^^
Is very possible that Polonia Warsaw will be play at this stadium, and Legia in most important matches of European cups.

Polonia Warszawa, This team whose current stadium has a capacity for 7000 people and an average attendance of 3000?? Really?
Is like when Warta Poznan plays in Stadion Miejski in Poznan. Is more expensive to use this stadion than the profit of the tickets and advertisement.

And Legia will have one stadium for 35k more or less. I think that more than enough even for European matches (that they don´t use to play so much unfortunately)
But so so good Stadion, one step more to improve Poland and polish football and come back to the place you deserve.
Offtopic: You should export Tyskie and Żołądkowa Gorzka to Spain. :)

Przepraszam wszystkich ale muszę to napisać... Weź się polaczku nie podawaj za jakieś Hiszpana i nie wypisuj bzdur na każdym topicu o polskich stadionach...

National stadium will have its own chapel /place of worship :

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17.01.2011

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I've seen hundreds of stadiums including all those curently under construction. This stadium in Warsaw is the most impressive by far.
Looks elegant, sophisticated and has wow factor inside as well as looking from the outside. Absolutely brilliant!
Its a shame that it will not be hosting the Euro 2012 final match.

I've seen hundreds of stadiums including all those curently under construction. This stadium in Warsaw is the most impressive by far.
Looks elegant, sophisticated and has wow factor inside as well as looking from the outside. Absolutely brilliant!
Its a shame that it will not be hosting the Euro 2012 final match.

agree :cheers:

Friday 28.01.2011


Ździś:

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Reszta na kasknaglowe.pl

Friday 28.01.2011


Oto i elewacja zewnętrzna ;)

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Panorama:

http://www.kasknaglowe.pl/2011_01_28_stadion_narodowy/17.jpg

^^ Chapel inside of an stadium... Nice... :okay:
Go Poland ! :D

^^ Chapel inside of an stadium... Nice... :okay:
Go Poland ! :D

If you look at the steel structure (or skeleton + cables) from the side elevation (or go back to the first post and artist image, it actually reminds me a little of the old Delle Alpi (which was beautiful IMO)..
I like this project very much. Comparable to other top new build projects like Bucharest...:)

I think when they close the roof, this is going to be a really nice play to have a match of football, top sight lines that are close to the action, no athletics track getting in the way of things and and very larger interior of the stadium for shops and all that. So all up, should be great.

this type of roof has constantly shown recently its limit! poland knows rude winter conditions then i clealrly doubt about the choice of this roof :(

Dude, every type of retractable roof shouldn't be closed during snowing, because snow is really heavy. Even casual roofs collapses, when big amount of snow falls down. It wasn't it's aim to protect footballers from snow.

31.01.2011
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http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl

President of Ukraine and Polish at stadium.
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stadionnarodowy.org

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Panoramic & video:


^^ Na bramkę to nie wygląda :dunno:

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Holy cow! It's MASSIVE!
http://czarnota.org/gallery/albums/2011/2011_02_06_-_001_-_Warszawa_-_Stadion_Narodowy_-_budowa.jpg

http://czarnota.org/gallery/albums/2011/2011_02_06_-_002_-_Warszawa_-_Stadion_Narodowy_-_budowa.jpg

New (very advanced) visualization:

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New (very advanced) visualization:

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Currently there are cables at the bottom of the needle, but the visualization doesn't show them. Will they eventually be removed?

Look closer. I've marked them with yellow:

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Another one

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Just WOW!

Looks great on the visualisations, but I fear that in reality the retractable roof will not be very good.
It will most likely suffer from the exact same deficits as the roof in the commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany.
Which are that it can't be closed during wintertime or in bad weather, because it couldn't withstand the snowfall or heavy rainfall and winds.

And when the sun shines the center hung videocube and the steel spidernet cast awfully distracting shadows onto the pitch. In Frankfurt in the 2006 Worldcup they closed the roof at sunshine to avoid the distracting shadows and thus create a better TV picture.

This kind of retractable roof construction like the one in the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt is just not beneficial at all for soccer stadia in my opinion. It may be good for concerts and other events though, but for soccer it naturally comes with more negative effects than positive effects in this climate zone with its cold and snowy winters and not exactly very hot summers, where shading the pitch would really be appreciated.

Sadly this kind of retractable fabric roof is basically only useful to protect visitors from the sunshine but not from rain or snowfall.

But other than that the stadium looks nice to me on the pictures so far.

Here you can find several pictures from the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany that show very well, what this kind of roof will look like in reality:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1062993&highlight=frankfurt+commerzbank

Looks great on the visualisations, but I fear that in reality the retractable roof will not be very good.
It will most likely suffer from the exact same deficits as the roof in the commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany.
Which are that it can't be closed during wintertime or in bad weather, because it couldn't withstand the snowfall or heavy rainfall and winds.

And when the sun shines the center hung videocube and the steel spidernet cast awfully distracting shadows onto the pitch. In Frankfurt in the 2006 Worldcup they closed the roof at sunshine to avoid the distracting shadows and thus create a better TV picture.

This kind of retractable roof construction like the one in the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt is just not beneficial at all for soccer stadia in my opinion. It may be good for concerts and other events though, but for soccer it naturally comes with more negative effects than positive effects in this climate zone with its cold and snowy winters and not exactly very hot summers, where shading the pitch would really be appreciated.

Sadly this kind of retractable fabric roof is basically only useful to protect visitors from the sunshine but not from rain or snowfall.

But other than that the stadium looks nice to me on the pictures so far.

Here you can find several pictures from the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany that show very well, what this kind of roof will look like in reality:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1062993&highlight=frankfurt+commerzbank
ohhh. That is pretty nasty shading on the commerzbank.. That would annoy me very much... I see ur point.

The roof is designed with snow load, as the only stadium cable-roof design in the world. Closing roof in winter will be possible, but the air temperature must be over zero degrees Celsius.

The roof is designed with snow load, as the only stadium cable-roof design in the world. Closing roof in winter will be possible, but the air temperature must be over zero degrees Celsius.

Interesting, yet that would still mean that de facto they do probably have fairly simmilar operating limitations in winter as those in Frankfurt. Of course most of the time snowfall should naturally come with air temperatures below zero dergees Celsius.

Do you know if this roof in Warsaw is constructed sturdy enough to withstand heavy rainfall and stronger winds, like they may occur fairly commonly in Fall or summertime for example?

^^
Probably yes. Architects said roof was designed to withstand the strongest atmospheric phenomenon occurring in Warsaw.

^^
Probably yes. Architects said roof was designed to withstand the strongest atmospheric phenomenon occurring in Warsaw.
According to what I have seen in movies, all natural desasters, alien attacks, meteors and godzillas use to happen in the US, Paris, London and Moskow. So I think it will be strong enough for Warsaw. :)

The alemania-guy is right. Shadowcasting is crap. But I think that stadia got more the spirit of a discobitch. A total beautyqueen in the nighttime, but just a normal girl at day.

Look closer. I've marked them with yellow:

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Ah, thanks!
I completely overlooked those...

stadionnarodowy.org

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Is this the final position of the spire, or will they pull it higher?

It will be no higher. It's at the top.


Facade installation started today:

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pics from forsal.pl

Looks great on the visualisations, but I fear that in reality the retractable roof will not be very good.
It will most likely suffer from the exact same deficits as the roof in the commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany.
Which are that it can't be closed during wintertime or in bad weather, because it couldn't withstand the snowfall or heavy rainfall and winds.

And when the sun shines the center hung videocube and the steel spidernet cast awfully distracting shadows onto the pitch. In Frankfurt in the 2006 Worldcup they closed the roof at sunshine to avoid the distracting shadows and thus create a better TV picture.

This kind of retractable roof construction like the one in the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt is just not beneficial at all for soccer stadia in my opinion. It may be good for concerts and other events though, but for soccer it naturally comes with more negative effects than positive effects in this climate zone with its cold and snowy winters and not exactly very hot summers, where shading the pitch would really be appreciated.

Sadly this kind of retractable fabric roof is basically only useful to protect visitors from the sunshine but not from rain or snowfall.

But other than that the stadium looks nice to me on the pictures so far.

Here you can find several pictures from the Commerzbank Arena in Frankfurt, Germany that show very well, what this kind of roof will look like in reality:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1062993&highlight=frankfurt+commerzbank

Where do you get this idea, that the roof of the Commerzbank Arena can't be used in rain???? It was specially designed for that, and can be used in the heaviest rains possible, without any problems.
There were two isolated incidents in 2005, when a system failure in the roof opening-mechanism didn't allow the roof to open entirely, causing a lot of water to gather in one spot, which eventually poured onto the pitch.
Otherwise, the angle of the roof's runoff channels are designed in such a manner, that every drop of water ends up outside the arena. It doesn't matter if it rains a lot, or just a few drops. Also it has nothing to do with wind... :nuts:

It's a different case with snow, especially if the roof is closed in winter and they don't clean it regularly. The weight of the snow can cause some problems. (like we have seen on some American stadiums and Schalke Arena)
But if i'm not mistaking, they don't play that much football in Poland in the wintertime, so it shouldn't be the end of the world for them. (the same goes for the new National Stadium in Bucharest, which uses the same system.)

In the winter we have a 2-3 month without football in Poland.

Where do you get this idea, that the roof of the Commerzbank Arena can't be used in rain???? It was specially designed for that, and can be closed in the heaviest rains possible, without any problems.
There were two isolated incidents in 2005, when a system failure in the roof opening-mechanism didn't allow the roof to open entirely, causing a lot of water to gather in one spot, which eventually poured onto the pitch.
Otherwise, the angle of the roof's runoff channels are designed in such a manner, that every drop of water ends up outside the arena. It doesn't matter if it rains a lot, or just a few drops. Also it has nothing to do with wind... :nuts:

It's a different case with snow, especially if the roof is closed in winter and they don't clean it regularly. The weight of the snow can cause some problems. (like we have seen on some American stadiums and Schalke Arena)
But if i'm not mistaking, they don't play that much football in Poland in the wintertime, so it shouldn't be the end of the world for them. (the same goes for the new National Stadium in Bucharest, which uses the same system.)
As far as I know the roof in Frankfurt is not allowed to be operated under severe weather conditions as heavy rain strong winds and not during winter time.

Maybe I'm misinformed or it was some temporary thing due to the problems they had.

All I could find now was that the retractable roof in Frankfurt can legally only be operated from April to October bexause it's not designed to withstand snowloads.

About the rain:
I only found rather unereliable information in both ways. Either only saying that it may indeed be closed even under "heavy rainfall" or otherwise, just like I thought, saying that it may not be closed under "severe weather conditions".
I can immagine that there must probably be some kind of weather limitations which the roof may be operated under. Especially since it only has an "exeptional operating permit" from April to October, not a "regular" one all year around.
So maybe it can still be operated under "heavy rainfall", but not under stormy conditions with very strong winds?
Would probably make the most sense, but who knows... We probably won't find the documented operating limitations of the roof in Frankfurt anywhere in the web anyways.

Either way, the roof in Frankfurt certainly does have some kind of sensor system that warns about or prevents ripping membranes. And they supposedly did have technical problems with that sensor system for a while (because of or in combination with water drainage problems) which are said to have all been sucesfully solved.

In Germany we play soccer all through the winter, with just a fairly short break around christmas for a few weeks.
If that's different in Poland then that's of course also quite a bit better in terms of practicability of a retractable roof.

I am concerned that this 56k stadium, in the middle
of an enormous brownfield site, will turn into a white elephant
like other stadia in similar situations have become around the
world. It is not being supported properly from a financial
perspective.

Annually, we can estimate that roughly 3 or 4 concerts will
be held there and that it will host about 4 or 5 international football
matches.
This is not enough to finance such a big stadium (even if you add in
the smaller commercial events to be held such as the Red Bull racing, etc.)

To add to the financial insecurity of the investment there is no
neighbouring shopping mall planned as in Wroclaw which subsidises
the stadium. So many stadia around the world now have shopping malls
situated in close proximity to their respective stadium which help to subsidise them.

^^
You have a point too...
On the other hand, we can also see things this way: Such a stadium is an investment for the population of Warsaw (aprox. 2 million people). It's like when you renovate a public square or create a park or something. These are not investments, where the municipality must make profit with. (it's not a bad thing if they do, but it shouldn't be that important). The city of Warsaw must have such a venue, even if it's only for 10-15 events per year. It's the 21st century....You can't host concerts or sports events in 40year old facilities, or if it's raining, you can't keep 50.000 people outside, like 50 years ago.
It's the main purpose of every society and civilized nation: to evolve. That's why all of us work, and that's why public money is being collected.

The renders above are fantastic!

According to what I have seen in movies, all natural desasters, alien attacks, meteors and godzillas use to happen in the US, Paris, London and Moskow. So I think it will be strong enough for Warsaw. :)

The alemania-guy is right. Shadowcasting is crap. But I think that stadia got more the spirit of a discobitch. A total beautyqueen in the nighttime, but just a normal girl at day.

Ahahahaha:cheers:

By Nightcom:

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By Polex:
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by Polex:
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14.02.2011

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By adin:

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There use to be a comparison between the hight of this stadium and the height of stadiums in afrika? Does anyone has a link?

By Polex

Jak się tak zastanowić to rzeczywiście można byłoby do stadionu dodać parę rzeczy. Np. tor bobslejowy *).

A nim się doczekamy takiego toru...
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*) Mam też inne propozycje, ale spieszy mi się i na razie je pominę.

There use to be a comparison between the hight of this stadium and the height of stadiums in afrika? Does anyone has a link?

You mean this comparison to the 2010 World Cup Stadiums? Despite a slightly lower capacity (less wavey seat line) it's basically the same size at the Cape Town Stadium in terms of exterior dimensions, and the internal facilities of the Warsaw Stadium are actually really big.

http://a.imageshack.us/img90/6774/warsawsn.jpg

Facade looks good, and can't wait to see this one finished.

Facade installation has started in 2nd place:

Pictures by Polex (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=55442)

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http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5695/img50474010901.jpg

I am concerned that this 56k stadium, in the middle
of an enormous brownfield site, will turn into a white elephant
like other stadia in similar situations have become around the
world. It is not being supported properly from a financial
perspective.

Annually, we can estimate that roughly 3 or 4 concerts will
be held there and that it will host about 4 or 5 international football
matches.
This is not enough to finance such a big stadium (even if you add in
the smaller commercial events to be held such as the Red Bull racing, etc.)

To add to the financial insecurity of the investment there is no
neighbouring shopping mall planned as in Wroclaw which subsidises
the stadium. So many stadia around the world now have shopping malls
situated in close proximity to their respective stadium which help to subsidise them.

The stadium is in Warsaw city centre and not on a brownfield site. Further more there is lots of commercial space in the stadium itself i believe the stadium is definatly financially viable. You can see the amount of usuable space around the stands in the technical drawing

http://a.imageshack.us/img90/6774/warsawsn.jpg

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incredible

amazing truly amazing :)

By Pstrykacz:


http://czarnota.org/gallery/albums/2011/2011_02_26_-_003_-_Warszawa_-_otoczenie_Stadionu_Narodowego_przy_dworcu_Warszawa_Stadion.jpg

incredible
:lol: What is incredible? (didn't you see a stadium being built before? :) )

Anyway...very good progress. It must be really cold in Warsaw, yet it seems they are working with full power and speed.
This will be one great stadium! :cheers:

Nice stadium, i hope Poland will host a great championship ! Good luck!

Lots of work in that roof :)

1.03.2011

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what is the solution for channeling rain water? I keep looking for the ease troughs but I have to find them on any photos? Are they using large diameter pipes that lead to the sewer system instead?

by Polex:

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Pytanie do znawców:
elewacja bedzie jeszcze ponizej?(oby były jeszcze ze 2 "paski)"
Opinia-ten górny "prosty"pasek jest raczej zbedny (choć mozna bedzie to w pełni ocenić po montazu calości)

It's going to be exactly like on the model (waving around stadium):

http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5276/stadionnarodowy16.jpg

In the picture above there are 11 horizontal elements and there will be no more then that.

^^

I think you mean 11 panels mounted in vertical columns.

The stadium certainly has WOW factor but am concerned
about how lonely it looks situated in the middle of a big brown-field site.

Will there be a footbridge linking it to the left bank or a viewing platform closer to the river?

A building or stadium can ONLY come to life when there is life around it - not just in it.

^^Patience young "oxo"

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/6494/z6494092X,Tak-mialo-wygladac-otoczenie-Stadionu-Narodowego-.jpg

http://www.architektura.info/var/architektura/storage/images/media/images/09_stadion_a/39352-1-pol-PL/09_stadion_a_page.jpg




sooner or later it will happen( maybe in different form)

^^
OH MY GOD! What's that?

From a lot of angles the beauty of the stadium would largely be hidden from view by imposing structures, some of which compete with the stadium for attention. Truly terrible.

I would like to see something not so imposing and next to the river. A place, for example, where you could leave your wife while you go off to enjoy a football match and then come back and rejoin your wife having a great time (could be recreational and/or shopping).

Oxo... robisz z igieł widły.

Friday (04.03.2011) by Polex:

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It's getting spectacular.

My photos:

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Absolutely beautifull

:applause:

:cheers:

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http://kontakt24.tvn.pl/temat,stadion-narodowy-z-gory,81953.html

Sunday. Pictures taken (as always :) ) by Polex:


Niedziela bez SN? Niemożliwe!:bash:
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>>>>>>>>
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What an amazing stadium!
Looks really impressive....

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Amazing photos! :cheers:

In terms of exterior appearance, it is easily the most visually stunning football stadium in Europe mainly for the following 3 reasons:

1. The red and white panels really liven up the rather drab surroundings so an amazing contrast is achieved.
2. I welcome the way it spells out 'Poland' in a subtle and not so obvious way. The idea is so simple that the vast majority of architects would not have thought of it.
3. There are some great design touches that add interest without looking over-designed. For example, the panels are mounted in slight concertina angles to each other which give the exterior a pleasant visual 'rhythm'. Looking at the stadium in closer proximity, the panels also add interest by being translucent which prevents the exterior from looking flat, tile-like and one-dimensional.

The stadium is simply an architectural wonder! Congratulations.

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love this stadium!!:cheers1: lots of original features not just a "boring bowl"
also is it true that the seating pattern will be the same as the outer facade?
that would be awesome! :banana:

^^
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VIP boxes :

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17.03.2011

Pictures by NCS from their facebook page:


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impressing :)

but i am against those roofs cumbersomed and throwing their shadow cables on the pitch in the middle of afeternoon!

In poland winter are very cold, then i assume we 'll see some problems seen in usa or germany when snow is invited :mad:

^^
What problems?

http://plfoto.com/zdjecia_new2/2262956.jpg

This is so awesome :D

^^
What problems?

the possibility to have broken roofs :D

but i apreciate very much this stadium which is not a basic replica of frankfurt :)

the possibility to have broken roofs :D

but i apreciate very much this stadium which is not a basic replica of frankfurt :)It may look a bit like Frankfurt, even tho it's not at all, but in terms of technology, construction and technical advancement it's like comparing...Renault Thalia (Frankfurt) to Lamborghini Murcielago (Warsaw) imo. Architects could use any other material, but they decided to use a 'membrane'.

when your Lambo fails it costs much more to repair then your Renault ;)

rekinn is funny

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Wow ... I want to see it finished :)

Restaurant/press foyer visualisation (level +4, west stand):
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7611/restauracjal.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/restauracjal.jpg/)

Business club visualisation (level 00, west stand):
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Fan club visualisation (level B1, east stand):
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Source: http://www.facebook.com/Stadion.Narodowy

The newest stadium virtual tour (photos from 18. march 2011):
http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/index.php?pid=1233

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[QUOTE=PiotrG;74705421]Restaurant/press foyer visualisation (level +4, west stand):
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Yeah right :). I will believe it when I see it. This view will not be possible to obtain because of the bloody red-white elevation. I hate it, why didn't they come up with some modern idea for elevation which would simply give more attractive presence and could take advantage of Warsaw's skyline through its transparency. In addition, the bloody trees across the road are much higher in reality and they cannot be cut off because of the environmental reasons:bash:. In simple words some wild animals live in a very center of a capital city and therefore this area is under protection, extravagantly called "nature 2000". For God's sake, no one could come up with an idea to manage this area for years, and now we have to pay for it, because wildlife have had good conditions to develop due to ignorance and apathy of administration. I bet some crazy greenpeace activist were very happy about it because they tend to be very eager when it comes to turning everything into jungle. Sometimes, I wish more centralized power existed so one concrete decision could protect from cranky ecologists.

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zielonash, Ill politely tell you to stop complaining. The stadium is unique, most people like it, and I would much rather enjoy a park than a nice skyline.

If you never lived in a place that is short of green areas you woulndt understand.

^^

All right, I am able to accept a park in that place with lower trees, but right now there is a goddamn jungle which is filthy and unpleasant.

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nice :okay:

CAKwimftaoo

wow nice progress with the roof, is that the thing that holds the roof on the ground ? the big circular thing ?
also will they soon be installing the seats, or is it too soon? anyway awesome progress , this is my favourite stadium of euro2012 :cheers:

This circular thing is the "garage" for retractable roof.
It seems that seats will also start appearing very soon as they have begun drilling holes in the stands already.

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Nice View... :okay:

8.03.2011

Krystian Trela,
www.airnews.com.pl

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http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/


28.03.2011
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http://www.tvnwarszawa.pl/

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and this is how the corridors should look inside :

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http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/5/9333/z9333835X,Budowa-Stadionu-Narodowego-28-03-2011.jpg

^^

All right, I am able to accept a park in that place with lower trees, but right now there is a goddamn jungle which is filthy and unpleasant.

Wait for the finished product before you become judge jury and executioner

Photo by Mateusz Kostrzewa / www.legia.com

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outer covering looks cheap in imo, but still a decent stadium. good job poland.

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I´m doing the "awesome face" like that guy :D

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the cladding should have come down 1 more level. it looks so bare at the bottom of the stadium

Looks awesome! Have my fingers crossed I get a match in this stadium in the lottery!:)

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^^ Ah, so the seating pattern will be similar to the Bird's Nest stadium in Beijing? Yep, it would look great if it did. :cheers:

Yeah it does look great. At least it makes sense considering these are the primary Polish colours

Assembly of seats started:
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Net capacity: 56 658
All seats (including press, commentators & suites seats) - 58 145

All seats (including press, commentators & suites seats) - 58 145

It's an official info that the number of seats will be higher then previousely said :cheers:

We should make a change in the title of the thread. The official number of seats is now 58 145 instead of 55 145.

:cheers:

yay seats ! haha , but i still dont understand the need for the fencing... they say safety reasons but they dont have these in wembley stadium top tier and that has a 90,000 capacity

yay seats ! haha , but i still dont understand the need for the fencing... they say safety reasons but they dont have these in wembley stadium top tier and that has a 90,000 capacity

Well, they are installing this "fencing" probably due to the high alcohol comsumption in Poland. There is a long tradition of drinking wodka and beer and getting drunk, which is passed down from generation to generation.

Na zdrowie! :cheers:

It's an official info that the number of seats will be higher then previousely said :cheers:

We should make a change in the title of the thread. The official number of seats is now 58 145 instead of 55 145.

:cheers:

Yep, this is a 58k stadium.

It's an official info that the number of seats will be higher then previousely said :cheers:

We should make a change in the title of the thread. The official number of seats is now 58 145 instead of 55 145.

:cheers:

Yes.Great news,its not far off 60K now which is a very nice size for NT stadium.

I thought looking at renders it might turn out to be bigger capacity.Should be great atmosphere for opening game of tournament,wonder who polands opponents might be?Maybe ENGLAND,OR GERMANY!!!
By the way does anyone know when construction is complete?

The opening game will be against Germany i believe in September....58K is definatley much better then 55K. Very happy indeed

The opening game will be against Germany i believe in September....58K is definatley much better then 55K. Very happy indeed

"opening game of tournament"...

Well, they are installing this "fencing" probably due to the high alcohol comsumption in Poland. There is a long tradition of drinking wodka and beer and getting drunk, which is passed down from generation to generation.

Na zdrowie! :cheers:


I'm sorry but this is bs. You even can't buy beer during the match in Poland. Statistics also show that alcohol consumption is lower than in Wester Europe.

I'm sorry but this is bs. You even can't buy beer during the match in Poland. Statistics also show that alcohol consumption is lower than in Wester Europe.

someone please explain why they insist on the fencing ? :bash: i know i'm banging on about this but it's annoying me ..

someone please explain why they insist on the fencing ? :bash: i know i'm banging on about this but it's annoying me ..

construction regulations, simple as that. Balustrades have to be fitted above certain height. It's the same with openable windows in tall buildings - they have to be fitted with railings, but only those on higher storeys.

I thought looking at renders it might turn out to be bigger capacity.Should be great atmosphere for opening game of tournament,wonder who polands opponents might be?Maybe ENGLAND,OR GERMANY!!!


I think it won't any of these teams. Poland, placed in A box, will play against team situated in box D (potentially the worst). Like it was in Portugal (Portugal-Greece) or Austria/Switzerland (Switzerland -Czech Rep). But I may be wrong :P

I don't understand this... :dunno: They have been building this stadium for almost 3 years now, and just a couple of months before opening they suddenly realized that they have 3000 seats more, than the original plan??? :nuts: How is that possible? Was there some kind of change of design?

The official site of the stadium still says it's 55k. :?
http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/about-ncs/ncs

BTW. Don't know much about regulations, but those cages look awful...:ohno: People will be locked up like in a roller-coaster train, or something....

I don't understand this... :dunno: They have been building this stadium for almost 3 years now, and just a couple of months before opening they suddenly realized that they have 3000 seats more, than the original plan??? :nuts: How is that possible? Was there some kind of change of design?

The official site of the stadium still says it's 55k. :?
http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/about-ncs/ncs

BTW. Don't know much about regulations, but those cages look awful...:ohno: People will be locked up like in a roller-coaster train, or something....

The latest official news says that they will instal exactly 58 145 seat in red and silver colours - more by over 3000 that they previousely thought :

http://www.2012.org.pl/pl/miasta-gospodarze/warszawa/aktualnoci.html

http://warszawa.gazeta.pl/warszawa/1,34862,9387217,Zamontowano_pierwsze_krzeselka_na_Stadionie_Narodowym.html

:cheers:

Buildings are often revised as they are built, so no big deal imo to add or remove seats as the design is fine-tined.

58.15k certainly is better than 55k.

In essence it's almost a 60k stadium for football now, and a roomy one at that, so for stadiums that are purely dedicated to football and don't have an atheletics track, that's a pretty good effort. There aren't that many pure football stadiums that would be bigger in Europe, and certainly very few with a fully retractable roof (none spring to mind?), so not bad. As it stands it's a higher legacy capacity than say Cape Town's stadium from the World Cup.

BTW. Don't know much about regulations, but those cages look awful...:ohno: People will be locked up like in a roller-coaster train, or something....

As far as I know railings are required when steps are 51 cm high and more (polish regulations). And I don't see any problem, lots of stadiums got it and it's even comfortable and also increases safety.

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/9395/z9395250X,Radni-na-budowie-Stadionu-Narodowego-7-04-2011.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/4/9395/z9395254X,Budowa-Stadionu-Narodowego-7-04-2011.jpg

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I thought this stadium was supposed to have red and white seats to represent the polish national colours? Why silver? It still looks cool!

Are easier to keep them clean.

58K ? how did they get this number?? i mean something has been increased?

Why not announce at the beginning 58K!
Is it due to the size of seats?

del

please explain me how to increase the capacity to +58 k without changing main characteristics?

I thought this stadium was supposed to have red and white seats to represent the polish national colours? Why silver? It still looks cool!

They do represent the Polish colours - silver makes better contrast on the white concrete background and it simply goes better with dark red. :cheers:

please explain me how to increase the capacity to +58 k without changing main characteristics?

Probably everyone involved in the construction know about it for some time, but it was officialy announced just now.

BTW I am happy that the seats' quality matches the modern stadium :cheers:

seats look awesome still even in silver you dont really notice the silver at first :)

the elevation net is in the same tones - dark red and silver, yet in bright sunlight i looks like red and white :)

i love the seats. they are more comfortable then my couch.

yay seats ! haha , but i still dont understand the need for the fencing... they say safety reasons but they dont have these in wembley stadium top tier and that has a 90,000 capacity

BTW. Don't know much about regulations, but those cages look awful...:ohno: People will be locked up like in a roller-coaster train, or something....

Heh, I got used to them, as they are on all newbuild stadiums.
+ they are not that close to give you a rollercoster troley feeling :)
Actually simular fences are on Camp Nou. And thanks God for them. those upper tiers are really steepy.

anyway England has completly different regulations, the firts rows feet are on the grass fot gods sake :)
but i wouldn't jump for joy here:
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1218/wembley74cd.jpg
long way down.

Live cam has being moved to different part of stadium:

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/static/livecam.php

^^ in spite of zoom bigger than previously, pretty good view I think :) I wonder if it will stay right here to the end

From today:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=316120&page=1240

^^ I think it's easier for everyone to do like this :cheers:

Czym byłby piątek bez Ździsia?

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2522/p4080001cg.jpg

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1319/p4080015.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/264/p4080016.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/2481/p4080017.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6499/p4080019.jpg

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9682/p4080020.jpg



Kiedy pytają mnie: "jak się siedzi na trybunie?", odpowiadam: "wygodnie!"

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7240/p4080073.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6232/p4080074.jpg

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/2641/p4080075.jpg

Herzog & De Meuron
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5837/p4080077.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/1888/p4080078.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2935/p4080079y.jpg


Pano pano:

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/9098/panorama1tb.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3228/panorama2u.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8158/panorama3x.jpg

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7817/panorama4s.jpg

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3480/panorama5t.jpg

One of the finest stadiums in Europe!

more pic :

Ździś:
(to moje pierwsze foty na tym forum więc mam nadzieję, że wszystko zrobiłem ok i że znajdziecie tu coś interesującego)

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Becoming one of my favourite stadiums! Thanks a lot for the big updates :)

how they do to fill the little gaps in the roof structure that separated each part of coverage?
I mean we see a little part of the sky by there.Is there a protection?



http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/9/9395/z9395259X,Budowa-Stadionu-Narodowego-7-04-2011.jpg

Heh, I got used to them, as they are on all newbuild stadiums.
+ they are not that close to give you a rollercoster troley feeling :)

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5640/dsc02595.jpg

^^ I think they are too close (i can imagine that a man with a height of over 1.80 can feel quite claustrophobic in there . And the stands aren't even that steep. I understand the need for them on stadiums like Mestalla (http://www.flickr.com/photos/remcovn/sets/72157608206178350/with/2957261715/), or Camp Nou. But not here. Stupid regulation. :ohno:

Anyway...stadium looks great, the seats are the best, same as on Allianz Arena (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3524001333_06165bb34a.jpg) and the new Cluj Arena (ergonomic, good looking and comfortable), and the colors red with silver are pleasant. A very good decision. :cheers:

how they do to fill the little gaps in the roof structure that separated each part of coverage?
I mean we see a little part of the sky by there.Is there a protection?

They've just started putting on the membrane, so don't expect everything to look like it will in the final stage. It's obvious that the gaps will be filled.




^^ I think they are too close (i can imagine that a man with a height of over 1.80 can feel quite claustrophobic in there . And the stands aren't even that steep. I understand the need for them on stadiums like Mestalla (http://www.flickr.com/photos/remcovn/sets/72157608206178350/with/2957261715/), or Camp Nou. But not here. Stupid regulation. :ohno:



Look at the guy above. That railings are on his knee level for god sake, so how can someone feel claustrophobic in here...

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9730/20110409150413671.jpg

This picture is from the Polish Forum. That elevation is going to look amazing when finished!

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5694/p4graresize.jpg

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^^ THE most spectacular pics of this stadium so far. Sophistication of its construction is really impressive. :master:

pic from Friday :

A ja mam coś jeszcze z piątku :)

http://www.niezabiorom.pl/data/normalsize/63/sn20110408_01.jpg (http://www.niezabiorom.pl/data/media/63/sn20110408_01.jpg)

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By PolandPower
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/polandpower/5606819874/

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5144/5606791080_96edbab5c5_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/polandpower/5606791080/

:applause: nice

Taken about 2 weeks ago:

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/upload/editor/image/b_1624331741.jpg

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/upload/editor/image/b_2041515573.jpg

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/upload/editor/image/b_1565776913.jpg

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/upload/editor/image/b_649107170.jpg

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/aktualnosci/1252,stadion-narodowy-w-warszawie-z-lotu-ptaka

some new pic:

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9069/dsc04224o.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/dsc04224o.jpg/)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/552/dsc04225u.jpg (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc04225u.jpg/)

I wonder how big is the degree of indebtedness of Poland after this European Cup...I hope you wont make the same mistake of Greece or Portugal who had to suffer...

That had nothing to do with it and neither the reasons are the same.

I wonder how big is the degree of indebtedness of Poland after this European Cup...I hope you wont make the same mistake of Greece or Portugal who had to suffer...

Well we had to build all the stuff even without EURO so it's not like one event situation.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1158/warszawa12kwietnia2011.jpg

http://www.wprzerwie.pl/g/Wprzerwie.3.aspx/610/0/Wprzerwie/6e83c55a-12cb-4a27-82b4-7aad397421f5_20110413125453_20110412csbw2013.jpg

http://www.wprzerwie.pl/g/Wprzerwie.3.aspx/610/0/Wprzerwie/bc26c480-f86e-46a4-96b2-bebb2eef5e9e_20110413125827_20110412csbw2011.jpg

http://www.wprzerwie.pl/g/Wprzerwie.3.aspx/610/0/Wprzerwie/d1da59cc-dd43-4bc9-8671-2898b7b4b906_20110413010049_20110412csbw2010.jpg

http://www.wprzerwie.pl/g/Wprzerwie.3.aspx/610/0/Wprzerwie/d7c8b549-46a3-4e77-befa-f05b0f411f8d_20110413010920_20110412csbw2005.jpg

http://www.wprzerwie.pl/g/Wprzerwie.3.aspx/610/0/Wprzerwie/98eeb53f-6e99-4af1-a0cb-5d04856ef6dc_20110413011140_20110412csbw2003.jpg

That had nothing to do with it and neither the reasons are the same.

Explain? Why?

Well we had to build all the stuff even without EURO so it's not like one event situation.


Yes is true, but this would happen in some years 5-10 don't know, not so fast :) and i think that poland had to borrow some money for this event :)

100% agree! Euro was the chance to build all those stadiums

Yes is true, but this would happen in some years 5-10 don't know, not so fast :) and i think that poland had to borrow some money for this event :)
There are only 4 stadiums that will be used for the Euro (plus 2 reserve venues) and the development of other stadia has nothing to do with the tournament - it is simply a feasible investment for the cities/clubs. This means there is a demand NOW, not in 5-10 years time. And even those stadiums for the euro would be build anyway - the only difference is that they would probably be not as spectacular.
Was the development of other stadia pushed by the euro? Probably not because Korona, Zaglebie, Lech, Legia and Wisla either already had their new stadiums build or were in the process but had to increase the capacity due to UEFA regulations, so other cities would follow anyway.
100% agree! Euro was the chance to build all those stadiums
Suck it up Axel! And the next time you post please try to actually contribute something to the thread..

The same thing when it comes to Chorzów being under construction. 55k stadium which is not taking part in Euro 2012.

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2348/24957891.jpg

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/8850/35414607.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9967/img6708v.jpg

Poland can afford this.

The same thing when it comes to Chorzów being under construction. 70k stadium which is not taking part in Euro 2012.



Chorzów will be 55.000 stadium ! :gaah:

70k? 55 I guess

e. docent was faster

55k.

Misleading title in topic on Polish forum.

Yes is true, but this would happen in some years 5-10 don't know, not so fast :) and i think that poland had to borrow some money for this event :)

There was no mention of Poland borrowing money for this event during all this years on Polish news sites. Part of it is payed by the government, the other by investors, but i see no mentioning of borrowing.

About the seating:

The stadium is already 58,000. Notice that there should be half the amount of stairs behind the goal? I think the stadium could easily fit another 4000-+ seats, if seats were installed in these places. This stadium in reality is 60,000 + seater. There desperately trying to keep the capacity down. No wonder this stadium is so abnormally large for it capacity.. Also I think the chairs might be "a bit more then regulation rules" spaced apart. How much is needed for champions league?

There was no mention of Poland borrowing money for this event during all this years on Polish news sites. Part of it is payed by the government, the other by investors, but i see no mentioning of borrowing.


Central government's financing:
- Stadion Narodowy
- motorways and most bypasses
- railroads and new rolling stock (via state-owned national railway and railway stations operator)
- Warsaw airport extension (via state-owned commercial enterprise)

Local councils:
- stadiums in Wroclaw, Poznan and Gdansk
- public transport (buses, trams, etc.)
- local roads improvements
- new Wroclaw and Gdansk airports

One needs to mention substantial EU funding, especially in infrastructure (usually 70% of the construction costs)

Central government's financing:
- Stadion Narodowy
- motorways and most bypasses
- railroads and new rolling stock (via state-owned national railway and railway stations operator)
- Warsaw airport extension (state-owned commercial enterprise)

Local councils:
- stadiums in Wroclaw, Poznan and Gdansk
- public transport (buses, trams, etc.)
- local roads improvements
- new Wroclaw and Gdansk airports

One needs to mention substantial EU funding, especially in infrastructure (usually 70% of the construction costs)

Kinda offtopic: Is Eu funding borrowing? Does it apply to stadiums? (Since its more of a novelty and does very little for Europe as whole)

You have used a little confusing word: "investors" to describe a cost structure of polish stadiums. Of course every investment needs an investor, but frankly said, all stadiums are built by municipalities not by private investors (except for NS Warsaw fully financed by government.) The only difference between EURO2012 and other stadiums is a small cost participation (about 1/6) by government. Lets say that this is compensation for additional 10k seats which wouldn't be installed.

It is quite easy to find a list of polish stadiums which are currently under construction (or already built in a past 2 years) and we can consider that every ekstraklasa club will have had a modern stadium [built or under construction] before Euro2012. If we compare that fact with a lack of any modern stadium in a year 2007(?)* we could estimate polish need of sport infrastructure. Almost every city in a whole world borrows money, polish ones do it as well, but no worries - polish law set up a safe deficit level (which is 60% of yearly city income) to prevent over-investments.

I hope that my explanation a little clarified capabilities of polish economy and infrastructure needs.


* I'm not sure about a year of construction Korona Kielce stadium.

You're right, EU money is an investment, not borrowing. I'm not sure if EU supports building sports infrastructure.
As to the government's funding, it's difficult to determine its structure, I guess, as the money comes from a global budget, which partially consists of loans indeed.
Local councils, on the other hand, keep borrowing like crazy (issuing bonds) - I wouldn't be surprised if some of them went into administration @ some point ;). The stadium boom in Poland went a bit out of control imho, as there is like 15 mid-size venues currently under construction or just completed. There is simply not enough people to fill them all up. Or I hope I'm wrong :)

End of OT.

Kinda offtopic: Is Eu funding borrowing? Does it apply to stadiums? (Since its more of a novelty and does very little for Europe as whole)

it's not OT to talk about the financement of a stadium as we talk about other elements of it (roof, capacity, coulour of seats, cost of overall...)

I don't say that poland is not able to build stadium but we know Spain thanks to EU funds has considerably developed motroways and High speed railways!

Then EU funds make a considerably financial aid that let poland use it like it want! That's why without EU funds Poland would has not chosen to invest into stadiums right now! They would have done it later... :)

Clear?

Friday:


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Friday:


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Friday:


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Friday:


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Friday:


Panoramy:

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http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/1024/panorama2mala.jpg

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6255/panorama3mala.jpg

What a pity that this stadium will not host the final!:ohno:

What a pity that this stadium will not host the final!:ohno:

Totally agree :cheers:

I'm liking how you've got a ghost on the last picture on the right! AHAHAHA :)

Just fantastic! 4me one of the most beautiful stadiums in the world!

What a pity that this stadium will not host the final!:ohno:

don't worry, a better stadium will host the final ;)

->

From virtual tour:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/945/94965327.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/965/15593212.jpg

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7761/48051116.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4664/77093476.jpg

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8949/92047386.jpg

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/index.php?pid=1266

I like your sense of humour :lol:

don't worry, a better stadium will host the final ;)

^^you're right, the warsaw stadium has beautiful renders....hands down the best artwork i've seen so far

don't worry, a better stadium will host the final ;)

Not sure about that this stadium is starting to look really beautiful.I do agree though that Kiev will also be a wonderful stadium.
Really looking forward to the next 4 weeks now as things will start to take shape esp with the seats being added.
Wroclaw was my favourite but one has to say warszawa is starting to look awesome.
As others have said it does look bigger than even the upgraded 58K capacity.
One could only dream of these kind of stadiums in Poland until 2012 hosting right was awarded.
:cheers:

^^you're right, the warsaw stadium has beautiful renders....hands down the best artwork i've seen so far

Dude, I value your patriotism, but stay objective. Warsaw stadium beat Kiev arena in every aspect without capacity. But it doesn't matter, coz we don't need it to be bigger. By the way, Kiev is also on randers so far, so your argument is invalid.

Dude, I value your patriotism, but stay objective. Warsaw stadium beat Kiev arena in every aspect without capacity. But it doesn't matter, coz we don't need it to be bigger. By the way, Kiev is also on randers so far, so your argument is invalid.

i wonder where you saw "patriotism"??? what does that even mean, when I was clearly raising a point (very sarcastically btw) that people are just lavishing praise on stadiums that, currently, exist in pictures ONLY....so saying that makes me a jingoist, but when you make such "modest" statements like "warsaw stadium beat kiev arena in every aspect" you're being objective....might it be an onset of schizophrenia:dunno:...., or are you just complicated: kind of like a contradiction within a contraction or something

... people are just lavishing praise on stadiums that, currently, exist in pictures ONLY....so saying that makes me a jingoist, but when you make such "modest" statements like "warsaw stadium beat kiev arena in every aspect" you're being objective....

Ahem, note that both stadiums are nearly completed so you can judge their quality based on the construction photo-updates. When I look at Narodowy and Olympic, I would agree with Svercer: Narodowy is technologically more advanced, built of much better quality materials (just compare the concrete and look at details), has waaaay more facilities (see cubic capacity, number of restaurants, lounges, skyboxes, tv-studios, conference halls, shops, escalators, bathrooms, etc.). Not to mention construction site management: Kyiv - an utter mess, Warsaw - order and tidiness. But of course that's my subjective opinion :).

Ahem, note that both stadiums are nearly completed so you can judge their quality based on the construction photo-updates. When I look at Narodowy and Olympic, I would agree with Svercer: Narodowy is technologically more advanced, built of much better quality materials (just compare the concrete and look at details), has waaaay more facilities (see cubic capacity, number of restaurants, lounges, skyboxes, tv-studios, conference halls, shops, escalators, bathrooms, etc.). Not to mention construction site management: Kyiv - an utter mess, Warsaw - order and tidiness. But of course that's my subjective opinion :).

I agree with you. Narodowy is much more ahead in terms of construction and therefore we're comparing already half clad stadium with the one still in concrete. However, granite and glass will soon follow. Now, why would anyone try to pick between the aesthetic value of mesh/metal cladding painted in white and red vs. dark gray granite, more suitable for a reconstruction of a historic stadium? Or why are we saying that the roof structure of one stadium is better than the other? These elements have their unique characteristics that compliment the stadiums' architectural styles.

Which brings me to architecture. People seem to forget that the Olympic Stadium is 80 years old and it is being reconstructed (by the same firm that did the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, btw, which is universally regarded as the best reconstruction of a stadium ever) vs. a post modernist stadium in Warsaw. Why would a new construction immediately take precedence over a respectful reconstruction in the neo-classical style, architecturally speaking? If you ask me, stadium Narodowy is cookie cutter; they are a dime a dozen now a days.

Your point about technology and total sq. footage is well taken. But the Olympic does not lag behind Narodowy too much. Most of that infrastructure is underground. Also, I don't believe that the "tidiness" of the construction site should be taken in to account when comparing architecture. :lol:

it's not OT to talk about the financement of a stadium as we talk about other elements of it (roof, capacity, coulour of seats, cost of overall...)

I don't say that poland is not able to build stadium but we know Spain thanks to EU funds has considerably developed motroways and High speed railways!

Then EU funds make a considerably financial aid that let poland use it like it want! That's why without EU funds Poland would has not chosen to invest into stadiums right now! They would have done it later... :)

Clear?
EU doesn't subsidize the stadiums in Poland -> EU funds cannot be spent for commercial investments (which are in fact stadiums). We can build roads, bridges, infrastructure for local societies but stadiums are 100% financed by local authorities or the government.

What a pity that this stadium will not host the final!:ohno:

The biggest should host the final.

Nice updates :cheers:

Why would a new construction immediately take precedence over a respectful reconstruction in the neo-classical style

You are talking of Kyiv as if some sort of historical architectural features were being meticulously restored. Where are they? Show me that 'neo-classical style' elements that needed so much money to reinstate. I think the word 'reconstruction' has been used for this stadium to justify enormous cash pumped into this project, half of it landing in corrupted officials' pockets.

And the point about the tidiness of the construction site - apparently it says a lot about the quality of the construction itself, imho. Narodowy is going to be a state-of-the-art ultra-modern venue, and you can see it already. I'm not sure about the Olympic...

EU doesn't subsidize the stadiums in Poland -> EU funds cannot be spent for commercial investments (which are in fact stadiums). We can build roads, bridges, infrastructure for local societies but stadiums are 100% financed by local authorities or the government.


you don't understand!!

EU funds enables poland to construct others infrastructures, THEN polish funds could be used to build stadiums!

That's why indirectly those stadiums are there thanks to EU money and it is good for sports :)

You are talking of Kyiv as if some sort of historical architectural features were being meticulously restored. Where are they? Show me that 'neo-classical style' elements that needed so much money to reinstate. I think the word 'reconstruction' has been used for this stadium to justify enormous cash pumped into this project, half of it landing in corrupted officials' pockets.

And the point about the tidiness of the construction site - apparently it says a lot about the quality of the construction itself, imho. Narodowy is going to be a state-of-the-art ultra-modern venue, and you can see it already. I'm not sure about the Olympic...

I was talking about a reconstruction in the neoclassical style; the architecture is soviet realism (seen very clearly before the second tier was added in the 60's).

Here's an example of neoclassicism. There's a thread about NSK Olympic right below this thread. Wouldn't hurt to check it out once in awhile ;)

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9804/201104121051403475.jpg (http://img576.imageshack.us/i/201104121051403475.jpg/)

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As far as the historical aspect of the stadium, it has to do with the great moments in sports the Olympic had been apart of. You can never recreate that magic in a new stadium. And finally, what do you mean by "state of the art" when you reference Narodowy? Because trust me, for every state of the art feature that Narodowy will have, the Olympic will have it too. Maybe in lesser quantity, but those are understandable limitations when working with an 80 year old stadium.

I was talking about a reconstruction in the neoclassical style; the architecture is soviet realism (seen very clearly before the second tier was added in the 60's).

Here's an example of neoclassicism. There's a thread about NSK Olympic right below this thread. Wouldn't hurt to check it out once in awhile ;)

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/9804/201104121051403475.jpg (http://img576.imageshack.us/i/201104121051403475.jpg/)

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As far as the historical aspect of the stadium, it has to do with the great moments in sports the Olympic had been apart of. You can never recreate that magic in a new stadium. And finally, what do you mean by "state of the art" when you reference Narodowy? Because trust me, for every state of the art feature that Narodowy will have, the Olympic will have it too. Maybe in lesser quantity, but those are understandable limitations when working with an 80 year old stadium.
Whats 'soviet realism'?:lol::lol:

I was talking about a reconstruction in the neoclassical style; the architecture is soviet realism (seen very clearly before the second tier was added in the 60's).

I'm not sure which bit are you talking about, I can't see any 'soviet realism' here. What, that stone cladding on the wall next to the stairs? Handrails? You're kidding... The fact that the stadium was built in soviet times doesn't make it 'neoclassical soviet style' (whatever it means). And even if 'soviet elements' were there in the 60's, they are gone now, are they not? By the way, I do check the Olympic thread, still wondering why it's called reconstruction!

As far as the historical aspect of the stadium, it has to do with the great moments in sports the Olympic had been apart of. You can never recreate that magic in a new stadium.

I totally disagree. I think there will be great atmosphere at Narodowy right from the start, even if (or actually because) it is spanking new and modern :cheers:

I'm not sure which bit are you talking about, I can't see any 'soviet realism' here. What, that stone cladding on the wall next to the stairs? You're joking... The fact that the stadium was built in soviet times doesn't make it 'neoclassical soviet style' (whatever it means). And even if 'soviet elements' were there in the 60's, they are gone now, are they not?


The reconstruction is meant to look neoclassical or it incorporates neoclassical elements in the reconstruction of an ordinary looking stadium (WITH A LEGENDARY HISTORY), Try to read more carefully...and don't get hung up on what the architectural classification of the stadium was when built in 1930s....sadly a lot of those details were lost in the subsequent reconstructions in the 60's and 80's. But that is not important. What is important is as to how it will look now, and how the new aesthetic will compliment the classic lines of the stadium. I never compared the Olympic with the original Olympic Stadium in Berlin or the pre expansion Soldier's Field in Chicago. Those are great examples of neoclassical architecture.

I totally disagree. I think there will be great atmosphere at Narodowy right from the start, even if (or actually because) it is spanking new and modern :cheers:


Again, you're completely missing the point. An atmosphere is one thing. But an aura about a stadium, is completely different. It's like the old and new Yankee stadium. Not quite the same :)

Again, you're completely missing the point. An atmosphere is one thing. But an aura about a stadium, is completely different. It's like the old and new Yankee stadium. Not quite the same :)

Oh, so you're talking about reconstructing LEGENDARY HISTORY, the AURA! I see... Still bit pricey for the reconstruction of THE SPIRIT ;). But of course, the spirit is priceless, so let's throw millions of $$$ at it ;)

The reconstruction is meant to look neoclassical or it incorporates neoclassical elements in the reconstruction of an ordinary looking stadium

I admit, I'm not an architecture expert, so I checked neo-classicism on Wikipedia. Now what I can certainly say is that there is virtually NOTHING in this stadium that resembles neo-classicism in the slightest. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh, so you're talking about reconstructing LEGENDARY HISTORY, the AURA! I see... Still bit pricey for the reconstruction of THE SPIRIT ;). But of course, the spirit is priceless, so let's throw millions of $$$ at it ;)

500 million euros is an acceptable figure for a world class stadium with 70K
capacity built in europe....how much does this one cost ;)

but if you require a more detailed explanation of what factors into that cost, please refer to my post here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505872&page=56


I admit, I'm not an architecture expert, so I checked neo-classicism on Wikipedia. Now what I can certainly say is that there is virtually NOTHING in this stadium that resembles neo-classicism in the slightest. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So now that you've educated yourself, here are some of those elements on the stadium

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So now that you've educated yourself, here are some of those elements on the stadium [pics]


:cripes:^^ Education is a good thing indeed, but it seems perhaps you need more of it as well. Following your logic, anything with an arch shape or that resembles a tall column (I gather that's what you were pointing at) should be classified as 'neo-classical' (e.g. Narodowy, look at these arches on the roof ;)). That is massive oversimplification. No, that's simply not true. Neo-classicism tries to recreate classic canon of ancient Greece or Rome forms, as faithfully as possible. So if you want to call a building 'neo-classistic', it has too look very much like an ancient greek or roman building. What you showed me is a rather poorly executed and very, very remote variation on the topic.

On a side note, I got your point about keeping the aura alive long ago: if these arches and columns help Ukrainian folks remembering their glorious past, so be it! :drunk:

:cripes:^^ Education is a good thing indeed, but it seems perhaps you need more of it as well. Following your logic, anything with an arch shape or that resembles a tall column (I gather that's what you were pointing at) should be classified as 'neo-classical' (e.g. Narodowy, look at these arches on the roof ;)). That is massive oversimplification. No, that's simply not true. Neo-classicism tries to recreate classic canon of ancient Greece or Rome forms, as faithfully as possible. So if you want to call a building 'neo-classistic', it has too look very much like an ancient greek or roman building. What you showed me is a rather poorly executed and very, very remote variation on the topic.

On a side note, I got your point about keeping the aura alive long ago: if these arches and columns help Ukrainian folks remembering their glorious past, so be it! :drunk:

:wallbash: neoclassism and neoclassisist inspired are a bit different :wave:...if you can't understand that simple difference i'm afraid i can't do much else for you...be good though :rock:

p.s. all your posts are rubbish, including your ignorant comments about ukrainians....and you're obviously not a sports fan because you don't honor history: stats, great teams, personalities, miracles that can only happen between those white lines you don't understand or appreciate (maybe it's because poland has never had a decent team in anything (not just soccer) and if it wasn't for ukraine you wouldn't be hosting shit)....clearly we've established YOUR interpretation of "objectivity";

so i will say: oh dear just because you said so, and since you're so objective, silly me, but of course narodowy is the "bestest stadium in all the land":angel:.....it is polish after all :cheers: now go get a league, because what you have right now is amateur hour

p.s. all your posts are rubbish, including your ignorant comments about ukrainians....and you're obviously not a sports fan because you don't honor history: stats, great teams, personalities, miracles that can only happen between those white lines you don't understand or appreciate (maybe it's because poland has never had a decent team in anything (not just soccer) and if it wasn't for ukraine you wouldn't be hosting shit)....clearly we've established YOUR interpretation of "objectivity";



WTF? I won't waste my time responding to your insults, I'll just throw in one more observation: even when talking about football (that's how soccer is called in Europe, mate ;)) you've got trouble sticking to the facts. So go and look out for "miracles between those white lines" elsewhere, not in the thread on Narodowy. Good bye.

WTF? I won't waste my time responding to your insults, I'll just throw in one more observation: even when talking about football (that's how soccer is called in Europe, mate ;)) you've got trouble sticking to the facts. So go and look out for "miracles between those white lines" elsewhere, not in the thread on Narodowy. Good bye.

good argument: semantics....i happen to be an american...but of course narodowy is a better stadium only because jacek says football...got it ;)

(maybe it's because poland has never had a decent team in anything (not just soccer)

That's a funny comment specially from Ukrainian side ;)

Football World Cup - All Time Table :

Poland:

1974 - Third place
1982 - Third place

PL W D L GOALS PTS
1.Brazil (19) 97 67 15 15 210- 88 216
2.Germany (17) 99 60 19 20 206-117 199
3.Italy (17) 80 44 21 15 126- 74 153
4.Argentina (15) 70 37 13 20 123- 80 124
5.England (13) 59 26 19 14 77- 52 97
6.Spain (13) 56 28 12 16 88- 59 96
7.France (13) 54 25 11 18 96- 68 86
8.Netherlands (9) 43 22 10 11 71- 44 76
9.Uruguay (11) 47 18 12 17 76- 65 66
10.Sweden (11) 46 16 13 17 74- 69 61
11.Serbia **(11) 43 17 8 18 64- 59 59
12.Russia ***(9) 37 17 6 14 64- 44 57
13.Poland (7) 31 15 5 11 44- 40 50
14.Mexico (14) 49 12 13 24 52- 89 49
15.Hungary (9) 32 15 3 14 87- 57 48
16.Czech Republic *(9) 33 12 5 16 47- 49 41
17.Austria (7) 29 12 4 13 43- 47 40
18.Portugal (5) 23 12 3 8 39- 22 39
19.Belgium (11) 36 10 9 17 46- 63 39
20.Chile (8) 29 9 6 14 34- 45 33
21.Switzerland (9) 29 9 6 14 38- 52 33
22.Paraguay (8) 27 7 10 10 30- 38 31
23.Romania (7) 21 8 5 8 30- 32 29
24.Denmark (4) 16 8 2 6 27- 24 26
25.United States (9) 29 7 5 17 32- 56 26
26.South Korea (8) 28 5 8 15 28- 61 23
27.Croatia (3) 13 6 2 5 15- 11 20
28.Scotland (8) 23 4 7 12 25- 41 19
29.Cameroon (6) 20 4 7 9 17- 34 19
30.Bulgaria (7) 26 3 8 15 22- 53 17
31.Turkey (2) 10 5 1 4 20- 17 16
32.Japan (4) 14 4 3 7 12- 16 15
33.Peru (4) 15 4 3 8 19- 31 15
34.Rep. of Ireland (3) 13 2 8 3 10- 10 14
35.Ghana (2) 9 4 2 3 9- 10 14
36.Nigeria (4) 14 4 2 8 17- 21 14
37.Northern Ireland(3) 13 3 5 5 13- 23 14
38.Colombia (4) 13 3 2 8 14- 23 11
39.South Africa (3) 9 2 4 3 11- 16 10
40.Morocco (4) 13 2 4 7 12- 18 10
41.Costa Rica (3) 10 3 1 6 12- 21 10
42.Ecuador (2) 7 3 - 4 7- 8 9
43.Norway (3) 8 2 3 3 7- 8 9
44.Australia (3) 10 2 3 5 8- 17 9
45.Senegal (1) 5 2 2 1 7- 6 8
46.East Germany (1) 6 2 2 2 5- 5 8
47.Algeria (3) 9 2 2 5 6- 12 8
48.Saudi Arabia (4) 13 2 2 9 9- 32 8
49.Côte d'Ivoire (2) 6 2 1 3 9- 9 7
50.Ukraine (1) 5 2 1 2 5- 7 7

Poland - Football - Olympics

1972 - Gold
1976 - Silver
1992 - Silver

Ukraine during world cup or olympics :dunno:

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some other team sports - looking at the last 10 years :

Voleyball - World Championships (men) :

2006: Poland - silver

European Volleyball Championship (men) :

2009: Poland - gold (current european champions)

European Volleyball Championship (women) :

2003: Poland - gold
2005: Poland - gold
2009: Poland - bronze

Any Ukrainian sucess in voleyball ? :dunno:

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Handball

World Handball Championship

2007: Poland - silver
2009: Poland - bronze

any Ukrainian sucess in handball :dunno:

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Basketball - Poland sucks - true, but still is better in case of both national teams as well as clubs then Ukraine

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Ice Hockey - Poland sucks - true, but Ukraine sucks as well.

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So where are those great Ukrainian teams and I am not talking about fooball team sponsored by oligarchs :dunno:

Well said DocentX :)



But yes, it's clear that the biggest stadium should host the final, and Kiev is the biggest one. So they deserved it.

But Stadion Narodowy is more spectacular and innovative than the Kiev National stadium. It looks also bigger outside than the Ukrainian one.
The spire is almost 100m above the grass, that's impressive ! :cheers:

UEFA Country coefficients 2010/11 :cheers:

1 England 16.625 17.875 15.000 17.928 17.642 85.070 1/7
2 Spain 19.000 13.875 13.312 17.928 16.928 81.043 3/7
3 Germany 9.500 13.500 12.687 18.083 15.66669.436 1/6
4 Italy 11.928 10.250 11.375 15.428 11.571 60.552 0/7
5 France 10.000 6.928 11.000 15.000 10.750 53.678 0/6
6 Portugal 8.083 7.928 6.785 10.000 16.800 49.596 3/5
7 Russia 6.625 11.250 9.750 6.166 10.916 44.707 0/6
8 Ukraine 6.500 4.875 16.625 5.800 10.083 43.883 0/6
9 Netherlands 8.214 5.000 6.333 9.416 11.16640.129 0/6
10 Turkey 6.100 9.750 7.000 7.600 4.600 35.050 0/5
11 Greece 4.666 7.500 6.500 7.900 7.600 34.166 0/5
12 Denmark 6.125 5.125 8.200 4.400 6.70030.550 0/5
13 Belgium 4.700 4.500 4.500 8.700 4.600 27.000 0/5
14 Romania 11.333 2.600 2.642 6.083 3.166 25.824 0/6
15 Scotland 6.750 10.250 1.875 2.666 3.60025.141 0/5
16 Switzerland 4.100 6.250 2.900 5.750 5.90024.900 0/5
17 Israel 6.000 2.375 1.750 7.250 4.625 22.000 0/4
18 Czech Republic 5.750 5.125 2.375 4.100 3.50020.850 0/4
19 Austria 1.500 3.200 2.250 9.375 4.375 20.700 0/4
20 Cyprus 1.750 2.666 6.333 4.250 3.125 18.124 0/4
21 Bulgaria 5.125 2.750 2.250 3.125 4.625 17.875 0/4
22 Croatia 1.000 3.666 4.333 3.000 4.125 16.124 0/4
23 Belarus 1.000 1.833 4.000 3.375 5.875 16.083 0/4
24 Poland 2.625 1.666 5.000 2.125 4.500 15.916 0/4

UEFA Club coefficients 2010/11 :cheers:

14. FC Shakhtar Donetsk UKR 13.300 7.975 29.325 11.160 26.016 87.776

29. FC Dynamo Kyiv UKR 6.300 3.975 22.325 9.160 19.016 60.776

59. FC Metalist Kharkiv UKR 1.300 1.975 18.325 2.660 10.016 34.276

92 KKS Lech Poznań POL 0.525 0.333 8.000 1.925 10.900 21.683

good argument: semantics....i happen to be an american...but of course narodowy is a better stadium only because jacek says football...got it ;)

your a troll,now do us all a favour and go and troll somewhere else.
:wallbash:

ophizer what did you say ? Poland has never had a decent team in anything ? That's so funny when i view a ukraine sport i see BIG nothing.

UEFA Country coefficients 2010/11 :cheers:

1 England 16.625 17.875 15.000 17.928 17.642 85.070 1/7
2 Spain 19.000 13.875 13.312 17.928 16.928 81.043 3/7
3 Germany 9.500 13.500 12.687 18.083 15.66669.436 1/6
4 Italy 11.928 10.250 11.375 15.428 11.571 60.552 0/7
5 France 10.000 6.928 11.000 15.000 10.750 53.678 0/6
6 Portugal 8.083 7.928 6.785 10.000 16.800 49.596 3/5
7 Russia 6.625 11.250 9.750 6.166 10.916 44.707 0/6
8 Ukraine 6.500 4.875 16.625 5.800 10.083 43.883 0/6
9 Netherlands 8.214 5.000 6.333 9.416 11.16640.129 0/6
10 Turkey 6.100 9.750 7.000 7.600 4.600 35.050 0/5
11 Greece 4.666 7.500 6.500 7.900 7.600 34.166 0/5
12 Denmark 6.125 5.125 8.200 4.400 6.70030.550 0/5
13 Belgium 4.700 4.500 4.500 8.700 4.600 27.000 0/5
14 Romania 11.333 2.600 2.642 6.083 3.166 25.824 0/6
15 Scotland 6.750 10.250 1.875 2.666 3.60025.141 0/5
16 Switzerland 4.100 6.250 2.900 5.750 5.90024.900 0/5
17 Israel 6.000 2.375 1.750 7.250 4.625 22.000 0/4
18 Czech Republic 5.750 5.125 2.375 4.100 3.50020.850 0/4
19 Austria 1.500 3.200 2.250 9.375 4.375 20.700 0/4
20 Cyprus 1.750 2.666 6.333 4.250 3.125 18.124 0/4
21 Bulgaria 5.125 2.750 2.250 3.125 4.625 17.875 0/4
22 Croatia 1.000 3.666 4.333 3.000 4.125 16.124 0/4
23 Belarus 1.000 1.833 4.000 3.375 5.875 16.083 0/4
24 Poland 2.625 1.666 5.000 2.125 4.500 15.916 0/4
I think we all know Polish football since 1986 SUCKS.WTF has that got to do with the NT stadium?YOur idiotic friend began this by talking about weak polish league.
PLease dont spoil the t7hread with meaningless crap.
thanks
RIGHT OPHIZER got what he has been after for a while,i think we now ignore troll and let mods do their work.

FIFA World Ranking (Mar 2011) :cheers:

35 Ukraine 678 -2 -29

71 Poland 449 -1 -25

This rankings is so bad, when you are 40 places before us in ranking why ukraine don't win in 2010 with poland ? Ukraine not win with team which is in 71 place in ranking ?

FIFA World Ranking (Mar 2011) :cheers:

35 Ukraine 678 -2 -29

71 Poland 449 -1 -25

:ohno:
GOod grief.
Yes,very good.
Now,Poland has 2 world cup semi final appearances,how many ukraine?
Moral of the story,what a pointless point scoring thread started by a troll.

112 meters excatly, for the top of the spire :cheers:

Dynamo Kyiv
-UEFA Cup Winners
Cup Winners(2): 1975, 1986
-UEFA Super Cup
Winners(1): 1975
-UEFA Champions League
Semifinalists: 1977, 1987, 1999;

Shakhtar Donetsk
-UEFA Cup
Winners: (1) 2009

POLSKA GOLA, How about the Polish clubs? :cheers:

Dynamo Kyiv
-UEFA Cup Winners
Cup Winners(2): 1975, 1986
-UEFA Super Cup
Winners(1): 1975
-UEFA Champions League
Semifinalists: 1977, 1987, 1999;

Shakhtar Donetsk
-UEFA Cup
Winners: (1) 2009

POLSKA GOLA, How about the Polish clubs? :cheers:

READ MY POSTS !:nuts::ohno:
Your idiotic friend started this stupidity insulting Polish league,are you the same person or are you as idiotic as him?
I'll not waste my time replying to childish and quite frankly totally off topic posts.

READ MY POSTS !:nuts::ohno:
Your idiotic friend started this stupidity insulting Polish league,are you the same person or are you as idiotic as him?
I'll not waste my time replying to childish and quite frankly totally off topic posts.

He is not my friend. I'm not familiar with him.:lol: And what in my posts "childish"?:lol: I simply quote the facts ...

Ok, ok stop off topic...

^^ come on guys lets keep on topic eh?

He is not my friend. I'm not familiar with him.:lol: And what in my posts "childish"?:lol: I simply quote the facts ...

Ok, ok stop off topic...

What for? Now you feel better? I smell inferiority complex. This is Stadion Narodowy in Warsaw thread. Stop trolling.

If you wanna talk about who has bigger - start new thread.
This one is about "Narodowy @ Warsaw".

Offtopics will be punished.

Friends from Kyiv - this note is for you, primary.

@ophizer @Harisson

Just stop trolling here.

Saturday

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z pociągu:

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:drool::drool:

UEFA Club coefficients 2010/11 :cheers:

14. FC Shakhtar Donetsk UKR 13.300 7.975 29.325 11.160 26.016 87.776

29. FC Dynamo Kyiv UKR 6.300 3.975 22.325 9.160 19.016 60.776

59. FC Metalist Kharkiv UKR 1.300 1.975 18.325 2.660 10.016 34.276

92 KKS Lech Poznań POL 0.525 0.333 8.000 1.925 10.900 21.683
what overpaid foreigners have to do with Ukrainian football?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Shakhtar_Donetsk#Current_squad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Dynamo_Kyiv#Current_squad
Where are those triumphs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_national_football_team

18.04.2011

http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl/upload/editor/image/b_1981530075.jpg

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http://www.stadionnarodowy.org.pl

what overpaid foreigners have to do with Ukrainian football?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Shakhtar_Donetsk#Current_squad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Dynamo_Kyiv#Current_squad
Where are those triumphs?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_national_football_team

Leave this... The argument, which ophizer used and was continued by Harrisson is so dumb, that it is simply not worth answering it.

By Sławek:


http://lorenc.home.pl/ssc_sn.jpg

^^ Amazing :applause:

Haha. You started that "who got the better football history" competition, and now you're crying, because current Ukrainian achievements undoubtedly prevail ours. Our national team is extremely poor and deserves for its place in UEFA and FIFA ranks. I don't know, what for we are building these stadiums if our national team is going weaker and weaker and clubs cannot break through the first stages of eliminations. Wouldn't it be better to invest these money into Science and Technology, roads, hospitals or even Kindergartens (Polish demography is rapidly shrinking)? All of these “basins” are significantly overpriced with no chance to recollect invested funds. The erection of National Stadium in Warsaw costs 500 mln Euro- more, than Allianz Arena in Munich and Emirates Stadium in London even though we didn’t have to pay for terrain, labour wages are maybe 1/3 of German wages and the whole investment is factually tax free. Is it normal that contractual price rise more than 80% during only two years of construction? Are we really as rich to waste such a sh*tload of money?

I hope I won’t be treated as a troll. I insulted nobody just expressed my opinion

I don't know, what for we are building these stadiums

Stadiums are for football playing :) Come on, don't cry in this topic. Here is not parliament.