942 - 960 Hay Street and 33 Milligan Street, Perth

The proposal involves a development over three sites, being 33 Milligan Street which
currently accommodates a car rental building, 942 Hay Street which accommodates
the Melbourne Hotel and portion of 960 Hay Street which also accommodates a car
rental building. The Melbourne Hotel located on the site is a State Registered heritage building
constructed in 1897 with minor renovations undertaken in 1930 and 1965 and a
façade restoration and extensions undertaken in 1997. It is a three storey building
which is in good condition and considered to be a fine example of a gold rush hotel,
typical to the period.

It was therefore recommended that the Design Advisory Committee considers the
design and the awarding of bonus plot ratio for the refurbishment of the ‘Melbourne
Hotel’ and the construction of a 17 level office building with 58 car parking bays and 22 bike parking bays, at
942 (Lot 651) and part of 960 (Lots 200 and 552) Hay Street and 33 (Lot 650)
Milligan Street, Perth.


Latest Renders

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Old Renders
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Latest News

Melbourne Hotel to get a facelift
19th November 2008, The West Australian

A $30 million, 17-storey redevelopment of the old Melbourne Hotel was approved by Perth City Council last night.

An office tower will be built behind the heritage-listed hotel, which will undergo a $2.4 million refurbishment.

Newer buildings on the site will be demolished to make way for the office tower, designed by the Buchan Group. The building will feature sunprotecting metal blades and a glass wall with coloured patches.

On lower levels, some glass will be laminated with a pattern taken from the original hotel’s wrought-iron balustrade.

Almost 9500sqm of office space will be created, including three levels of parking.

The hotel redevelopment includes plans for a boutique hotel, bar, dining and function rooms and a bottle shop.


Original post

Hey Guys,

Not sure how much credibilty this has, but have been told in bits and pieces by someone who knows a few ppl at Saville.

Apparently plans are being submitted to council soon for a commercial tower with a height of up to 37 stories to be on this site. Because of the Heritage listing of the old melbourne hotel, the facade will stay, with the tower being built behind. Saville, the same company building Cap Square will be undertaking this project. AS it is only word of mouth, I cant gauruntee anything, nor do I have ANY more information. I reckon we give it a couple of months to see if anything comes of it, and if not delete the thread.

But this fucken excited me none the less...wont be able to see it from the south due to QV1, but from the east and parts of kings park it will be visable.

I thought match owned that site?

That would be awesome but it does seem like the block that Melbourne is on would have a bit enough footprint for a 37 storey job. Maybe if they grabbed the car rental place next door too.

includes budget

Fantasic news.
Can't wait for confirmations.

That's a nice hotel though... would be happier if they built this next door.

haha its not bad. i work the bar there. come in and have a beer sometime

This could be that one woodside are looking at. Would be a dream come true.

so does that mean that it could possible be 130m tall, that would be awesome. please be true.

commercial? office?
37st is looking at close to 200m?

well bhp was 204m to roof at 44 levels... so you would think perhaps 37st = 160m... maybe... i wouldn't have a clue

yer maybe 180

well what ever it is, it is awesome

haha its not bad. i work the bar there. come in and have a beer sometime

I have and will :)

It'd be great to get a nice tall tower that isn't on the Terrace. Awesome.

I had to eat a chicken parmagiana there without a knife and fork once because of the wierd liquor liscencing/smoking laws.

Apparently you could only have snacks in the bar and meals in the bistro section. Their definition of a snack is something you eat without a knife and fork. I wanted to eat my chicken parmagiana in the bar so the waitress would only let me have it in the bar if I ate it without a knife and fork cause then it's a snack apparently. :lol: I just whipped across the road to Matsuri and grabbed a plastic knife and fork. True story. :cheers:

includes budget

Rofl if this is true ive got bad news for the person looking to build a block on this side of milligan street.

So what would happen at Capital Square in terms of office space?

I had to eat a chicken parmagiana there without a knife and fork once because of the wierd liquor liscencing/smoking laws.

Apparently you could only have snacks in the bar and meals in the bistro section. Their definition of a snack is something you eat without a knife and fork. I wanted to eat my chicken parmagiana in the bar so the waitress would only let me have it in the bar if I ate it without a knife and fork cause then it's a snack apparently. :lol: I just whipped across the road to Matsuri and grabbed a plastic knife and fork. True story. :cheers:

hmmm i guess it depends when your eating...if its a friday afternoon then thats fair enough, cos its our busiest day of the week. other than that, you got a raw deal!

cant wait for something to come from council on this one!

Bankwest and the palace hotel were integrated beautifully so i see no reason to do the same with this, it adds character i think. this is a perfect spot for a 37 floor tower, in line with qv1 and ellement. I would be loving the fact it is hidden from a lot of angles, this is the kind of depth we want.

37 floors at the same floor heights as bishop see would put it at 164m roughly same as qv1, hopefully not as fat.

fuck I never expected a 37 floor monster on the north side of hay street.

I had to eat a chicken parmagiana there without a knife and fork once because of the wierd liquor liscencing/smoking laws.

Apparently you could only have snacks in the bar and meals in the bistro section. Their definition of a snack is something you eat without a knife and fork. I wanted to eat my chicken parmagiana in the bar so the waitress would only let me have it in the bar if I ate it without a knife and fork cause then it's a snack apparently. :lol: I just whipped across the road to Matsuri and grabbed a plastic knife and fork. True story. :cheers:

Fuck thats ridiculous. I hate our fucking laws.

Its all these stupid little laws, including trading laws, that just really make living in this city unbearable at times.

Bankwest and the palace hotel were integrated beautifully...
Really? I find the 'spikes' at the bottom to be quite vile...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7631/005736dyk5.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=005736dyk5.jpg)

...not to mention the fact that it doesn't operate as a hotel any more. Hopefully that will not be the case with the Melbourne.

are you kidding me
spikes = sex

The spikes may not be the "best"however it is the stark contrast of the old next to the new that I think provides the depth of character needed on a major city's streets.

So just like Palace/Bankwest, Wellington Building/Raine Square, the match apartments and now this, it all gives depth to Perth.

I would love the Bankwest/Palace Hotel integration if the Palace was still a hotel. Having it as a bank is like seeing a supermodel shagged by a fat slimy millionaire - sure she's still hot, but the passion for her has gone forever.

Yes the Bankwest/Palace Hotel development was highly criticized because of the closure of the Palace. It was a historic and popular CBD pub with suits. That had been operating since 1890, and prior to that was the site of an earlier pub, The Freemasons Hotel. It's closure and transfer to a bank branch just helped stingmatise the blandness of $t Georges Terrace with the lack of after hours life in the CBD. An image that it's still trying to shake.

I would love the Bankwest/Palace Hotel integration if the Palace was still a hotel. Having it as a bank is like seeing a supermodel shagged by a fat slimy millionaire - sure she's still hot, but the passion for her has gone forever.

True. I hope once BankWest's new HQ is built, they build a branch as part of the new building as well so they can vacate the palace and we could (I wish!) see it reinstated as a hotel....

I would love the Bankwest/Palace Hotel integration if the Palace was still a hotel. Having it as a bank is like seeing a supermodel shagged by a fat slimy millionaire - sure she's still hot, but the passion for her has gone forever.

lol.

apparently this looks like the previous version of raine square but taller, around 20-25st.

any renders :)?

Hmm the old version was a little fugly.. very uninspiring. Lets hope this one gets higher and thinner

Previous version of Raine Square was fat and horrible, please dont say that :)

25 levels would be fine, around 100-110m. Will provide nice height variation between ellement, qv1 and woodside.

Im really surprised that Bishops 2 cant secure a tenant yet this building of similar size is being proposed.

ok heres' the lowdown

was at work today (the melbourne) and the owners were having a meeting with some dude. thought nothing of it until i glanced across at the table and saw a render for the new proposal.
as dilaz says from the info i gave him when i was furiously texting people at work, it looks a little like the old raine square development...but taller. about as tall as woodside methinks. in fact, it almost appears as if it starts off skinnier at the bottom and gets fatter as you go up, but more than likely it was an optical illusion.

seeing this unfold today told me three things.

a) there is truth behind the rumour i heard
b) that a big company of some sort is tightening the screws on the owners of the melbourne to sell up and not get in the way of a new development
c) in the end, it will be the owners of the melbourne (asian family) that will decide the fate of this development

who are the players in this development? Saville and who else...

not sure dilaz. will need to do some serious snooping around to find out more. as i said, there was a meeting today..pretty informal over a coffee and some breakfast. it has to be saville, as thats where i first heard the news.

will there still be a pub there as part of the office tower? I can't imagine it getting approved without some sort of pub or venue.

thats another good point. they are keeping the old shell as it is heritage listed. as the bar doesnt take up much space they may be able to keep that and the cafe. but the boardrooms, the hotel rooms and the kitchen etc would all go, i think along with budget and the first car rental place along milligan

i would wet my pants for a render! :D

haha. i saw the renders today. i was almost going to ask the developer if i could have a copy of the render. but i rathered keeping my job for the time being

does the place have a cctv system? :)

we need those tapes lol.

the other car hire on milligan is hertz. i work with both budget and hertz on a daily basis, i could perhaps call the managers and ask if they have any plans to move, i may be able to get a working time frame.

yeh scaper. tha'td be much appreciated. lets get this worked out!
and the CCTV camera is right above where they wre sitting

hrmm i must say id be very dissapointed if the area lost the restaurant or bar or cafe.

Hopefully the developer would have sense and realise that theyd make a killing with more restaurants etc with so many residents office workers coming on soon

But wow, its great for this to come out of nowhere.

I still hope Bishops See gets up though

I walk past the melbourne everyday on the way to work...it would be so cool to have a new tallie going up here. Everytime I look at element when i leave work it makes me angry.

I would be so pissed off if the bar closed down. It would be a slap in the face and shows that even to this day Perth hasn't learned from it's mistakes. The bar is over 100 years old now which is a rare thing in Perth's CBD. Office towers, well they are a dime a dozen.

buildmeup. dont walk past. come in for a coffee on me one morning! monday tues and thurs im in there from 6am

Well they could better integrate the Melbourne into the office tower. Most of the Melbourne could be retained, after all the office entrance would surly be at the car hire location. Even better you could walk into the Melbourne Via the office tower plaza.

IMO the Melbourne should remained a enclosed building with door access only to the tower.

I might just have to do that :)

Will be out of the office this thurs tho. Do you do breakfast?

yeah mate. can order cooked meals or continental buffet... runs thru till 1030am

Maybe I'll have to come in for breakfast on monday then ;P

for some reason when i read what stadiumdesigner and dilaz wrote, i had a little voice speaking it in my head, in that whispering type of tone, like in the movies, when kids are hiding in the bushes and are creating secret plans to get revenge:)

hmm.

two big fat thumbs down for me... leave tha melbourne hotel alone, i wouldn't like to see a tower plonked over it. surely there is another location for a tower in this area...

The Melbourne is flanked by two of the shittiest rent-a-car buisnesses. Plus there plenty of even shittier buildings along Milligan street, WHY would they mess with The Melbourne?! Surely it would be cheaper and easier to develop next door!?



Ps. I'm taking you up on that free coffee stadiumdesigner. I frequent the Melb quite a bit ;-)

^^
I think stadium designer might lose his job with all the ppl coming in for free coffess. :D

haha. you pricks. just make sure its me that serves you, im the straight, young blonde guy behind the machine, not the older, gay guy with dark hair.

all i can say is, drink in moderation...i like my job!

The Melbourne is flanked by two of the shittiest rent-a-car buisnesses. Plus there plenty of even shittier buildings along Milligan street, WHY would they mess with The Melbourne?! Surely it would be cheaper and easier to develop next door!?

Next up we can build an office tower on top of His Majesties Theatre!

I just rung the manager of Budget and he knew all about it but refused to give me any details as he said it was all confidential.

GAME ON!!! :)

if this goes ahead, it's most likely to take in 4/5 adjacent lots...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/melbcornerhotel.jpg

Good because that car hire was just about one of the tackiest things in the CBD.

i'm all up for this now, if they do a curved building to compliment qv...

:cool:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1269/rimg1865du1.jpg

hmm.

two big fat thumbs down for me... leave tha melbourne hotel alone, i wouldn't like to see a tower plonked over it. surely there is another location for a tower in this area...

Couldnt agree more! Its a fantastic old building.. I think there are many benefits of keeping it there and building just down the street.. for one this building will not be seen from South Perth, it will make our skyline look more impressive if it was another site for a start.

I don't mind if they build ontop of the old building. I think it will enchance is character and besides, whilst it is a historic gem of Perth, it is small enough to build on top of.

Having said that, I don't mind if they drop the hotel use but keeping it as a pub and maintaining its size is a must for the city and I'm sure developers and the council will keep in with this.

do what they did with bankwest, set the tower back from the street and incorporate the old building, and keep it running as a pub

Couldnt agree more! Its a fantastic old building.. I think there are many benefits of keeping it there and building just down the street.. for one this building will not be seen from South Perth, it will make our skyline look more impressive if it was another site for a start.

Gone are the days when every building needs to be seen from Est Perth.
The majority of us on this forming are loving the development of our skyline view from the north (eg Raine sq, 140 will st).

...and its not the south perth view is remaining the same it will be so so different in a few yrs time.

Yes. This is an awesome opportunity if the neighbouring blocks are part of the deal. I reckon it would be good to keep the Melbourne too. Maybe they could incorporate into the new building like Rigbys in the Forrest Centre.

You sometimes have to allow this sort of development for heritage buildings such as this due to economics of maintaining them. A lot of old pubs in perth have been heritage listed leaving owners with uneconomic buildings that they can't afford to renovate, (renovating a heritage building can be horrendously expensive) and they can't redevelop.
In the end a lot of them have had "mysterious" fires which mean we all lose.

Hopefully this would deliver a positive outcome on both fronts since they do have to retain the heritage part.

More buildings going up in the northern skyline. Great news. It's what we've been waiting forever for.

You sometimes have to allow this sort of development for heritage buildings such as this due to economics of maintaining them. A lot of old pubs in perth have been heritage listed leaving owners with uneconomic buildings that they can't afford to renovate, (renovating a heritage building can be horrendously expensive) and they can't redevelop.
In the end a lot of them have had "mysterious" fires which mean we all lose.

The Melbourne is hardly run down or in need of a huge expensive renovation. It's an active boutique hotel and historic pub. And the hotel is quite popular.

http://www.wotif.com/hotel/View?hotel=W224&page=1&viewType=all

The Melbourne has been an advertising client of mine for 2 years. This year they mysteriously chose not to renew their advert, even though they had some good performance.

I can only now put this down to the fact the hotel component may be demolished next year, hence their winding back of advertising spending.

Does anyone know if this building is heritage listed because if so, there is your protection? If some high rise development does happen here I would guess the area behind the main heritage listed part is where the high rise will go.

Wouldn't they just keep the front facade, and demolish the rest? Use the old building as the entrance.

when you's say it looks like the old raine square design do you mean like this one...
well now that its been released i guess i can show these-
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or more like this one?
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http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1269/a101005busraine216cy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7751/a101005busraine416fg.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

because if it atleast 21st of either of those designs i will be happy.

but as for the melbourne, i reckon they should close the hotel but kepp the pub open and then open a resturant on the upper levels with enterance from the street and from within the tower which would be built on the back of the melbourne site and on the car hirer lots. and entry into the skyscraper would be from where the car lots were, so then the melbourne would retain more self importance rather than just being a lobby.

Wouldn't they just keep the front facade, and demolish the rest? Use the old building as the entrance.

No and argh what are you, stuck in the 1980s?!

HERITAGE COUNCIL OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Melbourne Hotel (fmr) is a fine example of the Federation Free Classical style of architecture as applied to hotel construction. The place has an eclectic use of decorative classical elements. The order and control of architectural detailing in the stucco-finished facades, and the cantilevered balcony at first floor level, produce an accomplished and confident expression of late nineteenth century building form. (Criteria 1.1, 1.2)
Melbourne Hotel (fmr) defines the corner of Milligan and Hay Streets and is a Perth landmark. (Criterion 1.3)

Melbourne Hotel (fmr) demonstrates the substantial growth that occurred in Perth during the gold rush period. (Criterion 2.1) Melbourne Hotel (fmr) has a close association with John de Baun, the first proprietor and an influential entrepreneur in the 1890s, who developed a portfolio of hotels during the gold boom to provide service and accommodation for the rapidly expanding Western Australian population. (Criterion 2.3)

Melbourne Hotel (fmr) is an example of a gold rush hotel built in the city in the late 1890s. Its almost unchanged external appearance is uncommon.

http://register.heritage.wa.gov.au/PDF_Files/M%20-%20A-D/Melbourne%20Hotel%20(P-AD).PDF

I really hope they don't demolish the Melbourne and keep the whole building and build onto the back of it or around it. Would be a shame to lose a place like that.

So Ipggi what does that mean exactly? That they can't tear it down?

Yep no chance in hell most of that building can be touched, perhaps maybe the back corner could be lopped off to complete a square tower.

docker. like the second one. but without the curvy bits. and taller

^^ oh, without the curvy bit it isn't as good.

and i was thinking if the original design is bad then going at recent rates there should be a good chance of redesign, think of it, raine sqr, capital sqr, city sqr, esplanade, elevations, criterion, and some others were all redesigned and only criterion turned out worst, so there is always hope of it getting redesigned and coming out better.

Lets see the first render before we even talk about redesigns, sheesh :)

i'm just saying that if it is a bad design it might get a redesign:)

have been getting information come through in bits and pieces
now the story is this

the melbourne hotel will stay. be updated, and extended length ways. more additional rooms will be added. the cafe will be extended, both on the bottom floor,and a new cafe on the first floor also added, apparently with a new bar... with big glass windows seperating inside and outside. the kitchen will take over one of the function rooms, the restaurant will extend into what is now the kitchen. there will be a 15 story office development on top.
to top all this off, there will be a skybridge linking QV1 and The Melbourne, presumably to the cafe/bar upstairs. $30 million for the upgrade

OMG!

A skybridge, hawt!

PS The westende is so hot right now (as if it wasnt already)

Thanks stadium designer, this changes everything :)

So probably will be 60-70m.

Might look alright being just a tad taller than Ellement. Im not sure I agree with extending the Melbourne's frontage, somehow im not too confident about their ability to integrate the old and new if they are going to try and replicate the original verandah's look.

Skybridge sounds good over Hay Street. Another interesting feature for the city.

This is the same grp i referred too. Has to be.

so its gone from 37 to 25 to 15?

Still, it sounds like a decent proposal that would be about 80m high and add some decent density.

Glad they are keeping the hotel and refurbing it too.

i said up to 37. and looked like 25. but in the end you cant tell fuck all from a render when youve seen it for .5 of a second. its just guesswork. looks good tho.

this is awesome news, id much prefer this with linkages like a skbridge and the melbourne being utilised than just a boring office building?

i wonder what tha tower will look like then...

: |

i think a combination of glass and concrete would look well right here... i really hope they go for sophistication in design...

woof.

This is great news, I've been waiting for developers to realise the potential of Milligan Street, its like a blank canvas at the moment :)

Stadiumdesigner, when you say 'extend The Melbourne lengthways' do you mean down Hay or down Milligan? BTW, Nice work. Keep pushing for details haha

Cheers for all the updates SD.

They must have Woodside in mind for this tower as it looks to be very similar in many aspects to Dynons Plaza which they were also eyeing off.

With the sky bridge what is the real point? There is already a bridge that links QVI to the QVI carpark right next door yeah?

Cheers for all the updates SD.

They must have Woodside in mind for this tower as it looks to be very similar in many aspects to Dynons Plaza which they were also eyeing off.

With the sky bridge what is the real point? There is already a bridge that links QVI to the QVI carpark right next door yeah?

well this one links tha bridge to melbourne hotel? it's prolly not gonnabe an enclosed bridge... tha only concern i'd have is tha bridge making tha area look crammed...

:p

Yeah I don't really see the point. Hay St is not really that busy down there. I think the extra people at street level street would be better.

That's unless they're aiming for a tennant who's already in QV1 and the skybridge was higher than the second level. That would be very nice. On that point anyone know of tennants in QV1 that might be after more space, maybe ConocoPhillips???

Shell.

hmmm...I don't know about the sky bridge either. I prefer the streetlevel to be activated by pedestrians.

whos house i gotta brake into to get a render!? :)

i will keep pushing for renders at work. will talk to reception staff, see if they have anything on pdf

the skybridge will be enclosed and will be from qv1 to the upstairs cafe at the melbourne. makes sense for both buildings, to avoid congestion downstairs in the melbourne hotel, and gets people quicker from A to B. this will end up being a very busy area for the eating with the 15 story and qv1

its defs being extended west, maybe also north. will fish for more info

16/01/2008 "MELBOURNE HOTEL"
942 Hay Street
PERTH WA 6000
13 Level Office Tower, 3
levels of parking and
heritage hotel.
30,000,000.00 DA 2008/2013

16/01/2008 "MELBOURNE HOTEL"
942 Hay Street
PERTH WA 6000
13 Level Office Tower, 3
levels of parking and
heritage hotel.
30,000,000.00 DA 2008/2013


nb sorry moderators, didnt realise there was already a thread

great, we will be lucky if this tops 60m.

Still, a new building will do wonders for this end of town.

Oh well, its all density.

13lv ontop of 3 lv hotel isn't too bad. Should be around 75m.

I got the impression the 13 levels would be behind the hotel, so 13 levels plus 3 levels carpark.

16/01/2008 "MELBOURNE HOTEL"
942 Hay Street
PERTH WA 6000
13 Level Office Tower, 3
levels of parking and
heritage hotel.
30,000,000.00 DA 2008/2013


nb sorry moderators, didnt realise there was already a thread

i reckon tha car park will be limited to one side of tha building with tha majority of hotel area being a podium and then tha tower set back so doesn't look cramped...

From WA Business News:

Melbourne Hotel earmarked for 13-storey office tower
24-January-08 by Emily Piesse

The Singapore-based owner of Hay Street's Melbourne Hotel has lodged a development application with the City of Perth to build a 13-storey office tower adjoining the heritage-listed building.

The $30 million project, comprising 10,000 square metres of A-Grade office space, is proposed to be built over two adjacent car rental sites - Budget Rent-A-Car and City Centre Car Rentals.

A four-level car park with 58 tenant parking bays will be built in the podium of the building, while about 40 rooms in the three-storey hotel have been pegged for refurbishment, with some to be demolished and new rooms to be built.

The proposal could not have been more timely for the hotel's owner, Oakesfield Pte Ltd, given the Perth CBD is experiencing its tightest office market in decades and A-Grade properties fetching $800/sqm.

Oakesfield Pte Ltd acquired a 50 per cent stake in the Budget site and purchased the City Centre site outright at the same time it bought the hotel in October 2006, according to Perth Cityscope.

The 3.5 star hotel has previously undergone refurbishments, which were completed in 2003 at a total cost of around $8 million.

Previous additions to the Hay Street façade are to be removed and a conservatory linking the hotel and office tower will be built.

The project, which is being undertaken by The Buchan Group and Design One Consultancy, is yet to receive approval from the City of Perth and the Heritage Council of WA.

Singapore-based Oakesfield Pte Ltd is directed by brothers Daniel and Richard Tan, who previously owned the Commodore Hotel.

expect an alluvion looking tower.

Should be 80m a substantial contribution to the Skyline from many angles.

Design could be anything Dilaz.
I don't think anything bold will eventuate from this; ill except that for sure.

expect an alluvion looking tower.

Which would be quite a decent addition to the west end in my opinion :)

Any glass tower here will make a massive impact given its surroundings of QV1, Stratton and Ellement. Should stand out nicely.

4.7m x 13 levels is 61.1m
3 x 4m for carpark is 12m
Plant and roof feature, perhaps another 7m.

So we will be spoiled if it gets to 80m. Not bad.

it'll be skinny... i hope they go all out on design... even if it's small...

Hey Guys,

Not sure how much credibilty this has, but have been told in bits and pieces by someone who knows a few ppl at Saville.

Apparently plans are being submitted to council soon for a commercial tower with a height of up to 37 stories to be on this site. Because of the Heritage listing of the old melbourne hotel, the facade will stay, with the tower being built behind. Saville, the same company building Cap Square will be undertaking this project. AS it is only word of mouth, I cant gauruntee anything, nor do I have ANY more information. I reckon we give it a couple of months to see if anything comes of it, and if not delete the thread.

But this fucken excited me none the less...wont be able to see it from the south due to QV1, but from the east and parts of kings park it will be visable.

so how did we end up with only 13st if it was up 37, or did originally just get the wrong info?

nah all i saw was a render, for half a second, and it looked pretty tall. probs the render wasnt accurate, but there wasnt much chance of me counting floors over the bosses shoulder. so to be safe i just went for around the same height as qv1.

in other news, the bar has had a total refurbishment, and the hotel is set to shut down in aug/sept for 3 months to complete the exterior work and refitting. tower should follow that

Awesome, even if it's only 13 floors..

yay for this area!

I need to go back to that japanese restaurant. Mat Suri is it? They did that semi-raw cold sliced beef dish so well. Whatever it's called. Beef Tataki?

yay for this area!

I need to go back to that japanese restaurant. Mat Suri is it? They did that semi-raw cold sliced beef dish so well. Whatever it's called. Beef Tataki?

Matsuri is great. I went there a couple of weeks ago, good looking at the people aroudn the intersection.
Good prices there too.
Also the whole ground floor area of QV1 looks great.

I have to disagree on matsuri. I know it's very popular and I used to go there quite often but it really went downhill for a while and I started to look elsewhere. If you want value for money and good sushi/sashimi I recommend Hanami at Mt Lawley. The service is hit and miss and it's better to book as it's quite small but the food is actually pretty damn good for the price.
I wouldn't bother with places like tsunami (apllecross) it's extremely overpriced and your just paying for the reputation more than anything.

Hanami is that place in the arcade, near IGA isn't it?
I used to go there when I was hungover, the food's ok, nothing great.
I went to Matsuri a few weeks ago, the raw salmon salad is quite nice.

I have to disagree on matsuri. I know it's very popular and I used to go there quite often but it really went downhill for a while and I started to look elsewhere. If you want value for money and good sushi/sashimi I recommend Hanami at Mt Lawley. The service is hit and miss and it's better to book as it's quite small but the food is actually pretty damn good for the price.
I wouldn't bother with places like tsunami (apllecross) it's extremely overpriced and your just paying for the reputation more than anything.

I don't care much for Matsuri either, its really geared towards the Woodside/QV1 lunch crowd. I certainly went there a lot back when I worked in that area. I used to get the impression the oil and gas crowd would take Japanese visitors there thinking they would like it, however a Japanese lady I spoke to said the food was too oily. Whatever.

Err yeah Melbourne Hotel... 13 storeys is a nice addition. Certainly an infinite improvement on the Budget Rentacar gaff with the rusty roof that Narrogin's main street would reject for being too primitive.

Sushi Station Fuji restaurant‎ in Vic Park.

Hanami is that place in the arcade, near IGA isn't it?
I used to go there when I was hungover, the food's ok, nothing great.
I went to Matsuri a few weeks ago, the raw salmon salad is quite nice.


You must be thinking of somewhere else. Hanami is up the road from where Red roosters used to be (towards inglewood) next to the cheesecake shop.

Oh yep, I know it. That place is pretty good. I was thinking of this pretty dodgy take away place that's in the arcade just down from IGA, where the tobacco place is, before the 24hr cafe.

I can't believe Ipggi hasn't demanded we take this conversation to spam yet.

Anyone know when renders might appear?

well can we get back to the topic of the melbourn hotel?

I'll see it when it goes to council in a month or two.

wabn

New tower earmarked for Grosvenor Hotel
11-June-08 by Emily Piesse

A new A-grade office tower pegged for Hay Street's Grosvenor Hotel site is set to become the latest in a string of office developments in East Perth, if approved by the relevant authorities.

The proposed building, which would sit adjacent to the hotel on the corner of Hay and Hill streets, contains 12,500 square metres of office space across 12 levels, plus two levels of basement parking.

The $48 million development would also include a new three-storey building and a refurbishment of the hotel.

To be called 'Grosvenor Square', the project is being advertised at a rent of $600/sqm to $650/sqm, although a development application is yet to be approved by the City of Perth.

It's the second new office tower planned for a hotel site in the CBD, following an application for a 13-storey building adjoining the Melbourne Hotel, lodged in January.

The project is yet to receive the go ahead, although the City of Perth's planning committee is expected to review it later this month.

The Grosvenor Hotel is owned by Morvale Investments Pty Ltd, which has multiple directors based in Claremont, Malaysia and Brunei.

It was classified by the National Trust in 1989 and has been marketed twice for a residential development, but failed to sell on either occasion.

The new building is expected to be completed in late 2010.

so later this month, we will finally see some renders, yeah, but still dissapointing it is only 13 st, oh well it is density... plus i guess if the structure is too large it might overwelm the hotel

This is to be 15st and 65m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/809.pdf

The proposal involves a development over three sites, being 33 Milligan Street which
currently accommodates a car rental building, 942 Hay Street which accommodates
the Melbourne Hotel and a portion of 960 Hay Street which also accommodates a car
rental building. The resulting site will comprise a total area of 2,324m2 with frontages
to Milligan Street of 51.17 metres and 43.56 metres to Hay Street.
The Melbourne Hotel located on the site is a state registered heritage building
constructed in 1897 with minor renovations undertaken in 1930 and 1965 and a
façade restoration and extensions undertaken in 1997. It is a three storey building
which is in good condition and considered to be a fine example of a gold rush hotel,
typical to the period.

DETAILS

The application involves the demolition of the building at 33 Milligan Street, portion of
the building at 960 Hay Street and the 1997 extension to the Melbourne Hotel. The
proposed development comprises smaller scale buildings to the street frontages,
including the restoration of the remaining Melbourne Hotel building, and a larger
scale office building to the rear.

The application proposes a plot ratio of 4.8:1, representing a plot ratio bonus of
1,859m2, being a bonus of 20%. The conservation of a heritage building on the site,
being the Melbourne Hotel, the provision of a public conservatory between the hotel
and the office building with a historical interpretative mural and the retention of
heritage views to the hotel are proposed in support of the bonus plot ratio.
Three storey buildings of a complementary scale to the hotel building will be
constructed adjacent to the hotel along a portion of the Hay Street frontage and along
the Milligan Street frontage. The ‘Melbourne Hotel’ is to be restored and the lower
scale portion of the development will be utilised as a boutique hotel with bar space,
dining, function rooms, a bottle shop and accommodation. The new building façade
will primarily comprise stone cladding and glazing. Details of the hotel buildings are
as follows:-

Basement Level: Plant and storage areas are provided at this level.

Ground Floor Level: This level is to accommodate a bar / bistro fronting
Hay Street, a front bar at the corner of Hay and
Milligan Streets and a lobby / reception area, a
restaurant, a bottle shop and a function room fronting
Milligan Street.

First Floor Level: Eighteen hotel rooms and a Sales and Manager’s
office are proposed at this level.

Second Floor Level: This level is to accommodate 20 hotel rooms.

The new Hay Street façade and the office building is to be separated from the
original hotel building by a conservatory, with a glazed roof 13 metres above ground
level. An interpretative heritage mural is to be provided along the eastern wall.
The office building to the rear of the site is to comprise 17 levels including 9,492m2 of
office space and three levels of car parking to accommodate 58 tenant car parking
bays. The building is set back five metres from Hay Street with this area proposed to
be clear of obstructions as a result of a legal agreement between the landowners.
This issue is discussed later in the report. Details of the office building are as
follows:-

Basement Level: A hotel administration office and plant are to be
provided at this level.

Ground Floor Level: The pedestrian entry and vehicular access to this
building will be gained at this level via Hay Street.
The level comprises the office foyer, vehicular
access, a service dock, kitchen area for the hotel,
bicycle storage and end of journey facilities.
Vehicular access to the remaining car rental building
on the property to the west will also be gained at this
level via the vehicular access way.

First Floor Level: This level accommodates 19 car parking bays, a
board room and business centre.

Second Floor Level: This level accommodates a gymnasium and 19 car
parking bays.

Third Floor Level: This level accommodates 20 car parking bays.

Fourth to Fifteenth Floor Level: These levels accommodate a total of 9,420m² of
office space.

The dominant façade of the office building will be the eastern façade which is canted
outwards and incorporates extensive metal sunscreen blade elements. The southern
façade comprises curtain wall glazing, the northern façade is fully glazed with
horizontal sun screening and the western façade is predominantly patterned pre-cast
concrete cladding.

The dominant façade of the office building will be the eastern façade which is cantedoutwards and incorporates extensive metal sunscreen blade elements.

interesting, i've seen some really great uses of blades/screens...

The southern
façade comprises curtain wall glazing, the northern façade is fully glazed with
horizontal sun screening

sounds like tha fascade on 140 william st...


and the western façade is predominantly patterned pre-cast
concrete cladding.

hiss.

This is to be 15st and 65m


The ‘Melbourne Hotel’ is to be restored and the lower
scale portion of the development will be utilised as a boutique hotel with bar space,
dining, function rooms, a bottle shop and accommodation. The new building façade
will primarily comprise stone cladding and glazing.

The new Hay Street façade and the office building is to be separated from the
original hotel building by a conservatory, with a glazed roof 13 metres above ground
level. An interpretative heritage mural is to be provided along the eastern wall.
The office building to the rear of the site is to comprise 17 levels including 9,492m2 of
office space and three levels of car parking to accommodate 58 tenant car parking
bays.



that said 17 levels, minus one for basement, that means 16 wouldn't it, do you not include the ground floor as a floor?

but what about the glass roof 13m above the conservatory:banana:

Yeh no kidding they say 17 but only give a floor run down to level 15. hmm.

i think plugging the street frontage holes on either side of the hotel will bring a good street vibe to the corner.

should be the same height as ellement996 so that wont stand out so much anymore. good good.

2m taller than Ellement

it would be nice to have that on top of the building, i think a building of that height would have some pretty nice views.

Hope the Design matches the A grade location. Now we want a new QV2 Design!

This is to be 15st and 65m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/809.pdf

The proposal involves a development over three sites, being 33 Milligan Street which currently accommodates a car rental building, 942 Hay Street which accommodates the Melbourne Hotel and a portion of 960 Hay Street which also accommodates a car rental building. The resulting site will comprise a total area of 2,324m2 with frontages to Milligan Street of 51.17 metres and 43.56 metres to Hay Street.
The Melbourne Hotel located on the site is a state registered heritage building
constructed in 1897 with minor renovations undertaken in 1930 and 1965 and a façade restoration and extensions undertaken in 1997. It is a three storey building which is in good condition and considered to be a fine example of a gold rush hotel, typical to the period.


This would stand much taller than 65m being on a hill then or is this measured at 65m hillside included?
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/Terrain.jpg

Would be nice to see it up as high as Element here
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/Hoteltower1.jpg
I can't see no. 942 but im presuming it is next to 960 as shown below:
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p300/IFB83/hoteltower.jpg

Geez, all those crappy car hire places and factories alongside the freeway in the above photo must surely be on the cards for demolition and resi/commercial developments.

Geez, all those crappy car hire places and factories alongside the freeway in the above photo must surely be on the cards for demolition and resi/commercial developments.

Yeah I got that from Whereis.com.au just yesterday, but it is a little old now that aerial. There are a few development sites now in Murray Street, there is an office block 8 stories I think under construction directly behind the Element 996, and the corner lot on Murray and Elder I think has a DA out at the moment. Both these sites should have info somewhere on this skyscrapercity site... I just can't remeber what the developments are called..

Elder Street Car Park was supposively asking for another level of parking I think. I was hoping when I heard about the DA for the site it would be to reduce the site and put something other than parking on the site.

The Elder street carpark is being upgraded to complement the parking needs of Perth Arena - its part of the same project.

I understand that it will be getting a significant exterior upgrade which will be pleasing to the eye and streetscape.

It will be completely demolished and replaced with a new structure with 1000+ bays

It will be completely demolished and replaced with a new structure with 1000+ bays

What is it currently now? Shouldn't they just build it to say 2000 bays, saves them upgrading it in the future. I guess it would be hell though on creating traffic jams if everyone was to leave all at once....:lol:

Those two storey houses along the front side of the Perth Arena with the gum trees out front look nice, is this heritage? or should this be a future prime development site?

^^ pg wrote that so he'll have to reply to you on that one ..

Found this in my random exploration of the interwebs...

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/i/2008/116/6/1/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d.jpg
fzd3d ('http://fzd3d.deviantart.com/')

looks nice!

what site you find it on?

looks nice!

what site you find it on?

Deviant Art, so I doubt it's accuracy. But the guy who did it has some good renders of other things in his portfolio... from malyasia too...

just thought it was interesting and posted it to share :)

Deviant Art, so I doubt it's accuracy. But the guy who did it has some good renders of other things in his portfolio... from malyasia too...

just thought it was interesting and posted it to share :)

Yeah thanks for that!

i like the cage part along the top! Would be awesome for building signage!

I'd be happy with that.

Found this in my random exploration of the interwebs...

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/i/2008/116/6/1/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d.jpg
fzd3d ('http://fzd3d.deviantart.com/')

er.

I think it could be totally accurate, it fits the specifications of what we know of the site exactly.

It feels like that side is about to fall onto the street though.

Basically I hate it, but I love getting new renders.

Cheers Alvse.

i like tha angled facade, but enclose tha metal framework in glass... it's a much better look...

tha glass on tha other sides should be broken up... otherwise it ends up looking a lot like sydney's blandness... it's a nice change up to what's in tha area, esp tha white concrete apartment behind...

otherwise a nice filler if this is tha building...

finally a good design. It shits on dynons plaza through and through.

I'd expect some revisions if thats an april render but its still yet to be approved by council.

i like tha angled facade, but enclose tha metal framework in glass... it's a much better look...

tha glass on tha other sides should be broken up... otherwise it ends up looking a lot like sydney's blandness... it's a nice change up to what's in tha area, esp tha white concrete apartment behind...

otherwise a nice filler if this is tha building...

maybe they are planning on growing some tomato vines on that framework.... natural sun shade and fresh vegeies :lol:

If it is actuate, its better than Element 996 or Dynons ;)

they should definitely enclose it with an indent.. creates a nice distinct massive panel, that looks like it's floating from tha main building...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/62/154111902_1af17fec20.jpg?v=0
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d-1.jpg

is that the SX development? I think alluvion will have similar glass.

is that the SX development? I think alluvion will have similar glass.

yer's it's sx, i like tha podium on that building... it's chunky. :p

^^ size queen


:lol:

Deviant Art...?

Not convinced yet. :P

not a bad render tho if it is a fakey...

maybe it's tha child of tha designer, posting pics where he shouldn't... hehe.

Maybe! I don't like this very much though. Without the slanty wall and exposed metal, it's It's just a woodside box. Needs more articulation. The metal grid under glass would look hot though, for sure.

Needs roof feature!

Amen, im sick of flat topped office towers, why should resi have all the fun?

For some reason I'm expecting this development to be cooler than 140William. I'm going to be really dissapointed if it doesn't totally blow me the fuck away.

This is clearly the render SD saw whilst he was at work... He described it exactly like this. I quite like it, nice filler.

that fits in exactly with what i was told and what i saw in my first post. where was it found?

SD: On Deviant Art, its a website which hosts digital art. Seems a little too good for an amateur i must say. Not too many amateurs would bother putting in the people, cars etc

Someone is so busted for letting this one out.

Something a bit more funky for this site would be good but I don't hate it.

Do we have any other angled facades in Perth? If so it's welcome. I agree with tayls about this - quite nice and a good filler.

Aw man. I was hoping for something more interesting. But yeah, Density ++

Found this in my random exploration of the interwebs...

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/i/2008/116/6/1/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d.jpg
fzd3d ('http://fzd3d.deviantart.com/')

gotta say, this looks a hell of a lot better than what i was expecting, but i agree with crave about the extra panel of glass and also something needs to be done to break up the other facades...

but that is awesome... i was expecting a blue glass version of telstra exchange

It's certainly a step up from some of the mediocrity we've come to expect. All the artists on here, let's tweak it with some improvements :)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4197/5starofficetowerbyfzd3dpm4.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5310/5starofficetowerbyfzd3dkc7.jpg

Love this design, interesting, but not so much that it clashes with the hotel underneath. Hopefully it's accurate.

I'm liking the design however I'm concerned about the west elevation - i see a blank concrete parapet wall coming on

:dance2:At least it’s better than a box

I'm liking the design however I'm concerned about the west elevation - i see a blank concrete parapet wall coming on

I'm not too concerned about the west elevation. I know I'm usually ultra cynical about this city however I think it's only a matter of time before something is built on the land next to this site which will cover the west elevation.

Isn't QV1's carpark on the western edge of that building?

Yeah, they can do something with that surely. I quite like the idea of the buildings that you see that have parking a few levels up from the ground like many apartments. You get the parking you need, some extra height and it doesn't stick out with ugliness from street level.

I noticed one of the new buildings in Osborne park has that... car park for the first few levels then building on top... it actually looks quiet good from the front... and adds nice height

All the artists on here, let's tweak it with some improvements :)
Just to finish it off, I added a Circular formation stretched out a bit over the top corner. Kept in line with the street corner . ..Kinda gives the building a better corner look eh? .:D
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3862/yyyyyju2.jpg
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http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/i/2008/116/6/1/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d.jpg

^^ A nice, subtle improvement I think.

One part of me says signage if the top part was extended - would that be out of character with the development? I'm undecided at the moment.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2704174148_06b0e5a7d0_o.jpg





am I the only one obsessed with having large format LED screens up on buidlings :lol:

Haha - as subtle as a brick to the head!

Now we're talking!

I'm liking the design however I'm concerned about the west elevation - i see a blank concrete parapet wall coming on

according to the council, the western facade will consist of multi-coloured precast panels.

according to the council, the western facade will consist of multi-coloured precast panels.

Is that like the lime green/brown/white color combos that keep popping up on a lot of developments around town? or is it something different?

In the west online

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=77&ContentID=87609

I saw it in the paper today. I wonder why the council wasnt happy with this design tho, which has made them come up with a new one "with the angle of the canted wall now less pronounced and the nine-storey box on the Hay Street frontage removed"

I didnt mind the angled wall.

You have more chance of getting through council in Perth the more box-like and uninspiring your development is.

that's true.

The councils planning department needs a complete overhaul imo. I will bring this up at a FP meeting to discuss it further.

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8087/5438087,20080828131605,p,600x800,Main@20Feature.jpg
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8087/5438087,20080828131605,p,600x800,Main@20Feature.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8087/5438087al1219893365.jpg
http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8087/5438087al1219893365.jpg

Prime Position CBD

960 Hay Street is strategically located in the heart of the CBD's "West End" area that forms the western gateway to the city. With neighboring buildings such as QV1 and Woodside Plaza, this highly desirable location provides excellent access to the central CBD, West Perth and all the major arterial roads out of the CBD.

Incorporating the well known heritage building - The Melbourne Hotel, the completed project will result in a stylish A grade building providing 12 large office floors ranging from 703sqm to 830sqm and a boutique hotel of 40 rooms complete with restaurants, function room and bar facilities.

The building is designed to meet 4 star Greenstar and 4.5 star ABGR rating and will offer high quality, column free, rectilinear office accommodation which maximises the city views and outlook. Outstanding mechanical and electrical services, tenant amenities and parking facilities will be available.

Areas Available - Approx 9400sqm Total
703sqm - 830 sqm Floor Plates (Approx)

Car Parking - 58 Secure @ $600-$700 per bay per month

Outgoings - Predicted to be $130/sqm approx + GST
(exclusive of Tenancy cleaning)

Description - To Be Constructed
- Expected Completion - 4th Quarter 2010
- "A Grade" Commercial Offices
- 17 Level Development

http://www.realcommercial.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=o&id=5438087&f=60&p=30&t=com&ty=&fmt=&header=&cc=&c=8513217&s=wa&snf=as&tm=1220259881

about $20 a day.

your sense of what is a lot of money will start to decrease as you get older perth4life. i can drop $4000 on a bill now and not even be phased.

$20 a day is nothing to a lot of office workers on a $60 000 package. their employer will pick up the tab.

jesus fucking christ


Car Parking - 58 Secure @ $600-$700 per bay per month

about $20 a day.

your sense of what is a lot of money will start to decrease as you get older perth4life. i can drop $4000 on a bill now and not even be phased.

$20 a day is nothing to a lot of office workers on a $60 000 package. their employer will pick up the tab.

yeh but you add that onto petrol (driving from the burbs about $10 a day) and it's $30 just to get to work and back, when it would cost you what $8 or so there and back on the train?

I hardly drive anywhere at all and my wallet is constantly getting raped for petrol money.

about $20 a day.

your sense of what is a lot of money will start to decrease as you get older perth4life. i can drop $4000 on a bill now and not even be phased.

$20 a day is nothing to a lot of office workers on a $60 000 package. their employer will pick up the tab.

Actually
A) there is no way these bays would be allocated by the companies to lower level staff (ie staff on $60k). There is a ratio of around 1 bay per 170sqm so essentially each floor plate will only have around 5 bays so only senior positions will be getting those bays.

B)$150/week ie $7.5k a year is close to 20% of someone's pay after tax, super etc etc if they are on 60K, which is a fair whack actually. If someone is on 60k i can assure u that there is no way they can afford the price of bays in the city nowadays. Bays have jumped from around $200-$300 (for PCC parking as well as places like the Novotel) to figures like what has just been quoted for this development, and people who have to drive for work are being belted at the moment. The full effect of this hasnt been felt yet as most people are paying the old prices, but once this happens we will see even more people move closer to the city or public transport.

I agree that Perth4Life's perspective re $$ can be askewed due to his age (eg being appalled at the price of a good burger), but in this case he is right about how expensive it is becoming if u drive into the city and park every day.

yeh that makes sense actually, i forgot that the lower salaries dont get the reserved spot. my bad.

considering that parking bays can be so profitable, i wonder why these projects dont have more levels of parking underground.

CoP has guidelines for the amount of parking each building is permitted, not sure how they decide the amount of bays though. So that restricts the size of the parking in a project

jesus fucking christ


Car Parking - 58 Secure @ $600-$700 per bay per month

It really isn't that much actually P4L, you're just young - wait 'til you start paying rent and bills, start buying groceries and funding you life entirely by your own means. Then you'll see how expensive life really is :)

Is that the v.2 render? Is it less 'slanty' than the original? Beware the evils of slantiness!

some places in australia have hourly rates for that much

speaking of hourly parking rates and spam.

i drove into mel cbd right. and here i am driving into tha fvckn joint and there's big signage displaying tha charges and fee time increments by tha boom-gate ticket dispenser... so i'm thinking sweet 10-20mins $3.00 i'm only gonna duck into tha herbal store next door...

so i get there and park thinking woo i'm not gonna get rained on. i go do my business and i come back to pay tha ticket and there's a massive sign near tha ticket machine saying "$10 flat rate per day"

i mean WTF!!!

i was gone for all of 8 mins... seriously.

i was so furious. if i didn't have to pick my partner from tha airport i would have written a letter.

btw suprise! it's spammmmmmmmmmm. lawl. sorry.

ok one thing a lot of people were worried about was the fact this might lose the angled facade on the eastern side, it appers to have remained but has been altered.

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1008.pdf

PROPOSED REFURBISHMENT OF THE
‘MELBOURNE HOTEL’ AND CONSTRUCTION OF A 17
LEVEL OFFICE BUILDING WITH 58 CAR PARKING
BAYS - REQUEST FOR BONUS PLOT RATIO - 942 (LOT 651) AND PART OF 960 (LOTS 200 AND 552)
HAY STREET AND 33 (LOT 650) MILLIGAN STREET,
PERTH


Response to Design Advisory Committee:

The applicant has undertaken the following design modifications and provided the
following additional information in response to the concerns raised by the Design
Advisory Committee at its meeting held on 29 May 2008:-

• The applicant has submitted a heritage impact assessment which outlines the
proposed works. In particular the assessment identifies that the 1996 Hay
Street façade replication is to be demolished and a basement barrel hoist on the
Milligan Street frontage and part of a duct enclosing wall to the upper floors
near the north west corner of the building are to be removed. The assessment
states that “the important heritage aspects of the 1897 building are retained in
the whole, and are retained in a corner setting, ensuring the existing character
to the street, with heritage values remaining undiminished.”

• While the applicant has maintained the same angle on the western façade more
detailed consideration has been given to its treatment. The detailing of the sun
screening has been refined and a delineated frame added with a clearer
separation between the lower buildings and the angled element provided.
Coloured glass spandrels have also been incorporated in the curtain wall
behind the screening to provide greater visual interest.

• Additional elevations and perspectives have been provided including further
details of the conservatory.

• Small windows and façade relief with patterning and a recessed band have
been incorporated into the western façade at levels 13 and 14. The remainder
of the façade is to be predominantly opaque patterned precast concrete
cladding with a small setback provided to the northern corner incorporating
glazing from levels five to 15.

• The façades of the ‘bookend’ infill buildings have been redesigned. They now
comprise predominantly glazing at ground floor level and masonry with
horizontally proportioned windows above. The façades at levels one and two
are overlaid with a white patterned laminated or toughened glass rain screen.
The patterning is derived from the 1897 wrought iron balustrades that decorate
the cantilevered first floor balconies on the original hotel building. The
horizontal proportioning of the windows is intended to contrast with the vertical
shape and size of the openings in the original hotel building. A glass canopy is
provided over the footpath at a height which matches the floor of the balconies
on the original hotel building.

• The applicant has redesigned the ground floor level of the infill building facing
Milligan Street to potentially enable connection of the conservatory space to the
site to the north when it is redeveloped.


CONCLUSION:

1. supports the revisions to the proposal in respect to the design and
materials proposed for the eastern façade of the office tower and the
design of the ‘bookend’ infill buildings, as raised by the Committee
at its meeting held on 29 May 2008;

2. supports the awarding of only 10% bonus plot ratio (or an additional
930m² of plot ratio floor area) being a total plot ratio of 4.4:1
equivalent to a total of 10,266m2 of plot ratio floor area, on the basis
of the retention and conservation of the heritage listed Melbourne
Hotel, noting the continuation of its use as a hotel, and for the
interpretative wall montage in the ‘public conservatory’ between the
hotel and the new tower;

3. advises that additional bonus plot ratio might be justified for the



development if sufficient details of the proposed conservation
works to the Melbourne Hotel (such as a conservation plan) are
submitted in order to assess the extent of works against the
performance guidelines of the Bonus Plot Ratio Policy; (it seems the council is suggesting that the tower could go taller if better plans are submitted)

4. does not consider that the public space and public view
considerations presented by the applicant satisfy the criteria for the
awarding of any bonus plot ratio;

5. requests the applicant to provide additional details of the materials,
colours and textured finishes of the blank western façade,
particularly the upper four to five floors that are likely to remain
visible over the long term;

6. considers that the design of the southern façade of the office tower
and the northern façade of the infill building on Milligan Street
requires further articulation.

The motion was put and carried

I doubt this will proceed any time soon.

I agree, would be fantastic if it did.. one of the few proposals with some decent architectural merit in my eyes

What is a spandrel? Anything with colour is a positive to break up the blandness of some of the glass facades around the place.

Overall, the changes do seem positive, I just hope the angle hasn't been reduced by too much.

A spandrel (less often spandril or splaundrel) is the space between two arches or between an arch and a rectangular enclosure.

I like colour too :)

Melbourne Hotel to get a facelift
19th November 2008, The West Australian

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/908/melbournehotelpk8.jpg

A $30 million, 17-storey redevelopment of the old Melbourne Hotel was approved by Perth City Council last night.

An office tower will be built behind the heritage-listed hotel, which will undergo a $2.4 million refurbishment.

Newer buildings on the site will be demolished to make way for the office tower, designed by the Buchan Group. The building will feature sunprotecting metal blades and a glass wall with coloured patches.

On lower levels, some glass will be laminated with a pattern taken from the original hotel’s wrought-iron balustrade.

Almost 9500sqm of office space will be created, including three levels of parking.

The hotel redevelopment includes plans for a boutique hotel, bar, dining and function rooms and a bottle shop.

yawn

One word: BORING!

piece of shit

you guys are terrible. I'm supposed to be the negative one on here. A few weeks ago we thought this was canned (it may still be), now we have something which looks reasonably good and will get rid of the old shitboxes surrounding the building and you're complaining?
It's not an architectural masterpiece but it's a reasonably good building that will add more density in the area.

Meh. Original render was much better, but at least it will be adding some density.

Remember the original render was taken from the otherside. Hopefully the front with the sloping bit looks a bit more decent. The laminated glass on the lower levels will make for an interesting view from street level as well.

I think 140 William St is as bold as we will be getting in Perth for a long time.

yeah its boaring but its something, like sammy says. Not every buildings going to be 200+ icon.

No way, it's actually worse than the Knoxville building. I see it but i don't beleive it.
Does anyone wan't a challenge, or to test themselves. To aim for exellence, this is not average it's far far worse.

What is the point of the council, scrap it. It's a useless organization.

yeah its boaring but its something, like sammy says. Not every buildings going to be 200+ icon.

Not every building? How about just one.

Nor should every building be small and boring.

what in hell!?!!!

this is beyond a joke right?

:S :S :S

tha "hanging" angle on this building was tha main seller.

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs26/i/2008/116/6/1/5_Star_Office_Tower_by_fzd3d.jpg

yeah its fucken bullshit. another blight on the poor performance of the pcc and not allowing anything with architectural merit into the city. lisa i hope your reading this. i really do.

Another missed opportunity. Dang.

*REASSESS CALMLY*

IT'S ONLY ONE PIC. IT COULD BE A BAD ANGLE...

i actually like tha kinda exposed looking structural supports visible from tha podium...

edit: any chance of getting other angles?

Calm Re-Assessment Complete:

Results:

Another missed opportunity. Dang.

Is that solid conrete to the sides, or glass?

sure it is boring... but if it had more colour ie condor like ;) maybe it would be a good addition to the city...

There's nothing really wrong with it, unless you start thinking about what might have been there if developers pursued their developments with more creativity.

get over it people. You're lucky perth is actually getting new bldgs in this climate. It's only some didgy pic from the paper. At least wait for some real renders.

Melbourne Hotel to get a facelift
19th November 2008, The West Australian

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/908/melbournehotelpk8.jpg

A $30 million, 17-storey redevelopment of the old Melbourne Hotel was approved by Perth City Council last night.

An office tower will be built behind the heritage-listed hotel, which will undergo a $2.4 million refurbishment.

Newer buildings on the site will be demolished to make way for the office tower, designed by the Buchan Group. The building will feature sunprotecting metal blades and a glass wall with coloured patches.

On lower levels, some glass will be laminated with a pattern taken from the original hotel’s wrought-iron balustrade.

Almost 9500sqm of office space will be created, including three levels of parking.

The hotel redevelopment includes plans for a boutique hotel, bar, dining and function rooms and a bottle shop.

The article makes it sound as though the iron handing off the side is still there. Although the 'glass wall with coloured patches' does NOT sound promising and VERY Perth :(

I just want to say a big F U to the design and advisory committee for nitpicking with what was a reasonable original proposal.

If I was incharge of the PCC, that committee would be rolled and replaced every two years.

I just want to say a big F U to the design and advisory committee for nitpicking with what was a reasonable original proposal.

If I was incharge of the PCC, that committee would be rolled and replaced every two years.

Agreed. FFS this is beyond a joke. Why do we always have to settle for mediocrity so that the committee has a sense of 'power' of the PRIVATE developers. Prime example is the 13 level greater union site.

Michael it would be great for FuturePerth to ask for original renders from the developers to keep as 'examples' of where prohibitive WA red tape has stifled unique development in the city.

all renders i've come across are stored to my removable HD as they will be valuable in the future.

Awww what happened to the exposed frame on the Eastern side? Thats what made the original proposal for me. Gone. WD Design advisory committee.

The only positives about this building is that it will mask some of the back of QV1 when viewed from northern angles while adding a little density to the area.

The only positives about this building is that it will mask some of the back of QV1 when viewed from northern angles while adding a little density to the area.

How is masking QV1 a good thing??

WOW, you guys are all paranoid,

have an actual close look to the right handside of the tower...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/908/melbournehotelpk8.jpg

you can clearly see that the furthest right panel of glass gets larger as it goes up, which shows that the slant is still there in the wall, they have simply decreased the angle as the council asked. and there is still some sort of protruding exterior part as well, this is just a bad angle that is all there is to it.
and we already knew that the wall facing the freeway was a concrete wall as the council was complaining about it, but it is likely to get covered up by a newer tower later anyway so it doesn't really matter anyway.

therefore i still like this tower.

exactly docker. Talk about shooting from the hip :)

we can all see tha angled over-hang... but it's hardly an overhang from tha original proposal...

would have been interesting.

tha podium entrance/facades could do with some more tweeking... you've got three almost non-consistent looks from heritage/pseudo-heritage screen/contemporary... and along tha way, tha setback throws it off...

I wasn't going to say anything but seriously this looks almost identical to the original yet its a bad render.

The angle may not be as pronounced from this view as opposed to the other.

And not to be rude or anything but seriously why are we crying over an angle? It doesn't make the building and if it does then its a poor building anyway.

this tower is a turd.

you're being melodramatic... its still better that Dynon's or Ellement996 ;)

Knoxville is way better than this. Id like to see the eastern facade treatment before posting anything further.

i wanna see that "curtain"

How is masking QV1 a good thing??

I'm not a fan of the rear of QV1 and at the moment we can see far too much of it.

so u would rather see this than qv1?

im very dissapointed that most of the hay st frontage will be lost, it is very much a continuation of the original facade.

http://register.heritage.wa.gov.au/JPG_Files/Pic506.jpg

here is pic of the hotel before the 1997 addition, you can see the frontage on hay is much shorter (it currently extends quite seemlessley to the edge of the budget site)

wow thats interesting. I had no idea the 1997 extension actually exended the orignial facade across seamlessly. Why the fuck would they want to remove it now?

to replace it with a shitbox of course

oh yeh that's right... why didn't they just buy out budget...

:p

We NEDD to get rid of Budget!!

what happened was they extended that part which created the cafe...it looks exactly the same, except its not heritage listed, hence why they can pull it down with no trouble

So we lose it simply because it's technically part of the "old building" despite the fact that all of the heritage aspects that have resulted in the original building being listed are present in the addition?

Have we learned nothing from the mistakes of the past?

It's almost analagous to the situation that would occur if someone were to build something new in the style of our great lost buildings somewhere else in the city and then 10 years later knock it down.

what happened was they extended that part which created the cafe...it looks exactly the same, except its not heritage listed, hence why they can pull it down with no trouble

in that case, fair enough.

sorry guys, can someone tell me what part of the 'old facade' is being pulled down. I can't make it out.

Wow, I had no idea that the building had been extended. I was standing across the road from it on Saturday night and would never have guessed, although perhaps it would be more obvious if I were looking for such details. I'll have to check it out again.

While I agree that there's no real 'need' (from a heritage perspective) to keep the extended facade, why get rid of it? Would doing so make construction of the tower easier (access etc.) or something?

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sorry guys, can someone tell me what part of the 'old facade' is being pulled down. I can't make it out.
Compare the two images in my post. See the white van in the right-hand image? The section west of that is not part of the original building (as shown in the left-hand pic). This is what will be pulled down.

all renders i've come across are stored to my removable HD as they will be valuable in the future.
Are you burning them to CD or DVD as well? I would highly recommend doing so if you aren't already. A second HD alone is not a reliable form of long-term backup.