Of all the jaw-dropping projects in all the great cities of Russia, this must me one of the best i've seen so far - and it gets bonus point from me for coming to us from KALININGRAD:yes:


«The Baltic forum» - new model of the theater - the multifunctional city center, center of cultural life of region. The environment of a theatrical building is a huge amphitheater, the townspeople's hall inverted on the theatrical square and the Nidgnui pond. By authors plan life should boil all day and night in this place due to the inclusion in the program of cafe, restaurants and the exhibition spaces leaving to the covered planted trees and shrubs theater square. Emerald stained-glass window of a theater building and under tribune spaces, as if the huge wave raise from a pond, injects Baltic breath enclosed in a Gothic covering lattice in the city center.


Short video presentation:
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/kalinin1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/Kalinin2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/Kalinin3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/Kalinin4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/CrazySerb/Kalinin5.jpg

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We have a section for projects, this isn't it.

Oh I know, but there it would get lost somewhere between the deluge of ROmania/Bulgaria threads;)

KM, you know when I first saw this thread, I was wondering "What the hell does KM care about the Baltics?" but then when I saw "Kaliningrad" "great cities of Russia", well then I understood why this thread was opened :laugh:

I do care about the Baltics...the region is the single largest source of my favorite delicacy:yes:

http://www.russianfoods.com/showroom/product01407/vendor003E7/pimages/111B001.jpg

Btw, you really read too much out of my clearly innocent intentions.:D

Just to add, the highrise models next to the "Baltic Forum" re renderings of a project called "Kalinngrad-City" (Almost every major highrise project in Russia is called ___-City). Supposedly, construction is supposed to start next year, but my gut feeling tells me that it will suffer the same fate as the Besix Tower (KM should be familiar).

the ugliest city has a project? woooow.

Oh I know, but there it would get lost somewhere between the deluge of ROmania/Bulgaria threads;)

^^ :lol: Oh boy! you are really one crazy Serb who feels eternal love for Russia :lol::lol::lol: Zivelo Slovensko bratstvo! :lol::lol::lol:

so now they want to be a part of the Baltics :lol:

btw, CrazySerb :) Check out here (http://www.luisi.ru/prikol_818.php) some of the roads in your beloved Russia :shocked::shocked::shocked: It is the road to one of the great Russian cities - Yakitsk. Is Putin going to invest some money in that ?

btw, CrazySerb :) Check out here (http://www.luisi.ru/prikol_818.php) some of the roads in your beloved Russia :shocked::shocked::shocked: It is the road to one of the great Russian cities - Yakitsk. Is Putin going to invest some money in that ?

It's a local zimnik (winter-only road) and it is not in use in warm months.

Some cities at Russian Far North have no road link to Mainland at all - build a road thru thousands of kilometers in waste tundras is unefficient. So those cities can be accessible only by air or by sea/river.

At long northern winters, when swampy land is frozen, winter roads are maintained too. But in summer - it is impossible to reach those cities by car, and guys on photos prove it.

Russia is TOO big, and in Siberia you can't build a road anywhere you want.

holly shit, and the polish roads are said to be the worst one in europe, i think that in normal country that shit wouldn't be allowed to usage, and i was very surprised with the big traffic on it

It's a local zimnik (winter-only road) and it is not in use in warm months.

We call zimnik the basement of the ordinary bulgarian house, where usually big supplies of food products, cans, meat delicacies, barrels with home made wine or high spirit drinks are kept. I have heard stories how ordinary russians get shocked when they see a bulgarian house's zimnik. :) After seeing all the alcohol and food they usually say that if they had this in their russian home , they wouldn't need to go to work. :)

We call zimnik the basement of the ordinary bulgarian house, where usually big supplies of food products, cans, meat delicacies, barrels with home made wine or high spirit drinks are kept. I have heard stories how ordinary russians get shocked when they see a bulgarian house's zimnik. :) After seeing all the alcohol and food they usually say that if they had this in their russian home , they wouldn't need to go to work. :)

There is many words that sounds similar, but mean different. When I was in former Yugoslavia, my guide ask me not use the Russian word "spichka" (match) in public, because in Serbian this word sounds like something completely different )))

holly shit, and the polish roads are said to be the worst one in europe, i think that in normal country that shit wouldn't be allowed to usage, and i was very surprised with the big traffic on it

Well, without any doubt I think we can find "road" like this at any big country. You think in distant regions of USA or Canada there are highways only? :lol:

There is many words that sounds similar, but mean different. When I was in former Yugoslavia, my guide ask me not use the Russian word "spichka" (match) in public, because in Serbian this word sounds like something completely different )))

^^ In Bulgaria it is ok , as many people know russian... still here "pichka" means hot girl in slang :) There were some kind of matches here years ago , with pictures of pretty girls with big boobs on them. People were joking that these matches are "spichki" :lol:

^^ In Bulgaria it is ok , as many people know russian... still here "pichka" means hot girl in slang :) There were some kind of matches here years ago , with pictures of pretty girls with big boobs on them. People were joking that these matches are "spichki" :lol:

:nuts::nuts::nuts::banana:

the ugliest city has a project? woooow.

control yourself please

There is many words that sounds similar, but mean different. When I was in former Yugoslavia, my guide ask me not use the Russian word "spichka" (match) in public, because in Serbian this word sounds like something completely different )))

:lol: and vice versa. When some of the Soviet leaders visited Yugoslavia he was puzzled with a huge sign saying ТИТО - НАШ ПОНОС (TITO - OUR PRIDE in Serbian, but something a bit different in Russian)

control yourself please

why? it is for god sake the ugliest city in Baltic region, nice that it wants to change its appearance.

Maybe it's the ugliest big city (200 000+) because I'm sure that we can find many uglier looking small towns.
As for Music Center, it looks just great. Kaliningrad needs more of such projects. Are there any information about "Kalinngrad-City"?

why? it is for god sake the ugliest city in Baltic region, nice that it wants to change its appearance.

Uglier than Gdynia? Thats hard to imagine!

Uglier than Gdynia? Thats hard to imagine!

Gdynia is one of the nicest and richest city in CE with a huge development that Kaliningrad can dream of

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=254610
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=206434.

I don't see anything beautiful in that commie street. Reminds me of Vaci ut in Budapest. But Budapest (which is in CE too and comparing Budapest, Prague, Krakow etc. with Gdynia is quite funny) is lucky to have Vaci utca as well which does not have an equivalent in Gdynia. Actually Gdynia might as well be the ugliest city in whole Poland.

^^^ Gdynia has one of the highest standard of living in CE, something Serbia will not achieve in 20 years or more, you are too poor.

^^^ Gdynia has one of the highest standard of living in CE, something Serbia will not achieve in 20 years or more.

That's too bad :cry:

Btw what does Serbia have to do with any of this? Aren't we comparing
this high level standard of living in CE

Świętojańska, Gdynia
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/pdworakowski/100_2010.jpg

with this living in gloomy underdeveloped cities with no historical buildings?
Vaci, Budapest
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/200/526570092_f56a533876.jpg

Gdynia is only 80years old, still it looks great.

Is that your neutral opinion? :lol:

I don't see anything beautiful in that commie street.
It's modernism from the '20 :)

Is that your neutral opinion? :lol:

looks great - yes its my personal opinion, the age of the city is just a fact.

It's modernism from the '20 :)

I meant commie as in their simplistic philosophy which produced quite uninteresting architecture. Similar are functionalism etc.

delfin, ale ty masz kompleksy...

delfin, ale ty masz kompleksy...

na szczescie nie mieszkam w biednym Lublinie, miescie bez lotniska sic!

na szczescie nie mieszkam w biednym Lublinie, miescie bez lotniska sic!

ty naprawde masz ze sobą problem, w dziwny sposób chcesz się dowartościować. bardzo ci współczuję... Obrzydzasz tylko ludziom Polskę i właśnie dlatego czasem wstydzę sie za takich Polaków jak ty za granicą, co "srają wyżej niż dupy mają".

Poland is really sorry for delfin_pl :bash:

^^ it's ok, we know that not all Poles are like him :)

btw, nice project, hope it will get built. Kaliningrad needs more construction like that

nice project, good to see something move in this city. :cheers:

and yea, delfin is a well known troll, ignore him. those people who provoke him are also nothing but mere trolls themselves. :ohno:

I remember when we first brigged delfin whole Polish forum stood behind him and bombed me and De Snor with PMs containing photos of dolphins. Good to see that things have changed to better.

Back to project - is it a fantasy or there is a possibility for it to get built?

Well, I personally like Delfin_pl and wouldn't like to see him banned again.
There's a definite bond between us trolls:yes:

I think some people are being a little unfair to Gdynia and to Delfin_Pl...
The downtown area looks very clean and well kept, and also the style of architecture isn't "commie". It has a name - constructivism (1930-40) and art moderne (1920-1930), and I happen to find it very attractive. Even the suburban areas that were urbanized during the communist period look better than average... I think Delfin is just proud of his city which is generally a good thing...

Just out of my head I can name many Polish cities which I find way more attractive - Krakow, Lublin, Gdansk, Lodz, Poznan, Wroclaw...and then many other CE cities like Budapest, Prague, Ljubljana, Vienna, Bratislava...Putting Gdynia in that group is plane ridiculous.

btw, CrazySerb :) Check out here (http://www.luisi.ru/prikol_818.php) some of the roads in your beloved Russia :shocked::shocked::shocked: It is the road to one of the great Russian cities - Yakitsk. Is Putin going to invest some money in that ?

Why is that guy standing there half naked?
http://www.luisi.ru/prikol_818_19.jpg

Trying to have some fun while being trapped in Siberian nowhere

Ambitious project, i like it! And on the whole, is this new district some kind of Kaliningrad City? Are those shadow towers a genuine project, or just some vague conceptions?

Well, I personally like Delfin_pl and wouldn't like to see him banned again.
There's a definite bond between us trolls:yes:

OMG , statement of the year! I cried! :hilarious

I knew you'd like it;)

And yes , paku, its a genuine project. Everything in Russia is genuine these days.:yes:

I was too harsh yesterday, was in the bad mood, I do apologise.

Why is that guy standing there half naked?
http://www.luisi.ru/prikol_818_19.jpg

nah, probably in speedos

speedos + shirts don't mix


Are these people the Russian redneck white trash equivalent?

I like the project. And last photo is great :D

Just out of my head I can name many Polish cities which I find way more attractive - Krakow, Lublin, Gdansk, Lodz, Poznan, Wroclaw...and then many other CE cities like Budapest, Prague, Ljubljana, Vienna, Bratislava...Putting Gdynia in that group is plane ridiculous.

You don't know what you are talking about :ohno: or you just love run-down buildings

Everything in Russia is genuine these days.:yes:

^^ Atlas of the Roads in Russia according to Art Lebedev

http://tema.ru/crea-gif/atlas.jpg

And oh wait ... is it Russia or Ussria ?

http://tema.ru/crea-gif/ussria.gif

^^ what's the point of posting this?

^^ what's the point of posting this?

It doesn't have anything to do with you. As you see i just make a little joke with Crazy Serb. :cheers:

^^^ Gdynia has one of the highest standard of living in CE, something Serbia will not achieve in 20 years or more, you are too poor.
20 years ago serbia was richer, who says it won´t be richer again? u r pathetic man.

^^ :lol: Oh boy! you are really one crazy Serb who feels eternal love for Russia :lol::lol::lol: Zivelo Slovensko bratstvo! :lol::lol::lol:
he is half russian as far as i know.

Oh my. Poland is even more poor than Latvia now. It is very dangerous to hitchhike in Poland. usually when on trip we take Ryanair plane somewhere west and than continue. Crazy peasants can rob you elsewhere :)
In London I asked the way. old guy suspiciously looked at me. Are you polish? - he sked. No. Than he showed me the way. He said that he would send me out of the city because polish <censored many time :)> in this city. Also working in UK I saw how they act. Usually crazy religious, thinking that Poland is superpower etc. but living in dirt blah blah blah. usually they never rose to the better position at work. Despite immigrants from Latvia who studied language fas, rose up, changed works. Some even open their own small business during 2 years. That what I saw in UK.
P.S. My grandfather was polish. He was from slahtic or how do you write it. Very rich anyway. All prosperity was nationalized, robbed, destroyed by commies in 1940 anyway :D

Oh my. Poland is even more poor than Latvia now.

:lol: look at an average salary and HDI.
rank
37.Poland
45.Latvia
and I wouldn't compare Poland with a country that is less populous than one Voivodeship in Poland

:lol: look at an average salary and HDI.
rank
37.Poland
45.Latvia
and I wouldn't compare Poland with a country that is less populous than one Voivodeship in Poland

ha ha ha , maybe Poland is better than Germany too .

dream on :lol:

You know guys, I really don't see how any of this has to do with this project from Kaliningrad.

I mean, I love Poland, but there are other threads to discuss polish issues:yes:

It's because Delfin PL who is 30 years old and acting like a envious 12 year kid. He is still dealing with huge complexes from his childhood and trying to cure them by trashing other nations and trying to convience himself that his nation is superior to them .

ha ha ha , maybe Poland is better than Germany too .

dream on :lol:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552045

It's because Delfin PL who is 30 years old and acting like a envious 12 year kid. He is still dealing with huge complexes from his childhood and trying to cure them by trashing other nations and trying to convience himself that his nation is superior to them .

your PM showed who has complexes, when you asked me to wipe British asses, BTW don't make me older I'm still in my 20's

Murci, it is a big different between prices and salary. Latvia has bigger GDP per capita. Also polish roads were the worsts (much worse than belrussian) some years ago. Maybe they are better now but I prefer airplane.

Well, that doesn't change the fact that Serbia sucks donkey's ass :)

Just to put some spicy add-ons to the flame war :lol:

Murci, it is a big different between prices and salary. Latvia has bigger GDP per capita. Also polish roads were the worsts (much worse than belrussian) some years ago. Maybe they are better now but I prefer airplane.

first of all we have twice as big salaries as in Latvia and much bigger traffic, yes our roads are in much better condition right now, while Latvia has no a single kilometer of a motorway :)

Seriously, this shit needs to STOP. Delfin - waaaaay off topic, you want to keep the fights going? So fight in PM. Thanks. Others, if you really, reaaaaally want to provke him do it in PM. You don't even have to use nice, clean language like you would on here. :)

Well, that doesn't change the fact that Serbia sucks donkey's ass :)

Just to put some spicy add-ons to the flame war :lol:
bulgaria even more :LOL: continuing flame war

bulgaria even more :LOL: continuing flame war

^^ Bulgaria is at least not ...

slepo Evropsko crevo. Kosovo, Mladic, nezaposlenost, besparica, opsti nerad i nedisciplina ima li resenja za ovaj haos ili se agonija nastavlja? Srbijo,zemljo dembelijo... Svakim danom, u svakom pogledu Srbija postaje sve veca i veca "crna rupa".

continuing the flame war with a quote from some serbians (http://www.b92.net/info/komentari.php?nav_id=229876) on B92 :D

troll attack! en garde!

Serbia sucks more than Bulgaria of course!

To arms, to arms!!!

:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:

this thread has been killed...

shame on you trolls

^^ This thread was started as a troll thread by a troll :) So what is the problem ?

^^ turnovec u r the king of all trolls on this forum :)

^^ turnovec u r the king of all trolls on this forum :)

Hurray !!! I am the serbs & macedonians favourite , i know that already :)

continuing the flame war with a quote from some serbians (http://www.b92.net/info/komentari.php?nav_id=229876) on B92 :D

Turnovec , B92 has lost all the credibility it gained in the ninteees during the Milosevic's rull. Everyone in Serbia laughs about it . It is so obvious who is funding this station . And the comments they publish .......well.... no comment , really .:ohno:

Turnovec , B92 has lost all the credibility it gained in the ninteees during the Milosevic's rull. Everyone in Serbia laughs about it . It is so obvious who is funding this station . And the comments they publish .......well.... no comment , really .:ohno:

Yes, dirty Jews right? That's the argument I hear the most and honestly when I hear I can't take it seriously for a single second. It's miserable people who have failed in their lives who need to blame it on someone so who's better target than Jews...

^^ This thread was started as a troll thread by a troll :) So what is the problem ?

What the fyck?:?
Where are the mods?:?

What the fyck?:?
Where are the mods?:?

Just ignore him, the guy needs professional help.

Delfin, I so poorness in poland. It remainded me belrussian countryside. And of course Warsaw was ok. 2x bigger salaries? LOL. They are about 10% bigger. And if I was a moderator I would delete all unnecessary posts not about architecture. With pop 2.3mil we don't need too much motorways. It is very bad that you have such complexes in your 20s, I thought you are 13.
bgrs, I would be interesting to look at Bulgaria if it was bombed by all NATO air force and left in isolation.
And poor poor moderation oO Shit usually happens on unmodearated forum. All worst of human characteristic feel free in the internet ;)

bgrs, I would be interesting to look at Bulgaria if it was bombed by all NATO air force and left in isolation.

Recently, in another thread I answered a question like that. It was again some thread about Serbia vs Poland and stuff like that. Basically, my country suffered a lot because of that wars in Serbia despite we were not bombed by NATO (thanks God, our idiot politicians are not as dumb as the Serbian ones). Mostly due to the huge economic losses because of the embargo, all the organized crime associated with that (I mean illegal exports and stuff) and the fact that the Balkans became notorious for political instability and for years, noone wanted to invest here. It was a war in ex-Yugoslavia, but all the region suffered badly because of that.

Apparently, "the region" suffered more than ex-Yugoslav countries, as not only do Slovenia & Croatia today have higher salaries/quality of life than any other country in the region (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but the much suffering Bosnia, the NATO bombed Serbia and Macedonia where the last war happened in 2001 all beat out Bulgaria as well:eek:

Our politicians may be dumb, but they are also fricking MAGICIANS:yes:

...and you're just a troll obsessed by your imaginary "standart of life" stories that became a famous topic for jokes here in Bulgaria. Apparently I have nothing against your beliefs though I'm considering migrating to Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia.However I'd need a green card won from some lucky lottery, wouldn't I? Please tell me, I'm desperately trying to escape the misery of that ugly fucked by the EU Bulgaria. I'm considering Bosnia a a refugee option. Slovenia is not an option - they've changed Belgrade for Bruxelles and now they are paying even more to support the poor regions, that's right, so Slovenia should be some kind of a deprived country. I want a Bosnian citizenship ASAP. Whose part are you going to reccomend to me, the Serb, the Croatian or the Bosniak?

Apparently, "the region" suffered more than ex-Yugoslav countries, as not only do Slovenia & Croatia today have higher salaries/quality of life than any other country in the region (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but the much suffering Bosnia, the NATO bombed Serbia and Macedonia where the last war happened in 2001 all beat out Bulgaria as well:eek:

Our politicians may be dumb, but they are also fricking MAGICIANS:yes:

zawUpq-BwqE

:rock::banana2:

Apparently, "the region" suffered more than ex-Yugoslav countries, as not only do Slovenia & Croatia today have higher salaries/quality of life than any other country in the region (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but the much suffering Bosnia, the NATO bombed Serbia and Macedonia where the last war happened in 2001 all beat out Bulgaria as well:eek:

Our politicians may be dumb, but they are also fricking MAGICIANS:yes:

KM is on crack again.

:cheers:

2x bigger salaries? LOL. They are about 10% bigger.

don't fool us with this crap,

Median gross weekly private sector earnings: eastern Europe *
(February 2006)
Latvia 68 Euro
Poland 147 Euro

Monthly gross statutory minimum wage rates
Full-time adult employees, aged 23+ (January 2006)

Latvia 128 Euro
Poland 233 Euro
http://www.finfacts.com/Private/isl/PayinEurope.htm

average salary in 2005 (January)

Latvia - 360 $
Poland - 700 $

http://www.centreurope.org/overview/average_salary_central_europe.htm

average salary in 2007 (September)

Poland 1169 $

http://gospodarka.gazeta.pl/gospodarka/1,69866,4497414.html

KM is on crack again.

Only Russia has better quality of life than Serbia. But that's because it's slightly larger than Serbia :)

Only Russia has better quality of life than Serbia. But that's because it's slightly larger than Serbia :)

No, quality of life is much better in Srbija than in Russia. GDP and HDI statistics are flawed. After seeing the photos on the Serbian subforum, I was convinced they were a 1st world country (by 1970s standards).

Typical (Balkan Style) house in Srbija (Well actually its in Bosnia, but they all look the same) :)
http://i18.tinypic.com/6yarzx5.jpg



Typical house in Russia :(
http://www.geocities.com/johnsquier/Train/1183CabininSiberia.jpg

Krasnaya Zima, why are you bashing Russia in every thread? Is it some kind of sarcastic remarks that I am not getting? :D

Apparently, "the region" suffered more than ex-Yugoslav countries, as not only do Slovenia & Croatia today have higher salaries/quality of life than any other country in the region (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, etc) but the much suffering Bosnia, the NATO bombed Serbia and Macedonia where the last war happened in 2001 all beat out Bulgaria as well:eek:

Our politicians may be dumb, but they are also fricking MAGICIANS:yes:

^^ Zatim slozno zapevati „Mozes da nam pusis Klintoneeeee, oooo Klintoneeee...” :drunk:

KM is on crack again.

:cheers:

^^ +1

Krasnaya Zima, why are you bashing Russia in every thread? Is it some kind of sarcastic remarks that I am not getting? :D

No, I love Russia, but after seeing so much of the rest of the world, I begin to think we are too underdeveloped.

Yes, dirty Jews right? That's the argument I hear the most and honestly when I hear I can't take it seriously for a single second. It's miserable people who have failed in their lives who need to blame it on someone so who's better target than Jews...
no they censure forum it is enough for using credibility.