I don't think so.
Houston needs more freeways - highways. It would be cool if Beltway were 'free'.!
But, basically we have only I-45 from north to south, and I-10 from East to West.
I wish highway 6 were the Freeway....

long story to tell about all Houston transportation problems, but, at least we need more freeways.


What do you think guys?

No, Houston does not need more freeways. We have I-10, I-45, US 59, I-610, Texas 249, Texas 288, Texas 225, US 290, and others. Houston needs to focus on more rail, which thankfully it is doing.

long story to tell about all Houston transportation problems, but, at least we need more freeways.


You just passed the bar exam to be a planner for the City of Houston.

You just passed the bar exam to be a planner for the City of Houston.

Basically.

Let's not stop at freeways, let's add more open-air super regional shopping complexes and other low density sprawl.

Does Houston have parking requirements with building codes? If not it should. No zoning laws, as long as you have 10.5 parking spaces per 1,000 square feet.

I don't think so.
Houston needs more freeways - highways. It would be cool if Beltway were 'free'.!
But, basically we have only I-45 from north to south, and I-10 from East to West.
I wish highway 6 were the Freeway....

long story to tell about all Houston transportation problems, but, at least we need more freeways.


What do you think guys?

clearly you have not read any literature on planning, transportation planning, the land use connection between transportation and the form of transit, or anything regarding sustainability or environmental planning in the united states for the past 30 years.

houston should tear down their freeways and turn towards sustainable development.

Ummmm I agree that freeways are bad, unfortunately however they are the best infrastructure in place for what they led to. Once you go suburban, you don't come back..well, you do, but it's a process that takes decades of gentrification and development. The freeways are here to stay.

clearly you have not read any literature on planning, transportation planning, the land use connection between transportation and the form of transit, or anything regarding sustainability or environmental planning in the united states for the past 30 years.

houston should tear down their freeways and turn towards sustainable development.
Uh...no.

I think Houston should raze its freeways, and replace them with dirt cart tracks. That should reduce traffic and sprawl :tongue2:

Houston has plenty of freeways. Each freeway corridor in the city goes through the different job economy of the city. 225 & 146 takes you through the Oil Refineries, & the Port of Houston which connects into 610 E. The 610 loop helps mange around the inner city, Beltway 8 helps mange around the outer city, 45 helps mange traffic for the South & North side jobs of the city such as NASA, the Airports, etc. & connects with I-10 for those in the CBD, & Heights. 59 helps mange the SW side and connects to 610 W for those in Uptown. 225 helps mange traffic from those coming from the suburban counties. 290 helps mange NW side with the warehouse industry on that side of town plus with those coming from Cypress. I-10 helps Baytown on the E side & Katy on the W side.


Basically, Houston has way more then enough freeways, if anything they will need to complete any expansions to help the traffic control which is long over due and as others stated focus primarily on train transportation. Once they have that in place then Houston is good.


When I was in Miami which is a city twice as small as Houston, they have excellent rail in place, which means Miami is thinking one step ahead of the game which Houston is not...

Houston does not need MORE freeways as much as it needs more emphasis on alternatives to the automobile. Houston is not congested because we do not have enough roads and freeways, we are congested because we have too many cars on the road, which goes back to transportation alternatives.....essentially more rail.

I don't believe rail is the 'holy grail' to our traffic and congestion problems, however a city the size and with the population of Houston, the freeway/road ratio to rail is so lopsided, how can rail NOT have some sort of impact? The strange phenomenon of people not willing to ride a bus but will ride a train, is more common than some people think, and given the opportunity to ride a train, I'm sure many people who normally drive everywhere would be using their cars less and it will be a huge success. Look at the success of the 7 mile red line. I've often said if people in the Woodlands could catch a train to downtown, then get on another train to Galveston or Kemah, they would do it. The reason it doesn't happen now is because the option to do so doesn't exist.

Now, I am not totally against freeways. In fact I thought the Katy Freeway should have been expanded, and I feel the same way about 290. But aggressive rail expansion should not be at the cost of these road expansions. In the past, rail has not gotten the attention it should have in Houston, and IMO though more rail is obviously moving forward, it is still not enough for me. The future is CLEARLY telling us less automobile use is going to be imperative, yet Houston (though not the only city), is making itself more and more convenient for the automobile. And don't get me started on the incredible amount of EVEN MORE TOLL ROADS coming down the line.

No more freeways. We have more than enough.

^^There are only two toll roads. One in Montgomery County, and the other along 290 (which will also be next to a commuter rail line).

Houston has plenty of freeways. Each freeway corridor in the city goes through the different job economy of the city. 225 & 146 takes you through the Oil Refineries, & the Port of Houston which connects into 610 E. The 610 loop helps mange around the inner city, Beltway 8 helps mange around the outer city, 45 helps mange traffic for the South & North side jobs of the city such as NASA, the Airports, etc. & connects with I-10 for those in the CBD, & Heights. 59 helps mange the SW side and connects to 610 W for those in Uptown. 225 helps mange traffic from those coming from the suburban counties. 290 helps mange NW side with the warehouse industry on that side of town plus with those coming from Cypress. I-10 helps Baytown on the E side & Katy on the W side.


Basically, Houston has way more then enough freeways, if anything they will need to complete any expansions to help the traffic control which is long over due and as others stated focus primarily on train transportation. Once they have that in place then Houston is good.


When I was in Miami which is a city twice as small as Houston, they have excellent rail in place, which means Miami is thinking one step ahead of the game which Houston is not...

Miami is a bad example. Only about 60,000 use their 22 miles+ heavy rail system. Not very good for a twenty year old system. Houston's seven mile light rail carries 45,000 right now, and has been opened for only four years.

Let's not stop at freeways, let's add more open-air super regional shopping complexes and other low density sprawl.

Why stop there!?!?!?! Lets annex more land!!!!!

I don't think so.
Houston needs more freeways - highways. It would be cool if Beltway were 'free'.!
But, basically we have only I-45 from north to south, and I-10 from East to West.
I wish highway 6 were the Freeway....

long story to tell about all Houston transportation problems, but, at least we need more freeways.


What do you think guys?

This is like asking, does the devil have enough souls? What a dumb question!

Why stop there!?!?!?! Lets annex more land!!!!!

The last time Houston annexed land was in 1995, and it doesn't want anymore.

The only sunbelt city east of Los Angeles and south of DC with any decent heavy-rail coverage and usage is Atlanta, with MARTA's two lines handing about 250,000 passengers on a typical weekday. Not bad considering much of the area it covers is pretty suburban. Why Miami is being brought into this comparison is beyond me.

^^Well, Atlanta is the only Sunbelt city, outside of Miami, with heavy-rail.

The last time Houston annexed land was in 1995, and it doesn't want anymore.

Was being sarcastic lol.

The last time Houston annexed land was in 1995, and it doesn't want anymore.

Why wouldn't it?

Why wouldn't it?

It doesn't need to. It recently gave up some ETJ land to The Woodlands, so The Woodlands can become its own city. ETJ is land that Houston can annex at a later date.

well, many people here are against more freeway.

well, suppose you need to go from like Sugar Land to 249 area, or Tamball or NorthWest, and you don't wanna pay toll on Beltway. the beltway is the only highway in west side of town. so, in that case you would drive on regular streets with lights, and possibly, traffic.

Oh well. The Grand Parkway will be complete in over ten years, so use that when it is complete.

I don't understand why people find the need to want to pave the entire city with nothing but road. Reminds me of the thread on city-data with the person asking why is Houston focusing on rail traffic now. Houston has enough freeways already.

but you know, Los Angeles and even Dallas FtWorth area have more freeways than Houston.

but you know, Los Angeles and even Dallas FtWorth area have more freeways than Houston.

And?

You guys are bashing on Houston, but does LA have that much rail outside the western LA area?

You guys are bashing on Houston, but does LA have that much rail outside the western LA area?

LA has close to 80 miles of rail built already (Red, Blue, Green, and Gold Lines), plus they are currently constructing two rail projects (Expo Line and Eastside Gold Line extension), and studying two additional lines (heavy rail subway to Santa Monica and Crenshaw Blvd light rail). There's also the Orange Line, but that's BRT, so I don't know if that counts. But at least it was a major transit project that is working BTW (the buses are constantly overcrowded).

West LA is in fact the one region of the metro area that doesn't currently have any rail service. It's also the most congested, which is why both the Expo Line and the subway to Santa Monica are being studied to pass through this area.

Check out the current LA metro map:
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/8159/2400254280067983183S600x600Q85.jpg

And here's the map with the current projects that are under construction:
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/43093/2837098070067983183S600x600Q85.jpg

That still isn't much for an area of LA's size, but Houston's isn't much right now either.

LA has close to 80 miles of rail built already (Red, Blue, Green, and Gold Lines), plus they are currently constructing two rail projects (Expo Line and Eastside Gold Line extension), and studying two additional lines (heavy rail subway to Santa Monica and Crenshaw Blvd light rail). There's also the Orange Line, but that's BRT, so I don't know if that counts. But at least it was a major transit project that is working BTW (the buses are constantly overcrowded).

West LA is in fact the one region of the metro area that doesn't currently have any rail service. It's also the most congested, which is why both the Expo Line and the subway to Santa Monica are being studied to pass through this area.

Check out the current LA metro map:
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/8159/2400254280067983183S600x600Q85.jpg

And here's the map with the current projects that are under construction:
http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/43093/2837098070067983183S600x600Q85.jpg

and??? LA is the second biggest city in north america with about close to 5 million people living within the city and about 17 million living in the metro area it needs something much bigger than that!

and??? LA is the second biggest city in north america with about close to 5 million people living within the city and about 17 million living in the metro area it needs something much bigger than that!

I'm not saying that is much for LA, but in terms of raw numbers, it's significant. That's close to 80 miles of rail built in the last 20 years, with more lines currently under construction or under study. By comparison, the DC Metro (which is considered one of the best transit systems in the country) is 106 miles long and is 40 years old. Atlanta only has 48 miles of rail and I believe Boston is 64 miles. If you took 70-80 miles of rail and put it in a medium sized city, it would be considered a pretty good system. LA's already built that, but since the place is so big, it's going to take much longer to build a significant system. But, it still takes the same amount of time to build one mile of rail in LA as it does in any other city. All I'm saying is, LA deserves at least some credit for trying to build a good transit system which is a lot more than can be said for many other American cities. Just think, before the year 1990, none of those rail lines you see on that map were there.

and??? LA is the second biggest city in north america with about close to 5 million people living within the city

Someone needs to recheck the census numbers and try looking at a map every once in a while. Last I checked, Mexico is part of North America. :ohno:

LA is the THIRD biggest city in North America (behind Mexico City and New York City) and 3.8 million isn't "about close to 5 million".

Someone needs to recheck the census numbers and try looking at a map every once in a while. Last I checked, Mexico is part of North America. :ohno:

LA is the THIRD biggest city in North America (behind Mexico City and New York City) and 3.8 million isn't "about close to 5 million".

lol. SNAP!

Let's not forget LA's rockin' bus system, which is second only to NYC in ridership figures. :cool:

LA is like Houston and that they love their cars. From the lowriders to the dayton's, LA has a strong car culture and it influenced Houston as well as the rest of the south. But kind of like Houston, LA is also trying to change that as they are seeing that they can't possibly build anymore road than they have now. I hope LA is successful on building those lines and I hope those lines have successful ridership numbers and continue to expand the system in not only the city, but the entire metro area.

My friend Sean and I were joking about how ridiculous this thread is... so we came up with several more needs for random cities:

Chicago needs more toll booths
Boston needs more Red Sox fans
LA needs more smog
Montgomery needs more spittoons
Columbia needs more confederate flags on the capitol grounds
Denver needs to be at a higher altitude
Green Bay needs more pride in the Packers
Seattle needs more clouds
Miami needs more humidity
Des Moines needs more corn
Phoenix needs more desert
Washington DC needs more elected officials
Salt Lake City needs more salt lake
Kansas City needs more Kansas
Nashville needs more twang
Louisville needs more sluggers
Tokyo needs more neon lights
Buffalo needs more snow
Philadelphia needs more cheese steaks
Niagra needs more waterfalls
Lil Flip needs more HIV

Someone needs to recheck the census numbers and try looking at a map every once in a while. Last I checked, Mexico is part of North America. :ohno:

LA is the THIRD biggest city in North America (behind Mexico City and New York City) and 3.8 million isn't "about close to 5 million".

i ment the US! and im sorry for the population status i was kinda stuck there but yea 4 millions it still a lot!

I seem to remember the estimate was a base approx $7 million of construction for every 1/2 mile of rail...

with a city the size of houston that's a whole freaking lot of money..

new rail.. new cars..new substations.. re-routing the utilities... crunching eminent domain muscles everywhere..etc

houston definitely needs more light rail

wow.. i've been gone like over a year

My friend Sean and I were joking about how ridiculous this thread is... so we came up with several more needs for random cities:

Chicago needs more toll booths
Boston needs more Red Sox fans
LA needs more smog
Montgomery needs more spittoons
Columbia needs more confederate flags on the capitol grounds
Denver needs to be at a higher altitude
Green Bay needs more pride in the Packers
Seattle needs more clouds
Miami needs more humidity
Des Moines needs more corn
Phoenix needs more desert
Washington DC needs more elected officials
Salt Lake City needs more salt lake
Kansas City needs more Kansas
Nashville needs more twang
Louisville needs more sluggers
Tokyo needs more neon lights
Buffalo needs more snow
Philadelphia needs more cheese steaks
Niagra needs more waterfalls
Lil Flip needs more HIV
Detroit needs more urban decay.

^^Haha! Orlando needs more theme parks.

is the author of this thread even old enough to drive?

My friend Sean and I were joking about how ridiculous this thread is... so we came up with several more needs for random cities:

Chicago needs more toll booths
Boston needs more Red Sox fans
LA needs more smog
Montgomery needs more spittoons
Columbia needs more confederate flags on the capitol grounds
Denver needs to be at a higher altitude
Green Bay needs more pride in the Packers
Seattle needs more clouds
Miami needs more humidity
Des Moines needs more corn
Phoenix needs more desert
Washington DC needs more elected officials
Salt Lake City needs more salt lake
Kansas City needs more Kansas
Nashville needs more twang
Louisville needs more sluggers
Tokyo needs more neon lights
Buffalo needs more snow
Philadelphia needs more cheese steaks
Niagra needs more waterfalls
Lil Flip needs more HIV

Paris needs more baguettes
London needs more pubs
Rome needs more coffee
Moscow needs more Putin ;)

Considering Houston's sprawling land use...no there are not enough freeways. However, I don't think building more is a good solution. Focusing on better land use management and auto-alternatives should take priority.

Are you kidding?

Houston is criss-crossed and then some by freeways.

Texas likes to use toll roads as a way to pay for their construction and make users bare the direct burden for their upkeep.

Houston already has three fuckin beltways for Christ sakes!

Rail is the only alternative. It might be more expensive per mile but uses less land and is non-polluting. Not to mention it spurs densification and urban renewal.

Houston doesn't have three beltways. At least no yet ;).

Are you kidding?

Houston is criss-crossed and then some by freeways.

Texas likes to use toll roads as a way to pay for their construction and make users bare the direct burden for their upkeep.



This is very true, with even more toll roads down the line. But the worst thing about it is, there is no place on the books that I know of where the tolls will eventually be eliminated once the projects are paid off. The revenue from the toll roads is being used for the building of even MORE toll roads.

The initial question of this thread was whether or not Houston has enough freeways, but I think the better question to be asked is why Houston is investing so much in toll roads and the building of toll roads in comparison to rail. Even with the current rail plans in Houston, the overwhelming focus is on more roads here, despite the future clearly telling us alternatives to the automobile is the direction we should be going. Though not alone, Houston is making itself more and more convenient for automobiles.

It would be nice if rail got the same amount of attention roads and tollways got in Houston.

^^What toll roads besides the Grand Parkway?

I can only think of two, and one will be built along US 290 and have a commuter rail line beside it. The other in Eastern Montogmery County. That's it.

Not alotta freeways here...nope...

http://www.houstonareaweb.com/freeways/houston_freeway_map2.gif

^^What toll roads besides the Grand Parkway?

I can only think of two, and one will be built along US 290 and have a commuter rail line beside it. The other in Eastern Montogmery County. That's it.

Well first, let's not minimize the size of the Grand Parkway (177 miles). That is huge! And the Hempstead Highway tollroad along 290 will be significant. And the East Montgomery county road will be more than a drop in the bucket. So those miles on top of the little over 100 miles of toll roads that currently exist (not including the tolls of Ft. Bend county), that is more than enough toll roads.

There is also plans for 288, the two new toll roads on the Katy Freeway that should be open within the next 2 years, and the miles of extensions on the Hardy, as well as extensions to Ft. Bend through Westbury, and a new road in Pasadena (I'm not quite sure about this but I think somewhere near Redbluff). Anyway, I think I would be ok with all of this, if the toll would be going away or reduced. All of the money Houstonians are paying in toll everyday right now is not going just for the upkeep of the roads they are driving on, their money is going to the building of ADDITIONAL TOLLWAYS. So money I am spending on the Westbelt, is about to to go a new toll road on 288. Houstonians were led to believe in the 80's once the Sam Houston tollway finished paying for itself, the tolls would be removed. Nothing was mentioned about the revenue being used for the building of new tollways.

Houston has enough Freeways and tollways, however again, I wish some of the aggression toward road and toll road expansion in Houston was going toward rail expansion.

Why don't you guys build more mass transit. :crazy:

^^Go to Metro Solutions (http://metrosolutions.com).

Well first, let's not minimize the size of the Grand Parkway (177 miles). That is huge! And the Hempstead Highway tollroad along 290 will be significant. And the East Montgomery county road will be more than a drop in the bucket. So those miles on top of the little over 100 miles of toll roads that currently exist (not including the tolls of Ft. Bend county), that is more than enough toll roads.

Okay.

There is also plans for 288, the two new toll roads on the Katy Freeway that should be open within the next 2 years, and the miles of extensions on the Hardy, as well as extensions to Ft. Bend through Westbury, and a new road in Pasadena (I'm not quite sure about this but I think somewhere near Redbluff). Anyway, I think I would be ok with all of this, if the toll would be going away or reduced. All of the money Houstonians are paying in toll everyday right now is not going just for the upkeep of the roads they are driving on, their money is going to the building of ADDITIONAL TOLLWAYS. So money I am spending on the Westbelt, is about to to go a new toll road on 288. Houstonians were led to believe in the 80's once the Sam Houston tollway finished paying for itself, the tolls would be removed. Nothing was mentioned about the revenue being used for the building of new tollways.

The Katy Freeway has tolls in the middle, but they are free to cars with three or more passengers. The Hardy Tollway extension into Downtown is not going to be a tollway. It is being expanded as a freeway. The Ft. Bend extension will just take the place of Post Oak and the small freeway there. That Red Bluff Freeway is dead and no new news about it in a while. That side of town has not grown as fast as once thought when NASA built there.

That 288 tollway is still up in the air. Still, it isn't like new land is being taken on them. It will be in the middle of the freeway. Commuter Rail is not an option for Pearland since it isn't a METRO Member City (yet).

Houston has enough Freeways and tollways, however again, I wish some of the aggression toward road and toll road expansion in Houston was going toward rail expansion.

Where have you been?

^^Go to Metro Solutions (http://metrosolutions.com).



Okay.



The Katy Freeway has tolls in the middle, but they are free to cars with three or more passengers. The Hardy Tollway extension into Downtown is not going to be a tollway. It is being expanded as a freeway. The Ft. Bend extension will just take the place of Post Oak and the small freeway there. That Red Bluff Freeway is dead and no new news about it in a while. That side of town has not grown as fast as once thought when NASA built there.

That 288 tollway is still up in the air. Still, it isn't like new land is being taken on them. It will be in the middle of the freeway. Commuter Rail is not an option for Pearland since it isn't a METRO Member City (yet).



Where have you been?

Trae my point is, the new Katy freeway toll roads are still toll roads and not rail. Whether the Hardy extention itself is free or not, you will still have to pay money to use it because it is connected to the Hardy toll road. And once you use the Ft. Bend extention, will you be able to exit for free before it connects with the existing Toll road? Lastly, 288 up in the air? Please. I am willing to bet you money this very moment, within 10 years there will be a toll road going down 288, and the money to build it will come from people who will not be using it when it is finished.

With regard to Metro, Trae no one has denied what is in Metro's future, but I ask you to reverse the tables in terms of building roads in Houston and the expansion of rail. Houston would have rail coming out of the wazoo by 2015. Can you deny road expansion gets waaaaay more attention than rail in Houston? Let me answer for you.....you cannot deny that.

If I may quote Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson, "Houston should have had rail years ago". And though rail is indeed expanding in Houston without any doubt, the expansion is not as aggressive as the expansion of roads and toll roads......and that is a problem in my eyes.

Trae my point is, the new Katy freeway toll roads are still toll roads and not rail. Whether the Hardy extention itself is free or not, you will still have to pay money to use it because it is connected to the Hardy toll road. And once you use the Ft. Bend extention, will you be able to exit for free before it connects with the existing Toll road? Lastly, 288 up in the air? Please. I am willing to bet you money this very moment, within 10 years there will be a toll road going down 288, and the money to build it will come from people who will not be using it when it is finished.

Have you forgotten that a commuter rail line is going to be built alongside the Westpark Tollway?

With regard to Metro, Trae no one has denied what is in Metro's future, but I ask you to reverse the tables in terms of building roads in Houston and the expansion of rail. Houston would have rail coming out of the wazoo by 2015. Can you deny road expansion gets waaaaay more attention than rail in Houston? Let me answer for you.....you cannot deny that.

If I may quote Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson, "Houston should have had rail years ago". And though rail is indeed expanding in Houston without any doubt, the expansion is not as aggressive as the expansion of roads and toll roads......and that is a problem in my eyes.

Houston isn't unique in this situation.

basically, Houston has only 1 freeway in west side of town - it is I-10 Katy freeway. I don't count beltway because it's toll way. that's why it's a lil bit difficult to drive in that area. there is also westpark, but it's toll way. very small piece of 99 highway, and that's it.

And that's enough, especially with commuter rail coming out there.

Trae - you mean 1 freeway for the well-developed west part of HOU is enough?

Yeah, especially when it is being widened into a monster.

My friend Sean and I were joking about how ridiculous this thread is... so we came up with several more needs for random cities:

Chicago needs more toll booths
Boston needs more Red Sox fans
LA needs more smog
Montgomery needs more spittoons
Columbia needs more confederate flags on the capitol grounds
Denver needs to be at a higher altitude
Green Bay needs more pride in the Packers
Seattle needs more clouds
Miami needs more humidity
Des Moines needs more corn
Phoenix needs more desert
Washington DC needs more elected officials
Salt Lake City needs more salt lake
Kansas City needs more Kansas
Nashville needs more twang
Louisville needs more sluggers
Tokyo needs more neon lights
Buffalo needs more snow
Philadelphia needs more cheese steaks
Niagra needs more waterfalls
Lil Flip needs more HIV

this thread needs more FAIL

Houston needs more mosquitoes.
Houston needs bigger cockroaches.
Houston needs more aggressive drivers.
Houston needs higher tolls on Beltway 8.

I could go on for hours.

this thread needs more FAIL
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houston needs to be completely leveled and a 1000 lane super-duper freeway put in its place.

Houston has more than enough freeways or tollways. What they need to do now is focus on expanding Light Rail and start building new commuter rail lines along 290 and 45 to Galveston.

basically, Houston has only 1 freeway in west side of town - it is I-10 Katy freeway. I don't count beltway because it's toll way. that's why it's a lil bit difficult to drive in that area. there is also westpark, but it's toll way. very small piece of 99 highway, and that's it.

Actually you have 2 more freeways going in a westerly direction: the Northwest Freeway (US 290) & the Southwest Freeway (US 59).

I am from Monterrey, Mexico, and I usually visit Texas for shopping, I've driven in Texas big cities, in San Antonio, Austin and Houston basically, I've never been in Dallas. My impresion is that comparing the cities size, San Antonio is better in freeways than Houston. So, comparing with San Antonio I can say that Houston needs more freeways. But I was wondering if you haven't ever thought how sustainable is to build more and more freeways and more and more sprawl. I mean, instead of freeways, maybe you can build Subways or Light Rail Trains, or something like that. My opinion is that for the future it is a better solution than continue sprawling the city.

this thread needs more FAIL

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Umm...WOW! Don't think I'll be seeing that at the Winn-Dixie anytime soon.