View Full Version : Hellenic Agora - Improvements & Ideas
MetroGuardian November 29th, 2007, 12:01 PM Hello everybody. There are several issues I want to discuss with you before proceeding with major changes. This thread will serve as a place for proposals and ideas. I will also present you my current view on these issues under the schema below:
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STRUCTURE - ORGANIZATION
I am a little skeptical about the current structure of our forum. Firstly for the upper divisions (NationWide/Athens/Thessaloniki/Cyprus/Photography) and secondly, for something several users have noticed; multiple threads for the same subject. I don't like to close threads and follow a rigid structure like stadia.gr (our greek sister) but I would prefer to see threads that gather the best from each of those user-initiatives and structure them to a simple, nice and comprehensive form. Also we need a directory that helps us and our visitors to navigate. Christos7 has done a great job, but the thread needs still a lot of work to look better and be more usable. I consider savas a great asset for our forum and I expect his ideas and insights on the matter.
Agora Directory (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=238175)
Look at some good examples:
Portugal (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=349749)(nice with photo-links)
Turkey (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=178804)(I don't like their format)
City compilation (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=486385) (Simple but usable)
dewrob has also a nice structure and layout:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12303966&postcount=1
Other ideas: Alpe-Adria forum has a specific format for their thread names.
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COPYRIGHTS - PERSONAL CREDIT
Your personal contributions in content, images or otherwise are considered your property and you contribute them non-permanently with the right to withdraw them without stating the reason. This forum is a common but the contributions belong to their creators under their free-will right to offer them for benefiting others and so themselves through such a cycle.
If there is a challenge of your intellectual rights by another media, electronic or printed, I will personally involve to help the forumer. I expect your assistance in this, both morally and technically - if we have some lawyers in the house. This is not a joke, you can ask GM for similar provocative events. Bear in mind that the work some people present here, due to their expertise and love for the subject is usually superior in content and insight than traditional journalism.
I am strongly in favor of personal accreditation. So, I will create some sticky threads with the best of the best in the Hellenic Agora mentioning the most important contributors.
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POLITICS - BANS & TROLLS
Now, there have been some rumors for a military coup d'etat :lol:. So the forum is under quarantine for the next week. If we have trolls those first days, until we reach a consensus about how to systematically treat them, I will treat them using my judgment.
I believe we need a specific division for general and political discussion. I will not tolerate any such inflammatory discussions in threads about architecture and construction. We know that this is an international forum and some people like to provoke. I am not in favor of limiting political discussions in Greek but there should be open to everyone with civilized manners. However this can cause easily problems. We need a way to cope with them.
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NOVELTIES & INNOVATION
Any ideas are welcome. I personally suggest a special series of the Best of the Best of Greece, like the legendary one in Eastern Europe (Best monuments, churches, bridges, theaters...)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=152691&highlight=best
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FINAL NOTE:
We are not here to serve any rules. The rules are here to serve us.
PS: DON'T HESITATE TO SUGGEST ANYTHING THAT COMES INTO YOUR MIND (even if it doesn't fit the above schema)
arxeos November 29th, 2007, 12:07 PM I liked the turkish forum better with a list easier to find , can you add a sub forum named kafenio or something where you can discuss other issues to? all around the forum needs to be re organised and we need to remake some older threads of places where pictures no longer work and we should add more to since alot of towns and smaller citys have been left out.
oh and i forgot to congratulate you before so i say it now congratualtions :D
krainer November 29th, 2007, 12:18 PM Very nice priorities there, as the discussion evolves I'll say my opinions too.
Something that I wanted to say is that the name of the Greek forum "Hellenic Agora" in my opinion is unnecessary. It seems kind of ethnically provocative and it doesn't mean anything to our guests, if newcomers want to find information about Greece they will most likely not understand that this is the Greek forum. I would like to see what other Greek forumers think about this, I would personally like to see our forum under the name "Greece" and not "Hellenic Agora". :)
P.S. Oh yea, I just saw what arxeos suggested, we definitely need a "kafeneio" (but PLEASE if that happens don't name it "kafeneio", it sounds terrible :P)
LEAFS FANATIC November 29th, 2007, 04:04 PM ^^
I agree with Alemo. The forum should be easily identifiable to all people (Greeks and non-Greeks) as "Greece" and not "Hellenic Agora".
With regards to the sub-forum "kafeneio" idea, I too do noty like that name. Perhaps the appropriate name for that sub-forum can be "Agora". After all, in ancient Greece the "agora" was where people met to exchange goods, services, and socialize so what better name for that type of discussion forum?
Also, that Portuguese set-up is impressive. Nothing decsribes a topice better than an easily identifiable picture. I would like to see a similar set-up here too.
Just my two cents....
MetroGuardian November 29th, 2007, 06:22 PM To be honest, I personally like the Hellenic Agora, name, it sounds special. But if everyone wants a change we can do it.
I like also the Portuguese set-up, but a little bit smaller so that it is easy to navigate.
Olympios November 29th, 2007, 06:39 PM Hellenic Agora is better and after all when you write ''Greece is the word'' you are OK with the foreign members.
pilotos November 29th, 2007, 06:43 PM Αρχικά συγχαρητήρια και από εμένα στο metroguardian, μιας και δεν του ευχήθηκα νωρίτερα, καλή διοίκηση λοιπόν!
Η διαμόρφωση της αγοράς μας πρέπει οπωσδήποτε να περιλαμβάνει και έναν χώρο γενικών συζητήσεων, ένα καφενείο όπως ειπώθηκε, όπου θα μπορούμε να συζητάμε για όλα όσα δεν έχουν άμεση σύνδεση με το βασικό θέμα μας, και που φυσικά θα λειτουργήσει και ως "χωματερή" και θα ελαφρύνει λίγο την υπόλοιπη αγορά από θέματα που δεν εντάσσονται κάπου, ακόμα και τα πολιτικά θα μπορούσαν να ενταχθούν με δεδομένη την αυτοσυγκράτηση των μελών φυσικά.
Τώρα για το όνομα δεν νομίζω ότι υπάρχει πρόβλημα, απλά και μόνο διότι κάτω από αυτό αναγράφεται και η λέξη Greece, και έτσι καλύπτονται όλες οι πιθανές περιπτώσεις.
Για τον κατάλογο, απλά απαιτείται νέα μορφοποίηση, μιας και είναι λίγο άχαρη η τωρινή διαμόρφωση.
Επίσης για την αποφυγή δημιουργίας πολλαπλών κοινών θεμάτων, κάτι στο οποίο σίγουρα θα βοηθήσει και το καφενείο, καλό θα ήταν να υπάρξει πιο αυστηρή αντιμετώπιση, και να περιοριστεί ο αριθμός.
Cerises November 29th, 2007, 06:51 PM I like the term "Hellenic Agora" and as long as there is a reference to Greece somewhere in there like "Greece is the word" I think that most people (non Greek forumers) will be able to identify it as such. Also the idea of having a separate sub forum where we can discuss off topic ideas and have discussions is necessary imo and I like the suggestion that it should be called "Agora" as opposed to "kafeneio". :cheers:
krainer November 29th, 2007, 07:28 PM I prefer the term Agora to Kafeneio of course but that would make sense only if the Greek forum was named Greece as a whole. Otherwise what would the term "Agora" imply as a sub forum in a forum named "Hellenic Agora"? It doesn't make sense. Also even though "Hellenic Agora" does sound special, to me it doesn't sound special in a positive way, it sounds as special as "Apple" for a baby name if you get my point. Whatever the decision is I don't think that the general discussion sub forum should be named "Agora" if the name remained "Hellenic Agora". And in any case we should keep off the name "Kafeneio", yuck!
Arxitektonas November 29th, 2007, 07:34 PM Well, if you don't like the name "Hellenic Agora" then make it "Hellas" but surely not "Greece"....We don't call ourselves "Greeks" but "Ellines".... I like the irish who insist on the name "Eire" for their country...We should do the same....Even the FYROMians insist that they should be called "Macedonians" (although they aren't)....Why should we differ and accept a name that we never use to define ourselves...? "Hellas" is the best name of the forum IMHO if you don't like the current one...
krainer November 29th, 2007, 07:48 PM Why should we differ and accept a name that we never use to define ourselves...?Because the whole world calls us Greeks and it's not like it's an insult. When you say the term Hellas or hellenic to the average foreigner they are like "Huh?". To me the terms Hellas and hellenic sound over nationalist when it's a well known fact that very few people understand them. And as LEAFS said it's not really a hellenic agora, it's an international forum about Greece.
Arxitektonas November 29th, 2007, 08:23 PM Well, to you it might sound nationalistic, but to me it's the way I name my country and I identify myself....And yes, for years it was used as an insult by foreigners and we didn't like it when we heard it....I would like the whole world to change his habbits and call us "Hellenes"....The whole world used to call our northern neighbours "Yugoslavians" and "Vardarska" the region and now they call them "Macedonians" and "Macedonia"....They are using a false name which is totally incorrect...The fact that everybody does it doesn't mean that it's right and we should live on with it....Many people in Greece didn't want "Attiki Odos" and they reject skyscrapers...They used to be (and they might still be) the majority...I don't get it...Should we accept something wrong that we don't like and use for ourselves? Then where is the problem? Why not call us by our proper name which is "Hellenes" and "Hellas"?
Olympios November 29th, 2007, 08:26 PM To me the terms Hellas and hellenic sound over nationalist when it's a well known fact that very few people understand them.
:nuts:Αυτά μόνο στην Ελλάδα τα ακούς.:)
Πάντως αν θέλετε σώνει και καλά να αλλάξετε το Hellenic Republic είναι το πιο σωστό καθώς χρησιμοποιείται από το επίσημο Ελληνικό κράτος. Πάντως όπως προείπα η παρούσα ονομασία είναι ένας εξαιρετικός συμβιβασμός.
krainer November 29th, 2007, 08:41 PM Well, to you it might sound nationalistic, but to me it's the way I name my country and I identify myself....And yes, for years it was used as an insult by foreigners and we didn't like it when we heard it....I would like the whole world to change his habbits and call us "Hellenes"....The whole world used to call our northern neighbours "Yugoslavians" and "Vardarska" the region and now they call them "Macedonians" and "Macedonia"....They are using a false name which is totally incorrect...The fact that everybody does it doesn't mean that it's right and we should live on with it....Many people in Greece didn't want "Attiki Odos" and they reject skyscrapers...They used to be (and they might still be) the majority...I don't get it...Should we accept something wrong that we don't like and use for ourselves? Then where is the problem? Why not call us by our proper name which is "Hellenes" and "Hellas"?Well we just got a different point of view on this matter, but the conversation is getting way off topic. I don't mind it being Hellenic Agora that much I would just prefer it if it were Greece, I just don't see why we should have a special name when everyone else's forum is named after their conventional international name, but it's not all that important it's just a name. Let it be Hellenic Agora (and BTW yea I'd rather Hellas to Hellenic Agora, I'm pretty sure that some forumers think that 'Hellenic Agora' is how we call Greece in Greek)
MetroGuardian November 29th, 2007, 10:48 PM Under NOVELTIES
I also like this Geography thread of Scandinavia
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=420169
I know we have several crazy people with geography here (... I am also a big fan), that can help.
Ares_K November 29th, 2007, 10:49 PM I would prefer the "Hellenic Agora" title better and the Portuguese format for navigating with smaller and more organised pics.
And perhaps the traditional architecture towns threads started by GrigorisSocratis, who has done a great job, should find their place somewhere there in the index.
As for the general discussion thread, well, it may also serve as a place that will take the heat away from on-topic threads, keeping them clean. Provided that you have the time and patience to keep an eye on it.
EDIT: On second thoughts "Hellas" with "Greece is the name" as it appears now under Hellenic Agora sounds good too...
gm2263 November 29th, 2007, 11:17 PM I will tell you my suggestions tomorrow.
K/polis had something like "Η Εκκλησία του Δήμου" which I liked. Unfortunately, after some disagreements there he locked it and it was eventually deleted.
Now with regards to the term: "Hellenic", I like it to be honest. Guys do not confuse the author and his potential political or other views with the title of a subforum. Plus, I don't believe anybody confused "Hellenic" with "Greek". Something like "Hellenic Agora - The Greek Architecture Forum" Is what I would probably go for. Also, there have been some objections about the signs in the generic threads such as the signs in the generic construction and transportation threads. They looked like this:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/898/metafora0mx.gif
Now, I believe that the work of our friend Savas is Excellent (Go see his talent unfolding in the design of stadia.gr), I don't have any problem in seeing our flag and emblems but I also believe that these drawings are too heavy for the purpose of our forum, they look like the the National Gendarmes Forum signs (Φόρουμ Ελληνικης Χωροφυλακής - Sorry Savva). I believe that something with our flag waving in the wind combined with the blue sea, the Athens tower and the Acropolis might do the job. But this particular sign, in my humble opinion it is too heavy for here, we need something lighter with our national colors in it of course.
As for the rest, wait till tomorrow to make some suggestions if you can bear with an old dog like me...
MetroGuardian November 29th, 2007, 11:39 PM The work of savas is absolutely amazing, thought the context is too nationalistic and there is no connection with the object of description. I hope when he has some free time, he can help us update the logos.
Check his work also in his personal website:
http://www.savas-visualarts.eu/
which is a point of excellence on its own.
Of course we are waiting for your suggestions gm, and from everybody else that hasn't replied yet. Every idea is respectable, and the ones posted are really good so far.
SouthernEuropean November 30th, 2007, 12:36 AM But why only savas?what about the other artistic members like myself?:ohno:
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2562/ellasim1.png
NickyF November 30th, 2007, 01:22 AM I prefer "Hellenic Agora" .
Let's not though out everything for the sake of change.
Reaper-strain November 30th, 2007, 12:22 PM Too late ^^ You voted for change!
LEAFS FANATIC November 30th, 2007, 04:18 PM Hey MetroGurdian.
I have another idea. Should we have a thread where people can post their pictures from their travels to Greece (whether it is someone like me from the diaspora or someone living in Greece that takes a vacation to other parts of Greece)?
For example, I have over 600 pictures that I took this summer and many of them were taken with you guys in mind (I know, I have no life if I am taking pics and thinking of you guys while on vacation! :) ) My point is, the pictures are from all over Greece and not specific to one region so I can't post them in the Athens thread or Thessaloniki, for example.
So, what do you think about setting up a thread for our vacation/travel/businees travel pics to Greece?
SouthernEuropean November 30th, 2007, 05:15 PM Hey MetroGurdian.
I have another idea. Should we have a thread where people can post their pictures from their travels to Greece (whether it is someone like me from the diaspora or someone living in Greece that takes a vacation to other parts of Greece)?
For example, I have over 600 pictures that I took this summer and many of them were taken with you guys in mind (I know, I have no life if I am taking pics and thinking of you guys while on vacation! :) ) My point is, the pictures are from all over Greece and not specific to one region so I can't post them in the Athens thread or Thessaloniki, for example.
So, what do you think about setting up a thread for our vacation/travel/businees travel pics to Greece?
great idea..600+ pics?you've got a treasure there!!!!!
LEAFS FANATIC November 30th, 2007, 05:32 PM great idea..600+ pics?you've got a treasure there!!!!!
hehehehe...I forgot to mention that about half of them are from Milan, Rome, and Venice. I hope to post them all soon when I have a chance!
MetroGuardian November 30th, 2007, 05:33 PM Of course LEAFS, and I don't think you have to ask me actually for this. The only question is whether there will be any organization in this thread or just a depository of pictures (maybe we can use them as stock-photo when constructing city-specific threads).
LEAFS FANATIC November 30th, 2007, 05:45 PM (maybe we can use them as stock-photo when constructing city-specific threads).
Good idea. :cheers:
neorion November 30th, 2007, 06:14 PM Funny, some forumers have mentioned things that have crossed my mind. I thought of kafenieo as an off-topic section, such as the Turks have with their Turquoise Cafe. The Agora is a good alternative (as LEAFS explained).
I think the Greek forum should be called "Greece", the internationally recognised name. Hellas and Hellenes is just an Anglicised name anyway, it's Ellas and Ellines, so I support the title as Greece. Trying to get the world to accept Hellas and Hellenes is futile and only leads to confusion. Hungarians call themselves Magyars and don't expect others to iknow them by their native language identity...they see it as pretentious. Greeks amongst Greeks understand and identify themselves as ELL-I-NESS, that's cool, but we can't expect and shouldn't even bother getting others to call us HE-LEENS, as it's pronounced.
Anyway, cutting to the chase, IMHO "Greece" should be the title of the forum, the discussion sub-forum could be called the "Hellenic Agora" or simply the "Agora", which is a fitting name, as well as paying homage to the original name of the Greek forum.
Geokioy November 30th, 2007, 06:33 PM MetroGardian congratulations:cheers1:.....I agree with all the forumers here about the changes that have to take place, in order for our "agora" to be more user friendly...For the name of our forum I would prefer this: "Hellenic Agora is Greece"....:)
gm2263 November 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM As for pictures, I will be on an excursion to Nafplion next Sunday :naughty:
neorion November 30th, 2007, 07:01 PM ^^Cool! I have a request gm. Can you please take pics of the Nafplion branch of the National Gallery and Harvard's new centre for Hellenic Studies, both in recently refurbished historical buildings? If you can...:)
gm2263 November 30th, 2007, 07:04 PM I will be with a group so, hopefully if I find myself to these premises I may take a shot or two... I won't be moving independent though.
MetroGuardian November 30th, 2007, 09:14 PM Gentlemen, except for these nice, but easygoing things, we have to start a discussion about politics, bans, rules of behavior, trolls, etc...
Those might cause severe problems in the functionality of the forum and will make people frustrated or angry over idiotic things some guy 12.000 km away told them (without even knowing how half their face looks like).
I believe the best compromise so as to allow free expression of ideas, without triggering (many) inflammatory behaviors is this:
-Allow every opinion/idea/discussion, in the politics thread.
-Politics or out-of-topic in architecture/construction/athletic threads will not be allowed specifically there.
-Calling names, insulting, using derogatory terms against other forumers will not be tolerated anywhere.
The fuzzy point concerns derogatory terms for ideas, such as:
"this is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard"
This of course doesn't mean that the person is an idiot, but it's not the most polite thing to say. My suggestion obviously is to always be civilized, but I understand that some times things get out of hand.
I would like your ideas concerning this subject. Also about dealing with trolls, provocative neighbors, hot subjects (Macedonia, Cyprus, Greece-Turkey, Threads about how Athens/Greece/Greeks suck and so on ...).
P.S. I want to thank once more all the guys expressing their wishes from every thread :)
AEK December 1st, 2007, 02:27 AM Should we name it Akropolis or Parthenon or Spartan Agora? I think everyone in this world knows what that is and also knows that's 100% Greek.
neorion December 1st, 2007, 04:49 AM I will be with a group so, hopefully if I find myself to these premises I may take a shot or two... I won't be moving independent though. Thanks gm...Like I said, only if you can.
Here's some info on Harvard University's Center for Hellenic Studies.
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/10.05/11-greece.html
And the Nafplion branch of the National Gallery
http://www.onassis.gr/english/nafplio/index.php
Both buildings are complete and add an important intellectual, cultural, as well as aesthetic contribution to the beautiful city of Nafplion.
:cheers: mate...:)
arxeos December 1st, 2007, 09:56 AM I was looking in the maroccan forum and i liked how they had in there photo threa different threads like , fauna , culture etc can we also do that
DigenisAkritas December 1st, 2007, 01:58 PM Why don't we set up our own grouped photobucket account? Or something like that? There we can categorize all pics in order in case the forum ever messes up, and for direct linking for others too!
agnwstos December 2nd, 2007, 04:54 PM I think we should advertise the Greek subforum somehow.
We need more people to write here,only 1-2 are usually online and sometimes it goes 6 max.
I really want to see more posts by new Greek members. :)
NickyF December 3rd, 2007, 04:27 AM I would like the new structure to reflect the regional diversity of Greece, there is more to Greece than Attica and Thessaloniki.
Hope you can also do something to prevent the spread of Skopjian propaganda on this site......
Reaper-strain December 3rd, 2007, 03:47 PM This is why I miss kon. He would even go into Domus.L and close down their propaganda threads.
MetroGuardian December 3rd, 2007, 04:13 PM So guys, if you observe somewhere a misrepresentation of our country, in Euroscrapers or elsewhere, report it to me so that we can take immediate action. The jurisdiction of the local mods does not allow direct involvement outside Hellenic Agora, but I can talk to the the Euromods if some people get seriously off the limits, or I can report them if they refer with racist or derogative terms towards our country.
Remember, this thread was made so that we can all express our suggestions. So keep doing it!
krainer December 3rd, 2007, 04:58 PM Reaper I think you are one of the very few users (if not the only one) that miss Kon. Give MetroGardian a break, he hadn't even had the time to implement his duties and improve the Greek forum and you are already bashing him. Jeez!
Reaper-strain December 3rd, 2007, 06:44 PM I was one of the first to fight with Kon due to the fact that when i started a thread on Polikatikies (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=466581), he went ballistic saying that those who said they were ugly were not taking into account those living there ect ect. The thread was ruined. However, I never feared him doing the right thing when it came to being civil, arguments and defending Greece from Fyrom nationals which he never let us down. He was not politically correct and that was the key to his success and the reason there were so few banning's in our forum, but everyone respected everyone despite arguments. Yes I miss him. I thought the whole idea of the election was someone to help him out, not for him to leave. The idea of one member incharge of everything to do with Greece is ridiculous and many agreed.
krainer December 3rd, 2007, 09:33 PM Kon decided to leave and thus we needed a new mod. And believe me we didn't need an addition to the prior mod, we needed a replacement, now should we need an assistant mod for MetroGardian I'm sure he will be the first to ask for it. I just think it's too soon to judge him like that. Metro got picked out of a democratic procedure and as far as I can tell he is not here to abuse his position, he is currently asking for everyone's opinion as to how we want the forum to become. He already answered to your concerns about provocative comments on national issues.
Reaper-strain December 3rd, 2007, 10:02 PM That is all very nice but it wasn't my question. You have made your judgment on him, I have made mine. Why don't we let time now be the judge. I am sure he does not need you to wipe his nose when he is questioned, he seems more than intelligent enough.
As for your statement on me being the only one to defend Kon, I suggest you read the thread where Kon left and many suggested he stay, but that he needed help. We all have opinions Alemo, but which are right and which our wrong are not for you or anyone to judge, especially now concerning Kon.
krainer December 3rd, 2007, 10:57 PM That is all very nice but it wasn't my question
Um I wasn't really answering to any question
I know that other users asked Kon not to leave, I just said that you are one of the few or maybe the only one who acutally *miss* him.
Second I'm not "wipining" anyone's nose. I know that MetroGardian is intelligent, I wouldn't vote for him otherwise and I'm not speaking on behalf of him I'm just stating my personal opinion and I'm supporting him as a mod which is my right.
We all have opinions Alemo
Exactly...
but which are right and which our wrong are not for you or anyone to judge
I just stated my personal opinion just like you did. Just because my opinion is different than yours it doesn't mean that I "judged". I have the right to disagree and consider something wrong, if that means judging (cause this word could mean more than one things) then excuse me but you don't have the right to tell me that I shouldn't use my free judgment. This isn't 1970 and the mod is no longer Kon.
especially now concerning Kon
Especially (??) about Kon? It's OK to judge anyone else but Kon? And then I'm the one who wipes noses? Jeez, now I know why you liked Kon, you are much more alike than you think.
Anyways, we're getting totally off topic here, I'll leave it there, you got your opinions I got mine, bottom line is that the Greek forum needed a change and now it is getting healthier.
Reaper-strain December 3rd, 2007, 11:36 PM Ok firstly relax.
Now look above. Nicky asked the question about Fyrom, not me. So this:
That is all very nice but it wasn't my question
Um I wasn't really answering to any question
kinda scares me./ The rest of your post I simply do not understand. Perhaps post it in Greek if that is your first language and I will get back to you.
krainer December 3rd, 2007, 11:39 PM Anyways, we're getting totally off topic here, I'll leave it there, you got your opinions I got mine, bottom line is that the Greek forum needed a change and now it is getting healthier.
Nuf said
dewrob December 4th, 2007, 01:08 AM :ohno: hunting for witches...
savas December 4th, 2007, 01:32 AM Hellenic Agora - Improvements & Suggestions
MetroGuardian December 4th, 2007, 08:16 PM Backbone structure of the Forum.
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The forum is severely unbalanced.
The section Photography will be eliminated, nobody seems to care much.
I was surfing through the numerous threads of the main page and there is a huge amount of topics that don't belong there. This page will also be eliminated and a small amount of administrative topics and highlights will reside here.
Most of the topics that belong here will be moved to a "Discussions" section (name yet to be found).
There will also be a Transportation & Infrastructure section.
Athens and
Thessaloniki will remain as is.
The last section will be "Rest of Greece"
Cyprus will certainly have its own section but in a separate position (like Photography now) for increased visibility.
SouthernEuropean December 5th, 2007, 04:14 AM will we put subcategories in Rest of Greece as well?I'd like that..Thessaly..Epirus..etc
NickyF December 5th, 2007, 04:39 AM will we put subcategories in Rest of Greece as well?I'd like that..Thessaly..Epirus..etc
I think we need to add sub-categories......to trully reflect the diversity of Greece......i.e Macedonia, Epirus, Cyclades etc.
SouthernEuropean December 5th, 2007, 04:45 AM yeah exactly..we can't stuff all the Greek diversity in just one sub forum..
Ares_K December 5th, 2007, 05:33 AM How about a geographical poll like this one here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=44457) that works like a map showing in which part of the world everyone in Hellenic Agora lives.
NickyF December 5th, 2007, 06:57 AM And I almost forgot....we also need a sub-category to deal with issues that relate to the mighty.... Hellenic Diaspora. We can't forget this important section of Hellenism....they need to be represented on this forum.
gm2263 December 5th, 2007, 10:30 AM Remarks:
First, it seems that the majority of the "stray" threads of the Hellenic Agora belong to a general discussions section like "Kafeneion" or something similar. As for the rest, others belong to the Athens or Thessaloniki or the "Nationwide" - "Panethnikon" section, or something like,that.
We should aim for a structure that will allow further expansion and subdivision without having to move many threads from one section to the other in case the number of threads increases dramatically .
Also, the photography section has to somehow be preserved in essence, probably renamed to "landscapes" in order to reflect on all images that are related to the beautiful Greek countryside, or threads which are not strictly related to arhitecture and constructions, 9including of course,general photography.
Also, there are two threads that used to be sticky ones but have ben unstickified for an unknown reason, the one relating to new projects and the other related to constructions in progress. I believe that they should be merged and the merged thread to be stickyfied. I am not sure whether Athens, Tessaloniki or any other regional subthread should have their own constructions subforums.
Finally, a sports/ stadiums section may be organised...:)
...and that's not all, wait for more.
MetroGuardian December 5th, 2007, 11:50 AM Thank you all for your suggestions. I am waiting ideas on this from everybody. Remember thought that we are talking about an organization scheme. So, it hardly drives any demand for threads.
In order to preserve the photography thread, there should exist a substantial number of posts that belong there, or an important new flow of posts. Hosting 9 threads - each one with hardly an important number of views, thus interest -, almost all of which suit easily to other categories, I don't find any meaning in keeping such a section. It doesn't help anyone to navigate or find something easier.
southereuropean,
I wouldn't like to see more subsections for each individual regions. Even Thessaloniki, the second most important city after Athens, hardly has many or diverse threads, despite the important efforts of its members There can be dedicated threads inside the "Rest of the Greece" (or a more suitable name), for each region, archiving all the relative posts to a city/region.
NickyF,
Several of our members belong to the Greek Diaspora and dedicate a substantial effort to the forum. However, I don't find enough diaspora-specific threads to start a new section especially for them.
gm2263
The same counts for a section specific for stadiums. I am not sure if there are enough threads. The only possibility would be to create a special section including sports news and venues. But to be honest with you, I think it doesn't suit the purpose of the forum. There are other places, dedicated and specialized that everybody can visit and discuss. The idea is not just to produce a large number of new members/posts/threads, but also stick to the objective of the forum. We are good at it, let's keep doing it.
- Also on a last note. The large number of threads in the "several" category is due to the omission to move them to their suitable section, ~half of them don't belong to discussions.
The region - roll call, is on the works, inspired exactly from the thread you have suggested, Ares.
I am in favor of organic growth and not artificial. If there are many people that concentrate in a specific category of posts that have substantial differences from others and need to be organized in an individual category for usability reasons I will create it. Otherwise we stick to the current scheme each time, until this occurs, or seems to start occurring and needs a small push - justifiable be the needs of the forum.
As for the sticky threads, there is an ongoing effort to renovate them and the current status is not permanent.
MetroGuardian December 5th, 2007, 01:17 PM I am rethinking of the suggestion to add specialized sections for the regions of Greece, but not as sub-subections of "Rest of the Greece" but brand new ones, to help with navigation. What do you think of this Scheme:
Athens - Attica
Thessaloniki - Northern Greece (Macedonia,Thrace)
Central Greece (Thessaly, Sterea)
Western Greece (Peloponnese, Epirus, Ionian Islands)
Aegean (Creta, Aegean Islands)And a special section WorldWideGreece for everything, including diaspora, general compilations about Greece, photograpy.
Update, the Infrastructure section to: Infrastructure - Transportation - Stadiums.
Cyprus, moves to its own division, like I said.
General Discussions, we still miss a sexy name.
(Keep adding proposals, to see how we can merge them. You know what they say about committee decisions though ...)
Ares_K December 5th, 2007, 02:15 PM Cafe Απέραντο γαλάζιο...οπως η ταινια, αλλα στ'αγγλικά δε μου βγαινει το ιδιο ομορφο.... ή Eternal blue, timeless blue.. κατι τετοιο. Endless Blue Cafe..? και στην περιγραφη απο κατω "καφε απέραντο γαλάζιο".
Βαζεις δύσκολα τωρα...
LEAFS FANATIC December 5th, 2007, 04:29 PM Cafe Απέραντο γαλάζιο...οπως η ταινια, αλλα στ'αγγλικά δε μου βγαινει το ιδιο ομορφο.... ή Eternal blue, timeless blue.. κατι τετοιο. Endless Blue Cafe..? και στην περιγραφη απο κατω "καφε απέραντο γαλάζιο".
Βαζεις δύσκολα τωρα...
What about "Infinite Blue Cafe"?
Reaper-strain December 5th, 2007, 10:04 PM I know this may sound a bit out there, but I would love a section for art. Encompassed in this would be street art, conceptual art and sculpture. I certainly have a lot to post there!
MetroGuardian December 6th, 2007, 03:30 AM The forum has to get out of quarantine this week.
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Attacks on Views
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MetroGuardian December 6th, 2007, 02:12 PM This is my final proposal for the structure of the forum. I will submit it by tomorrow. Make your last suggestions.
Greece
Athens
Metropolitan Athens
Thessaloniki & Northern Greece
Thessaloniki, Macedonia & Thrace
Central Greece
Thessaly & Sterea Hellas
Western Greece
Peloponnese, Ionian Islands & Epirus
Aegean Islands
Creta & Aegean Islands
Cyprus
Republic of Cyprus
My Agora
WorldWide Greeks
International and Nationwide Themes, Greek Diaspora, Arts & Spectacles
Infrastructure
Transportation, Stadiums, Business
Grand Bleu - Club
General Discussions, Politics, History & Science.
Notes: If there is significant interest in special categories, like Art or Photography I will initialize new sections.
The title of the movie is French: Le Grand Bleu.
In US it was distributed as: The Big Blue
In Greece is was renamed to: Απέραντο Γαλάζιο.
krainer December 6th, 2007, 03:50 PM The forum has to get out of quarantine this week.
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Political Discussions
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Trolls and Spammers
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Inflammatory Threads
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Advices & Suggestions
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Alrighty, everything sounds good and reasonable except
The use of excessive swearing is disallowed except in elegant cases, according to my personal taste.
I'll be honest, that part I didn't like it so much, in fact I don't totally understand it.
Hehe I guess you meant it in a different way than it sounds?
MetroGuardian December 6th, 2007, 05:13 PM Ευτυχώς που υπάρχει και κάποιος που διαβάζει τα όσα γράφω.
Εννοείται πώς αυτή και άλλη μια πρόταση δεν θα συμπεριληφθούν στο τελικό κείμενο.
Θα παρακαλούσα και τα υπόλοιπα μέλη να συνεισφέρουν στη συζήτηση. Μέχρι τώρα μιλούν οι συνήθεις υπόπτοι. Αν σας καλύπτει η άποψη κάποιου άλλου μέλους πλήρως, γράψτε συμφωνώ. Αυτό θα χρησιμοποιηθεί για να διαμορφωθεί η σχετική βαρύτητα ως προς τις διαφορετικές προτάσεις και θα βοηθήσετε και εμένα να αποφασίσω. Αν δεν σας ενδιαφέρει το θέμα, μην περιμένετε να εισακουστούν όποια παράπονα ή προτάσεις σας για τους κανονισμούς εκ των υστέρων.
Ares_K December 6th, 2007, 06:15 PM Deleted..
I thought it over again about the categories proposed under Greece and changed my mind. So personally i agree.
SouthernEuropean December 6th, 2007, 06:51 PM MetroGardian thanks for finally including subcategories about Greece..also..is Grand Bleu the final name of our skybar? and what exactly is WorldWide Greeks?is it like someone said about posting art,talking about important Greek personalities in a more formal way..etc?
pilotos December 6th, 2007, 09:06 PM Πολύ ωραία η νέα δομή, συμφωνώ απόλυτα στην προτεινόμενη μορφή, το μόνο που δεν μου αρέσει είναι το όνομα του χώρου γενικών συζητήσεων, άλλα δεν έχω να αντιπροτείνω κάτι προς το παρόν δυστυχώς.
MetroGuardian December 6th, 2007, 09:39 PM Ναι κι εμένα δεν μου αρέσει πολύ για να είμαι ειλικρινής. Αν και η ιδέα με το απέραντο γαλάζιο ήταν γενικά καλή
Deep Blue Cafe?
Infinite Blue Bar?
Επιπλέον το WorldWide Greeks, πιθανότατα θα γίνει WorldWide & NationWide
Με παρουσιάσεις ξένων τόπων και έργων, θέματα Ελληνικού ενδιαφέροντος - υπερτοπικά (παραλίες στην Ελλάδα, μοντέρνα κτίρια στην Ελλάδα, τέχνη και θεάματα κτλ). Επιπλέον παρουσιάσεις θεμάτων της Ελληνικής ομογένειας.
Επειδή θέλω να τελειώσουμε με τη δομή για να αρχίσει το συμμάζεμα του forum, αν κάποιος έχει κάποια εξαιρετική ιδέα για το General Discussions section, ας τη ρίξει στο τραπέζι!
Θα άνοιγα ένα poll, αλλά δεν έχουμε καν αξιόλογα nominations.
Το Hellenic Agora είναι reserved για το όνομα του forum, καθώς από όσους απάντησαν η πλειοψηφία το προτιμά από Greek Forum. Αλλιώς θα ήταν ο τέλειος υποψήφιος.
Κάτι άλλο σε αρχαιοελληνικό μπορεί να είναι Κοινό Ελλήνων.
ή Symposium.
Όποια βοήθεια είναι καλοδεχούμενη.
Cerises December 6th, 2007, 10:28 PM What about "Infinite Blue Cafe"?
In Greek it sounds quite nice and the English version isn't bad either.
Ναι κι εμένα δεν μου αρέσει πολύ για να είμαι ειλικρινής. Αν και η ιδέα με το απέραντο γαλάζιο ήταν γενικά καλή
Deep Blue Cafe?
Infinite Blue Bar?
Όποια βοήθεια είναι καλοδεχούμενη.
Those are good sugestions too! Some other one's.... "Cafe Mythos", "Arete cafe", "Cafe Logos" or maybe even something with the word
"8alassa" in it? These are just some suggestions and they are in Greek but English is more then welcomed too and I hope that even more ideas will be presented before a final decision is made!
And regarding the overall restructuring of the Hellenic Agora it is coming together very well! Great job to MetroGuardian and everyone involved! :cheers:
agnwstos December 6th, 2007, 10:57 PM This is my final proposal for the structure of the forum. I will submit it by tomorrow. Make your last suggestions.
Greece
Athens
Metropolitan Athens
Thessaloniki & Northern Greece
Thessaloniki, Macedonia & Thrace
Central Greece
Thessaly & Sterea Hellas
Western Greece
Peloponnese, Ionian Islands & Epirus
Aegean Islands
Creta & Aegean Islands
Cyprus
Republic of Cyprus
My Agora
WorldWide Greeks
International and Nationwide Themes, Greek Diaspora, Arts & Spectacles
Infrastructure
Transportation, Stadiums, Business
Grand Bleu - Club
General Discussions, Politics, History & Science.
Αυτή η κατηγοριοποίηση πιστεύω είναι πολύ ωραία και συμφωνώ με αυτήν. :)
NickyF December 7th, 2007, 12:52 AM Here is my proposal, following on from agnostos suggestions:-
Greece
Athens-City,Metropolitan Area and Attica
Thessaloniki-CityMetropolitan Area and Region
Northern Greece-Macedonia & Thrace
Central Greece-Thessaly & Sterea Hellas
Western Greece-Ionian Islands & Epirus
Southern Greece- The Peloponese
Aegean Islands-Creta & Aegean Islands
Cyprus
My Agora
WorldWide Greeks-International and Nationwide Themes, Greek Diaspora, The Arts and Contemporary Culture
Infrastructure- Transportation, Stadiums, Business and Cultural facilities
Aegean Odyssey -General Discussions, Politics, History & Science.
MetroGuardian December 7th, 2007, 02:26 AM Thank you NikcyF (but what were exactly agnwstos suggestions? - I think he liked the structure as is). Still, I find that splitting Greece into 5 sections is already too much and Ι don't want to see it even thinner - some areas will have virtually nothing inside.
However, I like the subtitle "Arts & Contemporary Culture"
Also Odyssey sounds good, but why Aegean?
This "general discussions title" is so trivial, yet so difficult to converge to a satisfying solution:
Debate
Round Table
-
Dialectics
Greek Odyssey
Logos & Mythos (Cherry hybrid)
Hellenic Odyssey (NickyF hybrid)
-
Infinite Blue Cafe (Leafs, Ares)
Deep Blue Bar
Pelagos
I kind of like Symposium, because Greeks always eat and drink and celebrate when they talk from ancient times till this day. Is there anyone in support?
SouthernEuropean December 7th, 2007, 02:37 AM i am-i like Symposium...a lot actually.
btw about Hellenic Agora....i quite like the name but still i have strong doubts whether we should change the name to something easier for other or actually add something like Greece or..i dont know...hmm
anyway Symposium is nice.
Reaper-strain December 7th, 2007, 02:37 AM I say we call it Club Tropicana after one of our most famous clubs/bars
krainer December 7th, 2007, 08:06 AM Does it really have to be a club, bar or a cafe? And BTW Club Tropicana? :nono:
Ares_K December 7th, 2007, 08:09 AM Symposium sounds very nice to me.:okay:
A question though. A subject like traditional architecture across Greece, which of those categories does it fall under?
neorion December 7th, 2007, 08:34 AM I like Symposium also, quite suitable imho.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium
Great that World-Wide Greeks is included as well, but perhaps the Arts & Spectacles section should be separted from that.
Good proposals and initiatives for the H.A. at last!!
pilotos December 7th, 2007, 04:15 PM Symposium, that sounds great!
GrigorisSokratis December 7th, 2007, 05:55 PM This is my final proposal for the structure of the forum. I will submit it by tomorrow. Make your last suggestions.
Greece
Athens
Metropolitan Athens
Thessaloniki & Northern Greece
Thessaloniki, Macedonia & Thrace
Central Greece
Thessaly & Sterea Hellas
Western Greece
Peloponnese, Ionian Islands & Epirus
Aegean Islands
Creta & Aegean Islands
Cyprus
Republic of Cyprus
My Agora
WorldWide Greeks
International and Nationwide Themes, Greek Diaspora, Arts & Spectacles
Infrastructure
Transportation, Stadiums, Business
Grand Bleu - Club
General Discussions, Politics, History & Science.
Notes: If there is significant interest in special categories, like Art or Photography I will initialize new sections.
The title of the movie is French: Le Grand Bleu.
In US it was distributed as: The Big Blue
In Greece is was renamed to: Απέραντο Γαλάζιο.
Since this is a national sub-forum and not state one, I would prefer not having Greece and Cyprus separated. Furthermore, Thessaloniki is far too big with many issues regarding only Thessaloniki (we're talking about a 1.1 million city). So my suggestion is this:
Regions:
Athens (as simple as that, no metropolitan, or such things, nothing easier than calling the city by its name and understanding instantly we're talking about Athens. All right, maybe an Athens - Attika (or Attiki) sub-division would make too)
Thessaloniki
Macedonia and Thrace
Central Greece - Thessaly & Sterea Ellada
Western Greece - Peloponnese, Ionian Islands & Epirus
Aegean Islands & Crete
Cyprus
General themes:
Infraestructure works and architecture
Economy issues
Symposium (This name is great IMO, great choice Metro!)
What do you think guys?
Reaper-strain December 7th, 2007, 07:14 PM Infrastructure and architecture will be covered in each section, why make a seperate section for it?
I would replace this section with a section for the arts.
MetroGuardian December 7th, 2007, 08:20 PM Thank you everybody for your suggestions. I have set my mind. I tried to combine the best proposals from everybody without making the forum too thin.
The theory of taxonomy states that there is not perfect classification (in the sense that no two topics should belong simultaneously to the same category) except for a single case. The one that every topic has its own section.
Given this fact, every attempt is an approximation that fights in the trade-off between perfect and usable classification. The process we followed here, though no standard, is similar to the way catalogs and
categories for a novel application are designed. I believe we have reached a stable and reasonable solution. Still, the process will never end, it is dynamic and there will always be reorganization when is needed.
I hope you'll like the new structure of the forum and that it will help Agora get stronger. Now, just wait a little bit to see the final version, because the implementation might take some time. You'll watch it happening.
Cheers :cheers:
Olympios December 7th, 2007, 08:27 PM Metropolitan Athens is great and I prefer the use of the term Macedonia and not Northern Greece.
gm2263 December 7th, 2007, 10:07 PM errr, Hellenic Symposium maybe?
or "Endless Blue Cafe"?
Reaper-strain December 8th, 2007, 02:09 AM Metropolitan Athens is great and I prefer the use of the term Macedonia and not Northern Greece.
I think it is important we do this.
Skaros December 8th, 2007, 01:11 PM Φίλε Metro πιστεύω ότι η Πελοπόννησος δεν είναι western Greece.
Ηχεί πολύ περίεργα και δεν αντιπροσωπεύει την πραγματικότητα.
Η Λακωνία και η Μεσσηνία π.χ. είναι καθαρά νότια Ελλάδα όπως και σχεδόν όλη η πελοπόννησος.(south greece)
Δεν ξέρω τι λένε και τα υπόλοιπα παιδιά αλλά τουλάχιστον η Πελοπόννησος για πολλούς λόγους (γεωγραφικούς ,ιστορικούς, κτλπ) θα έπρεπε να είναι ξεχωριστά.
Από τη στιγμή που γίνεται αναφορά σε ονομασίες (thrace,macedonia) θα έπρεπε να αναφέρεται και η πελοπόννησος ξεχωριστά. Επίσης σε όλους τους επισκέπτες της χώρας (τουρίστες ή μη) ο όρος peloponnese είναι παρα πολύ οικίος καθώς η πελοπόννησος είναι αγαπητός προορισμός.
Στο υποthread western greece θα μπορούσε να είναι όλα τα Ιόνια , η ήπειρος και η αιτωλοακαρνανία.
MetroGuardian December 8th, 2007, 01:26 PM Παιδιά όπως είδατε υλοποιήθηκαν όλες οι αλλαγές και μένει η μεταφορά των threads στην κατάλληλη θέση. Αυτό μπορεί να πάρει λίγο χρόνο.
Τώρα ξέρω ο καθένας έχει τις προτιμήσεις του, αλλά ήδη υπάρχουν πάρα πολλές υποενότητες. Έκανα μια παραχώρηση για τη Μακεδονία και γιατί η περιοχή έχει πολλά θέματα και για να είναι εμφανές ότι η Μακεδονία είναι πρωταρχικά κομμάτι της Ελλάδος.
Όπως είπα και πριν ο μόνος τρόπος για να κάνεις τέλεια ταξινόμηση είναι να δώσεις σε κάθε topic κα το δικό του section. Τότε όμως δεν οργανώνεις τίποτα.
Skaros κι εγώ Πελοποννήσιος είμαι αλλά πραγματικά δεν πήγαινε παραπάνω. Αν δούμε ότι η Πελοπόννησος έχει τόσα πολλά θέματα θα πάρει τη δική της κατηγορία. Τώρα για το που ανήκει γεωγραφικά. Ως προς την πλήρη έκταση της χώρας είναι δυτικά.
Skaros December 8th, 2007, 01:35 PM Καταλαβαίνω τι λες και συμφωνώ,ομως έστω ένα southwest greece θα ήταν καλύτερο.
Κάποιος διαβάζοντας την κατάτμηση νομίζει ότι δεν υπάρχει νότια ελλάδα.
Δυτικά είναι όλη η ηπειρωτική ελλάδα (εκτός θράκης) συγκριτικά με τα νησία.
Στην ίδια ευθεία με την καλαμάτα είναι και η καστοριά αλλά το ένα είναι βοράς το άλλο νότος.
Ίσως στο κεντρική ελλάδα να πήγαινε πακέτο η ήπειρος με τη θεσσαλία και στη νότια ελλάδα (south greece) η Στερεά με την πελοπόννησο (ακόμα και με κλιματικούς όρους , βλάστηση , χλωρίδα κτλπ) πάλι υπάρχει τεράστια διαφορά μεταξύ μετσόβου και μάνης ώστε να θεωρούνται και τα δύο στο ίδιο thread.
Δηλαδή καλύτερα η κατηγοριοποίηση με βάση το γεωγραφικό πλάτος.
Ευχαριστώ και επι τη ευκαιρία συγχαρητήρια , είμαι σίγουρος ότι θα είσαι πολύ καλός admin :)
Christos7 December 8th, 2007, 07:51 PM Wow, everything looks perfect. Excellent job.
Sodnal December 9th, 2007, 01:36 AM Just got back from a week in the far east. I like the new format! Congrats to those who gussied up the forum! :)
skylinearth December 10th, 2007, 02:04 PM Metrogardian απλά άψογος και όλοι όσοι προτείνατε αυτές τις ιδέες! Συγχαρητήρια!
Demetrius December 10th, 2007, 05:15 PM Μπορεί απλά να μου έχει διαφύγει, αλλά συνέβει κάτι με το thread:"Athens scysrapers .....II the reload"?, Δεν μπορώ να το βρω!
Εdit: Ο.Κ. Mόλις το είδα!
Edit2: Needless to say a big BRAVO to MG for the new image of the Hellenic Agora! Keep up the good work pal!
Cerises December 10th, 2007, 07:12 PM Our forum is looking very good and organized! Congratulations to everyone who helped in this process!!!
Spartan_X December 11th, 2007, 10:16 AM Our forum never looked better than now :)
MetroGuardian December 11th, 2007, 04:08 PM Θέλω να απευθύνω ένα μεγάλο ευχαριστώ στον Σάββα (savas), για τον επανασχεδιασμό όλων των banner της Ελληνικής αγοράς, και για το χρόνο του που μας τον αφιέρωσε αφιλοκερδώς. Τον ευχαριστώ για άλλο ένα "θέμα έκπληξη" που προετοιμάζουμε μαζί στο οποίο έχει διαθέσει επίσης το ταλέντο του.
Τα κλειστά threads, επικεφαλίδες των κατηγοριών, θα χρησιμεύσουν ώς ευρετήρια πόλεων και θεμάτων. Επιπλέον θα περιλαμβάνουν συμβουλές και ερωταπαντήσεις για το σκοπό και το περιεχόμενο των threads που μπορούν να αναρτηθούν στο συγκεκριμένο section.
ELLIN December 11th, 2007, 05:08 PM I idea mou einai na apomononoume osous maurizoun ti Elliniki agora kai thavoun tin idia tous tin xora!!!!!!Eimai poli pikramenos gia afto
Koitaxe pos o nastyathenian se international forum gia to IMO....perigraphei tin poli tou kai to IMO...........gia na deite oti oi ragiades kai efialtes epizoun akoma
Originally Posted by nastyathenian
Having visited several German-speaking cities, I can understand erbsenzaehler’s way of thinking.
Compared to them Athens looks like the epitome of urban ugliness, just one step better than Cairo.
As for the museum, IMO it is even uglier than the surrounding apartment buildings.
Akoma kai an afti einai i apopsi tou to na prosvalei tin idia tou tin poli mesa edo...otan oli prospathoume na provalume tis veltioseis pou ginonte kai tin prospatheia provolis kai ton pleonektimaton tis....o nastyathenian mas thavei!!!!!!!!!!
Elpizo na ton steiloume sto Londino na mas zitisei kai tin politistiki mas klironomia piso....!!!
An afto einai apopsi....kai tropos thapsimatos se general developements thread......ti na po????
Exo idi enimerosi to skyscrapercity gia afto
MetroGuardian December 11th, 2007, 05:33 PM Ο κάθε χρήστης είναι ελεύθερος να εκφράσει τις απόψεις του είτε μας αρέσουν είτε όχι, είτε είναι θετικές, είτε είναι αρνητικές και για τη χώρα μας. Αν δεν εφκράζεται χρησιμοποιώντας χαρακτηρισμούς (ένα μέτρο για να διαφυλαχθεί η ομαλότητα των συζητήσεων και όχι για να προστατευθεί κάποιος ηθικός περιορισμός) προς άλλα μέλη, μπορεί να εκφέρει όποια άποψη επιθυμεί. Όσοι είναι αντίθετοι με αυτή την άποψη μπορούν να τον αντιμετωπίσουν φέροντας αντεπιχειρήματα ή αγνοώντας τον.
Το skyscrapercity και η Ελληνική αγορά είναι χώρος συζητήσεων και διαλόγου. Δεν εκπροσωπούν ούτε υπηρετούν καμία χώρα, καμία κυβέρνηση και καμία άποψη. Την ευθύνη για αυτό τη φέρουν τα μέλη του, που είναι απολύτως ελεύθερα να κάνουν κάτι τέτοιο αν το επιθυμούν και εφόσον δεν παραβιάζουν τους θεμελιώδες κανόνες συζητήσεων που διέπουν το forum.
Κανένας χρήστης δεν απομονώνεται, ούτε απομακρύνεται αν δεν έχει παραβιάσει σοβαρά τον κανονισμό της Ελληνικής Αγοράς ή του Skyscrapercity.
mitasis December 11th, 2007, 06:07 PM Απλώς θα ήθελα να καταθέσω κι εγώ την άποψή μου (αν και άργησα μιας και δεν το παρακολούθησα το θέμα από την αρχή και τις μέρες που συζητιόταν) σχετικά με το θέμα της ονομασίας του forum. Πιστεύω ότι το όνομα Greece είναι πιο αντιπροσωπευτικό και η καταναγκαστική χρήση των όρων "hellenic" και "agora" οι οποίοι στους ξένους δεν λένε τίποτα, μάλλον δεν βοηθάει την ελληνική ενότητα του skyscrapercity. Αυτό απλώς ως παρατήρηση.
Επίσης θα αναφερθώ σε ένα θέμα που οδήγησε παλιότερα σε μεγάλη διένεξη μεταξύ εμού και του Κωνσταντινούπολις σχετικά με τη χρήση του σταυρού στα banners. Αυτό το αναφέρω κατ' αρχήν χωρίς καμία διάθεση αντιπαράθεσης με τον Σάββα (παρεμπιπτόντως χίλια μπράβο Σάββα για την προσπάθειά σου και το αισθητικό αποτέλεσμα είναι πάρα πολύ καλό) απλώς θεωρώ ότι θα ήταν πιο σωστό να μπει ως σήμα η ίδια η ελληνική σημαία παρά αυτός ο σκέτος σταυρός. Στη σχετική συζήτηση τότε ο Σάββας τόνισε ότι το σήμα αυτό αντιπροσωπεύει την ελληνική σημαία, αλλά η διαφωνία μου δεν πρόλαβε να εκδηλωθεί αφού είχαμε τις γνωστές καταλήξεις (brig, ban, delete, lock κλπ κλπ) Απλώς τώρα που άλλαξε η κατάσταση θεώρησα ότι ίσως μπορούμε να έχουμε κάποια δεύτερη σκέψη στο θέμα, διότι κατά τη γνώμη μου ο σκέτος σταυρός δείχνει κάποια μεροληπτική θρησκευτική χροιά στα banners ενώ η χρήση της ελληνικής σημαίας απλώς θα δήλωνε τελείως ουδέτερα ότι πρόκειται για banners του ελληνικού forum.
Επαναλαμβάνω όλα αυτά χωρίς καμία διάθεση παρεξήγησης με τον Σάββα του οποίου τη δουλειά και τις ώρες που ξόδεψε γι' αυτή σέβομαι απολύτως.
Olympios December 11th, 2007, 06:27 PM ^^Εφόσον ο σταυρός είναι σε μπλε υπόβαθρο σε όλα τα banners είναι προφανές ότι υποδηλώνει την ελληνική σημαία. Το όνομα της αγοράς είναι, νομίζω, κατανοητό από τους ξένους και αντιστοιχεί στην επίσημη ονομασία της χώρας.
krainer December 12th, 2007, 12:18 AM Συμφωνω mitasis με ό,τι είπες. Τόσο για το θέμα της ονομασίας, όσο και για το θέμα του σταυρού στο banner.
Κάθως επίσης και ότι ο Σάββας έχει κάνει εξαιρετική δουλειά και το ευχαριστούμε πολύ. Κατλαβαίνω πως το σήμα είναι απλώς ανιπροσωπευτικό της ελληνικής σημαίας και ότι αυτό ήταν το σεκπτικό του Σάββα, απλώς εμένα ο σκέτος σταυρός που κάθεται κάπως άσχημα, αντιπροσωπεύει παραπάνω την εκκλησία και λιγότερο την Ελλάδα. Δε με ενοχλεί βέβαια και ιδιαίτερα, άλλες χώρες έχουν αποκλειστικά το σταυρό ως σημαία στο κάτω κάτω (βλέπε Σκανδιναβικές χώρες - Ελβετία) Όπως και να'χει γραφιστικά είναι εξαιρετική δουλειά.
ELLIN December 12th, 2007, 12:30 AM Ο κάθε χρήστης είναι ελεύθερος να εκφράσει τις απόψεις του είτε μας αρέσουν είτε όχι, είτε είναι θετικές, είτε είναι αρνητικές και για τη χώρα μας. Αν δεν εφκράζεται χρησιμοποιώντας χαρακτηρισμούς (ένα μέτρο για να διαφυλαχθεί η ομαλότητα των συζητήσεων και όχι για να προστατευθεί κάποιος ηθικός περιορισμός) προς άλλα μέλη, μπορεί να εκφέρει όποια άποψη επιθυμεί. Όσοι είναι αντίθετοι με αυτή την άποψη μπορούν να τον αντιμετωπίσουν φέροντας αντεπιχειρήματα ή αγνοώντας τον.
Το skyscrapercity και η Ελληνική αγορά είναι χώρος συζητήσεων και διαλόγου. Δεν εκπροσωπούν ούτε υπηρετούν καμία χώρα, καμία κυβέρνηση και καμία άποψη. Την ευθύνη για αυτό τη φέρουν τα μέλη του, που είναι απολύτως ελεύθερα να κάνουν κάτι τέτοιο αν το επιθυμούν και εφόσον δεν παραβιάζουν τους θεμελιώδες κανόνες συζητήσεων που διέπουν το forum.
Κανένας χρήστης δεν απομονώνεται, ούτε απομακρύνεται αν δεν έχει παραβιάσει σοβαρά τον κανονισμό της Ελληνικής Αγοράς ή του Skyscrapercity.
Simfono en meri...apla i apopsi mou...einai oti iparhoun apopseis pou pera apo epithetikes stoxevoun stin prosvoli ,kai tin ipovivasi ......kai distixos....apo mena katakritees.....
krainer December 12th, 2007, 12:32 AM Ok I got a question, what kind of threads are we supposed to start under the list with the links to our subforums, I mean on the first page we see when we click on "Hellenic Agora", where there used to be probably most of the threads. Everything seems to be categorized in a subforum (which I really like), but what's that part left for?
MetroGuardian December 12th, 2007, 02:24 AM Simfono en meri...apla i apopsi mou...einai oti iparhoun apopseis pou pera apo epithetikes stoxevoun stin prosvoli ,kai tin ipovivasi ......kai distixos....apo mena katakritees.....
Κοίταξε, ούτε κι εμένα μου αρέσει κάποιος να μιλά υποτιμητικά για τη χώρα μου. Όσο όμως δεν χρησιμοποιεί ρατσιστικά ή υβριστικά σχόλια, αλλά εκφέρει μια προσωπική άποψη, έστω αισθητικής και υποκειμενική - με την οποία δεν συμφωνώ - το θεωρώ μικροπρεπές να του απαγορεύσω να το κάνει, προσωπικά, ενώ επιπλέον ως συντονιστής δεν έχω το δικαίωμα να υποστηρίξω τις απόψεις μου χρησιμοποιώντας - την όποια - ισχύ της θέσεως αυτής για να προωθήσω τη δική μου γνώμη.
Εγώ θεωρώ, ότι η χώρα μας ήταν και έγινε δυνατή, επιβίωσε και επιβιώνει, επειδή άντεξε στις επιθέσεις, όχι επειδή δεν δέχθηκε επιθέσεις. Το ίδιο ισχύει σε άλλες κλίμακες και διαστάσεις για τις ιδέες και τους ανθρώπους.
Η κριτική, είναι θεμιτό να είναι καλόβουλη, όχι για κανένα άλλο λόγο αλλά για να γίνεται ευκολότερα αποδεκτή. Αν όμως αυτό δε συμβαίνει, δεν θα κάτσουμε να σκάσουμε κιόλας. Νομίζω αυτό το Forum είναι ένας μεγάλος προβολέας για τις αναμφισβήτητες φυσικές ομορφιές της χώρας αλλά και τα επιτεύγματα των πολιτών της μέσα στους αιώνες, όταν πραγματικά προσπάθησαν για το καλύτερο. Η χώρα μας έχει προβλήματα, τα γνωρίζουμε όλοι και τα βλέπουμε. Δεν γίνεται να προβάλουμε μόνο τα θετικά αν θέλουμε κάποτε να βελτιωθούμε και να είμαστε αντικειμενικοί.
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Alemo:
Το κεντρικό forum, είναι δεσμευμένο για administrative θέματα, ανακοινώσεις, directories και highlights της αγοράς. Μπορεί όποιος θέλει να συμμετέχει σε αυτά με ιδέες και προτάσεις, αλλά δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει νέα thread. Θα επανέλθω με ένα συνοπτικό οδηγό για το γιατί, πώς και που τοποθετούμε το κάθε thread.
ellis896 December 12th, 2007, 03:31 AM kallio arga para pote lene..opote tha pw kai gw afto pou exw na pw kai as min ginetai(isws ginei se kana dio xronia apo twra,pote den 3ereis)
ti tha legate anti na exoume mono Eastern Greece,Southern Greece etc na valoume ta
gewgrafika diamerismata tis Ellados opos iparxei to Macedonia,Thrace(kai afta ta 2 na ginontousan split).Etsi tha mporoume sto analogo gewgrafiko diamerisma na vazoume fotografies ktl kai etsi i gewgrafia mas na veltiwnetai kapws :) kai na parameinoun ta alla topics peri kataskevwn kai ta sinafi opos einai kai episis na parameinoun 3exwrista topic opos tis Athinas kai tis Thessalonikis.
H douleia omos egine kai opos eipa einai poli arga afto pou skeftika kai egrapsa alla...kallio arga para pote! :)
ellis896 December 12th, 2007, 03:42 AM episis ta bannerakia pou iparxoun se ola ta topics einai super kai ena megalo bravo ston dimiourgo tous!!
alla kai dw exw ena suggestion kai fisika aaaaaaaan thelete to kanete :)
anti se kathe banneraki apo pisw na grafei me ellinika grammata mia le3i ti tha legate gia kapoia apla sxediakia? px filla elias,menandrous(?)(ekeina ta zig zag ennoo),gewmetrika sximatakiata alla ta spiroidi san saligkaria pou moiazoune(arxizw kai 3exnaw ta ellinika mou signwmi),sximata pou moiazoun me kimata....tetoia sxediakia,apla alla wraia.Kai sto Athina 2004 tetoia den eixane?apo ekei to empnefstika to olo pragma kai to anaferw edw. :)
ELLIN December 12th, 2007, 02:37 PM Κοίταξε, ούτε κι εμένα μου αρέσει κάποιος να μιλά υποτιμητικά για τη χώρα μου. Όσο όμως δεν χρησιμοποιεί ρατσιστικά ή υβριστικά σχόλια, αλλά εκφέρει μια προσωπική άποψη, έστω αισθητικής και υποκειμενική - με την οποία δεν συμφωνώ - το θεωρώ μικροπρεπές να του απαγορεύσω να το κάνει, προσωπικά, ενώ επιπλέον ως συντονιστής δεν έχω το δικαίωμα να υποστηρίξω τις απόψεις μου χρησιμοποιώντας - την όποια - ισχύ της θέσεως αυτής για να προωθήσω τη δική μου γνώμη.
Εγώ θεωρώ, ότι η χώρα μας ήταν και έγινε δυνατή, επιβίωσε και επιβιώνει, επειδή άντεξε στις επιθέσεις, όχι επειδή δεν δέχθηκε επιθέσεις. Το ίδιο ισχύει σε άλλες κλίμακες και διαστάσεις για τις ιδέες και τους ανθρώπους.
Η κριτική, είναι θεμιτό να είναι καλόβουλη, όχι για κανένα άλλο λόγο αλλά για να γίνεται ευκολότερα αποδεκτή. Αν όμως αυτό δε συμβαίνει, δεν θα κάτσουμε να σκάσουμε κιόλας. Νομίζω αυτό το Forum είναι ένας μεγάλος προβολέας για τις αναμφισβήτητες φυσικές ομορφιές της χώρας αλλά και τα επιτεύγματα των πολιτών της μέσα στους αιώνες, όταν πραγματικά προσπάθησαν για το καλύτερο. Η χώρα μας έχει προβλήματα, τα γνωρίζουμε όλοι και τα βλέπουμε. Δεν γίνεται να προβάλουμε μόνο τα θετικά αν θέλουμε κάποτε να βελτιωθούμε και να είμαστε αντικειμενικοί.
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Alemo:
Το κεντρικό forum, είναι δεσμευμένο για administrative θέματα, ανακοινώσεις, directories και highlights της αγοράς. Μπορεί όποιος θέλει να συμμετέχει σε αυτά με ιδέες και προτάσεις, αλλά δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει νέα thread. Θα επανέλθω με ένα συνοπτικό οδηγό για το γιατί, πώς και που τοποθετούμε το κάθε thread.
Pera apo afto metroguardian....fisika kai den to ekana apo mikroprepia alla apo aganaktisi pou iparhoun antropoi pou provaloun to Bretaniko museio sto thread pou ekana gia to IMO kai thelouna na legonte kai Ellines...sinxaritiria gia tin douleia sou....eimai xaroumeno pou to Hellenic agora einai se kala xeria..kai vlepo oti i veltiosi pou epeferes einai simantiki....opote an kai i psifos einai krifi that sou po oti den metaniosa pou se psifisa:)
MetroGuardian December 12th, 2007, 03:10 PM Χεχε, σε ευχαριστώ ELLIN, δεν αναφερόμουν σε εσένα με τη λέξη αυτή προφανώς. Αλλά ρε συ τι μυστική? Ανοικτή ήταν η ψηφοφορία :lol:. Σε ευχαριστώ για τη διατήρηση της εμπιστοσύνης σου πάντως.
ELLIN December 13th, 2007, 02:20 AM Χεχε, σε ευχαριστώ ELLIN, δεν αναφερόμουν σε εσένα με τη λέξη αυτή προφανώς. Αλλά ρε συ τι μυστική? Ανοικτή ήταν η ψηφοφορία :lol:. Σε ευχαριστώ για τη διατήρηση της εμπιστοσύνης σου πάντως.
Mistiki me tin enoia oti den fenotan pios psifizei poion.....:nuts:
i fenotan??
MetroGuardian December 13th, 2007, 11:19 AM Φαινόταν, φαινόταν. Αφού τα είπαμε στους κανονισμούς.
Όσον αφορά τις προτάσεις για τη δομή της αγοράς είναι λίγο αργά για αλλαγές τώρα. Ας δούμε πως δουλεύει το σχήμα αυτό, και αν αποτύχει παταγωδώς το ξαναφτιάχνουμε. Αλλιώς κάνουμε διορθώσεις όπου πάσχει.
Επιπλέον, για τα banners. Έδωσα πλήρη ελευθερία στο Σάββα, να σχεδιάσει τα banners όπως πιστεύει ο ίδιος. Οι οδηγίες μου ήταν πολύ αδρές, ακριβώς γιατί δεν είμαι ειδικός στο θέμα. Αισθητικά, αποκλείεται να βρεθούν όλοι σύμφωνοι. Επειδή βλέπω ότι οι διαφωνίες δεν είναι κάθετες, δεν θα του ζητήσω να τα επανασχεδιάσει. Σημειώστε ότι δεν μπορούμε να ζητάμε και ότι θέλουμε. Εθελοντικά το κάνει ο άνθρωπος.
MetroGuardian December 13th, 2007, 11:28 AM Ερώτημα, που τέθηκε από τον pilotos και απασχολεί και εμένα.
Θεωρείτε ότι πρέπει να υπάρχει ένα thread για κάθε θέμα ή θα πρέπει οι χρήστες να είναι ελεύθεροι να χρησιμοποιούν threads όποτε και όταν το επιθυμούν.
Για παράδειγμα, για τα Τρίκαλα υπάρχουν 3 threads. Πρέπει να τα κάνουμε merge? Όλες οι φωτογραφίες της Θεσσαλίας π.χ. θα πρέπει να μαζευθούν σε ένα thread?
Τι άλλο εξυπηρετεί αυτό εκτός από την οργάνωση? Πιθανότατα διευκολύνει επιπλέον το σχολιασμό.
Δεν έχω καταλήξει ακόμα. Χρειάζομαι τα φώτα σας.
pilotos December 13th, 2007, 11:41 AM Είμαι υπέρ της ένωσης κοινών θεμάτων, για τον απλούστατο λόγο της ευκολίας που αυτο προσφέρει στον αναγνώστη, άλλα και σε εμάς τους ίδιους, αφού βοηθάει και στο να μην ειπωθούν τα ιδια πράγματα πολλές φορές.
Βέβαια οταν λέω "κοινά θέματα" εννοώ απολύτως ίδια, και όχι απλά όμοια ή εξαρτημένα.
krainer December 13th, 2007, 12:37 PM Απ'τν αλλή όμως μπορεί να υπάρξει σύγχυση και μη συνοχή αν ενωθούν δύο ή παραπάνω διαφορετικά threads. Δεν μπορώ βέβαια να είμαι απόλυτος, πρέπει πρώτα να δω πως θα γίνει. Εγώ λέω σε αρχική φάση μα ενωθούν μερικές χτυπητές περιπτώσεις, κατά την άποψή μου σε αυτήν την κατηγορία θα έπεφταν και τα threads:
The Streets of Athens, Greece(http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=531188) και Athens photo thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=232402). Δεν έχω καταλάβει τη διαφορά αυτών των δύο threads.
P.S. Καλό θα ήταν απο εδώ και πέρα να υπάρξει παρότρυνση να μην ανοίγονται δύο διαφορετικά threads με ίδιο ή πολύ παρόμοιο θέμα και σε περίπτωση που γίνει κάτι τέτοιο να τερματίζονται για να μην υπάρχουν μπερδέματα.
MetroGuardian December 13th, 2007, 03:58 PM Ναι, καταλαβαίνω τι εννοείτε. Έκανα κάποιες δοκιμές με παλαιότερα thread που είναι ανενεργά. Οι υπόλοιποι τι πιστεύουν επί του θέματος?
Επιπλέον, πώς σας φαίνεται αυτή η κατηγοριοποίηση σε κάθε section - πριν ξεκινήσω και με τα υπόλοιπα:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557270
ellis896 December 13th, 2007, 05:59 PM gia ta banners itan ena suggestion,oxi na allaxtoun!:)
oso gia to thema me ta themata,giati den kanoume topics i kati me ta gewgrafika diamerismata tis xwras?
Ερώτημα, που τέθηκε από τον pilotos και απασχολεί και εμένα.
Θεωρείτε ότι πρέπει να υπάρχει ένα thread για κάθε θέμα ή θα πρέπει οι χρήστες να είναι ελεύθεροι να χρησιμοποιούν threads όποτε και όταν το επιθυμούν.
Για παράδειγμα, για τα Τρίκαλα υπάρχουν 3 threads. Πρέπει να τα κάνουμε merge? Όλες οι φωτογραφίες της Θεσσαλίας π.χ. θα πρέπει να μαζευθούν σε ένα thread?
px an iparxei topic tis Thessalias,poleis,xwria kai ta sinafi pou vriskontai sto gewgrafiko diamerisma tis Thessalias mporoun na mpoun ekei.Gia Iwannina kai alla xwria kai ta sxetika mporoun na mpoun se topic i kati me onoma ipirotiki ellada i ipiros.
fisika opos exw pei afto einai suggestion kai oxi allagi i tpt tetoio!
mia skepsi mono :)
pilotos December 13th, 2007, 07:15 PM Ναι, καταλαβαίνω τι εννοείτε. Έκανα κάποιες δοκιμές με παλαιότερα thread που είναι ανενεργά. Οι υπόλοιποι τι πιστεύουν επί του θέματος?
Επιπλέον, πώς σας φαίνεται αυτή η κατηγοριοποίηση σε κάθε section - πριν ξεκινήσω και με τα υπόλοιπα:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557270
Πολύ καλή και αυτή η πρόσθεση επιπλέον ευρετηρίου-οδηγού σε κάθε ενότητα, απλά θα προστεθούν αρκετά ακόμα στοιχεία, κατά τα άλλα εξαιρετική !
MetroGuardian December 13th, 2007, 07:52 PM Οκ, νομίζω είναι γενικά σωστή η άποψη σας να υπάρχει ένα θέμα για κάθε πόλη/περιοχή ώστε να μην γίνεται χαμός και να συγκεντρώνεται καλύτερα το υλικό.
Αν κάποιος όμως έχει βγάλει προσωπικές φωτογραφίες, μπορεί να φτιάξει αυτόνομο thread στο section Art & Photography και να τις τοποθετήσει και στο "επίσημο" thread της πόλης αν επιθυμεί. Όποια threads είναι φωτογραφικά τα μεταφέρω στο Art και αφήνω μόνιμο redirect στο αντίστοιχο γεωγραφικό section για να μη χάνεται η συνοχή.
Γενικά θα είμαι όμως ελαστικός. Δηλαδή, αν κάποιος φτιάξει thread για ένα συγκεκριμένο σημείο, κτίριο, στοιχείο μιας πόλης/περιοχής θα το αφήνω ανοικτό. Για παράδειγμα το thread Τεχνόπολις/Ηράκλειο, δεν θα συγχωνευθεί με την πόλη του Ηρακλείου.
Το μόνο πρόβλημα που έχω παρατηρήσει μέχρι τώρα είναι το εξής. Ενώνοντας παλιά threads πόλεων έχουν χαθεί πολλές φωτογραφίες. To merging γίνεται πάντα χρονολογικά και αυτό δείχνει λίγο άσχημο στις πρώτες σελίδες. Ίσως θα πρέπει να ξαναφτιάξουμε ορισμένα threads. Απλά λυπάμαι τον κόπο που έχουν ρίξει ορισμένα παλαιότερα μέλη.
MetroGuardian December 13th, 2007, 10:38 PM Ετελείωσα σύντεκνοι με τις 4 γεωγραφικές περιοχές της χώρας
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557273
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557272
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557270
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=557268
Βλέπω ότι υπάρχει πολύ χώρος για καινούργια threads και εξορμήσεις. Ειδικά Κρήτη, Ήπειρος που είναι απο τις πιο εντυπωσιακές περιοχές της χώρας είναι σχεδόν άδειες. Πολλές πόλεις από όλα τα μέρη δεν έχουν καν μια φωτογραφία.
Αν έχετε δικές σας είναι καλοδεχούμενες ασφαλώς.
Αλλιώς flickr, deviantart, pbase και ότι άλλο γνωρίζετε.
Εξορμήστε!!!
ELLIN December 13th, 2007, 11:17 PM Ερώτημα, που τέθηκε από τον pilotos και απασχολεί και εμένα.
Θεωρείτε ότι πρέπει να υπάρχει ένα thread για κάθε θέμα ή θα πρέπει οι χρήστες να είναι ελεύθεροι να χρησιμοποιούν threads όποτε και όταν το επιθυμούν.
Για παράδειγμα, για τα Τρίκαλα υπάρχουν 3 threads. Πρέπει να τα κάνουμε merge? Όλες οι φωτογραφίες της Θεσσαλίας π.χ. θα πρέπει να μαζευθούν σε ένα thread?
Τι άλλο εξυπηρετεί αυτό εκτός από την οργάνωση? Πιθανότατα διευκολύνει επιπλέον το σχολιασμό.
Δεν έχω καταλήξει ακόμα. Χρειάζομαι τα φώτα σας.
Sosta egine enopioisi....iperoxi douleia o savas
Skaros December 14th, 2007, 02:37 AM Bravo metro η αγορά έγινε αγνώριστη! :) :cheers:
Βy the way , is there any image policy? I mean i notice that some users insist of posting non-resized images (huge resolution) and some of us (including me) have problems cause we dont have a huge >21 in. screen.
Metro i dont know if is would be possible to make an announcement and advice the dear coforumers do be a bit carefull before posting and resize their photos.
I would propose a 1024x768 max .
MetroGuardian December 14th, 2007, 05:00 PM You are right Skaros.
Try not to put images larger than 1024x768 (the size of an average screen), except in very special cases (panoramic) and requests. Resize your pictures, or link to very large images.
(I will create a special section with such technicalities about the forum, also what to post and where)
neorion December 15th, 2007, 05:47 PM Great job Metro, but if I were a stickler I'd say that it could be fine-tuned further. For example, the sub-forum titles lack consistency. One title says Macedonia and Thrace, with Northern Greece underneath. Then the others give the geographical parts of Greece with the regional names underneath. Also there seems to be inconsistency in the naming. Some names are from Greek direct, such as Sterea Hellas, yet the Anglicised for Peloponnese etc is also used. Anyway, don't want to nit-pick and not hugely important, just thought I'd point it out. I do this sort of 'tweeking' as part of my work, so perhaps I just notice these things more!!
Overall the H.A looks great...Well done!!
MetroGuardian December 15th, 2007, 06:03 PM I am aware of what you are saying and they are intentionally so, neorion. First of all Macedonia is a title and not a subtitle to emphasize it. Secondly, the translation of Sterea Hellas is Continental Greece, which I believe is even more inconsistent, so I used the first one.
When you are saying "some" you mean only those, or are there more?
NickyF January 23rd, 2008, 05:42 AM Why are there no threads on the Zahopoulos saga ?
I'm not interesteding the DVD evidence, I just want to know if eveyone is aware of the large number of 'dodgy' decisions taken by KAS with Zahopoulos in charge in relation to the development of certain historical sites.
Is this a banned topic ?
krainer January 23rd, 2008, 01:27 PM I don't think it's banned. LOL, who is gonna "ban" it and why? Probably nobody is really interested in this media parody. Unveiling the truth is one thing and seeing this media circus is another. They make me sick, all of them, journalists and politicians.
MetroGuardian January 23rd, 2008, 02:44 PM They are not banned at all. If anybody is interested he can always start a thread in the Symposium section.But I would suggest, for a more kinky and yellowish atmosphere on the matter, to visit: press-gr.blogspot.com and prezatv.blogspot.com.
MetroGuardian January 27th, 2008, 01:21 PM Συζητούσαμε με το Σκάρο για κάποια πρακτικά θέματα, ώστε να γίνει το Ελληνικό φόρουμ ακόμη καλύτερο. Θέλω να ακούσω τις δικές σας ιδέες, την κριτική, τι σας ενοχλεί, τι θέλετε να αλλάξει, τι βρίσκετε χρήσιμο.
Έχω φτιάξει μια λίστα κάποια πρακτικά θέματα που αφορούν το άνοιγμα threads και παράθεση εικόνων. Δεν εμπεριέχουν κάποια αυστηρή υποχρέωση, ούτε "ποινή" αν δεν ακολουθούνται πιστά. Θεωρώ όμως ότι μπορούν να κάνουν την παράθεση πληροφοριών πιο αποδοτική και επικερδή για όλους μας.
Αυτό που σκέφτομαι είναι το εξής: Αν κάποιος κάνει μια μικρο-παρέκλιση από αυτά τα πλαίσια την διορθώνω εγώ και λήγει το θέμα. Αν είναι μεγάλη, του ζητάω να το αλλάξει ο ίδιος. Αν έχει σαφή αιτιολόγηση γιατί το έκανε αφήνουμε το thread όπως είναι.
Πρακτικές συμβουλές και συστάσεις
1. Πριν ανοίξετε καινούργιο thread αναζητήστε αυτό που ψάχνετε ή ψάξτε στους καταλόγους του κάθε subforum.
2. Οι τίτλοι των threads πρέπει να είναι σαφείς ως προς το περιεχόμενο τους.
3. Όταν κάνετε κάποιο ερώτημα περιγράψτε επαρκώς τι είναι αυτό που θέλετε να μάθετε
4. Όταν ανοίγετε thread για μια πόλη ή κτίριο καλό είναι να δίνετε κάποια εισαγωγικά στοιχεία, όπως π.χ. τοποθεσία, πληθυσμός, μίνι ιστορικό, μίνι περιγραφή, ή έκταση, αρχιτέκτονας, χρήση.
5. Οι εικόνες που τοποθετείτε πρέπει να μην υπερβαίνουν το μέγεθος 1024x768, εκτός από πολύ ειδικές περιπτώσεις.
6. Προσπαθήστε οι εικόνες που διαθέτετε να έχουν συνοχή στη σειρά παράθεσης και να δίνουν μια συνολική άποψη του θέματος που θέλετε να περιγράψετε. Δεν είναι ανάγκη να γίνεται κατάχρηση με υπεράριθμες φωτογραφίες.
gm2263 January 27th, 2008, 02:31 PM Πολύ σωστός ο Metro. Πολλές φορές, κάτω από χαζούς τίτλους όπως "Κοιτάξτε εδώ, πωπωπω!!!" ή κάτι τέτοιο, κρύβονται πολύ ενδιαφέροντα θέματα που κατ' αυτό τον τρόπο στραγγαλίζονται και χάνονται.
Επίσης, (και αυτό το κάνω, ή τουλάχιστον προσπαθώ), καλό είναι οι τίτλοι των θεμάτων να είναι τέτοιοι που να είναι δυνατή η ανέυρεση τους με μηχανές αναζήτησης. Να σας πω γιατι: Διότι να δείτε το πλήθος των επισκέψεων στα threads σχετικά με "Athens Skyscrapers" θα διαπιστώσετε ότι είναι αδύνατον να έχουν γίνει αντικείμενο τέτοιου ενδιαφέροντος και αριθμού επισκεπτών μόνο από το SSC. Άρα πάει να πεί ότι υπάρχει (και το ξέρω ότι υπάρχει ενδιαφέρον και από εξωτερικούς επισκέπτες. Ας τους δίνουμε λοιπόν την ευκαιρία να μας βρίσκουν καθόσον ο κόσμος έίναι πλέον υποψιασμένος και ψάχνει μετα μανίας να βρεί πληροφορίες σχετικά με τα αντικείμενα του ενδιαφεροντος μας που φυσικά δεν υπάρχουν από τα ΜΜΕ του λαϊκίστικου συρμού.
agnwstos January 27th, 2008, 03:16 PM Συμφωνώ με όλα εκτός του 5 και του 6.
Δεν είναι σωστό να περιοριζόμαστε στις εικόνες ούτε στο μέγεθος ούτε στο νούμερο..για αυτό μπορούμε απλά να δίνουμε links για τις εικόνες που θέλουμε όταν είναι πολλές ή μεγάλες. :)
MetroGuardian January 27th, 2008, 07:32 PM Ευχαριστούμε για τις προτάσεις.
Η παράθεση link είναι απόλυτα θεμιτή όταν το μέγεθος είναι μεγάλο. Ο περιορισμός στο μέγεθος γίνεται για τους χρήστες που έχουν μικρή οθόνη ή χαμηλή ταχύτητα κατεβάσματος. Έχει τύχει να μην μπορώ να δω εικόνα με οθόνη 1680x1050, ενώ να τραβάει κολλήματα σχετικά καινούργιο μηχάνημα από τις εκατοντάδες φωτογραφίες.
Στο μέγεθος ο περιορισμός πιστεύω πως χρειάζεται να είναι σαφής. Και 1024χ768 είναι ένας αρκετά μεγάλος αριθμός ώστε να μην έχουμε πρόβλημα στις περισσότερες περιπτώσεις. Το 6 υπάρχει περισσότερο ως συμβουλή. Το ακριβές νούμερο των φωτογραφιών και το είδος τους είναι στη διάθεση σας.
Όσο για αυτά που λέει ο GM ψάξτε στο Google: Athens Skyscrapers ή Greece skyscrapers και θα καταλάβετε τις εννοεί.
pilotos January 28th, 2008, 09:22 PM Εγώ απλά σκεφτόμουνα πόσο πρακτική θα ηταν η δημιουργια ενος μικρού οδηγού χρήσης, κυρίως για θέματα όπως παράθεση φωτογραφιών, δημιουργία links, αυτό (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=339254) δηλαδή άλλα στα ελληνικά, απλά για να αποφέυγονται ερωτήσεις και να μην κουράζονται και οι νέοι χρήστες που δεν γνωρίζουν πιθανως το forum ακόμα.
Όσο για τις προτασεις που παρέθεσες νομίζω ότι είναι κάποιες πολύ βασικές αρχές, και άρα δεκτές απο μένα.
gm2263 January 29th, 2008, 08:23 PM Πάντως το θέμα του μεγέθους των φωτογραφιών καταντάει τρελλό. Κυριως σε φόρουμς νεοφώτιστων του Ανατολικού μπλοκ, βλέπεις και μέχρι 2500 Χ 1500 που λέει ο λόγος. Ναι, εντάξει, εντυπωσιακά φαίνονται έτσι τα κτίρια, αλλά καταντάει κουραστικό :(
Εξαίρεση φυσικά τα πανοράματα, αλλά και αυτά με μέτρο!!!
MetroGuardian February 2nd, 2008, 02:32 PM Οι πρακτικές συμβουλές αναρτήθηκαν.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=17035444
Κράτησα τις προτάσεις 1,2,4,5 που ήταν πιο σαφείς ως προς το νόημα τους.
MetroGuardian February 3rd, 2008, 04:40 PM Our online book
Is anybody interested in writing an online booklet about skyscrapers-architecture-construction in Greece?
There is so much original content in these threads that is a sin that nobody takes credit for it, while so many people use it.
I am sure, most of you don't have much free time (I don't either), but I am really curious of what the outcome would be!
I want to do it just for the fun! (for the lulz...)
arxeos February 19th, 2008, 03:11 PM this forum is basically standing still the only discussions lately are almost only about Athens and they are about the same topic , would be nice if everyone here told more people to join the forum so we could have some more activity and it would be good if we start talking about more citys and other places whats going and beeing buildt etc.
last time i was in thessaloniki there where alot going on i havent seen anything discussed here and i dont know any other site i could look except stadia and the same thing is going on there as here :(
and new pictures needed in alot of topics :)
MetroGuardian February 19th, 2008, 05:43 PM Let's discuss this topic here.
So, what do the other members thing:
Do we need more exposure to the outer world?
Should we try an effort on our own?
Is the limited interest due to lack of construction news?
Do we lack members in other areas except for Athens and Thessaloniki (and abroad) ?
SouthernEuropean February 22nd, 2008, 03:58 AM hmm .. to begin with let me say that most of the forumers seem not to be as interested in projects outside of Athens and Greece,ignoring really the progress of smaller cities or towns,most are too concentrated on big projects such as skyscrapers,i think it would be nice if we start EXCHANGING some ideas about projects in other places as well.Most of the people also,ignore the Cypriot section :ohno:
+
Also There are many sections on the forum were we could provide info about the projects going on in Greece or simply present our country...etc
anyway the lack of news and updates about current-future projects is a factor contributing to the lack of movement around H.A these days
savas May 11th, 2008, 01:46 PM Θα ήθελα να αναφερθώ στο όνομα της Ελληνικής Αγοράς. Το έχουμε ξανασυζητήσει όμως μετά από την αναδιοργάνωση του Euroscrapers πιστεύω πως αν είναι δυνατόν και το επιθυμούν τα μέλλη να απλοποιούσαμε το όνομα σε Hellenic Agora δίχως δεύτερη σειρά. Νομίζω πως αρμόζει περισσότερο. Ποιές είναι οι απόψεις σας και φυσικά είναι εφικτό (Metro?)
sk May 12th, 2008, 05:43 PM Θα ήθελα να αναφερθώ στο όνομα της Ελληνικής Αγοράς. Το έχουμε ξανασυζητήσει όμως μετά από την αναδιοργάνωση του Euroscrapers πιστεύω πως αν είναι δυνατόν και το επιθυμούν τα μέλλη να απλοποιούσαμε το όνομα σε Hellenic Agora δίχως δεύτερη σειρά. Νομίζω πως αρμόζει περισσότερο. Ποιές είναι οι απόψεις σας και φυσικά είναι εφικτό (Metro?)
Τι εννοεις?Τι ειναι η δευτερη σειρα?
Ares_K May 13th, 2008, 12:29 AM Νομίζω πως εννοεί το "Greece is the word!" που φαίνεται κατω από την Hellenic Agora στο Euroscrapers.
1821 May 28th, 2008, 01:56 PM Has anyone thought about an Ionian Islands sub forum similar to the Aegean Islands sub forum?
pilotos May 28th, 2008, 05:09 PM I don't think so, Ionian islands are not as many as Aegean they are just fine in western Greece :)
1821 May 28th, 2008, 05:26 PM lol yeah I noticed after I posted that they were included. Couldn't be bothered correcting my post, too lazy.
ellis896 June 21st, 2008, 01:34 AM i didn't know where to post this question but....in the past i we could see who's online on the greek forum,now i can't see that anymore.maybe the admins did something and there is a new feature that enables seeing who's online again?
Ares_K June 30th, 2008, 07:39 PM I noticed that too. Perhaps they did it to reduce the workload of the forum database which seems to be in a bad shape for a long time now.
1821 July 1st, 2008, 06:45 AM Bad shape is an understatement lol.
Ares_K July 1st, 2008, 06:41 PM SouthernEuropean, αντί για τη λίστα του Roll Call, Θα μπορούσαμε να χρησιμοποιήσουμε την δυνατότητα του forum για social groups ώστε να έχουμε και ένα ελληνικό ?
Social Groups (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/group.php)
ellis896 October 7th, 2008, 03:48 PM episis skeftika..to na deixnoume mias polis mono ta ktiria kai ta parka einai wraio den lew alla ti tha legate na vazame kai ena sub-forum i kati pou ekei mesa na eixame kathe polis ta metaforika mesa?etsi o kosmos tha vlepei ektos apo wraies poleis exoume kai wraia metaforika mesa hehehe kai den eimaste oute pisw oute isteroume apo alles poleis tou kosmou.kai fisika an exei apories kaneis peri timetables ktl ktl na voithame ekei pera.
Skaros May 2nd, 2009, 05:14 PM I would like to propose a renaming of 2-3 subforums.
More specifically it would be more nice to restructure the geographical sub-forums.
Where is south Greece?
If we "cut" Greece in parallel zones from north to south then its very nice to have :
1) Macedonia and Thrace
2) Central Greece (Epirus , Thessalia)
3) South Greece (Peloponnese and Sterea Ellada)
and a different thread for Crete and the aegean sea islands
The ionian islands could fit in central Greece or south Greece.
In the existing structure while we have parallel zones for central and north Greece we have no south Greece, but only western Greece which is quite false.
The parallel zone structure is more correct since there are more common things between Nafpaktos, Kalamata and Sparta then between Ioannina and Kalamata or Sparta (i am talking about the natural environment, clima, etc)
SouthernEuropean May 2nd, 2009, 05:41 PM Let's see what the rest have to say about that.^^
I would also like to suggest that in the main page instead of having the Greece is the word! tag,we replace it with Greece+Cyprus or Greece and the Republic of Cyprus,or something along these lines.
Also, you know now we've got an Athens link on the Euroscrapers page,how about we add Thessaloniki and Nicosia too?What do you forumites think
arxeos May 8th, 2009, 07:22 PM Sadly the only hot topic in theese forums seems to be Athens maybe once a month someone says something about some other City
1821 May 8th, 2009, 07:32 PM ^A bit like real life, main focus is on Athens.
I like those ideas Southern & Skaros.
Instead of South Greece, call it Southern Greece.
And also, what about Isles of the Aegean & Ionian or something? Group them together.
Skaros May 10th, 2009, 05:53 PM Instead of South Greece, call it Southern Greece.
And also, what about Isles of the Aegean & Ionian or something? Group them together.
I agree, sounds good! :)
1821 May 14th, 2009, 05:12 AM Can we have the area at the bottom where this thread and others are located, tidied up? Perhaps move the needed threads to the Symposium and delete the others?
Demetrius May 31st, 2009, 03:53 PM Με αφορμή τα όσα συμβαίνουν τελευταία στο νήμα "media watch", θα ήθελα να ζητήσω από τα παιδιά που έχουν την ευθύνη για το συντονισμό και το moderation της Ελληνικής Αγοράς να είναι πιο ενεργοί, γιατί αλλιώς βιώνουμε καταστάσεις που καταλήγουν σε προτροπές για αυτο-λογοκρισία και συνεπώς σε περιορισμό της ελευθερίας μας για ελεύθερη έκφραση, πράγμα εξωφρενικό για έλληνες σε ένα υπο-φορουμ που αποτελείται και διαχειρίζεται από έλληνες!
Χωρίς να θέλω, ούτε να επιδιώκω, να θίξω κάποιον προσωπικά, κατά τη γνώμη μου πρέπει επιτέλους να γίνει συνείδηση ΑΠΟ ΟΛΟΥΣ μας ότι όλα μπορούν να εξομαλυνθούν με απλό τρόπο: ΑΓΝΟΗΣΤΕ, ΔΙΑΓΡΑΨΤΕ, ΑΝΑΦΕΡΕΤΕ.
Πιστεύω ότι έτσι θα γράφουμε ότι μας αρέσει, όπως μας αρέσει, στα πλαίσια πάντοτε των κανονισμών.
lysandros July 4th, 2009, 10:27 AM I would like to propose a renaming of 2-3 subforums.
More specifically it would be more nice to restructure the geographical sub-forums.
Where is south Greece?
If we "cut" Greece in parallel zones from north to south then its very nice to have :
1) Macedonia and Thrace
2) Central Greece (Epirus , Thessalia)
3) South Greece (Peloponnese and Sterea Ellada)
and a different thread for Crete and the aegean sea islands
The ionian islands could fit in central Greece or south Greece.
In the existing structure while we have parallel zones for central and north Greece we have no south Greece, but only western Greece which is quite false.
The parallel zone structure is more correct since there are more common things between Nafpaktos, Kalamata and Sparta then between Ioannina and Kalamata or Sparta (i am talking about the natural environment, clima, etc)
Symfwnw me ola.
Ta nhsia tou ioniou isos tha htan kalytera na pan sto central greece
Let's see what the rest have to say about that.^^
I would also like to suggest that in the main page instead of having the Greece is the word! tag,we replace it with Greece+Cyprus or Greece and the Republic of Cyprus,or something along these lines.
Also, you know now we've got an Athens link on the Euroscrapers page,how about we add Thessaloniki and Nicosia too?What do you forumites think
nai se ola!
lysandros July 4th, 2009, 10:40 AM Instead of South Greece, call it Southern Greece.
And also, what about Isles of the Aegean & Ionian or something? Group them together.
Kai afto kala akougete: Aegean & Ionian islands and Crete
Isos..
Can we have the area at the bottom where this thread and others are located, tidied up? Perhaps move the needed threads to the Symposium and delete the others?
Symfono kai me afto alla den kserw an tha einai kalo na svistoun thread....
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