Nin hao ni men. Can anybody here be kind enough to direct me to a link where I can listen to Manchu language? :cheers:

Nin hao ni men. Can anybody here be kind enough to direct me to a link where I can listen to Manchu language? :cheers:

a ni yo ha sa yo!
only find this
满语为满洲族所使用的语言。属阿尔泰语系通古斯语族满语支。属于黏着语，语音上有不完全元音和谐现象。满文是在蒙古文的基础上加以改进而成的一种竖直书写的拼音文字。

据满洲实录，1599年清太祖命额尔德尼将蒙古文字借来创制满文。虽然两位顾问有反对，清太祖仍然继续把蒙古文改为无圈点文字 （满: tongki fuka akuu hergen), 也称老满文(或称为旧满文)。这种新文字通行当时的建州，为後金国的建立及满族的形成有深远的影响。後来达九海更增补了十二个字头，并於老满文字旁边加以圈点，使满文更加完善，这种新文字被称为「新满文」，并通行於後金。

北京紫禁城乾清门上的汉-满两种文字的牌匾（左为中文，右为满文：罗马拼音：kiyan cing men）

用满文书写「满洲」(罗马拼音：manju) 一词。

清代满语被定为国语。满文，满语在这个时期也被称为清语，清文。清代前期大多用满文发布诏、诰等，成为奏报、公文、教学、翻译和日常生活中使用的主要文字。在中原，自康熙晚期开始已少有满文奏??

清光绪九年(1884)新疆建省後，使用满语的人数达4万余人，其中除满族外，还包括锡伯族、达斡尔族等民族也使用满语。

满族辛亥革命以後逐渐改用汉语，目前能够掌握满文的人已经很少，只有黑龙江省少数乡镇的老人和部分语言学专家还能使用这种语言。目前在黑龙江哈尔滨的黑龙江大学有满语研究所。不过锡伯族、达斡尔族等民族的语言文字实际上可以被视为稍加改动的满语，他们一直使用这种语言至20世纪中叶。目前生活在新疆的锡伯族人仍旧在进行锡伯文的教育，并出版有锡伯文的报刊。

近年来，通过各方的努力，满语研究已正式成为黑龙江大学的重点学科；民间的满语学习班也在一些城市和网路中开始出现。



文法

满语有6个母音，22个辅音，10个用于拼写汉语词汇的特殊字母。母音分阳、阴、中三性，同性母音互相和谐，辅音也有和谐现象。满语字母在词头、词中、词尾的书写方式不同。

与同属于阿尔泰语系的突厥语和蒙古语相似，满语中存在「母音和谐」现象，即词干母音决定词缀母音，词干以a、e、o结尾，则词缀也以相同母音结尾，例如sula-ha，mute-le；词干以i、u结尾，词缀多为e，如bi-he，ku-he等。

满语最初以建州女真方言为规范语，经过上百年的发展，吸收了其他女真部落及锡伯等族的语言後，满语在北京发生音变，产生新方言，称为「京音」。其特点包括动词词尾-mbi的b不发音，ci、ji的母音发音极轻，ong、oi读成eng、ei等。但是满语的口语与书面语一致，发生音变之後，书面语也随之发生改变。

满语辞汇包括名词、代词、动词、形容词、副词、数词、後置词、连词、拟声词、拟态词、感叹词、助词。名词和代词有格和数的变化。数词分为基数词和序数词。形容词有程度和级的变化。动词有时态和格、式的变化，分现在时、过去时、将来时，主动态、被动态、使役态，陈述式、祈使式、条件式等。满语名词中从其他语言借用辞汇的现象比较明显。

附图为满文在现代网页上的浏览效果

在清朝，满语文是中西文化交流的重要载体，当时西方的耶稣会士学习满语文，向西方介绍中国。此后的很长一段时间里，满语文仍是国外了解中国的途径之一。在今天，德国、意大利、美国、日本等国家都有学习和研究满语文的学术机构，在国际性学术交流活动中，满语文仍发挥着重要的作用。

随着时光的流逝，满族语言不再被使用和流传，甚至是濒临灭亡。当今能熟练掌握满语的人均是耄耋老者，且人数极少，因此抢救和保护满语刻不容缓。

a small software whereby you can hear 800 common Manchu sentenses after you download it, but it only helps if you understand chinese

http://down.banma.com/jiaoyujiaoxue/wenkegongju/man_yu800_ju_xue_xi_cheng_xu_61717.shtml

a ni yo ha sa yo!
only find this
满语为满洲族所使用的语言。属阿尔泰语系通古斯语族满语支。属于黏着语，语音上有不完全元音和谐现象。满文是在蒙古文的基础上加以改进而成的一种竖直书写的拼音文字。

据满洲实录，1599年清太祖命额尔德尼将蒙古文字借来创制满文。虽然两位顾问有反对，清太祖仍然继续把蒙古文改为无圈点文字 （满: tongki fuka akuu hergen), 也称老满文(或称为旧满文)。这种新文字通行当时的建州，为後金国的建立及满族的形成有深远的影响。後来达九海更增补了十二个字头，并於老满文字旁边加以圈点，使满文更加完善，这种新文字被称为「新满文」，并通行於後金。

北京紫禁城乾清门上的汉-满两种文字的牌匾（左为中文，右为满文：罗马拼音：kiyan cing men）

用满文书写「满洲」(罗马拼音：manju) 一词。

清代满语被定为国语。满文，满语在这个时期也被称为清语，清文。清代前期大多用满文发布诏、诰等，成为奏报、公文、教学、翻译和日常生活中使用的主要文字。在中原，自康熙晚期开始已少有满文奏??

清光绪九年(1884)新疆建省後，使用满语的人数达4万余人，其中除满族外，还包括锡伯族、达斡尔族等民族也使用满语。

满族辛亥革命以後逐渐改用汉语，目前能够掌握满文的人已经很少，只有黑龙江省少数乡镇的老人和部分语言学专家还能使用这种语言。目前在黑龙江哈尔滨的黑龙江大学有满语研究所。不过锡伯族、达斡尔族等民族的语言文字实际上可以被视为稍加改动的满语，他们一直使用这种语言至20世纪中叶。目前生活在新疆的锡伯族人仍旧在进行锡伯文的教育，并出版有锡伯文的报刊。

近年来，通过各方的努力，满语研究已正式成为黑龙江大学的重点学科；民间的满语学习班也在一些城市和网路中开始出现。



文法

满语有6个母音，22个辅音，10个用于拼写汉语词汇的特殊字母。母音分阳、阴、中三性，同性母音互相和谐，辅音也有和谐现象。满语字母在词头、词中、词尾的书写方式不同。

与同属于阿尔泰语系的突厥语和蒙古语相似，满语中存在「母音和谐」现象，即词干母音决定词缀母音，词干以a、e、o结尾，则词缀也以相同母音结尾，例如sula-ha，mute-le；词干以i、u结尾，词缀多为e，如bi-he，ku-he等。

满语最初以建州女真方言为规范语，经过上百年的发展，吸收了其他女真部落及锡伯等族的语言後，满语在北京发生音变，产生新方言，称为「京音」。其特点包括动词词尾-mbi的b不发音，ci、ji的母音发音极轻，ong、oi读成eng、ei等。但是满语的口语与书面语一致，发生音变之後，书面语也随之发生改变。

满语辞汇包括名词、代词、动词、形容词、副词、数词、後置词、连词、拟声词、拟态词、感叹词、助词。名词和代词有格和数的变化。数词分为基数词和序数词。形容词有程度和级的变化。动词有时态和格、式的变化，分现在时、过去时、将来时，主动态、被动态、使役态，陈述式、祈使式、条件式等。满语名词中从其他语言借用辞汇的现象比较明显。

附图为满文在现代网页上的浏览效果

在清朝，满语文是中西文化交流的重要载体，当时西方的耶稣会士学习满语文，向西方介绍中国。此后的很长一段时间里，满语文仍是国外了解中国的途径之一。在今天，德国、意大利、美国、日本等国家都有学习和研究满语文的学术机构，在国际性学术交流活动中，满语文仍发挥着重要的作用。

随着时光的流逝，满族语言不再被使用和流传，甚至是濒临灭亡。当今能熟练掌握满语的人均是耄耋老者，且人数极少，因此抢救和保护满语刻不容缓。
he wants to listen to it, not to read a bunch of stuff he doesn't understand =.=

Nin hao ni men. Can anybody here be kind enough to direct me to a link where I can listen to Manchu language?
so korean wants to proclaim manchua language belongs to Korea?:ohno::ohno:

近年来，通过各方的努力，满语研究已正式成为黑龙江大学的重点学科；民间的满语学习班也在一些城市和网路中开始出现。


:ohno:满洲国要复辟咯？:ohno::ohno:

xie xie nimen. Thanks alot guys!

so korean wants to proclaim manchua language belongs to Korea?:ohno::ohno:
Why must you flame?

because he is a troll?

because he is a troll?
It was a rhetorical question...

xie xie nimen. Thanks alot guys!

du ma na yo!
gu ma pa si ni da!

中国网民邻国印象调查

　　远亲不如近邻。

　　在中国漫长的陆地和海岸边界线上，至少有20个国家在地理位置或实际交往中与中国有着密切的联系。山水相连，再加上类似的人文风景和历史传承，是否可以成就休戚与共的邻里关系？以年轻人为主体的中国网民，究竟对“邻居”的印象如何？2007年下半年，《国际先驱导报》联合某网站社区开展的“中国网民邻国印象调查”，为回答上述问题提供了一份范本。

　　或许它并不能反映中国人对邻国印象的全貌，但至少从一个侧面让我们看到，中国网民对祖国周边时局的关心，以及对国家命运和前途的关切

　　近九成网民担忧周边安全

　　中国整个周边环境有积极的因素，也有潜在的问题，如不能有效化解，就会对国家安全造成干扰

　　当范仲淹在公元1046年写出“先天下之忧而忧，后天下之乐而乐”的千古名句时，他或许不会想到，近千年后的2007年，中国人依然在以网络的方式实践着他的“忧乐观”。

　　经过长达4个月的调查和积淀，《国际先驱导报》“中国网民邻国印象调查”获取了来自读者和网民的1.2万份调查样本。大量的数据和信息反馈，令参与后期分析的专家们颇为惊讶。

　　多数人未去过邻居家

　　“投票的时候才发现，这些与祖国这么接近的地方，自己几乎大部分都没去过，除了印度。”网友“始终”面对调查题目感慨万千：“毕竟世界越来越大同，作为中国人不能太自我为中心，要真正‘关心’自己的邻居了。”

　　而与去过印度的这位网友不同，在参与调查者中，超过三分之一的人并没有进过邻居的家门。“这基本上符合中国国情。”中国改革开放论坛东亚室主任于美华告诉《国际先驱导报》，“近年出国手续虽然有所松动，但仍很复杂。”

　　另一项“符合中国国情”的数据是：在“去过邻国”的调查者中，高达70%的目的是旅游。而由于新加坡和泰国并非中国邻国，马来西亚因此成了中国人拜访最多的邻居，其次是日本和菲律宾。

　　中国年轻人看世界更依赖网络

　　虽然没有出国经历的人占了大多数，但出过国的中国人足迹却遍及全部20个邻国。诸如塔吉克斯坦等国家，也都留下了中国人的身影。“中国人对世界的关注，可以说比欧美等国有过之而无不及。”曾经闭关自守的中国人，正以前所未有的热情睁眼看世界。而在获取周边邻国的渠道中，新媒体的作用正日益突出。

　　“平时工作很忙，一般就是在网上看看新闻。”北京一栋外企公司聚集的大厦门前，匆忙走过的安女士告诉《国际先驱导报》，自己对邻国的了解主要依赖网络。像安女士这样的年轻人并非少数，面对“你通过什么渠道获取有关中国周边邻国的信息？”，65.3%的人选择了互联网，这个数字远远高于“报刊、电视、广播”等传统媒体的26%。

　　新媒体名副其实地成了中国人（尤其是年轻人）看世界的主要渠道，中国周边安全研究中心主任石泽对此给予了充分肯定。但他同时表示，网络信息要区分不同的新闻来源，有的东西只能作为参考，否则就很容易出现认识偏差。

　　近九成网民呼吁“保持警惕”

　　相比之下，石泽对网民关心中国周边安全的认真态度颇为赞赏。在《国际先驱导报》所做的调查中，高达88.7%的人认为虽然现在中国周边环境很稳定，但“仍需时刻保持警惕”。

　　“事实也的确如此，目前中国面临的挑战相当程度都来自周边邻国。”石泽表示，只有周边外交搞好了，才能保证整个国家的外交安全和经济发展。

　　关注中国周边安全环境的网民，最担心的两点是“未来领土纷争”和“外部势力作梗”。石泽认为，除了印度外，中国与邻国的边界问题目前解决得都很好，不过他也很理解网民的担忧。“有句老话叫居安思危，我们需要分析有利和不利的因素，然后找到应对办法，其中推进区域性合作，促进相互信任，尤其是经济上加强与邻国的互补性都是当务之急。”

　　石泽表示，中国复杂的周边环境，既有历史原因，也是现实因素使然，其中东部的台海问题、日美同盟和朝鲜半岛问题，南部的阿富汗和印巴极端势力威胁等，都不容忽视。

　　喜欢或反感都不再盲目

　　当然，并不是所有问题都能取得一致看法。“最喜欢的国家”和“不太喜欢的国家”，就是网民分歧最大的两个选项，而这个问题在专家身上也分歧依旧。

　　“我们那代人对俄罗斯的情感是最深的。”沈骥如是中国社会科学院世界经济与政治研究所研究员。他不太认同本报对上述两个问题的调查结果。而事实上，多数被调查者在做出选择时都很慎重，这从他们热情洋溢的留言以及本报跟踪采访得到的信息中就能看出端倪。

　　“选择不太喜欢的国家时，我犹豫了很久。”网友“yaqianda”的表白，也是很多被调查者投票时的心态。相当一部分参与调查者都是根据亲身经历或独立思考，才慎重地选出喜欢或不喜欢的国家名单。

　　在“最喜欢的国家”和“不太喜欢的国家”的调查中，巴基斯坦和韩国分别居首。

　　对这个结果，清华大学国际问题研究所的刘江永教授总体上表示认同，只是对个别国家的排名提出了自己的看法。“尤其是对韩国的评价，我个人和网民的感觉不太一样。”刘江永告诉《国际先驱导报》，网络信息在传播过程中，很容易将局部或个人的意见夸大为一个国家的意志，这是不准确的。

　　但网民的态度却相当直接。一位网友谈到喜欢马来西亚的原因时坦言，“是因为看了《夏日麽麽茶》”。另一位网友讨厌某国的理由也非常简单：“该国相当一批人不知道珍惜两国的友谊，到处是无礼、轻蔑、挑衅……寒心之余就是愤怒。”

　　对一半以上邻国缺乏了解

　　或许是信息受限于媒体的宣传，与对个别焦点国家的争议吵成一团相比，至少有一半邻国却在中国网民的记忆中“沉睡”。其中，与中国西部接壤的中亚三个邻国尤其受到“冷落”，在喜欢和不太喜欢的国家中，塔吉克斯坦、哈萨克斯坦和吉尔吉斯斯坦均位居后列。

　　虽然它们被网民“遗忘”，但却并不意味着不重要。

nobody can speak manchuria around chinese now

is there anywhere where i can hear the manchu language being spoken?

it's a shame that it's virtually completely wiped out...

is there anywhere where i can hear the manchu language being spoken?

it's a shame that it's virtually completely wiped out...

there are places in xinjiang where people of the xibe ethnic group still speak a dialect of the manchu language, but the few i've met were only able to speak mandarin

just do a search of the xibe language on youtube
YuodESZCJXc

you'll hear a lot of mandarin in the video but if you're chinese you should be able to differentiate

interesting
i can't find any videos or audio of the actual few manchu speakers if there are any though

is there anywhere where i can hear the manchu language being spoken?

it's a shame that it's virtually completely wiped out...

How is it said to be wiped out, dude? They weren't obliged by other ethnic groups to leave their mother tongue in order to acquire a new language in history, they were against themselves speaking Chinese and in fact wanted to learn Chinese language and after that they were naturalized by themselves...

How is it said to be wiped out, dude? They weren't obliged by other ethnic groups to leave their mother tongue in order to acquire a new language in history, they were against themselves speaking Chinese and in fact wanted to learn Chinese language and after that they were naturalized by themselves...

whatever the case, I'm saying that it's a shame that it's happened as it's always a shame when an element of culture is lost forever.
It would be cool to have a country called Manchuria today with it's own culture, cities, language etc...

^ Yes, it might also be cool if Indonesia was splitted to thousands of countries that every island has a special culture and own language remaining today, and I wont have issue with that :D

I'm saying that it's a shame that it's happened as it's always a shame when an element of culture is lost forever.


I dont expect foreigners know much of the Manchu culture, and there is cool whatever you said here, but your concern about this is totally redundant. Some Manchu people/culture influence is a household name/thing for many mainland Chinese, Beijinger specially.

I'm not too familar with Indonesian history/culture lol.

I'm interested in Manchu culture and I'm aware of many influences it has on Chinese culture especially in the north. Can you give any examples where this is the case?

I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style. I just believe if there was a Manchuria, it would add more diversity to this north east region with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Korea & Japan.

I wish Korea was united though, it's a shame their apart!

It would be cool to have a country called Manchuria today with it's own culture, cities, language etc...

No need to feel sorry for them, they brought this onto themselves. Had they stayed out of China and formed their own nation, there will probably be a Machurian nation now and not be assimilated. You win some, you lose some, and in their case, they won big and lost big.

whatever the case, I'm saying that it's a shame that it's happened as it's always a shame when an element of culture is lost forever.
It would be cool to have a country called Manchuria today with it's own culture, cities, language etc...
It would also be "cool" to have multiple Native-American nations today with their own cultures, cities languages... etc. http://thelakersnation.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style. I just believe if there was a Manchuria, it would add more diversity to this north east region with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Korea & Japan.

I wish Korea was united though, it's a shame their apart!
So let's add more "diversity" in Northeast Asia by splitting up China even though the Manchu ethnic group is essentially completed Hanized and let's unite North & South Koreas (so we have one less country) even though the cultural differences between N & S Koreas are much greater than a modern Manch and a modern Han... http://thelakersnation.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

It would also be "cool" to have multiple Native-American nations today with their own cultures, cities languages... etc. http://thelakersnation.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

yep :) that indeed would be awesome. I have nothing against USA, but I'm just saying that it would be interesting. Like alternate histories. Also South America/Central America. Like a modern Mayan state or Aztec state etc... don't you reckon it'll be 'cool'??

So let's add more "diversity" in Northeast Asia by splitting up China even though the Manchu ethnic group is essentially completed Hanized and let's unite North & South Koreas (so we have one less country) even though the cultural differences between N & S Koreas are much greater than a modern Manchu and a modern Han... http://thelakersnation.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

I'm not counting numbers here. When I meant having a Manchurian nation, I didn't mean it forming out of today's context. I meant throughout history if the Manchu's obviously weren't Hanized/Sinicized and eventually formed it's own state however it's history may of played out.

I know N & S Korea have vast cultural differences, but if the events of WWII/Korean War etc... never played out the way it did, Korea would of been one like Vietnam. But that's nothing to do with the issue here.

yep :) that indeed would be awesome. I have nothing against USA, but I'm just saying that it would be interesting. Like alternate histories. Also South America/Central America. Like a modern Mayan state or Aztec state etc... don't you reckon it'll be 'cool'??

I'm not counting numbers here. When I meant having a Manchurian nation, I didn't mean it forming out of today's context. I meant throughout history if the Manchu's obviously weren't Hanized/Sinicized and eventually formed it's own state however it's history may of played out.

I know N & S Korea have vast cultural differences, but if the events of WWII/Korean War etc... never played out the way it did, Korea would of been one like Vietnam. But that's nothing to do with the issue here.
My mistake then.

I have absolutely nothing against people fantasizing about "alternative history". In fact I do that myself sometimes.

I've mistaken you with someone who is serious about making drastic changes to modern politics without concerns to lives of hundreds of millions just to fulfill one's own curiousity.

sorry probably didn't state my post clearly lol

^^ Chinese culture does have a tendency to silently dominate all those who come into contact with it. In fact it is a trait that Confucius observed: "those who enter Xia become Xia, those who enter Yi (barbarian lands) become Yi". "Barbarians" who invade China, or peacefully migrate and settle, or if their lands are absorbed into the Chinese empire, all eventually become Chinese, which has no precedent in history.

I would nice to split and give all Australian lands back to the aboriginals so that diversity can be achieved.

I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style.
Braided hair was not isolated to the Manchus (who were originally a tribe of the Jurchens), many steppe nomads on the northern frontier braided their hair in different styles.

so theres no way to tell a manchu from a han chinese apart right? unless they somehow speak it or state it in their family ancestory?

so theres no way to tell a manchu from a han chinese apart right? unless they somehow speak it or state it in their family ancestory?
As of today, there are no effective way to tell Manchus and Hans apart. The Manchu language is essentially dead and no one speaks it on a regular basis anymore. Also because many Manchus and Hans have intermarried in the past and ethnic minority groups in China tend to receive more benefits, most of the so-called Manchus are probably mixed with Han. I'm not too clear on PRC's requirements on proving your ancestry though.

It's been a dying language for over a century.

from the sources i've read, it seems manchurian and mongolian sound a little similar but mongolian is from the (controversial) altaic family where as manchurian is from the tungusic family