Tuji mediji o Ljubljani

Članek o Ljubljani iz Avstralskega FairFax le prva stran od treh - link do celega članka
(http://www.theage.com.au/news/europe/loveable-ljubljana/2008/01/10/1199554819731.html)

January 13, 2008

It's hard to know what to think while being molested by two marauding dragons, both of whom want to dance with you. And that's the sort of thing that can happen in Ljubljana, it appears. A quiet stroll down the river bank and you're accosted by men in ridiculous costumes, intent on being photographed while you partake in an energetic jig together. Lord only knows what the chap cycling past on a pennyfarthing must think.

The Slovenian capital revels in a quiet eccentricity, particularly during summer, when it appears all the wannabe loons come out of the woodwork to make curiosities of themselves in public.

There is a possibility that this outpouring of mild wackiness is due to the summer festival. After all, there are jazz bands on street corners and jugglers dotted liberally around - but there's a sneaking suspicion that this passes for normality round these parts.

Among all the former East European capitals, Ljubljana is unique - and not just because it makes for an excellent Scrabble score (if you're allowing proper nouns). For a start the Slovenians would bristle at their proud little country being lumped in with Eastern Europe: it is most definitely central, thank you very much. It is above the Balkans, not part of them, and a fair stretch of historically Slovenian territory is now found in Italy and Austria.

Of all the countries that joined the European Union in its last great expansion, Slovenia was best placed, up to the point that many people considered it was better sitting on the outside like Switzerland, a country it is often compared to.

Still, join it did and the relatively callow nation immediately became a net financial contributor to the union, quickly replacing the tolar with the euro.

It is perhaps this relative prosperity that has saved Ljubljana from the curse of many other East European capitals - the stag party. Prague has long been overrun by men in comic team T-shirts, grunting and way-heying as they attempt to impress local women with formaldehyde-strength beer breath. Alas Tallinn, Bratislava and particularly Riga have followed suit. Money-flinging West Europeans flock to take advantage of cheap beer and local tourist industries willing to accept the cash-for-behaviour trade-off.

Ljubljana is mercifully untouched by semi-naked men tied to lampposts, drunks falling asleep in fountains and the soon-to-be-married going upstairs in strip bars. This is partly because the prices aren't quite as cheap. It's still possible to live like a king on a relatively small budget but the pound, euro or dollar won't go as far as it does further east.

Bedast članek:bash:

Bedast članek:bash:

ja:lol:

Se spomne kdo mogoče članka, mislim da je blo lani, ko so ameri napisali nevem kaka vsa priporočila za us državljane, ki nameravajo obiskat Slovenijo. Pisali so o nevarnostih okužbe z vodo, hrano pa na kaj se je potrebno cepiti...vglavnem, blo je smešno sam hkrati bedasto!

Ja se spomne - v Slovenijo it, je blu slabše kot v Kenijo (skoraj:ohno:)

V bistvu take bedastoče pišejo za vse evropske države. :bash:

Tale filmček se mi dopade: http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-au&brand=ninemsn&tab=m186&mediaid=111467&from=39&vid=69D322CB-295D-4B14-8211-DB89805177CC&playlist=videoByTag:mk:en-AU:vs:0:tag:aulifestyle_augetaway:ns:MSNVideo_Top_Cat:ps:10:sd:-1:ind:1:ff:8A (najprej se zavrti precej dolga reklama)

Izvira pa iz avstralije. :)

^ Ja, ql, edin muska je mal preveč naglas.

what a wonderful place on earth, I would say

Oglasna reportaža, ki gotovo prodaja - lepo predstavljeno

Članek o Ljubljani iz Avstralskega FairFax le prva stran od treh - link do celega članka
(http://www.theage.com.au/news/europe/loveable-ljubljana/2008/01/10/1199554819731.html)

January 13, 2008

It's hard to know what to think while being molested by two marauding dragons, both of whom want to dance with you. And that's the sort of thing that can happen in Ljubljana, it appears. A quiet stroll down the river bank and you're accosted by men in ridiculous costumes, intent on being photographed while you partake in an energetic jig together. Lord only knows what the chap cycling past on a pennyfarthing must think.

The Slovenian capital revels in a quiet eccentricity, particularly during summer, when it appears all the wannabe loons come out of the woodwork to make curiosities of themselves in public.

There is a possibility that this outpouring of mild wackiness is due to the summer festival. After all, there are jazz bands on street corners and jugglers dotted liberally around - but there's a sneaking suspicion that this passes for normality round these parts.

Among all the former East European capitals, Ljubljana is unique - and not just because it makes for an excellent Scrabble score (if you're allowing proper nouns). For a start the Slovenians would bristle at their proud little country being lumped in with Eastern Europe: it is most definitely central, thank you very much. It is above the Balkans, not part of them, and a fair stretch of historically Slovenian territory is now found in Italy and Austria.

Of all the countries that joined the European Union in its last great expansion, Slovenia was best placed, up to the point that many people considered it was better sitting on the outside like Switzerland, a country it is often compared to.

Still, join it did and the relatively callow nation immediately became a net financial contributor to the union, quickly replacing the tolar with the euro.

It is perhaps this relative prosperity that has saved Ljubljana from the curse of many other East European capitals - the stag party. Prague has long been overrun by men in comic team T-shirts, grunting and way-heying as they attempt to impress local women with formaldehyde-strength beer breath. Alas Tallinn, Bratislava and particularly Riga have followed suit. Money-flinging West Europeans flock to take advantage of cheap beer and local tourist industries willing to accept the cash-for-behaviour trade-off.

Ljubljana is mercifully untouched by semi-naked men tied to lampposts, drunks falling asleep in fountains and the soon-to-be-married going upstairs in strip bars. This is partly because the prices aren't quite as cheap. It's still possible to live like a king on a relatively small budget but the pound, euro or dollar won't go as far as it does further east.

POZABO SI DODAT ŠE 2 in 3 DEL:lol:

The second reason is the lack of cheap flights into the country. While much of the rest of Europe is bombarded with budget carriers, until recently Slovenia has been something of a black hole. This is beginning to change and it'll be interesting to see what happens to Ljubljana as a result.

In the meantime, enjoy. It's a wonderful city in which to go out for a few drinks in everything from skeleton-themed bars to converted military barracks. But without the table-thumping and vomit.

In this compact city with fewer than 300,000 residents, everything is centred around the Ljubljanica River. Terrace cafes and restaurants line the banks as people fight tooth and nail for the best stools: tall perches next to the tiny circular tables right on the edge of the water.

Many of the bridges have long since been colonised by artists and craftsmen offering anything from portraits to ceramics, all displayed on the paving slabs.

Looming over the town is the castle and once you've clambered up to it over steep paths you realise why so many people at the bottom are gasping for a drink. What is a fairly tough climb at any time becomes thoroughly difficult on a summer's day, but you can see way out above the city from the little park next to it. Unfortunately, this view also includes the funicular railway, which would have made getting up there in the first place far less strenuous.

On the other side of the river is the Park Tivoli, which seems to be home to just about everything. Aside from the usual accoutrements such as picnic lawns and basketball courts, it seems as though every conceivable interest is packed in, whether that's a radio studio or a chess club.

Also on the fringe is one of the world's strangest art galleries. Crammed among three other expensively furnished museums is the Museum of Modern Art. It's in a rather unloveable building; renovations are planned to improve the exhibition space.

In the period of limbo before the construction workers move in, however, it has been thrown open to anyone who fancies a pop at creating something. This means the current exhibition, which is possibly too strong a word for it, is a complete mish-mash called Every Man Is A Curator. Locals, schoolchildren, interested parties from abroad and struggling artists have all been allowed to have their say in what should be included. It appears as though they've just allowed everything in, trying to keep everyone happy, offering free entry until the powers that be finally get round to the building work.

Mercifully, this complete lack of running theme is what makes it so thoroughly engaging. A good 80 per cent of the exhibits are utterly mystifying: one man appears to have turned a room into a beach surrounded by climbing frames and boxes, while another artist has decided to place a couple of wheelchairs opposite a row of test tubes and left it at that. Then there's the music box with a big bar of chocolate placed on top for no apparent reason.

Most charming of the lot is a black-painted wall with a viewing hole at waist height and a tiny stool perched next to it, forcing visitors to either crouch or sit to have a look inside.

When they do, they are greeted by a herd of multi-coloured gnomes smiling back at them. Very Ljubljana.

TRIP NOTES

Getting there: Ljubljana is in central Slovenia. The nearest international flight hubs are Venice (four hours by train), Munich (61/2hours) and Vienna (six hours). For cheap connecting flights, London (with easyJet) and Brussels (with Wizz Air) are the best bets.

More information: The national tourist office website is helpful. See www.slovenia.info.

^^ bi je predolg - zato je na vrhu naveden link na celoten članek

Še en članek od NY Times o Sloveniji in Ljubljani, kjer nas PREhvali v vseh mogočih pogledih. Priporočam, da si ogledate.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE3D8113DF936A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

:cheers:

V novinarskem slogu malo pretirano, pri članku pa pogrešam vsaj malo slikico katerega od krajev, ki jih omenja.

V novinarskem slogu malo pretirano, pri članku pa pogrešam vsaj malo slikico katerega od krajev, ki jih omenja.

Če prebereš zadnji dodatek, opisuje, da so narobe pisali imena na slikah. Torej so v samem časniku ble slike:)

Še en članek od NY Times o Sloveniji in Ljubljani, kjer nas PREhvali v vseh mogočih pogledih. Priporočam, da si ogledate.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE3D8113DF936A3575BC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

:cheers:

kr lepo:cheers:, je pa star članek 2001..

Bi med igro monopolija "kupili" Ljubljano? (http://www.rtvslo.si/zabava/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews&op=sections&func=read&c_menu=1&c_id=32010):lol:

Britanski tabloid: Slovenci se radi slačijo

Pred kratkim se je po sončni strani Alp potepal novinar britanskega tabloida Sun. Slovenija ga je presenetila s svojimi naravnimi lepotami, Slovence pa označil za ljudi, ki se radi slačimo

Britanski tabloid The Sun se je v petek razpisal o Sloveniji in slovenskih letoviščih. Britanski novinar je namreč obiskal slovensko zdravilišče Terme Čatež in ugotovil, da se Slovenci zelo radi slačimo. Prav tako meni, da so Britanci po naravi drugačni od nas in zelo sramežljivi, ko se je potrebno sleči. Razen če nimajo izklesanega telesa kot slačifant Chippendalesov.

V Termah Čatež si je privoščil savno in rimsko-irsko kopeli in bil sprva zelo presenečen, saj se je moral popolnoma sleči, nato pa se je kopal v mrzlih in vročih bazenih. Kopanje je bilo po njegovem pisanju poživljajoče, celotna terapija z masažo pa zelo sproščujoča.

Sunov novinar še piše, da lahko starši pustijo otroke v vodnem parku, ki ponuja več kot Florida, prednost pa je tudi ta, da je cenejše leteti po Evropi, kot v ZDA.

"Slovenija je očarljiva"

"Slovenija očarljiva država, kjer je možno preživljati počitnice tako poleti kot pozimi," je zapisal. Omenil je še, da Angleži radi zahajajo tudi v Bohinj, smučajo pa v Kranjski Gori. Cene naših smučišč so po njegovih besedah konkurenčne drugim v Evropi, ceneje pa je le v Bolgariji.

Slovenijo tako po velikosti primerja z Walesom, kjer lahko preživite nekaj dni v hribih, nato pa se odpravite sproščat v zdravilišča. Članku pa so priložili tudi sliko blejskega jezera, ki so jo podpisali "Lepa... slovenska obala".

Finance (http://www.finance.si)

Še originalni članek:

Slovenia - the naked truth
By Paul Thompson

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Beautiful ... Slovenia coast

Published: 25 Apr 2008

HERE'S the naked truth - British men are shy when it comes to taking their kit off.

Unless of course, if you have the abs and pecs of a Chippendale stripper or the toned physique of soccer hero David Beckham. But even the England star would think twice about stripping down to his birthday suit in front of complete strangers. But that's the order of the day when you book in at Terme Catez, one of the most popular holiday destinations in Slovenia. Known as "The Thermal Riviera" because of its naturally warm waters,Terme Catez is a giant water park that boasts an impressive array of pools, slides, and other amenities aimed at pleasing families. But also on the site is a famed spa and leisure centre where adults can go to be pampered.

Spas used to the favourite bolt hole for the rich and famous - but not anymore. They have become increasingly popular with the more up market hotels the perfect place to idle away the stresses and strains on everyday life. Slovenia's top spa resort,however, is not for the faint hearted.

Strip

Forget about Scandinavians' reputation for getting naked - the Slovenians really like to strip. Those easily shocked should be warned there is a lot of flesh on show. Modesty, as well as swimming trunks, go out of the window as you join mixed sessions at the spa. For most people - even a hardened Sun reporter - it can come as much of a shock as the icy cold waters used in many of the treatments. One of the most popular treatments is to spend a few hours relaxing in the Roman-Irish baths.

Our party of six women and three men were ushered into the changing room and told to get undressed. While the females abandoned their clothes with haste, we males stood rooted to the spot,clinging to our clothes and looking for the nearest exit. Escape was out of the question and an assistant ordered us to strip, and pointed to the sauna. At least in here I hoped there would be towel. Wrong. Everything was as bare as the wooden benches. After five minutes any embarrassment quickly disappeared and it then became possible to to lie back and enjoy the treatment. After five minutes sweltering in the sauna we were directed to a plunge pool filled with freezing cold water. The screams and expletives from a Scot in our party as he sank beneath the freezing had spa staff fearing the worst.

After a spell in a hot water pool, then back into the icy water it became apparent the Roman-Irish treatment consisted of alternating in waters of different temperature. Why a Roman-Irish bath -- presumably, the hot water mirrored the heat of a steamy Rome afternoon while the cold, a damp,miserable day in Galway.

And so for the next hour we alternated between the hot and cold pools. It was certainly invigorating and after a gentle massage we were shown into a darkened room with beds shaped like an S. We were tightly wrapped in a several layers of towels and placed on individual beds. Wrapped so snugly I felt like a sausage roll, but once the lights were dimmed and soft piped music began playing I dropped off. The room was aptly called "The Relaxarium" and after the effect of the hot and cold water it certainly did the trick --leaving me more relaxed than I had felt in weeks.

Many of the Slovenia's top sportsmen and women are regulars at Terme Catez.

The Roman-Irish bath is just one of the treatments on offer at centre which is aimed at pampering and making its guests feel good. There are numerous health and therapeutic programmes with a team of skilled and friendly staff who all speak English and offering advice on what to choose.

While stressed out parents head for the spa, kids can enjoy the more active areas of the second largest tourist resort in Slovenia. The water parks is as impressive as anything Florida has to offer, with the big advantage being it costs much less to fly to Europe now so many "no frills airlines" are in business.

Terme Catez likes to boast summer never ends at their resort as the pool waters are heated to over 80 degrees during the winter months. There are also several indoors pools, as well as whirlpools and underwater massage pools. The main area includes a wave pool, giant slide and a toboggan run which are enough to keep the most energetic kid happy. Other outdoor activities include tennis, cycling, archery, horse riding and even angling.

Visitors have a choice of three hotels to stay in, ranging from the budget option at the Aqua Park hotel to the more luxurious Hotel Terme. Rooms are very comfortable with satellite TV and decent sized bathrooms.

The holiday centre, in the east of the country, also includes has own casino and is a good base to explore other parts of the country, including Castle Mokrice and the wine growing region of Bizeljsko.

Slovenia is a charming country which is able to offer both winter and summer holidays. It's most famous ski resort is Kransja Gora, although the Alpine lake resort of Bohinj is becoming increasingly popular with visitors from the UK.

Sited in the heart of the Julian Alps there are two ski resorts at Vogel and Kobla. Prices are among the most competitive of any ski resort in Europe, with only Bulgaria cheaper. As the country is so small, about the size of Wales, it is perfectly possible to spend a few days on the slopes before relaxing at Terme Catez to soothe away the stresses and strains of being on the piste.

Link: The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/travel/article1091230.ece)

A se meni samo zdi al je ta novinar res zamenjal bled za Slovensko obalo?:lol::lol:

no ja mogoče se je pa samo fino izrazu ker to res je coast ane...in njemu v prid lahko rečemo da bi lahko še huj napisu...seaside :)

Slovenija se predstavlja v reviji National Geographic Traveler

Ljubljana - Slovenija se s turistično ponudbo predstavlja v majsko-junijsko številki revije National Geographic Traveler, ki je bila izdana v 850.000 izvodih, od tega jih 738.907 prejmejo v ZDA.

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Ena ključnih predstavitev Slovenije na čezoceanskih trgih

Slovenija se v najbolj brani reviji s turistično vsebino predstavlja v posebni prilogi. Partnerja v projektu predstavitve 16-stranske priloge z uredniškimi prispevki s fotografijami sta poleg Slovenske turistične organizacije (STO) še urad vlade za komuniciranje ter ministrstvo za okolje in prostor.

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Izid številke sovpada z obiskom ameriškega predsednika Busha v Sloveniji

"Gre za zgodbo, ki se je začela že pred približno enim letom," je povedal direktor urada vlade za komuniciranje Anže Logar. V času priprav predsedovanja Slovenije EU so skupaj s STO iskali različne priložnosti za promocije Slovenije tako v EU kot ZDA. V promociji čez lužo so se odločili za "mehko" promocijo, prek turizma. "V tem pogledu je National Geographic Traveler ponujal najboljšo možno izbiro," je dejal in dodal, da je izid številke sovpada ravno z obiskom ameriškega predsednika Georgea Busha v Sloveniji.

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To je vrh zgodbe o sodelovanju z National Geographicom in National Geographic Travelerjem, ni pa njen zaključek, je dejal direktor STO Dimitrij Piciga in dodal, da bo v juliju objavljen še oglas kot priklic dogodkov v New Yorku, ki bosta spremljala omenjeni prispevek v National Geographic Traveler.

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Skrajšana predstavitev v evropski avgustovski številki revije National Geographic Magazin

V evropski avgustovski številki revije National Geographic Magazin s 534.000 naročniki bo izšla skrajšana predstavitev Slovenije na petih straneh. V novembrsko-decembrski številki NGT bo predvidoma izšel še en krajši prispevek o Sloveniji ter celostranski oglas. Pred izidom majsko-junijske številke National Geographic Travelerja je bila v predhodnih številkah objavljena napoved izida omenjenega prispevka o Sloveniji in spremljevalnih dogodkov ob predstavitvi Slovenije v National Geographic Traveler.

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"Do osem odstotkov nočitev ustvarijo prekomorski trgi"

"Sedem do osem odstotkov nočitev v Sloveniji ustvarijo prekomorski trgi. ZDA je po lanski rasti iz leta 2006 na 27 odstotkov z lansko petodstotno rastjo že na 11. mestu po prenočitvah," je dejal Piciga in dodal, da so to gostje višjega ali najvišjega cenovnega razreda, ki povprašujejo po produktih, ki jih Slovenija lahko ponuja. "To so gostje, ki so pripravljeni plačati več za t.i. prosto oblikovan produkt, za naraven produkt in pripravljeni so plačati od 15 do 50 odstotkov, odvisno od segmenta, več," je povedal Piciga.

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Dva posebna glasbena dogodka, ki bosta potekala 30. in 31. maja

V okviru promocije Slovenije v ZDA bodo v sodelovanju z National Geographic Travelerjem pripravili dva posebna glasbena dogodka - predstavitev sodobne in izvirne slovenske glasbene ustvarjalnosti ter slovenske kulinarike in vin, ki bosta potekala 30. in 31. maja. Prvi bo v legendarnem Joe's Pubu, ki sprejme okoli 200 obiskovalcev. Drugi večer bo v Town Hallu, ki sprejme do 1500 udeležencev; pred tem bo za 300 obiskovalcev in bralcev revije National Geographic Traveler, ki so prvi kupili vstopnice za ta večer potekala tudi predstavitev slovenske kulinarike in vin.

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Poleg teh dogodkov STO pripravlja še predstavitvi za strokovno javnost; 30. maja bo v Millennium Broadwy Hotelu potekala delavnica, na kateri bo sodelovalo okoli 35 agencij s področja New Yorka, in novinarska konferenca, je še dejal Piciga.

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V organizaciji diplomatskih predstavništev Slovenije v ZDA bo 4. junija na slovenskem veleposlaništvu v Washingtonu slovesna večerja za 80 do 100 povabljenih, od 9. do 14. junija bo v Lincoln Center Plaza predstavitev sodobne scenske umetnosti in od 16. do 22. junija retrospektiva izbranih slovenskih filmov, od 24. do 29. septembra pa bo v The Bowery Poetry Clubu predstavitev izbrane slovenske poezije.

http://www.siol.net/Slovenija/Zanimivosti/2008/05/Slovenija_se_predstavlja_v_reviji_National_Geographic_Traveler.aspx

Zanimiva reportaža nekega Poljaka, ki je v Ljubljani preživel 5 mesecev - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=630375

Nova spletna stran o Ljubljani za turiste
Personalizirano iskanje

Samo Petančič, sre, 02.07.2008 14:09

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Ljubljana spletna stran


Ljubljana - Zavod za turizem Ljubljana je predstavil novo spletno stran. Na www.visitljubljana.si si je mogoče ogledati turistično ponudbo glavnega mesta in 23 okoliških občin, obiskovalcu pa v petih jezikih omogoča samostojno organiziranje obiska želenih turističnih in kulturnih prireditev.

Predstavljeni projekt ponuja dostop do vsebin, namenjenih meščanom in obiskovalcem Ljubljane, organizatorjem potovanj, poslovnih in drugih srečanj. Obiskovalci se lahko seznanijo s splošnimi in turističnimi informacijami, imenikom turistične ponudbe, nastanitvenimi objekti, ogledi in izleti ter s koledarjem prireditev. Veliko je gradiva za novinarje, ki potrebujejo turistične podatke o Ljubljani, ter organizatorje srečanj. Na razpolago sta turistični zemljevid in virtualni vodnik, ki omogočata shranjevanje izbranih vsebin v svoj uporabniški račun. Ta zagotavlja personalizacijo iskanja, saj si ''zapomni'' izbrane lokacije in ustvari neke vrste ''nakupovalno košarico''turističnih znamenitosti, ki zanimajo posameznega uporabnika, tako da si sam organizira obisk.

Na spletni strani je mogoče rezervirati sobe v hotelih in kupiti turistično kartico Ljubljane, v načrtu imajo prodajo vstopnic za prireditve, rezervacije vseh vrst nastanitev, naročila ogledov mesta in izletov v okolico. Geografski projekt vključuje 23 občin in sega na severu od Škofje Loke, Kamnika in Krvavca do Grosupljega in Ivančne Gorice na jugu, njegovi avtorji pa poudarjajo, da bodo povabili tudi druge kraje z zanimivo turistično ponudbo.

Za dokončanje projekta, ki sta ga financirala ljubljansko turistično gospodarstvo in Zavod za turizem Ljubljana, so potrebovali leto dni, stal je 152.491 evrov. Nekaj denarja je prispeval Evropski sklad za regionalni razvoj.



Iz tiskane izdaje Dela.
http://www.delo.si/clanek/63071

EDIT: ne paše v to temo v celoti, ampak v polovici pa:D

Bled na prvi strani yahoo-ja med "Luxurious Lakeside Resorts"
http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-23316326;_ylc=X3oDMTFzYmdyYjhxBF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEX3MDMjcxOTQ4MQRzZWMDZnAtdG9kYXltb2QEc2xrA2xha2VzaWRlLTIwMDA4LTgtMg--
http://www.forbestraveler.com/resorts-hotels/lakeside-resorts-slide-5.html?partner=playlist&thisSpeed=25000
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Spodnji članek ne govori o Ljubljani in ni edini v tej temi. Mogoče bi veljalo spremenit naslov v Slovenija - kako jo vidijo drugi.
O slovencih in olimpijskih igrah:
Through eyeballs bloodshot from hours of trivial long division, the world's lonely and frivolous Medals Per Capita scholars will look at you and share with you an ancient Medals Per Capita adage:

Fear Slovenia.

Oh, Slovenia will bring along that dauntingly low population of 2,007,711. Oh, Slovenia will get some medals. And oh yeah, Slovenians have a demonstrable sturdiness.

Through history, they've come under the rule of the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Republic of Venice, the Duchy of Carantania, the Holy Roman Empire, the Habsburg Monarchy, the Austrian Empire, the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, Germans and Italians during World War II and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

You think they can't handle the hammer throw?

Now, as a pursuit, the hammer throw can seem alien, inscrutable and marginal. It can make you wonder just how many dangerous things they're going to let people throw for medals in the Olympics.

But on Sunday night in Beijing, the hammer throw turned monumentally, epically, phantasmagorically pivotal when Primoz Kozmus won it and lifted Slovenia to No. 1 on the most vital, cogent, counter-snobbish Olympic ranking, Medals Per Capita.

It brought the first track-or-field gold medal ever to the gorgeous little kumquat of a nation next to Italy on the Adriatic. It gave Slovenia four medals for 2,007,711 people, or one for every 501,927 Slovenians. It gave Slovenia a noticeable array of medals thus far -- one judo, one swimming, one shooting, one field.

And it finally dislodged the mighty Armenians from the summit.

/Cel članek/ (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/olympics_blog/2008/08/slovenia-hammer.html)

nevem a bi spadalo tole sm al v gostilno,^^

http://www.rtvslo.si/tureavanture/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews&op=sections&func=read&c_menu=1&c_id=2039

double posting

Zanimiva reportaža nekega Poljaka, ki je v Ljubljani preživel 5 mesecev - http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=630375

Hehe it's mine :) How did you manage to find it? Were you able to understand anything? :)

My reportaža is pretty enthusiastic about Lju and Slovenia in general. The same with reader's comments: some of them have already visited Ljubljana, others had no clue about it (as Slovenia isn't widely know among Poljaki :)) . But they all share my positive feelings.

What I regret a bit is that I havn't get to know too much locals (except my landlord). But due to my 5-month experience I consider Slovenians extremely nice and helpful. During my stay I hadn't come across to any unplesent behaviour.

So, hope to visit you once again. Cheers :cheers:

PS. Do you know if Ljubljana quarter of Krakovo has something to do with polish city of Krakow? It seems nobody among Ljubljana citizens know anything about it. I asked a couple of them.

Glad u enjoyed Slovenia :)

hope this is of any help:
Krakovo is probably Ljubljana's oldest suburb. First mentioned in 1473, it was originally a fishing village named after a marsh plant called "krak". The greater Krakovo area is the site of numerous prehistoric and Roman remains. Among the vegetable gardens and suburban houses in the Krakovska ulica street there is a small chapel with a copy of the Early Gothic relief of the Madonna of Krakovo (Krakovska Marija) which used to surmount the main entrance to the Križanke Church. The relief was carved in the 1360s and is probably a work by the same master carver as the famous Madonna of Solčava (Marija v Solčavi)...

http://www.ljubljana.si/en/sights/outside_the_centre/krakovo/

Thanks :) So maybe Krakow takes after Krakovo then :)

Hehe it's mine :) How did you manage to find it?Hi, Poljak. :) Hehe, I'm everywhere. :D

Were you able to understand anything? :)I understood some things, and what I didn't understand, I put into Google Translate. :D

My reportaža is pretty enthusiastic about Lju and Slovenia in general.I noticed that, yes. What I like most, is you not only took pics of the city-centre, but much more, also suburbs. Anyway, I liked your report very much and I'm glad you liked it here. :cheers:

If you live in Nove Jarse and travel to the centre on bike, you have to get to know the district you pass by, whether you like or no :) But I thing explore cities is also a sort of hobby to me. Although, there's a lot of photos I hadn't taken, cause I had always a loooot of time, and now I regret...

The last day before I definitely left Ljubljana in march 2007 was kind of horror cause I decided to take pictures of all the Plecnik's stuff around the city. I simply made a decision to choose Plecnik for my essays's topic here in Poland and realized there's no enough photos on my hard drive to complete it... I think the church on Siska was the only major object of Plecnik I haven't seen that day :)

Na zdravie / zdrowie :cheers:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/familyholidays/3210879/Slovenia-A-truly-majestic-horse-show.html

Slovenia: A truly majestic horse show
The Queen and Prince Philip are due to take in a long-established stud farm in Slovenia next week, an attraction already enjoyed by Esther Selsdon and her family.

By Esther Selsdon
Last Updated: 3:25PM BST 17 Oct 2008

When the Queen and Prince Philip pay their inaugural visit to Slovenia next week they should feel instantly at home. They will find themselves in a tiny, mostly rural country that looks rather like their eldest son's Welsh fiefdom but with better weather, less rugby and bigger mountains.

They will be comforted by the historical connection with one of Europe's greatest royal families (Slovenia was ruled continuously by the Habsburgs from the 14th century until 1918). They will probably appreciate, too, that, in 2004, Slovenia became the first of the former Yugoslav republics to join the European Union.

What they might like above all, however, is the fact that this enchanting country is the home of one of the most graceful horses in the world - the white Lipica stallion.The Queen's hosts have taken her love of all things equestrian into full consideration and – after a quick official reception in Ljubljana, Slovenia's bijou capital – she will be taken straight to the most famous stud farm in the world.

The Karst region where the Lipica (pronounced "Lipizza") is bred is full of gorgeous medieval villages and rambling vineyards. Its chalky terrain is perfect for cave formations (much favoured by the Yugoslav partisans in the Second World War) – and for the breeding of performing horses.

Charles II, the Archduke of Austria, decided to found a stud farm here in 1580 and promptly dispatched emissaries to Spain to bring back six of the most agile stallions in the world. Breeding of these six – originally Arab – studs soon began in earnest and it was Lipica stallions that performed at the new Spanish Riding School in Vienna in 1735. They were an instant hit.

Despite setbacks (the Napoleonic wars, an earthquake, sequestration by German troops in 1943), the stud farm grew and the fame of the horses spread far and wide. The American General George S Patton added further to their allure when he staged a dramatic operation to rescue the horses at the end of the last war, an event which subsequently became the subject of a slightly soppy but hugely popular Disney feature called Miracle of the White Stallions (1963).

It is the horses' dazzling whiteness that makes them so highly prized. That said, it was news to me (though it probably won't surprise the Queen) that Lipicas are actually born black or grey and don't turn white until they are four. Superstitiously, both the Spanish Riding School in Vienna and the Lipica stud farm always maintain one black stallion in residence.

Despite all the careful rearing, there are just 6,000 Lipicas in the world. Up close, they really are extremely beautiful. There is little more that a young girl (or indeed an octogenarian monarch) could wish for than a team of perfectly groomed Lipicas performing a form of dressage called "airs above the ground". Training for this takes six years and manoeuvres include the "levade", in which the horse stands at a 40-degree angle on its hind legs; and the "capriole", where it stands on its front legs, leaps into the air and, at the highest point of elevation, flicks out its hinds and then lands on all four hooves simultaneously. There is no other breed of horse able to perform such feats.

The Queen should enjoy watching them all and more during the Lipica Classical Riding School performance, which takes place in an indoor riding hall that was specially constructed by Yugoslavia's towering post-war leader, President Tito. She will probably also witness a few synchronised eights and some dramatic displays of Victorian carriage driving, all performed by riders in tight-fitting jodhpurs and glossy top hats, accompanied by suitably rigorous classical music. The Duke of Edinburgh, a keen carriage driver, should love it.

The Duke will probably also approve of the no-nonsense approach to teaching of Darco, the head coach at Lipica, who gave my nine-year-old daughter her first riding lesson. His English consisted mainly of the repeated instruction "Ker-nee [knee] against the saddle," which was rather dull but totally appropriate.

When her pure-bred but slightly sensitive horse unexpectedly whinnied and pranced, Edie landed backside first on the pristine, riding school sand. Darco had little sympathy.

"Everyone falls off," he said. "Now get back on and remember, ker-nee against the saddle."

Edie smiled grimly and clambered back on, subsequently bathing her wounds in the magnificently Titoist swimming pool of the on-site Maestoso Hotel (where even the grandest of visitors is expected to wear a swimming cap in the water).

We later caught sight of Darco in the village bar, nursing a local beer. He saluted my daughter for her bravery but quickly complimented his horses on their sensitivity.

"This is not a children's circus," he said. "This is art by horses."

And if you liked that ma'am
Here are a few more suggestions for what to see and do in Slovenia:

Lake Bled: Tito’s favourite, a picturesque expanse of water complete with mountain backdrop and island with baroque church. Plus Lake Bohinj with its beautiful clear, green-tinged water and spectacular waterfalls.

Julian Alps: prime skiing, rafting and hiking territory.

Skocjan Caves: one of the largest cave formations in Europe (not for vertigo sufferers).

Wine: produced here since Roman times. The whites are particularly good. Taste them at the cellar of Vasja Cotar and his father, Branko, in the Kras region.

Stanjel: a perfectly preserved medieval hilltop village with original piazza and the late Gothic St Daniel’s church and castle.

Adrenaline adventures: white-water rafting in the lakes and mountain-biking around Karst are very popular. Perhaps not for the royal couple, although it might appeal to their grandchildren.

Lipica basics
Getting there

EasyJet (www.easyjet. com) and Adria Airways (www.adria-airways.com) fly to Ljubljana from Stansted and Gatwick respectively.

Staying there

Hotel Maestoso in Lipica (00 386 5739 1580, www.lipica.org) charges from €60 per night for a double room; this includes breakfast, entry to a riding show and a tour of the stud farm. Riding lessons from €30 per hour. Hotel Klub, the budget alternative, charges from €48 per night for a double.

Further information: Slovenia Tourist Office (020 7222 5400, www.slovenia.info)

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d6ce4d8-9662-11dd-9dce-000077b07658.html

God smiles on Slovenia

By Jan Morris

Published: October 11 2008 01:20 | Last updated: October 11 2008 01:20

Where am I? From my hotel bedroom before breakfast I can see, against a wooded background, a row of small cottages, some quaintly antique, some concretely contemporary, their terraced gardens thick with miscellaneous foliage, sunflowers and roses and plots of vegetables. Washing hangs on a line; there is an ironing board on a balcony; a housewife spots us and waves; a man next door is busy polishing his already spotless Citroën. Somebody has drawn a tastefully sexy graffito on a wall.

Down the road the town square is plastered with photographs of male and female candidates in next week’s local elections, every one of them, it seems, supernally good-looking. Two hikers with Nordic poles stride into the morning, almost, but not quite, singing a merry hiking song. My hotel offers me 44 television channels in five languages, and a culinary speciality of the house, an old coaching inn that has fed imperial princes in its time, is turnip soup with sausages. After breakfast I can either be, within a couple of hours, swimming on an enchanted coast line, or in the depths of an Alpine forest with bears in it.

Where am I? Why, in Slovenia, the most delightful small country of 21st-century Europe, about which I have nothing in the least disagreeable to report.

When God devised Slovenia, I like to think in my creationist moments, he smiled. The independent Slovene republic has existed only since 1991 – and of all the new states that have emerged in our times, Slovenia is surely the luckiest. It seems to me to be just the right size and shape for human or national happiness – about as big as Wales, with two million people living generally amicably in it, with grand mountains and fertile flatlands, a lovely ancient capital and 30-odd miles of coastline on the Adriatic Sea, just enough for a port and a string of holiday towns.

It is not very rich, but not very poor either. Its neighbours – Italy, Austria, Hungary and Croatia – are generally well-disposed, give or take a frontier irritation, and it is a member of Europe, of Nato and of the United Nations. Its history is interesting, its Slavic language sounds fascinating – “the day before yesterday” in Slovene is predvčerajšnjim – and it is conveniently equipped for that prerequisite of small nations in our time, upmarket tourism.

Koper is a busy industrialised port, serving not only Slovenia, but the Slav hinterland beyond; the smaller coastal towns, inherited from the Venetian empire of long ago, live by tourism, so that their exquisitely Italianate piazzas and campaniles are invested with car parks and cafés and camp sites. But all sorts of artistic and architectural treasures are there to be found in Koper, and in half an hour you can be away from the razzmatazz, away from the echoes of Italy, and among the simpler allure of Slovenian Slovenia .

This can be exploitative too, mind you. Visitors have flocked to the little lake of Bled, in the north, ever since the days of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and even then the church-crowned islet in the middle of it was so universal a tourist icon that watercolours of it hung in drawing rooms from Budapest to Vienna. The nearby Julian Alps have their ski centres and chair-lifts, too, and flotillas of coaches convey package tourists to the myriad caves, long since illuminated and supplied with local legends. As for the celebrated stud-farm of Lipice, where the white Lipizzaner horses are bred, horse-lovers from all over Europe flock to stay at the two in-house hotels, learn to ride the Lipizzaners and watch them exercise . But the real delight of the place is to wander around the stables all by yourself, and meet some of those 400 glorious animals muzzle-to-muzzle, so to speak, unharnessed, unprimped and not on show at all.

For even some of the famous sites of Slovenia are restrained in their display. A genuine prodigy, to my mind, is the medieval castle of Predjama, which was for centuries the home of reclusive aristocrats and the lair of princely brigands. It is not remote nowadays, but the winding road up there gives no hint of drama until quite suddenly, beyond its attendant hamlet, there stands the white castle, grim and strange, half in and half out of the rock wall – behind it the gloomy vault of a cavern, below it a sheer cliff pock-marked with holes and tunnels. There is a café, but nothing touristy weakens the experience of Predjama, no glitz; only a sense of strange and cruel suggestion makes you stand there silently, with your coffee cup in your hand, staring at that weird construction in the rock.

Ljubljana, the Slovene capital, with its 300,000 people, is similarly unassertive. Its outskirts are ordinary, and its largely medieval centre seems to me rather like a show town in an architectural exhibition, very pretty, very festive, very nice as though one of these days it might be taken to pieces again and packed off somewhere else. A castle crowns it, with a gigantic national flag flying high, and a little river meanders through its centre, crossed by fanciful bridges.

Everyone in Ljubljana seems to be having a good time. Countless al fresco cafes line the riverbanks, and they are all full and animated. Twenty or thirty small boys were being taught to rollerskate when I was there, and a whole stretch of street was closed off to allow them hilariously to hurl themselves up and down, frequently colliding or collapsing into uncontrollable laughter. Nearby, one of their mothers, herself on skates, was killing time by pushing a baby about in a pram.

The streets of the old city are wide, very clean and extremely prosperous. Music often blares through the central square, where the merriest of the river crossings multiplies itself and becomes the ornamental Triple Bridge; big amiable dogs abound; an immense open-air market sells everything from pomegranates to bath-plugs; a thousand restaurants flourish; the magnificent Renaissance-Classical colonnade which embellishes the city centre turns out to be not Renaissance-Classical at all, but the work of Jose Plecnik (died 1957).

God evidently still smiles on Ljubljana, but then he smiles on all Slovenia. Here are two little cameos of ordinary Slovenian travel, with no sights to see, no rollerskating schoolboys, no fierce eyrie-castles, no Venetian campaniles or Habsburgian beauty spots.

First we go to the upper valley of the Sava Bohinska river, in the lee of the Julian Alps, where white village basks almost within sight of Mount Triglav, the country’s highest peak. It is a very green, wide, semi-Alpine valley, edged with high hills, and the four or five little villages almost run into one another. They are all white-washed and clustered, with deep eaves and higgledy-piggledy lanes, and one has a little church with a fresco of St Christopher on its southern wall.

Every which way stand the tall white houses, with wide gardens full of flowers, and nothing much seems to be happening. The calm is absolute. Here and there we come across a man hosing down his tractor, or a woman with a bag of onions. Cats sit contentedly in the middle of fields. At an unexpectedly suave village restaurant they serve us grilled trout fresh from the river, with Slovenian Tokai wine and bread from the kitchen oven. God smiles, without a doubt, upon the Sava Bohinska valley.

And here, in contrast, we find ourselves lost somewhere east of Kranj. Helplessly we consult our map, hopefully we look for somebody to ask the way, and presently there somehow seems to sidle into our company half a dozen Slovene men and a very talkative Slovene woman. Between us we speak five languages, but we are fluent only in our own, and gradually our discussions descend into farce: “It’s that way, for sure.” “No it’s the other, they haven’t been through Preddvor.” “No, no of course they haven’t, they came the Cerklje way – they should go back the way they came then, they should have gone by Duplice.” “No, no, no, look here, look at the map ... ”

And so, as the map gets more and more crumpled, the arguments louder, the languages ever more incomprehensible, we subside into impotent merriment, shake hands with each other, and, chuckling still, go our various ways. We ourselves are no wiser about our situation, so we leave the car on the grassy verge and go for a drink instead.

God looks down upon that Slovenian scene, too, and now he laughs out loud.

Jan Morris is the author of more than 40 books, including most recently a novel ‘Hav’, published by Faber

Nekaj o Ljubljani

http://forum.b92.net/index.php?showtopic=16715

Hello

I was in Ljubljana on 10th of August. We made a 960 km-long cycle tour to my Italian friend and we rode across Slovenia and backwards we visited Ljubljana. I really liked the city because I found cycle paths everywhere and I could find a lot of bike shops. m)) I visited the castle, too. It was beautiful but the panorama from the top wasn't. There were high commies everywhere. But it was worth climbin' up with my bike because of the slope. m))
I found Slovenia very nice, especially the valley of Drava. The peeps' are also very kind. It was funny because once we camped on a riverbank and an old man came and shouted at us. We thought we camped on a wrong place, but later he appeared with a bag of apples. :lol:

^ Hi. It's Ljubljana, btw, but I've heard Hungarians can't pronounce more than two consonants in a row, so you're forgiven. m)) Did you stop in any village in the Drava valley, or just drove through them?

You're right about the consonants. :) We rode through villages, visited no museums or sumthin' like that, if you thought that. We just enjoyed the landscape and the awesome slopes.

^ Cool, I was just asking, cause I know every village there, hehe.

Yeah, new law officialy forbid camping on any land if you don't ask owner. But in the practice you can camp everywhere and no one care. An old man should brought you wine, not apples. :)

I think the law is very West-European.. :) It's good, although, because many campers (especially anglers) leave a lot of rubbish behind in Hungary, what's never cleared. :ohno: Be calm, we haven't left any litter. :) We are some of the "good" campers. :lol:

I think in France you can still camp anywhere you want. But Slovenia is an empty land so plenty of free space for campers. In general,
we didn't have problems with litters maybe because there aren't a lot of tourists camping here.

Here is an article about Ljubljana at www.viamichelin.com of 6 November 2008. It's in French, and there are also nice pictures. Here is the link:

http://www.viamichelin.fr/viamichelin/fra/search/Datasheet/e37154686f42f5bab663f0ae7dd905dd/125195/%20Regards%20sur%20Ljubljana,%20la%20«%20bien%20aimée%20»?from=UNE

I don't know if there's an English version.

it's a nice article :) but it's funny because at picture 13 is written la bibliothèque nationale (NUK) but is a photo of prešeren square

Yes, they've made some mistakes... And if I recall my school literature classes well, Prešern's muse was named Julija, not Julja (as they put it)... :lol: By the way, the National library building is one of my favourites in Ljubljana. It's really great! Anyone knows some other important Plečnik's buildings around Slovenia?

Here are some of his greatest works, but there are many others..

NUK

http://shrani.si/f/3F/6H/10e9lFxg/07-national-and-universi.jpg

Žale Cemetery

http://shrani.si/f/T/w5/1ELhJo4J/1/vhodzale.jpg

Ljubljana's Market

http://shrani.si/f/3q/HI/26INHtz7/01-market-1536-mid.jpg

Triglav Insurance Building

http://shrani.si/f/1p/WE/1A7aZ2TZ/01-assurance-building-14.jpg

Church in Šiška

http://shrani.si/f/1Z/9V/1NtRw95f/st-francis-photo-12-1437.jpg

Church in Prague

http://shrani.si/f/1f/xM/nZTCZrU/back-view-2403-mid.jpg

Zacherl Palace in Vienna

http://shrani.si/f/2F/qh/3Do5mjla/zacherl-palace-facade-30.jpg

Križanke

http://shrani.si/f/43/10x/42BDnFlt/courtyard-3191-mid.jpg

Marsh Church

http://shrani.si/f/42/sI/1iv8ltyD/st-michaels-photo-02-144.jpg

All pictures are respectively taken from www.Plecnik.net. I suggest you take a look at the page for more info and pictures on Plečnik.

^^ Thank you very much! Where is this Marsh Church?

In ye olden days Julija was spelled Julja =)

^^ Thank you very much! Where is this Marsh Church?

^^
Klik (http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8656343)

Mercator Poljanska na Dezeenu (http://www.dezeen.com/2008/11/16/dot-envelope-by-ofis-arhitekti/).

Kot kaže, so jim Ofis arhitekti precej všeč, ker ni to edina njihova zadeva, ki so jo objavili.

^^ Prvič slišim, da bo tam Mercator. :nuts:

Na Poljanski?, če boš pogledal v thread od Ljubljane boš videl, da je tudi tam prilepljenih par slikc.

haha dons sm vidu da je forbes uvrstu ljubljano na top 10 idiličnih mest v evropi in sicer je zasedla (pomojem) zavidljivo 5. mesto :)

No. 5 Ljubljana, Slovenia

The queen of England recently visited this quirky capital city on a royal visit to Slovenia, where she was given a rare Lipizzaner horse. Ala Osmond of Exeter International called the city "a little Paris" with hints of Art Nouveau. It lies at the crossroads of the German, Latin and Slavic worlds and is a melting pot of culture. A two-bedroom apartment in the center of town will cost in the region of 200,000 euros ($258,000).

Zakon! :cheers:

Plečnik ruuuules!!!

SLOVENIA'S LJUBLJANA FIRST OF THE TOP 10 MOST HONEST CITIES IN THE WORLD
Dec 09, 08 | 10:43 am


Ljubljana garnered first place in the Top 10 Most Honest Cities in the World in an experiment carried out by journalists of Reader's Digest magazine. They chose a number of cities and "lost" 30 cell phones in each of them. Then they checked the nearest police stations and waited for calls from the "finders."

Would you keep a cell phone or a wallet if you happened to find one? Or would you hand it in at the police station? And how about the others? These are the questions that Reader's Digest asked. A survey did not seem to be the right way to find out, as people might not admit that they would keep the phone anyway, so the journalists decided to carry out this experiment. They made a selection of cities and capitals around the world and "lost" 30 cell phones in each of them. Then they checked the nearest police stations and waited to see if they got calls from the people who found them. According to the number of phones they managed to get back, they put together a list of the world's top ten most honest cities.

The winners are:

1. Ljubljana; in Ljubljana, 29 out of 30 lost cell phones were returned to their owners and only one changed ownership.
2. Toronto; in Toronto, 28 out of 30 lost cell phones were returned.
3. Seoul; in Seoul, 27 out of 30 lost cell phones were returned.
The other chosen cities placed in the following order: Stockholm, Mumbai, Manila, New York, Helsinki, Budapest and Warsaw.

More information: http://www.tourism-review.com/top10.php

hahahahah zelo realna anketa...od ljudi ki jih jst poznam iz lj mogoče 1/5 niso še vemokdo ukradli mobitela...

hahahahah zelo realna anketa...od ljudi ki jih jst poznam iz lj mogoče 1/5 niso še vemokdo ukradli mobitela...

Čuden stavek. Torej se družiš s kradljivci? Btw, to je bil eksperiment, ne anketa.

Članek je preobsežen, da bi ga prilimu gor:

Ljubljana: Too Cool to Get Hot (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/22/AR2009052201107.html?referrer=digg)

Ljubljana is genetically incapable of marketing itself aggressively. :lol::lol:

Mislim, da to velja kar za celotno Slovenijo. :)

^^Hvalabogu.

I miss Lubiana so much :cry:

I wish i lived there

Look if you fancy Ljubljana so much, start by learning to at least think before typing. Look around you on this page Ljubljana is written at least 4 times! It is not lubiana!! It is LJUBLJANA! I know it's hard to pronounce it, no one will bug you for that, but typing it right is the easyiest possible thing, just look around and you'll see how to do it.

If you're uncapable of doing that, then don't write about Ljubljana or Slovenia anymore!

Look if you fancy Ljubljana so much, start by learning to at least think before typing. Look around you on this page Ljubljana is written at least 4 times! It is not lubiana!! It is LJUBLJANA! I know it's hard to pronounce it, no one will bug you for that, but typing it right is the easyiest possible thing, just look around and you'll see how to do it.

If you're uncapable of doing that, then don't write about Ljubljana or Slovenia anymore!

Did your favourite pet just die? :bash:

Pa ni treba bit tako nastrojen proti tujcem.... Ljubljana je verjetno ena najtežjih stvari za napisat za enega tujca, zato lahko lepo opozoriš. Pol se pa čudimo upadu turistov, ob takem odnosu... :ohno:

Pa ni treba bit tako nastrojen proti tujcem.... Ljubljana je verjetno ena najtežjih stvari za napisat za enega tujca, zato lahko lepo opozoriš. Pol se pa čudimo upadu turistov, ob takem odnosu...

Pa naj da copy/paste če ne zna pravilno napisati! Meni osebno je žaljivo če nekdo napiše ime Ljubljane v kakšnem tujem jeziku (Lubiana, Laibach), ali pa čisto narobe.

Upad turizma (če sploh je, kar ne verjamem) je pa zaradi recesije in ne odnosa Slovencev. Če že kaj nas pohvalijo glede tega.

Zakaj pa ne Lubiana? Sej je ql ime. :) Tko bi lahko blo v angleščini...

S takimi stvarmi se pa res ni treba tolk obremenjevat.
Pa kaj če bi nemec napisal Laibach...zato niso ljubljančani čist nič manj Slovenci. Ne vem a so to spet kakšne zgodovinske travme al kaj...
Sej imamo mi tudi Dunaj, Pariz, Pargo itd. V Münchnu se noben ne sekira, če kdo napiše Munich.

Problem je v tem, da smo temu kmetu že 100x razložili da je Ljubljana drugače se pa tudi meni zdi žaljivo, da v nekem svojem jeziku govorijo, ko je bila italjanska ne rečem ampak danes je pa slovenska in se spodobi, da je Ljubljana. Sej sem napisal, o izgovorjavi ne bom debatiral, če bi angleško prebral Ljubljana bi mislil, da je to sredi Afrike (nekakko lđubđena). Ampak pri pisavi, še posebej, da povsod okoli njega piše Ljubljana, je pa res nekako enostavno vsaj copy/paste dat, če ga že tulk jebe pisanje.
Sploh pa glede na to, da kao goji neka čustva, se mi zdi to neumno pol.

Relax, take it e-e-asy, cause there is nothing that we can do... ;)

Problem je v tem, da smo temu kmetu že 100x razložili da je Ljubljana drugače se pa tudi meni zdi žaljivo, da v nekem svojem jeziku govorijo, ko je bila italjanska ne rečem ampak danes je pa slovenska in se spodobi, da je Ljubljana. Sej sem napisal, o izgovorjavi ne bom debatiral, če bi angleško prebral Ljubljana bi mislil, da je to sredi Afrike (nekakko lđubđena). Ampak pri pisavi, še posebej, da povsod okoli njega piše Ljubljana, je pa res nekako enostavno vsaj copy/paste dat, če ga že tulk jebe pisanje.
Sploh pa glede na to, da kao goji neka čustva, se mi zdi to neumno pol.

Ne razumeš; to je hellospankščina.

Itak itak..

Ljubljana na petem mestu najzanimivejših destinacij!

http://24ur.com/novice/slovenija/ljubljana-barvita-zivahna-in-zanimiva-prestolnica.html

Lublana je zakon! :guns1:

Ljubljana na petem mestu najzanimivejših destinacij!

http://24ur.com/novice/slovenija/ljubljana-barvita-zivahna-in-zanimiva-prestolnica.html

ljubljana je zakon! :guns1:

FIFY

FIFY

Lujbljana?

Ljubljana na petem mestu najzanimivejših destinacij!

http://24ur.com/novice/slovenija/ljubljana-barvita-zivahna-in-zanimiva-prestolnica.html

Lublana je zakon! :guns1:

Ne Lj ampak celotna Slovenija.

Lublana - brez jekavice :D

http://www.rtvslo.si/tureavanture/novice/foto-na-prestiznem-seznamu-slovenija-sesta/215465
na rtvslo.si je slovenija 6., pa mesta si deli vec drzav. o ljubljani ni govora, je pa slikca bleda :)

eh, 24ur kot vedno zavaja z naslovom.

Če klikneš na povezavo, vidiš, da na NG piše veliko lepega o LJ.

a, zdej sm vidu. "ljubljana has the feel of Prague ten years ago" hehe, na kaj tle tocno misli?

^ Verjetno na to, da je Praga prepolna turistov.

Seveda, če greš zdaj po Pragi se moreš praktično umikat turistom in ni znamenitosti, ki bi jo lahko poslikal brez te množice, ki blokira vsak pogled. Pa da ne omenim, da skori vse trgovine v radiusu 1km okoli Karlovega mosta in praktično skoz celo staro mesto prodajajo ene in iste spominke.

Seveda, če greš zdaj po Pragi se moreš praktično umikat turistom

Torej samemu sebi? :D

To bi te pa rad vidu probat, ja! :lol:

star članek francoskega časopisa Le Monde o Ljubljani:

Les balcons de Ljubljana

http://www.lemonde.fr/voyages/article/2006/10/20/les-balcons-de-ljubljana_825808_3546.html

http://www.euronews.net/2009/11/03/czechs-complete-lisbon-treaty-ratification/

Ne vem sicer, kaj imamo s češko ratifikacijo Lizbonske pogodbe, ampak med 01:07 in 01:19 lahko vidite Ljubljano. :D

Ja pač so mogl dat tud nekaj lepega v video, da ne bi zgledalo, kot, da je Evropa neka grda komunistična država. Za Severnoameričanejužnepolovicekontinenta. =)

Aja, pa če ste opazili, je narisano, kot da je Kosovo v EU! :lol::lol::lol:

O bed pa res. Pa kaj tem ljudem ni jasno? Drugače pa po eni strani no... No ja mam občutek, da je bližje EU, kot preostale države na Balkanu.

^^ Ja, je bližje, ker EU z njim upravlja (EULEX). :lol:

Ljubljana na petem mestu najzanimivejših destinacij!

http://24ur.com/novice/slovenija/ljubljana-barvita-zivahna-in-zanimiva-prestolnica.html

Lublana je zakon! :guns1:

Madona, članek se nanaša na Slovenijo, ne na Ljubjano. Madona, a ste čist zblojeni.:ohno:

Ti se pa obnašaš kot da Ljubljana sploh ni bila omenjena v članku

^^ Moja napaka, nekaj sem zameštral.

Slovenija je zakon! :cheers:

Madona, članek se nanaša na Slovenijo, ne na Ljubjano. Madona, a ste čist zblojeni.:ohno:

Ljubljana, the capital, is "colorful, vibrant, and architecturally appealing,"

Ljubljana is one of Europe's most attractive small capital cities

Most impressive is the political and cultural capital city, Ljubljana, with its three pedestrian bridges (recently completely shut to traffic) and unique architecture from multiple eras and reflecting diverse influences.http://traveler.nationalgeographic.com/2009/11/destinations-rated/europe-text/15

Kje pa je Maribor, Opasni? :)

Bo Opasni maL poklicu svoje kolege da obiščejo uredništvo National Geographica in prsiljo novinarje nej mal spremenijo tekst in omenijo Maribor :) To je že smešno, a se da kako naštimat, da en določeni uporabnik ne uporablja neke besede? In ciljam na besedo Ljubljana, saj bi sam najraje videl, da je ne bi bilo. :lol:

^^ Ne bi pomagalo:Ljubjano:lol:

No meni se zdijo primerjave med Mariborom in Ljubljano povsem neprimerne. Ljubljana je prestolnica, predvsem pa je zgodovinsko ozadje povsem drugačno. Maribor je bil dolgo izrazito pod germanskim vplivom kar se pozna še danes, tako athitektonsko, kulturno, v mentaliteti.... V Ljubljani se v starem delu zelo poznajo beneški vplivi, ki skupaj z Ljubljanico dajejo tak cart, prisrčen, sproščen vtis. Medtem je Maribor bolj germansko hladen, v preteklosti zelo industrijsko orientiran in skupaj z Dravo, v primerjavi s katero je Ljubljanica skoraj potok, daje vsaj meni bolj metropolitanski značaj, čeprav je Ljubljana dejansko večja.

Torej razlike so takšne, da so primerjave neumestne. Vsako mesto ima prednosti in slabosti, vsak to vidi po svoje.

men se zdi Drava občutno preširoka, dejte jo zožat za ene 50 metrov :)

Men se zdi Drava super. In Maribor mi je zaradi njegovi čudovitih mostov izredno lep. Edino škoda se mi zdi, da ni MB dobil še preostale glavne moste pred letom 1950. Ker vsi mostovi iz ne vem, 80ih in 90ih. Torej Koroški in nov AC most so navadni mostički. Zakaj ne bi bil ta dolg in velik most za AC nek arhitekturni presežek? Zakaj so črnogorci in srbi in madžari in slovaki in še marsikatere druge nacije sposobni delat neke presežke s harfa mostovi pri nas pa naredijo most očitno gradbeniki (ne mi zamert ampak gradbenik ne gleda na lepoto ampak, kok bo najmanj materiala uporabu). Saj ne bi nič rekel, če ne bi imeli arhitektov in gradbenikov dovolj sposobnih, tako imamo pa enega največjih mojstrov (vsaj na Balkanu če ne v V evropi) za harfe projektirat. Človeka, ki projektira same lepotce v ČG, Srbiji, pa ne vem kje še vse. Pri nas so mu pa zaupali velepomemben 100 metrski most čez Ljubljanico na V obvoznici Ljubljane. Prave budale.

^^
se strinjam! Drava je super, samo izkoriščena ni. Za mostove je pa tudi škoda, da ni kakšnih lepih in zanimivih presežkov.

Kar se Dravskih mostov tiče. Vsi so presežki svojega časa. Titov most je bil svojčas med 20timi najdaljšimi mostovi na svetu plus tega je šlo še na neke pomembne gradbene presežke, ki so si jih prišli ogledovati iz vse Evrope - sicer nisem nek strokovnjak, lahk pa postanm linke če koga zanima.

Studenški most je bil nagrajen za najlepši zgrajen most tistega leta. Koroški kolikor vem ima prav tako nekaj presežkov, dvoetažnemu meljskemu prav tako ni para v bivši jugi, imamo še dva avstroogarska Glavnega in Železniškega ter Malečniškega in AC.

Je pa res , da tudi meni tile betonski novodobni niso kaj preveč všeč. :)

Mogoče presežek za Slovenijo. Nikakor, pa tista betonska plata ne more biti v širšem okolju nikakršen presežek (govorim o Koroškem, sj to je tist na Z obvoznici) Tisti stari mostovi, so pa meni čudoviti, edinstveni, a obenem neizkoriščeni iz vidika turizma.

se sprašujem ali so tako lepi samo zato, ker takrat niso znali graditi drugačnih...

Ne, znali so graditi marsikakšne,samo, so tisti nek presežek, takratnega znanja. In vendar znamo v letu 2009 graditi tudi drugačne, kot neke navadne betonske, pa jih vseeno ne.

se sprašujem ali so tako lepi samo zato, ker takrat niso znali graditi drugačnih...

Se hecaš? Danes ne znajo zgraditi lepih mostov! Vsi lepi mostovi, ki jih imamo, so iz daljne preteklosti. :nuts:

Pozabil sem na Puhovega na Ptuju. Nekaj mi pravi, da je isti arhitekt, kot ta čez Ljubljanico na V obvoznici. Torej P. Gabrijelčič.

Ljubljana med top 10 summer urban destinations.

http://www.roughguides.com/website/Travel/SpotLight/ViewSpotLight.aspx?spotLightID=516

:cheers:

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/edmondbina/1/1283671063/tpod.html#_

^^ Sam malce, bi si pa lahko zapisal imena krajev, katere je obiskal in imena, Perserna recimo. Ker ni niti enega lastnega imena razen Ljubljane napisal prav. No pa ajde, naj mu bo.

Pa zelo dobro se vidi, kako smo razpoznavni v svetu, da nam turiste pošiljajo Hrvatje. =)

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/edmondbina/1/1283671063/tpod.html#_

Se strinjam s Štruckarjem, čudi me pa, da nihče ni omenil, da ne spadamo v Vzhodno Evropo tako kot ostali Balkanci, ampak smo že vsaj tisoč let del Srednje Evrope, predvsem kulturno in gospodarsko, če že ne popolnoma geografsko. Pa tudi čevapčiči nikakor niso naši.

^^ Za Američane Srednja Evropa ne obstaja, samo Vzhodna pa Zahodna. Čeprav smo zdaj politično v Zahodni (EU), nas vsi dajo v Vzhodno (ker smo do pred 20 leti kar nekaj desetletij bili v socializmu). Tudi Avstrijci oz. Habsburžani nam ne vladajo več, tako da vsekakor nismo tako srednjeevropski kot oni. Nekje vmes smo, npr. zame je Primorska bolj Južna Evropa.

Se strinjam s Štruckarjem, čudi me pa, da nihče ni omenil, da ne spadamo v Vzhodno Evropo tako kot ostali Balkanci, ampak smo že vsaj tisoč let del Srednje Evrope, predvsem kulturno in gospodarsko, če že ne popolnoma geografsko. Pa tudi čevapčiči nikakor niso naši.

to smo že predelali, vsaj 1/4 Slovenije je tudi teoretično na Balkanu.

V bistvu 1/5

V bistvu 1/5

No, če smo že pri tem potem je tudi 1/2 Slovenije v Afriki saj leži na isti tektonski plošči.

Anyway, že v živo s prijatelji se težko zedinimo glede takega vprašanja kaj šele na spletnih forumih. Še vedno se je izkazalo za hudo degradacijo nitke... :/

V bistvu 1/5V bistvu tretjina, če greš po tej (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Balkan_topo_en.jpg) definiciji. Ampak samo petina prebivalstva.

No, če smo že pri tem potem je tudi 1/2 Slovenije v Afriki saj leži na isti tektonski plošči.O čem ti govoriš? Slovenija v celoti leži na Evrazijski tektonski plošči (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plates_tect2_en.svg).

Meni je bolj zanimivo, da ogromno število teh, ki potem napišejo blog, ko pridejo k nam jejo srbsko hrano. Se prav pleskavice in čevape. Vsi pa pišejo, da je to slovenska hrana. Počasi bom že mislil, da so se Srbi zarotili proti nam in nam speljejo turiste v svoje restavracije. Kaj, ko bi v kak vodnik napisali tudi, kje so tadobre in z razumno ceno slovenske restavracije, s slovensko hrano.

^^ Problem je, ker je malo restavracij, ki bi se oglaševale kot specifično slovenske. V Ljubljani jih skoraj-da ni.

No po pravici je tole nekakšen "travel blog" in je veliko več vnosov o ljubljani, če bi kdo želel še več vnosov :)

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/tyga/7/1251714498/tpod.html

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/hels_belles/europe-summer07/1187463240/tpod.html

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/bogna/12/1221401340/tpod.html

http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/hels_belles/europe-summer07/1187110800/tpod.html

MyrcG5Xcy_I

najboljši video kar sem jih videl za slovenijo :))

Ga še nisem videl, hvala za objavo Ozz. Really, really nice.

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meni je pa ta še vedno najljubši

^^Meni ta zaradi glasbene podlage zmaga..

Mah dajte no! Te promocijski videi za slovenijo nas vedno prikazujejo, kot neko zaostalo deželo na koncu sveta z neizobraženim ljudstvom, ki stalno samo potice peče. :bash: :ohno:
Res pa, da žal v mnogih primerih to sploh ni tako daleč od resnice.

men se zdi bolj butasto to, da prikazujejo stvari ki jih sploh ne počnemo. npr. un surfar na ljubljanici iz prejšnega videa ali pa tale plezalec po cerkvenem zvoniku iz tazadnega videa. ajde, sej ne rečem, na vsake svete cajte se to mrbit res dogaja, ampak vsekakor pa to NI povprečen dan v sloveniji :ohno: in pol lažejo tujcem pod pretvezo kvazi razkazovanja naših lepot.

ajde da vas slišim kolkrat ste smučal v vinogradu sred poletja?

men se zdi bolj butasto to, da prikazujejo stvari ki jih sploh ne počnemo. npr. un surfar na ljubljanici iz prejšnega videa ali pa tale plezalec po cerkvenem zvoniku iz tazadnega videa. ajde, sej ne rečem, na vsake svete cajte se to mrbit res dogaja, ampak vsekakor pa to NI povprečen dan v sloveniji :ohno: in pol lažejo tujcem pod pretvezo kvazi razkazovanja naših lepot.

ajde da vas slišim kolkrat ste smučal v vinogradu sred poletja?

Tudi s tvojimi pripombami se strinjam. Zdaj je samo vprašanje ali ustvarjalci promo filmov ne znajo izbrati resnične a vendar zanimive utrinke in atrakcije ali pa je slovenija res ena popolnoma nezanimiva in dolgočasna turistična destinacije kjer res nimaš kaj početi in doživeti in je lahko zanimiva samo kakšnim čudakom in penzionerjem.

Mah dajte no! Te promocijski videi za slovenijo nas vedno prikazujejo, kot neko zaostalo deželo na koncu sveta z neizobraženim ljudstvom, ki stalno samo potice peče. :bash: :ohno:


to je vendar promocijski video za turiste! seveda boš turiste vabil s tradicijo, naravnimi lepotami, kulturo itd, ne pa z posnetki avtocest, novimi poslovnimi stavbami in nuklearko (karikiram)

saj tudi na portugalskem vse ženske ne pojejo fado na ulici, belgijci ne jejo školjke za zajtrk, kosilo in večerjo, v grčiji pa nimajo vse hiše pred vhodom jonske stebre.

MyrcG5Xcy_I

najboljši video kar sem jih videl za slovenijo :))

Fajn, dinamičen ritem spota, medtem ko je napis I feel Slovenia vedno znova in znova popolnoma odveč in zdi se, da tudi avtorji niso povsod točno vedeli, kaj bi z njim.

ps. in pa tale Google Earth začetek ... ojojoj!

to je vendar promocijski video za turiste! seveda boš turiste vabil s tradicijo, naravnimi lepotami, kulturo itd, ne pa z posnetki avtocest, novimi poslovnimi stavbami in nuklearko (karikiram)


Ja, tradicija je že v redu in je prav, da se kaj takega pokaže v promocijskih filmih ampak ročna košnja žita, potica in nek tip s trobento v hribih enostavno ne izpade prepričljivo, da bi si to želel v živo videti :lol: kar se tudi pozna koliko imamo v sloveniji dobička od turizma :lol: Sicer ne vem kakšne promocijske filmče si ti gledal ampak jaz sem v tovrstnih reklamah za ralične dežele in mesta opazil tudi posnetke moderne arhitekture, poslovne stolpnice, moderne mostove in viadukte, celo kakšen industrijski obrat in te dežele imajo veliko večje dobičke od turizma.
V glavnem lahko bi se bolj potrudili s temi filmčki in bolje prikazali tradicijo in običaje, kot tudi sodobno življenje, arhitekturo, ponudbo in kulturo.

Kaj ni lafreak84 govoril kako so bili v Londonu vsi začudeni, ko jim je povedal, da v Sloveniji ni ravno dežela tretjega sveta in imamo bolj ali manj vse sodobne dobrine, kot vsa zahodna evropa?!? Saj ni čudno, da tako mislijo, ko jim pa take promocijske filme predvajamo!! :lol:

Enostavno ljudje ne razumejo da se promovira novejše stvari. Vse je lepo in prav s kulturo, ampak to turiste ne zanima. Video je popolnoma mimo, razen par dobrih posnetkov je ZELO slab oglas(tudi glasba je malo tako tako). Promovira se z novimi stvarmi, konec koncev, smo v letu 2011, ne 1970

in katere novejše stvari bi ti promoviral?

@oilpower: očitno turizmu niti ne gre tako slabo, če je letos zraslo število obiskovalcev za 9%

Sicer ne vem kakšne promocijske filmče si ti gledal ampak jaz sem v tovrstnih reklamah za ralične dežele in mesta opazil tudi posnetke moderne arhitekture, poslovne stolpnice, moderne mostove in viadukte, celo kakšen industrijski obrat in te dežele imajo veliko večje dobičke od turizma.

No, a naj damo v oglas Kristalno palačo, pa kakšno Krkino tovarno, pa Revoz, pa avtoček od kakšnega tajkuna, naj se vidi da je tudi pri nas razkošje? Vse to in še precej boljše ima večina držav po svetu. Mi pač s tem ne moremo tekmovati in tudi ni to naša ciljna publika... Tisti ki hoče arhitekturne dosežke in moderne stvari ter razkošje, bo šel v Dubaj in podobne umetne tvorbe. Moramo pač delati s tem kar imamo... Tudi Hrvati najbrž ne bodo dajali kakšnih industrijskih objektov iz Karlovca v svoj oglas :).

@oilpower: očitno turizmu niti ne gre tako slabo, če je letos zraslo število obiskovalcev za 9%

Fino za teh 9%, to je samo dokaz, da bi lahko imeli še več od turizma, če bi se znali bolje promovirati!




No, a naj damo v oglas Kristalno palačo, pa kakšno Krkino tovarno, pa Revoz, pa avtoček od kakšnega tajkuna, naj se vidi da je tudi pri nas razkošje? Vse to in še precej boljše ima večina držav po svetu. Mi pač s tem ne moremo tekmovati in tudi ni to naša ciljna publika... Tisti ki hoče arhitekturne dosežke in moderne stvari ter razkošje, bo šel v Dubaj in podobne umetne tvorbe. Moramo pač delati s tem kar imamo... Tudi Hrvati najbrž ne bodo dajali kakšnih industrijskih objektov iz Karlovca v svoj oglas :).

Oprosti ampak ta tvoja izjava je res debilna! Tipična za slovenske zahojence, ki ničesar ne razumejo in ne znajo tržit čisto nobene stvari. Jaz sem dal nekaj primerov iz tujine, ti se pa kot tele zapičiš v to. Govorim o tem kako ne znajo v teh filmih prikazati prav nobenih zanimivih stvari in še tiste zanimive stvari, ki jih imamo v sloveniji izpadeje prav uboge ali jih pa sploh ne pokažejo. Promocija slovenije šepa in to ZELO ampak večina vas to itak nikoli ne bo dojela. Tipična slovenska zahojenost, kot na vseh ostalih področjih od gospodarstva do turizma.

En fail je tudi, da nobenih koncertov ne kažejo. Pri nas se očitno samo v gorah trobenta

Slovenijo prodajamo, kot neokrnjeno državico, kjer vsak pozna vsakega, vsi so prijazni, povsod mir in tišina.. Koncerti, stolpnice, industrija, infrastruktura v to ne spadajo...

Ja, tradicija je že v redu in je prav, da se kaj takega pokaže v promocijskih filmih ampak ročna košnja žita, potica in nek tip s trobento v hribih enostavno ne izpade prepričljivo, da bi si to želel v živo videti :lol: kar se tudi pozna koliko imamo v sloveniji dobička od turizma :lol: Sicer ne vem kakšne promocijske filmče si ti gledal ampak jaz sem v tovrstnih reklamah za ralične dežele in mesta opazil tudi posnetke moderne arhitekture, poslovne stolpnice, moderne mostove in viadukte, celo kakšen industrijski obrat in te dežele imajo veliko večje dobičke od turizma.

Verjetno imaš v mislih številne promocijske spote, ki se predvajajo denimo na CNNu in podobnih televizijskih postajah. Ti verjetno niso striktno turistični, temveč bolj nagovarjajo poslovno javnost. Tam se prikazuje napredek, infrastruktura: se vabi s poslovnimi priložnostmi, k vlaganju. Nenazadnje je tudi struktura gledalcev teh postaj temu ustrezna. Tako imamo k zelo različnim publikam usmerjene spote od zelo poslovnih (Dubai, Qatar) do tistih, ki promovirajo izključno uživanje, počitnice (Malaysia truly Asia, Hrvaška, Črna Gora, tudi famozni slovenski CNN spot).

In tej reklami, ki je verjetno namenjena promociji kje na internetu in verjetno še na kakem sejmu, bi mogoče lahko očitali kakšno šepanje pri vizualnem, medtem ko pa je prikazana motivika glede na namen verjetno povsem legitimna.

Slovenijo prodajamo, kot neokrnjeno državico, kjer vsak pozna vsakega, vsi so prijazni, povsod mir in tišina..

sej, totalna laž :lol:

^^ Mogoče v tvojem svetu. Turisti s katerimi sem se jaz pogovarjal bi Slovenijo opisali prav s temi besedami.

zato ker je prirejen prostor za njih in imajo mir ;)

Torej dobijo, kar je oglaševano. V čem je pol problem?

Vam tole pač ni zanimivo, ker vsak dan gledate. Nekoga iz velemesta pa verjetno ravno to facsinira.

Fino za teh 9%, to je samo dokaz, da bi lahko imeli še več od turizma, če bi se znali bolje promovirati!






Oprosti ampak ta tvoja izjava je res debilna! Tipična za slovenske zahojence, ki ničesar ne razumejo in ne znajo tržit čisto nobene stvari. Jaz sem dal nekaj primerov iz tujine, ti se pa kot tele zapičiš v to. Govorim o tem kako ne znajo v teh filmih prikazati prav nobenih zanimivih stvari in še tiste zanimive stvari, ki jih imamo v sloveniji izpadeje prav uboge ali jih pa sploh ne pokažejo. Promocija slovenije šepa in to ZELO ampak večina vas to itak nikoli ne bo dojela. Tipična slovenska zahojenost, kot na vseh ostalih področjih od gospodarstva do turizma.

Za začetek, jaz ne bi nikogar, s katerim se ne strinjam, označil z debilom. Razmisli malo.

Torej dobijo, kar je oglaševano. V čem je pol problem?

Kot sem že parkrat napisal, problem je v prodajanju laži in iluzij. Potem pa slovenci okoli po svet hodijo in so isto fascinirani nad mnogočim, ubistvu so pa tudi sami nategnjeni. Take neumnosti se da tudi na tem forumu premnogokrat prebrati.

Samo kako je loh iluzija, če to potem dejansko dobiš in si fasciniran?

Ok, bom iz druge smeri prišel. Kaj pove tak oglas o Sloveniji? Da se moramo tujcem lagati, da sploh lahko koga spravimo v našo državo? Ja še dobro, da večina ostane samo za dan, dva ali tri in da nimajo časa ugotoviti, kako brezvezni smo. Sej veste kaj mislim, zvečer se nič ne dogaja, ulice so prazne, morje je brezvezno, gore in gozd sta sploh smeh. Greš v turistično kmetijo pa še krave ne vidiš, greš s kolesom na pot pa manjkajo steze. Če nisi nek culture freak na galerije in muzeje lahko samo crkneš od dolgčasa dokler ne pride petek... Aja, sej še dobro da imamo Cviček in se ga lahko na zicu v lokalu natankajo in grejo spat. Samo škoda da lahko isto naredijo tudi povsod drugod.

očitno nimaš kaj dosti pojma o sloveniji.

in your pocket je ljubljano označil za eno bolj živahnih destinacij, v bovec hodi veliko ljudi zaradi adrenalinskih športov, rusi polnijo slovenske terme itd
včeraj sem še v iškem vintgarju slišal polno francosko, nemško, angleško govorečih, pa se mi ne zdi najbolj oglaševana destinacija slovenije.

ne rečem da je vse popolno in najboljše in oh in sploh ampak počasi se boš moral sprijazniti, da vsi ne gledajo na svet s tvojimi očmi in nimajo (nimamo) vsi istih prioritet kot ti.

Se praviFrancozi v svojih promo-filnih ne bi smeli prikazovati Eifflovega stopla, ker vsak dan prag gotovo ne gredo gor // Hrvati ne ribiških vasc, ker večina živi na celini // Španci ne bikoborb, ker se jih redko kdo še kdaj udeleži // Italjani praktično ničesar od kulture // Egipčane ne piramid, ker prav gotovo skoraj nihče izmed njih tam ne sveti // ...?

Sej promo-film ni dokumentarc o neki državi, ampak reklama, ki kaže najbolj posebne stvari, ki jih v državi lahko vidiš (če se potrudiš in ti je v interesu). pomoje nihče izmed ne-slovencev, ki so vidli zgornja filma, ne misli, da se pri nas šetajo divji konji in da plezamo po zvonikih. Kar se vina tiče pa zadeva niti ni daleč od resnice :)

Jaz govorim o tem, da vzamejo neko resnično stvar/podobo, potem pa si kar nekaj zmislijo da bolj zanimivo zgleda. Kot npr. basejumping z Eiffla, slavnostna večerja v areni po ubitju bika, realtime gladiatorske borbe v Koloseju itd... Zato ker je basejumping z Eiffla pač prepovedan, zato ker tistega bika s konsko vprego zvlečejo stran ne pa na žar butnejo in zato ker je še daleč najmanj možnosti, da se bodo gladiatorske tekme gledale v napol porušenem Koloseju.

Jaz govorim o tem, da vzamejo neko resnično stvar/podobo, potem pa si kar nekaj zmislijo da bolj zanimivo zgleda. Kot npr. basejumping z Eiffla, slavnostna večerja v areni po ubitju bika, realtime gladiatorske borbe v Koloseju itd... Zato ker je basejumping z Eiffla pač prepovedan, zato ker tistega bika s konsko vprego zvlečejo stran ne pa na žar butnejo in zato ker je še daleč najmanj možnosti, da se bodo gladiatorske tekme gledale v napol porušenem Koloseju.

Pa saj verjetno noben turist ne pričakuje, da bo z Eifflovega stolpa lahko skočil... Tako kot noben ne pričakuje, da bodo 15 minut po zaužitju tablete minile vse bolečine, da bo po enem pranju s posebnim praškom cela žehta snežno bela in da boš z enim hamburgerjem iz McDonald'sa nahranil pol Sudana (na tistih slikah zgledajo res veliki in dobri, vemo pa kaj dobiš)... Da ne govorimo o reklami za bonbone, kjer sedijo na mavrici...

In smo spet pri mojem predzadnjem postu. A smo res tako slaba roba, da se moramo s tako podlimi prijemi oglaševat? Kaj ne obstaja rek, da se dobra roba sama hvali... Recimo Opel Insignia se hvali s premičnimi žarometi. Ampak lejga zlomka, oni to dejansko imajo. Tudi Ford se hvali s samodejnim parkiranjem, pa si tega ni izmislil, ker to dejansko ima. Mi se moramo pa pretvarjat da imamo nekaj česar nimamo zato da bo čimveč folka nasedlo? Ja hudiča, pol pa res nismo daleč od McDonalds krepa :lol: :nuts:

BeliF, a maš muskelfiber od domačih del? :)

Ne. Sem preveč pošten da bi se lagal in goljufal očitno.

In smo spet pri mojem predzadnjem postu. A smo res tako slaba roba, da se moramo s tako podlimi prijemi oglaševat? Kaj ne obstaja rek, da se dobra roba sama hvali... Recimo Opel Insignia se hvali s premičnimi žarometi. Ampak lejga zlomka, oni to dejansko imajo. Tudi Ford se hvali s samodejnim parkiranjem, pa si tega ni izmislil, ker to dejansko ima. Mi se moramo pa pretvarjat da imamo nekaj česar nimamo zato da bo čimveč folka nasedlo? Ja hudiča, pol pa res nismo daleč od McDonalds krepa :lol: :nuts:

Moram priznat da sem prej zelo površno pogledal oba spota in sem komentiral samo komentarje... Zdaj sem pogledal oba... I Feel Slovenia se mi zdi čisto OK, prikaže to kar imamo, edino kar ne vidiš vsak dan je vodni smučar na Ljubljanici... Ta drugi, Diversity to discover mi pa sploh ni všeč... ogromno nekih stvari nametano... nametali so nekaj sloganov, npr. Climb out ki so ga podkrepili Martino Čufar, ki pleza po Piranskem zvoniku... Slide away z rolkarjem po vinogradu... na koncu so meli še malo časa, pa so dodali še kranjske čebele pa potico...

Meni se sicer zdi jasno, da so te neobičajne aktivnosti dodali za podkrepitev teh pisnih sloganov in po ogledu reklame ne bi pričakoval, da bom lahko plezal po zvonikih ali smučal med vinogradi, tako da tega ne bi označil za podle oglaševalske prijeme. Ampak všeč mi pa spot ni...

BeliF turizem je laž. To je dejstvo in pika. Ljubljana ni urejeno mesto. Ampak vsak turist bo videl urejeno mesto, ker ga drugo ne zanima. Nihče ne bo šel gledat Litostroja. Tudi ti, ko greš, kot turist nekam, greš za to, da vidiš šov, ki so ti ga pripravili. Recimo najpristnejši turizem so počitnice v resortih v Turčiji. Čista laž, tudi, ko te peljejo na oglede nekih stvari, ali pa na beduinske ''piknike'' v puščavi (se razume, da govorim zdej o severno afriških državah). Tisto niso pravi beduini. So samo eni normalni egipčani, ki so vsaj malo na približno kopirali šotore in kupili par kamel..
Laž se promovira z lažjo. In vse to, kar vidiš v teh reklamah ti oni uspešno prodajo, ker če boš šel tja in boš plačal, boš to tudi dobil. Zato, tisti, ki imajo malce pameti in razmišljanja in hočejo svojo destinacijo doživet, niso nikoli turisti. Gredo namreč v države, kjer ni turizma, ali pa gredo tja, kjer ni turizma. Recimo če primerjam s Slovenijo, pridejo sem in živijo nekje na Fužinah, pri kakemu znancu, ali čem podobnem in potem gredo kolesarit po okolici, se odpeljejo do Alp in gredo plezat (tapravi turisti bi seveda hoteli it plezat na piranski zvonik). Pač razmisliš in ti tega sranja ne morejo prodat. Recimo sam ne vidim nekega čara na svinjariji smrdečih Benetk. In tja enostavno ne grem več. Bi pa z veseljem šel raziskovat obrobje Trsta, ki je polno starih industrijskih obratov. =D

@oilpower, kako pa potem zagovarjaš kontinuirano rast turizma v Sloveniji? Če so vsi spoti tolk 'slovensko zahojeni' in se ne znamo promovirat? Še vedno pa nisem zasledil kaj konkretno bi ti dal v predstavitvene spote in s tem izboljšal promocijo?

Ok, bom iz druge smeri prišel. Kaj pove tak oglas o Sloveniji? Da se moramo tujcem lagati, da sploh lahko koga spravimo v našo državo? Ja še dobro, da večina ostane samo za dan, dva ali tri in da nimajo časa ugotoviti, kako brezvezni smo. Sej veste kaj mislim, zvečer se nič ne dogaja, ulice so prazne, morje je brezvezno, gore in gozd sta sploh smeh. Greš v turistično kmetijo pa še krave ne vidiš, greš s kolesom na pot pa manjkajo steze. Če nisi nek culture freak na galerije in muzeje lahko samo crkneš od dolgčasa dokler ne pride petek... Aja, sej še dobro da imamo Cviček in se ga lahko na zicu v lokalu natankajo in grejo spat. Samo škoda da lahko isto naredijo tudi povsod drugod.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Jaz pa dobim naslednji teden paket 6 Špancev... nekateri že drugič ali tretjič tukaj...vsi navdušeni..nad hribi...čistočo, jezerami...ne boš verjel celo nad morjem (en kolega je iz Kanarcev...drugič tukaj...in ko sem ga vprašal kam bi tokrat šel je najprej rekel: Piran + Mesečev zaliv!!!! pa tip sredi oceana živi!!!!!) ...no da nadaljujem: pa da kooooolk je fajn kolesarit po Sloveniji.... pa ta kooooooolk je super zvečer Ljubljana... pa da koooooooolk je fajn da v planinah krave vidiš ko se pasejo in poskusiš pravi planinski sir... V bistvu so vse prehvalili edino cvička ne! :lol: :lol:

Bedarije pišeš!

Heh, morda res bedarije pišem, ampak sčasoma se vedno izkaže da sem imel prav ;) V tem primeru bo to sicer bolj težko dokazat, ker je pač preveč ovc na svetu, ampak sej niti ne rabim potrdila...

@oilpower, kako pa potem zagovarjaš kontinuirano rast turizma v Sloveniji? Če so vsi spoti tolk 'slovensko zahojeni' in se ne znamo promovirat? Še vedno pa nisem zasledil kaj konkretno bi ti dal v predstavitvene spote in s tem izboljšal promocijo?

Vedno večja kupna moč kitajcev, indijcev in rusov kar ob upoštevanju želje po raznolikih počitnicah pomeni, da slej ko prej pridejo tudi sem. bdw, ko je bila recesija smo beležili upad gostov. Verjetno to ni bilo povezano s tem, da je slovenija čez noč postala grda, ampak z osebnimi financami.

edit: pa vizume za večino balkana smo tudi odpravili... srbi sedaj "množično" prihajajo v Slovenijo, ker je bilo to včasih pač precej težje.

hahahaha daj si malo poglej strukturo gostov, ne pa da nekaj nakladaš v tri dni

in ta kako se vedno izkaže da maš ti na koncu prav je tudi izjava tedna

no, sej nima veze, men se ne da več debatirat o tem.

seveda. potem ko se ujameš in ne moreš več nakladat se ti ne da več debatirat. še vedno pa npr ni bilo enega konstruktivnega predloga kako naj bi izgledal tak video.

Lej, dodano vrednost v turizmu se ustvarja tako, da prenoviš Rimske toplice in privlečeš nove turiste. To so tiste premične lučke na Oplovem avtu. S prodajanjem bučk v reklamah si bomo dolgoročno samo škodo delali. Jaz si niti slučajno ne predstavljam, da bi poskušal dobiti nov posel na podlagi bučk, bohnedaj, ker če bi me dobili, bi ostal brez dela. Od tu verjetno tudi moja prekomerna poštenost. Da gradbinci o tem nimajo pojma smo pa že videli in bomo še naprej. Hvalabogu za Strabag, se bojo vsaj kaj manir od tujcev naučili ;)

seveda. potem ko se ujameš in ne moreš več nakladat se ti ne da več debatirat. še vedno pa npr ni bilo enega konstruktivnega predloga kako naj bi izgledal tak video.

Sem ga videl ko sem v Španiji živel in se skoraj zjokal :)

link (http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/paraisos-cercanos/paraisos-cercanos-eslovenia-pais-tres-cabezas/837407/)
Glede videa(ov) se strinjam z Beliefom, da so bolj kot ne slabi...oziroma preveč dobri za povprečnega turista... Tur. spot mora zgledat kot ena razglednica s fajno muziko, ritmom in sloganom in to je to.....

Ena najboljših reklam, za katero državo, mi je črnogorska:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig17x6O8TjM

Pa to kljub temu, da tam verjetno ženske ne letajo po zraku...



Dodajam še eno turško:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlQTxwZhbXQ&feature=related

Pa še za košarskarsko svetovno prvenstvo (tudi Turčija):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI45Q86oWBY

Seveda je Črnogorska najboljša, če je pa plod slovenske domišljije =D Dejansko je fantastična. Maš neko gospodično(in orla), ki plava skozi Črno goro, ki je obmorska država, tam lahko bordaš, jadraš, plavaš, se sončiš, raziskuješ mesta, leži na Mediteranu in je majhna, da lahko vse obiščeš v nekaj dneh. To je dobra reklama. Ubistvu ti pove ogromno stvari na enostaven in povezan način. Luna to pač obvlada.

Lej, dodano vrednost v turizmu se ustvarja tako, da prenoviš Rimske toplice in privlečeš nove turiste. To so tiste premične lučke na Oplovem avtu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSoJ5XNN00Y

A to je ta reklama?

Avto tle not ma kao lepo bejbe (kao ker ne vem če je, gotovo pa je model modelka), ogromne litke, verjetno je opc line, pa sveti se, ko da so ga med kadri glanca (no sej verjetno so ga). Zdej pa poglej kakšna je standardna Insignia (taka za 20k, ne taka za 40k).


S prodajanjem bučk v reklamah si bomo dolgoročno samo škodo delali. Jaz si niti slučajno ne predstavljam, da bi poskušal dobiti nov posel na podlagi bučk, bohnedaj, ker če bi me dobili, bi ostal brez dela. Od tu verjetno tudi moja prekomerna poštenost. Da gradbinci o tem nimajo pojma smo pa že videli in bomo še naprej. Hvalabogu za Strabag, se bojo vsaj kaj manir od tujcev naučili ;)

A to ta isti Strabag v katerem dela Lidija Žagar :lol:

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zanimiv filmček o Sloveniji

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/paraisos-cercanos/paraisos-cercanos-eslovenia-pais-tres-cabezas/837407/

Ravno zadnjič smo debatiral s kolegi, da tisti turist, ki je pred 2-3 leti bil v Ljubljani..
..se je TOTALNO zajebal. =D Mogoče ne bi bilo slabo poslat ven ene reklame, LJ prej-potem... =D