^^

Oh, God. Are these pics from the perifery of the city, hope it's not the downtown. :ohno:

Actually, i'd like to see some of those colors here. Anythings better than more Sandstone Red and Yellow-Beige.

http://www.esiweb.org/balkanexpress/images/albania/tirana.jpg
this one on the left is quite good

Right. But many people judge it by the boring post-war buildings of the former Federal Government. A big mistake! Bonn has some really nice places.

Some words about mediterranean cityscapes:
I like that chaos. Sometimes it looks a bit 'rotten' from above, but the street views are mostly nice.


okay, that could be. :)

^^

Oh, God. Are these pics from the perifery of the city, hope it's not the downtown. :ohno:



This is downtown Tirana
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2445/3707620267_13a04008b4_b.jpg

And skyline
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2787/8284981xb8.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7201/1403278331fe96e7d3eb4tx.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1305/1100507952_a166de1ad1_b.jpg


With many famous architects that are coming to Tirana. It's going to look a whole lot nicer in the future.
http://www.tirana.gov.al/common/images/Picture3.jpg

Gelsenkirchen, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Kaiserslautern :puke:

Gelsenkirchen, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Kaiserslautern :puke:

Zum Glück hast du diese Städte schon ausführlich bereist und kennst die Hintergründe, warum es städtebaulich nicht so gut steht im Ruhrgebiet. Oder sollte dies nicht der Fall gewesen sein?
Immerhin habe ich durch dein Post erstmals in meinem Leben etwas von Siegsdorf gelesen und muss sagen, dass ich in diesem Landschaftsfliegenschiss um kein Geld der Welt leben wollte, da hilft auch keine kitschige Postkartenidylle.
Salzburg 25 km entfernt, Bad Reichenhall 30 km, wie weit muss der Mensch denn fahren, wenn er mal ein paar größere Einkäufe machen muss?
Ich bin froh, dass ich dazu kaum mein Auto brauche. Und wenn ich Besuch von außerhalb bekomme, wundert sich mancher, dass es in gelsenkirchen doch nicht so schrecklich hässlich ist, wie die stereotypen Klischees immer gerne Glauben machen.
Damit du dir ein ungefähres Bild davon machen kannst, warum ich hier gerne lebe, zeige ich dir quasi mein Haus, auch wenn es auf dem folgenden Bild im Ausschnitt rechts neben dem Rathaus (Gebäude mit dem Turm) nicht genau auszumachen ist:

http://www.luftbild-archiv.de/a/m-338w.jpg

Ansonsten wünsche ich viel Freude beim Klischeedreschen ........

uiuiui, da scheint einer aber ganz schön frustriert zu sein :lol:
(das wird doch nicht wohl das Stadtbild abfärben? :shifty:)

...die Hintergründe, warum es städtebaulich nicht so gut steht im Ruhrgebiet..Hat mit diesem Thema NULL zu tun. Und ehrlich gesagt interessiert mich das gerade auch nicht!

Immerhin habe ich durch dein Post erstmals in meinem Leben etwas von Siegsdorf gelesen und muss sagen, dass ich in diesem Landschaftsfliegenschiss um kein Geld der Welt leben wollte, da hilft auch keine kitschige Postkartenidylle. Der Teil gefällt mir am besten ^^ :lol: Wenn einem keine Argumente einfallen, einfach mal draufhauen. mami mami der Typ hat Gelsenkirchen beleidigt :O


Salzburg 25 km entfernt, Bad Reichenhall 30 km, wie weit muss der Mensch denn fahren, wenn er mal ein paar größere Einkäufe machen muss?Zum Glück hast du diese Städte schon ausführlich bereist und kennst die Hintergründe, wie man hier so einkaufen kann. 5 Minuten nach Traunstein, weiter muss ich nicht :) Ansonsten halt DSL nech, gibts sowas in GE?


Einen wunderschönen Abend noch

PS: lieber Fliegenschiss als Hundehaufen

uiuiui, da scheint einer aber ganz schön frustriert zu sein :lol:
(das wird doch nicht wohl das Stadtbild abfärben? :shifty:)

Hat mit diesem Thema NULL zu tun. Und ehrlich gesagt interessiert mich das gerade auch nicht!

Der Teil gefällt mir am besten ^^ :lol: Wenn einem keine Argumente einfallen, einfach mal draufhauen. mami mami der Typ hat Gelsenkirchen beleidigt :O

Zum Glück hast du diese Städte schon ausführlich bereist und kennst die Hintergründe, wie man hier so einkaufen kann. 5 Minuten nach Traunstein, weiter muss ich nicht :) Ansonsten halt DSL nech, gibts sowas in GE?


Einen wunderschönen Abend noch

PS: lieber Fliegenschiss als Hundehaufen

1. Wenn ich frustriert wäre, hätte ich bestimmt mich hier nicht zu Wort zu diesem Thema gemeldet. Verärgert wäre eher richtig. JEDE Stadt hat eine Sonnen- und eine Schattenseite, selbst solche gehypten Metropolen wie München und Düsseldorf. Vor allem letztere kenne ich ein wenig, das gibt es Ecken, die unterscheiden sich nicht wesentlich von Schalke-Nord.
2. Ich will nicht bestreiten, dass GE keine schöne Stadt ist. Allerdings ist GE im Vergleich zu zahlreichen britischen Städten schon fast ein Kleinod des Städtebaus, ich empfehle eine Reise durch die verfallenen Vororte von Birmingham, um nur ein Beispiel zu nennen. Im Gegensatz zu diesen Orten gibt es bei uns z.B. KEINE sog. NO GO Areas!
3. Nein, hier in GE gibt es natürlich kein DSL, wäre auch schwierig, in einer der größten Agglomerationen Europas ein vernünftiges Kabel- und Verteilernetz hinzubekommen:ohno:
4. Wie kann man bitte Traunstein als Einkaufsstadt bezeichnen? Dagegen ist ja das Angebot bei uns ja fast als 5th Avenue zu bezeichnen. Versuch nicht, das Gegenteil zu behaupten, ich war schon in TS! Nettes Städtchen, keine Frage, aber urbanes Leben? No way!#
5. Ich denke, du kennst das Lied "Penny Lane" von den Beatles, sie beschreiben ja bekanntlich in diesem Lied ihr Heimatgefühl für die Penny Lane in Liverpool. Und die Penny Lane ist alles- aber nicht schön.
Heimat ist ein Gefühl und kein Zustand.
Deshald liebst du deinen Fliegenschiss und ich meinen Hundehaufen.

speak ENGLISH

I want to vote for Wien, it is pretty ugly and jammed city without a historical(maybe modern too) waterfront(I don´t know how to translate "nábrežie" from Slovak lang and google translator translated it, maybe I can translate it as a riverside).
By the way, Austria is in the western Europe, isn´t it?

For me:

Germany:
East-Berlin (if being considered western europe)
Mannheim

France:
Marseille

Belgium (Wallonie):
Charleroi

Spain:
Malaga

England:
Leeds

Scotland:
Glasgow

Italy:
Genova
Mestre

Sweden:
Gothenburg

I want to vote for Wien, it is pretty ugly and jammed city without a historical(maybe modern too) waterfront(I don´t know how to translate "nábrežie" from Slovak lang and google translator translated it, maybe I can translate it as a riverside).
By the way, Austria is in the western Europe, isn´t it?

You're joking, right?

For me:

France:
Marseille

?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/3697597073_f6d7053047.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3697583147_d84d32f21c.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3699730591_ed5dc7380c.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3488/3699857461_5dfd83df1b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/3702483759_3ce0b6f1ec.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2552/3699757953_d4582b1fd0.jpg

If you want to see more:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keltose/sets/72157620976089583/

I am not sure if Sweden is in Western Europe, but I have a thing for Uddevalla, a town between Gothenburg and Oslo, though it stems from the gloom and despair of being stranded there rather than pointing to some ugly buildings in particular. For the same reason Catania, Italy is on my list.

That said, the tourist coast in Spain is stunningly ugly.

I think the ugliest cities in Western Europe are many large cities in United Kingdom and Germany.

I think the ugliest cities in Western Europe are many large cities in United Kingdom and Germany.

You are right.Most cities in Germany and United Kingdom are built of houses for workers ("Gastarbeiter") with long commieblocks etc.In Germany historical cores of many cities are bombed in the second world war.After that "Minimalism" Architecture replaced them.Many cities have no social life outside the "core".People go to work and come home to sit.Also you cannot compare the core of the city in social life and colorful life-style to mediterran cities.No way !!

You are right.Most cities in Germany and United Kingdom are built of houses for workers ("Gastarbeiter") with long commieblocks etc.In Germany historical cores of many cities are bombed in the second world war.After that "Minimalism" Architecture replaced them.Many cities have no social life outside the "core".People go to work and come home to sit.Also you cannot compare the core of the city in social life and colorful life-style to mediterran cities.No way !!

Man you are so knowledgable..wtf are you doing on the internet.You should be secretary-general of the UN.:lol:

That said, the tourist coast in Spain is stunningly ugly.

I agree. In the Spanish Mediterranean coast there is no city that is worth, except for Barcelona and Valencia.

However, in Spain we have very beautiful cities in the interior: Seville, Granada, Toledo, Santiago de Compostela, Salamanca ...


You are right.Most cities in Germany and United Kingdom are built of houses for workers ("Gastarbeiter") with long commieblocks etc.In Germany historical cores of many cities are bombed in the second world war.After that "Minimalism" Architecture replaced them.Many cities have no social life outside the "core".People go to work and come home to sit.Also you cannot compare the core of the city in social life and colorful life-style to mediterran cities.No way !!

You don't think all cities of Mediterranean Europe are beautiful. You should know Albacete and Ciudad Real (Spain), who have lost 99% of its monuments. Or Benidorm, Valladolid, Guadalajara... Many districts of Madrid are very ugly.


And in United Kingdom and Germany are quite beautiful small cities.

I want to vote for Wien, it is pretty ugly and jammed city without a historical(maybe modern too) waterfront(I don´t know how to translate "nábrežie" from Slovak lang and google translator translated it, maybe I can translate it as a riverside).
By the way, Austria is in the western Europe, isn´t it?

It is, but Vienna is one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

Benidorm and other tourist cities in Spain and Italy. Also Mestre, a part of Venice (in the past independent city) is one of the ugliest cities in Europe.
In Germany the ugliest are commie-cities like Frankfurt/Oder, Polish ugliest cities are Sosnowiec, some parts of Warsaw and Jastrzebie-Zdroj. Also in Great Britain are hundrets of ugly towns.

& Katowice is rather ugly town too.

Benidorm and other tourist cities in Spain and Italy. Also Mestre, a part of Venice (in the past independent city) is one of the ugliest cities in Europe.
In Germany the ugliest are commie-cities like Frankfurt/Oder, Polish ugliest cities are Sosnowiec, some parts of Warsaw and Jastrzebie-Zdroj. Also in Great Britain are hundrets of ugly towns.

hundreds?:nuts:

lots of people said Benidorm is the ugliest spanish citys but i dont Think it is so extremely ugly



http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/196/benidorm0366fb4.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/8813/benidorm0367yw7.jpg


http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2579/benidormnoche0018ie2.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2397/benidormnoche0019mu9.jpg

The setting is beautiful, but the city looks like Moscow or something.

^^More like Rio

I want to vote for Wien, it is pretty ugly and jammed city without a historical(maybe modern too) waterfront(I don´t know how to translate "nábrežie" from Slovak lang and google translator translated it, maybe I can translate it as a riverside).
By the way, Austria is in the western Europe, isn´t it?

What an ignorant post. :ohno: I haven't heard ONE person say that Vienna was an ugly city, in my whole life...until now. Because...guess what? It actually is one of the most beautiful cities.

& Katowice is rather ugly town too.

Warsaw isn't better ;)

Yes, it is.

Benidorm is a complete winner... when you reach there, you see a huge shadowed beach half the day. Very useful. It hurts any stomach!!!

The ugliest city has to be Charleroi, Belgium. It looks like something you'd find in Kazakhstan. Benidorm is pretty hideous too.

lots of people said Benidorm is the ugliest spanish citys but i dont Think it is so extremely ugly

You couldn't've found better pics. Try this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2f/Benidorm_desde_el_mar_02_JMM.JPG/800px-Benidorm_desde_el_mar_02_JMM.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Benidorm_skyline.jpg

Benidorm looks so attractive. I don't understand how a skyscraper/urbanization fan consider it ugly. I've bored to see European cities that are full with neo-classical, artdeco architecture. Overdose art started to make me bored. Benidorm's characterless buildings give an impression to me that the lifestyle is so lively and cool, on the other hand too much quality architecture turns the city into a showcase that looks unreal and lifeless, just like a museum.

For me, the British cities are the most ugliest.
Italians cities are the most beautiful :D

A great deal of Berlin is just ugly.
After WWII much of the city's beauty was lost and replaced with dull modern architecture.
Most of Europe has a beautiful place somewhere, usually an older place, but 'modern' Europe just plain sucks.

^^ Like Belgrade.
After WWII Belgrade was totally destroyed. The most beautiful buildings was destroyed and now on this places are many commies :(

For me, the British cities are the most ugliest.
Italians cities are the most beautiful :D

another well educated balkanite tosser with a chip on his shoulder..do they breed you retards in factories there?:ohno:

^^ :?

There are not many ugly cities in Western Europe. I cant think of one actualy.
There are a lot of ugly cities in eastern Europe maybe most of them because a lot of them are built out of communism.

There are not many ugly cities in Western Europe. I cant think of one actualy.
There are a lot of ugly cities in eastern Europe maybe most of them because a lot of them are built out of communism.

indeed communism is such a bad building material all this redish red with red you go nuts! :ohno:

indeed communism is such a bad building material all this redish red with red you go nuts! :ohno:
I think you understood what I meant, no need to be sarcastic:hahano:

If Poland is so great why are all your people here
hahahahahahahahahaha

Oldham must be pretty crowded then.

I dont mind the Pole's and Czech's in Oldham there are quite a lot of them, they just get on with it and dont cause a fuss. Hard working people, I know this by fact as many Pole's and Czech's work at my works.

Benidorm is quite ugly indeed, but I still prefer it over the vast majority of "beach tourism" spots in Spain. Its urban planning is quite good, in fact it was one of the first Spanish villages (in the early 60's it was only a small village) to have a decent urban plan.

Also, due to its high density, the resources are optimized. For instance, the response time of the emergency services, such as police or ambulances, are much shorter than in any other random tourist city in Spain. It's also true though that it has very few wide avenues. Still, the buildings are not too close to eachother and there's no sense of oppression. Places like Torrevieja are equally ugly and moreover full of small blocks of 5-6 floors separated by narrow streets plenty of cars.

I personally don't consider Benidorm especially ugly compared to any of those tourist cities as Torrevieja, Salou or Torremolinos. It's not that I like those fugly masses, but they're supposed to be places where the people goes to rest, sunbath or get drunk. Sure that they could've been made better, but lots of them were built in the 60's and 70's, when the aesthetic aspect meant nothing for the developers compared to the thirst for money.

Having said this, I have to admit that I don't know why the people still go to those masified places where you have to fight for a plot of sand. It's not my idea of holidays.

Benidorm:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z58/ciceron00/benidorm1.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z58/ciceron00/benidorm2.jpg


Torrevieja:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z58/ciceron00/torrevieja.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z58/ciceron00/torrevieja2.jpg

Benidorm is a complete winner... when you reach there, you see a huge shadowed beach half the day. Very useful. It hurts any stomach!!!

Are you sure it was Benidorm? because Benidorm's beachfront is facing south, and buildings are in the north of the beach, so the buildings NEVER shadow the beach, only in the first 2 hours in the morning in summer, the eastern side of the beach receives some shadow. But also, this region of Spain, the south of the mediterranean coast, is the place with most hours of sun a year in western Europe, around 3000, so you complain about Benidorm's beach been very shadowed, when in fact, it's probably the sunniest urban beach in western Europe, so congratulations for such an intelligent post.
This proves some people hates Benidorm for reasons they imagine, but never happen.

I think Zurich is, because they do everything to be the opposite, the city with the best 'quality of live' in the world... can read that every day in the newspaper... How morbid!

Anyway, to be seriously now. I know what some of you guys her mean about british citys. I feel rather bad when i drive through this industrial suburbs with its endless lanes of victorian houses, with dark red bricks, and horrible commies between, BUT:
I love LONDON, special the central parts, maybe because it is a bit chaotic? And London is the most groovyest City in the World!!! And the amount of nice Parks in the middle of the city are amazing! Though Brighton and Hastings, and i guess also other coasttowns can be really nice in England!!

I am surprised no one has mentioned Oslo. It is pretty ugly and extremely boring, not too mention EXTREMELY expensive. That Oslo Town Hall is one of the ugliest buildings I have ever seen. Most other buildings are very bland and dull, and I even found the royal palace to be really boring. Norway also needs to do something about how expensive everything is there. When you're in an ugly city and everything is so expensive, you want to get the hell out really quickly.

Whoever said London is an ugly city though is just wrong. To me, it is perhaps the most beautiful city in Europe. It is full of beautiful parks and all sorts of colours and has a vast range of different buildings in all sorts of different architectural styles. I just love London! :)

Paris is also very beautiful, however I just got really annoyed by how monotone the city was. Everything seemed to constantly be that white/grey colour, and it almost stressed me, especially after coming from such a colourful city like London. Paris, on the one hand, was too beautiful, yet at the same time, the colours, or I mean lack of colour, makes a city a little bit bland also.

I think Rotterdam is quite a boring city with nothing particularly special about it, but after coming from Amsterdam, it is understandable to see why, since Amsterdam is extremely wonderful.

I find that lots of southern European cities seem to have too much grafiti. While I love Lisbon, the amount of grafiti in that city was crazy. I think at one stage, every single building I saw had some form of grafiti on it. But I just treated it as part of its character, so it was nice. Rome is also a beautiful city, but again, too much grafiti and too much traffic and cars makes it a bit hard to fully appreciate it.

Helsinki is not an ugly city, though many Finns who don't live in Helsinki seem to hate it. It's actually quite beautiful and yet simple. The outside cities like Vantaa and Espoo however are very ugly, especially Espoo. For the remaining Finnish cities, they do tend to be rather ugly and full of ugly 60-70s box kind of architecture. Commieblocks are in every Finnish city, but on the plus, it preserves nature and I prefer them to sprawly houses that would take up too much space.

Are you sure it was Benidorm? because Benidorm's beachfront is facing south, and buildings are in the north of the beach, so the buildings NEVER shadow the beach, only in the first 2 hours in the morning in summer, the eastern side of the beach receives some shadow. But also, this region of Spain, the south of the mediterranean coast, is the place with most hours of sun a year in western Europe, around 3000, so you complain about Benidorm's beach been very shadowed, when in fact, it's probably the sunniest urban beach in western Europe, so congratulations for such an intelligent post.
This proves some people hates Benidorm for reasons they imagine, but never happen.

you are right, benidorm seafront is facing the south but the sunset in summer time is in northwest (remember 24 hours of daylight in the north pole) so all the beach is shaded by the tall buildings from 430 or 5 in the afternoon.

I am surprised no one has mentioned Oslo.

I'd agree about Oslo. Completely disagree about London. I once lived there, and there's absolutely no way I'd take a job there again. I also don't know what people see in Amsterdam: it's liveable, it has decent public transport, parks etc., but it's one of the plainest places I've seen. In other words, nothing special.

My personal list of ugliest cities in Western Europe, from worst
* Saarbrücken (ugly highway at one river edge, 70's crap architecture at the other, no parks, no unusual architecture)
* Antwerpen (oh, God...)
* the Hague (blocks, blocks, tram, blocks, or Eastern Europe with immigrants)
* Essen, and some other "pearls of Ruhrgebiet" (destroyed by crazy industrial development, and finished by the cocaine-sniffing 70's developers).
* Amsterdam (plain, boring, monotonous)
* Hannover (plain, boring, monotonous)
* London (chaotic, too individualist, not a city*)

Before any of you start bashing about London, what I mean is that it's not a city, but a conurbation. It doesn't have a center in the European and North American sense, hence it's not my place.

Amsterdam? Probably one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.

you are right, benidorm seafront is facing the south but the sunset in summer time is in northwest (remember 24 hours of daylight in the north pole) so all the beach is shaded by the tall buildings from 430 or 5 in the afternoon.
In the worst case, the 21th of June, the sun comes exactly from the west at 6pm, so only from that hour the start moving south, and it takes at least 1 hour to turn south enough to reach the beach, and that's in the western side of Levante beach, but in that place the buildings begin to be lower, like 7 floors or so, the other places of the beach faces south with a little angle to west, so it takes longer to shadows to reach the beach. That's on June 21th, in May and July that happens 15 minutes later, and in April and August in takes one more hour to reach the beach. I'm quite used to do that kind of works
http://lh3.google.com/Atsergio/R3t69F7vjUI/AAAAAAAAAr4/p3ErcG-rn28/s400/iso88591QCartaestereogrE1fica40.jpg

Here you can see the angle of the beach and how buildings are lower in the first streets in the left, and from the half to the right the beach has an slight angle to the west so shadows takes one extra hour to reach the beach.
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z58/ciceron00/benidorm1.jpg

^^ this pic has been taken in the morning. see the shadows of the buildings.

http://www.csic.es/unawe/Actividades/PUESTA%20SOL%20REVISADO.pdf
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4659/dibujoyrk.jpg

If Poland is so great why are all your people here
hahahahahahahahahaha

Only because of the beauty of English cities and equally beautiful English girls....haha...ha.

There are not many ugly cities in Western Europe. I cant think of one actualy.
There are a lot of ugly cities in eastern Europe maybe most of them because a lot of them are built out of communism.


How many, either eastern or western European ones have you seen?
If you are saying " not many " means must be some. If you cannot think of one, just go around and look, go 20 miles ahead and check next to you city, go a hundred miles north and you will see another but incredibly similar piece of architecture. There is no difference between them at all. All of them are just boring, lacking character, every town centre looks the same.

My first ugliest ten: Manchester, Leeds, Shefield, Southampton, Birmingham, Liverpool. Then another British ones: Glasgow, Cardiff. And English again: Greater London ( excluding Westminster, Richmond and City ) Milton Keynes.

And English again: Greater London ( excluding Westminster, Richmond and City ) Milton Keynes.

and excluding hamstead of course

If Athens is considered in western Europe, you 've got your answer

Isn't geographically Athens more toward Eastern Europe. I guess some consider it Western Europe because Eastern Europe is equated synonymously with communism.

It's in the Orthodox civilisation thus Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europe is mainly Slavic, orthodox and used to be communist, so only 1 out of 3.

Greeks are not slavic:dunno: I always thought you were at least to some extent...

Me too, damn, we are soulmates

^^ this pic has been taken in the morning. see the shadows of the buildings.

http://www.csic.es/unawe/Actividades/PUESTA%20SOL%20REVISADO.pdf
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4659/dibujoyrk.jpg
lo sé, y también sé muy bien por donde sale el sol ¬¬, solo puse la foto para que se viera la orientación de la linea de costa

How many, either eastern or western European ones have you seen?
If you are saying " not many " means must be some. If you cannot think of one, just go around and look, go 20 miles ahead and check next to you city, go a hundred miles north and you will see another but incredibly similar piece of architecture. There is no difference between them at all. All of them are just boring, lacking character, every town centre looks the same.

My first ugliest ten: Manchester, Leeds, Shefield, Southampton, Birmingham, Liverpool. Then another British ones: Glasgow, Cardiff. And English again: Greater London ( excluding Westminster, Richmond and City ) Milton Keynes.

Warsaw is the ugliest ,most horrible and grim city ive ever seen.It beggars belive that such horrible cities are built ..it is the ultimate tinpot commie hole.It is truely vile.

Warsaw is the ugliest ,most horrible and grim city ive ever seen.It beggars belive that such horrible cities are built ..it is the ultimate tinpot commie hole.It is truely vile.Open a thread about the ugliest Polish city and stop trolling.

Open a thread about the ugliest Polish city and stop trolling.

Im just stating my opinion.Growing up in a western democracy we are allowed freedom of speech.Ive visited Warsaw and it was an unremittingly depressing,grim,ugly,miserable and souless place.Unfortunately like most of eastern europe.

Im just stating my opinion.Growing up in a western democracy we are allowed freedom of speech.

We aren't in a western democracy, we're on SSC, where trolling and spamming (talking about Warsaw in a Western European thread) is not allowed. SSC membership isn't one of human rights.

Im just stating my opinion.Growing up in a western democracy we are allowed freedom of speech.Ive visited Warsaw and it was an unremittingly depressing,grim,ugly,miserable and souless place.Unfortunately like most of eastern europe.

In particular, the UK allows you speak freely - excluding political correctness - of course.
Basically, Warsaw is more Central than Eastern European city. Being precise Warsaw has already been voted ugliest city in Europe. Anyway, we should not speak about that place here. I showed my opinion related to this thread several posts before and can see that some other users would agree with it. I dare to say that something about ugliness must lay among British cities as I am not alone in my thoughts.

I would even say that Britain as an island is really beautiful if we do not take into attention Briton's architecture.

In particular, the UK allows you speak freely - excluding political correctness - of course.
Basically, Warsaw is more Central than Eastern European city. Being precise Warsaw has already been voted ugliest city in Europe. Anyway, we should not speak about that place here. I showed my opinion related to this thread several posts before and can see that some other users would agree with it. I dare to say that something about ugliness must lay among British cities as I am not alone in my thoughts.

I would even say that Britain as an island is really beautiful if we do not take into attention Briton's architecture.

its Britain you stupid boxheaded moron..'briton' denotes an inhabitant of the British isles.Just shut your ignorant mouth, you are another jealous pole with a chip on your shoulder.London alone has more beautiful buildings and interesting architecture of every style and period than the whole of your tinpot commie country.Idiot..take your pathetic eastern european inferiority complex and stick it where the sun doesnt shine you tedious fool. Poland is a huge turd infested dump.

its Britain you stupid boxheaded moron..'briton' denotes an inhabitant of the British isles.Just shut your ignorant mouth, you are another jealous pole with a chip on your shoulder.London alone has more beautiful buildings and interesting architecture of every style and period than the whole of your tinpot commie country.Idiot..take your pathetic eastern european inferiority complex and stick it where the sun doesnt shine you tedious fool. Poland is a huge turd infested dump.


You are in fact a polonophobic bigot and racist and you will be removed from this forum. you are an insult to the otherwise open-minded and sophisticated British that I have generally had the pleasure of dealing with. In Canada you would be arrested for hate crime. I have alerted the authorities to keep watch for any attacks against Poles this week as they may be traceable to the virulent hatred you are disgracefully spouting here.

most poles i met in north american and here in europe tend to be nice people and they are hard workers,and very proud of their lovely cultural heritage:)
i am impressed with how beautiful poland is as well :)

Isn't geographically Athens more toward Eastern Europe. I guess some consider it Western Europe because Eastern Europe is equated synonymously with communism.

geopolitically greece is western europe :)

:lol:You are in fact a polonophobic bigot and racist and you will be removed from this forum. you are an insult to the otherwise open-minded and sophisticated British that I have generally had the pleasure of dealing with. In Canada you would be arrested for hate crime. I have alerted the authorities to keep watch for any attacks against Poles this week as they may be traceable to the virulent hatred you are disgracefully spouting here.

im really impressed that you know long words! You must be dead clever!:nuts: im just pissed off because of the ignorance of poles and most eastern europeans on ssc who needlessly insult my country all the time.oooooh 'youve alerted the authorities' you little hitler.nuts:I would be arrested for hate crime? Really what for exactly you plum?for calling someone a boxhead? Well canada must be a very odd place..while youre at remove that carrot you' ve got up your arse you condescending pompous prig twat.

no, you are a hateful racist, the kind that made hitler (the one responsible for Warsaw's ugliness) possible and you will be dealt with. this is where it starts.

If Poland is so great why are all your people here
hahahahahahahahahaha


Only because of the beauty of English cities and equally beautiful English girls....haha...ha.

Ouch! :lol:

its Britain you stupid boxheaded moron..'briton' denotes an inhabitant of the British isles.

This is what I said.
Briton's architecture- if I am correct means: made by Britons, is not it?
I did not want to say about whole British one because I do not consider Roman share in British architecture, being often found on British Isles, as ugly.
I love castles in Scotland and southern seaside resorts as well. I am really impressed of city of Bath. It is an architecture pearl and one of the most fabulous city I have seen.
But this thread is not about lovely British cities neither Polish jealousy.

Mostly Englishmen are proper gentlemen who do not shout when have nothing to say, unfortunately you are an exception who should rather make a noise on football stadium or Kate Price's boobs forum.

no, you are a hateful racist, the kind that made hitler (the one responsible for Warsaw's ugliness) possible and you will be dealt with. this is where it starts.http://www.generally-speaking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Internet-Warrior.jpg

This is what I said.
Briton's architecture- if I am correct means: made by Britons, is not it?
I did not want to say about whole British one because I do not consider Roman share in British architecture, being often found on British Isles, as ugly.
I love castles in Scotland and southern seaside resorts as well. I am really impressed of city of Bath. It is an architecture pearl and one of the most fabulous city I have seen.
But this thread is not about lovely British cities neither Polish jealousy.

Mostly Englishmen are proper gentlemen who do not shout when have nothing to say, unfortunately you are an exception who should rather make a noise on football stadium or Kate Price's boobs forum.

Thats just poor English.I dont think you know enough about our Cities to comment to be honest.A lot of dross was built in the post war period as stuff had to be built quickly to replace damage sustained during the war but most of these poor buildings are being replaced.We are very proud of our country and we just dont appreciate the often petty and snide comments ( which i believe stems from a historical jealousy) that is often found from eastern europeans.I find you a peculiar lot with little or no sense of humour to be honest.Anyway good luck to you im sure Poland is a magical paradise populated by flaxen haired amazon goddesses and goldern unicorns.I must visit.:banana:

I must visit
Haven't you been in Warsaw recently to say how ugly it is?
Anyway who cares really Britain is more beautifull, developed etc. you won, just shut up already.

Poland & England:

It seems that leebuk2005 and GreenwichSE10, are the same person, if yes or not, this is for them, for you :


I'm French and for me Paris is more beautiful than London, but it's only my opinion, and about Polish cities ans English cities, well here again when i see
Polish cities like Gdansk, Poznan, Krakov, Torun, etc ... and many more ....
well, again for me Polish cities are more beautiful than English cities because
many Polish cities were built by Italians, Germans, etc ... so architecturally Polish cities are richer because of Baroque, Gothique ... all these styles, you can find all of them in all cities in Poland.

For me Poland's cities are very beautiful, for exemple Gdansk is like Amsterdam, Krakov like Prague, etc ...

Warsaw's old Town with the the new town and the big royal way are marvelously beautiful, the 3 part of the city are big and great, so if you said
Warsaw is ugly - it's like saying all London is ugly !

Every city has some parts which are beautiful and some parts which are ugly !

Your arguments about Poland are very poor, your answers aren't very intelligent.

If you were in Warsaw, and if you're so clever, haw can you said that Warsaw is grey, what about the colorful old TOWN , which is big, etc ... ?

Do you really know Europe ? I think no, because you wrote in Wester Europe there is not really ugly cities !:nuts: are you sure ? I think that it's the contrary !

And in eastern europe, all cities are ugly ? :nuts: are you sure ?
Because for example : st Petersburg, Prague, Budapest, Wroclaw, Krakow, Gdansk, Olomouc, and many many others .... are very splendid cities = here again all your arguments are stupid, because in all Europe you find beautiful and ugly cities !

You wrote that in Eastern Europe, cities are ugly because cities here were built in communist period ! No, by that time, cities were reconstructed, like they were before the 2nd war : warsaw's old city, Gdansk, etc ....


Well you're knowledge = 0 :nuts: sorry !

Here you can see Poland :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=222812&page=18

http://www.generally-speaking.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Internet-Warrior.jpg

Actually, didn't want to make you jealous - I know how insecure polonophobes can be, this is me:

http://www.fortunecity.com/village/montgomery/614/pics/hot-army-guy.jpg

...and I'll meet in the school yard at your high school whenever you want. Just don't bring all your friends - we Poles prefer a fair fight, the kind we usually win.

Actually, didn't want to make you jealous - I know how insecure polonophobes can be, this is me:

http://www.fortunecity.com/village/montgomery/614/pics/hot-army-guy.jpg
FAIL!!!
...and I'll meet in the school yard at your high school whenever you want. Just don't bring all your friends - we Poles prefer a fair fight, the kind we usually win.

fine call me when your in london.i live in Greenwich,SE10 and can be found in The Trafalgar tavern on fridays afer work.Come about 6ish..see you there tough guy.

Ok, see you there, but don't have any of your drag queens hanging about - I know they fight dirty.

Ok, see you there, but don't have any of your drag queens hanging about - I know they fight dirty.
ok..oh i dont drink with your brother and dad anymore..so there will be no drag queens.:cheers:

Ta ta :cheers:

Don't forget to make a video.

Ok, now I'm really getting hot and bothered.:naughty:

SSC should have been unaccessible for underclass cheaters and
low - minders. People whose only intention is to offend others. Let someone take it under control and pull out the weeds out of here, or just erase all offensive comments!

GreenwichSE10 and Urbanista1 calm down cmon don't be silly

I did not utter any ethnic or racist slurs - my last posts were just an effort to inject some humour. I had ask Jan the moderator to simply eliminate the racist comments by GreenwichSE10, but he has done nothing yet.

SSC - please take control of these types of people!

I would appreciate it if more people would send complaints, this cannot be tolerated.

I did not utter any ethnic or racist slurs - my last posts were just an effort to inject some humour. I had ask Jan the moderator to simply eliminate the racist comments by GreenwichSE10, but he has done nothing yet.

SSC - please take control of these types of people!

I would appreciate it if more people would send complaints, this cannot be tolerated.

Fully supported by myself!

:lol:I did not utter any ethnic or racist slurs - my last posts were just an effort to inject some humour. I had ask Jan the moderator to simply eliminate the racist comments by GreenwichSE10, but he has done nothing yet.

SSC - please take control of these types of people!

I would appreciate it if more people would send complaints, this cannot be tolerated.

what 'racist' slurs..calling you a boxhead? seeing as we are both White Europeans you have managed to redefine racism you silly twerp. You are Funny f:fiddle::hi::tongue4:Grow up you big baby!:lol:

WTF is going on here!? lol. worst thread eva!!!

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lol kids

For me, the British cities are the most ugliest.
Italians cities are the most beautiful :D

^^:cheers:
For me too.

Madrid

^^
Can you tell me why do you hate Madrid?

^^
Can you tell me why do you hate Madrid?

I would say the suburbs are pretty ugly, but that's true for most European cities

I would say Bilbao's or Barcelona's metropolitan areas are the ugliest (not the cities themselves). Plenty of ugly towns among to choose in those areas.

^^
Of course, suburbs are always ugly!

^^:cheers:
For me too.

I wouldn't say they are ugly but somehow boring... I don't know maybe I just like more continental cities.

Madrid

Of course, the Royal Palace is very ugly... and also El Retiro Park, the Gran Vía, the Atocha Station, the Plaza Mayor, the Temple of Debod, The Cuatro Torres Business Area, the Cibeles Square, the Alcala Gate... are ugly.

Oh my god, here's another Spanish who is resented with his capital ... :ohno:

http://www.fotomadrid.com/

Madrid

All the posts you wrote by now, were bad things about Madrid. Have you any curious complex with that city?

I have not been to Naples but Genova is disgusting!! Some places look nice on pics but in reality they are run down, smell of piss and are covered in grafiti. It really is like a third world country.

http://www.ge.infn.it/geant4/images/genova.jpg

Also all UK industrial cities: Manchester, Birmingham, Stoke to name a few. Absolutely tasteless architecture. They are rejuvinating them by buiding new ugly glass and concrete blocks. Some people never learn. :ohno:

http://www.building.co.uk/Pictures/436xAny/o/r/n/Birmingham_New_Street.jpg

you just see miles (or kilometres as it is where you are) of industrial crap.

To be honest that was my impression of Manchester

I am also suprised no one said Marseilles. It reminds me more of Northern Africa than Western Europe.

For me, the British cities are the most ugliest.
Italians cities are the most beautiful :D

There are many pretty cities in Italy (Verona, Florence, Venice) But some cities could easily be the ugliest in Europe. Apart from Genova it is Torino (not particulary ugly but run down and full of cheap smelly fast food), Pisa (c'mon apart from the Tower it is awfull) and Ventigmilia (Probably makes French across the border feel good). And there are a lot of other ugly cities which I have not been to therefore would not mention.

Also, even though most, not all British cities are ugly. (London is cool, Oxford and Bath are pretty)

There are many pretty cities in Italy (Verona, Florence, Venice) But some cities could easily be the ugliest in Europe. Apart from Genova it is Torino (not particulary ugly but run down and full of cheap smelly fast food), Pisa (c'mon apart from the Tower it is awfull) and Ventigmilia (Probably makes French across the border feel good). And there are a lot of other ugly cities which I have not been to therefore would not mention.

Also, even though most, not all British cities are ugly. (London is cool, Oxford and Bath are pretty)

wow you seem so well informed!another brain surgeon from eastern europe:nuts::lol:

There are many pretty cities in Italy (Verona, Florence, Venice) But some cities could easily be the ugliest in Europe. Apart from Genova it is Torino (not particulary ugly but run down and full of cheap smelly fast food), Pisa (c'mon apart from the Tower it is awfull) and Ventigmilia (Probably makes French across the border feel good). And there are a lot of other ugly cities which I have not been to therefore would not mention.

Also, even though most, not all British cities are ugly. (London is cool, Oxford and Bath are pretty)

it's clear you don't know anything of turin... just click on the link in my signature...

finally, only FAST food in turin?!?!?! turin is the headquarter of SLOW food, which opened many markets and small shops around the world.

The ugliest city in WE I came across is Genova.
You may find some pics of beautiful old buildings on the net, but in reality they are run down, smell of piss and are covered in grafitti. Its a shame really that a city that was once great is now in such a disgusting state.
http://www.ge.infn.it/geant4/images/genova.jpg

wow you seem so well informed!another brain surgeon from eastern europe:nuts::lol:

Well, I just gave an example. Ive spent a few years in UK and seen a lot of places. My point is that most of cities in the UK, apart from London and small historic towns, are really...well just ugly. What I dont understand is British style regeneration: ugly 60s concrete buildings are replaced with new ugly glass and concrete buildings...I guess some people never learn. :ohno:
Dont get me wrong UK is a great country though...if you stay within M25 and take quick breaks to some small charming towns.

it's clear you don't know anything of turin... just click on the link in my signature...

finally, only FAST food in turin?!?!?! turin is the headquarter of SLOW food, which opened many markets and small shops around the world.

You are right I ve only been to Turin for a few days. But to be honest my impression of it were rows of cheap fast food cafes with Kebabs, burgers, and greasy pizza slices.

I dont know why my post with pics of Genova has not been approved..but my point is that Genova is the ugliest city in W Europe. It is quite said, as there are many nice historic buildings, however all of them are dirty, smell of piss and are covered in graffiti. Most cars in the city look like they have been in a number of accidents; all buildings are in neglect, and most of the sea view is blocked by huge and ugly port. Too feel the sharpest contrast i'd recommend to go to next door Portofino - one of the most beautiful towns in Europe.

Well, I just gave an example. Ive spent a few years in UK and seen a lot of places. My point is that most of cities in the UK, apart from London and small historic towns, are really...well just ugly. What I dont understand is British style regeneration: ugly 60s concrete buildings are replaced with new ugly glass and concrete buildings...I guess some people never learn. :ohno:
Dont get me wrong UK is a great country though...if you stay within M25 and take quick breaks to some small charming towns.

Of course theyre are some ugly satelite towns that were put up after all the ww2 bombing but the UK is far better architecturally than Russia and Poland with its thousands of hideously piss poor fugly commie blocks located in shithole towns and cities.We have so many great towns and cities we are blessed in the UK Bath,Bristol,Oxford,Cambridge,Brighton,Edinburgh,Glasgow,Cardiff,London,Bristol,York,all the cotswolds towns and in the last few years the great northern industrial cities of manchester,Leeds,Liverpool are all having great resurgences.We dont have to take lessons from the likes of Russia and Poland thank you! We are in a different league to you lot, you should concentrate on your own countries terrible Architecture.

^^Commieblockophobia :ohno: just because this type of architecture turned badly in your country doesn't mean it's similar all around the world you know. Death to anti-modernists long live Le Corbusier!

Anyway I'm pretty sure you have no idea about post-war architecture in both countries apart from some stereotypes so stfu:yes:

Commieblocks deserve respect, that's why we have a whole board dedicated to them.

I didn't said anything about your grey, rainy country my Anglosaxon friend:ohno: In fact I like quite a lot of your architecture, unfortunatelly you keep demolishing it :( at least Barbican is protected.

Of course theyre are some ugly satelite towns that were put up after all the ww2 bombing but the UK is far better architecturally than Russia and Poland with its thousands of hideously piss poor fugly commie blocks located in shithole towns and cities.We have so many great towns and cities we are blessed in the UK Bath,Bristol,Oxford,Cambridge,Brighton,Edinburgh,Glasgow,Cardiff,London,Bristol,York,all the cotswolds towns and in the last few years the great northern industrial cities of manchester,Leeds,Liverpool are all having great resurgences.We dont have to take lessons from the likes of Russia and Poland thank you! We are in a different league to you lot, you should concentrate on your own countries terrible Architecture.

I am not comparing UK to Eastern Europe...is not it ugliest city in WESTERN Europe? I agree that there are some ugly places in the East, and that is because it was a very poor part of the world for a long time. Shall we may be compare Manchester to Lagos or Baghdad? LOL If you want to prove that UK cities are not ugliest in Western Europe than compare it to other Western countries. Otherwise you just prove my point. :lol:

Damn, can we finally talk about Western Europe here?

^^ Good point. I think that English cities are ugliest in Western Europe :yes:

^^ Good point. I think that English cities are ugliest in Western Europe :yes:

Damn right :lol:

Dont mind salgovernale he is just one of those bigoted labour supporters who have never been abroad.

Ive been reading this thread and I understand why chavs talk trash about Eastern Europe - they could not find any city in Western Europe which is uglier than British cities, apart from Benidorm. But it is widely accepted that Benidrom is the ugliest city in Spain, and it also for some reason happens to be number one tourist destination for Brits. The city is made even worse by the chavs themselves - fat ugly chicks eating greasy burgers on the dirty beach. Why choose this kind of holiday anyway?
Also it is quite said that a bunch of idiots behave like that - I have many friends in London who are really nice people.

But it's nice to see that not only in EE have this kind of nationalistic, insecure people :yes:
Now I think I snow a bit because it was too hot today:ohno:

^^ Good point. I think that English cities are ugliest in Western Europe :yes:

I'd say they are one of the ugliest in the world.

^ Clearly you haven't spent much time in your home country of Pakistan.

:hilarious

Stop it, or the fword anglosaxon dude will bite your head off (or Matthieu will just close this thread).

Honestly, it is unfair to say that a certain city is "the ugliest" (well, maybe excluding Detroit;) but that's not Europe).

Speaking of Detroit, I went around it on Google Street View, and my God, I have never seen a more abandoned, ugly, empty, carpark-obsessed, and lonely looking city. I have no idea how people could live there and not have a desire to get the hell out of there. It looks depressing as hell.

^ Clearly you haven't spent much time in your home country of Pakistan.

Have you?

Have you?

No, and given its current "fame" lately as a hotspot for terrorism and producing terrorists, I hope to never visit it in my lifetime. :cheers:

No,

You don't have an argument then.

You don't have an argument then.

pakistan is a wonderful place clearly.:lol:

Of course theyre are some ugly satelite towns that were put up after all the ww2 bombing but the UK is far better architecturally than Russia and Poland with its thousands of hideously piss poor fugly commie blocks located in shithole towns and cities.We have so many great towns and cities we are blessed in the UK Bath,Bristol,Oxford,Cambridge,Brighton,Edinburgh,Glasgow,Cardiff,London,Bristol,York,all the cotswolds towns and in the last few years the great northern industrial cities of manchester,Leeds,Liverpool are all having great resurgences.We dont have to take lessons from the likes of Russia and Poland thank you! We are in a different league to you lot, you should concentrate on your own countries terrible Architecture.


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Sorry for you, but Poland is very great country, Polish cities are very beautiful, like many i find Polish cities much more beautiful than English.

And '' hideously piss poor fugly commie blocks'' existed 10 years ago in Poland but exist only today in England ! Many was restored in Poland since 10 years .....

Have a look there, and compare Polish cities here with English cities, from page 1 to 24, Poland everywhere :

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=222812&page=22

The logical continuation of this thread is here "UK: Do we have the ugliest cities in Europe?"
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=777080

The logical continuation of this thread is here "UK: Do we have the ugliest cities in Europe?"
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=777080

Beh. Interesting thread that, don't agree with that OP with some of what he said.

I dont know why my post with pics of Genova has not been approved..but my point is that Genova is the ugliest city in W Europe. It is quite said, as there are many nice historic buildings, however all of them are dirty, smell of piss and are covered in graffiti. Most cars in the city look like they have been in a number of accidents; all buildings are in neglect, and most of the sea view is blocked by huge and ugly port. Too feel the sharpest contrast i'd recommend to go to next door Portofino - one of the most beautiful towns in Europe.

I realize this post is over half a year old, but this is a funny/interesting thread, and I just had to agree with this post.

I have to tell you that I concur with you completely on this! We drove down the Ligurian coast from Nice (beautiful) through Genoa (in English) toward Pisa and I was really depressed when we hit Genoa.

I had built up all of these romantic notions in my head of a medieval city and nothing could have shocked me more! Genoa is a depressing, industrial mess. There are parts of it that - as an American - remind me of some of the worst parts of the Pittsburgh region. And, Pittsburgh, in general, is quite a nice city.

But something about the extreme mountains, with the Italianate-Stalinist apartment blocks and industry just depressed the hell out of me. It reminded me of the juxtaposition of Pittsburgh steel mills with the "hills" (mountains, really) behind them.

My top 3 ones:

Charleroi (Belgium)
Liverpool (UK)
Brussels (Belgium)

^^ Brussels?? Have a look --> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1231597&

I agree. Brussels is quite underrated. Grand Place, lots of Art Nouveau and late 19th century architecture. There are some ugly parts as well but that certainly doesn't warrant giving the place the "ugliest city" title.

I would still vote for Charleroi because that's the only ugly city I've been...

http://www.gadzo.be/files/u2/Charleroi.jpg
http://www.gadzo.be/files/u2/Charleroi.jpg

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http://www.aula.com/peter/09999163.jpg

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http://www.majhost.com/gallery/highlandcattle/appartment/carolo5.jpg
http://blogimages.bloggen.be/agent_orange_metrocharleroi/490667-3eeb4c01adb9cc5482df229004e70dac.jpg
N5 with downtown Charleroi on the background
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7249/charleroi1k.jpg

View on Charleroi from the R9
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1318/charleroi2k.jpg

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Picture of the Nineties!:
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A tread about the abandonned metro in Charlerloi:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1269987

Tread about abandoned part and the part of the metro that is still working:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=348578&page=4

You want to say Charleroi not Charlerloi.

^^ Typing mistake...

I would say Mannheim is the ugliest city in Western Europe (from where I've been, of course). Stuttgart and Frankfurt are nearly not as ugly as Mannheim. Every city has its best and worst districts, but Mannheim... come on, is there anything aesthetically pleasant there? Even city centre sucks...

^^German cities are too clean to win this

^^ Watch only one page on either of the treads about the Charleroi metro...
Those tunnels and stations are complete dumps for every kind of trash you can ever immagine...

A bit hard to Google Street View Germany when that country seems to full of annoying privacy freaks so that every time I see a place, it's got those annoying irritating grey squares. Germans are annoying. The only country on Google Street View to be that obsessive. :gaah:

Cool! A topic about ugly cities, I love them.

Before anyone called me biased, I will first say that Lelystad (NL) in the Netherlands is one of the ugliest cities I've ever visited. You don't want to find yourself in that shithole...


Further, in no particular order:
(and guys/ladies: it's my personal list, I'm not saying your country sucks or whatever... phiew, some people here need to relax a little!)


- Mannheim (D) (Boringly ugly, entschuldigung liebe Menschen)
- Tilburg (NL) (Plain boring and not even interestingly ugly)
- Liège/Luik (B) (Interestingly, almost fascinatingly ugly. However, it's improving a bit lately)
- Bucuresti (RO) (Desperately, but interestingly ugly)
- Charleroi (B) (Belgians, no pun intended, but do yourselves a favor and start over with that one...)
- Dortmund (D) (See Tilburg (NL))
- Manchester (GB) (So depressing, it gave me chills and I didn't want to leave that fascinating place.)


And now bugger off with pretty pictures of "your" (the arrogance!) city. They are ugly. Period. Just don't argue with that, or it'll leave me with the feeling the inhabitants (i.e. you) are ugly as well.

A bit hard to Google Street View Germany when that country seems to full of annoying privacy freaks so that every time I see a place, it's got those annoying irritating grey squares. Germans are annoying. The only country on Google Street View to be that obsessive. :gaah:

How very, very true!

It makes me want to go to those adresses, ring the bell time after time and then stalk the people that live there untill infinity.

/edit: I won't. I'm not that freaky.

Which city in western Europe do you guys consider the ugliest? I heard Rotterdam is a pretty ugly city, but I want to hear it from you Europeans.

I've been all over western europe and from MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.... here is the list

GENEVA SWITZERLAND: boring, ugly, expensive, nothing to do.

ROTTERDAM: After WWII they tried to make a very modern out of this world city but ended up with this very plastic place that feels like a movie set.

A LOT OF FRENCH CITIES OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORICAL BEAUTIFUL PLACES: just normal places with very ugly commie blocks french style, lots of industrial areas that feel like the USA and virtually nothing to do.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3106/3220165267_7988520588.jpg

INDUSTRIAL CITIES IN WALLONIE BELGIUM AND THE UNITED KINGDOM: depressing, dark, rainy, industrial looking etc. etc.

My top 3 ones:

Charleroi (Belgium)
Liverpool (UK)
Brussels (Belgium)

brussels? you must JOKING!!!

any one who claims brussels is one of ugliest cities in europe is ABSOLUTELY JOKING!

it's for once a relaxed city with a very laid back atmosphere, a very unversity feel to it, lots of interesting coffee houses, little artistic stores, great family owned restaurants, good beer, good waffles, cute historical places, good nightlife that doesn't end until 8am!

not only that but look the neighborhood part of brussels, very nice apartments, quite green, organized, clean with tons of green parks for jogging, having a picnic etc. etc.!!! nothing like french neighborhoods for example that seem to offer nothing but peach colored commie blocks.

I am sorry but I have yet to understand how in the world some people think Brussels is ugly or boring!!! having places in europe like geneva where there is truly ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO, or those tacky spanish coastal cities that reek in massive low class tourism.

Geneva isn't boring nor ugly, but if you're poor the prices are a big problem.
I'm sorry for you that you couldn't enjoy it.

I'm a bit surprised to see Mannheim mentioned so often here. I grew up just 20km away from there and while it certainly won't win any beauty contests its really underrated and seems to have a reputation problem. The city center is actually quite pleasant with more parks than almost any other European city its size, it has its fair share of historic buildings and a great pedestrian zone.

Ludwigshafen, its neighboring city on the other side of the Rhine...now that's what I call a truly ugly city.

Geneva isn't boring nor ugly, but if you're poor the prices are a big problem.
I'm sorry for you that you couldn't enjoy it.

Is not about being poor or wealthy, is about the city being BORING, without a single bit of PERSONALITY, and very mediocre architecture.... (commie blocks heaven)


plus what can I buy in Geneva that I can't find anywhere else?

have u seen the stores downtown? (I live in Geneva).... the stores are not artistic, inspiring, interesting.... watches and expensive plates and spoons and things like that that I wouldn't really buy!

oh yeah, Geneva is B-O-R-I-N-G and U-G-L-Y

and the store hours... after 7pm everything closes down and there is absolutely nothing to do.

I live here because of work reasons.... trust me.... it's the ugliest most boring place I've seen and I lived in over 7 countries because of work!

Don't understand how people can find Brussels ugly. Its actually one of the more beautiful places in europe.

http://www.vakantielandbelgie.nl/images/grote_markt_brussel.jpg

So ugly! :ohno:

http://photo.naepflin.com/blog/images/20080623021541_levee_de_soleil.jpg
http://photo.naepflin.com/blog/438
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Don't understand how people can find Brussels ugly. Its actually one of the more beautiful places in europe.

http://www.vakantielandbelgie.nl/images/grote_markt_brussel.jpg

Agree, a very nice city indeed. I believe Brussels to many simply represents evil EU bureaucracy or whatever and that’s why folks punish it by calling it ugly.

Don't understand how people can find Brussels ugly. Its actually one of the more beautiful places in europe.

http://www.vakantielandbelgie.nl/images/grote_markt_brussel.jpg

I absolutely agree, Brussels is one of the BEST cities in all of europe!

I love the nightlife that goes on and on and on.

the old town around la grand place with the impressive beautiful architecture!

the enormous amounts of museums, bars with very fun personalities, and their outskirts areas are nothing like french cities in the outskirts... in brussels the outskirts have beautiful apartment buildings, organized, clean, with very pleasant parks.... you dont even need to go to the downtown area of brussels to find things to do.

I lived in Evere and I would simply go to cook and book, an enormous book store where u can buy coffee, food etc. and read books in just about any language!!! (that doesn't exist here in geneva where I live nowadays)

I would say Mannheim is the ugliest city in Western Europe (from where I've been, of course). Stuttgart and Frankfurt are nearly not as ugly as Mannheim. Every city has its best and worst districts, but Mannheim... come on, is there anything aesthetically pleasant there? Even city centre sucks...

Well, Mannheim has a really huge and nice palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannheim_Palace) (one of the largest baroque palaces in Europe) and the Luisenpark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luisenpark) is also very unique.
You're right, the "Old Town" is really bad, but I would also say that Ludwigshafen is definitely worse!

Don't understand how people can find Brussels ugly. Its actually one of the more beautiful places in europe.

http://www.vakantielandbelgie.nl/images/grote_markt_brussel.jpg

I've been to Brussels, and the square on your pic is stunning, and few side streets are fantastic..but! pretty much everything else is ugly and depressing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusselization

Not really. The area around the Koekelberg Basilica is quite nice too. So is everything between the Kunstberg and the Palace of Justice. Both the Petit and Grand Sablon are great places to visit.

We need to see pics of Ferraris in London!

Here you go mate :cheers:

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No, thanks!

I've been to Brussels, and the square on your pic is stunning, and few side streets are fantastic..but! pretty much everything else is ugly and depressing

I was driving around quite a bit in Brussels because I didn't have Navi back in ze days. Didin't really see those depressing neughbourhoods you are talking about. I remember it as a nice an green city with lots of historic architecture and some office highrises.

another well educated balkanite tosser with a chip on his shoulder..do they breed you retards in factories there?:ohno:


how dare you sad something like that,since i m not from balkan and neither from uk i think i can say about it...balkan is so beautiful,people are in the prettiest in the world,and they have so much history in it..balkan nations are so durable and brave...honestly i m from america and i admire to them..i been there and i love it,they are so kind,and about UK cities did somebody call the north freezing cities...it s all about schools and aducation,everybody says it s grey and rainy..phh oh la la...who could love something like that,and UK doesn t have much night life so i recomend to you to visit balkan and than judge...and please do you ever leave home without umbrella??seriously London,like prestigious UK city,definitly doesn t have that much energy.:DDD

Are you mad ... or came to London by coach, did not find a job and went straight back to your mighty Warsaw ?!
oh please London is big and very important,i admire it has some nice parts i been there..but please such a city and only big ben and a couple things more,i mean London s shopping street Bond(new and old)is so ugly the stores are so wooden,and not exclusive and i should mention the famous brands store,i mean the african cities have prettiest stores...and realy if Warsaw is mighty what all i can call London,rainy,grey,dull...

how dare you sad something like that,since i m not from balkan and neither from uk i think i can say about it...balkan is so beautiful,people are in the prettiest in the world,and they have so much history in it..balkan nations are so durable and brave...honestly i m from america and i admire to them..i been there and i love it,they are so kind,and about UK cities did somebody call the north freezing cities...it s all about schools and aducation,everybody says it s grey and rainy..phh oh la la...who could love something like that,and UK doesn t have much night life so i recomend to you to visit balkan and than judge...and please do you ever leave home without umbrella??seriously London,like prestigious UK city,definitly doesn t have that much energy.:DDD

eh? dont take it personally..nobody likes eastern europeans:lol:

I absolutely agree, Brussels is one of the BEST cities in all of europe!

I love the nightlife that goes on and on and on.

the old town around la grand place with the impressive beautiful architecture!

the enormous amounts of museums, bars with very fun personalities, and their outskirts areas are nothing like french cities in the outskirts... in brussels the outskirts have beautiful apartment buildings, organized, clean, with very pleasant parks.... you dont even need to go to the downtown area of brussels to find things to do.

I lived in Evere and I would simply go to cook and book, an enormous book store where u can buy coffee, food etc. and read books in just about any language!!! (that doesn't exist here in geneva where I live nowadays)


i must have been in another Brussels

Le Havre
http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwiki/76/LeHavre.jpg
http://normandie-zoom.com/blog/images/images-du-jour/2008/035-le-havre.jpg

^^wow

Le Havre is part of UNESCO world heritage though for the work done by Auguste Perret and concrete.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/9/98/Eglise_havre_joseph.jpg/378px-Eglise_havre_joseph.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/thumb/3/3f/Le_Havre_St_Joseph_int.JPG/800px-Le_Havre_St_Joseph_int.JPG

Le Havre is the ugliest by far.

Second Charleroi.

Charleroi could be upgraded, but Le Havre would be less ugly only with bulldozers.

In fact, I prefer ugliness over boringness:
"ugliness is in a way superior to beauty because it lasts"
I really like to visit beautifull citys but I'm always wanting to see the everydaylife and surroundings of the cheapside of the city, and I don't feel that depressing or boring.to nice a place can be rather boring.It all depends on you're having fun or not and the company you're in...

Agree, a very nice city indeed. I believe Brussels to many simply represents evil EU bureaucracy or whatever and that’s why folks punish it by calling it ugly.

Brussels has many unkept old buildings which is a pitty. It is as though the city does not have money to preserve its old buildings. In addition the train stations which i consider the first invitation/impression to the heart of many European cities are pretty much bland and ugly in Brussels. Brussels is not the ugliest city, but I do understand why people would mention it just by their first hand impression entering the city.

There are lots of stereotypes in this forum, which is just immature "engilsh cities are like english girls." I live in Manchester, and I spend a good couple of weeks in Birmingham each year for family, and both are not ugly. In the case of these cities, and most probably all cities mentioned in this thread, it depends on where about's you go in that city. Some area's in Manchester and indeed Birmingham are pretty spectacular (more so Manchester than Birmingham) and most of those cities are now becoming super modern. It really annoys me when people say "whole of UK" when, quite clearly it isn't, and have any of you who say this been to EVERY city in the UK?

From my personal experience, I would say that Malaga takes the biscuit. It isn't all ugly by no means, and I know (because I have seen) that some of the areas are very beautiful, but some areas in the City Center are not very clever, particularly around the airport. Benalmadina just on the outskirts of the city is very beautiful, however, and it does have some very nice beaches

the problem with the british cities is that only in few cases you preserved the ancient cores and patterns (edinburgh, york and bath comes to mind) usually, you replaced the old buildings with the XIX century tenement houses during the industrial revolution, then you screwed even this with the urban renewal programme in the sixties, by placing the highways in the middle of the downtowns and by blowing up the uniform urban pattern, nowadays you place the huge oversized shopping malls everywhere....

british/continental cities compared:

birmingham:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6817/screenhunter01jul132337.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/191/screenhunter01jul132337.jpg/)

bordeaux:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/2236/screenhunter02jul132338.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/screenhunter02jul132338.jpg/)

as you see the british city appears really messy compared to the continental average

the problem with the british cities is that only in few cases you preserved the ancient cores and patterns (edinburgh, york and bath comes to mind) usually, you replaced the old buildings with the XIX century tenement houses during the industrial revolution, then you screwed even this with the urban renewal programme in the sixties, by placing the highways in the middle of the downtowns and by blowing up the uniform urban pattern, nowadays you place the huge oversized shopping malls everywhere....

Well tbf most major British cities did get bombed during a war and everything destroyed, so when the British government was trying to rebuild its country during a poor time financially, I don't really think there main priority was to "preserve the ancient cores and patterns"
And I dont get what you mean, "placing highways in the middle of downtowns?" Im pretty sure that is what you're supposed to do anyway, in a major city with million(s) in population, people arent expected to walk everywhere, unless i've misunderstood.
And we dont really place oversized shopping malls everywhere, they are either on the outskirts of the city or in the city center itself, and not all cities are jam-packed with shopping malls

Well tbf most major British cities did get bombed during a war and everything destroyed, so when the British government was trying to rebuild its country during a poor time financially, I don't really think there main priority was to "preserve the ancient cores and patterns"
And I dont get what you mean, "placing highways in the middle of downtowns?" Im pretty sure that is what you're supposed to do anyway, in a major city with million(s) in population, people arent expected to walk everywhere, unless i've misunderstood.
And we dont really place oversized shopping malls everywhere, they are either on the outskirts of the city or in the city center itself, and not all cities are jam-packed with shopping malls

are you sure you know what you are talking about or you just try to defend your country? because i'm really not into ssc bitching, and i get annoyed by explaining the facts again and again... the war was destructive everywhere, so almost all the countries had to manage the problem of the post war reconstruction, the difference is that eg germans made it with their famous precisions and britons by using the black humor... btw i wasn't talking about the destroyed parts of the cities that had to by raised from the ashes but about a general planning approach in britain during the sixties. maybe i'm wrong but i don't remember any havy bombing in glasgow during the ww2. the images show normal, not destroyed neighborhoods transformed during the sixties:

before the renewal:
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp161/ugcollection/Aerial%20Pics%203/Hutchesontown001v.jpg

after:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/james73/urbang/Gorbals_spence_01.jpg

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/662924/mdoran1%40sky_com_02492619.jpg

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/651836/mdoran1%40sky_com_05011140.jpg

http://gallery.myff.org/gallery/637067/1969+f.jpg

before the renewal:
http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=21448
then:
http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=21452

before the renewal:
http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=21553
then:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2150/1250x985d.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/1250x985d.jpg/)

glasgow pics provided by [BÉTON!BRUT!]



the shopping malls i was refering to are not in the outskirts but in the strict city centers, in fact in the center of the birmingham aerial i posted there are huge malls:
http://www.aeroengland.co.uk/bullring-bm53.jpg


as i said i'm not interested in a fight and i don't want to say that uk sucks or something, i just noticed some characteristic related to the evolution of the british cities. anyone who's not blind can see clearly on the first aerial photo that the urban center is badly messed up and most of the buildings are of different shape and size...

You're being just a bit harsh there. Those Normal houses that you are referring to was the Gorbals, famed for it's slum conditions at the time. Fair enough maybe they could have kept the buildings, refurbished them even, however your picture then shows the same estate in the 60's under construction, yet you have not posted a picture of what the area looks like now, it's totally different and far better than it was in those pictures you chose to post with all the high-rise flats. The fact that the area is again desirable to live in makes this much more apparent. I challenge you to look at a British City, maybe even visit, and I can guarantee that you will be very surprised with them and you will most likely change your narrow minded view.

Also the M8, whilst I agree that cutting it through the edges of the City Centre was a mistake, and until recently caused major Traffic Jams. It however does its function. It gets you into the heart of the city, which is useful for business.

Oh and if it's pretty street patterns you're interested in, then you should look at Glasgow, you'll see that the vast majority of the city has retained it's Grid pattern and is not a bunch of jumbled up streets.

I can't understand how can the people say that Genova is ugly: is well kept, the oldtown is beautiful and lived, with many clubs. the only problem of Genova is the highway that passes right on the waterfront. But the municipality is finding a solution for it

the ugliest italian cities are Latina and Foggia

I can't understand too. Genova is beautiful city

I want to vote for Wien, it is pretty ugly and jammed city without a historical(maybe modern too) waterfront(I don´t know how to translate "nábrežie" from Slovak lang and google translator translated it, maybe I can translate it as a riverside).
By the way, Austria is in the western Europe, isn´t it?
Dude, Vienna is one of the most beautiful and fascinating cities in the whole world.

Amsterdam? Probably one of the most beautiful cities in Europe.
Wouldn't say so. I firmly believe Amsterdam is one of the most overrated cities ever.

IMHO Valencia, Bilbao, Benidorm, Malaga, Marseille, Le Havre, Naples, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield, Glasgow, Cologne and pretty much all the cities in the Ruhr area are extremely ugly.

Peace.

Wouldn't say so. I firmly believe Amsterdam is one of the most overrated cities ever.

Totally agree.

Berlin Marzahn

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eNnQilNxBWU/TLDZqXja4kI/AAAAAAAAAHI/GkrZQSe3xLQ/s1600/marzahn_470.jpg

Berlin Gropiusstadt

http://www.morgenpost.de/multimedia/archive/00216/mim_grop_panorama_B_216904b.jpg

Berlin is ugly, but interesting :P

http://www.lilano.de/catalog/images/potsdamerplatz_20040601dx1334.jpg
Berlin Potsdamer Platz

I vote for Spain, especially the mediterranean coast. Most cities and towns are just hideous with ugly brick builfings and no green spaces.
I don't agree German and british cities are ugly. Just too monotone.

the war was destructive everywhere, so almost all the countries had to manage the problem of the post war reconstruction, the difference is that eg germans made it with their famous precisions and britons by using the black humor...

There is definitely no difference between post war rebuilding in Germany and the UK! Both suck!

Wouldn't say so. I firmly believe Amsterdam is one of the most overrated cities ever.

Even if its overrated, its still very nice IMO.

For me most ugly city in UK is Liverpool.

In Europe, I would say Freiburg

For me most ugly city in UK is Liverpool.

In Europe, I would say Freiburg

Freiburg the ugliest city in Europe? :sly:

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4017/4606702340_a30bc27908_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfalle/4606702340/)
Freiburg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rfalle/4606702340/) von Rainer Falle (http://www.flickr.com/people/rfalle/) auf Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3125/3082178658_44113685d9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/strudelt/3082178658/)
Freiburg, Martinstor (http://www.flickr.com/photos/strudelt/3082178658/) von strudelt (http://www.flickr.com/people/strudelt/) auf Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4078/4762772131_731baa959b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/werkunz/4762772131/)
Freiburg Photowalk (http://www.flickr.com/photos/werkunz/4762772131/) von Werner Kunz (http://www.flickr.com/people/werkunz/) auf Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5089/5248840741_c3233ec67a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolf-rabe/5248840741/)
Freiburg Haus Zum Walfisch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolf-rabe/5248840741/) von Wolfsraum (http://www.flickr.com/people/wolf-rabe/) auf Flickr

Berlin is ugly, but interesting :P



Berlin ugly ? :weird: Berlin's great - one of my favorite cities in Europe :cheers:

It's not exactly pretty though.

Freiburg the ugliest city in Europe? :sly:

You gotta be joking! I would vote more for the cleanest city judging by the current pics.

For me most ugly city in UK is Liverpool.

In Europe, I would say Freiburg

LOL! Freiburg is definitely not ugly!

Charleroi
Rotterdam
Cologne
Frankfurt
Turin
Milton Keynes
Birmingham
Malmö
....

Charleroi
Rotterdam
Cologne
Frankfurt
Turin
Milton Keynes
Birmingham
Malmö
....

Turin (Torino) ugly??

Look this thread, all! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=615347

Charleroi
Rotterdam
Cologne
Frankfurt
Turin
Milton Keynes
Birmingham
Malmö
....

Cologne!? TURIN!?!? Can you post your definition of "ugly"?