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Portrait by Shaikh Ahmed - the only painter for whom the Founder sat.

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I(Doc Kazi of flickr) got this rare photgraph from Mahmood on Victoria Road. He could not identify the others although the man in the center resembles the Nawab of Jungadh. The British General resembles Gen Musa. Mr Jinnah seems in a relaxed mood ostensibly with his favorite 'Craven A' cigarettes, which finally got him.

Nice! Thanks for sharing!

Who is the women?

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Somewhat younger Mr Jinnah & Fatima with friends in Bombay.

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In 1916, an even younger Mr Jinnah(in front center, mustachioed) presiding over a joint meeting of Indian National Congress and All India Muslim League.

WOW! In the last pic, he is hardly even recognizable.

I had no idea he smoked.

Smiling Jinnahs in Karachi!!

Mayor of Karachi Hakim M Ahsan hosts a reception for the Governor General of Pakistan on Aug 25, 1947.
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I have a whole photo album on quaid's life...and i am not planning to upload it not anytime soon

thanks however for the pics

Wow great pics Pakia.

Yaar doenumber...stop being a doenumber and upload the damn pics.

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When a common Pakistani would donate Rupee 1 or 5 for memorial of Quaid-e-Azam, that we all admire today in the city of Karachi.

Receipts of their donations:
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Looks like the picture was taken off a bank note :ohno:

Apart from Urdu, it looks like Bengali is also written on it. Its probably from before 1971 then.

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They both look very tall. What were their heights?

Apart from Urdu, it looks like Bengali is also written on it. Its probably from before 1971 then.

Was I right here Pakia?

Sorry dude, don't know their exact heights but their stature is much much taller in my views than their actual heights. Neither sure of time frame of the fundraising for memorial but the Bengali was on Pak bills until 1974, when Pakistan officially recognized Bangladesh at Islamic conference in Lahore.

Quaid-e-Millut Liaquat Ali Khan Shaheed, with some gori girl scouts, probably late 40s or v. early 50s.
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Nice ones Pakia!

Quaid visiting PAF base Risalpur, 1947.

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I have been inside his plane which is now in PAF Museum and sat in his seat in the cabin :yes:

Quaid with Ayub Khan (the guy with the 'stache)

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WOW Brighty those Risalpur ones seem really rare ones.

What an amazing and giving leader Quaid was. If our leaders had only a fraction of his qualities & character, Pakistan would have been another developed country by now.

But they are too busy filling their tummies & pockets.

Quaid visiting PAF base Risalpur, 1947.

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I have been inside his plane which is now in PAF Museum and sat in his seat in the cabin :yes:
Lucky! They don't even let you touch it.

Nice pics Brighty! :cheers:

Sorry dude, don't know their exact heights but their stature is much much taller in my views than their actual heights. Neither sure of time frame of the fundraising for memorial but the Bengali was on Pak bills until 1974, when Pakistan officially recognized Bangladesh at Islamic conference in Lahore.

You know what's funny?! China recognised B'desh two years after us in 1976. :lol:

Can you spot Allama Iqbal here?
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23 Jan 1930 Allam Iqbal dedication for Rehmat Ali, THE EARLIEST PROPONENT OF PAKISTAN.

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Rehmat Ali's dedication. Jan 28, 1930; FIRST TIME EVER DOCUMENTED USE OF WORD "PAKISTAN"

Allama's the guy with the stache, next to the OG Jinnah :yes:

Yes, I was able to spot Allama Iqbal. GOOD WORK PAKIA! :yes:

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Thanks guys. I wish we & our leaders never forget why & by whom this country was created, so that we stay on track in materializing the dream - that is Pakistan.

Here is a website that has tons of pics of Fatima Jinnah from her youth to campaigning for national elections in 60s; but they can't be shared, so click if you wanna have a peek in Fatima's Pakistan up until 1960s.

http://nazariapak.info/madr-e-millat/

I found him too! :colgate:

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Nawabzada Nasurallah escorts Mr. Jinnah

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Under construction, in 1966

Much more classy then any politician of the subcontinent, even asia.

TraPPed,

Yes. It is Bengali. It reads Panch Taka. You are right, this is from the time before the disintegration of Pakistan.

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Under construction, in 1966

Excellent pic. :applause:

TraPPed,

Yes. It is Bengali. It reads Panch Taka. You are right, this is from the time before the disintegration of Pakistan.

There was REALLY no need to add "disintegration" there! It was a blessing in disguise for us! I've read about Bangladesh breaking away from us to be an economic blessing, as we lost our most economically backward part, with that the border issue between B'Desh and India went away and all of that allowed us to concentrate our efforts onto West Pakistan. Though politically it was a loss. But thats about it! In the end it worked out for the best for both of the nations. Most of the world, particularly Indians, think that Pakistanis must be really hurt or sad over losing BD, but the average Pakistani on the street doesn't even care! Heck, during 1971 we didn't even mind losing some land in East Pakistan, if we could gain some land in Indian Occupied Kashmir! I didn't even care! It was after, when I arrived in London that I found out that Indians and Bengalis were so worked up over 1971.

And like another fellow member said here, some time ago:

"Anyway, Bangladesh breaking away from us was one of the best things to happen to Pakistan. If they were still with us I cannot imagine the situation Pakistan would have been in. The way it is now is better for us, and for Bengalis."

Btw, how can you read Bengali?? Aren't you Maharashtrian??

^^ Stop replying to the troll. Just ignore him.

^^ Stop replying to the troll. Just ignore him.

Okay sir! *Salutes*

Btw, how can you read Bengali?? Aren't you Maharashtrian??

Yes, you guessed right. I am a Maharashtrian.

The scripts of all Indian languages, except of course Urdu, are descendants of Brahmi script.

An outsider can think there is a HUGE difference in say for example Devnagari being followed by Hindi, Bihari, Bhili, Bhojpuri, Garhwali, Kumaoni, Santhali, Newari, Tharu, Nepali, Punjabi, Marathi, Gujarati, and Kashmiri and eastern scripts followed by Bengali, Assamese, Bishnupriya Manipuri and Oriya. However, if one takes an interest, it is not difficult to follow what is written if you know one of the above languages.

Besides, most Indians are at least bi lingual and many know more than 2 languages.

Dravidian languages such as Tamil, Malyalam, Kannada, Telugu, Tulu etc appear even more difficult but my sister who has settled in Bangalore tells me that there are similarities even there and she has picked up Kannada very well.

For that matter, Thai, Balinese, Javanese, Burmese, Khmer, Sinhala are also the descendants of Brahmi.

Hope you have now understood why despite being a Maharashtrian I could read Bengali. Not only that I can read and understand many other Indian languages.

^^ Stop replying to the troll. Just ignore him.

:)

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Quaid’s Will
Little Gibbs Rd, Malabar Hill, Bombay - 30th May 1939

(1) This is my last Will and Testament, all other Wills and Testaments of mine stand cancelled.

(2) I appoint my sister, Fatima Jinnah, Mr. Mohammedalli Chaiwalla, Solicitor Bombay and Nawabzada Liaquat Ali Khan of Delhi as my executrix and executors and also my trustees.

(3) All shares, stocks & securities and current accounts now standing in the name of my sister, Fatima Jinnah, are her absolute property. I have given them all to her by way of gifts during my lifetime and I confirm the same, and she can dispose of them in any manner she pleases as her absolute property.

(4) I now hereby bequeath to her my house and all that land with appurtenances, outhouses etc. situated at Mount Pleasant Road, Malabar Hill, Bombay, including all the furniture, plates, silver and Motor Cars in its entirety as it stands absolutely and she can dispose of it in any manner she pleases by will, deed or otherwise.

(5) I also direct my executors to pay her during her lifetime Rs. 2,000/- two thousands per month (for her maintenance and other requirements for her).

(6) I direct my executors to pay per month Rs. 100/- one hundred to my sister, Rehmat Cassimbhoy Jamal, during her lifetime.

(7) I direct my executors to pay per month Rs. 100/- one hundred to my sister, Mariam Abdenbhoy Peerbhoy, during her lifetime.

(8) I direct my executors to pay per month Rs. 100/- one hundred to my sister, Shereen, during her lifetime.

(9) I direct my executors to pay per month Rs. 100/- one hundred to my brother, Ahmed, during his lifetime.

(10) I direct my executors to set apart Rs. 200,000/- (two lacs) or (two hundred thousands) which will at 6% bring an income of Rs. 1,000/- one thousand and pay the income thereof whatever it be to my daughter every month for her life or during her lifetime and after her death the corpus of two lacs so set apart to be divided equally between her children, males or females, in default of issue the corpus to fall into my residuary estate.

(11) I direct my executors to pay the following by way of gifts to the institutions mentioned.

(A) I bequeath Rs. 25,000/- Twenty-five thousand to the Anjumane-Islam School, Bombay, situated at Hornby Road opposite Boribunder Station and next to the The Times of India Buildings
(B) I bequeath Rs. 50,000/- Fifty thousands to the University of Bombay
(C) I bequeath Rs. 25,000/- Twenty-five thousands to the Arabic College, Delhi

(12) Subject to above, all my residuary estate including the corpus that may fall after the lapse of life interests or otherwise to be divided into three parts – and I bequeath One part to Aligarh University, One Part to Islamia College, Peshawar, and One Part to Sindh Madressa of Karachi.

Sd/M. A. Jinnah
Attesting witnesses

Codicil to the Will
Legislative Assembly

This is my codicil to the Will. I have an account with the National Bank of India, Bombay as account No.2 and also I hold (500) Five hundred shares of the Reserve Bank of India now in the possession of the Bank standing in my name but purchased out of the money in account No.2.

This account & all moneys deposited & invested were given to me personally by various public spirited donors to use them & do what I liked with them for the uplift of the Musulmans. I therefore have full & absolute power to dispose them in such manner as I may consider proper.

I, now having full power of disposition, bequeath the same to my executors and they are to use the capital &/or interest thereof in any way they may consider proper relating to this account.

Besides this amount and 500 shares of the Reserve Bank I have other accounts of mine own in the National Bank of India & also in the Imperial Bank at Bombay & New Delhi but those & all other accounts abroad with any Bank or Banks are my own absolute property and will be governed by will of mine that I have already made.

Sd/- M. A. Jinnah
25/10/40

http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/quaid_will.htm

The Founder with Field Marshal Auchinleck

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coming soon..

Mohommed Ali Jinnah with Mahatma Gandhi

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Mohommed Ali Jinnah with Mahatma Gandhi

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Mohammed Ali Jinnah with Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru

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With sister Fatima on the left and daughter Dina who later married Neville Wadia and settled in Mumbai. Her son Nusli Wadia is the CMD of Bombay Dyeing, most important name in textile history of India. Nusli's wife Maureen Wadia is the glamorous woman behind Glandrags Manhunt and Megamodel pageant. Their son Ness is currently courting bollywood actor Preity Zinta.

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quaid with his car is an awesome picture! Quaid is looking so damn stylish even back then!

The Founder relaxing in Kashmir
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The Founder addresses the Muslim League Session, Allahabad 1942
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The Founder and Miss Jinnah with Fatima Begum, Geti Ara and Begum G A Khan
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Nawab Mamdot welcoming the Founder, Lahore March 1940
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STATEMENT ON THE ASSASSINATION OF MR. M. K. GANDHI
30 January 1948

"I am shocked to learn of the most dastardly attack on the life of Mr. Gandhi, resulting in his death. There can be no controversy in the face of death.

Whatever our political differences, he was one of the greatest men produced by the Hindu community, and a leader who commanded their universal confidence and respect.

I wish to express my deep sorrow, and sincerely sympathize with the great Hindu community and his family in their bereavement at this momentous, historical and critical juncture so soon after the birth of freedom and freedom for Hindustan and Pakistan.

The loss to the Dominion of India is irreparable, and it will be very difficult to fill the vacuum created by the passing away of such a great man at this moment."

March 11, 1948
http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/relations_india.htm

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Quotes from the quaid

Islamic Principles

Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught democracy. Islam has taught equality, justice, and fair play for everybody. What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom and the highest standard of integrity on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody.
25 January 1948

Provincialism: A disease and a curse

I want the Muslims to be rid of the disease of provincialism. A nation can never make progress unless it marches in one formation. We are all Pakistanis and citizens of the State and we should serve, sacrifice, and die for the State so that we may make it the most glorious and sovereign State in the world.
25 January 1948

Look after the poor

It is your sacred duty to look after the poor and help them. I would never have gone through the toil and suffering for the last ten years had I not felt our sacred duty towards them. We must secure for them better living conditions. It should not be our policy to make the rich richer, but that does not mean that we want to uproot things. We can quite consistently give all their due share.
27 Ramzan 1366

Political issues

"Grave political issues cannot be settled by the cult of the knife, or by gangsterism. There are parties and parties, but the difference between them cannot be resolved by attacks on Party leaders. Nor can political views be altered by the threats of violence."
Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH): The great teacher and law-giver

Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great law-giver. He was a great statesman and he was a great sovereign.
25 January 1948

Principles of Islam: A code of life for Muslims

Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct even in politics and economics and the like. It is based on the highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play, and justice for all … In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of equality, liberty, and fraternity are the fundamental principles of Islam.
25 January 1946

Unity, Faith and Discipline

I have no doubt that with unity, faith and discipline we will compare with any nation of the world. You must make up your minds now. We must sink individualism and petty jealousies and make up our minds to serve the people with honesty and faithfulness. We are passing through a period of fear, danger, and menace. We must have faith, unity and discipline.
28 December 1947

http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/quotes.htm

There was REALLY no need to add "disintegration" there! It was a blessing in disguise for us! I've read about Bangladesh breaking away from us to be an economic blessing, as we lost our most economically backward part, with that the border issue between B'Desh and India went away and all of that allowed us to concentrate our efforts onto West Pakistan. Though politically it was a loss. But thats about it! In the end it worked out for the best for both of the nations. Most of the world, particularly Indians, think that Pakistanis must be really hurt or sad over losing BD, but the average Pakistani on the street doesn't even care! Heck, during 1971 we didn't even mind losing some land in East Pakistan, if we could gain some land in Indian Occupied Kashmir! I didn't even care! It was after, when I arrived in London that I found out that Indians and Bengalis were so worked up over 1971.

And like another fellow member said here, some time ago:

"Anyway, Bangladesh breaking away from us was one of the best things to happen to Pakistan. If they were still with us I cannot imagine the situation Pakistan would have been in. The way it is now is better for us, and for Bengalis."

Btw, how can you read Bengali?? Aren't you Maharashtrian??
well the kashmiris i know off dont want to be a part of pakistan either, they want their very own azad kashmir

it was more like west pakistan ripping off east pakistan, back then jute was very much in demand all over the world and bengal was renowned for it most of the money earned of exporting jute was spent on west pakistan rather then the east, what do you think funded the pakistani government to start a new city called islamabad then? when the state of pakistan was established it was broke, many muslims who migrated from india donated a lot to the then state exchequer.

well the kashmiris i know off dont want to be a part of pakistan either, they want their very own azad kashmir

I've read, heard and seen that. But that is only restricted to the Mirpuris, who weren't and aren't happy that Mangla Dam was built and that it displaced them! Its just that they are the ones who've mostly immigrated as a reuslt. Maybe thats why you think like that! Othewise the sentiment around Muzzafarabad and everywhere else is extremely different! I'll show you the link if I can find it! Anyways I didn't mean to any of my previous post to be offensive, its just that, that troll "Jaan-Pune" ignited me.

it was more like west pakistan ripping off east pakistan, back then jute was very much in demand all over the world and bengal was renowned for it most of the money earned of exporting jute was spent on west pakistan rather then the east, what do you think funded the pakistani government to start a new city called islamabad then? when the state of pakistan was established it was broke, many muslims who migrated from india donated a lot to the then state exchequer.

I've heard many Bengalis come up with that. But export earnings from a product like just jute, a low value high bulk good, isn't all that makes up an economy!

I've read, heard and seen that. But that is only restricted to the Mirpuris, who weren't and aren't happy that Mangla Dam was built and that it displaced them! Its just that they are the ones who've mostly immigrated as a reuslt. Maybe thats why you think like that! Othewise the sentiment around Muzzafarabad and everywhere else is extremely different! I'll show you the link if I can find it! Anyways I didn't mean to any of my previous post to be offensive, its just that, that troll "Jaan-Pune" ignited me.



I've heard many Bengalis come up with that. But export earnings from a product like just jute, a low value high bulk good, isn't all that makes up an economy!
i didnt find it offensive i just found that you were miss informed... well the kashmiris i knew off were from the UK and i dont know if they were manipuris or not

jute was called the golden fiber for a reason and until the advent of plastic bags they were every where

i didnt find it offensive i just found that you were miss informed... well the kashmiris i knew off were from the UK and i dont know if they were manipuris or not

jute was called the golden fiber for a reason and until the advent of plastic bags they were every where
i was always curious about jinnahs origins, was he a gujrati or a sindhi

i didnt find it offensive i just found that you were miss informed... well the kashmiris i knew off were from the UK and i dont know if they were manipuris or not

jute was called the golden fiber for a reason and until the advent of plastic bags they were every where

Ok, good that you're cool about it! In the UK, 75% of the Pakistanis are from Mirpur, so that answers your other question.

i was always curious about jinnahs origins, was he a gujrati or a sindhi

He was of Gujrati descent, from Kathiawar region of Gujrat. His father Poonja Jinnah had come to Karachi after his marriage for business opportunity in the coastal city.

But long ago his ancestors had come from Multan. (According to the book "Jinnah" written in 1954 by Bolitho, after 2 years of research in India/ Pakistan and interviews with loads of folks from his life, including his great aunts & nanny).

He was of Gujrati descent, from Kathiawar region of Gujrat. His father Poonja Jinnah had come to Karachi after his marriage for business opportunity in the coastal city.

But long ago his ancestors had come from Multan. (According to the book "Jinnah" written in 1954 by Bolitho, after 2 years of research in India/ Pakistan and interviews with loads of folks from his life, including his great aunts & nanny).
oh okay... btw the wadias i.e the owners of bombay dying are his direct descendants right?

oh okay... btw the wadias i.e the owners of bombay dying are his direct descendants right?

Yes, they're children of his only child, daughter Dina who married a Parsi Wadia, against his wish, in Mumbai.

Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy

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Hussain Shaheed Suhrawardy was born in 1893 at Midnapore in Bengal. He received his early education in Calcutta and Madras and after graduating in science, he went to England where he received his M.A.B.C.L. and Bar-at-Law degrees with distinction. On his return to India he began his regular legal practice and soon entered politics. He was associated with nearly all the labour organizations of Calcutta, and was Secretary of the Calcutta Khilafat Committee during the Khilafat Movement. For some time he was Deputy Mayor of Calcutta. From 1921 to 1947 he remained a Member of the Bengal Assembly. He became a Provincial, Minister several times and held variously the portfolios of commence, labour, finance, health, rural welfare and food. In 1946 he became the Chief Minister of Bengal and for a long time he was the main organizer of the Muslim League's election campaign in Bengal. He moved the historic Resolution at the League Legislators' Convention in 1946, amending the Resolution of 1940.

In 1949, Mr. Suhrawardy was elected a Member of the first Constituent Assembly of Pakistan. On December 20, 1954 he became Pakistan's Minister of Law and in 1955 he became the Leader of the Opposition to a coalition Government. On December 12, 1956 he became the fifth Prime Minister of Pakistan. He formed a Cabinet in association with the Republican Party , but resigned after a crisis eleven months later and became again the Leader of the Opposition.

After the promulgation of Martial law in October 1958, he struggled hard for the restoration of democracy in the country and he formed the National Democratic Front in 1962. He died on December 5, 1963 at Bierut and was buried at Dhaka.

Father of Pakistan's first woman ambassador to Morocco.
Shaista Ikrammullah
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Cool Shades. Smiling Jinnah in Bombay, Baby!!

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HERO NO 1.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah's address to the American public on the need for Pakistan (don't mind the US anthem)

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Mohammad Ali Jinnah's address to the American public on the need for Pakistan (don't mind the US anthem)

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AWESOME speech by Jinnah! :applause:

He's right! The names should have been Hindustan & Pakistan. Not India and Pakistan. India didn't even exist as a fully fledged nation prior to the British Raj, when Britian fully integrated all of the regions of the subcontinent into one. Prior to that there were just numerous kingdoms fighting each other. Sure in the past during the times of Ashoka & the Mughals, large swathes of the subcontinent were unified. But not all of it, like under the British. As both Ashoka & the MUghals failed to conquer the extreme Southern, Eastern & Northern parts of the subcontinent. Links to the Maps showing the greatest extent of the Empires of Ashoka (http://members.porchlight.ca/blackdog/empire.gif) & The Mughals (http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman/westernstudies/first/1718/2000/eblock/mughal/image18.gif)

NOTE: If anyone wants to quote my post then please quote all of it, not just chopped up bits of it, as if you cut short what I am writing here then it would sound ambiguous.

Yes, they're children of his only child, daughter Dina who married a Parsi Wadia, against his wish, in Mumbai.

:eek2:
i sersly didnt know dat..
wadias are billionares.. or probably even biger..
ness n preity currently own PUNJABS KINGS 11..-->IPL

now i know d reason of ness wadia's cool n royal looks:)

must say that d respected leader Jinnah was very stylish in those times..
bade logon k faces pe ye royal looks hoti hain..
hai na!!

Thanks for pics.

Who is related to him now?? any pics of family related to him today?

AWESOME speech by Jinnah! :applause:

He's right! The names should have been Hindustan & Pakistan. Not India and Pakistan. India didn't even exist as a fully fledged nation prior to the British Raj, when Britian fully integrated all of the regions of the subcontinent into one. Prior to that there were just numerous kingdoms fighting each other. Sure in the past during the times of Ashoka & the Mughals, large swathes of the subcontinent were unified. But not all of it, like under the British. As both Ashoka & the MUghals failed to conquer the extreme Southern, Eastern & Northern parts of the subcontinent. Links to the Maps showing the greatest extent of the Empires of Ashoka (http://members.porchlight.ca/blackdog/empire.gif) & The Mughals (http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman/westernstudies/first/1718/2000/eblock/mughal/image18.gif)

NOTE: If anyone wants to quote my post then please quote all of it, not just chopped up bits of it, as if you cut short what I am writing here then it would sound ambiguous.

Trappy, this post has made up for all of your previous posts. This is an excellent post and i've tried to explain this to so many people, usually indians and they fail to see the logic in this. Calling Hindustan "India" has been one of the most idiotic things of the british and the indians themselves.

“India” is as much a country as the Equator: Winston Churchill

They are basically stealing our history and they make Pakistan look like that we have no history of our own, and that we were a part of india. But india didn't even exist and if anything, its india which was part of Pakistan, under the Mughal rule since they moved from Pakistan into india. We have been separate most of our history, for example under the Mongol rule. We have our own ancestors, the Indus Valley Civilization and they try to claim them as well.

Just pisses me off how all this is even ignored by Pakistanis themselves and then the indians deny to accept it even when its crystal clear.

Lets not get this thread locked, please.

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Founder with Liaquat Ali, Z A Suleri, Altaf Hussain and K H Khurshid, outside a London mosque in 1946.

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Nawab Bahadur Yar Jang with a not so happy Founder

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The Founder, with "his right hand" Liaquat Ali, arriving for the adoption of the Pakistan Resolution,1940.

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Reading about the felicitations on his birthday in the 'Dawn'. The headline says '71 today' The main headline is a statement given by Sindh Prime Minister Khuhro and reads 'Khuhro doesn't want Hindus to leave Sind'. This was Khuhro's main point of difference with Liaquat Ali Khan.

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Mr Jinnah with the Muslim League Women's Guard (year not known)

AWESOME pics! Keep 'em coming Pakia! :)

AWESOME speech by Jinnah! :applause:

He's right! The names should have been Hindustan & Pakistan. Not India and Pakistan.

Trapped, fact alert!

India is not the ONLY name India has. The other well known name is Bharat. In fact, given the fact that India is a mosaic of several languages, cultures, geographies and religions India has many more OFFICIAL names. To name a few – Bharat (Hindi, Oriya) Bharat Ganarajya (Sanskrit, Assamese, Bengali, Kannada), Bharat Ganatantra (Punjabi), Bharatiya Prajasattak (Gujarati, Marathi), Bharatham (Malyalam), Indiyak-Kudiyarasu (Tamil), Jumhūrīyat-e Bhārat (Urdu) and most important (from the point of view of your post) Hindustan is also one of the OFFICIAL names of India – in Kashmiri. In English (also an official language) it is called as Republic of India.


India didn't even exist as a fully fledged nation prior to the British Raj, when Britian fully integrated all of the regions of the subcontinent into one. Prior to that there were just numerous kingdoms fighting each other. Sure in the past during the times of Ashoka & the Mughals, large swathes of the subcontinent were unified. But not all of it, like under the British. As both Ashoka & the MUghals failed to conquer the extreme Southern, Eastern & Northern parts of the subcontinent.

You are proclaiming a partial truth. Please look at the wider picture.

In 1492 Columbus set out to discover a sea route to which place? India, right? And when was this? More than 100 years before British even entered India. It was not any particular kingdom of India that Columbus was targetting. It was INDIA ITSELF!

Alexander – wanted to conquer India and not some XYZ kingdom.

The poilitical picture in pre-british India was that parts of India were ruled by different Kings called the Maharaja, and would report to the strongest of all who would be the ruler of entire Indian subcontinent. It was the initial stage of today’s federal structure where the states report to a strong centre. You mentioned only 2 of the several such Centres – Ashoka and Mughals. You may like to know more about other such strong central powers such as Ikshvaku, Shibi, Bindusara, Adinath, Shanthinath, Bharatha (After whom India was named as Bharat).

British too were one of such Central Powers in the series to whom other reported. Marathas were the last such central power before the British took over.

The Mauryan Empire of India spread even beyond Baluchistan in present Pakistan and Kandhahar in present Afghanistan!

So, one can not use a stencil and say that the present borders do not match and hence India never existed before the British. By that logic none of the countries existed. Borders are ever changing. I am sure you understand that.

Trappy, this post has made up for all of your previous posts. This is an excellent post and i've tried to explain this to so many people, usually indians and they fail to see the logic in this. Calling Hindustan "India" has been one of the most idiotic things of the british and the indians themselves.

Waleed, as I have already explained, India is just ONE of the many OFFICIAL names of the republic. Hindustan is very much an official name too.

They are basically stealing our history and they make Pakistan look like that we have no history of our own, and that we were a part of india.

History is not something that can be stolen, Waleed. History will always exist – unchanged; whether you agree with it or not. I am in fact happy that some of us realize that present day India takes greater pride in Pakistan’s history than the Pakistanis. There is nothing wrong in that. It is the combined history of the people of the subcontinent. Please think for a while, due to politics of religion and rising extremism and partition Pakistan developed an allergy to anything related to the common past to which people of India still relate because most of its past is Hindu and Buddhist. The lies that we were under the cloak of darkness before the advent of Islam has done no good to the country. Forgetting the past and idiotic arabization has left the people confused. Neither here not there!

Look at Egypt. Look how proud they are of the past and how they strive to preserve it. Even today if you watch their tourism advertisement on NatGeo they call it a land of the Sun. The ancient Egypt worshiped Sun God. Look at Indonesia they are not allergic to their Hindu/ Buddhist past. Garuda, the mythical bird which is the mount (vahanam) of Lord Vishnu has important place in Hinduism and Buddhism. Indonesia uses Garuda as its national symbol. Their national airline is named after Garuda.

It is Pakistanis if anyone have failed to take pride in their own past and hence it appears as if Indians have ‘stolen’ the history. When anything beyond Islam is denied and rejected what is the use of crying that everyone thinks Pakistan has no history.

These are just few examples.

What does Pakistan not have? Indus valley civilization flourished here. It has a glorious history of Hinduism and Buddhism. All this could have been preserved and NOT destroyed or ignored. Egypt earns huge foreign currency just through tourism. The Hindus from the subcontinent and rich Indians from abroad, rich Buddhists from Japan would be more than happy to combine tourism and pilgrimage and visit Pakistan if things were conducive Pakistan would have earned hell lot of foreign currency.

But india didn't even exist and if anything, its india which was part of Pakistan, under the Mughal rule since they moved from Pakistan into india.

I have already refuted this in my response to trapped.

Guys let us not get dangerously passionate. Let us not just look at the right wing versions of the histories from either side of the border.

There are several neutral and factual versions.

Our past is our past. Let us accept it and go ahead rather than reinventing it. Even if we try, it is not going to change.

Let us stop this discussion here and continue with the picture thread.

Quaid-e-Azam with Dr Annie Bezant

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Thanks for pics.

Who is related to him now?? any pics of family related to him today?



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Ness Wadia

born on May 30, 1970 is an Indian businessman and is the son of Nusli Wadia and Maureen Wadia and the heir to Bombay Dyeing. He is the great grandson of Mohammad Ali Jinnah(Nusli's grandfather married Jinnah's daughter Dina).

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Ness Wadia

born on May 30, 1970 is an Indian businessman and is the son of Nusli Wadia and Maureen Wadia and the heir to Bombay Dyeing. He is the great grandson of Mohammad Ali Jinnah(Nusli's grandfather married Jinnah's daughter Dina).

Thanks :)

Is he living in India??

Is that Preity Zinta from bollywood??

yes she is.
But i think he is the grand son of Mr Jinnah not great grand son. can anyone explain plz?

MEH! I don't have time for stupid debates and neither do I want to ruin this great thread by Pakia in which he has put a lot of effort! I also do know that present day India, has been called by many different names aswell! But I would like to make somethings very clear. 1st of all, its a complete India-centric view to think that Pakistanis don't take pride in our history, such as the Indus Valley Civilization. As it is very much taught in Pakistani schools and Pakistanis do recognise it as part of their history.

Secondly, another biased, factless comment made by Indians is that Pakistan has developed an "allergy", as they say, towards the Pre Muslim history of the subcontinent due to Islam and freedom/Independence of Pakistan. Again, Pakistan and Pakistanis do recognise our Buddhist and Hindu past! For example, Taxila is a very famous place in Pakistan. We are taught in schools about or Pre Muslim past aswell!

Another Indian misconception from your post towards Waleed, is the talk of " arabization". Which is again complete bollocks! Don't now why some of you guys think like that about us, that we are "wannabe Arabs". One Indian troll here, even called Pakistan "Arabistan" and he rightfully got banned for that! And what is this "cloak of darkness". We don't think like that! We are only grateful that its freed us from the Hindu Caste System and prevented us from eating some animale like the pig. By "stolen" Waleed means that no one recognises the Indus Valley Civilization as Pakistan's as Indians say that it is theirs and not Pakistan's. Thats what he means! It has nothing to with "present day India taking greater pride than Pakistan". As we takes as much pride in it as the Indians.

No need to give examples of Egypt and Indonesia as we do recognise our Pre Islamic past! So Pakistan hasn't failed, its just that the authorities that haven't given enough attention in preserving Pakistan past (Both Islamis and Pre Islamic). Heck they don't even pay attention to the natural beauty of Pakistan, which could have and still can earn us huge foreign currency. But the authorities are still sleeping, till this day! Btw the Japanese. Koreans and other East Asians, do visit historical Buddhist sites in Pakistan. Such as those in Taxila. There are one of the few tourists that we get.

History is not something that can be stolen, Waleed. History will always exist – unchanged; whether you agree with it or not. I am in fact happy that some of us realize that present day India takes greater pride in Pakistan’s history than the Pakistanis. There is nothing wrong in that. It is the combined history of the people of the subcontinent. Please think for a while, due to politics of religion and rising extremism and partition Pakistan developed an allergy to anything related to the common past to which people of India still relate because most of its past is Hindu and Buddhist. The lies that we were under the cloak of darkness before the advent of Islam has done no good to the country. Forgetting the past and idiotic arabization has left the people confused. Neither here not there!

Look at Egypt. Look how proud they are of the past and how they strive to preserve it. Even today if you watch their tourism advertisement on NatGeo they call it a land of the Sun. The ancient Egypt worshiped Sun God. Look at Indonesia they are not allergic to their Hindu/ Buddhist past. Garuda, the mythical bird which is the mount (vahanam) of Lord Vishnu has important place in Hinduism and Buddhism. Indonesia uses Garuda as its national symbol. Their national airline is named after Garuda.

It is Pakistanis if anyone have failed to take pride in their own past and hence it appears as if Indians have ‘stolen’ the history. When anything beyond Islam is denied and rejected what is the use of crying that everyone thinks Pakistan has no history.

These are just few examples.

What does Pakistan not have? Indus valley civilization flourished here. It has a glorious history of Hinduism and Buddhism. All this could have been preserved and NOT destroyed or ignored. Egypt earns huge foreign currency just through tourism. The Hindus from the subcontinent and rich Indians from abroad, rich Buddhists from Japan would be more than happy to combine tourism and pilgrimage and visit Pakistan if things were conducive Pakistan would have earned hell lot of foreign currency.

^^ Yes they've been dating for some time.

Thank you Kanishka for this very nice photo of Dr. Besant, one of Jinnah's favourite person, other than Gokhale.
Quaid-e-Azam with Dr Annie Bezant

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You are welcome Pakia. Here is another rare picture of him with daughter Dina, Liaquat Ali Khan and his wife.

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Thanks :)

Is he living in India??

Is that Preity Zinta from bollywood??

yeah, his family has been in india for generations.
He is part of the Wadia group which runs a bunch of businesses from Clothing to a private airline company

yes she is.
But i think he is the grand son of Mr Jinnah not great grand son. can anyone explain plz?

Ness and Jeh Wadia, Sons of Nusli Wadia and Maureen Wadia

Nusli Wadia son of Neville and Dina Wadia

Dina (ofcourse) daughter of Mohammad Ali Jinnah

The main women leader - Personalities:
Mohtarama Fatima Jinnah
Begum Shaista Ikramullah
Begum Tasadduque Hussain
Lady Abdullah Haroon
Begum Viqar-un-Nisa
Begum Shah Nawaz
Ra’ana Liaquat Ali Khan

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Lady Sughra Hidayatullah [1904-1985]

Real name Sughra Begum, Lady Ghulam Hussain Hidayatullah was born in 1904 in a feudal family of Shikarpur. Though brought up in strict purdah, Begum Sughra was given a liberal education, especially in religion, Urdu, Sindhi and elementary English. In 1922, she married Sir Ghulam Hussain Hidayatullah, a prominent political leader of Sindh.
Lady Ghulam Hussain Hidayatullah aimed her life towards helping her husband in his social and political activities. She began her political life in 1938 as a worker of the All India Muslim League. The same year she was taken on by the Women's Central Subcommittee. It was due to her efforts that various branches of the Provincial Subcommittee were formed in different districts of Sindh such as Hyderabad, Nawabshah and Dadu. In December 1943, on the occasion of the annual session of the All India Muslim League held at Karachi, she was elected President of the Women's Reception Committee.

In February 1947, Sughra Begum came to Lahore and took part in political processions, urging the Government to accept the League's demands. She led a grand procession that marched towards the Civil Secretariat at the end of February 1947. This was the same day that Sughra Begum hoisted the Muslim League flag on the secretariat building. During the Partition riots, she actively worked with the refugees to relieve their sufferings. Her services in the Women's Refugee Relief Committee were commendable.

really a unique pic/info ...good work Pakia :applause:

Quaid & Ruttie: A Love Story...

Did you know Quaid acted in Shakespear theater in London in his youth and was to do Romeo role when he had to come to Karachi for his mom's death.

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As a young magistrate in Bombay.
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Ruttie: Nightingale of 1920's Bombay

Mr Jinnah's only regret...
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When Mr Jinnah left for Pakistan in August 1947, he first visited a Bombay cemetry where he was leaving behind a part of himself. As usual he was alone. The grave was that of Ruttie Jinnah, his wife who died in 1929 of an overdose of painkillers to fight cancer

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Indian Actress who played Ruttie in movie "Jinnah".

Their only kid, Dania Wadia.
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Resemblence to her father is quite striking- with UN secretary general in 1976 & Pakistan permanent representative Iqbal Akhund

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In 2004 at Quaid's mizar

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I must say, nice pics Mr. rao! :applause: :yes:

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I especially like this one! I bet he could kick my ass at pool and snooker!! :yes:

He is real Hero.

The Man of The centuary.

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You might lose the whole of Pakistan Mountbatten yelled at Jinnah
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The Khaksars present a salute to the Founder

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The Founder with Muslim ladies in Hyderabad Deccan, 1938

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The Founder with Maulana Zafar Ali Khan in Badshahi Mosque

Pakia, is it okay if I post some vids about Jinnah in this thread??? Here's a teaser. I'll post more, if its allowed.

Pakistan mourns her Great Leader

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Great historic pictures in this thread :applause:

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Pakia, is it okay if I post some vids about Jinnah in this thread??? Here's a teaser. I'll post more, if its allowed.

Pakistan mourns her Great Leader

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Thats very nice of you Trappy to ask but ofcourse, these threads for all us to post, as long as they're relevant posts. I am still naive about posting video but will add if I find some good one.

Mods can always change the title to pics/videos, if they like.

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The Founder listening to Law Minister Joginder Nath Mandal
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The Founder listening to Law Minister Joginder Nath Mandal
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The Founder in a jolly mood
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The British bow out of Pakistan
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Nehru, Mountbatten and Jinnah
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Shared Aversion for Gandhi - Subhas Chandra Bose with Mr Jinnah
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Mr Jinnah in his study
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The Founder with the Khan of Kalat
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The Founder with A K Fazlul Haq
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Mrs Naidu picture card to Mr Jinnah
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Mr Jinnah's first and last birthday in Pakistan - 25 December 1947
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Quotes from the quaid

Islamic Principles

Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught democracy. Islam has taught equality, justice, and fair play for everybody. What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom and the highest standard of integrity on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody.
25 January 1948

Provincialism: A disease and a curse

I want the Muslims to be rid of the disease of provincialism. A nation can never make progress unless it marches in one formation. We are all Pakistanis and citizens of the State and we should serve, sacrifice, and die for the State so that we may make it the most glorious and sovereign State in the world.
25 January 1948

Look after the poor

It is your sacred duty to look after the poor and help them. I would never have gone through the toil and suffering for the last ten years had I not felt our sacred duty towards them. We must secure for them better living conditions. It should not be our policy to make the rich richer, but that does not mean that we want to uproot things. We can quite consistently give all their due share.
27 Ramzan 1366

Political issues

"Grave political issues cannot be settled by the cult of the knife, or by gangsterism. There are parties and parties, but the difference between them cannot be resolved by attacks on Party leaders. Nor can political views be altered by the threats of violence."
Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH): The great teacher and law-giver

Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great law-giver. He was a great statesman and he was a great sovereign.
25 January 1948

Principles of Islam: A code of life for Muslims

Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct even in politics and economics and the like. It is based on the highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play, and justice for all … In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of equality, liberty, and fraternity are the fundamental principles of Islam.
25 January 1946

I've just realised that we've failed to follow any of this.

Unity, Faith and Discipline

I have no doubt that with unity, faith and discipline we will compare with any nation of the world. You must make up your minds now. We must sink individualism and petty jealousies and make up our minds to serve the people with honesty and faithfulness. We are passing through a period of fear, danger, and menace. We must have faith, unity and discipline.
28 December 1947

http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/quotes.htm

See! Its "Unity, Faith, Discipline". Not "Faith, Unity, Discipline" like is said by some nowadays! :no: :down:

Nehru, Mountbatten and Jinnah
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Whose the guy at the back then?

The Founder in a jolly mood
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This pic made me smile! :)

You might lose the whole of Pakistan Mountbatten yelled at Jinnah
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Why did Mountbatten say that?

Thats very nice of you Trappy to ask but ofcourse, these threads for all us to post, as long as they're relevant posts. I am still naive about posting video but will add if I find some good one.

Mods can always change the title to pics/videos, if they like.

Thanks Pakia! :cheers: I'll get cracking with the vids then.

Btw, you created this thread way back in Nov 07. But its only boomed from the starting of May of this year. So many new posts since then! :eek:

M Ali Jinnah spokesmen of 94 million Muslims

M Ali Jinnah, spokesmen of 94 million Muslims, talks with the Indian delegates in 1946 at 10 Downing Street.

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^^ I love the old way of speaking in these vids! :lovethem:

Karachi ready as Pakistan's center of Government - 1947

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Amazing man loved to see that.

Pakistan Assembly Holds Opening Session - August 1947

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Look at how happy and cheerful the people are in this video! :)

Quaid-e-Azam Welcomed in Pakistan - 1947

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I love this thread! :banana:

Built in 1948.
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The mosque has a hexagonal shape with two minarets towering over 80 feet in height east and west of the structure. There are two doorways north and south with 5 steps in unbroken parallelism which can take one around the mosque.
The interior of the mosque measures 40 feet, with an exterior gallery on either side measuring 10 feet wide . The roof is flat measuring 18 feet above the floor and the main dome which is 40 feet in diameter and 24 feet high stands in the center surrounded by glass louvers adorned by the moon and star.
The dome is supported by 2 huge arches extending from both sides of the interior and are decorated beautifully in Arabic calligraphy. Four half domes form a cluster around the main dome with a door to each allowing for viewers to enter.
The design for this building was conceived by the council of the TML(Trinidad Muslim League) :cheers:in 1948 and the architects were Messrs. Mence and Moore A/L .R.I.B.A. , chartered architects of London and Trinidad and the foundation stone was laid by the then ambassador of Pakistan to the United States on November 10 1948.
The mosque also has the distinction of appearing twice on government issued stamps in 1960 and again in 1992. These stamps has highlighted the mosque as a landmark of Trinidad and Tobago to the entire world.

It was made because of their love and respect for him as the muslims there only make up 6% of the population.

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An interesting historically important article in today's Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/dmag/dmag10.htm

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Quaid immense emphasis on education esp. for girls is obvious in this photo. Even in his grave health condition, he visited the girl school.

He was also a strong proponent of guality education. Even if it meant sending muslim girls to christian schools or co-education ones. As he proved that with his own sister Fatima, whom he took personally to a catholic school daily in Bombay when muslims there were outraged about it.

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1358/1373111610_6dd6301b00_b.jpg
Quaid immense emphasis on education esp. for girls is obvious in this photo. Even in his grave health condition, he visited the girl school.

He was also a strong proponent of guality education. Even if it meant sending muslim girls to christian schools or co-education ones. As he proved that with his own sister Fatima, whom he took personally to a catholic school daily in Bombay when muslims there were outraged about it.

We might not be following the 1st paragraph of his vision. But we certainly are following the 2nd paragraph! Anyone who can afford to send their kids to a Catholic school, does so in Pakistan. My mum also went to a Catholic School/Colege. Catholic schools are held in a very high regard in Pakistan. So Jinnah must be proud! :okay:

TraPPed,

Yes. It is Bengali. It reads Panch Taka. You are right, this is from the time before the disintegration of Pakistan.

so much for devangiri scripts... it actually reads Aak Taka meaning One Taka.
If you don't mind me asking why do you guys care to mention Hussain Shaheed and her daughter on this thread?

^^ Sorry for not knowing, but who are Hussain Shaheed and her daughter????

Built in 1948.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1079/1401153705_8092f75b12_o.jpg

The mosque has a hexagonal shape with two minarets towering over 80 feet in height east and west of the structure. There are two doorways north and south with 5 steps in unbroken parallelism which can take one around the mosque.
The interior of the mosque measures 40 feet, with an exterior gallery on either side measuring 10 feet wide . The roof is flat measuring 18 feet above the floor and the main dome which is 40 feet in diameter and 24 feet high stands in the center surrounded by glass louvers adorned by the moon and star.
The dome is supported by 2 huge arches extending from both sides of the interior and are decorated beautifully in Arabic calligraphy. Four half domes form a cluster around the main dome with a door to each allowing for viewers to enter.
The design for this building was conceived by the council of the TML(Trinidad Muslim League) :cheers:in 1948 and the architects were Messrs. Mence and Moore A/L .R.I.B.A. , chartered architects of London and Trinidad and the foundation stone was laid by the then ambassador of Pakistan to the United States on November 10 1948.
The mosque also has the distinction of appearing twice on government issued stamps in 1960 and again in 1992. These stamps has highlighted the mosque as a landmark of Trinidad and Tobago to the entire world.

It was made because of their love and respect for him as the muslims there only make up 6% of the population.

That's amazing

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3036/2667244948_f188012f88.jpg?v=0

^^ Who was I.I.Chundrigar??? Karachi's main road is even named after him. Who is/was he????

^^ Who was I.I.Chundrigar??? Karachi's main road is even named after him. Who is/was he????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Ismail_Chundrigar

I just noticed the captioning on the pic is wrong. Liaqat Ali Khan is the one 3rd from left, but they have 8 names in the caption.

:doh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_Ismail_Chundrigar

He doesn't seem THAT important to name Karachi's, heck, all of Pakistan's most important road after him!

Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar, Gosh, thats a LONG name!! :ohno:

:doh:

Actually I am wrong. I thought Nawabzada Khan was a separate name from Liaqat Ali Khan :lol:

He doesn't seem THAT important to name Karachi's, heck, all of Pakistan's most important road after him!

They didn't name it after it became important. It just became important by chance.

He doesn't seem THAT important to name Karachi's, heck, all of Pakistan's most important road after him!

Ibrahim Ismail Chundrigar, Gosh, thats a LONG name!! :ohno:

Thats why you call it "I.I. Chundrigar"

I.I holds a special class of its own :yes:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1101/1080398810_935d5f5dcf_o.jpg

Considering how he chain-smoked, his teeth don't look bad, esp. at his age. Thankfully he hated pan.

An article on Jinnah, thought of sharing it:

Leaving an indelible mark on history
By Abigail Mathias, Staff Writer
Published: May 19, 2008, 15:05


Mohammad Ali Jinnah deserves credit for carving out a homeland for his countrymen. A tribute to the founding father.

One of the most revered historical figures in Pakistan is its founding father, Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Known to his people as Quaid-i-Azam or 'the great leader,' Mohammad Ali Jinnah was a man of indomitable will and dauntless courage. He was considered the unifying force that brought Indian Muslims under the banner of the Muslim League, later carving out a homeland for them despite stiff opposition from the Hindu Congress and the then British government.

Born on December 25, 1876, in Karachi to a wealthy merchant, Mohammad Ali Jinnah received his early education at the Sindh Madrasa and later in Karachi at the Mission School. He travelled to England for further studies in 1892 at the age of 16. In 1896 Jinnah qualified for the bar, which he was called to in 1897. Jinnah began his political career in 1906 when he attended the Calcutta session of the All India National Congress in the capacity of private secretary to the president of the Congress.

Time magazine said of him: "His greatest delight was to confound the opposing lawyer by confidential asides and to outwit the presiding judge in repartee."

By 1940 the Muslim League adopted the 'Lahore Resolution' calling for separate autonomous states in majority-Muslim areas of northeastern and eastern India. In 1946 violence between Hindus and Muslims broke out after Jinnah called for demonstrations opposing an interim Indian government in which Muslim power would be compromised. Against the rising tide of ethnic unrest, Jinnah demanded the partition of India. Britain, eager to make a clean break with India, finally relented and Pakistan was born.

Unfortunately Jinnah did not live to see his new country take shape. He died of tuberculosis just 13 months after the formation of Pakistan on September 11, 1948.

As his biographer Stanley Wolpert wrote, "Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three."

Quaid-i-Azam's Tomb is elevated on a 54-square-metre platform and is built in impressive white marble with curved Moorish arches and copper grills. The cool inner sanctum has a four-tiered crystal chandelier given by the People's Republic of China. The cenotaph is framed with silver railings and is usually lined with people who come from far and wide to pay their respects and watch the impressive changing of the guard that takes place three times a day. The mausoleum is a prominent Karachi landmark.

http://archive.gulfnews.com/gnfocus/pakistan/sub_story/10027365.html

well the kashmiris i know off dont want to be a part of pakistan either, they want their very own azad kashmir

I've read, heard and seen that. But that is only restricted to the Mirpuris, who weren't and aren't happy that Mangla Dam was built and that it displaced them! Its just that they are the ones who've mostly immigrated as a reuslt. Maybe thats why you think like that! Othewise the sentiment around Muzzafarabad and everywhere else is extremely different! I'll show you the link if I can find it!

i didnt find it offensive i just found that you were miss informed... well the kashmiris i knew off were from the UK and i dont know if they were manipuris or not

Ok, good that you're cool about it! In the UK, 75% of the Pakistanis are from Mirpur, so that answers your other question.

Okay, dopekhor, I finally found the link that I was talking about. With Mirpuri's having a different view of Pakistan than other Kashmiris.

So, for example, while the Sudhans still remember with pride that it was they who were amongst the first to take up arms in rebellion against the Maharaja's forces, aiming, as they still do, to bring the whole of Kashmir into a wider Pakistan – their slogan is "Kashmir Pakistan banega" (Kashmir will be Pakistani), the perspective which most Mirpuris adopt these issues is very different. Paradoxically enough, the Mirpuris tend – even though they differ little in cultural terms from the Potohari population on the far side of the river Jhelum in Pakistan proper – to be enthusiastic supporters of a Kashmiri entity which would be entirely independent of both India and Pakistan – their slogan is "Kashmir Azad banega" (Kashmir will be Independent). Yet as we shall see in a moment, they have adopted this position not so much as a result of a clear and positive commitment to the cultural distinctiveness of the Kashmir region as a whole, but rather as a consequence of their strong sense of disillusionment about the way in which Pakistan has treated them. It is worth exploring in some detail just how this has come about.

LINK: http://www.arts.manchester.ac.uk/casas/papers/pdfpapers/kashmir.pdf

Please read all of it, its just 9 pages long, but its very informative and very interesting. I'm not just saying this to dope, but to everyone! :yes:

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2001

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1976

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1962

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1997

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o gr8 thread....... Ma Dad gave me a gift long tym ago, Dawn newspaper dated 15/08/1947.
I cn gt sum pics n post here

o gr8 thread....... Ma Dad gave me a gift long tym ago, Dawn newspaper dated 15/08/1947.
I cn gt sum pics n post here

Naikee aur pooch pooch? :)

Naikee aur pooch pooch? :)

Don't copy Qaiser! :ohno:

An article on Jinnah from 60 Years of Asian Heroes, by the TIME Magazine.

Mohammed Ali Jinnah
Pakistan, the nation the Quaid-i-Azam founded, needs him and his values more than ever


My earliest memory of Mohammed Ali Jinnah, Pakistan's Quaid-i-Azam, or Great Leader, is from my childhood. The electricity had gone because of load shedding, and I was doing my homework despite my grandmother's insistence that this was bad for my eyes. My textbook was part of the curriculum assigned to all primary-school students in Pakistan, and it described Jinnah as a young boy, himself reading a book by candlelight at his home in Karachi, a hundred years earlier. I had heard of Jinnah before, of course; his name was ubiquitous in Pakistan, a country otherwise unsure of its heroes. But it was the small miracle contained in the notion that he—a character in a book—and I—a reader in real life—were doing precisely the same thing that struck me most, and has stayed with me ever since.

In Pakistan, Jinnah is venerated because his struggles on behalf of the Muslims of India resulted in the establishment of the country. But Jinnah's true claim to greatness as an Asian leader is more universal: he sought to protect the rights of minorities through constitutional law.

Jinnah was a secular, Westernized, British-trained barrister; himself a Muslim, he married a Parsi, spoke mainly in English and wore European clothes. In 1920, he left Mahatma Gandhi's Indian National Congress, of which he had been a member for two decades, not because of his own faith but because he believed Gandhi's use of Hindu symbolism would encourage religious zealotry in politics. As Asia emerged from colonization, among the most vexing problems facing the continent's nascent nation states was that of their large minority populations. Jinnah's preferred solution was a legal one: constitutional measures ranging from electoral safeguards to guaranteed representation in state institutions. It was only when his attempts to achieve these measures failed that he began to campaign for a separate state for the Muslims of the subcontinent.

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Apr. 22, 1946
Table of Contents
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Six decades later, Pakistan has drifted far from Jinnah's vision of a secular democracy. President Pervez Musharraf, who invokes Jinnah's values in speeches, has little patience for democracy. The religious opposition parties reject as un-Pakistani the concept of secularism. And the inhabitants of smaller provinces like Baluchistan find themselves lacking the protection for minorities that Jinnah made his life's mission. If one believes in the rule of law, mistrusts religious zealotry and opposes tyrannies constructed in the name of majorities, one should find it easy to see oneself in Jinnah and to empathize with his struggle. Much of Asia could learn from his example, none more so than those of us who belong to the state he founded.

http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/nb_jinnah.html

Don't copy Qaiser! :ohno:

Dude! Its for a good cause! It is our history!

^^ I know.

...asking Latin language requirement to be waived for his admission.

His eloquence in expressing his thoughts is obvious even at that tender age :cheers:
http://www.nazariapak.info/quaid/q-gallery/misc/big/111.jpg

...asking Latin language requirement to be waived for his admission.

His eloquence in expressing his thoughts is obvious even at that tender age :cheers:
http://www.nazariapak.info/quaid/q-gallery/misc/big/111.jpg

Amazing! Look at his beautiful handwriting! :shocked:


I can never write a letter like that, with such eloquence! :(

...asking Latin language requirement to be waived for his admission.

His eloquence in expressing his thoughts is obvious even at that tender age :cheers:

Amazing! Look at his beautiful handwriting! :shocked:


I can never write a letter like that, with such eloquence! :(

Man! You guys are such bum lickers!! :ohno: He isn't GOD!

Man! You guys are such bum lickers!! :ohno: He isn't GOD!

Shutup you firangi! Had it not been for Jinnah, you probably would have been living in some village in India right now you stupid moron! :sly:


"bumlickers"! >(



Kids these days! :wallbash:

CALM DOWN! My point is, had some other 16 year old written such a letter, you guys wouldn't be drooling all over it!

EDIT: Calling me a "kid", when I'm only a couple of years younger than you?????

EDIT no. 2: And I won't be "living in some village in India right now" as my background is Urban, even prior to Partition, from both sides of my family.

CALM DOWN! My point is, had some other 16 year old written such a letter, you guys wouldn't be drooling all over it!

The handwriting would be beautiful and the wording would be eloquent regardless of the identity of the author.

But we are amused by this espescially do to the fact that it is written by a person whom we admire and hold in high esteem, a person whom we can relate to and know intimately through all the texts we have read about him.

So there!

Inty is partially right but since it comes from a great leader, I believe its significant indication about the formation of that man.

Also its a great testament to Sir Syed's earlier assertion that muslims of British India should not run away from English but embrace it, so as to be able to advance their causes. Unfortunately even today in many parts of the muslim world, kids are either denied or not given the chance to broaden their minds thru education.

Inty, why can't you refrain from foul language and use alternate words to express your disgust? I know you didn't mean to diss this thread.

Inty is partially right but since it comes from a great leader, I believe its significant indication about the formation of that man.

Inty, why can't you refrain from foul language and use alternate words to express your disgust? I know you didn't mean to diss this thread.

Yes, you are right. And actually I did try to use alternative words. I went from "ass lickers" to "bum lickers" as it doesn't sound as bad! :laugh:

Also its a great testament to Sir Syed's earlier assertion that muslims of British India should not run away from English but embrace it, so as to be able to advance their causes. Unfortunately even today in many parts of the muslim world, kids are either denied or not given the chance to broaden their minds thru education.

Actually, this comment of yours holds a lot more true for Pakistan, than for the rest of the Muslim world. Pakistan is behind most of the Muslim world in social advancement.

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AAMEEN

Hey, gem of a thread Pakia!

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I hope these pics have not been posted before.

The Founder presiding over a medical relief committee meeting - 26 March 1948

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The Founder in a pensive mood

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The Founder addresses the representatives of scheduled castes in Dhaka

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The Founder with his sister on his birthday - 25 December 1947

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The Founder addressing an Afghan diplomat - 3 December 1947

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The Founder addresses the Judges and Advocates of the Sindh Chief Court - 25 January 1948

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Other pics here, please someone take the time to post them here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pimu/

http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/images/086.jpg

Quotes from the quaid

Islamic Principles

Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught democracy. Islam has taught equality, justice, and fair play for everybody. What reason is there for anyone to fear democracy, equality, freedom and the highest standard of integrity on the basis of fair play and justice for everybody.
25 January 1948

Provincialism: A disease and a curse

I want the Muslims to be rid of the disease of provincialism. A nation can never make progress unless it marches in one formation. We are all Pakistanis and citizens of the State and we should serve, sacrifice, and die for the State so that we may make it the most glorious and sovereign State in the world.
25 January 1948

Look after the poor

It is your sacred duty to look after the poor and help them. I would never have gone through the toil and suffering for the last ten years had I not felt our sacred duty towards them. We must secure for them better living conditions. It should not be our policy to make the rich richer, but that does not mean that we want to uproot things. We can quite consistently give all their due share.
27 Ramzan 1366

Political issues

"Grave political issues cannot be settled by the cult of the knife, or by gangsterism. There are parties and parties, but the difference between them cannot be resolved by attacks on Party leaders. Nor can political views be altered by the threats of violence."
Mohammad Ali Jinnah

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH): The great teacher and law-giver

Prophet was a great teacher. He was a great law-giver. He was a great statesman and he was a great sovereign.
25 January 1948

Principles of Islam: A code of life for Muslims

Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions, and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct even in politics and economics and the like. It is based on the highest principles of honour, integrity, fair play, and justice for all … In Islam there is no difference between man and man. The qualities of equality, liberty, and fraternity are the fundamental principles of Islam.
25 January 1946

Unity, Faith and Discipline

I have no doubt that with unity, faith and discipline we will compare with any nation of the world. You must make up your minds now. We must sink individualism and petty jealousies and make up our minds to serve the people with honesty and faithfulness. We are passing through a period of fear, danger, and menace. We must have faith, unity and discipline.
28 December 1947

http://www.majinnah.com.pk/html_files/quotes.htm

Amazing!

Too bad nobody wants live by Islamic principles anymore.

ok as promised...... im posting pics ba on youtube as a preview, I'll upload high res pics here later.....

DAWN NEWSPAPER
15/8/1947

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Allama Iqbal arriving for the 1930 session at Allahabad, the first time that a demand for a separate homeland for Muslims was raised.

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Muslim League women leaders released from Lahore jail, year ?

Allama Iqbal

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Few days belated birthday to a great leader. May he rest in peace!!

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With Baldev Singh, Jawaharlal Nehru in London, Dec 6, 1946
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Later that month..

Is that a pin-hole camera?

http://www.nazariapak.info/iqbal/gallery/portraits/big/Iqbal_3.jpg

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http://www.nazariapak.info/iqbal/gallery/portraits/big/Iqbal_1.jpg
The original pic that inspired many.

Awesome pics.

Awesome Pictures, Graet job

Amazing! Look at his beautiful handwriting! :shocked:


I can never write a letter like that, with such eloquence! :(

Great Leader, Great handwriting

^^ Please put your comments in just one post, you don't have to post one after another, and you can edit your original post as well.

woow nice pic i have never seen that clear pics of him before

thanks Pakia

Thanks ^^ I had never seen them before too. Here are few more of him & his family, from Nazariapak website.

http://www.nazariapak.info/iqbal/gallery/misc/big/fatherallama.jpg
His father, Sheikh Noor Muhammad
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His mother, Imam Bibi
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His teacher, Syed Mir Hussain

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With his son, Javaid Iqbal

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Young Javaid Iqbal

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Dr Javaid Iqbal at a memorial stone in honor of his dad in Turkey

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Dr Iqbal at Qurtaba mosque in Spain

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With Lady Simone

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Dr Javaid Iqbal saying Fatiha at his father's grave

Few days belated birthday to a great leader. May he rest in peace!!

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With Baldev Singh, Jawaharlal Nehru in London, Dec 6, 1946
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Later that month..

Godfather! :master:

http://basetta.pupazzo.org/site_media/postings/godfather.jpg

^^Don :master:

@pakia where is Dr Javaid Iqbal in this pic
http://www.nazariapak.info/iqbal/gallery/misc/big/Iqbal_15.jpg

Lord Mountbatten and Aga Khan, 1924

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British sea commander and statesman Lord Louis Mountbatten (1900-1979) and Aga Khan III (Aga Sultan Sir Mohammed Shah) (1877-1957), Imam of the Ismaili sect of Muslims and owner of several Derby race horse winners at the opening of the Wembley Exhibition, 1924.


Gandhi Meets The Aga Khan III in London, 1931

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Mr Gandhi Meets The Aga Khan, At The Ritz Hotel, London, 1931. Information from photo: Gandhi; Mohandas Karamchand, known as Mahatma: (1869-1948) Indian leader, born in Porbandar, Kathiawar. He studied law in London, & in 1893 he have up a Bombay legal practice worth £5000 a year to live on £1 a week in South Africa, where he spent 21 years opposing discriminatory legislation against Indians. In 1914 he returnerd to India. While supporting the British in WW1, he took an increasing interest in the Home Rule movement (swaraj), over which he soon obtained a personal dominance, becoming master of the congress organization. His civil disobedience campaign of 1920 involved violent disorders. From 1922 to 1924 he was in jail for conspiracy & in 1930 he led a 200 mile march to the sea to collect salt in symbolic defiance of the government monopoly


Delegates with Aga Khan at Conference

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11/24/1930-London, England- General view of India Conference in session shows, at extreme left, Moslem Ruler the Aga Khan.In center background is the Marajah of Patiala, noted Indian Prince.On right (behind inkstand) is Premiere Ramsay MacDonald, to the left of him are Lord Sankey and J.H. Thomas, government delegates, and Sir Samuel Hoare of the Conservative Party. To the right of the Premiere are Wedgwood Benn and Arthur Henderson.


Weigh-In for Aga Khan III

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At a stadium in Bombay, crowds witness Aga Khan III (1877-1957), the religious leader of the Ismaili Muslims, weighed against diamonds, to celebrate his Diamond Jubilee and to raise funds for the sect. India, 1946.

^^Don :master:

@pakia where is Dr Javaid Iqbal in this pic
http://www.nazariapak.info/iqbal/gallery/misc/big/Iqbal_15.jpg

The shorter grey-haired chap, of two grey-haired ones in the pic. But not the cute midget in the middle!

See him in above pics in Turkey too.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4967/jinnahandgandhijq3.jpg

'Mahatma Gandhi and Jinnah in a heated conversation. A well-known photograph recently attributed to Kulwant Roy.'

They're both like, "duuudee come on!" :laugh:

great pictures and good reminder of the sacrifice and contributions our great leaders made to make Pakistan, i wish we had some like these today as they are most needed.

Godfather! :master:

http://basetta.pupazzo.org/site_media/postings/godfather.jpg

who's the guy whose hand is bein kissed???

who's the guy whose hand is bein kissed???


YOU HAVENT SEEN THE GODFATHER! >(


The guy whose hand is being kissed is "Don Vito Corleone AKA the Godfather", behind him is his elder son Santino Corleone AKA Sonny" and the guy kissing his hand is the mortician who came to him at the beginning of the movie during his daughters wedding with a request.




if memory serves me right..........

YOU HAVENT SEEN THE GODFATHER! >(


The guy whose hand is being kissed is "Don Vito Corleone AKA the Godfather", behind him is his elder son Santino Corleone AKA Sonny" and the guy kissing his hand is the mortician who came to him at the beginning of the movie during his daughters wedding with a request.




if memory serves me right..........

Bang on the money.

Love the thread.

FYI Javaid Iqbal is not in that pic at all. Believe me, I know him. His son Muneeb is is in the pic, lookin slick in the shades in the background. Also "the cute midget" is a former Chief Justice of Pakistan. Try to show some respect. :ohno:

YOU HAVENT SEEN THE GODFATHER! >(


The guy whose hand is being kissed is "Don Vito Corleone AKA the Godfather", behind him is his elder son Santino Corleone AKA Sonny" and the guy kissing his hand is the mortician who came to him at the beginning of the movie during his daughters wedding with a request.




if memory serves me right..........

hmm... movie??? which one?? Godfather??? is it related to our independence?? i mean i havent seen this scene before..

O man...Godfather is a hollywood movie about crime and gangster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather

YOU HAVENT SEEN THE GODFATHER! >(


The guy whose hand is being kissed is "Don Vito Corleone AKA the Godfather", behind him is his elder son Santino Corleone AKA Sonny" and the guy kissing his hand is the mortician who came to him at the beginning of the movie during his daughters wedding with a request.




if memory serves me right..........

WOW!!! I just checked to confirm about the guy whose kissing Vito's hand and you're absolutely right!! You know what they say!!! Elephants Never Forget!!! :laugh:

WOW!!! I just checked to confirm about the guy whose kissing Vito's hand and you're absolutely right!! You know what they say!!! Elephants Never Forget!!! :laugh:



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DAMNYOU TO PICCADILLY CIRCUS IN AN OVERSIZED CAR IN MORNING TRAFFIC!

O man...Godfather is a hollywood movie about crime and gangster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather

ok......... must be a nice movie but why is it in THIS thead??? :dunno:

AGA KHAN III

Sultan Mahommed Shah, Aga Khan III, was the 48th Imam of the Shia Ismaili Muslims. He was one of the founders and the first president of the All-India Muslim League, and served as President of the League of Nations from 1937-38.

After his father's death, the Aga Khan III ascended the throne of Imamate at the age of 7 years, 9 months and 16 days on 6th Zilkada, 1302/August 17, 1885. The British empire awarded him the title of His Highness in 1886 in the time of Lord Reay, the then governor of Bombay. On that occasion, the Iranian king had sent him a sword and an ivory stick as presents.

In 1897, a terrible famine had badly shaken the Bombay Presidency, therefore, the Aga Khan III supplied food and seed, cattle and agricultural tools to the needy people, and in order to provide job opportunities, he started the construction of his Yarroda Palace at Poona. In Bombay, a large camp was pitched at Hasanabad, where thousands of people were daily fed at his expense; and to those who were ashamed openly to participate in this hospitality, the grain was provided to them privately for about six months. The famine was followed by the epidemic of bubonic plague and the superstitious people of India refused to be vaccinated against the disease. The Aga Khan III obtained the service of an eminent bacteriologist, Dr. Waldemar Mordecai Wolff Haffkine, the Director-in-Chief of the Government Plague Research Laboratory, Bombay. The Aga Khan was a crusader against meaningless supersitions and traditions, when soon after famine came plague, the people were in a panic and there was a hue and cry against inoculation with anti-plague serum. He therefore collected the people at his Khusaro Lodge, where the doctor was staying and addressed meetings explaining the benefits of inoculation. In front of this gathering he got himself inoculated, so as to dispel their superstitious fears, and strengthen their confidence in scientific methods of cure. This prompted others to follow and many lives were saved as a result. In the meantime, it had been proposed to give a public dinner to the Aga Khan III in Bombay in view of his outstanding services. When he had been informed of it, he wrote to the Secretary of the Reception Committee a letter, which showed his innermost feeling evoked by the distress of the poor people. He wrote: "I cannot accept any entertainment when thousands of people are dying of starvation. It is almost wicked to waste money on rich food when thousands of people are starving. I would urge that every rupee that could be spared should be given for the relief of sufferers by famine instead of wasting it on the entertainments."

In 1316/1898, the Aga Khan III set out from Bombay on his first journey to Europe, and visited France and Britain, where he had an audience with Queen Victoria at Windsor Palace. In the state banquet at Windsor Palace, he was sitting next to the Queen on her right side. No ruling prince from India who held great temporal power would have been treated with greater honour and respect like the Aga Khan. He was invested the honourable title of Knight Commander of the Indian Empire (K.C.I.E.). He also met the future king Edward VII. The "Saint Gazette" (London, dated July 22, 1898) published the following report to this effect:-

"Her Majesty Queen Victoria had held a Levy, which was attended by Consuls of all countries, and His Highness the Aga Khan was also invited at the occasion. When the Aga Khan went there, the Queen herself went to receive him at the door and welcomed him with great respects and made him sit on the Throne of their Pope. As soon as the Aga Khan sat on the Throne, the Queen said to all the Consuls, "What is the reason of your surprise, and what you all are thinking of?" The Consuls replied, "Upto now, many Indian Kings have come to Europe, but you have given more honours to Aga Khan, and even made him sit on the Throne of our Pope; what is the reason of this?" The Queen in reply said, "You are all wise, prudent and learned, and you know better than I the reason of this. In short, I must tell you that we have never seen our religious leader Jesus Christ, and without doubt, the Aga Khan is our same leader, and considering this, I have made him sit on our Pope's Throne." On hearing this, all Consuls were greatly surprised, and wired to their respective countries about the above fact. Consequently, the Rulers of France, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. sent telegrams to Aga Khan from all over, requesting him to give them honour of visiting their countries, which the Aga Khan accepted."

The Aga Khan III paid his first visit to East African countries in 1317/1899, where the Sultan of Zanzibar granted him the title of Brilliant Star of Zanzibar. On his second visit to Europe in 1900, the Aga Khan III held a meeting with Muzaffaruddin Shah Qajar (1313-1324/1896-1907) of Iran in Paris, who awarded him the title of Shamsul Hamayun or Star of Persia. He had also a meeting with Turkish Sultan Abdul Hamid II in Istanbul, who granted him the title of Star of Turkey. The German emperor Kaiser William II also awarded the title of First Class Prussian Order of the Royal Crown at Potsdam.
On January 22, 1901, the Queen Victoria expired, therefore, the Aga Khan III attended the funeral at London on February 2, 1901. He was the personal guest of emperor Edward VII at his coronation in August 2, 1902, who promoted the Aga Khan from the rank of Knight (K.C.I.E.) to that of Grand Commander of the Order of Indian Empire (G.C.I.E.). He returned to India in November, 1902. The viceroy of India, Lord Curzon appointed him to a seat of his Legislative Council of India.
He played important role in construction of Aligarh Muslim University. To make a concerted drive for the collection of funds,, he went on a collecting tour through India's main Muslim areas: `As a mendicant', he announced, `I am now going out to beg from house to house and from street to street for the children of Indian Muslims.' It was a triumphal tour. Wherever he went, people unharnessed the horses of his carriage and pulled it themselves for miles."

Qayyum A. Malick writes in "Prince Aga Khan" (Karachi, 1954, p. 64) that once the Aga Khan on his way to Bombay to collect funds for the university, the Aga Khan stopped his car at the office of a person, who was known to be his bitterest critic. The man stood up bewildered and asked, "Whom do you want Sir?" "I have come for your contribution to the Muslim university fund," said the Aga Khan. The man drew up a cheque for Rs. 5000/-. After pocketing the cheque, the Aga Khan took off his hat and said, "Now as a beggar, I beg from you something for the children of Islam. Put something in the bowl of this mendicant." The man wrote another cheque for Rs. 15000/- with moist eyes, and said, "Your Highness, now it is my turn to beg. I beg of you in the name of the most merciful God to forgive me for anything that I may have said against you. I never knew you were so great." The Aga Khan said, "Dont worry! It is my nature to forgive and forget in the cause of Islam and the Muslims."

At the end of the First World War in 1918, a Paris Peace Conference had been formulated by the Allies in 1919, being composed of four leading statesmen, viz. Loyed George representing Great Britain, M. Clemencean France, Signor Orlando Italy and President Wilson, the United States; and finally The League of Nations was founded in Geneva in January, 1920 and M.P. Hymans of Belgium was appointed the first President. The Aga Khan led the Indian delegates in Geneva, and attended the Disarmament Conference, where he delivered a stirring speech on February 19, 1932. He also attended the Third Disarmament Conference and made a speech on February 2, 1933. During the 15th session of the League of Nations, the Aga Khan also gave his speech to the assembly on September 27, 1934. He also addressed the League of Nations in Geneva during its 17th session on September 29, 1936. In sum, the Aga Khan's interest in international affairs in Geneva culminated in his election in the session of July, 1937 as the President of League of Nations in place of the former President, M.P. Van Zeeland of Belgium, and all the 49 member countries voted in a secret ballot were found to be in his favor.

The Aga Khan made his first presidential speech in the League of Nations on September 13, 1937 during its 18th session. Thus, Sir Samuel Hoare, the ex-Secretary of State of India was compelled to remark that, "The Aga Khan does not belong to one community or one country. He is a citizen of the world par excellence."

In 1949, the Aga Khan III was declared an Iranian citizen and was awarded the distinguished title of Hazratwala, i.e. His Royal Highness by His Imperial Majesty the Shahinshah of Iran. He also visited Pakistan for the first time after independence on February 2, 1950 and was awarded an honorary degree of LL.D. from the Dacca University in 1951. On March 3, 1951, the Syrian government invested him the title of Order of Ommayad. In 1951, the Aga Khan III paid his first visit to Iran to attend the marriage of the Iranian king with queen Sorayya. Arriving in Tehran, he looked up at the sky and the land-scape and exclaimed: "What a lovely and beautiful country I have. I had been cherishing for years the desire to visit my beloved native land." On February 11, 1951, one day before the wedding ceremony, His Majesty the King had awarded the Order of the Crown First Class to the Aga Khan. During his visit to Iran, he also went to see Mahallat. Thousands of people lined the roads for a glimpse of one whose ancestors had been the revered and benevolent rulers of the area.

The Aga Khan used to raise his voice in the defence of Islam, whenever it was under inroad. In October, 1951, the "London Times" made some unfair allegations against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. In a spirited reply to the "London Times" on October 22, 1951, he said that, "Islam was not only tolerant of other faiths but most respectful and indeed fully accepted the divine inspiration of all theistic faiths that came before Islam." He further said: "If there has been violent reaction against the West in some Muslim countries, the reason is to be found in the attitude and behaviour of the westerners, their ignorance and want of respect for the faith and culture of Islam, of which the reference to that faith in your leading article is a typical and usual example."

During his long Imamate period, the Aga Khan III devoted much of his time and resources in consolidating and organizing the Ismaili community, especially in India and East Africa. He was notably concerned with introducing the socio-economic reforms, transforming his followers into a modern, self-sufficient community with high standard of education and welfare. The development of a new communal organization thus, became one of the Aga Khan's major tasks.

In 1956, Queen Elizabeth of Britain conferred upon the Aga Khan the title of Grand Cross of the Saint Michael and Saint George (G.C.M.G.).

Sultan Muhammad Shah, the Aga Khan III, the 48th Imam of the Shia Ismaili Muslims died at his villa in Versoix, near Geneva on 12th Zilhaja, 1376/ July 11, 1957. His son Prince Aly Khan recalling the last days of his father, said: "Often he would ask me to play the gramophone records containing recitation of the Holy Koran. With the recitation of the Koran, I could see his lips move in silence, repeating the verse of the Koran." He was buried in a permanent mausoleum at Aswan, overlooking the Nile in Egypt. Labib Habachi writes in "Aswan" (Cairo, 1959, p. 76) that in 1947, the Aga Khan III visited Aswan, and decided to live some time each year in Aswan, choosing it as his last resting-place. The Begum Aga Khan, in her interview to "Al- Ahram" (Cairo, April 23, 1992) had however said that, "We had been coming in Aswan since 1935 when the place was not a touristic location. He (the Aga Khan III) used to say that Egypt was the flag of Islam, and he wanted to be buried there."

In accordance with his last will, his grandson, Karim was succeeded to the Imamate as the 49th Imam. A fitting tribute was paid to him by daily English "Dawn" of Pakistan on July 12, 1957 that, "With the passing away of the Aga Khan, we witness the end of an era." According to "New York Times" (July 12, 1957), "The Aga Khan III's death leaves our contemporary world just a little less colorful than it was."


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The Prince proceeding for a hunt from His birth place at Honey Moon Lodge in Karachi, Early 1921

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A rousing reception was accorded to His Royal Highness when He arrived in Delhi in 1928 to preside over the All-Parties Muslim Conference

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Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and Prince Aga Khan at the Round Table Conference in London, 1931

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Prince Sultan Mohammed Shah's wedding with Princess Andree Caron at Aix-les-Bains

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H.H Sultan Mohammed Shah during a visit to the state of Jamnagar in Kathiawar, February 1939

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H.HSultan Mohammed Shah on the occasion of His Golden Jubilee on January 19 1936 being weighed against gold at Hasnabad, Mazagaon, Bombay.

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Aga Khan III with Bahram, winner of the 1935 Derby, F. Fox , 1932

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Aga Khan III with Gandhi at the Ritz Hotel, London in 1931

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Prince Aly Khan and his bride, Mrs Loel Guiness, formerly the Hon. Joan Yarde-Buller, photographed after the civil ceremony, with the Aga Khan, the bride's mother and Begum Andree, 1936

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Aga Khan III and Begum Andree et Epsom im 1938

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With Lord Carnarvon at the Doncaster Sales in 1926

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Leaving the House of Lords with the Maharajah of Alwar (left) and Lieut-Col Stewart Patterson, Political A.D.C to the Secretary of State for Inda, afterthe inaugural session of the 1930 Round Table Conference

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Seth Shantidas Askaran, a leading Merchant of Bombay gave a garden party in honor of H.H Aga Khan. The picture shows Mowlana Hazar Imam with the Maharao of Cutch

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah is seen with a trowel laying the foundation stione of Sakina Jamia Mosque, East Africa.

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah on the occasion of coronaton of King george VI. The picture shows Mowlana Sultan Mohamed Shah with the Lord and Lady Furness.

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H.HSultan Mohamed Shah His Royal Highness the Prince Aga Khan was warmly received on His arrival at the Bardoly Station by Prominent Congress leaders. In the group photo are seen Sardar Valabhai Patel, Mr. Mahadeo Desai, H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah, Acharya Kriplani and others.

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Sultan Mohamed Shah as President of the League of nations.

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The Right Honorable His Highness The Aga Khan conversing with a delegate of The League

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His Highness The Aga Khan and Begum Aga Khan in Hopegarten in Berlin and were entertained by high officials of Germany

AGA KHAN III (Part Two)

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His Royal Highness presiding at a meeting in Bombay held to protest against teh treatment of Indians in Souuth Africa. The Quaid-iAzam and many other leaders attended the meeting

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Seen with Prince Aga Khan at a function in Karachi are, among others, the Iranian Ambassador and the High Commissioner of Ceylon, 1951

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The Syrian envoy in Pakistan is seen chatting with Prince Aga Khan. The Mir of Hunza is standing to the right of H.R.H., 1951

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Mowlana Sultan Mohammed Shah, tete-a-tete with the Egyptian Ambassador in Iran, 1951

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H.R.H. and Begum Aga Khan at a tea party at Hotel Metropole, Karachi, given in their honour by H.E. the Iranian Ambassador, Masoud Moazad, in January 23, 1952

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Governor-General Ghulam Mohammed (then Finance Minister of Pakistan) listens with rapt attention as Prince Aga Khan unfolds a knotty problem, 1947

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Prince Aga Khan at Paris with H.E. Habib I. Rahimtoola, then Pakistan's Ambassador at France

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Prince Aga Khan talking to Finance Minister Mohammad Ali on economic affairs

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Karachi pressmen flock Prince Aga Khan to hear His views on international affairs

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Prince Aga Khan condolences with Begum Liaquat Ali Khan the death of Quaid-i-Millat

Very nice article and pictures! :yes:


I didnt get this part though:

"Her Majesty Queen Victoria had held a Levy, which was attended by Consuls of all countries, and His Highness the Aga Khan was also invited at the occasion. When the Aga Khan went there, the Queen herself went to receive him at the door and welcomed him with great respects and made him sit on the Throne of their Pope. As soon as the Aga Khan sat on the Throne, the Queen said to all the Consuls, "What is the reason of your surprise, and what you all are thinking of?" The Consuls replied, "Upto now, many Indian Kings have come to Europe, but you have given more honours to Aga Khan, and even made him sit on the Throne of our Pope; what is the reason of this?" The Queen in reply said, "You are all wise, prudent and learned, and you know better than I the reason of this. In short, I must tell you that we have never seen our religious leader Jesus Christ, and without doubt, the Aga Khan is our same leader, and considering this, I have made him sit on our Pope's Throne." On hearing this, all Consuls were greatly surprised, and wired to their respective countries about the above fact. Consequently, the Rulers of France, Germany, Italy, Belgium etc. sent telegrams to Aga Khan from all over, requesting him to give them honour of visiting their countries, which the Aga Khan accepted."


Would you be so kind as to explain it to me?

Very nice article and pictures! :yes:


I didnt get this part though:




Would you be so kind as to explain it to me?

Ignore that part. I forgot to edit it from the main article.
Saint Gazette" (London, dated July 22, 1898) published it in their report.

Very nice article and pictures! :yes:


I didnt get this part though:




Would you be so kind as to explain it to me?

are u confused abt the jesus christ part?????? n the pope's throne part????

are u confused abt the jesus christ part?????? n the pope's throne part????

Yeah but nevermind. Rahim said it is irrelevant.

AGA KHAN III (Part Three)

Aga Khan on Arabic as National Language of Pakistan

Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan, the 48th Ismaili Imam and founder of Pakistan at a session of Motamer al-Alam-al-Islamiyya on February 9, 1951 in Karachi said:

“I can assure you that it is not with a light heart that I address you this evening. I fully realise that what I am going to say will make me most unpopular with important sections of the population. However, I would be a traitor to Islam if I let this opportunity pass without placing before the people of this powerful and populous Islamic nation the views which I consider my duty to place before the Muslims with as many of the arguments as I am capable of using in a short address.

I fear some of my arguments will mortally offend those who under totally different conditions gave so much of their life for the support of the cause which I think today has been passed by events far more important than any dreamt of in those days. I feel the responsibility greater than any I can think of to place my views and arguments before the Muslim population of Pakistan as a whole - each and every province - while what I consider a tragic and deadly step is not yet taken and not added to the constitution of this realm.

The language of a nation is not only the expression of its own voice but the mode of interpretation with all other human societies. Before it is too late, I, an old man, implore my brothers in Islam here not to finally decide for Urdu as the national language of Pakistan but to choose Arabic. Please hear my arguments.

If what was the other part of the former British Empire of India had made Urdu its national language, there would have been a great argument for Pakistan doing ditto. It could have been a linguistic and important point of contact with the vast Republic of the South. I am the last man on earth to desire to break any bridge of contact and understanding between Pakistan and its immense neighbour. Not only Urdu but even Hindustani has been replaced by Hindi throughout Bharat as the national language. The people of Bharat were perfectly justified to choose any language which the majority considered most appropriate and historically justified to be their national language. The majority there has the right to choose what was most suitable for them as the official language of the country.

Your choice in Pakistan of Urdu will in no way ameliorate or help your relations with your neighbour, nor will it help the Muslim minorities there in any conceivable way. Howsoever you may add Arabic and Persian words to Urdu there is no denying the fact that the syntax, the form, the fundamentals of the language are derived from Hindi and not from Arabic. Was Urdu the language of the Muslims of India at the time of their glory? During the long Pathan period, Urdu was never considered the language of the rulers.

Now we come to the Moghul Empire in the period of its glory. It was not the language of the educated. I defy anybody to produce a letter or any other form of writing by Emperors Aurangzeb, Shah Jehan, Jehangir, Akbar, Humayun or Babar in Urdu language. All that was spoken at the Court was Persian or occasional Turkish. I have read many of the writings of Aurangzeb and they are in beautiful Persian. Same is true if you go to the Taj Mahal and read what is written on the tombs of the Emperor and his famous consort. Persian was the court language and the language of the educated and even till the early 19th century in far Bengal, the Hindu intelligentsia wrote and used Persian and not Urdu. Up to the time of Macaulay, Persian was the language of Bengali upper classes irrespective of faith and of official documents and various Sadar Adalat. We must look historical facts in the face. Urdu became the language of Muslim India after the downfall. It is a language associated with the downfall. Its great poets are of the downfall period. The last and the greatest of them was lqbal, who with the inspiration of revival gave up Urdu poetry for Persian poetry. There was a meeting in Iqbal’s honour in London organised by men such as Prof. Nicholson. I was present at that meeting. Iqbal said that he went in for Persian poetry because it was associated with the greatness of the Islamic epoch and not with its misfortunes. Is it right that the language of the downfall period should become the national language of what we hope now is a phoenix-like national rising? All the great masters of Urdu belong to the period of greatest depression and defeat. It was then a legitimate attempt by the use of a language of Hindi derivation with Arabic and Persian words to find ways and means of better understanding with the then majority fellow countrymen.

Today that vast British dependency is partitioned and succeeded by two independent and great nations and the whole world hopes that both sides now accept partition as final. Is it a natural and national language of the present population of Pakistan? Is it the language of Bengal where the majority of Muslims live? Is it what you. hear in the streets of Dacca or Chittagong? Is it the language of the North West Frontier? Is it the language of Sind? Is it the language of the Punjab? Certainly after the fall of the Mughal Empire the Muslims and Hindus of certain areas found in it a common bond, but now today other forms of bridges must be found for mutual understanding. Who were the creators of Urdu? What are the origins of Urdu? Where did it come from? The camp followers, the vast Hindi-speaking population attached to the Imperial Court who adapted, as they went along, more Arabic and Persian words into the syntax. of their own language just as in later days the English words such as glass and cup became part of a new form of Urdu called Hindustani. Are you going to make the language of the Camp, or of the Court, the national language of your new-born realm? Every Muslim child of a certain economic standard learns the Quran in Arabic, whether he is from Dacca or Quetta. He learns Arabic to read the Quran.

Arabic is the language of Islam. The Qur’an is in Arabic. The Prophet’s hadith are in Arabic. The highest form of Islamic culture in Spain was in Arabic. Your children must learn Arabic to a certain extent always. The same is true of your West whether Sind, Baluchistan or the North. From the practical and worldly point of view, Arabic will give you, as a national language, immediate contact not only with the 40 million Arabic-speaking people of independent nations on your West, but the other 60 million more or less Arabic-speaking people who are not independent but who exist in Africa. Right up to the Atlantic, not only in North but as far South as Nigeria and the Gold Coast, Arabic is known to the upper classes of the population. In all the Sudans, on the Nile or under French rule, Arabic is the language right up to the borders of Portuguese West Africa. In East Africa, not only in Zanzibar but amongst the Muslim population of even countries as far apart as Madagascar and Portuguese East Africa, Arabic is known. If we turn to the Far East, Arabic has prospered throughout the region inhabited by 80 million Muslims of Indonesia, Malaya and Philippines. In Ceylon, Muslim children of the well-to-do classes get some knowledge of Arabic.

Is it not right and proper that this powerful Muslim State of Pakistan, with its central geographical position, its bridges between the nearly 100 million Muslims of the East and 100 million Muslims of the West - its position of the East from Philippines and the Great State of Indonesia and Malaya and Burma and then westward with the hundred millions in Africa, right up to the Atlantic, should make Arabic its national language and not isolate itself from all its neighbors and from the world of Islam with a language that was associated with the period of downfall of Muslim States.

And finally, whi1e Arabic, as a universal language of the Muslim world will unite, Urdu will divide and isolate. Gentlemen, brothers in Islam, people of Pakistan, people of every Province, I appeal to you, before you take the final and what I unfortunately must say, I consider, the fatal jump down the precipice, please discuss and let all and every one contribute their views. Take time and think over it. Once more I appeal for Islamic charity from those whom I may have offended and I appeal to all others to look to the facts in the face both historically and as they exist at present. I pray that the people of this country may be guided by Divine Wisdom before they decide.”

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H.R.H. and the Begum with Mr. Zahid Husain at the treasury vaults of the State Bank of Pakistan in 1951. Before them are displayed specimens of Pakistan notes and coins

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H.R.H. and the Begum at the mahzar of late Liaquat Ali Khan, *1951*

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His Royal Highness with Governor-General Ghulam Mohammad, *1952*

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The Begum in conversation with Khwaja Nazimuddin, then Prime Minister of Pakistan, at a tea party given by the Iranian Ambassador in honour of Prince Aga khan (extreme right, sitting) in Hotel Metropole, Karachi, on January 23, 1952

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Picture shows: Governor-General Ghulam Mohammad; Prince Aga Khan; Raja Ghazanfar Ali Khan; Mr. Tamizuddin Khan, Speaker, Pakistan Constituent Assembly; and Mr. Daudpota at the wedding ceremony of the daughter of Mr. Zahid Husain, Governor of the State Bank of Pakistan, *1952*

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Mowlana Sultan Mohammed Shah with the rulers of Kalat State and Hunza State, 1951

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On way to France after a visit to Pakistan, 1951

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Prince Aga Khan amidst joyful company at a dinner in Karachi 1951

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Exchanging with H.E. Mr. Mohan Sinha Mehta, Indian High Commissioner in Pakistan, and other diplomats, 1951

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Their Royal Highnesses inspecting the wedding presents made to the King of Iran, 1951

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Begum Liaquat Ali Khan, His Royal Highness, Begum Aga Khan and the late Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan at a function in Karachi, *1950*

Yeah but nevermind. Rahim said it is irrelevant.

As i said Saint Gazette" (London, dated July 22, 1898) published it in their report. Thats the only reference i have.

The relationship between the Aga Khan and British Royal family goes back to the time when Aga Khan-I migrated from Iran to India. The current Aga Khan IV also enjoys great respect and friendship with the Queen and her family. I think you will find many articles on Internet about it.

The only reason i wanted to avoid the Pope and Throne chapter was that it could lead the discussion towards Religious debate.

I hope you will find his debate on Arabic as Pakistan's national language interesting.

With all due respect to Mr. Aga Khan, I completely disagree with him for a plethora of reasons.


But anyways, interesting factoid!


Zahid Hussain was my Great Grandfather! :happy:

AGA KHAN III (Final Part)

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With Chaudhry Khaliquzzaman, now Governor of East Pakistan

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Replying to an address of welcome by the Karachi Municipal corporation in 1950

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Prince Aga Khan and the Begum with Miss Fatima Jinnah at her residence, *1950*

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Prince Aga Khan and the Begum with Princess Fatima Pehlavi (center), sister of the King of Iran, in Teheran, 1951

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H.R.H. delivering a speech at Institute of International Affairs, Karachi, *1951*

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Prince Aga Khan and the Shahinshah of Iran after the Shah's marriage with Queen Sorayya (extreme right), in Teheran, 1951

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Prince Aga Khan and the tomb of the late Shahinshah of Iran, *1954*

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The Prince in close conversation with the President of the Union of Burma on a visit to that country, 1951

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Reading the news of the day at their residence at Cannes, France, *1950*

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Mowlana Sultan Mohammed Shah at the League of Nations, 1937

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With Police Chief Mr. Adbullah, at Karachi, *1945*

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Their Royal Highnesses with H.E. and Begum Habib I. Rahimtoola

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Prime Minister Mohammad Ali paying tributes to Prince Aga Khan for His generous donation of valuable property to the MEhdi Convalescent Home on the occasion of the opening ceremony, September 14, 1953

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The Aga Khan and George Criticos outside the Ritz Hotel in London.

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H.H Sultan Mohammed Shah with Charles Chaplin at the 1953 Cannes Film Festival

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H.H Sultan Mohammed Shah and Mr. Oliver Lyttelton, the Colonial Secretary, chats with the Aga Khan during a party given to several hundred Ismaili Muslims, in London, July 1953

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah, His Royal Highness The Prince Aga Khan in conversation with her Imperial Majesty Queen Elizabeth. His Imperial Majesty King George VI is seen on the left.

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah with Khan Bahadur, D.D. Cooper, Bombay's Finance Minister, and Miss Cooper having a look at Karachi from S.S. Vasna when the ship touched the port. On the left side His Highness is seen alighting from the ship's ladder.

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H.H. The Aga Khan replying to the adress of Sind Muslims, Khalickdina Hall, Karachi

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah replying to the Adress of the muslim ladies Association

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah at a garden party given by Sir Abdul Halim Ghazanavi in the Council Chamber at Delhi.

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah with His Highness Sir Abdul Halim and Syed Amzad Ali, his Highness's Secretary.

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah with Princess Azam Jah of Hyderabad (Deccan)

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H.H Sultan Mohamed Shah with the Begum and Governor-General Ghulam Mohammad (then Finance Minister) and H.E. Dr. Sita Ram, Indaian High Commissioner

I agree with Aga Khan the 3rd. Atleast it would have gotten rid of some people's language jingoistics.

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KHAN-E-AZAM KHAN ABDUL QAYYUM KHAN in 1946-1947


How N.W.F.P. was won for Pakistan, thanks to his tireless efforts.

Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan worked for the cause of Muslim League day and night under the leadership of Quaid-e-Azam. After 3rd June 1947 plan, Viceroy of India Lord Mountbatten decided referendum in NWFP from 12-17 july, 1947 whether the people of NWFP wants to join the consituent assembly of Bharat or Pakistan.

The referendum was challenge for Muslim League because (i) Economics of NWFP was in the hands of Hindues (ii) The Government in NWFP was of Congress and Red Shirts headed by Doctor Khan Sahib brother of Khan Abdul Ghafar Khan. (iii)The religon effect on the people of NWFP was Diobund and all the Diobund religon scholars were with Cngress.

Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan was good spaker he and his wife worked hard. Khan Abdul Qayyum went to the remotest areas of the NWFP where it was difficulit to reach due to the poor ways of communication. The other leaders Sardar Abdul Nishater, Pir of Manaki Sharif, Pir of Zakori Sharif, Moulana Shabir Ahmed Usmani and Pir from Punjab also worked in favour of Pakistan.

Pundit Neharo leader of Congress came to NWFP for movement to include NWFP in Bharat but people received him with black flags in favour of Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan and Pakistan.

Pundit Neharo was not able to complete his mission and he went back without completion of his tour.

Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan disliked decision of Congress Party for Referendum and boycotted it under the advice of Governor NWFP Olaf Cario. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan proposed Azad Pakhtoonistan and demanded that people of NWFP should not be included in Pakistan.

Refrendum was held, the collective efforts of the workers of Muslim League under the leadership of Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan the entire NWFP voted in favour of Pakistan. Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnaha supervised this Refrendum.

Thus NWFP came province of Pakistan in 1947 and the threat of Congress lashed out. Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan was Fateh Refrendum.

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Kurh0v4A-Kg

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On the very auspicious day of August 14th, 1947
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Color photoshopped version of a pic of the Quaid

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from khankayani

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^^ Shaen-Shah e Pakistan :master:

^^ Shaen-Shah e Pakistan :master:

Quaid would have been very angry for being called that. He was very democratic in nature, so you watch it.

Hw would have never chosen to be seated on that hideous chair, must be a job of chumchas!! :bash:

^^ My bad!

Governer General-e-Pakistan! :lol:

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Emibai Jinnah

Mohammad Ali Jinnah married, at his mother’s urging, a distant cousin (Emibai from Paneli village) when he was 16 and Emibai was only 14. The marriage was forced on his by his mother as she was afraid that if he went to England, he might end-up marrying an English girl. They hardly lived together as Jinnah sailed from India soon after his marriage and Emibai died within few weeks after that.

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Quaid-e-Azam’s sisters:

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Dina Jinnah
Dina, the only daughter of Jinnah and Ratti was born on the night between 14th and 15th August, 1919, a year after jinnah and Ratti’s marriage.

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Dina Jinnah
Dina, the only daughter of Jinnah and Ratti was born on the night between 14th and 15th August, 1919, a year after jinnah and Ratti’s marriage.

:eek: And she is Indian by birth and loved by Pakistanis too. A good Omen, I say.

^^ Not really! many Pakistanis believe that she betrayed Muslims by marrying a parsi man! But those are the muslim hard liners! Like my Mom! :laugh:

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In a moment of relaxation.

^^who is it ..??

^^who is it ..??

who do you think? Look at the slim physique & the title of the thread! :bash:

coz i cant believe that he is really Quaid E Azam after till now we cant find any pic of any famous Politician like This

Salam To our Quaid

only if he could see pakistan of today... i bet he would jump right up in shock..

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Good to see that he's being honoured outside Pakistan as well.

^^

agreed.

the guy on the extreme right look like FK

My brother goes to york university! :happy:

^^
Ask him to take some pics of the statue.

Sure! I'll Ask!

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Mr Jinnah seems to be very angry in Toronto :)

They probably didn't get him his favorite coat.

That statue was taken down I believe.

That statue was taken down I believe.

Why?

Why?

Vandalism, they didn't put it back up after that as far as I remember. I could be wrong as this happened a few years back.

^^ who were the vandals??? i mean were they immigrants from another country??

Actully, I asked my brother and he said they moved it into the York University Library! They put it near Gandhi's Statue! :laugh:

Oh. Glad that they didn't throw it away.

Oh. Glad that they didn't throw it away.

That university would have been on every Pakistani's boycott list, had they dare do it.

Allama Iqbal's 132nd birthday.
May his message to all of us lives on!!!
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Above: From left, graduate student sculptor David Mcdougall; Mike Colle, Ontario minister of citizenship & immigration; Ghalib Iqbal, consul general of Pakistan; Babar Qureshi, president of the Pakistan Student Association at York; and Lorna R. Marsden, York president & vice-chancellor, at the unveiling of the Jinnah statue

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during her political campaigning, Fatima Jinnah

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Begum Rana Liaquat Ali Khan

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A newscaster in the 1970s goes on air (left); Pakistan's first female Major General, Dr Shahida Malik,

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The Pakistan Women's National uard in the late 1940s

^^ Thanks Kashif for highlighting the contributions & achievements of women in struggle for independence.

There is a long history of subcontinent's muslim women, inspite of the societal hurdles, taking part & even leading the masses for civil rights, social justice & political awareness.

One can go back to Razia Sultan or Bi Ama, who honored one of Pakistan's early stamp too.
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good collection kashif khan :applause:

PM Liauat ali Khan meeting P. Harry truman in washington.

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Love this thread!

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Begum Rana Liaquat Ali Khan

she is wife of Liaqat ali khan...??

he was also rana...!!!!

^^ its not رانا its رعنا

^^yani alif ki jagah aaien hai :yes: theek hai

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Think its Karachi
Pakistani Buses

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This photo was taken on April 22, 1955 and it shows American actress Ava Gardner at Lahore Railway Station. She was in Lahore for the filming of Hollywood Movie ‘Bhowani Junction‘.

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Govt. College Lahore 1947
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a school at Faizpur, near Lahore. 1947

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Sind Moslem College, Karachi. Freshman English class. Note that this is co-educational in 1947

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remarkable photograph taken on a Lahore street-side, probably in the 1950s.

Comments from the ATP Facebook Page where this was recently reposted:

- “truly amazing!”
- “sisterhood?”
- “great pic…this chain might have continued if the last woman had not covered her head…:) alas!!! :)”
- “nice one…”
- “nice”
- “It’s really nice!”
- “waqat kam aur mukhaballa sakath .. :-)”
- “Its really a great picture.”
- “A million Thanks to Allah for giving us Pakistan!”
- “Do’nt 4get past and think for Future,,,,,,”

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This photo was taken on April 22, 1955 and it shows American actress Ava Gardner at Lahore Railway Station. She was in Lahore for the filming of Hollywood Movie ‘Bhowani Junction‘.

bhowani junction where is it..???

by the way look at the whole crowd :)

the crowd must had gone crazy at the lady:nuts:

Nice pics Kashif, but some of them are totally irrelevant to the topic of thread.

Perhaps you can start a new thread for old pics, if you have more to post.

Think Just got bit carried away :)
though they are rare and of same time when things were turning :ohno:
YEs i Have more and will make a proper thread