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Jakes1
November 30th, 2007, 12:42 PM
The Silos
Residential
Newtown
Height (36m)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/granova/newtownsilos1.jpg

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Planning and design (although 6 apartments have been sold) - construction starts february 2008

Silo living in Newtown
Written by Lucille Davie
Friday, 30 November 2007
Premier Milling's Newtown silos have been bought by a developer with big plans for the round buildings. They will be converted into apartments, all with great views of the city.

The derelict silos off Quinn Street in Newtown, ready for redevelopment

FANCY living in a grain silo in the CBD? It’s possible, with a new R20-million development, coming on stream in 18 months’ time, to be called The Silos.
Builder and developer Paul Seggie has just bought Premier Milling’s 10 silos off Quinn Street in Newtown, and plans to turn them into 19 flats, including two luxury penthouses. All will have stunning views of the CBD skyline, and the penthouses will have their own roof gardens.

Seggie says that as a boy he liked the idea of silos and making something of them.

The silos, part of the Premier Milling complex of factory buildings in the CBD, were built in the early 1970s but have stood vacant and have become increasingly more derelict over the past 20 years. They stand alongside the now defunct railway lines, the means by which the grain was transported to the city. It was offloaded into the silos using underground funnels.

Across the road were the mills - now a successful office block conversion called The Mills. Premier Milling sold 26 stands in Newtown in 2002 to various developers and moved to new premises in Woodmead.

The western edge of the CBD has long been neglected, with its buildings reflecting a range of architectural styles, indicating its industrial nature.

A rebirth
But in recent years the area has experienced a rebirth – the internationally known Kippies jazz club has found a home next door to The Mills building. Across the road the architects that developed The Mills, Urban Solutions, converted an old office building into residential space called The Newtown.

Within a few blocks is Carfax nightclub. They are all on the doorstep of Mary Fitzgerald Square, the centre of Newtown’s revitalisation. The Market Theatre, Museum Africa, the Sci-Bono Discovery Centre, the Dance Factory, the Bassline nightclub, and several restaurants complete the picture.

Seggie is all too aware that the area has heritage value, and he will keep the metal industrial windows of the adjoining building and the basic feel of the structures. “I will be keeping the integrity of the cylinders.”

The silos with the adjoining building are ripe for re-use He marvels at the “miracles of precision building” of the silos. The 10 structures are built in two rows of five on a slight incline of 2,4 metres, at a height of 36 metres, with a diameter of six metres each. And yet, they are exact replicas of one another, to within 10 millimetres.

Architect Alastair Forsyth of Albonica Sack Mzumara Architects, the firm tasked with designing the conversion, says the walls are 18cm thick, constructed to hold the weight of the grain. For this reason they are structurally very capable of withstanding any additions that will be part of the development.

“The weight of the grain was much, more more than the weight we’re going to be adding. In a sense, the silos have been over-designed.”

Forsyth describes them as a “feat of engineering construction”, which he doubts could be repeated today.

Round views
Seggie particularly likes the fact that the flats will have round rooms, with round views.

“Every apartment will have unadulterated views. They will know they’re living in a silo,” he says. The units will start from 11 metres up the silos, the point from where views are possible.

Forsyth says the initial challenge of the silo project was the fact that the structures are all joined, and that there are no straight walls except for the massive vertical wall down the middle that joins them.

A vertical wall will be added, to be used in the bathrooms, Forsyth explains. There is easy access to the M1 south – he’s measured it out at exactly 45 metres from the onramp to the buildings.

Each apartment will have massive windows and balconies. A wooden deck with a pool, a small gym and a sundeck will extend outwards over the next building. Parking will be in the adjacent building, and walkways will extend from the parking to each unit.

There will be two levels of offices at the bottom of the silos – some 750m² of space, looking on to the narrow passage created by the two buildings on either side of the silos.

The complex will consist of one-bedroomed flats of 85m², going for R800 000; two-bedroomed apartments of 125m², up for grabs at R1,2-million; and two penthouses of 200m², going at R2,5-million. That works out at about R8 000m².

Already six of the units have been snapped up. Seggie says that although the basic layout will be the same, every apartment will be unique.

Seggie has been involved in other conversions – The Refinery lofts in Milpark, formerly a set of factory buildings, and converting a building in Braamfontein to office space.

The penthouse owners of The Silos are in for a treat – Seggie is a welder and one of his favourite items of metal work is staircases. “I love staircases,” he gushes, “I could weld before I could write.” He’s been in the building industry for the past six years, but has travelled the world and lived in Soweto for two years.

“If you call yourself a South African, you should have lived in a township. Besides, I employ guys who live there, so I wanted to know what it was like.”

Construction of The Silos begins in February. “This is a very exciting assignment,” concedes Forsyth.

Across the road from this development architect Paul Wygers of Urban Solutions is planning to build a 500-unit complex, consisting of studio, bachelor and one- and two-bedroomed flats, ready for occupation from mid-2009.

hsark
November 30th, 2007, 01:03 PM
woopie i want to buy a flat in newtown

Pule
November 30th, 2007, 01:26 PM
These are great news for that part of Newtown, it really needs this kind of refurb but again I think the developers need to bring more lively entertainment as its very quite and very reserved area and it is really unlike Newtown.

SA BOY
November 30th, 2007, 01:38 PM
the first 2 silo conversions were done in oz with an amazing one in Hobart Tasmania. Also the ones in CT by BOE in the waterfront were due to be converted into a retro industrial hotel.

Well done Jozi and it seems the good news just doesnt stop

joburg
November 30th, 2007, 04:00 PM
Cool! Really like the industrial look of it! Wonder how many floors we're looking at...

Jakes1
November 30th, 2007, 04:06 PM
well, at 36m - quite a few. They say the apartments start on the 11m mark. So that leaves us with 25m of apartments. lets say you take 3,5m per floor. 7 floors of apartments, and one lobby. so probably 8floors/ 9 max.

And then, you only have 19apartments so there is oodles of space for other stuff. This is good, but this are needs to be linked to newtown more directly. It feels a bit, uhm, post-apocalyptic on that side. Maybe a bit of greenery, trees, parks - heck, industrial is cool, but you need to soften the are some more.

As for the silo. If I had the cash I wouldhave done this ages ago.

Pule
February 1st, 2008, 04:57 PM
Again, I never saw any movement on this one.

joburg
February 1st, 2008, 05:29 PM
I've seen these being advertised in the Property Pages over the past few weeks, just hasn't been launched yet.

Whilst I think it's a fantastic idea, I seriously doubt the developer's will get their money's worth. The silos front onto a street that is essentially a rubbish dump...

It's only redeeming feature is it's proximity to the Fuel Cafe and Kippies etc.

Pule
February 1st, 2008, 05:52 PM
I've seen these being advertised in the Property Pages over the past few weeks, just hasn't been launched yet.

Whilst I think it's a fantastic idea, I seriously doubt the developer's will get their money's worth. The silos front onto a street that is essentially a rubbish dump...

It's only redeeming feature is it's proximity to the Fuel Cafe and Kippies etc.


My sentiments exactly, but lets hope they have considered that and through this we will see more investors joining the queue.

Jakes1
February 15th, 2008, 02:09 PM
They are selling - some of my collegues are looking at them at this stage. Extremely pricey. this is my favorite development though. Advertising in the star as well.

Loving the renders.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/granova/landscape3.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/granova/landscape2.jpg

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa259/granova/landscape1.jpg

joburg
February 15th, 2008, 04:59 PM
NICE! Very industrial-chic! Thanks Mr intelligent head-nodder!

Lydon
February 15th, 2008, 10:30 PM
I love it! Looks so wicked!

dysan1
February 16th, 2008, 09:38 AM
looks great...but when you say extremely pricey what money u talking?

joburg
February 16th, 2008, 03:11 PM
"The complex will consist of one-bedroomed flats of 85m², going for R800 000; two-bedroomed apartments of 125m², up for grabs at R1,2-million; and two penthouses of 200m², going at R2,5-million. That works out at about R8 000m²." :)

Pule
February 18th, 2008, 09:23 AM
I love it, love it but the area need to be done up.

Pule
July 18th, 2008, 08:49 AM
Any updates?

Jakes1
July 18th, 2008, 10:10 AM
None that I know of.

Pule
September 1st, 2008, 02:21 PM
Hope this will kick off soon as the other development next to it its in full steam.

t-bang!
September 1st, 2008, 02:56 PM
why is not anything happening? :gaah:

EduardSA
September 1st, 2008, 03:36 PM
Was supposed to start in February.... cough cough

Jakes1
September 1st, 2008, 04:58 PM
Tough housing market - investors arent scurrying in... The tax incentives might work. But the banner is up - you can see it from the highway. And Newtown corner is picking up speed, so this will add to the restaurants in the area.

Pule
October 26th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Any progressg?

Pule
December 11th, 2008, 08:16 AM
Saw people working in the vicinity of these but in other buildings over the weekend, it seems like they were demolishing the interior. But nothing on this one.

Pule
January 20th, 2009, 09:54 AM
The Carr Street upgrade project have started so lets hope that this one will now be given attention.

e22sky
January 23rd, 2009, 12:51 AM
great!!!!!

NickABQ
January 26th, 2009, 04:50 AM
Hey! I must say this is a brilliant example of adaptive re-use! Something like this would sell like hotcakes over here. The refurb would take quite awhile.... I assume that there is quite abit of cleaning up to do.

Love it. :)

joburg
October 5th, 2009, 11:49 AM
This development has popped up again. Pre-Sales launch is this Friday from 13:00 to 18:00. Got floor plans in email, can forward them on if anyone wants.

Not a big fan of the marketing... 'Everyone wants to live ROUND here'... erm.. :) Reminds me a bit of a promotional advert for a new home in Sunward Park in the 1970s...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/joburgboy/thesilos.jpg

Pule
October 5th, 2009, 12:12 PM
^^ I've sent you a PM.

Brian.K
October 5th, 2009, 05:41 PM
This development has popped up again. Pre-Sales launch is this Friday from 13:00 to 18:00. Got floor plans in email, can forward them on if anyone wants.

Not a big fan of the marketing... 'Everyone wants to live ROUND here'... erm.. :) Reminds me a bit of a promotional advert for a new home in Sunward Park in the 1970s...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g102/joburgboy/thesilos.jpg

please can i get info, wanna go to the launch as well.
thanks!

injoburg
November 30th, 2009, 12:20 PM
Not sure I'd live so close to the raised highway - it must be so noisy.

joburg
November 30th, 2009, 12:34 PM
I know people who live in The Newtown, and it's more noisy from The Woods downstairs than the motorway. I wouldn't mind the noise too much though.. i think.

Brian.K
November 30th, 2009, 12:38 PM
i think the silos are too small! the original concept of 80m and up was great. the revised concept of 27m is tiny!

Reason
December 3rd, 2009, 09:22 AM
I'm skeptical about this development, not least because of the inability of the developer (so effusively quoted in the original article) to deliver the goods. What they're proposing is a highly sophisticated development, but my dealings with his company would suggest that even basics like welding doors that shut properly or laying screed floors that don't crack after three months are tasks beyond their capacity.

My suspicions were borne out by a visit to the site yesterday: so far, despite the breathless PR about buying frenzies etc, there is little to see beyond a sales office, a PVC banner and the stench of foul water.

Also, on another level, this kind of inner city refurb comes at a social price. Driving around the area yesterday, i saw how many buildings had been totaled, obviously in the name of an inner city 'clean up'. The people who occupied those buildings (and remember: they are people even though they can't buy into a fashionable notion of inner city dwelling) have or are in the process of being moved out, away from economic opportunities and towards uncertain futures.

This is the great untold story of urban regeneration, one which escapes the enthusiastically positivist tone of property mag marketing: where do the people who lived in the squats go once the Red Ants are done with them?

All I'm really saying is, call it what it is: a capitalistic venture designed to generate profit for a select few. It isn't an altruistic, socially-conscious project, as the marketing bumf would have us believe.

Lydon
December 3rd, 2009, 06:14 PM
This is the great untold story of urban regeneration, one which escapes the enthusiastically positivist tone of property mag marketing: where do the people who lived in the squats go once the Red Ants are done with them?

Being poor is NO excuse to live in filth. Therefore, I hold no sympathy for them.

joburg
December 4th, 2009, 10:41 AM
^^ I don't know it's as simple as that... We do not live poor lives, and therefore it is very difficult (if not impossible) to say that, well, because they supposedly live filthy lifestyles that they must be kicked out to live a filthy lifestyle somewhere else - out of our own sight. I think it is quite plausible to suggest that people who are poor cannot afford to keep their keep their buildings in a pristine condition, to call a plumber when the toilet breaks down or floods, to buy a tumble dryer so as to avoid hanging clothing on the balcony, or to hire expensive shopping outfitters to make their shop windows as sparkly as Barney's New York.

I also do not like the red ants. I think the way they go about their business harks back to the days of forced removals, and the way that people's possessions are literally thrown on to the street completely ignores their sense of dignity. This is not what we should strive for in a democratic South Africa - it's too easy to do this, and it's just not good enough to say that it's the only solution.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have regulation - there should certainly be regulation, and this should be enforced - but it should be done on a far more pro-active and pragmatic level. And I say pragmatic specifically because kicking people out does not deal with the underlying causes of inner city decay. People simply move to squat in another part of the city, or choose to hawk their goods elsewhere. The problem isn't solved.

Check out my post re the red ants, and also see a photo of their actions
http://urbanjoburg.blogspot.com/2009/10/those-bullish-red-ants.html

Regarding the developer of the Silos, I agree that his/her product is quite crap, and the likely result will be 'el-cheapo' accommodation - cheap rental, cheap fittings. But I do not think we should discard how these types of development have benefited the city. If you look at what Pace has done in Braamfontein, the quality of the development is not good at all. But the result has been that students and young professionals are able to afford semi-decent accommodation, making Braamfontein an alive little inner-city node. I have no doubt that were it not for these developments, Braamfontein would be as dead as it was about 4 years ago.

Pule
December 30th, 2009, 08:10 AM
Any news on this?

Pule
August 17th, 2010, 08:40 PM
Jacko, what is happening here?

Jakes1
August 18th, 2010, 12:13 PM
No idea puls. No idea.