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Lille OSC

4x Champion:
1933, 1946, 1954, 2011

6x Cup Winner:
1946, 1947, 1948, 1953, 1955,
2011



:) Hi everybody here. i'm new, i'm in france .

This is the trhead of the new Stadium for the Losc (lille olympique sporting club) which played 2 last edition of Uefa champion's league.


After the rejected project of 'Grimonprez jooris 2' due to its location near an old historical Citadelle Vauban , They reflected on a total new project like Schalke04 and Amsterdam arena.

Main characteristics:

- 50186 seats
-Retractable roof
-scheduled to ??
-Not a 5 stars stadium but 7 stars stadium!!!!!!! :eek:



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Good news! Do you have pictures of the old project?

I live in Belgium but Lille is 20/30 minutes away from me. Really nice and modern city!

Old project :

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I'm glad the dome project finally happens but doubt it will be finished by 2010.

Isn't 50k a bit too much for Lille? They average 13'500 this season.

Anyway, can't wait to see the renders. I hope the representative is right and it will be something special. Most of the new stadium designs recently lacked some originality.

Isn't 50k a bit too much for Lille? They average 13'500 this season.

1/We're not England or NFL, no french club can't sell out its stadium even 3 time out of four games.
What we have to understand is that now, a stadium is a TOOL (mot français : outil) for a club.
With a more comfortable stadium, attendances always rise.

Marseille average 49.000 people with a very incomfortable/ugly/windy sadium, how much do you thin they would average with a closed/noisy/comfortable/beautidul stadium? even if it's 60/65.000, it would be worth to expand to 80.500 (ON THE LONG TERM, always think on the long term) !!!!!


2/That a question me and Neda Say argued for a long time.
If Lille see things in long term, like Aulas do with Lyon, it's ok.
This is Neda Say point of view (and I don't say he's wrong, not at all!).

My point of view is that Lille, actually, is all about its manager (Claude Puel) Magic. When he will be gone, Lille, if I'm right, will become an average franch club again and won't need a 5 star retractable roof stadium.

But I said so many stupid things about french clubs that I think I should no longer challenge their possible shinning future and join Neda Say point of view.

Adding to this, I'm 100% behind every club that wants to upgrade its stadium.

1/We're not England or NFL, no french club can't sell out its stadium even 3 time out of four games.
What we have to understand is that now, a stadium is a TOOL (mot français : outil) for a club.
With a more comfortable stadium, attendances always rise.

Marseille average 49.000 people with a very incomfortable/ugly/windy sadium, how much do you thin they would average with a closed/noisy/comfortable/beautidul stadium? even if it's 60/65.000, it would be worth to expand to 80.500 (ON THE LONG TERM, always think on the long term) !!!!!


2/That a question me and Neda Say argued for a long time.
If Lille see things in long term, like Aulas do with Lyon, it's ok.
This is Neda Say point of view (and I don't say he's wrong, not at all!).

My point of view is that Lille, actually, is all about its manager (Claude Puel) Magic. When he will be gone, Lille, if I'm right, will become an average franch club again and won't need a 5 star retractable roof stadium.

But I said so many stupid things about french clubs that I think I should no longer challenge their possible shinning future and join Neda Say point of view.

Adding to this, I'm 100% behind every club that wants to upgrade its stadium.


Hey Vilak! Thanks for agreeing on joining the darkside!

I'm always ready to reach greener pastures.

Concerning Lille, my problem is that I absolutly don't know the city.
I just know it's a big town.
I only went Lille only once. it was a one trip to see a live concert of Alphaville (Big in Japan, Sounds like a Melody, Forever young, dance with me) in Waregem in 1999.
I'm absolutly in total ignorance of its possibilities.
That's why when the bid for summer olympic games was made, I found it totally irrealistic.
Shame on me

However they will never get it finished before 2011! 2010 is just unmanageable! Considering that we are mid january and they are only going to show rendering next week! city approval being granted or not in February. Another three month of limbo
to get the building team up and running... I've never seen a stadium getting from the ground up in less than 18 months so forget the the 2010 !!!

I seriously hope that the Claude Puel can keep the team in L1 until it's finished!

Lille's low attendance is probably a direct reflection of how bad the Metropole stadium is for watching the sport.

@ Vilak -> Lille is an urban area of more 1 million people.

This city NEEDS this tool because it's very important to be known in this part of europe (Belgium and netherland, England )

The projetc is not too high because in february the match of uefa champion's league was at Lens . They played manchesterunited and the stadium was full! Even in 2005 in saint denis (75000 people this evening)

The question about the coach puel is inexisting. He can go now there will be another man to relace him. Don't forget that Losc played champion's league with Vahid Hallilodzic who took the club in ligue2!!!

This stadium is Important.

Lille's low attendance is probably a direct reflection of how bad the Metropole stadium is for watching the sport.

Absolutely right!

The city is modern, young not wealthy but does have some big French and European companies. You can't attract them to Stadium Nord. This new stadium might... no will be a huge boost for the club and the city! Building a dome make sense. I hope they get it done!

According to one of Losc director , the 3 projects presented are Absolutly fantastic!!

No Stadiums in France can compete with this project because they saw ALL arena retractabled stadiums to made lille's stadium.

He said that it could be transform from a 55000 seat to 20000 o 30000 seat dome!!! AMAzING!!

the accent is to be very Multifunctional stadium!

The Bouygues project is rumoured to be winner .

Why is this bouygues project is the fututre winner?

Just because the city coumminity council has to vote for one of those 3 project and the votes are different because there are socialists,communists,ecologists and UMp voters. In different tems there are different political opinions and the lader of UMp group opposition (Daubresse) worked at... Bouygues as engineer !!

It's not difficult to guess that Lobbying works ever!

bouygues and his network tf1 are known to be doubtful and crappy , intimately linked with all other "famous" lobbys ( fags , jews , science , industrials ...) , and with sarkosy , lagardere . The medias issue is the same as in usa .

bouygues and his network tf1 are known to be doubtful and crappy , intimately linked with all other "famous" lobbys ( fags , jews , science , industrials ...) , and with sarkosy , lagardere . The medias issue is the same as in usa .


Ouh.. be careful with words man.. :eek:

bouygues and his network tf1 are known to be doubtful and crappy , intimately linked with all other "famous" lobbys ( fags , jews , science , industrials ...) , and with sarkosy , lagardere . The medias issue is the same as in usa .

hey, you're talking about very controvesials things.
I think stuffs like racism and homophobia don't suit this forum at all.

:)
Pics will be posted next week abd According to one of the representative of the club:

"there are NO equivalent in Europe "

B]Because it will be better than Amsterdam and schalke04[/B]

This is not very diffecult. Ajax is allready thinking of moving out that stadium. It is a desaster. (not MOP, but the opinion of the fans)
Has to be said that redeveloping/ extending the stadium to 75 000 is also an option, but if I read the forums the fans prefer a new stadium. They hate it.

I don´t know how it is in Schalke, but personaly I don´t like that stadium. I much prefer the old stadium ´Auf schalke´ with the rolersteps.

So one advice, do not base the designs on the Amsterdam Arena...


Adding to this, I'm 100% behind every club that wants to upgrade its stadium.

I am with you on this one.

bouygues and his network tf1 are known to be doubtful and crappy , intimately linked with all other "famous" lobbys ( fags , jews , science , industrials ...) , and with sarkosy , lagardere . The medias issue is the same as in usa .

This kind of speech might get you banned! Please be aware of that!

i told him :ohno:

And if Amsterdam ajax want to build another stadiumit would be a stupid!!

It's true that althought it is a nice stadium, Amst.arena seems to be cold.

The reflexion for a stadium has to take account about the spirit of football that must living in such a structure!

Shalke04 arena is better because you feel that the club and fans own this place. It's a true place to play football.

Amsterdam is a place to make shows and concerts!!

They would have think about this before the construction..

Is Stade Grimonprez Jooris still standing? What's going to be done with it?

Is Stade Grimonprez Jooris still standing? What's going to be done with it?

it will be destroyed because it would never been allowed to be build according to the justice court which refused the extension project.

And it's true because the visa which allow a construction was wrong in the 70's .

Personnaly i don't regret it :banana:

Is it going to be built where it was planned ?
I guess this is a good move right before the local elections to present the new stadium ;)

Election yes!

It will be built in Villeneuve d'ascq a city of 70000 people .
It will be in the South of V.A

They played now in villeneuve d'ascq too but at stadium nord in the middle of the town

Hope all the remaining obstacles will be soon whipped and that the contruction will start soon.

No French club needs a stadium bigger than 20k. The French passion for football is right up there with their passion for baths

very interesting point of view. no need to argue with this one...

Do you feel French clubs need large capacity stadiums? L O'M get big crowds because they get a free moped oil change with every season ticket, PSG half decent crowds because someone saw a car with a German registration and they're hiding in there in case Paris is being invaded, Lens stadium is full because thats where the entire town lives and Lyon get a respectable gate because they know they're going to win.

This kind of speech might get you banned! Please be aware of that!

sans blague , c'est un autre poster qui balance le mot lobby et il a raison . Ces gens-là sont crapuleux et cet industriel ( qui croit que sa chaine est regardée par tt le monde et credible qui plus est ) , encore plus que les autres :puke: . Quand aux controverses et insultes , rien que ce forum comme ts les autres en est criblé constamment , alors garde tes salades pour toi please :) , end of story.

sans blague , c'est un autre poster qui balance le mot lobby et il a raison . Ces gens-là sont crapuleux et cet industriel ( qui croit que sa chaine est regardée par tt le monde et credible qui plus est ) , encore plus que les autres :puke: . Quand aux controverses et insultes , rien que ce forum comme ts les autres en est criblé constamment , alors garde tes salades pour toi please :) , end of story.


Wow so much for politeness I see! Hey I'm not against frankness but behave yourself! Nobody wants to offend you so don't offend others! True or not, you can present your point of view without behaving like an idiot I'm sure! We are here to talk about stadia, that might include business and group such as lobbies to push stadium forward.

I'm pretty surprised that you don't want to state your opinion in english or are you afraid of something. I'm not your enemy and I don't have any grudge against anyone here! You mentioned controversy and insult but so far you are the only one going this path on this very thread!

If you are unsatisfied by the level of this forum don't hesitate to say it! But remember what this thread is about, i.e The city of Lille getting a new stadium at some point if the future.

just because you post only about french stadiums , then you must be french so you''ll understand .

No French club needs a stadium bigger than 20k. The French passion for football is right up there with their passion for baths

We don't like baths, we only like L'Oréal and LVMH.

just because you post only about french stadiums , then you must be french so you''ll understand .

Yeah!Well you might want to double check your info on that!

Anyway go back to the topic! Will you!

[QUOTE=bumdingo;17850409]Do you feel French clubs need large capacity stadiums?QUOTE]

Yes.

sans blague , c'est un autre poster qui balance le mot lobby et il a raison . Ces gens-là sont crapuleux et cet industriel ( qui croit que sa chaine est regardée par tt le monde et credible qui plus est ) , encore plus que les autres :puke: . Quand aux controverses et insultes , rien que ce forum comme ts les autres en est criblé constamment , alors garde tes salades pour toi please :) , end of story.

Celui qui a balancé le mot Lobby a été très correct, pas toi.
Pour les insultes, c'est pas parce que la majorité est vulgaire que tu doit te sentir obliger d'être aussi bête qu'eux.
Fin de l'histoire? tu me connais pas...

Tu parles Français????
alors c'est ton anglais qui est nul car "fags" ne se traduit pas par "homosexuels" mais par "pédés".
Si tu as fait exprès d'employer ce terme-ci, c'est honteux. Si tu t'es trompé et que tu desirais employer un terme correct (mais dans ce cas là dis-le STP), personne ne t'en voudra.

Par contre je suis vraiment faché contre toi d'avoir mélé les juifs à cette histoires. Les juifs ne sont pas tous des millionnaires qui petent dans la soie. Ce sont des stereotypes, j'en connais qui sont au RMI.

[QUOTE=Vilak;17887047]Celui qui a balancé le mot Lobby a été très correct, pas toi.
Pour les insultes, c'est pas parce que la majorité est vulgaire que tu doit te sentir obliger d'être aussi bête qu'eux.
Fin de l'histoire? tu me connais pas...



j'ai pas grand-chose à te dire en general et tu m'emmerdes plus qu'autre chose avec ta reaction surdimensionnée , alors ça suffit . ça ne me derange pas d'allumer ces gens-là , simplement parce que je ne les aime pas , comme un grand nb de personnes qui ent ont assez de leur propagande douteuse et de leur mentalité foireuse . les mots , tu les choisiras , je m'en fous completement de ton avis , desolé .

Veuillez signaler une sélection de ce stade et cessez de combattre, et si votre aller combattre, combattre en anglais !

ok let's speak english again.
As far as the stadium goes, it's not that much important which company built it as long as it finally happens. Honesty in business is not so frequent so if anything can speed up the delivery of the stadium, let's go and Lille has already waited too much. After all, it's not my money or my freedom that is at stake.
About Bouygues, it's sure they have major input in politics, medias and things like this so it may be a plus for the stadium if they are choosen to build it.

If I bore people that don't care about what I say, why to answer?

when will they show the 3 projects ? what day ? one poster has said it was for this week .

[QUOTE=Vilak;17887047]Celui qui a balancé le mot Lobby a été très correct, pas toi.
Pour les insultes, c'est pas parce que la majorité est vulgaire que tu doit te sentir obliger d'être aussi bête qu'eux.
Fin de l'histoire? tu me connais pas...



j'ai pas grand-chose à te dire en general et tu m'emmerdes plus qu'autre chose avec ta reaction surdimensionnée , alors ça suffit . ça ne me derange pas d'allumer ces gens-là , simplement parce que je ne les aime pas , comme un grand nb de personnes qui ent ont assez de leur propagande douteuse et de leur mentalité foireuse . les mots , tu les choisiras , je m'en fous completement de ton avis , desolé .



Là trop c'est trop!! :weird: !!! :down:

Je veux que tu sois signalé immediatemment au modo! c'est tout simplement Inadmissible ce genre de propos racistes sur un forum!

[QUOTE=bumdingo;17850409]Do you feel French clubs need large capacity stadiums?QUOTE]

Yes.

For what reason? Why would Lille need a 50k seat stadium? I'm not trying to start a confrontation, I appreciate L' OM, PSG, Lens, Lyon and to a certain extent St Etienne get respectable crowds but crowds at other respected teams are less than impressive. I've never really understood why for a country with a large population who clearly love sport and churn out such great players struggle to fill grounds on a week to week basis. The fan base is there, even when a smaller club reaches the League Cup Final the Stade de France is always sold out. You could argue Lyon's dominance has created apathy yet crowds were sparse before their resurgance. I know Lille needs a new facility as do many French clubs but why so large? Could Lille do what Newcastle Utd do every home game regardless off opposition and league postion and fill it?

You underevaluate potential of city like lille in te future :ohno:
Who knows what going to happen in next years??

In 5 years , who knows how many champion's league they will play??
Between 2001 and 2007 they have participated it 3 times without a stadium?

This club despite its bad season is increasing its infrastructures for the future.
Who knows in 2011-2012-2013 which club they 'll play with ??

Do you think if Barcelona,Real madrid,Manchester come play in such a stadium, it will be empty???

People around lille (belgium,north of france or england) could come??

that's the reality of lille. that's why 50000 is good.(And perhaps too small in the case of a 1/4 or 1/2 final of champion's league)

[QUOTE=antigr12;17890116]



Là trop c'est trop!! :weird: !!! :down:

Je veux que tu sois signalé immediatemment au modo! c'est tout simplement Inadmissible ce genre de propos racistes sur un forum!

rien à voir avec du racisme ( mot balancé à ttes les sauces ) , on parle de lobbys , ceux-là meme qui tentent de regenter la vie des uns et des autres ou de la demolir . Un nb incommensurable de gens en ont marre de cette situation ( mentionnée sur d'autres forums au rappel ) , et on bcp plus raisons d'etre en colere que toi . Bouygues fait partie de cette clique foireuse , achete des chaines de tele , soutient un dictateur pour une histoire de marchés , ou exige du fric des qu'il y a un raz-de-maree exterminateur pour ne citer que des exemples . Les autres groupes font partie de cette meduse douteuse et ça commence avec l'arrogance de certains medias corrompus . Tes complaintes de " weird " n'y changeront rien . L'histoire du RMI invoquée par l'autre poster ne concerne pas ceux-là , donc n'a rien à voir avec le sujet . Tu ferais mieux de retourner au topic .

Critiquer un groupe de btp c'est different de critiquer une race!
Toi tu fais les deux!!

Des Lobbies ok, des denonciations raciales non!
Serieux ce topic parle du stade de lille et je vois pas ce que tes dires ont en rapport! :bash:

Bumdingo :

Of course, a 50.000 seat stadium will never be sold out at every match for Lille but it's not asked for.
Having this kind of stadium will benefit the club in more than one way.
First of all, and it's obvious, having 50.000 fans behing the team for the 6/7 big matchs of the years (let's say Marseille, Lyon, lens and the differents cups) will add to the club fame and financial health.
I think that the fans will be more happy with such a comfortable stadium and the average attendance will grow. Lille owner said that actually, Lille lose about 40millions euros with the little stadium they are forced to use.
secondly, Lille will become known as a sport-friendly city all over Europe.
If Lille can make the sacrifice to pay for such a jewel, the reward will be great, on the long term, of course.

Well said Vilak not mentioning that Lille will be on the lists of promoters for megaconcert. The location makes it a given! As well as fairs, and all events requiring lots of available groundspace.

In addition to that if Lille cannot get the stadium to be packed by just playing in L1, if they manage to go back to UEFA cup or Champions league en a few years then the stadium will sell out. As Vilak said stadia are always long term project.

The L1 can see its ratings evolve positively if teams go in the right direction. Lille, Lyon and Lens seem to get it. I hope Lille and Lens can keep their heads off the water until the project are concrete solid!

According to a survey in lille , 85% of opinions are in favour to that stadium!

where are the renders?

The vote for a stadium is february 1st, then next week or one of those days pics will be launched.
I 'll be there to show renders. trust me :)

I can appreciate what you're saying, I have been to Lille and enjoyed my time there. I don't doubt Lille would attract a full house of 50k for big European ties or against hign profile league opponents. I question whether maybe 20k empty seats for the majority of games means it worthwhile building such a large venue. You are of course presuming that Lille achieve constant European qualification and that they are challenging for the league guaranteeing big crowds. I appreciate the people of Lille are all for this new venue but does that guarantee they will turn up at the door? I can promise you this is not a racist rant against the French, merely a constructive argument against the need for a 50k venue in Lille.

Lille's biggest problem is its name
When you hear Lille you think of little (Lil'). So a 50.000 is too big for that city :D

Lille will be able to host France's national teams with this as well.

Lille's biggest problem is its name
When you here Lille you think of little (Lil'). So a 50.000 is too big for that city :D


LOL man :lol:


It's not a problem to have such strusctures. Honestly i think it's already too small because of big events you could make.

i think a variable arena of 55000 changing in 70000 seats would be better!!

Towns in the world in general growns. And a structure would be thought for the 50 years coming at least.

Just for information

Lilles's Population 1.143.125.

And here some info about stadium, location etc
http://www.lillemetropole.fr/gallery_files/site/89971/89972/89996.pdf

I sincerely hope for LOSC the stadium comes as soon as possible.
The team has lost an enormous amount of money playing in that little stadium in Villeneuve d'Ascq.
Nearby Lens and Valenciennes have decided to built a new stadium aswell.

The Nord is coming alive, Lille 2004 was the start of it

btw : j'adore le Nord :yes:

Just for information

Lilles's Population 1.143.125.

And here some info about stadium, location etc
http://www.lillemetropole.fr/gallery_files/site/89971/89972/89996.pdf

Incorrect, Lille's population is 226,800, the figure you gave is the metropolitan area including parts of Belgium

No no!!
It's ridiculous to take lille for its 200000 people because there are too many cities surrounding lille . it's a "conurbation" of multiple small cities.

Example : La madeleine is neighbor of lille and is not lille. A city like villeneuve d'ascq which is located 8 min by metro has around 70 000 people!!

It's decent to pretend that is a area of more 1 million people.

And this information about the two projects left (three at origin):

Le grand stade fait des euros


On y voit un peu plus clair. Marc-Philippe Daubresse, premier vice-président (UMP) de la communauté urbaine (LMCU), a soulevé hier un coin du voile qui repose sur les projets des deux candidats qui restent dans la course à la réalisation du grand stade. Celui de Vinci semblant être hors course.

Le projet Bouygues, favori, coûterait à la communauté urbaine 10,7 millions d'euros par an sur trente et un ans. Déduction faite d'une aide de 45 millions d'euros du conseil régional, et d'une contribution annuelle du Losc de 7,5 millions d'euros. « Le club a accepté d'augmenter sa participation à un niveau plus raisonnable », a estimé Marc-Philippe Daubresse. Initialement fixée à un million d'euros, la part du Losc intègre désormais la location du nom du stade à un partenaire privé du club (le « naming »).

Le deuxième projet dans les clous, celui d'Eiffage, coûterait à LMCU trois millions d'euros de plus par an. Une différence qui, selon Marc-Philippe Daubresse, vient en partie de la participation de la caisse des dépôts au consortium Bouygues-Norpac : « Cet organisme a des conditions de financement plus avantageuses. » Mais le projet d'Eiffage intègre une salle omnisports en plus du stade. « Cela peut valoir le coup », estime Marc-Philippe Daubresse. Pas sûr cependant que quelqu'un accepte de payer le surcoût, surtout que la durée du partenariat est passée d'un coup de trente à trente et un ans. Soit une rallonge de 10,7 millions minimum. Réponse en communauté urbaine le 1er février.


Translation:

two projects left-> Eiffage and bouygues but Bouygues is the favourite because the lower costs.
Eiffage project is million euros higher per year and includes a 55 000 stadium+ a multifunctionnal indoor Arena . i.e two projects in one!!! :eek: amazing!!

Lille is very similar to Manchester in the sense it's a medium sized city at the core of a larger conurbation. Although often regarded as Englands 2nd city (disputed by Birmingham) it has only the 7th largest population with 482,000 residents. As with Lille the metropolitan area is far greater. My point is (and maybe I'm contradicting myself) if Manchester can support 2 clubs with average attendances of nearly 76,000 for Utd and over 40,000 for City maybe Lille can do the same. Greater Manchester also has the clubs Wigan, Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Stockport & Rochdale within it's boundaries. Apart from Lens, what other clubs does the Lille Metropolitan area support?

Wasquehal is a suburb and they play in league 3 . They were in league 2 a few years ago. They also use the stadium where lille plays.

In a few years stadium nord will be modernize and will have 20000 seats (17000 now) . the stadium will be used mainly for athletism.

Lens is not in lille area.

So how can part of Belgium be part of the Lille conurbation but not Lens which is on the door step?

So how can part of Belgium be part of the Lille conurbation but not Lens which is on the door step?


lens is not in the department than lille.


INFO: about the stadium, President of Lille club says " It's better than 5 stars stadium...it is a 7 stars stadium"
If it's true :eek:

Quick infomation:

Architect of Bouygues projetc is the one who made Bern stadium in Switzerland!

Is there someone here who know his name??
I hope that he will not make the same type of awful stadium :(
I don't apreciate euro 2008 stadiums ! They are ALL awful!

Location in Villeneuve d'Ascq:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8607/emplacement2vl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7351/emplacementaw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

how much it goes to coast??

400 million euros dude!

how is the public transportation in this area ?

I don't know if they gonna to extend the metro line. Nearest metro station is 10 minutes on line 1

Several roads will be made for automobilists and pedestrians.

A direct pedestrian way will be designed from the campus university of lille 1 to he stadium.

I can't stand waiting to see the first renders of stadium!! :nuts:

Friday the final choice will be revealed!!! :banana:

some type of partnership??

Quick information:

Architect of Bouygues project is the one who made Bern stadium in Switzerland!

Is there someone here who know his name??
I hope that he will not make the same type of awful stadium :(
I don't apreciate euro 2008 stadiums ! They are ALL awful!

Location in Villeneuve d'Ascq:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8607/emplacement2vl3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/7351/emplacementaw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that it! These are the only renderings available! Sorry Axelferis but they suck!

Well the stadium should help boost real estate in the area which is a good thing and it's close to the highway too! 400 Mil not a bad price tag but I 'd be Mr Seydoux I'd be more humble when talking about my stadium. He's just going to piss of everybody else in Europe. 7 stars they better deliver cause it's a big statement.

Neda say_> this is not final renders of course but just the localization of stadium!!

Renders will be very spectacular they said because "no equivalent" in europe.

Persons who have seen the 3 projects said they are VERY VERY beautiful!! :nuts:

I'm very impatient to see them and bring them here :cheers:

The type of partnership is public-private.

Explanations: Partnership public (the city community of lille), private (Lille club)

A consortium (Bouygues) will build the stadium and after Lille pays them!
during 30 years!!! 10 million per year!!

The naming will be used . We don't know which company will give its name.

then you have it!

Neda say_> this is not final renders of course but just the localization of stadium!!

Renders will be very spectacular they said because "no equivalent" in europe.

Persons who have seen the 3 projects said they are VERY VERY beautiful!! :nuts:

I'm very impatient to see them and bring them here :cheers:

The type of partnership is public-private.

Explanations: Partnership public (the city community of lille), private (Lille club)

A consortium (Bouygues) will build the stadium and after Lille pays them!
during 30 years!!! 10 million per year!!

The naming will be used . We don't know which company will give its name.

then you have it!

Decathlon! Who else!

:| no non i 'm sure they can't afford such a price!!

You know i'm sure it will not be a north of france company because it is known they are greed!! It's not the type of firm to invest such financement.

i think M. Seydoux will have Partouche casino, Benelux or asiatic,Emirate or indian companies because those countries are akin to raise funds in such operations.

The method for naming (i've heard this) is to give files to foreign group of investment and if the project is good such companies pay their bucks!

In the case of Le mans for example, their candidature wasn't interesting enough for international companies.

But a Mega project like the lille one could interest more companies.
The mayor of belgian city of Tournai said they are interested by this stadium because the proximity of Lille (very very neighbor area).

i bet it will not a french company.

BTW
You signature
""Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"
President of the lille club"
Actually this star rating system is over

BTW
You signature
""Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"
President of the lille club"
Actually this star rating system is over

I know. It means that it will surpass everything you 've seen before :banana:

Noooo. Nou Camp will be better
Or Valencia stadium :D

STAR WARS :D

Nou Mestalla is fantastic!!!! but has no roof (anyway it don't need it :D )

Nou Mestalla has a roof.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/urbanity_02/estadio15ma2007a.jpg

I find the stadium of Bern quite boring. Did this architect do any other stadiums?
I hope this one will be a bit more original than the Stade de Suisse.

Nou Mestalla has a roof.
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/urbanity_02/estadio15ma2007a.jpg

I find the stadium of Bern quite boring. Did this architect do any other stadiums?
I hope this one will be a bit more original than the Stade de Suisse.


i'm talking about retractable roof man :|

It's Valencia who cares for a retractable roof! it rains about once a year !!! Ok I know I'm pushing it twice a year!!:nuts:

D-2 before unveilment :nuts:

I really don't know what to expect but I fear a little disapointment.
With all the state of the art stadiums building all around the world, how can you definitly say "Mine will be better"?
The good point is that Lille will finally have a big stadium.

D-1 before unveilment!!!! :cheers:
No matters how the stadium will be! it 's coo for lille just to have a TRUE stadium! :okay:

Luscher / Schwaar & Rebmann are the architects of Stade de Suisse in Bern

oki thanx!!!
i'm going to paris tomorrow and i will not be here all day long.
Could someone put the pics of the projects here?,

it will be easy to find them on the web.

I give you the site of urban communauty of lille . The decision will be broadscasted on the site:

http://www.cudl-lille.fr/index.php?p=495&art_id=15836

the vote of the winner project in live condition!! :okay:

Quick infomation:

Architect of Bouygues projetc is the one who made Bern stadium in Switzerland!

Is there someone here who know his name??
I hope that he will not make the same type of awful stadium :(
I don't apreciate euro 2008 stadiums ! They are ALL awful!


The project in Bern (like the one in Basel) was very much driven by the General Contractor Bruno Marazzi. So, the economic soundness and practicability played the most important role. Fancy contructions didn't have a chance in the competition. At least it's innovative in the sense of having the worldwide biggest solar stadium power plant. ;)

I read in the other post that the football club of Lille will pay 10 Million Euro per year for the stadium? That would be absolutely impossible in Switzerland - it would be more than the whole yearly budget a 1st Division Club. The income from TV contracts is much lower. So, the financial base for calculation is a very different one and that changes everything.

Wandorf had a bill of 45 Mio Euro (stadium only) / 220 Mio Euro (the whole complex). The architects of the competition in the first round were Rebmann, Rebmann, Meier. There was a second round which was based on this first draft which was then won by Schwaar & Partner, but they included then Rebmann into their team.

What's wrong with the Wankdorf (apart from the name ;))? Its beauty is in it simplicity.

Anyway, any pics of this new Lille Dome?

Who will own the stadiul? The city? The club?
I didn't find pix yet on the web

[QUOTE=railcity;18125166]The project in Bern (like the one in Basel) was very much driven by the General Contractor Bruno Marazzi. So, the economic soundness and practicability played the most important role. Fancy contructions didn't have a chance in the competition. At least it's innovative in the sense of having the worldwide biggest solar stadium power plant. ;)

I read in the other post that the football club of Lille will pay 10 Million Euro per year for the stadium? That would be absolutely impossible in Switzerland - it would be more than the whole yearly budget a 1st Division Club. The income from TV contracts is much lower. So, the financial base for calculation is a very different one and that changes everything.



Not at all!! 10 million is paid by the club and the city of lille. It's mixed partnership

Eiffage seems to have win ?

?? it's decided now. The winner and pics in few minutes..

Oh yes ! the preference is
1/Eiffage
2/Norac Bouygues
3/Vinci

I saw one of them and it is AWFUL!!!! but very multifunctionnal!!! it includes the stadium (looks like Allianz arena) and t could be transformed in basketball arena!!! (the ground is under the grass and the stadium become divided in two arena!!!!!!!! TRULY AMAZING!!!!

we are waiting
i am excited :D

Yeah!!!! Well still waiting !!!!!!!

Eiffage won by 82% !!!!

Yeah!!!! Still waiting !!!!!!! For the pics!!!!!!!!!

Thetransformation of stadium is VERY spectacular!!!! pics are coming!

But i still say that the design is AWFUL!!

Eco-friendly-50 000 seats with retractable roof-multi-fonctionnal (arena for tennis/basket/ and so on, concert hall), natural grass with advanced technology under it (the grass can go higher to create a roof for a smaller arena) ... the stadium look Sapporo Dome but totally white and retractable roof.

Video is coming in few minutes!!!!!!

Eiffage winner project:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7178/eiffage1dz5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Hm, not a fan of it at first sight. Hope to see more and better pics soon.

other pics:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2120/eiffage2kf1.png (http://imageshack.us)


there's a bigger glass wall:

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7882/eiffage3mb8.png (http://imageshack.us)

An odd color for a stadium but it looks alright to me , Go Lille !

Technical file of the new stadium : click here (http://www.lillemetropole.fr/gallery_files/site/137330/137346.pdf)

Competitors projects:

Norpac/Bouygues:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6536/norpac1ui3.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/566/norpac2fl1.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2387/norpac3oq5.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2387/norpac3oq5.3cca770caa.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=513&i=norpac3oq5.png)


VINci project:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5725/vinci2xh9.png (http://imageshack.us)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3279/vinci3fq0.png (http://imageshack.us)

New stadium of Lille
http://www.losc.fr/~loscv2/users/articles/Les_3_projets_en_images_sur_LOSC.fr_%21.inc/080201Eiffage01.jpg
http://www.losc.fr/~loscv2/users/articles/Les_3_projets_en_images_sur_LOSC.fr_%21.inc/080201Eiffage02.jpg
http://www.losc.fr/~loscv2/users/articles/Les_3_projets_en_images_sur_LOSC.fr_%21.inc/080201Eiffage03.jpg
http://www.losc.fr/~loscv2/users/articles/Les_3_projets_en_images_sur_LOSC.fr_%21.inc/080201Eiffage04.jpg
http://www.losc.fr/~loscv2/users/articles/Les_3_projets_en_images_sur_LOSC.fr_%21.inc/080201Eiffage05.jpg

In the video the transformation of the stadium in 2 arena is AMAZIING!!!!

One stadium becomes 2 Arenas!!!! Never seen that before!! :nuts:
:eek: Despite its unesthetic design the multifunctional aspect is VERY VERY awesome!!!!! :banana:

I don't really have an opinion for now but I can say that the design is not so original and that I like the arena/stadium conversion.
The bad point is that it seems that the choosen capacity was the minima of the requirement (50.000) altough it will be enough for Lille.

In the video the transformation of the stadium in 2 arena is AMAZIING!!!!

One stadium becomes 2 Arenas!!!! Never seen that before!! :nuts:
:eek: Despite its unesthetic design the multifunctional aspect is VERY VERY awesome!!!!! :banana:

1996 Olympics, the Georgia Dome was used for both gymnastics and basketball at the same time. A large partition divided the stadium into two "arenas."

Most large domed stadiums in the US have been configured to use one end for a large basketball or concerts arena, and many have a partition system that will allow the other half of the stadium to be used for a different event in need be.

yes . I 'm deceived with the capacity! t's exatly 50 186 :ohno:
too small i think . Why the minima wasn't 55 000 ?? :bash:

Gunnerjacket> watch the video you'll understand what i mean.

Do you have a link for the video?

i'll post it as soon as they put it on the losc website

Ok thanks!

I like better the VINci design and absolutly hate the Bouygues design.

Any renderings, because a mdel do not show the real colour and i do not understand the thing with Arena stadim 2 things etc?

What was the capacity of the other proposals?
IMO the best one won
Congrats Lille and Axelferis
Our teams will get stadiums with a retraceable roof

At least europe will get another retractable roof stadium along amsterdam, cardiff or dusseldorf :cheers:

you have forgoten gleredome, and veltins arena

VIDEO here!!!

http://www.loscwebtv.fr/?r=1,1,,2,258

Just saw the video.
It looks AWESOME!!!!!
Great infrastructure and VERY multifonctionnal.
Watch it.
My opinion is made : the stadium is incredible!!!!!!!

Pics from the video:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9462/final1cn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Opened:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1655/final5yw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Closed:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6125/final2ls2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6228/final3gf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3720/final4as2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Basketball Transformation:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/495/final6dt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7233/final8ot1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The basketball,handball,Volleyball ground is under the grass!!!

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2370/final7un9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:eek:

loundges:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4977/final9rc8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

perspectives:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8320/final10pk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8738/final11ny7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Never seen befrore such an easy level of transformation!!! :nuts: :banana:

Looks like the Alamo Dome in San Antonio when in the dual set up! The basketball ground hidden under the pitch is clever though! That gives them a what 22000 seats for pro indoor sports! This is France, at the moment no indoor pro team can fill that out. Unless you ask for an NBA franchise during NBA Europe live events, event French National team might struggle to pack it in.

Well they are getting good bang for their bucks no lets hope they get this one of the ground quick so that the still have an outdoor pro team to play in it!

They don't make it to 55k in my opinion that's no biggy! they chose the "most descent" design even if the roof integration looks really really cheap.

The design is already growing on me.

Global cost for stadium and area elements= 700 millions euros :eek:
:bash:

It's a descent price tag. This is a very american stadium in it's conception and with land acquisition cost of developing the land around it and roadwork it's even like a small price tag. You would have had to pay the same for the stadium only in the US. No naming rights announced yet!

Do you have dates of delivery and ground breaking!?

The transformation into an arena is really cool. And the interior looks good too.
But I still don't like the outside.

early 2009 debut of works

2011 : First match of Lille club

ipioe--> It's true that outside doesn't take my heart. It is very cclassic modern form. But the multifunctional aspect dazzles me :banana:

I already see a Davis Cup match :) nordists are particular supporters, will be amazing to hear them in such arena :cheers:

Little precisions:

-Roof includes solar receptors
-Two Windumps for electricity production
-The stadium is conform with french HQE(High standard Environment Quality)
-It has the exigences to be a 5 stars UEFA!

3 tiers or am i wrong?
Do you know how many suites / VIP boxes it will have?

EDIT: Whats the capacity of the Basketball Arena?

Nice arena.
Finally therell be a proper big ground in France aside from the SDF
That Basketball lowering setup is pretty intesting btw.
Has that been done before in this specific way?

I'm impressed, actually. Simplistic in form but that belies the efficiency of the structure, an aspect often taken for granted. Personally I'm growing weary of the "wrapped" look for stadiums, but as mentioned earlier this exterior has multiple functions.

Well done, and I hope Lille can regulalry fill it up! Cheers! :)

For the moment i don't know the number of suites but alongside the stadium

there will have buildings for:

-Restaurants
-Hotels
-Sport medical clinique
-Offices

And yes the basket arena was included because one demand f the city of Lille was to stress on the multifunctional aspect.
Eiffage realized it with a magistral way!!! :okay:

People around the project that this idea is NOW a reference,tops a mark in the conception of future stadiums and areas!

The Arenas looks big. Capacity?
Give us more information and pics :D

ok let's go:

50186 seats.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7108/stade3updd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3946/stade1upqc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/175/stade4upnu2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9130/stade2upnb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9771/stade5uppw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

2009-2011: two years to get the stadium build, not bad. I can't wait to see it done. I like the fact that they decided to go green (wood, glass for the frame plus concrete for the fondations). It looks a bit conservative in terms of design but it's more like a magic box with many tricks up the sleeves.

I don't know why the city asked for an "arena but why not. It's going to be pretty hard to pack it even if they get a LNB (french basketball league) franchise.

I'm just a bit afraid of the two years to come for Lille, these are going to be two very long seasons! Not to sound awfully pessimistic but two more years in stadium will drain their finance. Grimonprez Joris was a bit bigger and they were getting it packed more often than now. A 14000 people average at every game is just dreadful. I'm afraid the team will just have to use a fire sales at the end of the seasons to stay afloat. Good luck to the manager to find cheap players and maintain the team in L1 on a shoestring!

2009-2011: two years to get the stadium build, not bad. I can't wait to see it done. I like the fact that they decided to go green (wood, glass for the frame plus concrete for the fondations). It looks a bit conservative in terms of design but it's more like a magic box with many tricks up the sleeves.

I don't know why the city asked for an "arena but why not. It's going to be pretty hard to pack it even if they get a LNB (french basketball league) franchise.

I'm just a bit afraid of the two years to come for Lille, these are going to be two very long seasons! Not to sound awfully pessimistic but two more years in stadium will drain their finance. Grimonprez Joris was a bit bigger and they were getting it packed more often than now. A 14000 people average at every game is just dreadful. I'm afraid the team will just have to use a fire sales at the end of the seasons to stay afloat. Good luck to the manager to find cheap players and maintain the team in L1 on a shoestring!

The team management of lille club wanted the arena because it is more profitable to interest companies partnership in processus of NAMING!

If you want to make a private project( and even the public politics) you have to find arguments .

1/The purpose is when the stadium is not used for match of football international meetings,conventions,spectables could take place at any moment of the year.
They give one day the example of a cancelled concert by french rock star Johnny Haliday!!
the concert had been cancelled because it was raining this day and the Stade de France hasn't got a ...roof!!

2/The second argument is: Lille has a 7000 seats hall of spectacles and concerts BUT no arena of +10000 or 15000 fororganization of basketball or Davis cup events like Bercy in Paris!

They wanted to make 2 places of events and sport in 1 rather than wait several years to build another arena somewhere else in Lille metropolitan area!

I think now, that a lot of cities will think like lille did, because you save money in not doing 2 different studies of conception.

They also watched what had been done in arena construction field. They were in Amstersdam,Schalke,etc... to see what could be upgrade in term of quality and multifunctional use.

It is a very genuine reflection and initiative because it reaches to another level of quality and standards like i said before.

more pics from video:

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3308/final10gn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7380/final12tf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7039/final14bi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6839/final15ph0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1188/final13ip2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7599/final16qo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9125/final17dt1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6973/final18xx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The arena looks like it will be 25.000 (50.000/2) + 2/3.000 seats so I bet for 27.000 seats at least.

If you talk about Tennis, a 2 week ATP tour tournament during late june/early July could very well be in the mind of Lille sport department.
Also Handball, voleyball and Basketball would love (I presume) to hold their world cup or Eurocup tournament in such an Arena.
boxing events, concerts and maybe Hockey could also be part of the schedule.

In the video, they talked about around 130 events a year.

What we need to know now is how many time it will take to pass from one configuration to another.

Very good question indeed!

all i know for the moment is that the roof needs 30 min to cover the whole stadium.
Infos are coming.

For eyes only:
(better renders)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6876/lillegrandstade01mediumbe8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6149/lillegrandstade03mediumqw5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6149/lillegrandstade03mediumqw5.e01066e2c8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=525&i=lillegrandstade03mediumqw5.jpg)

T-R-A-N-S-F-O-R-M-A-T-I-O-N

"Box of spectacles" according to conceptors:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7176/lillegrandstade11mediumbd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1716/lillegrandstade12mediumsc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7175/lillegrandstade13mediummq2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


The jewel in the night:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/189/lillegrandstade08mediumiw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

enjoy :okay:

Are the seats orange?

no, reddish! I think!

Is it just me or do the aisles in the lower level seem really wide?
Very cool basketball/tennis set up btw

Yeah, i have notictaht also
Comparing to the 2nd tier there are extremly wider

Any infos about the number of suites?

2nd tiers is called "business belt" . You understand that is the part which give access to suites.

But i don't know the exact number of suites

Actually there are mainly 3 types of "seats" in a modern stadium

Many "normal" seats
Than we have the "Business Seats" (more comfortable seats and you can go inside the stadium where there is a big lounge and eat and drink for free) and the suites / boxes wich have a balcony (3 rows in general)

So here the small tier is the "Business" level tier like at Emirates or da luz.
And like at Emirates and da luz it has also the suites.

EDIT:
You can see the 3 types very well in this pic
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/7599/final16qo3.jpg

Orange = normal seats
white = Business Seats
red = seats of the boxes

More pics:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/236/lillegrandstade10mediumrw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/707/lille11mediumlo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8050/lille12mediumdg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Like at new GS stadium, you have also those "double" stairs at the 2nd tier (3rd tier)

"Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"

Yes having done 5, 5 star stadia it would be good to add a 7 star stadia to 5 star stadia list, say that fast after 10 pints!

"Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"

Yes having done 5, 5 star stadia it would be good to add a 7 star stadia to 5 star stadia list, say that fast after 10 pints!

7 stars because this project includes more of that UEFA requirements!

i explain: The stadium have :
-solar receptors and
-windumps to produce and reduce its energetical needs!

PLUs:
-this "box of spectacles " which enable it directly to be an indoor arena (small or tall)

This is not the case of a lot of project in the world you know!

it is an genuine initiative! Give me example of new projects that include ecological elements at it basis conception??
uh??

ps: which stadium between lyon and lille is the nicer??

On the "concert" pics, it looks like it will be less than 25.000 seats available.

ps: which stadium between lyon and lille is the nicer??


I like better the Lille one's!.
For stadiums, I've always favoured technology (and the comfort that it brings) to beauty (and the pride that it brings).

Which will be the cheaper?
the more used?
the one which will make the most money?
I've no clue for those ones.
Oh, we don't even know wich one will be the first achieved... isn't it?

On the "concert" pics, it looks like it will be less than 25.000 seats available.


A lesson of mathematic ( lol)

-Stadium capacity (normal configuration)=50186seats
-"Box of spectacles" under the field= 6000 seats

Concert or spectacle configuration: 50186+6000= 56186/2= 28093!!!

or better than that! you take the half of stadium 25093
you add the 6000 seats
then you have 31093 seats for concerts!! (in indoor mode)

because you could take the whole stadium like everywhere and obtain 100000 people for a concert! :)


Thus, different modes:
-28093
-31093
-100000

make your choice :cheers:

I do not get it with the 100.000?
How?

I disagree!

I am talking about the configuration show on the "concert" pix. I don't argue about numbers told by the architects.

On this pix, the arena mode doesn't make half of the stadium seats available!
So your 50.186/2 can't be accurate.
Also, the pix shows that one side of the "box of spectacle" (the one behind the stage) is blocked so your 6.000 is also not the proper number. even the 6.000/2 is wrong because this will be more than this. Ok, the seats that will be right on the side of the stage could be blocked for better view but you can counts on 3.500 at least (look at actual concert pix, the line of blocking doesn't reduce capacity of a stand at half but let's say 2/3 of it).

If the Arena mode is indeed cuting the stadium capacity in half and adding 6.000 seats then the picture is not showing this mode but a reduced one for little concert.
Read me better before answering next time please.

Vilak-> What concerts are we talking about?

If you imagine a concert a la justin timberlake like his last tour , the scene was a 360 degree !! People could watch him, face,behind and all the sides!!

if this type of concert would take place in Lille this is the configuration of a handball or basketball stadium:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7176/lillegrandstade11mediumbd7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1716/lillegrandstade12mediumsc3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

View by 360 from the artist performer!

look last timberlake tour at O2 Arena london:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=X3uERmSHkuc&feature=related

Then you have the optimal configuration with lille :cheers:

And don't forget the stadium is divided in two for arena mode!!!
At least you are obliged to have a minima of 25000 seats! it's just logical buddy!

I was talking about actual pix of concert, not pix that are on this forum, just for your personnal knowledge.

concerning our argument, The picture i was refering to is this one (which is the last posted when I talked about numbers) :

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8050/lille12mediumdg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us).

25.000? no way.

I don't know what's wrong with you, it was obvious I was talking about this one.

Of course, for the pix that you just saw of the stadium in arena mode for Handball or tennis, it's obvious it's 25.000 at least but I never challenged this point.

I am logical no?

I think that the Eiffage project was really the best one.
The most beautiful also.

Its nickname has already been "the soap".

I am very proud, but this stadium will cost awfully expensive!

Vilak--> be polite please :)

Wait for the final numbers and you'll see yourself you are wrong saying that it will not match the 25000 seats at least!

What a useless discussion about something which has been already confirmed and seem very logical even for a child of 3 ...

don't forget that the pic you're showing is a very crap simplistic render just to illustrate with a naive simplicty the ability to become a hall of spectacles.Just an illustration (unrelevant)

if you are intelligent enough you know that every hall of spectacle needs to add seats to surround the stage!!
It 's like this everywhere!!!!!! It could even be more than 31000 seats with those temporary added seats!!

This pic is empty! How can you imagine a real concert without people around the stage?? Don't believe the pic , it s a bad pic! Just trust the numbers! man

It's logical...

Give me example of new projects that include ecological elements at it basis conception??
uh??

ps: which stadium between lyon and lille is the nicer??

Example? St. Jakob Park (years before Lille), Sydney Olympic, Prince's Park in Dartford (the last one is actually 100 times more ecological...)

PS: Lyon, definately. (you asked which will be nicer -so matter of taste- , not more innovative- then I'd go for Lille without a second thought)

As for your signature:
"Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"
Yeah, it won't be 5 star stadium, because it's too small :lol: (hate that kind of propaganda or to call it more gently "interpretations of reality")
70k + my friend. And no arena mode will help. Besides- no stars are granted any more so it won't have 7 anyway.

Plus- the thing with seperating part of the stadium behind the goal from the other tiers is nothing new really- the StadiArena concept was first at that, just didn't have the pitch thing going on (which of course is good for Lille).

Example? St. Jakob Park (years before Lille), Sydney Olympic, Prince's Park in Dartford (the last one is actually 100 times more ecological...)

PS: Lyon, definately. (you asked which will be nicer -so matter of taste- , not more innovative- then I'd go for Lille without a second thought)

As for your signature:
"Lille will not be a 5 star stadium ...but a 7 stars stadium"
Yeah, it won't be 5 star stadium, because it's too small :lol: (hate that kind of propaganda or to call it more gently "interpretations of reality")
70k + my friend. And no arena mode will help. Besides- no stars are granted any more so it won't have 7 anyway.

Plus- the thing with seperating part of the stadium behind the goal from the other tiers is nothing new really- the StadiArena concept was first at that, just didn't have the pitch thing going on (which of course is good for Lille).

1/ Lille is already a 5 stars stadium because a list of requirement os UEFA and 45000 seats is just the minimum in term of capacity to be a 5 stars stadium, Lille is 50186 ok? :wave:
Don't forget that Schalke is 54000 seats and had a champion's league final in 2004.

2/Yes another stadiums especially in japan are ecological too. In France too because St etienne and others putted solar receptors too! Not windumps like it is in Lille and at the start of the project. Ok? :wave:

3/ Please give me pics of a stadium which have this system already in place please. Thanx. :wave:

4/7 stars is not my words but whom of President lille club before the project was unveiled. Then it is a citation Ok?. :wave:

5/Lyon and Lille have both fantastic projects. But frankly at the beginning i used to think Lyon is nicer than lille...but now when i compare on certains angles views of stadiums, i' recognize lille will be easier to take by photos than lyon .

Lyon has a very ambitious design but for a photgraph it will be hard to take a very beautiful pic if he hasn't got a... plane!
The main fantastic vision of stadium is from a bird or a plane view

Illustration:

Plane or bird view:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9993/14546qw3.jpg

Pedestrian view (by night)
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2272/14547pe9.jpg

very beautiful if you have a plane.
very strange form if you are a pedestrian.

Look at lille which is less ambitious but seems more like a beautiful Allianz arena(i prefer Allianz than Olyonnais stadium )

pedestrian view
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/236/lillegrandstade10mediumrw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Plane or bird view:
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/6876/lillegrandstade01mediumbe8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Make your choice! but i prefer now Lille after criticize it at the beginning :okay:


Finally, inform yourself before attacking me like you did!

Axelferis :

I've always been polite with you. I never named you other than by your nickname "Axelferis", never even called you "Buddy".

I forgot that the pic I was showing is a very crap simplistic render just to illustrate with a naive simplicty the ability to become a hall of spectacles?
If the architect had made accurate plans of the stadium, why show "illustrations" that are not accurate?
If you're right, I can't be blamed to be wrong cos the only thing I see are those "very crap simplistic render just to illustrate with a naive simplicty the ability to become a hall of spectacles". If the numbers they told are accurate, how do they have the guts to show such a pix that absolutly don't give us a glimpse of reality and how can I tell myself "Don't believe the pic , it s a bad pic! Just trust the numbers!"? After all, I am supposed to believe that the Pix are accurate, they are not made by an amateur, but based on the plans of the future stadium...
Look : first I hear about a 25.000 seat arena for concert and then what is shown to me is a "very crap simplistic render just to illustrate with a naive simplicty the ability to become a hall of spectacles". If I have a brain, I will just tell that the pix doesn't show what the numbers told and that's exactly what I said!!!


If the discussion is useless and you think I have a 3yo child brain, why answer me? This is very childish to say "this discussion is useless" then to continue it... it is not... how could I say? LOGICAL may be the right word isn't it?

Concerning the temporary seats, it's up to the kind of concert and the place of the stage on the arena. Look at Bercy : all the seats of the stand that is behind the stage amount to the same level of the audience that can be packed on the floor in front of the stage, and this audience have to be standing, not seated . It doesn't add or cut anything in term of capacity. So, even in admitting that you can have a 6.000 audience on the "box of spectacle" with the kind of configuration that is shown on the very pic we are talking about, there's no way there can be 25.000 people in the stands that are part of the football stadium.

The pic is empty? I know, that's why I talked about SEATS available for the audience and not about people in attendance.

The positive think about this is that with such an argument, we manage to point things that are right and things that are wrong in the introduction of the stadium's virtual model.

Axel, unfortunately the 5 star thing is over

+50.000 = UEFA cup Final
+70.000 = CL Final

This is the new critera.
So Lilles and Galatasaraysnew stadium can only host a UEFA Cup final

1/ Lille is already a 5 stars stadium because a list of requirement os UEFA and 45000 seats is just the minimum in term of capacity to be a 5 stars stadium, Lille is 50186 ok? :wave:
Don't forget that Schalke is 54000 seats and had a champion's league final in 2004.
Just as Sercan wrote... Now the minimum requirement for Champions League final (equvalent of former 5 stars) is 70 000. That's not my idea, but new release of UEFA.

2/Yes another stadiums especially in japan are ecological too. In France too because St etienne and others putted solar receptors too! Not windumps like it is in Lille and at the start of the project. Ok? :wave:
I didn't say anything about windumps (I don't even undrstand that word). You asked different question, remember? And I quote: "Give me example of new projects that include ecological elements at it basis conception??"
Then yes- Dartford stadium is far more ecological than Lille. With or without windumps.

3/ Please give me pics of a stadium which have this system already in place please. Thanx. :wave:
I said THE CONCEPT of. It's actually not really important for me as StadiArena s just a design. But wait- isn't Lille Dome just a concept as well?

4/7 stars is not my words but whom of President lille club before the project was unveiled. Then it is a citation Ok?. :wave:
Yes, I got that. What does it change? I didn't laugh at you, but at the sentence.

5/Lyon and Lille have both fantastic projects. But frankly at the beginning i used to think Lyon is nicer than lille...but now when i compare on certains angles views of stadiums, i' recognize lille will be easier to take by photos than lyon .
Sorry, but is that any criteria? No comment.

Finally, inform yourself before attacking me like you did!
Which refers to... (?)

@ VIlak--> The only bad pic is this one:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8050/lille12mediumdg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us).

Just because everyone can see it 's not good proportionned. It's clear!

The others are beautiful.. And we can get confident that architect will release very high resolutions pics later.

:cheers:

Axel, unfortunately the 5 star thing is over

+50.000 = UEFA cup Final
+70.000 = CL Final

This is the new critera.
So Lilles and Galatasaraysnew stadium can only host a UEFA Cup final


Schalke04 Is a 5 stars stadium or not?? did'nt get their final or no??

They just received it a few month ago and now they aren't????

Amsterdam Arena is not a 5 star stadium?? Allianz arena too??

please give me the official document of UEFA??

New galatasaray will not a 5 stars stadium??

You can have 5 stars but host a UEFA cup. Lyon is not already a 5 stars???
Donesk will never be a 5 stars??? :lol:

Estadio da Luz too??
So much beautiful stadiums doomed because not 70 k capacity??
Don't confuse 5 stars and the final of Champion's league please!!!!

Axel, unfortunately the 5 star thing is over

+50.000 = UEFA cup Final
+70.000 = CL Final

This is the new critera.
So Lilles and Galatasaraysnew stadium can only host a UEFA Cup final

Really?
I don't know what to think about it...
If you look at the 5 star stadiums that are listed on the fussballtempel site, you'll see that the number of remaining stadium will not be especially exciting with the +70.000 requirement.

I remeber that sometimes the stadium is not full for a CL final. look at old
trafford in 2003 for Milan/juve, the stadium was far from being sold out...

whatever, it's sad for Lille or Lyon...

This year UEFA hands out last CL finals based on the 50k (5 star) rule. Those will be finals in 2010 and 2011. Since now the rules are changing. The new document was released in (I think) June 2007 and will go into force in about a year since then. I had it on my PC, but haven't got it any more sadly. Maybe someone else can send it to you.

Its a new decision (last summer i think)
http://rapidshare.com/files/55887465/Venue_Criteria_2007_-_club_competition_finals.pdf.html

So, 2010 and 2011 will on old rules?

Damn. Lille and GS are su unlucky. Just 2 years too late :(

@ VIlak--> The only bad pic is this one:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8050/lille12mediumdg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us).

Just because everyone can see it 's not good proportionned. It's clear!

The others are beautiful.. And we can get confident that architect will release very high resolutions pics later.

:cheers:

But this is the very only pic I'm talking about. the others are beautiful and seems absolutly accurate, I don't argue this. those other pics don't show this configuration.
I never mentionned the grotesque size of the performers because I never even noticed at it, I just made my opinion with the remaining part of the football stadium stands that, as far as this pix goes, can't hold 25.000 seated people.
So the problem is not that it's not good proportionned, , because it is possible to build such a stage in the boxe of spectacle, the problem is that this pix have nothing to do with the different configuration annouced.

If it is just a fantasy or a misunderstanding from the part of the man that created those pix, it should have been precised. It wasn't and that why I argued so much about the different numbers that are all far too big for this configuration.

i hope too to have soon or later more accurate renders.

:)

This decision is so stupid!!!

All those new beautiful not 5 stars stadiums=

Shalke
Allianz arena
Emirates
Estadio da luz
Lyon
Galatasaray
Lille
Donestk :lol:
:bash: rubbish !!
Every new stadium under 70 k not a 5 star??? :ohno:

They smoke at UEFA :lol:
Then Platini will go at schalke or Amsterdam to say: "please retire this UEFA 5 stars seal we gave you"

??? m)) .

:D
Actually is there a 5 star sign at the stadiums?

70.000 is really bad. Some countries wwill never host a CL final
Netherlands, Portugal, Scotland, Poland etc.

:D
Actually is there a 5 star sign at the stadiums?

70.000 is really bad. Some countries wwill never host a CL final
Netherlands, Portugal, Scotland, Poland etc.


Yes of course there is a 5 star in every Stadium which is awarded by UEfa!

I saw it on television in a french foot broadcast!!!
Schlake have their own :)

Barcelona:

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7710/5satrsif7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


and the list:

Allemagne AOL Arena (Hambourg) • Olympiastadion (Berlin) • Olympiastadion (Munich) • Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) • Veltins-Arena (Gelsenkirchen)
Angleterre Old Trafford (Manchester) • Wembley (Londres)
Autriche Ernst Happel (Vienne)
Écosse Hampden Park (Glasgow) • Ibrox Stadium (Glasgow)
Espagne Camp Nou (Barcelone) • Olympique de Montjuic (Barcelone) • Olympique (Séville) • Vicente Calderon (Madrid) • Santiago Bernabéu (Madrid)
France Stade de France (Paris/Saint-Denis)
Grèce Olympikos (Athènes)
Italie San Siro (Milan) • Olimpico (Rome)
Pays de Galles Millennium Stadium (Cardiff)
Pays-Bas ArenA (Amsterdam) • Feyenoord (Rotterdam)
Portugal Da Luz (Lisbonne) • Do Dragão (Porto) • José Alvalade (Lisbonne)
Russie Loujniki (Moscou)
Turquie Fenerbahçe Şükrü Saracoğlu (Istanbul) • Olympique Atatürk (Istanbul)

This decision is so stupid!!!

All those new beautiful not 5 stars stadiums=

Shalke
Allianz arena
Emirates
Estadio da luz
Lyon
Galatasaray
Lille
Donestk :lol:
:bash: rubbish !!
Every new stadium under 70 k not a 5 star??? :ohno:

They smoke at UEFA :lol:
Then Platini will go at schalke or Amsterdam to say: "please retire this UEFA 5 stars seal we gave you"

??? m)) .

What to say?
There's not a lot of 70.000+ stadium in europe that fullfill all the UEFA requirement.
At a time everybody favour the quality of comfort, it's very sad.
CL final is indeed our superbowl, but UEFA is not the NFL...

For a club like Lille that will be owner/parts-owner of its stadium, is it that much important to have a CL final or to be internationnally recognized as a 5 star stadium?I means, what kind of incomes, other than the one night CL final one's, can a stadium owner expect from this "Honnor"?

5 stars doesn't matter at all! it's just it was designed to be a "5 star" like satdium!! Just to be conform with the best modern standardsand it is good!

But we guess this sort of stadium is enough to host international sports event like matches of euro 2016 if France host it :)

Anyway thoses stadium (Lyon and lille) are largely above the actual french stadiums :lol:

Its a new decision (last summer i think)
http://rapidshare.com/files/55887465/Venue_Criteria_2007_-_club_competition_finals.pdf.html

A minimum capacity of 70,000 for the UEFA Champions League final and 40,000 for the UEFA Cup final is recommended

I think stadiums like Allianz Arena or Da Luz with a capacity near 70k would still be able to host it.
But only a bit more than 50k might not be enough.

"A minimum capacity of 70,000 for the UEFA Champions League final and 40,000 for the UEFA Cup final is recommended "


"recommended "is not "obligation" ??? :D

Actually Allinaz Arena has got a capacity of 72.662, but city only allows 69.901

not a 5 star! :naughty:

Which one?

Allianz arena and all those beautiful non 70 k stadia!!

emirates or Amsterdam not 5 stars... :( i'm dreaming!

Actually those are "5 star" stadium, because they full fill the requirements, but first they have to bid for an CL Final.

All new +50.000 stadium would have benn 5 star stadium.

But now this star thing is over / it chagend
4 star -> +40.000 modern stadiums
5 star -> +70.000 modern stadiums

:D
Actually is there a 5 star sign at the stadiums?

70.000 is really bad. Some countries wwill never host a CL final
Netherlands, Portugal, Scotland, Poland etc.

As much as it's sad for Poland, we don't really need a stadium like that now (and probably not within a decade). But Netherlands- they will have it. From what I've heard both de Kuip and ArenA will be refurbished to over 70k.
Just like Scotland's Ibrox which will also be over 70k, the procedures are pending from what I remeber (gossip says Celtic Park will be even over 80k).
It actually seems the number of 70k+ will rise very rapidly now.

As for all those great stadiums with 50k+ like Lille, Istambul or Warsaw : I really don't think they will miss out that much on the change. As much as CL final is importnat, most fans don't really remember 2 finals back. It's rather a "psychological" loss.
On the other hand- the number of 50k+ stadia is rising so fast, no wonder they made the final even more "elite".
ok, enough of this OT here :P

Actually Allinaz Arena has got a capacity of 72.662, but city only allows 69.901

72.662 seated or with terraces?

Seated 72.622.

GS should expand his new stadium in 10-15 years :D

Allianz 72 622 is not seated!!!

Germany permits to have stands places like Schalke04 or Dortmund.

This 72622 is surrestimated because it's not take account the obligation to have all places seated in european or international matches configuration

Take the exemple of Lille: if this stands places are allowed the stadium will surpass 60000 places!!
it is the same for every stadiums on this earth!!

Then, don't take seriously this configuration because it's not allowed in international configuration!!!

No.
There are 72.622 SEATS installed in the Allianz Arena. But only 66.901 can be used during EC games and at Bundesliga they have terraces (69.901)

At the ticketshop it is visible
http://tickets.fcbayern.de/internetverkauf/IF04.aspx

http://aycu08.webshots.com/image/43407/2001122295446036095_rs.jpg

Red = sold
blue = seat in your Shopping cart
BLACK = locked
green = free
etc

So why are these black seats locked? I don't get it.

The city doesnt allow more people in because of "health and safety" reasons I suppose.
Ridiculous as always. They should have a look at OT and how many people they cram in there without having any problems.

Actually Munih city allowed only a max capacity of 66.000 (safety, traffic etc.)
But Bayern wanted to increase and i think 6 months later it was rised up to 69.901 (Bayern insist to write only 69.000.).
A guy from Stadionwelt counted all seats for each blok.

sercan--> are u really sure?? because i've never heard this story of 72 k seats??!! :nuts:

i'm surprised.

Uh! They awarded 5 stars to Camp Nou! That makes the five star rating officially a joke! The stadium is big ok but comfy not at all and I mean at all it is still pretty much being renovated, some seats are old really old, even if it rarely rains in Barcelona when it does you get soaked...

and the list:

Allemagne AOL Arena (Hambourg) • Olympiastadion (Berlin) • Olympiastadion (Munich) • Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) • Veltins-Arena (Gelsenkirchen)
Angleterre Old Trafford (Manchester) • Wembley (Londres)
Autriche Ernst Happel (Vienne)
Écosse Hampden Park (Glasgow) • Ibrox Stadium (Glasgow)
Espagne Camp Nou (Barcelone) • Olympique de Montjuic (Barcelone) • Olympique (Séville) • Vicente Calderon (Madrid) • Santiago Bernabéu (Madrid)
France Stade de France (Paris/Saint-Denis)
Grèce Olympikos (Athènes)
Italie San Siro (Milan) • Olimpico (Rome)
Pays de Galles Millennium Stadium (Cardiff)
Pays-Bas ArenA (Amsterdam) • Feyenoord (Rotterdam)
Portugal Da Luz (Lisbonne) • Do Dragão (Porto) • José Alvalade (Lisbonne)
Russie Loujniki (Moscou)
Turquie Fenerbahçe Şükrü Saracoğlu (Istanbul) • Olympique Atatürk (Istanbul)

This list is a joke

which ones don't deserve it?

which ones don't deserve it?

Only these earn a 5 star:

Olympiastadion (Munich) • Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) • Veltins-Arena (Gelsenkirchen)• Old Trafford (Manchester) • Wembley (Londres)•
Olympique de Montjuic (Barcelone) • Olympique (Séville) • Stade de France (Paris/Saint-Denis)• Olympikos (Athènes)• Millennium Stadium (Cardiff)• ArenA (Amsterdam)• Portugal Da Luz (Lisbonne) • Do Dragão (Porto) • José Alvalade (Lisbonne)

Why not the Emirates Stadium in LDN :dunno:

UEFA and FIFA are ones of the more stupid organization on that earth you know..

Video assistance is the best example of that!

Only these earn a 5 star:

Olympiastadion (Munich) • Signal Iduna Park (Dortmund) • Veltins-Arena (Gelsenkirchen)• Old Trafford (Manchester) • Wembley (Londres)•
Olympique de Montjuic (Barcelone) • Olympique (Séville) • Stade de France (Paris/Saint-Denis)• Olympikos (Athènes)• Millennium Stadium (Cardiff)• ArenA (Amsterdam)• Portugal Da Luz (Lisbonne) • Do Dragão (Porto) • José Alvalade (Lisbonne)

Why not the Emirates Stadium in LDN :dunno:

What is your list based on?
Why do you f.e. include Olympic stadiums in Munich or Barcelona and not Santiago Bernabeu?

What is your list based on?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:UEFA_5_star_stadiums

Why do you f.e. include Olympic stadiums in Munich or Barcelona and not Santiago Bernabeu?

To become an UEFA 5 star stadium first of all you need to fulfil all the criteria. After that the owners of the stadium have to make a bid for an european cup (CL ou UEFA Cup) final.

This doesn't mean that the stadiums on the list are the best ones in Europe.

^^ I was talking about De Snor's list, not the official one.

What is your list based on?
Why do you f.e. include Olympic stadiums in Munich or Barcelona and not Santiago Bernabeu?

My list is based on this :I do prefer esthetics in football stadiums.
The Camp Nou & Bernabeu stadiums may be huge and very impressive but there are nothing else than a concrete bowls imo.
The Olympic stadiums of Montjuic & Munich are pearls of architecture.

^^ I was talking about De Snor's list, not the official one.

Oh s...! I thought they were all there! Baka Aka!!! :bash:

^^ I think aesthetics shouldn't be considered by the UEFA, since everyone has a different understanding of it.
For me f.e. the facade of the Bernabeu is one of the nicest of any football stadium I know:
http://netfactory.dk/gallery/d/6189-2/madrid_0074_1.jpg

Btw: If I remember correctly Emirates is not a 5* stadium yet because it didn't bid for a european final so far.

sercan--> are u really sure?? because i've never heard this story of 72 k seats??!! :nuts:

i'm surprised.
As i correctly remember (maybe german Stadionwelt forum users would know it better), even the Bayern fans thought capacity would be 66.000.
After seeing the empty seats during sold out matches and the black seats a discussion started and they started to count all seats for each blok. It took some weeks, because some bloks were sold out, so you could not open the page etc.

Btw: If I remember correctly Emirates is not a 5* stadium yet because it didn't bid for a european final so far.

Yes, but not exactly- it is bidding now for the CL final for 2010 or 2011 (just like Wembley or Allianz who are not on the list), but I don't think they will give them stars anyway since UEFA decided to withdraw the whole system.
De Snor- making the ranking based on aesthetics would be a suicide. Who is to judge this??? While infrastructure is objective criteria, without the involvement of emotions and taste.

Shouldn't we get back to Lille? :)
Maybe someone should start an official UEFA requirements thread if it gets so much interest yet again.

Shouldn't we get back to Lille? :)
.


Is it sarcastic??

And you don't have to bid for a final to be 5 star rated!!
Santiago bernabeu didn't host a final and they are already 5 stars

New Wembley too!

As Michal said, i think those stars thing is dead. Stadiums aren't hotels, so they do not need it.
Every new stadium is modern enough to host a final. There is only a capacity criteria.

Axelferis, do you know the distance between stands and pitch?

not for the moment!

I'm waitig for the lille club and the achitect to launch the official file describing all the characteristics like for lyon :)

Is it sarcastic??

And you don't have to bid for a final to be 5 star rated!!
Santiago bernabeu didn't host a final and they are already 5 stars

New Wembley too!

No, it wasn't sarcastic. The CL final thing is kind of OT ;)
But I have to disagree with you: you have to bid for a final to have stars. Bidding doesn't mean a stadium wins and hosts a final, so that might explain why Bernabeu has 5 stars even if they never hosted one.
What about New Wembley?

And I agree with Sercan- capacity is actually the thing here. From what I know some stadiums which were on the 4/5 star list didn't actually fullful some of the criteria (Anfield, Old Traford- the pitch is way too close) and still got the stars.
Plus, I recall publicly said words of UEFA officials that Lansdowne Road and Wembley will of course be given a final soon after completion (both stadiums are bidding right now and have high chances as they have been shortlisted). Meanwhile, both these stadiums don't fullfil the parking space requirements.
So I think it never was really respected in 100%- more depending on the bidding procedure to the finals.

There was an item on the new stadium in the news of our regional tv channel here in West-Flanders, Belgium. Reason: Kortrijk (or Courtrai in French) is just across the border but practically part of the bigger urban area of Lille, as is Mouscron in Wallonia, the French speaking part of Belgium. I believe there exists some kind of cross-border cooperation. The mayor of Kortrijk even proposed using the new stadium (occasionally?) for KV Kortrijk and Excelsior Mouscron...

There was an item on the new stadium in the news of our regional tv channel here in West-Flanders, Belgium. Reason: Kortrijk (or Courtrai in French) is just across the border but practically part of the bigger urban area of Lille, as is Mouscron in Wallonia, the French speaking part of Belgium. I believe there exists some kind of cross-border cooperation. The mayor of Kortrijk even proposed using the new stadium (occasionally?) for KV Kortrijk and Excelsior Mouscron...

If it is possible, I think it is a good idea!
And Belgians could also pay for the stadium!

If it is possible, I think it is a good idea!
And Belgians could also pay for the stadium!Makes sense, but only those clubs, thank you. The rest of Belgium already has plenty of stadium projects they will need the money for.

know that because Lille and Kortikj have signed creation of a formal structure "Eurometropole" which enables to define some orientations and choices for the both area!

This stadium question was interesting the Burgmester of tournai (kortrijk) to enable belgian clubs to use it .

But i don't know how can they use it?? You need a special event like champion's league or an indoor arena event like basket...
i think it 'would rather a dream than a concrete reality.

know that because Lille and Kortikj have signed creation of a formal structure "Eurometropole" which enables to define some orientations and choices for the both area!

This stadium question was interesting the Burgmester of tournai (kortrijk) to enable belgian clubs to use it .

But i don't know how can they use it?? You need a special event like champion's league or an indoor arena event like basket...
i think it 'would rather a dream than a concrete reality.It would be waaaaaaay to big for Kortrijk or Mouscron. For the moment Kortrijk could use a renovation of the stand that is now sealed off due to security reasons, when they promote to the first division (they have been on top of the second division for a while now). Mouscron can't even get their 12.000cap stadium half filled. Zulte-Waregem is already planning a transformation and expansion of their stadium in the near future. And the other teams from the region, Harelbeke and Tournai, don't need it either. If the event would occur that Kortrijk or Mouscron qualify for the Champions League, then they could use it. If I'm not mistaking the stadium in Villeneuve d'Ascq has already been used once by a Belgian club?

In case of qualification for the UEFA Cup I think the soon to be expanded Regenboogstadion of Zulte-Waregem would be sufficient.

Makes sense, but only those clubs, thank you. The rest of Belgium already has plenty of stadium projects they will need the money for.

Of course.

@ axelferis , why is LOSC playing its game against OL in the Stade de France at Saint-Denis on March 1st?

@ axelferis , why is LOSC playing its game against OL in the Stade de France at Saint-Denis on March 1st?

Because it is the 10 years of Stade de France!
And the consortium managing the stade has decided to invite every actor wich held at least one time an event there to play and participate to this 10years celebrations

Lille played champion's league in 2005 at Stade de france! (and they beat them :lol: )

Clear?

And i bought two tickets to assist this event march 1st with my girlfriend :)
i'll post some pics of stade de france at this moment. Tere will be a lot of animations before and after!

My ticket:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3632/p1010130mediumbm3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lille played champion's league in 2005 at Stade de france! (and they beat them :lol: )

Who're you mentioning? Manchester United?

Who're you mentioning? Manchester United?

They beat Manchester 1-0
Draw with Benfica and Villareal

i've just read that indoor small "box of spectacles" is 6325 exactly! (not 6000)
thus 6325+25000= 31625 seats arena mode!

i've just read that indoor small "box of spectacles" is 6325 exactly! (not 6000)
thus 6325+25000= 31625 seats arena mode!

That's just ridiculously big!:bash:

In terme of sport, it maybe too big for what we could call an ordinary game.

But imagine a NBA exhibition game, a davis cup leg, a tennis masters or something that big. The 31.000 arena would be sold out

For concert, the stage would block about third of the seats available and, whit people standing in front of it, I don't think the 20/22.000 seats arena would be too big for famous bands like Placebo, Depeche mode or the Cure that while very popular in France are not loved enough to have "pay your seat" concerts in stadiums.

In terme of sport, it maybe too big for what we could call an ordinary game.

But imagine a NBA exhibition game, a davis cup leg, a tennis masters or something that big. The 31.000 arena would be sold out

For concert, the stage would block about third of the seats available and, whit people standing in front of it, I don't think the 20/22.000 seats arena would be too big for famous bands like Placebo, Depeche mode or the Cure that while very popular in France are not loved enough to have "pay your seat" concerts in stadiums.

It's a roofed stadium if you're planning to play in front of 30000 why don't you play in front of 50000!!!! Not that big of a difference!

and don't remember Belgium is near lille!!!! such concerts would obviously sold out!!!

It's a roofed stadium if you're planning to play in front of 30000 why don't you play in front of 50000!!!! Not that big of a difference!

There's no way you can play in front of 30.000 in arena mode, too much seats would be blocked by the stage. And concert with the stage in the middle of the floor are not too frequent and too pleasant (some artist dislike it and from the audience stand point, it's disturbing to have the singer turning his back from you half of the time).
I agree with you that's its better to do a stadium concert that a 30.000 arena "stage in the center" one, but only in this case.

For "pay your seat" concert :
I think that bands that usually play in front of audience of 20.000 people max for the french leg of their tour could afford to play in a 30.000 seats arena but not in a 50.000 stadium.
That's marketing. Bands are surrounded by marketer that know the exact kind of place their "client" can fill for a concert. I think the gap between 30.000 and 50.000 is too huge.
For free concert, that's of course another story.

Then, If, let's say, Depeche mode had 2 dates in the arena mode, it would be more interesting for them, from everyside of the problem, to hold one gig in the stadium configuration...
But at this time, who do you think would be charged for the cost of the change of configuration?

Vilak-> Don't agree with you
It depends on what sort of artist coming essentially
Big international star very very demanded and if he want to be surrounded , we could approach the 29000 or 30k people because seats of the "spectacle box" could be retracted from one side (the removable)

And you could add those seat we can see in every concert.
Some artist like last Timberlake tour, like to be surrounded and don't wan a big gap with the public.

I'm sure if this concert was attending today and if this stadium was there, 30000 places would sell like pancakes!!

I prefer to wait when this stadium will exist what sort of different configurations they will propose!!

Hm... The overal design is nice, however the segment of the roof that will retract does not seem to fit the stadium, they could have at least matched th colour. :) But overlall i like it, not Lyon but nice.

i wait final renders because sometimes roof seem well suited like in this pic:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6125/final2ls2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

then i prefer waiting...

But i think now that this project is superior than Lyon project. It's not favoritism. when you are inside you feel all the possibilities of this amazing sport tool.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3308/final10gn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7380/final12tf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7039/final14bi0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6973/final18xx4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lyon is great, nicer design but classical...

And last , if i was a student in photography, i would prefer take pics with Lille stadium because it's a very very simple forms model than Lyon. Then it is more suitable for this art. You'll see i'm right saying this when the two stadiums are ready! :okay:

Axelferis :
You said it depend on the kind of artist and you're right, that's why I talked about bands the range of thone ones I named, those who can't file a stadium in France.

You talk about a mode that I didn't yet saw described, are you sure it's something included in the project or do you just think that this is something easily reachable with the configuration of the box of spectacle?

Axelferis :
You said it depend on the kind of artist and you're right, that's why I talked about bands the range of thone ones I named, those who can't file a stadium in France.

You talk about a mode that I didn't yet saw described, are you sure it's something included in the project or do you just think that this is something easily reachable with the configuration of the box of spectacle?


look at the video again you'll see that the "box of spectables" has got a range of removable seats (the only):

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=QF_5cyYHUT4

It looks indeed smart.

I still don't buy the thing! Not for mega concert and not or mega indoor sport event.

I explain why! How many group/singer do you know can fill up a 30000 seater and not a 50000 seater? Give me one name, just one! As you said this is Lille, a city close to Belgium Luxembourg, Germany and the UK and even the Netherlands.

Indoor sport event, so question! How many times have you been to an american style arena? Believe me, you go to MSG in NY or the Bell in MTL. from the third or fourth ring up top you see the ball and the puck ok. But from the Alamo dome in San Antonio you see pretty much shit: no ball, no puck, you just enjoy the atmosphere. Not that I'm blind or anything, just that you're going to be so high up that you won't hear or see most of the ongoing action.

Don't get me wrong I like the concept of the stadium it's clever! This stadium is going to the iconic statement that Lille needs. But the mega arena configuration I just don't buy it.

I still don't buy the thing! Not for mega concert and not or mega indoor sport event.


Indoor sport event, so question! How many times have you been to an american style arena? Believe me, you go to MSG in NY or the Bell in MTL. from the third or fourth ring up top you see the ball and the puck ok. But from the Alamo dome in San Antonio you see pretty much shit: no ball, no puck, you just enjoy the atmosphere. Not that I'm blind or anything, just that you're going to be so high up that you won't hear or see most of the ongoing action.

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I may agree with you.

[QUOTE=Neda Say;18553617]I explain why! How many group/singer do you know can fill up a 30000 seater and not a 50000 seater? Give me one name, just one! As you said this is Lille, a city close to Belgium Luxembourg, Germany and the UK and even the Netherlands. [QUOTE=Neda Say;18553617]

I don't understand what you are trying to explain.

I still don't buy the thing! Not for mega concert and not or mega indoor sport event.

I explain why! How many group/singer do you know can fill up a 30000 seater and not a 50000 seater? Give me one name, just one! As you said this is Lille, a city close to Belgium Luxembourg, Germany and the UK and even the Netherlands.


Don't get me wrong I like the concept of the stadium it's clever! This stadium is going to the iconic statement that Lille needs. But the mega arena configuration I just don't buy it.


I repeat artist like Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, and this sorta!!!!

Have you seen Timberlake tour at London O2 arena???? why don't you able to understand this???? it's easy :(

For everybody: London o2 is the new arena indoor: 22000 seats

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3640/02domelm1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Look at the place here on youtube:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=R4FGKYgp3Fw

and therewas last summer Timberlake performing in it!!And the concert was sold out!! then more than 22000 people!

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=4HatwjHoYR0&feature=related

Then do you understand when i say you that this type of concert is VERY VERY simply easy to produce when you have such infrastructures because some artist love arenas!!!!

And if this concert would have been here, i repeat one more time all the places would be sold out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Notice that public is very close the stage!!

and don't remember Belgium is near Lille!!!! such concerts would obviously sold out!!!

You got that right ,I only live 80 km north of Lille :)

Hm... The overal design is nice, however the segment of the roof that will retract does not seem to fit the stadium, they could have at least matched th colour. :) But overlall i like it, not Lyon but nice.

for the roof don't forget it have solar receptors! that's why this is this colour! :D

Okay Neda say.

I've been to the Bell, to MSG, to GM Place, to Bercy, to the Big O...! You fill 20000 ok! If you can fill 30000 for a show then you can fill 50000! Can Timberlake fill it, maybe he can, although he sucks on stage IMO! But again why not.As I said it's iconic, it's clever it's versatile... Really I have nothing against it. This hybrid mammoth configuration doesn't work for me as an indoor arena. As you'll be way to high up and to far back at the higher end of the fourth level.

But again I'm repeating myself guy and I don't feel like ruining your fun so please disregard this post if you please and move this thread on the next level.

ok o it's just you. Unable to admit people are right saying arena 30000 mode is possible.

Anyway next subject. :cheer:

ok o it's just you. Unable to admit people are right saying arena 30000 mode is possible.
I actually think Neda Say has the point here. You mentioned Justin or Beyonce as stars for a 30 000 arena. But why make it only 30 000 for stars like them if you can have 50 000? The O2 made a concert for 22 000, cause it cannot offer more. But the Lille dome will... So the question about "stars who fill 30k but not 50k" remains in my opinion.

i don't understand this indecent insistment!!!!!??? :ohno:

Just because those people and their managers aparently prefer arena between 20k -30k I can't understand. I'm sure you understand very well what i'm saying but you act like you don't!

20k or 30 k are possible and 50 k too :!!! Ask to their managers!! :rant:

i don't understand this indecent insistence!!!!!??? :ohno:

Just because those people and their managers apparently prefer arena between 20k -30k I can't understand. I'm sure you understand very well what i'm saying but you act like you don't!

20k or 30 k are possible and 50 k too :!!! Ask to their managers!! :rant:

Axelferis! We missed each others point. I'm ok with the 30000 seats for JT, Beyonce and other wannabe rock/popstars. it's ok for them and their managers it's all good!

I just don't buy the capacity for indoor sports event. Because this stadium is built for football game! the people who will buy cheap tickets to attend a sport event will be so high and so far back in the grand stand that they will see and hear pretty much nothing.

The reason for that is that arenas are built with more verticality in mind to allow most to have good sightlines from the highest stand. In order to have good sightlines using the indoor sports configuration, you'll need to be as close as can be to the "lowest part" of the highest grandstand. "IF" your seat is at the back of the highest grandstand then you'll see nothing! It's just a question of depth, perspective and sightlines. In my opinion only the first few row of the fourth level will be usable.

Once again as I said this is a great concept, iconic, correctly sized, technically brilliant...

Don't let me ruin your spirit it's great to see so much enthusiasm! I hope you'll enjoy your new jewel very soon I think it's going to be an amazing place for football and mega music shows.

Neda say--> no problemo! It's just i was't understanding this supposed "problem" of configurations?! :lol:

This stadium is beautiful and a comparison with old abandoned project Grimonprez jooris 2:

Grimonprez 2:
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4566/grimonprez5an1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9027/grimonprez4oj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1741/grimonprez3gb1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/848/grimonprez21dh6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9230/grimonprez22sb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

New stadium:
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3317/lillegrandstade05mediumhn1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8076/lillegrandstade10mediumce1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/4125/lillegrandstade03mediumzw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Anyone seen the rendering in the last issue of France Football about the new Lille stadium ?

i saw it!!!! :banana:
it much more fine that ones seen here!!!!
I was surprised how the stadium looked more sharpened

I hesitated to buy france football last friday!!
But what are doing the architect to not distribute such renders???

At GS they stopped to publish new renderings, because they still change some parts
Maybe the same ts at Lille?

A boring stadium in a boring city. The attendance of the club makes it silly with a big stadium like this. 20 – 25.000 would be enough. I doubt the stadium ever will be built.

:lol: boring stadium??? ha ha!!

If all the stadiums of this type are borng i say again and again!!! Yes i want such modern boring stadiums in every city!!!!


This stadium is wonderful (and a bit too small for me) . Modern,Roof retractable and for the first time an arena under the ground!!! :cheers:

Next euro in switzerland doesn't even have such arena!!! :lol:

Lille stadium is an example of the future. :cheers: Don't be jealous.

:lol: boring stadium??? ha ha!!
If all the stadiums of this type are borng i say again and again!!! Yes i want such modern boring stadiums in every city!!!!


Axelferis, "you don't have the sense of humour"!
(to say it in your own words...)

ok o it's just you. Unable to admit people are right saying arena 30000 mode is possible.

Anyway next subject. :cheer:


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I wish you nice discussions!

And...by the way...here is the comprehensive thread about French stadia development with a lot of interesting information from the last years:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=318820&page=12

:lol:

:lol: boring stadium??? ha ha!!

If all the stadiums of this type are borng i say again and again!!! Yes i want such modern boring stadiums in every city!!!!


This stadium is wonderful (and a bit too small for me) . Modern,Roof retractable and for the first time an arena under the ground!!! :cheers:

Next euro in switzerland doesn't even have such arena!!! :lol:

Lille stadium is an example of the future. :cheers: Don't be jealous.

Good
So go back to the Romanian thread and delete all the stupidities you wrote there. You manly criticised that stadium because it was not original enough. You actually admit that there are many stadiums like the one planned in Lille and that means according to you that it is an ugly stadium.

Personally I find both the Romanian stadium and the Lille stadium beautiful and exiting. Even though I can’t understand how a small club like Lille need a huge stadium like that.

how easy is it to get tickets in the current lille stadium? i shall be visiting the city in 5 days and want to go to the match on saturday but have no idea where i can get tickets, how much they are and if they are readily available!

official site:

http://losc.fr/

or you can go to the stadium directly to buy tickets! :)

personnally i never go to stadim nord because i don't like at all the wind,the rain,and snow!!!

A real Nice copy of the Allianz Arena.. :ohno:
Nothing new in this stadium..

explain please :)

The shape could remind allianz but it's not the case.
Here ther's a retrac roof.
The grass move to let a "box of spectacles"
What does it have in common with allianz?? :lol: