http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/usc/la-sp-rose28nov28,0,541738.story?coll=la-home-center&vote33986733=1

USC might play in the Rose Bowl -- permanently

With long-term lease talks with the Coliseum at a standstill, Trojans officials have opened negotiations that would bring their football games to Pasadena.

By Sam Farmer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
5:40 PM PST, November 27, 2007

No matter the outcome of Saturday's game between USC and UCLA, the Trojans could wind up in the Rose Bowl.

For good.

Frustrated by lack of progress on a lease agreement with the Coliseum Commission -- one that would allow the school to run and renovate the venerable Coliseum -- USC is negotiating with the Rose Bowl to begin playing home games in Pasadena beginning next fall.

While a deal is not complete, a potential USC lease agreement is on the agenda Tuesday for the regular Rose Bowl Operating Committee meeting.

"Although we have been a faithful tenant of the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum for 80 years, we must now seek other alternatives for the good of our football program and our fans," said Todd R. Dickey, USC's senior vice president for administration. "The Coliseum has not benefited from substantive physical upgrades or preventive maintenance for more than 10 years because the commission has focused on attracting an NFL team that would renovate the stadium."

USC has offered to fund a minimum of $100 million over 10 years toward the repair and restoration of the Coliseum. As part of that deal, the school would be in charge of running the venue.

The commission has repeatedly rejected that offer, although it did comply with a request USC made in September for a new two-year lease, an agreement that has not been signed.

"As far as we're concerned, they asked us for two years and the commission gave it to them," said Pat Lynch, the Coliseum's general manager. "If they asked us for five years, we'd give them five. If they asked us for 10, we'd give them 10. We can't read their minds."

USC officials say those are simply long-term leases, at six games a year, not improvements to the facility or a master lease.

Some insiders have dismissed USC's talks with the Rose Bowl as a negotiating ploy, saying it's highly unlikely the school would ever leave a stadium that's practically part of its campus. But others point to the number of teams that have left the Coliseum over the years and say USC is likely to uproot if there's no significant progress with the commission.

"Playing in a renovated Coliseum would be our first choice," Dickey said. "However, the commission's rejection of our offer to provide for improvements such as bathroom and concession upgrades, new seats, new gates, new lights, and a new sound and video system, has led to this step."

Sources said USC first received permission from UCLA, the Rose Bowl's main tenant, to open talks.

"We recognize the history of USC and the Coliseum, but at the end of the day if USC needs a place to play we'll try to work something out with them," said Darryl Dunn, general manager of the Rose Bowl.

However, he added, "If it doesn't work for UCLA, it's not going to work for us."

USC began playing football at the Coliseum in 1923, but the school actually played in the Rose Bowl the year before that.

On Oct. 28, 1922, USC played host to California in the first football game played in that stadium.

So what happens when the NFL returns to L.A.?

This might actually be a good thing to bring the NFL back to LA.

It's a ploy.

The commission needs to hand over the colissium to USC, let them buy/renovate/medernise the stadium!!!!
FIGHT ON SC!!!
U deserve a modern facility!!

^ Yeah like what are the chances of that actually happening?

Hopefully MTA and the Rose Bowl would seek some sort of agreement with shuttling passengers between the Gold Line stations and the stadium.

A Monorail would be nice.

^^Seriously?

^^Seriously?

Ya man'

Why a monorail? How about a line from the Gold Line to the Orange Line and then there could be some sort of chairlift from the Gold Line to the Rose Bowl, and that would be a lot cheaper than a Monorail, especially since it wouldn't be used all that often.

He breaks with local political tradition of supporting venerable stadium as only place for league and says it 'should remain the home of the USC Trojans.'
By Sam Farmer, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
7:19 PM PST, November 28, 2007
Breaking a decade-long political monopoly that scuttled the potential for other local stadium projects, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa released a statement Wednesday in which he said, "While I remain committed to bringing a professional team to Los Angeles, it is time to read the scoreboard: the Coliseum is no longer a viable option for the NFL."

The mayor's statement, in the wake of USC's announcement that it was negotiating with the Rose Bowl as a possible home for its football team, comes about 18 months after he arrived at league meetings with a contingent of Coliseum backers and told owners that the venerable stadium was the only place for the NFL in Los Angeles.

With the region's political powers firmly in the Coliseum's camp for years, stadium proposals for Dodger Stadium, at South Park near downtown and others fell by the wayside.

"Over the last two years, the city has made every effort to bring an NFL team to the L.A. Coliseum . . ." Villaraigosa said in the statement. "The Coliseum is and should remain the home of the USC Trojans. I am committed to seeking a long-term agreement with USC that protects the public interest, preserves jobs and benefits the entire community of South Los Angeles."

Coliseum general manager Pat Lynch, a spokesman for the Coliseum Commission, said if the potential of the NFL horning in on USC's place as the stadium's main tenant is the school's major objection, then that obstacle could be overcome.

"We're not holding our breath on the NFL. We're moving on," Lynch said this afternoon. "That's why we're engaged in these negotiations with USC. So nobody's sitting here holding out any kind of place-holder for the NFL."

sam.farmer@latimes.com

Wouldn't this be great? 3 major football venues in the LA Area, 2 baseball teams, 2 basketball teams, 2 hockey teams. Maybe we could get a new football stadium downtown, and imagine the development that we would see then.

That's weak.

Coliseum panel normally operates in obscurity

But with USC's threat to leave its home field, the commission and its members draw scrutiny.
By Steve Hymon and David Zahniser, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
November 29, 2007

If you are not familiar with the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Commission, you're hardly alone.

The officials who oversee the 84-year-old stadium near downtown are a collection of nine prominent business leaders, elected officials and political appointees who normally work out of the spotlight.

Each member gets free game tickets and entry to the Coliseum's "hospitality tent," among other things. Only when deals start to go south, such as the National Football League's recent decision not to return to the Coliseum, does the obscure panel suddenly land in the news.

That was the case this week, when USC threatened to move its six home football games to the Rose Bowl in Pasadena if it cannot reach a new lease agreement with the commission. The quarrel quickly drew complaints from elected officials who said the panel's structure is too unwieldy.

"There is nothing that, that commission has [accomplished] in the 30 or 40 years that I know of," said L.A. City Councilman Greig Smith, who offered a list of teams that have left the Coliseum and neighboring Sports Arena. "One government agency can screw up. Three government agencies can screw up a lot."

The Coliseum operates under an agreement dating to 1955 that has seen only minor changes over the last three decades. Because the Coliseum is jointly operated by the city, Los Angeles County and the state, the commission is also carved up three ways, with the governor, the Board of Supervisors and the city of Los Angeles each getting three appointees.

One of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa's representatives is Candy Spelling, widow of the late entertainment mogul Aaron Spelling. Another is Barry A. Sanders, who heads the Southern California Committee for the Olympics. Both are eligible because they were named to the city's Recreation and Parks Commission by the mayor.

One of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's representatives on the commission is William J. Chadwick, whose Los Angeles-based investment firm hired former Mayor James K. Hahn in 2005 after he lost his bid for reelection. Another is Fabian Wesson, wife of City Councilman Herb J. Wesson Jr. Both are eligible because Schwarzenegger appointed them to the board of the California Science Center in Exposition Park.

Nearly half the commissioners are politicians: County Supervisors Yvonne B. Burke, Don Knabe and Zev Yaroslavsky (HIM AGAIN:ohno:) as well as City Councilman Bernard C. Parks, whose district includes USC.

The last major effort to reorganize the commission was in 1999, when then-Assemblyman Rod Wright unsuccessfully tried to tip the scales so that the state had a greater number of members on the commission.

"Some see [the commission] as an appropriate body that represents checks and balances, others see it as a three-headed monster," said state Sen. Mark Ridley-Thomas (D-Los Angeles), who is running against Parks for supervisor and has criticized the lack of an agreement with USC.

Parks defended the commission structure, saying the agency has a duty to include representatives from the city, county and state.

"You must give them the opportunity to have their interests protected," he said.

Coliseum Commissioner David Israel said the panel was designed to protect the public's access to the Coliseum. "It's a public building and gathering place, and the commission gives an open forum for people who want to come and petition for use of the building for any variety of reasons," Israel said.

"It's more than a football stadium that is used six times a year -- much more than that," he said.


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Its still only a stadium, give it to the CIty or sell it to USC!!!!

^^^ Politics. :no:

"There is nothing that, that commission has [accomplished] in the 30 or 40 years that I know of," said L.A. City Councilman Greig Smith, who offered a list of teams that have left the Coliseum and neighboring Sports Arena. "One government agency can screw up. Three government agencies can screw up a lot

:applause: Somebody had to say it.

It's also very disheartening to see Zev as one of the comissioners. Can't we get rid of this stumbling block? Has he done anything good for this city outside of being an anus?

Straight from Wikipedia:

"He authored the 1996 Proposition ‘A’ park bond which resulted in the preservation of rural open space and the development of urban parks throughout the County."
"He authored the 2002 Proposition ‘B’ trauma tax, approved by over 73% of County voters, a measure which is largely credited with stabilizing the County’s perpetually unpredictable health care finances."
"He led the effort to rebuild and modernize the world famous Hollywood Bowl amphitheater which re-opened in 2004, and he was instrumental in the development of Walt Disney Concert Hall, the home of the L.A. Philharmonic Orchestra, which opened in 2003."

We can't be quick so villainize someone.

Straight from Wikipedia:

"He authored the 1996 Proposition ‘A’ park bond which resulted in the preservation of rural open space and the development of urban parks throughout the County."
"He authored the 2002 Proposition ‘B’ trauma tax, approved by over 73% of County voters, a measure which is largely credited with stabilizing the County’s perpetually unpredictable health care finances."
"He led the effort to rebuild and modernize the world famous Hollywood Bowl amphitheater which re-opened in 2004, and he was instrumental in the development of Walt Disney Concert Hall, the home of the L.A. Philharmonic Orchestra, which opened in 2003."

We can't be quick so villainize someone.


^^ Now...now... Phatt we all know how reliable WIKI can be at times. ;)

^^So then all of those things are wrong?

^^So then all of those things are wrong?


^ There's a huge possibility!

^ There's a huge possibility!

Nah, it's true. (Even coming from Wiki.) He did those things but I still think the guy needs to get his head out of his ass.

Anyway though, how could I miss this:


"Over the last two years, the city has made every effort to bring an NFL team to the L.A. Coliseum . . ." Villaraigosa said in the statement. "The Coliseum is and should remain the home of the USC Trojans. I am committed to seeking a long-term agreement with USC that protects the public interest, preserves jobs and benefits the entire community of South Los Angeles."


:cheers: That means we would have to build a new stadium. Preferably near L.A. Live, hint hint...

Besides, we should leave the Coliseum alone anyway (and let USC take it) so we can get the 2020/2024 Olympics. I'm sure they'd work it out with the city if we got the Olympics again.

CRITIC'S NOTEBOOK
Coliseum risks becoming a relic

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By Christopher Hawthorne, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
November 29, 2007

Many stadiums and arenas in this country, particularly those that are home to professional teams, are state of the art but sterile. Their luxury suites and booming sound systems help draw season-ticket holders and corporate sponsors, but they can't do much to disguise the fact that the buildings are less than memorable architecturally.

In Southern California, we have the opposite problem. With the exception of the gleaming, aerodynamic-looking and entirely nondescript Staples Center, which opened in 1999, our sports facilities are full of history and architectural character but are also old and crumbling. That explains why the future of Dodger Stadium, still a terrific place to watch nine innings despite its advancing age, is the subject of perennial speculation. And it is one of the primary reasons the Coliseum and the Rose Bowl are back in the news this week, with USC threatening to abandon the first stadium to play its home football games in the second.


The dispute between the Coliseum Commission, the nine-member panel that operates the stadium, and USC, which is willing to pay to restore the aging structure as long as it can assume full control of it, should at least indelibly underscore one fact: The 1923 Coliseum -- designed in a muscular Neoclassical style by the talented, prolific John Parkinson -- is being entirely propped up by the financial and athletic success of USC football. If the team makes good on its threats to decamp for the Rose Bowl, another 1920s design with good architectural bones, the most appropriate new mascot for the Coliseum, replacing the Trojan, will be an elephant. As in white elephant.

The ongoing negotiations between USC and the Coliseum Commission should be seen at least in part as an exercise in historic preservation. It is not just a question of keeping one of the most successful college football programs in the country in its current home. It is a question of saving one of our finest and best-known pieces of 1920s architecture from irrelevance. And if this city's architectural history teaches us anything, it's that irrelevance is usually the quickest path to the wrecking ball.

The Coliseum Commission has now helped drive away the NFL's Raiders and Rams as well as UCLA's football program, which left for Pasadena after the 1981 season. The commission is also responsible, at least indirectly, for the construction of the Home Depot Center in Carson, a compact, crisply designed stadium that plays host to the Los Angeles Galaxy -- David Beckham's squad -- and most of the big-ticket international soccer matches held in Southern California. When the U.S. men's soccer team meets Sweden here Jan. 19, the match will be in Carson, not Exposition Park.

If you take into account the Sports Arena, which it also controls, then the commission can also credibly be blamed for pushing out the Lakers, the Clippers and USC's basketball program, which since last fall has played in the new Galen Center at the corner of Figueroa and Jefferson. That's quite a track record. And it's been quite a boon for local stadium and arena architects, who have been kept busy thanks to defections by teams that once played at one of the commission's properties.

At the Coliseum, meanwhile, various renovation plans have surfaced in recent years, all complicated by the stadium's status as a state and federal historic landmark. In May 2006, the Los Angeles City Council approved an $800-million proposal to drop a new 68,000-seat bowl into the historic shell of the stadium. But the plan, similar to recent additions to Chicago's Soldier Field, would go into effect only if the NFL awarded a franchise to L.A. -- a prospect that seems less likely by the month. Earlier this year, as part of the city's ultimately failed bid to land the 2016 Olympics, architect David Jay Flood proposed expanding the Coliseum by adding a temporary -- and rather pedestrian-looking -- steel-and-vinyl superstructure around its perimeter.

The Rose Bowl, for its part, would become a rich-get-richer case should the Trojans make good on their threat to relocate. The stadium, which is owned by the city of Pasadena, has just completed a $16-million project, paid for by bond funds, to create new locker rooms and a media center. Theoretically, the stadium would land more cash from USC as part of any venue-sharing arrangement.

The Rose Bowl has always been a slightly nicer place to watch a game than the Coliseum: It's less cavernous, for one, and the Arroyo Seco offers a picturesque backdrop. If the Rose Bowl had additional USC revenue to work with, that gap could quickly widen.

This whole controversy, as others have been quick to point out, looks more like a negotiating ploy by USC trustees than a serious relocation threat. But the underlying issues are meaningful. The Coliseum has clear value as a Los Angeles -- and not just a USC -- landmark. Along with its history as a venue for the Olympics, the Dodgers, the Chargers, the Raiders and UCLA, it was the site of a papal Mass in 1987. John F. Kennedy gave a speech there in 1960 accepting the Democratic presidential nomination.

It would therefore be a pity to give complete control of the Coliseum over to the university, which has little obvious incentive to protect the building's broader role as a civic icon. In the long term, there needs to be some check on the university so it won't treat the Coliseum solely as a kind of architectural advertising vehicle for its football program. For all its missteps, the Coliseum Commission -- which consists of three members appointed by the city, three by the state and three by the county -- can at least be counted on to consider ways that the stadium serves the larger community and not just the university.

But does the commission have even a shred of leverage in this case? If you take the Trojan football team out of the stadium, what is going to keep the Coliseum viable as a piece of living architecture: USC soccer matches and a handful of high school football playoff games? Who will pay for the stadium's basic upkeep, not to mention the more expensive renovations it requires every couple of decades?

The Dodgers will play an exhibition game against the Boston Red Sox in the Coliseum in March. But without a regular football tenant, the Coliseum risks becoming a gigantic relic. A USC move would also at least partially sever the important ties between the Coliseum and the central USC campus, for which Parkinson himself designed the first master plan.

And have you seen the sad-sack Sports Arena lately? If that's the model of how the Coliseum Commission deals with a building after losing its anchor tenants, then we should all be more than a little concerned about the plight of a Trojan-less Coliseum.

christopher.hawthorne@ latimes.com

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Here are some pics from the article and a forum at L.A. Times.Com about the issue.....

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-usc27nov27-gb,1,1487675.graffitiboard?coll=la-headlines-california
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Athletes from Japan march into the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum during the opening ceremonies of the 1932 Olympic Games held in Los Angeles.
(Associated Press)


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For four years, the Dodgers turned the Coliseum into one of the most unusual baseball stadiums in America and, on first opening day in 1958, 78,672 were there as Giants and Dodgers lined up.
(Los Angeles Times)


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The Los Angeles landmark has been host to many events, including U.S. Senator and future Presidents John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson and current House Speaker Sam Rayburn in a 1960 visit. (Associated Press)


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The Coliseum has played host to two NFL teams, two college teams and two Olympics.
(Con Keyes / Los Angeles Times)


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Fans of the USC Trojans at the Pac-10 Conference Game against the Arizona Wildcats at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
(Donald Miralle / Getty Images)
October 13, 2007


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A rainbow crosses the sky as the Southern California Trojans play the Washington State Cougars during the first half at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
(Jeff Lewis / U.S. Presswire)
September 22, 2007

Nah, it's true. (Even coming from Wiki.) He did those things but I still think the guy needs to get his head out of his ass.

Anyway though, how could I miss this:






^ That's just horrible!!!! I don't have my head up my rear!!!!:ohno::ohno::ohno:

^ That's just horrible!!!! I don't have my head up my rear!!!!:ohno::ohno::ohno:

:lol: C'mon man.

It's just not going to happen, period!

So, basically, V gave up on the Coliseum being the venue which would hold the LOS ANGELES name? So, who here is going to go see the LOS ANGELES whatevers play in Carson? In City of Industry? Much, much cheaper to just raze the Coliseum and keep the parastyle on land that won't have to be purchased in east South Park! I'm sure that the NFL would just love to have that LOS ANGELES market, just to watch you suffer as you trek out to some little cityburb that doesn't even respect your name. The Coliseum is close enough to downtown and anchors the south end of Fig in Exposition Park. I'd rather see the traffic dispersed there than in downtown. That would truly be a mess. And the project built there would be expensive enough to materialize into some half-assed, on the cheap project more in common with Carson's Home Depot than something as grand and permanent looking as The Memorial Coliseum. What an embarassment, this decision to hold a university in charge of a major historic sports facility, something so large as to eat up 100 millon dollars without batting an eye. That location needs a complete redesign for sports like soccer, football AND the Olympic return. We're talking a billion+! Now, that's all gone.

Having so many people coming out into the streets downtown sure would be an instant booster, though!:)

The commission is also responsible, at least indirectly, for the construction of the Home Depot Center in Carson, a compact, crisply designed stadium that plays host to the Los Angeles Galaxy -- David Beckham's squad -- and most of the big-ticket international soccer matches held in Southern California. When the U.S. men's soccer team meets Sweden here Jan. 19, the match will be in Carson, not Exposition Park.


So this is the reason i have to drive to Carson! We never got the stadium built closer to downtown where it should have been. Thanks to those Fucks:bash: I'm shelling out 20 dollars per parking. when i could have taken the train had they built the stadium near the south park /Chinatown area like they were planning.

Coliseum Commission preparing counteroffer for USC

Los Angeles Business from bizjournals
December 6, 2007

The rift between the University of Southern California and the Coliseum Commission appears to be heading back to negotiations, as media reports are stating that the commission is prepared to give USC a counteroffer for its lease proposal for the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

The according to a statement from Commission President Bernard C. Parks, the commission is putting together a counterproposal for the university and "will be expediting [the] proposal to them."

"If it means they voted on a counter proposal and are trying to expedite that, it sounds like progress," USC Senior Vice President Todd Dickey, told the Los Angeles Daily News. "It sounds like what I asked them for. It sounds encouraging."

The university's proposal would see it put $100 million towards renovating the historic venue in exchange for the rights to operate the stadium. The lack of a response from the commission has prompted USC officials to explore leaving their home since 1923 in favor of Pasadena's Rose Bowl.

The Rose Bowl proposal will be discussed tonight during a closed-door session of the board of directors of the Rose Bowl Operating Company.

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the last thing that LA needs for its two major universities to play in a stadium miles away from home. college football is the most traditional of sports (along with MLB) and having the stadium on campus is a HUGE part of the experience.

I don't understand the whole stadium issue as far as the UCLA and USC go. First of all, if USC wants to have a model, how about the other private school in state...Stanford built a new stadium on the site of the old and did a damned good job with it. Sure the 50,000 seat stadium in Palo Alto is a lot smaller than the Trojans need, but economically with football being a money maker at USC in a way it isn't at Stanford, your school could build a 75-80,000 seat stadium with no more finanacial burden. If land acquisition were an issue...how about the university buying the Colliseum site; it's not like it is used for anything else but USC football of any note.

Land issues in Westwood might be greater, but UCLA football would have benefitted from and created a higher profile in its relationshi with USC with a stadium on campus. Its hard to sing you are roaming the hills of Westwood when you are in Pasadena.

Look...in Seattle, the Seahawks and UW have separate facilities. In Mpls, the U of M is building an on campus stadium which will not be home to the Vikings. ASU didn't follow the Cards to their new stadium. LA is one of the great venues for college football...it's a shame it never has had the on campus stadiums of other major universities in major metro areas (although the Colliseum is, I suppose, as "on campus" as a non-university can get). While the football itself can't compare, the Bay Area's on campus stadiums at Cal and Stanford sure beat what USC and UCLA have in LA.

Coliseum Commission preparing counteroffer for USC

Los Angeles Business from bizjournals
December 6, 2007

"If it means they voted on a counter proposal and are trying to expedite that, it sounds like progress," USC Senior Vice President Todd Dickey, told the Los Angeles Daily News. "It sounds like what I asked them for. It sounds encouraging."

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Todd Dickey. No that's not it, yeah over to the right.....:lol:

I hate to bump this old thread, but here's our good friend Zev speaking on the USC/Coliseum situation:

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Your thoughts?

Guess the conflict is resolved:

USC, Los Angeles Coliseum sign lease

The Associated PressPublished: May 15, 2008

LOS ANGELES: Southern California has signed a new 25-year lease that will keep the Trojans' football team in the Los Angeles Coliseum and include improvements in the stadium.

USC has played in the 85-year-old facility since it was built in 1923.

Among other details, the agreement calls for the Coliseum Commission to replace all of the seats, upgrade the video and scoreboard on the peristyle end and add a video-scoreboard on the other end of the stadium.

The commission and the university also will try to get a naming rights sponsor for the facility.

USC will pay rent equivalent to 8 percent of gross ticket sales for home games, half of game-day expenses, and 8 percent of revenue from live television broadcast of games when the crowd is less than 70,000.

The university will retain the right of consent over any amateur or professional football teams seeking to use the stadium, where local officials in the past had tried to lure an NFL team. The Coliseum has been without a pro football team since the Raiders left for Oakland in 1995.

1) What happens after the 25 years?

2) Naming rights sponsor? WTF? That's not what I think it is, is it? Please somebody explain that to me, it's 2 in the AM and I'm not processing information correctly but if that involves private companies I'm going to shit bricks. :ohno:

How 'bout... The USC/Maxi-pads Memorial Coliseum? No? Seriously, this is a done dealio and we should start entertaining the concept of a stadium in Elysian Park, maybe just to the west of Dodger Stadium. Screw the Nimby's, it's just going to be a few weeks a year and I want blimp shots over Downtown L. A., and not some make believe location 40 miles out :ohno:

what the coliseum should be
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