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mr.x
February 13th, 2008, 11:16 AM
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Containers suggested for Whistler's housing shortage

Jeff Lee, The Vancouver Sun
Published: Monday, January 14, 2008

WHISTLER -- Accommodation for workers in this mountain resort is in such short supply that local politicians want to bring in shipping containers or construction trailers to house them.

The plan, developed by the Whistler Housing Authority, local chamber of commerce and several municipal councillors, is to create as many as 250 beds by establishing a park made up of construction trailers of the kind used for oil-field workers or by setting up stackable shipping containers.

The containers would be modified and brought up to a livable standard, including electricity, windows and insulation, according to one of the project's backers, Coun. Ralph Forsyth.

The idea is the brainchild of a committee called "Housing Our Many Employees" (HOME) that has tried to find short- and long-term solutions to the perennial employee housing shortage.

Forsyth and fellow Coun. Tim Wade, who will bring the proposal to council in the second week of February, say it may be the only way to ease the tremendous pressure local businesses are facing in retaining staff during the busy winter season.

While accommodation for workers is always a problem in high-priced Whistler, this year is worse because the resort's popularity is on an upswing, Forsyth said.

There are more visitors wanting more services and not enough accommodation for the staff needed to serve them.

"We're aware of the critical shortage of housing for our employees, and it contributes to the deteriorating service standards," Forsyth said.

In the high season, now, Whistler has a workforce approaching 14,000. But it has only enough accommodation for 10,500, according to Forsyth.

That will be worse in 2010, the year of the Olympic Winter Games, when the Vancouver Organizing Committee will be looking for accommodation for its own staff, volunteers and unaccredited media, he said.

But this year is already worse than ever, according to Stuart Cook, a manager of the Pinnacle International Hotel, who said: "I've never seen it this bad."

The committee isn't worried about the image of stacked shipping containers being used to house employees.

"These would be building blocks. All the container is, is the frame. You cut holes, you put in windows, you put in vents, you put in insulation, you put in ventilation," Wade said.

"They would be actual containers," Forsyth said. "We've seen videos of these places, and they are very nice, livable places. It looks like Lego blocks on the outside, they're temporary, but they are very livable on the inside."

Forsyth said businesses would have to underwrite the entire proposal -- including the costs of setting it up and running it. "The reality is the government, this municipality, doesn't have the money for this."

He said businesses would be asked to guarantee to pay for whatever beds they need for their workers, at a probable cost of about $500 a month per bed. Whether they recoup that from employees would be up to them.

"Because a rising tide floats all boats, and in this case there is up-front money involved, we will go to the major employers who have enough money to say they will take some beds," Forsyth said.

Forsyth and Wade say they've looked at one company that supplies modified containers, and the HOME committee is dealing with one property owner that may be willing to make land available on a temporary basis.

The committee hopes to gather enough letters of intent from businesses to underwrite the cost of the project by the second week of February.

The proposal might also help take pressure off some workers who are being gouged by landlords who cram as many employees as they can find into a single facility, Wade said.

The container trailer park idea is an immediate hit for Pete Van Beek, a server at Milestone's Restaurant. He lives in a three-bedroom house with six others, including several who can't find beds anywhere. While he doesn't need a place to stay, he knows of many who do.

"I can tell you right now people would snatch them up," said Van Beek, who has worked for Milestone's for five years. "I've got three couch-surfers in my place right now. They're friends and co-workers so we feel we have to help them out."

But others worry that the idea isn't a good long-term solution.

Eric Earle, one of the managers at Milestone's, doesn't believe Milestone's would want to participate in the shipping container park because it sends the wrong message.

"Do you want the word out there that this world-wide famous resort is resorting to kids who come to work here staying in shipping containers?" he said. "I'm pretty sure Milestone's would not want its staff having to stay in such a place."

Instead, Milestone's tries to hire staff who already have housing, and offers an incentive program aimed at retaining workers. Of the 80 people employed there, nearly 50 form a regular year-round core, Earle said.

Earle, who has lived in Whistler since 1989, blames past and current councils for the enduring problem.

"Where was the vision when we needed this accommodation 10 years ago?" he asked. "I feel bad about this, but the idea of a container trailer park is something that triggers in me the question, is that really a road we want to go down?"

The proposal follows an unsuccessful attempt by the HOME committee to persuade owners of vacation properties to rent 100 beds directly to businesses that would guarantee the employees would take care of them and pay their rent on time. Not a single homeowner took up the offer, Forsyth said.

"The idea was not to do a deal with some kid from Toronto you would never see again," he said. "You would deal with a business in Whistler. But we didn't get any takers. People are very fearful of their places being damaged."

The irony, according to Forsyth and Wade, is that after the Olympics, more housing will be available for workers. That's because after the Games, nearly 1,000 units of housing being built to house Olympic athletes will be turned over to the housing authority.

On Saturday, councillors told a town hall meeting that the municipality frowns on landlords who gouge long-term tenants or want to throw them out for the Olympics to cash in on better-paying tourists.

"It is non-negotiable for us to be in the situation in 2010 where people are booting out long-term residents and employees in order to rent to tourists," Coun. Eckhard Zeidler said. "We find that pretty unacceptable."

Whistler is already backing away from a proposal to temporarily permit homeowners in resident-only zones to rent rooms on a nightly basis to Olympic visitors, Mayor Ken Melamed told the meeting.





I wouldn't mind living in one of these.

http://www.isbu-info.org/colage_01.jpg

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/taybis2003/pic/Container_City_small.jpg



Amsterdam
http://www.jonworth.eu/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/amsterdam-container5s.jpg

http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/containercity1.jpg

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/container-home-kit-1.jpg

http://www.containersandmore.co.uk/affordablehousing_images/bright-build-1-007.jpg


Could this be our answer to the Vancouver homeless as well? :p The one in Amsterdam is awesome.

DrT
February 13th, 2008, 04:03 PM
These containers are cheap (huge surplus of them at every port because of our trade deficit with Asia), strong (can withstand hurricanes), fire resistant, termite proof and stackable. They can be made into nice homes in a combo by modular design. They are environmentally friendly, as nothing needs to be recycled or remanufactured.
I'm surprised more use has NOt been made of this idea.

Joev
February 13th, 2008, 06:06 PM
Being stackable is essentially the difference between one of these and a mobile home. Not a bad idea.

Neda Say
February 13th, 2008, 09:03 PM
This is cool, Question is could I buy one, when they are done with them. I love the concept of container house, it's eco friendly, big when you double wide them, cheap, mobile, rugged...

Depotmaster
February 13th, 2008, 09:05 PM
Oh, thats terrible, I think even commie blocks are a better solution.

Huhu
February 14th, 2008, 07:39 AM
I'm not sure how they would insulate and soundproof these things.

lionchild
February 15th, 2008, 01:53 AM
Wow, i thought this was a really good idea, at first i was thinking "omg, we have sunk to new architectural lows" but then i look at some of these pics and see the potential, and think... hey! this is a good idea! Its looks like you can make some interesting configurations with them.

The only concern i have would be regarding earthquakes, and how the actual modules would wear over a long period of time, and fires too. But its probably been dealt with already.

Hmm, looks like another good sketchup project in my opinion, thanks for sharing this Mr.x

Rhino
February 15th, 2008, 09:02 PM
this is a great cost efficient way to help the homeless .

Huhu
February 16th, 2008, 12:48 PM
^^ This project isn't for the homeless, it's for workers in Whistler who can't afford the resort level prices there for housing.

officedweller
February 17th, 2008, 01:58 AM
Those look great!

Vancouverite
February 17th, 2008, 02:20 AM
But if the workers cannot find housing, affordable or otherwise, then that makes them homeless. So therefore this project is for the homeless.

Incidentally the steel shipping container in-ground pool is a nice touch.

Huhu
February 17th, 2008, 02:33 AM
^^ I don't think workers would choose to live on the streets. They'd either cram together and split the rent or work elsewhere.

zerocabin
February 21st, 2008, 09:01 AM
^^ I don't think workers would choose to live on the streets. They'd either cram together and split the rent or work elsewhere.


Hey all,

New user here and I stumbled upon this thread,,,

Keith Dewey and I are proposing that Whistler
use shipping containers for housing. Our proposal
can be veiwed over at http://www.zerocabin.com
Keith's company http://www.Zigloo.ca is the catalist that got this
momentum going so we have to give Keith credit for this great vision
and bringing the positives and logic of common sense
about using these containers as building blocks.

We are encouraged by the response we are getting at local
and provincial governments as well as Can. Export council
is looking at us providing solutions to the toxic trailers
in the US. We've heard of some making brand new units that are 10'
wide but our philosophy it to go green and re-use containers
rather than smelter raw steel which is expensive.

Anyway, very interesting times for container used as homes
and we are excited to develop these units and explore design options
for forestry bunk houses, mining and other utility uses.
Come over and visit us at zerocabin.com and drop me
a note.

Cheers,
Craig.

mr.x
February 21st, 2008, 09:55 AM
^ thx for the link, and welcome to the forums.


interesting renderings you have there....
http://zerocabin.com/images/modulute.jpg

deasine
February 22nd, 2008, 06:27 AM
Cool renderings! And welcome! =) Join $##### if you want too.

Neda Say
February 23rd, 2008, 12:19 AM
Hey all,

New user here and I stumbled upon this thread,,,

Keith Dewey and I are proposing that Whistler
use shipping containers for housing. Our proposal
can be veiwed over at http://www.zerocabin.com
Keith's company http://www.Zigloo.ca is the catalist that got this
momentum going so we have to give Keith credit for this great vision
and bringing the positives and logic of common sense
about using these containers as building blocks.

We are encouraged by the response we are getting at local
and provincial governments as well as Can. Export council
is looking at us providing solutions to the toxic trailers
in the US. We've heard of some making brand new units that are 10'
wide but our philosophy it to go green and re-use containers
rather than smelter raw steel which is expensive.

Anyway, very interesting times for container used as homes
and we are excited to develop these units and explore design options
for forestry bunk houses, mining and other utility uses.
Come over and visit us at zerocabin.com and drop me
a note.

Cheers,
Craig.

Great work guys.

You have a supporter here!

Trey
February 23rd, 2008, 07:32 AM
umm, personally i think construction trailers are more comfortable.
i build them for a living and just by looking at northern trailer/dm trailers storage yard of over 2100 buildings id say theres plenty to be shipped to whistler. a 500 man camp can be constructed in just a month or 2. don't see why they just don't use trailers instead, oh and yes they can be stacked. ive seen 5 story buildings constructed out of trailers.

i think they should look into atco trailer and northern trailer as a solution too.

mr.x
February 23rd, 2008, 07:51 AM
^ you have to build trailers.

With freight containers, you're reusing things.

Trey
February 23rd, 2008, 07:56 AM
ah, but if you read over what i wrote, you'll notice i mentioned storage yards full of these trailers.
just in kamloops alone we have over 400 buildings ready to go.
i know at the satiellite company, dm trailer in vancouver, they have about 400-600 buildings scattered around the lower mainland at 7 storage yards. i dunno where the rest of the 2100 buildings are stored though. all they have to do is truck these buildings out there, doesn't take much.

mr.x
February 23rd, 2008, 08:04 AM
^ it never hurts to try something new, especially if it works just the same....not to mention that there's a stigma surrounding with the trailer.


http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/a.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/b.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/c.jpg
http://zerocabin.com/images/whistler/d.jpg

Trey
February 23rd, 2008, 08:13 AM
the containers kinda remind me of trailers in a way.
the container itself is bare, but then you have to get a framer in there to frame up interior walls and install doors and windows, then an electrician to wire it, plumber to plumb it, then insulation can be installed and then drywall or panel board installed over the steel or wood studs..i dunno what they would use for framing..probably steel studs.
i just wanted to point out that these things still need time put into to them to make them habitable, whereas theres tons of portable buildings just sitting around bc waiting to be used.

mr.x
February 23rd, 2008, 08:31 AM
^ i highly doubt Whistler wants portables.

zerocabin
February 26th, 2008, 07:17 PM
Cool renderings! And welcome! =) Join SkyScraper Page if you want too.


Thanks! you'll have to excuse my ignorance but what is the
#########?

zerocabin
February 26th, 2008, 07:24 PM
^ i highly doubt Whistler wants portables.

That's the story as I understand it is that the town has been granted use of of 4 acres and has to be used for temp housing for workers. The problem is specifically;

"How can we temporarily house as many people as we can fit onto 4 acres and yet have the buildings removable once done in 2010"

After the Olympics the land is scheduled for further, luxury, development or what have you.

D J M K
September 5th, 2008, 01:03 AM
i guess the container homes have hit a snag....



Whistler container-housing plan collapses
Whistler tries to resurrect project after U.S. builder withdraws

Suzanne Fournier
The Province

Thursday, September 04, 2008

A Whistler company's plan to house workers in shipping containers has fallen flat because the U.S. builder has been unable to raise financing.

But Whistler Phoenix Corp. is hoping a new deal can rise from the ashes.

"We are disappointed that SG Blocks was not able to secure a firm commitment from a potential lender," Whistler Phoenix Corp. director Louise Lundy said yesterday.

She said SG Blocks wanted 70-per-cent financing but was offered only 50 per cent.

That left a shortfall of about $3 million for the $5-million-plus housing complex.

Lundy said it was a "difficult decision to end the relationship with SG Blocks and cancel the proposed project," which would have supplied employee housing leading up to the Olympics.

St. Louis-based SG (Safe Green) Blocks had proposed to house 308 employees in recycled shipping containers in Whistler. The housing was to be ready by Nov. 1.

Lundy said Phoenix is now talking to companies that have come forward, as well as to those that responded to the original call six months ago to supply temporary housing.

"It's a shot in the dark, given the late time-frame, but a lot of hard work has already been done," said Lundy, who is also head of the Whistler Chamber of Commerce.

A site has been secured and rezoned for temporary housing and a development permit approved, Lundy noted.

Whistler Mayor Ken Melamed acknowledged he is clinging to "faint hope" that a local supplier of temporary housing can be found.

"It's my understanding that [Phoenix] hasn't fully thrown in the towel," said Melamed.

"We've had an outpouring of offers by suppliers of temporary housing, from containers to tents, and mobile homes or RVs."

He said employee housing is urgently needed for "the next two Christmases and the Olympics," but will ease up after major construction projects are done and the 2010 Olympics are over.

Brian Good, Whistler-Blackcomb's employee experience manager, said the resort corporation was prepared to pay $500,000 in advance for 18 months' rent of the 42 beds it had been allocated in the doomed container project.

The resort has 1,300 dormitory-style beds, as well as access to subsidized housing and rental beds, and will if necessary seek temporary housing in nearby Pemberton and Squamish, as well as "options for moving people," said Good.

"We did have our hopes set on SG Blocks but we are cautiously hoping someone else will come forward in time."

SG Blocks spokesman Bruce Russell did not return calls yesterday but Lundy said the company was still trying yesterday to persuade Vancouver bankers to back them.

Lundy said potential suppliers must answer "some pretty key questions," such as "who is big enough and has the resources to pull it off quickly," in order to meet housing needs for this ski season and the next 18 months.

sfournier@theprovince.com

DrT
September 5th, 2008, 03:15 AM
^^
A site has been secured and rezoned for temporary housing and a development permit approved, Lundy noted.


The problem here is that this housing is temporary. I can't image why a bank would lend to such a project, except as a regular business loan to Whistler Phoenix Corp. There are certainly no mortgage loans secured by property to be had.

In a pinch, I can't imagine that plain mobile homes could not be used if the rent paid was enticing enough.

ssiguy2
September 6th, 2008, 04:53 AM
^ no kidding!

Mobile or modular homes are cheap, built off site so don't have to contend with Whistler labour costs, won't taker away from Whistler's current labour, and can be built quickly.
Even cheaper are those RV Trailers which are permanent structures and about 600 sq feet completly furnished. I've been in several and they are really cute. They could be put up on a sortof lego block system like Montreal's Expo housing. They would be functional and funky.

Oh wait, I forgot, the developers wouldn't like that............................oh well.

Mo Rush
September 20th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Modular accommodation is nothing new. Sydney used it extensively,Melbourne did it again in 2006...