zOrg, they are saying on gaoloumi that Changsha Wharf IFC will be 491m. It seems reliable to me.

Based on what? :)

by: xfish
http://i.imgur.com/ElqfG.jpg

^^ He wrote a .doc and posted a screenshot? They even faked renders of Shenzhen Kingkey to tell us it has 460m. You shouldn't believe anything they post till they can provide evidences :D

^^
Are those guys that bored? :lol:

^^ He wrote a .doc and posted a screenshot? They even faked renders of Shenzhen Kingkey to tell us it has 460m. You shouldn't believe anything they post till they can provide evidences :D

I don't understand why people do that?

we'll see... anyways it will be taller than Kingkey100.

I don't understand why people do that?

Because those forums are trollcracies. Normally they don't even post sources for any info, you always have to check in Google. No height for a new project? It doesn't matter, they'll normally invent one.

2 years ago they posted that the Shanghai Tower would top 800m. They claimed they talked to the architects, blablabla, and a lot of people believed it.

They faked a whole article from the People's Dailiy claiming that Shanghai was planning a new 500m+ tower in Puxi, the article was created by a forumer and a lot of people believed it too.

Like 3 years ago West Tower was supposed to be revised upwards to 500m+.

Etc, etc, etc.

Because those forums are trollcracies. Normally they don't even post sources for any info, you always have to check in Google. No height for a new project? It doesn't matter, they'll normally invent one.

2 years ago they posted that the Shanghai Tower would top 800m. They claimed they talked to the architects, blablabla, and a lot of people believed it.

They faked a whole article from the People's Dailiy claiming that Shanghai was planning a new 500m+ tower in Puxi, the article was created by a forumer and a lot of people believed it too.

Like 3 years ago West Tower was supposed to be revised upwards to 500m+.

Etc, etc, etc.

Can't you register there and tell them that? It's voor their own's sake. I can understand that it's very annoying.

2011 was amazing supertall year (lol) - 3 supertall buildings in China were finished. Would anyone tell me please if there is some 300m + project in China for 2012?? :-)

^^ Tons, dozens, to much to count almost. China is going crazy.

These are sick photos. Just wow!

design looks stunning

SOM Chicago wins competition to design the Wujiang Greenland Tower

The Chicago office of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP (SOM) has announced their victory in an international competition to design the Greenland Group Suzhou Center in Wujiang, China. The 358-meter tower’s efficient split-core configuration demands a double-take, as the “curved, tapered form unifies the office, hotel and residential uses within a single volume.” More on ArchDaily (http://www.archdaily.com/201179/som-chicago-wins-competition-to-design-the-wujiang-greenland-tower/).

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/5499/wujianggreenlandtower1.jpg

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/4827/wujianggreenlandtower2.jpg

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/4315/wujianggreenlandtower4.jpg

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/2771/wujianggreenlandtower3.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/416/wujianggreenlandtower5.jpg

^^ :drool:

What a beauty!

That is one sexy design.

Where is Wujiang

^^Just south of Suzhou.

Where is Wujiang

Wujiang is one of the small tigers in Suzhou allow me to quote this saying from Oliver999. :lol: It's a subdivision of Suzhou like Oliver999's hometown Zhangjiagang. :cheers:
Oliver999's thread of his hometown Zhangjiagang (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1478380)

Oh, thank you, I forgot, in fact I've ever been there, tongli village is in wujiang, right?
I just took it as a part of Suzhou, never meant to take it as a city

really awesome design!

China is booming like crazy!!!

Kunming dongfengplaza

http://misc.clzg.cn/forum/201205/05/223458g5g0g9d5mz2dcnzd.jpg

this list hasn't seen an update in quite a while. i know it is a lot of work, but i hope to see an updated list again, because there is just too much going on to keep track of it without :nuts:

^ Totally agree. An update would be GREATLY appreciated! :okay:

more more
update please

wow amazing

Kunming dongfengplaza

http://misc.clzg.cn/forum/201205/05/223458g5g0g9d5mz2dcnzd.jpg

Do we have an official thread for that tower? :nuts:

zOrg, they are saying on gaoloumi that Changsha Wharf IFC will be 491m. It seems reliable to me.

I don't think so, there is a height restriction in Changsha due a major Air Force base near by. (Su-30MKKs for you plane spotters) Since they do buzz the city once in a while (bombing practice?), the height restriction is there for safety reason. So unless the Air Force decides to move or changes their training routine, no supertalls in Changsha.

I don't think so, there is a height restriction in Changsha due a major Air Force base near by. (Su-30MKKs for you plane spotters) Since they do buzz the city once in a while (bombing practice?), the height restriction is there for safety reason. So unless the Air Force decides to move or changes their training routine, no supertalls in Changsha.

Interesting information. If ever there would be related supertall projects and other high-rises, are there allotted areas of the city and Metro Changsha for such developments?

THE second phase of The Springs, a US$2.5 billion mixed-use development by Tishman Speyer, started construction today in Shanghai's northeast Yangpu District.

Consisting of nine office buildings and a convention center with a total buildable space of more than 194,000 square meters, the second phase is scheduled to complete by the first quarter of 2015, according to Tishman, a New York-based real estate owner, developer, operator and manager.

Launched in June 2011, The Springs, a three-phase development with a combined buildable space of more than 900,000 square meters, is Tishman's largest project in China. It mainly includes residential, office and retail spaces as well as entertainment facilities.

The first phase, comprising about 160,000 square meters of residential units and some retail space, is set to complete in 2014.

Tishman's Chinese mainland portfolio also includes the Fifth Avenue commercial development in Tianjin and The Atrium, a mixed-use project in Chengdu, Sichuan Province. http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Business/2012/05/16/Construction%2Bstarts%2Bon%2Bphase%2B2%2Bof%2BThe%2BSprings/

Supertall? I suppose it's something to do :baaa:
An article about the building boom and the vacant apartments (lots of buildings, no takers?) (http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/china-architect-comments-on-dark.html)

Tishman Speyer's The Springs (Jiangwan New Town, Shanghai, PROC):

http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/properties/Property.aspx?id=273&section=Overview

Question for longer term posters:

Has this master list, at the beginning of the thread, shrunk or gown with time?

It is now 248 items. More last year? Fewer?

It has definitely grown. I remember when it was at only 100 supertalls, the increase has been explosive every year since (but has slowed down recently)

^^ Actually it hasn't. Remember I removed the long term/concept proposals, that's why it "slowed". Now it must be around 300-350 towers, up to 400 if we include long term stuff. Maybe I'll update everything this Summer.

^^ Actually it hasn't. Remember I removed the long term/concept proposals, that's why it "slowed". Now it must be around 300-350 towers, up to 400 if we include long term stuff. Maybe I'll update everything this Summer.

From June to September this year?

China is a very progressive and full of talent country. The construction and designs of building is always different and impressive. The chart and designs is very impressive that shows the work of china.

China is a very progressive and full of talent country. The construction and designs of building is always different and impressive. The chart and designs is very impressive that shows the work of china.


A lot of architectural designs in Mainland Chinese supertalls are designed by Western or non-Chinese Asian design firm, but we are now seeing local architectural talents these past few years in various projects.

(DALIANNEWS)- A 518-meter-tall skyscraper, which will eventually be the tallest building in Northeast China, is under construction in the Donggang business district of Dalian, a port city of Northeastern China’s Liaoning Province, June 4, 2012.

As one of the city’s landmark projects, the high-rise with an estimated investment of over 8 billion yuan, takes up a building area of about 574,000 square meters.

The building will serve a variety of functions, serving as a super-platinum five-star seaview hotel, an office building with headquarters of the World and China’s Top 500 Enterprises, a world top class luxuries shopping mall, a seaview apartment, a club for financers as well as a tourist destination.

The skyscraper will also become the world’s fourth tallest building and the third tallest one in China after the construction, according to the report.

http://www.daliannews.com/2012-06/05/content_4288976.htm

wow amazing

wow amazing

And that would be Northeast China's tallest building once completed... :cheers:

Speaking of north east China , any idea about what's going on in Changchun ? Sorry ... can't read Chinese .

China's skyscraper fervor causes concerns of investment misstep

BEIJING, Sept. 3 (Xinhua) -- Clusters of skyscrapers are elevating the urban skyline in many Chinese cities. However, recent reports of a craze to build more of them have sparked concerns of inadvisable investment.

Beijing's current tallest building -- the China World Trade Center Tower 3, which is 330 meters in height, will be dwarfed in 2016 by the nearby "China Zun," which is being developed by the CITIC Group.

The design of the 528-meter China Zun was inspired by a kind of ancient Chinese wine vessel, and investment in the project is to reach 24 billion yuan (3.78 billion U.S. dollars), according to the group.

China Zun is only an epitome of the increasing number of skyscrapers shooting up across Chinese cities under the fervor for high-rises in recent years.

The southwestern city of Chongqing is pumping a total investment of 10 billion yuan into developing the 470-meter-tall Chongqing International Financial Center.

Shenzhen in south China's Guangdong Province will embrace its 660-meter Ping'an International Financial Center in two years, the result of a total investment of 9 billion yuan.

The 580-meter-tall Shanghai Center will beat the 492 meters of the Shanghai World Financial Center in the future as the tallest building in the city.

To make all these projects pale in comparison, it has been reported that next June Changsha, capital of central China's Hunan Province, will start using just seven months to construct a building that will be 10 meters higher than the 828-meter Burj Khalifa Tower in Dubai, the world's tallest building.

Buildings higher than 152 meters are regarded as skyscrapers. Among the 10 tallest buildings completed, four are located in the Chinese mainland.

Figures released by skyscraper-observing website motiancity.com show that as of March 2011, the Chinese mainland has built 350 skyscrapers higher than 152 meters, outstripping the number in the United States. The country then was building another 287 high-rises, and planned to construct more than 400 skyscrapers in the future.

But low occupancy is a potential risk developers have to consider, warned He Jingtang, an academic with the Chinese Academy of Engineering.

Property market adviser Jones Lang LaSalle has pointed out that cooled economic expansion dampened demand for high-end office buildings in Beijing in the first half of the year.

At the same time, rent for high-end office buildings in the Chinese capital surged 50 percent in the second quarter of 2012, according to property market advisory DTZ Debenham Tie Leung Limited. Rent spikes are likely to keep small or medium-sized companies away.

Hung-Ming Lin, board chairman and general manager of Taipei 101, the second-tallest building completed in the world, said it takes a very long time before developers can make profits from skyscrapers.

"Developers will suffer from a strained money supply," Lin added.

Running skyscrapers is also costly. It is estimated that management expenditure on the 420.5-meter-tall Shanghai Jinmao Tower reaches 1 million yuan each day.

Architect Lin Xianguang warned that fire is the most serious threat to tall buildings.

A fire brigade official in Beijing confirmed that rescue work in fire disasters in high-rises is a difficult problem globally. As scaling ladders normally reach a maximum of 100 meters, they aren't much used if fires occur in taller buildings.

"We need helicopters for rescue work in that case," said the official, who wished to remain anonymous, adding that there are few fire brigades in China equipped for such flight.

Zhou Xuewang, who is in charge of the China branch of U.S. architectural design firm SOM, said many developers started construction without sufficient planning before breaking ground.

According to Zhou, the craze for building high-rises stems from local authorities' image-making and need to promulgate political achievements.

Whether these skyscrapers will be sustainable is subject to doubt, Zhou added.

Skyscraper fervor sparks concerns online

BEIJING, Sept. 25 (Xinhua)-- Concerns have been raised after a recent report on China's skyscrapers predicted that the country will top the world with more than one thousand tall buildings by the end of the next decade.

This news gave rise to online concerns over the country's economic prospects and urban planning.

The China-based skyscraper observing website Motiancity.com said in its latest report that the Chinese mainland will outstrip the U.S. to have the most skyscrapers during the next decade.

Non-residential buildings higher than 152 meters are regarded as skyscrapers. As of July 2012, the mainland has built 470 such high-rises, with another 332 buildings under construction and 516 having been planned, according to the report.

The document estimates a total of 1.7 trillion yuan (about 269 billion U.S. dollars) will be invested into China's skyscrapers that are being constructed or planned.

The skyscraper fervor spreading across the country is linked with a controversial theory by economic researcher Andrew Lawrence, according to netizens, which show that the world's tallest buildings often rise in the wake of economic downturns.

"Will the 'Lawrence Spell' come true?" Many of them share the same worries on Sina Weibo, a Chinese Twitter-like microblogging service, citing the recent sagging stock market and weak real-estate business.

Other netizens question the meaning of vying for the country with the most skyscrapers, saying that towering buildings are only for local authorities to help improve their image.

"When we have the world's tallest building, does it mean that I will be middle class, even the world's happiest middle class person?" Asked the Internet user "Bruce_BW".

"Skyscrapers are projects of the 'face', and the drainage facilities are projects of the 'conscience'," commented another user named "hoserlee" on Sina Weibo.

The reason of the skyscraper boom, according to the report, is that developers, regulators, construction companies and architect firms all incline to approve projects, in attempts to fuel the economic growth and make profits.

But this could cause a failure in both risk management and the self-protection system of the market, it warned.

The country's third industry, or the service sector is often considered the economic base of skyscrapers but it can hardly generate sufficient market demand to prop up the surging numbers of completed skyscrapers, said the report.

Added value of China's third industry grew 9.4 percent to reach 20.5 trillion yuan in 2011 but the rate fell far below the growth of skyscrapers.

Besides, fire, earthquakes and land subsidence are serious problems that developers and regulators need to consider before planning more high-rises, experts warned.

Statistics showed that Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Shanghai ranked the top three cities in terms of the number of skyscrapers being built, while second and third-tier cities in the country are quickly catching up.

Media reported in June that Changsha, capital of central China's Hunan Province, will take just seven months to construct a building that will be 10 meters higher than the 828-meter Burj Khalifa Tower in Dubai, the world's tallest building.

In response to the skyscraper fervor, some netizens are mourning over the fading away of traditional architecture in urban cities, suggesting a need for more funds into architectural conservation.

A Weibo user nicknamed "Xiaozhu" said: "Skyscrapers may look fancy, but they lack Chinese flavor. When architecture in China all looks alike, isn't it sad for China?"

China has proven to be a successful country. Today every Multinational company is investing in China becuase they found china to be a high Return country. Investment in China's project means high Return and low Risk.

Practical design for super-tall pair of towers in Yinchuan Yuehai Bay CBD, China

Experienced designers of tall buildings John Portman & Associates (JPA) have been selected by Chinese developers Greenland Group to conceptualise a pair of super-tall towers for Yinchuan Yuehai Bay Central Business District. The pair of buildings will comprise of office, hotel and boutique retail units across 3,293,757 sq ft of prime development space.

As usual in JPA projects, sustainability plays a strong role in this concept as Gordon Beckman, Principal and Design Director for the Greenland Super Tall Project explains: “We brought the entire design team together early in the design process to coordinate our efforts and to establish strategies for efficiency in construction, function, materials, water, energy, daylight and site usage to achieve the project goals. The result is what we consider to be a constructed aesthetic - an integration of design, structure and energy comfort systems as complete system.”

The base of JPA’s concept is inspired by local culture and design aesthetic. Chinese Hui, a predominantly Muslim ethnic group, presents a blend of Islamic and Chinese influences which JPA used as a reference point in the design of these two buildings. There is also a nod to the literal meaning of Yinchuan or ‘silver ring’ as a gleaming podium base links the pair of towers to one another.

As with many tall towers, this scheme is glass-rich, the rendering to the left showing a highly transparent façade system. Low emissivity glazing is to be used throughout, with horizontal blade sunshading on the south and west faces and vision and patterned frit glass to the east and north, supplying the necessary daylight control in response to solar orientation.

Status: Concept design

Source: www.worldarchitecturenews.com (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=21293)

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/21293_1_SuperTallProject.jpg

JPA designs first super-tall skyscraper for Nanning in Tianlong Fortune Center

The largely low-rise city of Nanning in Guangxi Province, China is soon to gain a sky-high building destined to act as a catalyst for the economic growth of the region. Over the past few years, Nanning has acted as host for the annual China ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) Summit and the city is currently the regional leader in promoting unity among its neighbours in the ASEAN. The city is also well known for its verdant foliage, earning it the nickname ‘The Green City’.

John Portman and Associates (JPA) has conceptualised a towering new commercial venue for the city which reaches high above its neighbouring buildings. At 1,312ft in height, the Tianlong Fortune Center will be the first super-tall skyscraper in the vicinity and will act as a financial and trade centre, headquarters to a number of banks and financial consultants.

A large proportion of the building will be used as office space, topped with a five-star atrium hotel. Amenities in the hotel will include a fitness centre, pool, restaurant, business centre, exclusive executive club and destination restaurant. This upper-level hotel will be located beneath a double-floor 360-degree viewing platform with one layer covered and the other open to the sky with a rooftop garden. A lower podium development will also sport a rooftop garden with varied commercial outlets.

Walt Jackson, Principal and Executive Vice President of JPA details: “Our team’s design concept tells a story about the future of Nanning and elevates the city’s visibility as a hub for harmony and regional development. This project reflects our design philosophy which is firmly rooted in the interpretation of basic human needs. We have weaved sensory elements into the Tianlong Fortune Center to create an experiential environment for the people who use the space.”

Status: Concept design

Source: www.worldarchitecturenews.com (http://www.worldarchitecturenews.com/index.php?fuseaction=wanappln.projectview&upload_id=21265)

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/21265_1_jpa11.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/21265_2_jpa22.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/21265_3_jpa33.jpg

http://static.worldarchitecturenews.com/news_images/21265_5_jpa55.jpg

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ok perfect, thanks for the info
China has incredible projects

And that would be Northeast China's tallest building once completed... :cheers:

This news gave rise to online concerns over the country's economic prospects and urban planning.

The China-based skyscraper observing website Motiancity.com said in its latest report that the Chinese mainland will outstrip the U.S. to have the most skyscrapers during the next decade.

But this could cause a failure in both risk management and the self-protection system of the market, it warned.

During the early 20th C. the USA had a massive boom like this in New York. It came to a sudden end in 1931 and it took another 30 years before any taller buildings were considered.

Part of this was that when you construct office space on the scale of 40 Wall, The Chrysler Building and the ESB, all within 13 months, you are going to saturate the office lease market for decades to come, and that's exactly what happened.

The good side is that structures like that and those currently under construction in China, elevate the aspirations, hopes, dreams, expectations and attitudes of the local people.

Soon, sooner than you think, the Chinese will begin to state sentiments such as:

"Look, we have the world's best CRH system, and 20/40/100 buildings taller than 300 meters. We should NOT have that in a nation with this problem, this problem, and this problem."

These buildings will inspire the Chinese just as similar structures did in the USA.

Updates????

Skyscraper fervor sparks concerns online

BEIJING, Sept. 25 (Xinhua)-- Concerns have been raised after a recent report on China's skyscrapers predicted that the country will top the world with more than one thousand tall buildings by the end of the next decade.

This news gave rise to online concerns over the country's economic prospects and urban planning.

The China-based skyscraper observing website Motiancity.com said in its latest report that the Chinese mainland will outstrip the U.S. to have the most skyscrapers during the next decade.

Non-residential buildings higher than 152 meters are regarded as skyscrapers. As of July 2012, the mainland has built 470 such high-rises, with another 332 buildings under construction and 516 having been planned, according to the report.

The document estimates a total of 1.7 trillion yuan (about 269 billion U.S. dollars) will be invested into China's skyscrapers that are being constructed or planned.

The skyscraper fervor spreading across the country is linked with a controversial theory by economic researcher Andrew Lawrence, according to netizens, which show that the world's tallest buildings often rise in the wake of economic downturns.

"Will the 'Lawrence Spell' come true?" Many of them share the same worries on Sina Weibo, a Chinese Twitter-like microblogging service, citing the recent sagging stock market and weak real-estate business.

Other netizens question the meaning of vying for the country with the most skyscrapers, saying that towering buildings are only for local authorities to help improve their image.

"When we have the world's tallest building, does it mean that I will be middle class, even the world's happiest middle class person?" Asked the Internet user "Bruce_BW".

"Skyscrapers are projects of the 'face', and the drainage facilities are projects of the 'conscience'," commented another user named "hoserlee" on Sina Weibo.

The reason of the skyscraper boom, according to the report, is that developers, regulators, construction companies and architect firms all incline to approve projects, in attempts to fuel the economic growth and make profits.

But this could cause a failure in both risk management and the self-protection system of the market, it warned.

The country's third industry, or the service sector is often considered the economic base of skyscrapers but it can hardly generate sufficient market demand to prop up the surging numbers of completed skyscrapers, said the report.

Added value of China's third industry grew 9.4 percent to reach 20.5 trillion yuan in 2011 but the rate fell far below the growth of skyscrapers.

Besides, fire, earthquakes and land subsidence are serious problems that developers and regulators need to consider before planning more high-rises, experts warned.

Statistics showed that Guangzhou, Shenzhen and Shanghai ranked the top three cities in terms of the number of skyscrapers being built, while second and third-tier cities in the country are quickly catching up.

Media reported in June that Changsha, capital of central China's Hunan Province, will take just seven months to construct a building that will be 10 meters higher than the 828-meter Burj Khalifa Tower in Dubai, the world's tallest building.

In response to the skyscraper fervor, some netizens are mourning over the fading away of traditional architecture in urban cities, suggesting a need for more funds into architectural conservation.

A Weibo user nicknamed "Xiaozhu" said: "Skyscrapers may look fancy, but they lack Chinese flavor. When architecture in China all looks alike, isn't it sad for China?"

why there's no attempt to stop it? this skyscraper mania could automatically lead to real estate melt down,very similiar to hainan in the mid 90's,and given the city massive debt such as wuhan,do they think they going to get bail out?