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Fezwan
February 20th, 2008, 09:07 PM
Article from 1997

The Amazigh Revival in Morocco

By Driss Benmhend

After years of repression, the Amazigh movement in Morocco is now going through a very active and decisive stage in the struggle for the recognition of the Moroccan Amazigh identity. More Imazighen are getting organized and involved in their local communities in order to denounce the marginalization of the Amazigh culture and language. More than a dozen Amazigh associations were created in the last five years. Moreover, newsstands and bookstores in all the major cities are filled with new Amazigh magazines and other publications that provide outstanding articles about the Amazigh culture.

This enthusiasm is not shared by the national press or the government controlled radio and television, however. Moroccan Amazigh children grow up hearing everyday that Morocco is part of the “Umma Arabia” (Arabic nation) which spreads from the Gulf to the Atlantic, making them Arabs in spite of themselves. Moreover, some people in the government and the parliament seem to be annoyed and disturbed by the revival of the Amazigh identity of Morocco, which they argue is advocated by people who are supported by foreign parties whose goal is to divide the country. These government and parliament representatives believe that Morocco needs to become Arab only, in order to maintain the national unity.

Since the dawn of history, Imazighen have lived in North Africa. The area was then known as Tamazgha. After the Arab invasion, this part of the world became known as Almaghrib. Although Imazighen were eventually converted to Islam, their ethnic and linguistic purity has remained. Little by little, however, Tamazgha or Almaghrib has started losing its original Amazigh identification. After being French, Italian, and Spanish, Tamazgha is now becoming known to the world as the Arab Maghreb after the creation of the so called “Maghreb Arab Union”.

It is very naive to consider Morocco Arab only, and to throw away all the historical facts that prove that after the Arab invasion, Amazigh dynasties (Almoravides, Almohades, Merinides, etc.) ruled Morocco for centuries. Moreover, almost half the Moroccan population of Morocco speaks Tamazight-Atlas, Tarifit or Tashalhit and uses them (in certain areas) as an exclusive mean of communication in daily socio-economic and cultural activities. Therefore, the official attempts to exclude the Moroccan identity of the Amazigh culture are a dangerous attack on the Moroccan people's right to enjoy its cultural and historical heritage. The bottom line is that Morocco is Amazigh, Arab, and African whether we like it or not. As Robert Kaplan once wrote: “Morocco is not an Arab country at all, but a Berber one with a deceptive Arab veneer.” The Amazigh heritage is what makes Morocco and other North African countries unique and different from the Arabs of the Near and Middle East. Furthermore, the Arab nationalism that the national media advocates is the real threat to our national unity, because of the anger and resistance that it creates among millions of Moroccans.

In spite of these hurdles, nothing can stop or even slow down the machine of revival. The Amazigh heart is beating stronger than ever. Amazigh associations in North Africa, Europe and the USA are working very hard not only to preserve the Amazigh culture but also to fight Arab cultural dominance in North Africa. Amazigh magazines are published not only in Tamazight but also in French and Arabic in order to reach out and encourage militancy amongst all citizens against the cultural discrimination against Tamazight. Furthermore, while the Maghreb Arab Union is still struggling to exist, the first Amazigh World Congress is meeting in the Canary Islands at the end of August in order to unite and streamline the efforts to preserve the Amazigh cultural heritage.

We have started seeing some results in the Amazigh struggle. In his speech of August 20, 1994, the king of Morocco stressed the necessity of preserving the Amazigh culture, and declared that Tamazight will begin to be taught in schools in Morocco. Moreover, since August 24th of 1994, the national television station started broadcasting the news in Tamazight three times a day. Even though these actions are only a small part of what we are striving for, and Tamazight courses are still not in school curricula in our nation, these achievements are a positive step toward reaching our ultimate goals. The king's (head of state) declaration shows that Imazighen have been taken seriously, and makes us more proud of our language and heritage. This is probably worth celebrating. However, celebration will be sweet once our Amazigh identity and cultural rights are fully restored. I am very optimistic, not because of what is achieved so far, but because of the strong commitment of Imazighen throughout the nation to push our sacred cause further towards the reinstatement of the Amazigh linguistic and cultural rights. There is more work to be done at the local and national level, in order to educate and motivate all Imazighen to rise against the cultural discrimination and assert their identity rights.

http://www.wafin.com/driss.phtml

Rabat_M6_lover
February 20th, 2008, 09:18 PM
redaonline what do you mean by some kbayles are trying to influence the amazigh morrocans !!!
why we are like the stranges in our country ????????????????
we want just our legal rights :
amazigh language become national and officiel
learning amazigh and tifinagh in all morocco and consider the amazigh an important language not annexe
permission the amazigh names ... more care about amazigh people amazigh culure amaigh as human

Rabat_M6_lover
February 20th, 2008, 09:21 PM
thank's fezwan i hope the discusion will be objective
just a question you are from berkan ??

MoroccanChica
February 21st, 2008, 02:41 AM
Why was Fezwan banned? Did I miss something juicy? :)

Rabat_M6_lover
February 21st, 2008, 12:25 PM
Why was Fezwan banned? Did I miss something juicy? :)

:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Mister79
February 21st, 2008, 01:43 PM
Weberber is banned too

Very strange things are happing here..

MoroccanChica
February 21st, 2008, 02:31 PM
Was Weberber a new member? :dunno:

madao
February 21st, 2008, 02:42 PM
i think so but he was bringing a good contribution to this thread :O

Rabat_M6_lover
February 21st, 2008, 02:48 PM
who banned all the nembers here ? which admin ?

Purple Dreams
February 21st, 2008, 05:12 PM
Weberber is banned too

Very strange things are happing here..

aren't they (weberber & fezwan) the same person :dunno:

Al Idrissi
February 21st, 2008, 05:18 PM
Primo: cette question ne concerne que les maghrébins arabes c a dire qui ont comme langue maternelle l'arabe. De plus , les arabes du moyen orient parlent aussi un dialecte.

Deuxieme point : lorsque tu parle de Darija et de tamazight, il faudrait que tu précise qu'ils n'existent QUE des DIALECTES berberes et non pas une langue littéraire tamazight.

Troisieme point : que les moyen orientaux ne nous comprennent pas bien ce n'est pas notre prôblême. Le vocabulaire est arabe avec du français. S'ils ne comprennent pas c qu'ils n'ont pas l'habitude avec nos dialectes.

Quatrieme point : les arabes du moyen orient ne détienne pas le cerificat d'arabité. nous sommes autant arabes qu'eux. y 'en a marre de nous parler du moyen orient. nous sommes arabes du maghreb indépendemment d'eux.


Enfin le but politique est claire c de désarabiser le Maghreb. on parle d"amazighité" "dariha", etc... Mais sache que nous tenons a notre identit" autant que vous. Sache que si un jour une dicature berberiste (c de la science fiction) prenait le pouvoir au maghreb il n'arrivera pas a mettre son projet a bien parce que combattre pour les droits linguistique et culturel des berbere : OUI. Combattre l'identité de la MAJORITE des maghrébins (arabe) alors NON!

Al Idrissi
February 21st, 2008, 05:21 PM
Arretez de tout ramener au Moyen Orient aussi!
Enfin moi qui suis arabophone de naissance. Je suis pour l'arabe littéraire.
Nous arabes du maghreb nous savons qui nous sommes. Nous sommes attaché a notre identité et aux peuples qui partage la même identité.
Combattez pour la promotion de votrelangue au lieu de vouloir emputé le maroc d'une part essentille de luimême. Parce que vous n'y arriverez jamais. Parce que la promotion de langue berberene se fera qu'avec la réabilitation de la berberité a coté de l'arabité comme fondement de la personnalité marocaine.

Rabat_M6_lover
February 22nd, 2008, 01:43 AM
Primo: cette question ne concerne que les maghrébins arabes c a dire qui ont comme langue maternelle l'arabe. De plus , les arabes du moyen orient parlent aussi un dialecte
primo y'as pas des arabes au maghreb surtout au maroc pas plus de 5/100 qui sont d'origines arabes les autres sont ete arabises
Deuxieme point : lorsque tu parle de Darija et de tamazight, il faudrait que tu précise qu'ils n'existent QUE des DIALECTES berberes et non pas une langue littéraire tamazight
ces dialectes amazigh sont eux memes des langues !!!
tu sais bien que la langue latine a engendre le francais espagnole italien et portugais
la langue amazigh et le tifinagh amazigh sont tres tres tres anciens pour cela il existe aujourd'hui tarifit tachel7it tamazight ect ect
Troisieme point : que les moyen orientaux ne nous comprennent pas bien ce n'est pas notre prôblême. Le vocabulaire est arabe avec du français. S'ils ne comprennent pas c qu'ils n'ont pas l'habitude avec nos dialectes
c'est parceque les marocains ne sont pas tres jaloux a leur pays et ils n'essayent meme pas de parler avec leur dialecte pas parceque notre dialecte est difficile :bash:
alors ils comprennet l'anglais le francais ect et ils ne peuvent pas comprendre un dialecte arabe
Quatrieme point : les arabes du moyen orient ne détienne pas le cerificat d'arabité. nous sommes autant arabes qu'eux. y 'en a marre de nous parler du moyen orient. nous sommes arabes du maghreb indépendemment d'eux.

j'ai deja parle dans le premier point :)
Enfin le but politique est claire c de désarabiser le Maghreb. on parle d"amazighité" "dariha", etc... Mais sache que nous tenons a notre identit" autant que vous. Sache que si un jour une dicature berberiste (c de la science fiction) prenait le pouvoir au maghreb il n'arrivera pas a mettre son projet a bien parce que combattre pour les droits linguistique et culturel des berbere : OUI. Combattre l'identité de la MAJORITE des maghrébins (arabe) alors NON!


personne ne veut combatre l'arabe
mais arretez de considerer les amazigh comme des gens su deusieme classe :ohno:
dans notre constitution l'arabe c'est la langue nationale et officielle
c'est vraiment la honte comme meme les amazighs sont 60/100 des marocains :)

rocknroll08
February 25th, 2008, 06:18 AM
It would be nice if Morocco could legally and constitutionally be proud of its ethnic diversity.

Rabat_M6_lover
February 25th, 2008, 02:34 PM
It would be nice if Morocco could legally and constitutionally be proud of its ethnic diversity.

morocco must doing this
if not so 60/100 of moroccan are not consideretad as morrocan people :ohno:

The Tangiers
March 9th, 2008, 07:35 PM
This is the reasson i maried a berber lady,
it´s over for us unfortenatly .me as an Arab i let the nature
to their things. about 20 years the Imazighen language goen be official, and de French second same whit English, our Language go back behinde the doors of te the moskes (as the US air Force not take them outlike in Fallujah)
were it came from, farewel my beloved Arab language,
i can bet my life on it!


Better unite under Berber Flag, than divide under Arab ideologie.

MOROCCO-ALGERIE-TUNIS-LYBIA-MAURITANIA one for all and all for one
lets face the DAJJAL this time whit Amazigh as language !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rabat_M6_lover
March 10th, 2008, 12:26 AM
daer it's us who make our nature and our future !!!

The Tangiers
March 10th, 2008, 01:46 PM
daer it's us who make our nature and our future !!!

That is what i said my brother.

Rabat_M6_lover
March 10th, 2008, 02:31 PM
That is what i said my brother.

ok you dont agree with me that's we must make the amazigh as an officiel and national language ??

The Tangiers
March 11th, 2008, 02:44 PM
ok you dont agree with me that's we must make the amazigh as an officiel and national language ??

The Amazigh culture and language was always a part of Morocco,
when i was young i heard people speak and sing in Amazigh.

I´m a big supporter to give every thing related to Amazigh
a place in our soseity.

But the question stay how whe gone do that, par example,
to make Amazigh and the Arab Language bothe official.

PS , outside of al this things, have write 20 years ago many letters
to Damascus, Bagdad, Cairo, Mekka and Medina,
to expulse our few thousand Arab cityzens who living in Morocco,
back to their roots ,in our beloved Arabie thats between Mecca and Medina.

PS 2 from the 33 milion Moroccans are 200.000 real Arabs,
the GCC can easly absorb us back in our motherland.

Rabat_M6_lover
March 11th, 2008, 02:49 PM
The Amazigh culture and language was always a part of Morocco,
when i was young i heard people speak and sing in Amazigh.

I´m a big supporter to give every thing related to Amazigh
a place in our soseity.

But the question stay how whe gone do that, par example,
to make Amazigh and the Arab Language bothe official.

PS , outside of al this things, have write 20 years ago many letters
to Damascus, Bagdad, Cairo, Mekka and Medina,
to expulse our few thousand Arab cityzens who living in Morocco,
back to their roots ,in our beloved Arabie thats between Mecca and Medina.

PS 2 from the 33 milion Moroccans are 200.000 real Arabs,
the GCC can easly absorb us back in our motherland.

ok i agree with you but what about expulsion of the 200.000 real arabs i dont untrstand any thing !!

Mister79
March 11th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Untill 1900 in Tanger was only spoken Tamazight.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/rif-fotos/docs/tanger-rif.jpg


Untill the seventies. People in Marrakech spoke only Tamazight in Marrakech...

A lot of cities in Morocco have been arabized.

Rabat_M6_lover
March 11th, 2008, 03:51 PM
oh mister i'm so sad to know this bad informations
but the rifian people still immovable in tangiers but specialy in tetuan
near marakesh still 100/100 amazighi but that's true 90/100 of the city have been arabized

Rabat_M6_lover
March 11th, 2008, 03:52 PM
very intresting article in arabic to the tangiers
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%84%D8%BA%D8%A9_%D8%A3%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%A9

Rabat_M6_lover
March 11th, 2008, 03:58 PM
for you mister and all in english


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazigh_language

they says that's the amazigh is soooooooooooo old and ols than the arabic too

utopianvision
March 20th, 2008, 01:01 AM
most of marocco is made up of amizigh ,there are so many that deny there heritage as well as all the other heritages,i my self like many oujdians realise who my ancesters are.But im not eager to learn the amizgh language simply because there is no point other than for historical reference.I would learn business languages like french,spanish,chinese,english and arabic.These are the worlds major language for commerce and science .Like arabic was during the islamic golden age.I Would never NEVER intentionaly marginalise my self by learning only one language that only few countries ever head of. arabic is what created or founded marocco under moulay idriss I ,before that you had hundreds of feuding berber tribes but never a united berber front.The people of marocco can be thankful or all our heritages(berber,phoenitions,romans,byzantine,arab)

Rabat_M6_lover
March 20th, 2008, 02:09 AM
most of marocco is made up of amizigh ,there are so many that deny there heritage as well as all the other heritages,i my self like many oujdians realise who my ancesters are.But im not eager to learn the amizgh language simply because there is no point other than for historical reference.I would learn business languages like french,spanish,chinese,english and arabic.These are the worlds major language for commerce and science .Like arabic was during the islamic golden age.I Would never NEVER intentionaly marginalise my self by learning only one language that only few countries ever head of. arabic is what created or founded marocco under moulay idriss I ,before that you had hundreds of feuding berber tribes but never a united berber front.The people of marocco can be thankful or all our heritages(berber,phoenitions,romans,byzantine,arab)
salam welcome here
first i say that's before 'ii say for you
here in morocco as yu know and you see arabs in rabat casa ... ect they are not proudly arabic people !!
they just speak in all the world language exept ther language why i dont know
you can see that's in hospitals hotels pharmacys tv internet ... ect
but the amazigh is so so so proudly and he loves the country and the amazigh language !
so why not we cant have an amazigh education in all morocco
first why the amazigh is not admitted as national language leastways if is not official !
why we cant nommineted our children by amazigh names we choice it !
but the amazigh still alive thank's GOD all people phased the history wants windup the amazigh culture : hellenics phoenicians romans europeens and finnaly the arabs !
Amazigh rights righ NOW