Posting on Malacca government & public transportMalacca government takes public transport to a new level (http://transitmy.org/2010/03/15/malacca-public-transport/)
I believe that Malacca Chief Minister Mohd. Ali Rustam, or someone in his government, is definitely a fan of public transport. How else can one explain the flurry of announcements, comments, and projects, all related to public transport, that have come out of Seri Negeri (the CM’s office) over the past 5 years.

At last count, Mohd. Ali Rustam has talked about introducing LRT, Monorail, a KTM rail link to Tampin, Monorail (again), a High Speed Rail Link from KL to Singapore (via Malacca), Aerorail, and now the proposed tram system. And on top of that, he has also talked about reorganizing the bus system through contracting out public transport services to private companies.

So with all this enthusiasm from the government, why is public transport in Malacca the same as it was 5 years ago? The only noticeable changes have been the arrival of the PMCT Panorama Malacca bus owned by the MBMB, and the opening of Malacca Sentral – hardly revolutionary projects.

I believe that the lack of significant improvements to public transport in Malacca and other states is because the state governments are waiting for Federal guidance and federal funding. Whenever I talk to people in government at the state level, I invariably hear that “transport is a federal responsibility according to the constitution” and “we don’t have the money”.

But the federal government only has the responsibility for regulating public transport. Any state government or local government can take the initiative and apply for permits and provide public transport themselves (like Putrajaya and Malacca town do) or contract the service out to a private company (like Cyberjaya does). Or if they prefer to avoid the need for permits, they can simply offer free shuttle buses (like Petaling Jaya’s community shuttle bus).

We can only hope that the new SPAD (the Public Land Transport Commission) will work to encourage local and state governments to take up a greater role in providing public transport. The first they can do is download the planning & management of public transport to local or state authorities. These authorities can then hire private bus operators to provide public transport services, or operate the services themselves.

Cheers, m

1) Does the population of Melaka justified to have a mass transit such as train? we are not even good in rapid transport --> busses.
2) Does tourist, visitor that comes to mlk willing to drop of their cars and take the train where it doesn't send them anywhere? (if so, does inner city infrastructure suits for leisure walk?! ask yourself if you are a malaccan. Do you really walk from one place to one another and take the bus?)
3) Research? Where are the data? Stats? Graphs? please justified.. talking thru newspaper, hrmm I can write a wonderlands report.

Is really nice to see melaka city to develop and grow but everything should come with its pace and tone.
just my two cents and suggestion:
1) Build more carparks around Melaka Toursit places, shopping malls (multilayer and such), even we live in malacca thinks that we need more carparks. (Once you have the facility for parking, you wont have violation parking that jams the road) did they not notice that!!!! you have thousand of cars trying to pack into one single place!! exp: Pahlawan ( you have shopping malls, tourist attractions, melaka raya, hospital, hotels and schools!!!) PLEASE.. and u have a pity 30% carpark space for all that. Trust me, even with trains, it will still jam. I promise you! Tourist are here for comfort, fun, happy times. and you want them sweat themself walking from place to place (talks about when they have babies/kids) our weather doesn't permit us. lets be more realistic!!

2) Build more walkways or pedestrian streets, for the ease of tourist to walk freely in the city. River side walk is the most splendid idea (tat i gave applause) but you can make it better. The walk can be complete as a circle walk where you can have morning joggers to have a jogging path and afternoon a smooth walk down the river and nite time a scenic walk. We dun even have a nice walkway for people and you are expecting tourist to walk!!! from hotels to station or station to tourist spot, shopping malls!! For singaporean they will laugh at us for such lack of facilities.

3) Some important routes should be proper redesign, need experience transportation enginer to design and studied. not some funny funny suggestion. not all malacca road is congested. Only key roads. I believe there are solution for it. less traffic lights, less stop time.

4)Sorry to said that the tourist attraction in malacca is a sad story as well, is been years since i have visited those places and it was poorly manage and damage. I hope it had improve and so.

Lets start improving this before you want to make something that maybe we malaccans have to pay for the debt. MORE CAR PARKS, MORE INNER CITY IMPROVEMENT. We dun have the capacity to sustain a train cost. The trains runs everyday, not once a month and it needs maintenace. and wat is the breakeven numbers for its cost?! wat it the minimum rides to sustain it maintenace. With 250k passenger a month, i can write 1 million passenger a month. (who knows!!) What if you dun get a steady average 100k passenger a month for a year!! As we know, tourism are seasonal.

cheers

~~ we know we have no power to change anything, I am just here to whine ~~~

wouldn't more car park lead to more car? just like the current status quo where melakan assume there will be no parking,and just play on the outskirt rather than downtown..people voalate traffic ruls is not due to lack of carpark.its because they can and selfish with no enforcement to law breaker..come on theres lot of parking in melakaraya....but people will just park in the middle of the road to go because they are malas nak jalan..

well i do walk, i love it i had been walking since secondary school..walking in melaka is fun, lots of interesting thing to see,lots of food to stop n eat, maybe coz i live in banda hilir, sometimes i do take the panorama (now rm1 per ride) if i feel so malas,but don relly like it coz it always full.. but walking is not an option after dark as most shop are close and it fells a little bit creepy...yes the bus do stop at where most melakan or tourist like to go..the drawback is the waiting time and the buss stop at 10pm..the infra is not really there, but there are trees and shop that covers from the sun, melaka driver also drive like old uncle, so i feel quiet safe walking on the road, and they almost always stop to allowed you to cross the road..as for the weather, melaka is windy so its really not an issues on wheather, it really suitable for pleasing strool and walk..

as for the traffic light, just need to convert more 1 way street..melakan need mind change if taking busses is too hard, buy a motorcycle, there are guarded parking everywhere,and located always at the main enterence, car here are slow and it cheap. as except for panorama other bus are old,hot,shakky,expensive, not regular and always full,and often at night, they just cancel and leave you stranded

smart ali has done it again

Mudahkan Penumpang Ketahui Jadual Perjalanan
BAS AWAM DILENGKAPI GPS

MUNICH, JERMAN, 22 Mac - Kerajaan negeri berminat mencontohi sistem pandu arah geografikal (GPS) yang digunakan bas awam di Bandaraya Salzburg kira-kira 140 kilometer dari sini ke arah meningkatkan lagi sistem pengangkutan awam di negeri Melaka.

Ketua Menteri, Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam berkata, sistem itu lebih tepat dan membolehkan penumpang mengetahui tempoh perjalanan sebelum bas berkenaan tiba di stesennya.

Beliau berkata, sistem itu boleh dikendalikan oleh pemandu atau dipasang secara automatik di bas awam terutama bas Panorama bagi membolehkan penumpang mengetahui tempoh bas itu tiba di mana-mana stesen.

"Penggunaan sistem ini dianggap praktikal kerana ia mudah dikendalikan oleh pemandu atau dipasang secara automatik pada bas terutama pada bas panorama.

"Teknologi ini boleh diaplikasi di Melaka kerana kita sudah mencapai status Negeri Maju 2010, ia akan dimulakan oleh bas Panorama," katanya.:lol::lol:

Ketua Menteri berkata demikian selepas meninjau bersama Yang di-Pertua Negeri, Tun Mohd Khalil Yaakob, kira-kira empat jam di Bandaraya Pelancongan Sulzburg di sini, petang semalam.

Terdahulu delegasi Melaka yang kini dalam rangka lawatan kerja ke negara Eropah itu turut menaiki kereta kabel di pergunungan bandaraya itu setinggi 1,467 meter dari paras laut yang turut diselaputi salji.

;lol:Mengenai pembinaan kereta kabel di Melaka, Ketua Menteri berkata, setakat ini kerajaan negeri masih menunggu pelabur yang berminat membangunkan sistem pengangkutan itu dari Eye On Malaysia (EOM) ke pasaraya Parkson, Mahkota Parade dan seterusnya ke Pulau Melaka.:lol:

"Jika ada pelabur yang berminat, mereka boleh menghubungi kerajaan negeri melalui Bahagian Promosi Pelancongan (BPP)" katanya.:nuts::nuts:

Beliau menyifatkan lawatan ke bandaraya itu berjaya:lol::lol: kerana dapat meningkatkan pengetahuan dari segi pengurusan bangunan lama, di samping meninjau sendiri pendekatan yang digunakan untuk menarik jutaan pelancong ke bandaraya tertua itu.

Katanya, pemasangan papan tanda juga lebih sistematik dan konsep ini juga boleh diperkenalkan oleh pihak berkuasa tempatan di Melaka.

Turut serta dalam lawatan itu, Setiausaha Kerajaan Negeri Melaka, Datuk Wira Omar Kaseh dan dua Ahli Exco Kerajaan Negeri iaitu Datuk Latiff Tamby Chik dan Datuk Md Yunos Hussin..


bas tak cukup ader hati pasang GPS..:nuts::nuts:

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^^
Hmmm... it looks more like billboard poles to me

I still dont understand the logic behind it!I am sure it will take the weight of the pillar just fine but would it not be better if the weight is equally distributed by having the plate resting evenly on the concrete?Perhaps flexiblity for earthquakes?

States’ role in public transport

I BELIEVE that Malacca Chief Minister Datuk Seri Ali Rustam, or someone in his government, is definitely a fan of public transport.

How else can one explain the flurry of announcements, comments, and projects, all related to public transport, that have come out of Seri Negeri over the past five years?

At last count, the Chief Minister has talked about introducing LRT, Monorail, a KTM rail link to Tampin, a high-speed rail link from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (via Malacca), Aerorail, and now the proposed tram system.

On top of that, he has also talked about reorganising the bus system through contracting out public transport services to private companies.

So with all this enthusiasm, why is public transport in Malacca the same as it was five years ago?

The only noticeable changes have been the arrival of the PMCT Panorama Malacca bus and the opening of Malacca Sentral – hardly revolutionary.

I believe that the lack of significant improvements to public transport in Malacca and other states is because the state governments are waiting for Federal guidance and Federal funding.

Whenever I talk to government people at the state level, I invariably hear that “transport is a Federal responsibility according to the constitution” and “we don’t have the money”.

But the Federal Government only has the responsibility for regulating public transport.

Any state government or local government can take the initiative and apply for permits and provide public transport themselves, or contract the service out to a private company.

Or if they prefer to avoid the need for permits, they can simply offer free shuttle buses.

We can only hope that the new Public Land Transport Commission will work to encourage state governments to play a greater role in providing public transport.

The first thing they can do is download the planning and management of public transport to local or state authorities.

These authorities can then hire private bus operators to provide public transport services, or operate the services themselves.

As for Malacca, the succession of announcements have not done much to increase the confidence of public transport users.

Now the Chief Minister has proposed a 50km-tram network, using a tram powered by natural gas which is supposedly the first in the world.

In a way, I am happy to see that he has realised that trams are the most efficient and flexible way to move public transport – they have the speed and capacity of an LRT but their cost is far lower.

For example, the Malacca tram is projected to cost about RM10mil per km, compared to the RM250mil per km projected for the LRT extension.

Sadly, there is no way that the Government can introduce a tram system to the city in time for Merdeka Day 2011.

For one thing, the Government still has to decide whether a tram is legally a train, which is subjected to the Railways Act and regulated by the Department of Railways, or a road vehicle which is subjected to the Road Transport Act and regulated by the Road Transport Department, or a combination of both and subjected to both Acts and regulated by both agencies.

Then there is the other concern that MRails International and its tram-operating subsidiary have no experience in planning, building, managing or operating any type of public transport system, anywhere in the world.

Can we trust the future of our public transport to a company with no experience in public transport?

MOAZ YUSUF AHMAD,
Petaling Jaya.

The only problem is "CAKAP TAK SERUPA BIKIN" time and time again lip service hot air preposals!!!The bottom line is always this....
Whenever I talk to government people at the state level, I invariably hear that “transport is a Federal responsibility according to the constitution” and “we don’t have the money”.

Response letterBe practical and logical to improve public transport (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/4/1/focus/5976796&sec=focus) (The Star)

BEING an avid public transport user here and in my travels, I find Moaz Yusof Ahmad’s letter “States’ role in public transport” (Sunday Star, March 21) enlightening.

It would seem incredible that the authorities are flummoxed over legislation governing multi-model public transport, when such systems have been in operation elsewhere for decades.

Hampering progress on the grounds of tangled legal issues is no excuse for the times we live in. All legislation is man-made and can be changed.

Admittedly, public transport is a complex activity with far-reaching ramifications. When changes are made, there is a need to take a practical and logical approach with common sense.

There are numerous instances in the current system, particularly in Kuala Lumpur, that defies sensible expectations.

The fare structure for Rapid buses, for instance, was designed to relieve passengers the burden of carrying coins and enable the driver to move off soon after picking up passengers by having fares in round numbers.

The last revision has undone this sensible concept by reintroducing “stage fares”, resulting not only in a colossal fare increase but burdening passengers as they have to be prepared with coins as drivers are not required to return the difference.

Then there’s the anomaly where “Rapid” operates the LRT (former Putra Line) but the concession passes for Rapid buses are not valid for use on the Rapid LRT system.

Similarly, the ERL to KLIA is available on a concession for senior citizens but their travel is restricted to the ERL Transit (non-express service).

When senior citizens arrive at KLIA on the Transit Service, they end up at a different platform, devoid of any luggage trolleys and have to struggle with their luggage.

The Sentral Transport Hub is a hive of activity seven days a week. However, access to the terminal from the Brickfields side is a tortuous walk to a bottle-necked single lane lift to the upper levels and a limited capacity, poorly maintained lift.

When the escalator fails, it is a harrowing experience for the elderly and children.

For those who come off the KLIA buses with heavy luggage, the experience can be especially bad.

PAT ABRAHAM,
Kuala Lumpur.Cheers, m

I believe that the lack of significant improvements to public transport in Malacca and other states is because the state governments are waiting for Federal guidance and Federal funding.

Whenever I talk to government people at the state level, I invariably hear that “transport is a Federal responsibility according to the constitution” and “we don’t have the money”.


I hate hearing this things...I thought local governments know better than the Federal government about their area. I am curious why other countries can do better in their public transport performance? is it due to less funding from central/federal government and instead more money from their own source of revenue?

I am curious why other countries can do better in their public transport performance? is it due to less funding from central/federal government and instead more money from their own source of revenue?

Your question depends on which other countries you refer to. America is the worst offender in this terms. Forget New York subway, or the Chicago El, everywhere else from LA to Houston to Seattle to Miami is infested by cars.

Malaysia had earlier followed the model of "American suburban dream", recognising the car literally as the engine to move the country forward at a time when European cities start to develop public transport because the urban density simply couldn't accommodate too many cars.

Compare Singapore and KL, both cities were similar in urban transport performance during the 1960s, where bus was a major way of travel. Some time in the 1970s, Singapore realised that the increase in car numbers will eventually threaten the economy and environment of the city-state and thus begun a series of transport reformation starting with the improving of BUS services (MRT has not come into the picture yet). When the city became accustomed to the bus-based public transport system, the growth in car numbers were deliberately retarded by means of taxes and ERP. This allowed a window for the role of a higher-volume MRT to shine.

The diverging point was in the 1970s. In KL, a national automobile industry whose name is no stranger to anyone was conceived and providing public transport was relegated to list of last things to be considered in the government. To encourage public transport is fine, but to stunt the growth of car numbers in the country is suicidal for the economy. The path that KL has chosen is very similar to Bangkok, where the car is so deeply entrenched in the urban fabric. Take a quick look at the map of Klang Valley and you'll find pockets of urban densities concentrated along major highways and main roads. None were conceived along along railway tracks with the exceptions of pre-war settlements like Kajang, Rawang or Klang.

Now, the government has not relate a very important point to public transport: Proton and Perodua were given more incentives and their growth in numbers were not brought into relation at all with public transport use. This is because the government will be in a dilemma when this happens.

Public transport initiatives were implemented. Bus lanes were created. Problem: no enforcement. That explains why there was a need to create the peribahasa hangat-hangat tahi ayam.

Singapore was fine all along because it brought in future planning. KL came into this mess because of automobile industry, lack of proper planning and most importantly, the heavy reliance of the urban structure on cars. Run a line thru Damansara. How many people actually live within walking distance to a station compared to the whole neighbourhood? How many people actually benefit from the LRT in PJ without actually driving to it? Cars are inevitable in a Malaysian society. KL residential areas are too spread out and planned without critical consideration for alternative transport. Look at the existing suburban LRT stations, which one is actually strategically placed? To cut cost, the train runs along disused mining railway routes which all developers ignore, neglect, abandon and avoid. If you look closely, the concentration of activities (retail, residential, office, leisure) in a neighbourhood rarely occurs close to an LRT station, if there is any. All these years, the car ruled the city. The magnitude of car dependence is very high and it is not surprising to see only 16% of public transport use in the city.

There is something we can learn from Singapore and Hong Kong. And the cliche is true. Its called transit oriented development, where new high density developments are concentrated within 800m (walking distance) of a transit station to produce a sustainable environment for the running of the mass transit system and vice versa. KL's most prominent example is KL Sentral. Elsewhere, the principle of urban density and transport demand is totally thrown out the window. Luxury condominiums (high density) owned by high-income people who could afford cars concentrate at hilltops while the more ubiquitous low- to middle-class suburbs are allowed to spread out so widely that completely defeats the purpose of public transport and encourage car use. If owning a car is increasingly seen as a personal economic achievement (not helped with local car manufacture industry), development will tend to steer towards using the car, more tolled roads:ohno:, highways, parking etc, the harder it is to encourage the use of public transport. In my opinion, while the public has to be blamed for the stigma attached to public transport, the larger blame has to go to the authorities for allowing this to perpetuate. Its not difficult to see how even the most efficient public mass transit infrastructure could easily fail in this circumstance.

In my opinion, funding source has little to do with public transport performance. It is the planning, execution, and a variety of other uncontrolled factors like car industry, public security, public perception on cars, safety and privacy that prevent the improvement of public transport. Although there is a current move to improve public transport, and I applaud that, the challenges that needs to be overcome is larger than we think. Will the public transport share actually rise to the targeted level? Is 25% all we're looking for? I know these are questions that can't be answered at the moment, but ensuring that these will happen is, in my opinion, more important than creating the ambition.

It's a long essay and I thank/apologise for reading/having to read what I've actually summarised from my Master's Year dissertation. There are things missing like the absence of a single transport authority etc which would require a whole thread to be dedicated to. Funding is not really the issue if it could be dealt with proper management. With politics interfering at almost every stage of decision-making, my greatest fear is that KL will not go far with public transport.

Your question depends on which other countries you refer to. America is the worst offender in this terms. Forget New York subway, or the Chicago El, everywhere else from LA to Houston to Seattle to Miami is infested by cars.

Malaysia had earlier followed the model of "American suburban dream", recognising the car literally as the engine to move the country forward at a time when European cities start to develop public transport because the urban density simply couldn't accommodate too many cars.

Compare Singapore and KL, both cities were similar in urban transport performance during the 1960s, where bus was a major way of travel. Some time in the 1970s, Singapore realised that the increase in car numbers will eventually threaten the economy and environment of the city-state and thus begun a series of transport reformation starting with the improving of BUS services (MRT has not come into the picture yet). When the city became accustomed to the bus-based public transport system, the growth in car numbers were deliberately retarded by means of taxes and ERP. This allowed a window for the role of a higher-volume MRT to shine.

The diverging point was in the 1970s. In KL, a national automobile industry whose name is no stranger to anyone was conceived and providing public transport was relegated to list of last things to be considered in the government. To encourage public transport is fine, but to stunt the growth of car numbers in the country is suicidal for the economy. The path that KL has chosen is very similar to Bangkok, where the car is so deeply entrenched in the urban fabric. Take a quick look at the map of Klang Valley and you'll find pockets of urban densities concentrated along major highways and main roads. None were conceived along along railway tracks with the exceptions of pre-war settlements like Kajang, Rawang or Klang.

Now, the government has not relate a very important point to public transport: Proton and Perodua were given more incentives and their growth in numbers were not brought into relation at all with public transport use. This is because the government will be in a dilemma when this happens.

Public transport initiatives were implemented. Bus lanes were created. Problem: no enforcement. That explains why there was a need to create the peribahasa hangat-hangat tahi ayam.

Singapore was fine all along because it brought in future planning. KL came into this mess because of automobile industry, lack of proper planning and most importantly, the heavy reliance of the urban structure on cars. Run a line thru Damansara. How many people actually live within walking distance to a station compared to the whole neighbourhood? How many people actually benefit from the LRT in PJ without actually driving to it? Cars are inevitable in a Malaysian society. KL residential areas are too spread out and planned without critical consideration for alternative transport. Look at the existing suburban LRT stations, which one is actually strategically placed? To cut cost, the train runs along disused mining railway routes which all developers ignore, neglect, abandon and avoid. If you look closely, the concentration of activities (retail, residential, office, leisure) in a neighbourhood rarely occurs close to an LRT station, if there is any. All these years, the car ruled the city. The magnitude of car dependence is very high and it is not surprising to see only 16% of public transport use in the city.

There is something we can learn from Singapore and Hong Kong. And the cliche is true. Its called transit oriented development, where new high density developments are concentrated within 800m (walking distance) of a transit station to produce a sustainable environment for the running of the mass transit system and vice versa. KL's most prominent example is KL Sentral. Elsewhere, the principle of urban density and transport demand is totally thrown out the window. Luxury condominiums (high density) owned by high-income people who could afford cars concentrate at hilltops while the more ubiquitous low- to middle-class suburbs are allowed to spread out so widely that completely defeats the purpose of public transport and encourage car use. If owning a car is increasingly seen as a personal economic achievement (not helped with local car manufacture industry), development will tend to steer towards using the car, more tolled roads:ohno:, highways, parking etc, the harder it is to encourage the use of public transport. In my opinion, while the public has to be blamed for the stigma attached to public transport, the larger blame has to go to the authorities for allowing this to perpetuate. Its not difficult to see how even the most efficient public mass transit infrastructure could easily fail in this circumstance.

In my opinion, funding source has little to do with public transport performance. It is the planning, execution, and a variety of other uncontrolled factors like car industry, public security, public perception on cars, safety and privacy that prevent the improvement of public transport. Although there is a current move to improve public transport, and I applaud that, the challenges that needs to be overcome is larger than we think. Will the public transport share actually rise to the targeted level? Is 25% all we're looking for? I know these are questions that can't be answered at the moment, but ensuring that these will happen is, in my opinion, more important than creating the ambition.

It's a long essay and I thank/apologise for reading/having to read what I've actually summarised from my Master's Year dissertation. There are things missing like the absence of a single transport authority etc which would require a whole thread to be dedicated to. Funding is not really the issue if it could be dealt with proper management. With politics interfering at almost every stage of decision-making, my greatest fear is that KL will not go far with public transport.

I have to apologise for posting this in the Melaka forum. With respect to the question, federal and state funding, this may be applicable to Melaka because more funds are allocated to the federal territories i suspect. Apologies for the wrong reply. :)

Thank you for the long answer you give me...your opinion is very insightful.

It's a long essay and I thank/apologise for reading/having to read what I've actually summarised from my Master's Year dissertation. There are things missing like the absence of a single transport authority etc which would require a whole thread to be dedicated to. Funding is not really the issue if it could be dealt with proper management. With politics interfering at almost every stage of decision-making, my greatest fear is that KL will not go far with public transport.Excellent summary of the current situation.

Cheers, m

Cant they just buy busses for melaka.
7.6mil per km, can buy 10 bus that if serve one single root will give a 5-10 minute frequency
Imagine 40 line, that is good enough for now.rather than just surving a single line.but it a worthy experiment i guess, if it happen without the huge investment in public fund it could be a good peototype dor ither city. I doubt it will work, but just givin a benefit of a doubt, n i hope it does work.

Agreed that urban planning, even cururiba case, urban planning and public transport goes hand to hand, but planning n teansit are manage by diff party,with diff view n "benefit".
In this case,fed kener ngalah, they cant be the jack of all trade, give the state aomemore legislative n financial freedom.fed just stay focus on core national issues, leave local issues for local to solve..if PM najib also planned watertaxi in penang, it just sound odd, he should have b3tter thing to worry about, like his NEM for instant, already postpone several time..let just give lge some work, then he be so busy n tired to even kacau PM..

hahah for all we know, the Natural Gas powered 'trams' may actually be buses disguised to look like 'old-style' trams - like the one operating in Perth.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:1VFJBp5q12fUSM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Perth_tram_co_gnangarra.jpg

I mean, you saw what the monorail render looked like, compared to the actual monorail.

Who's to say that the 'tram' render would be no different. There are also 'trams' in JB and Kuala Terengganu as I recall.

JB 'tram'

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:D9b3wllCvMcckM:http://www.limsimi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/img_35414.jpg

Cheers, m

i saw the monorail train being put on the track yesterday,..
look good,but small hehe

i saw the monorail train being put on the track yesterday,..
look good,but small hehe

if not mistaken....last week's Chinese papers say "slated to finish by end of may"
not sure whether this coming may or next year's may.

this may probably, as it seems there are lot of worker, working on it now..

i saw the monorail train being put on the track yesterday,..
look good,but small hehelooking forward to seeing the photos. Will go to Malacca this weekend so I will have to take a look.

Hopefully they completed the gaps in the track.:nuts:

Cheers, m

Panorama Indah Kampung Morten
MONORAIL OPERASI JUN

BANDARAYA MELAKA, 5 April- Perkhidmatan Monorail sejauh 1.5 kilometer yang menghubungkan Stesen Hang Jebat di Taman Rempah ke stesen Hang Tuah di Eye On Melaka, bakal menjadi tarikan pelancongan baru negeri ini kepada pelancong serta orang ramai untuk menikmati panorama indah sepanjang Sungai Melaka, khususnya Kampung Morten pada ketinggian 7 meter dari aras laut.

Datuk Bandar, Majlis Bandaraya Melaka Bersejarah (MBMB), Datuk Yusof Jantan, projek bernilai RM15.6 juta dijangka beroperasi Jun depan dan turut dilengkapi sebuah kawasan rekreasi baru yang turut menempatkan Roller Coaster dan Glider di lokasi berhampiran stesen Hang Tuah.

"Perjalanan dari kedua-dua stesen berkenaan hanya mengambil masa 15 minit dan ini memberi peluang kepada penumpang melihat keindahan panorama sepanjang laluan tersebut yang jarang dilihat sebelum ini," ujarnya.

Katanya, pembinaan projek ini juga adalah bertujuan menyediakan kemudahan rekreasi dalam bandar yang lebih terancang kepada seluruh warga bandaraya serta pelancong seiring dengan kedudukan Melaka sebagai Bandaraya Warisan Dunia.

"Perkhidmatan Monorail ini akan memberi pilihan baru kepada orang ramai dan pelancong menikmati pemandangan indah sepanjang laluan Sungai Melaka serta melihat keunikkan Kampung Morten dari sudut berbeza pada ketinggian 7 meter, selain menyediakan suatu lagi kemudahan rekreasi dalam bandar yang lebih sistematik," kata Yusof.

Beliau memberitahu, satu pameran mengenai projek berkenaan akan diadakan selama 3 bulan di ruang legar MBMB dan Jabatan Keretapi Tanam Melayu (KTM) di Kuala Lumpur, bermula 8 April ini bagi mendapatkan maklum balas daripada orang ramai sebelum perkhidmatan tersebut beroperasi sepenuhnya, Jun depan.

Melaka Hari Ini (MHI) berjaya merakamkan foto-foto eksklusif kerja-kerja pemasangan koc berkenaan kira-kira jam 3 petang Jumaat lepas di stesen Hang Jebat, Taman Rempah.

Sementara itu, Pengarah Urusan Agibs Engineering & Constructions, Zool Hilmi Abdul Ghaffar ketika dihubungi berkata, syarikatnya selaku kontraktor utama projek berkenaan telah memulakan kerja-kerja pemasangan koc di stesen Hang Jebat, sejak Jumaat lepas.

"Kita telah memulakan uji pandu dan kerja-kerja teknikal lain ke atas koc Monorail yang menggunakan teknologi China ini," ujarnya.

$15 million for 1.5 km yeah very pandai for a play play monorail,we love ali rustam even more now.

first time seeing the rendering thinking that maybe it only 1.5km to just test the feasibility of the project

then see it only got 1 track, think that it may be not good,but sunway and sydney monorail is kinda ok, so maybe it will be like that

then, i saw the train set.... mcm keter kancil letak atas track, cannot take picturelah coz my phone got no flash, and it already dark..will take it onces i went back to mlk this weekend..then everyone can have a good laugh...hehe

some that i manage

the station

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diorang bukak and pasang balik the senget track

rempah station

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http://www.picamatic.com/show/2010/04/08/12/50/6597751_bigthumb.jpg (http://www.picamatic.com/view/6597751_07042010037/)

the monorail...

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Would it not have been a better deal if the monorail is from melaka sentral to taman herba via tesco and aeon?Then to get to town just take the boat?

why can't they just don't build this, and just extended the boat service to AEON and mlk sentral.

the only cost is building 2 jetty near these places,

ak rsa penang lg bz dr melaka....

the monorail...

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aiyo.. that monorail looks like a theme park monorail lah.
macam genting punya monorail. If they use the same monorail like sunway city, then ok la.

ak rsa penang lg bz dr melaka....

jawapan sng je...dis is wat u get kalo x vote bn huhu....

aiyo.. that monorail looks like a theme park monorail lah.
macam genting punya monorail. If they use the same monorail like sunway city, then ok la.

mcm sydney monorail jer

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6344/dscf0218.jpg

the monorail...

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lI also think about it...

the monorail...

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so short?

When ali rustam said melaka will have monorail he did not say how long the track was going to be and its a play play train.Now lets see whats the deal with tram service that he preposed.But i still cant get over the 1.5 km distance on top of that its along the very same river that has got a boat service!What is the logic !!!Mind its u single track .

so short?

the front looks like shanghai maglev but see the whole monorail car like cartoon..same like ali rustam cartoon face...:lol:

mcm sydney monorail jer

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/6344/dscf0218.jpg

if you look at the picture closely you can see that sydney monorail's coaches are linked together so the passenger can move from one end to another, not like the melaka's monorail.

I think that's just a prototype... no?

Whats interesting about sydneys monorail is to transport people the the casino more than anything else!!:banana::cheers::banana:

if you look at the picture closely you can see that sydney monorail's coaches are linked together so the passenger can move from one end to another, not like the melaka's monorail.

actually i look into that.. in youtube hehe,
the sydney monorail as well as moscow monorail have 8 seat per coaches with no walk through. just like this one...

from monorails society, by
Konstantin Ventzlavovich and Anton A. Chigrai

the moscow monorail

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/Moscow2.jpg

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/MM14.jpg

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/MM04.jpg

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/MM07.jpg

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the same look,the same track. the melaka one only 3 coaches, but moscow one got 6 coaches,

according to monorail society, the moscow one "Each train has a capacity of 200 passengers. The system is designed for 6,000 passengers per hour per direction." so maybe melaka one is less than half of that.

let me tell you something :D. Moscow monorail is damned slow :D. Don't compare with it, I think babushkas here walk faster than the monorails :D.

i wonder y melaka don 1 to add another coach. 4 coaches wont look like cartoon train isnt it?

aiyo.. that monorail looks like a theme park monorail lah.
macam genting punya monorail. If they use the same monorail like sunway city, then ok la.I think the Genting monorail has more carriages....

Cheers, m

Is there a map that shows the location of the track and stations?

get into wikimapia, the track is along the river from jambatan hang jebat to jambatan hang tuah. with station located near both bridge

i wonder y melaka don 1 to add another coach. 4 coaches wont look like cartoon train isnt it?

errm maybe add 1 0r 2 more coaches, change the color and put the getah thinggy between the coaches..maybe then it look more real

looks cartoony...too short, macam mini bus running on tracks...so 70's lookin la.

actually i look into that.. in youtube hehe,
the sydney monorail as well as moscow monorail have 8 seat per coaches with no walk through. just like this one...

from monorails society, by
Konstantin Ventzlavovich and Anton A. Chigrai

the moscow monorail

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/Moscow2.jpg

http://monorails.org/webpix%202/MM14.jpg



the same look,the same track. the melaka one only 3 coaches, but moscow one got 6 coaches,

according to monorail society, the moscow one "Each train has a capacity of 200 passengers. The system is designed for 6,000 passengers per hour per direction." so maybe melaka one is less than half of that.


I've been on the Sydney monorail and I could assure you that it is very similar to the Moscow monorail.

These monorails are not effective people movers unlike the KL Monorail which is in fact wider even than our LRTs. :yes:

I would think its a ideal option to serve a particular area beyond the present LRT just like punggol in singapore!!

so short?

:lol: wahhahahahaha, how come so short? never see a monorail so short! we shd call it "Lego" monorail. I don't know what shd say to Ali, always surprising people. :bash:
wasting money built such lego monorail, let's see how long it can be last!

pendek pendek pon ader gak..haha
mcm ikan buntal pulak train ni

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d_NNKfSSYoI/S8Vy9eyAJkI/AAAAAAAAEe4/RqvSmrWFlZI/s640/SDC12537.JPG

Actually nobody feels jealous when Malacca manage to have monorail service in town and may be they deserved it since their Chief minister really worked hard for it. BUT what we malaysian are concern is we hope this monorail service will not face the same fate as EOM (Eye On malaysia). That's all and we wish good luck and congratulation to the Melaka government!:)

pendek pendek pon ader gak..haha
mcm ikan buntal pulak train ni

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d_NNKfSSYoI/S8Vy9eyAJkI/AAAAAAAAEe4/RqvSmrWFlZI/s640/SDC12537.JPG

comel lah.... seriously daeng_jal, i baca u punya statement mau tergelak pun ada juga....

Actually nobody feels jealous when Malacca manage to have monorail service in town and may be they deserved it since their Chief minister really worked hard for it. BUT what we malaysian are concern is we hope this monorail service will not face the same fate as EOM (Eye On malaysia). That's all and we wish good luck and congratulation to the Melaka government!:)

Yep, congrats to Malaccans and their government. Malacca is now the first region outside Klang Valley to materialise such public transport.

btw monorail car ini datang dari mana ya...aerobus?!

btw monorail car ini datang dari mana ya...aerobus?!

China.

Melaka Monorail

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i reckon this is end of the monorail track but no station to be seen. so how to start operation this may?

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the cockpit

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8 person per coach
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presumably no standing passenger, 3 coaches = 24 persons = RM15 Million?

beli 12 beca also no need RM50K.

leading car
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conclusion: most stupidest monorail system ever constructed. increase quit rent, tax here and there, use our hard earned money to build this stupid monorail. feel like slapping the stupid ali rustam face..

Two stations only? Sorry, I just notice that by now...I don't really know whether 1.6 km in 6 minutes is typical for a monorail...

^^
depends, this thing is slow like former sunway or sydney monorail, as it is more of an attraction that a rapid transit

KL monorail is a metro type so it is faster..

but yang weird nyer.. penang is also building something like this. 2,1km test track at batu kawan to 2 diff company, and the DCM also dun know who,how,what and why. but everybody seems to "forget" about it.

I think it is because there are no pics posted in the thread.

Two stations only? Sorry, I just notice that by now...I don't really know whether 1.6 km in 6 minutes is typical for a monorail...

yea I noticed that as well and thought my eyes were playing tricks on me but dude! 2 freaking stations? it's a joke...like an amusement park ride as opposed to something for the people! :ohno:

conclusion: most stupidest monorail system ever constructed. increase quit rent, tax here and there, use our hard earned money to build this stupid monorail. feel like slapping the stupid ali rustam face..

Hahaha thats so true,MYR 15 Million just for a short-ride monorail,ive always thought that this was build for a purpose,like becoming one of Malacca's latest addition in terms of public transportation and transit,or to ease the traffic congestion over there.But at the end everything end up as a joke.

Its a great addition in otherwise,if judging in terms of sightseeing and attraction,then it makes sense cause of its capacity and size.But MYR 15 Million doesnt make sense,its not even a large-scale project and it costs so much.

sometimes I wonder what do they think??? it doesnt take a brain scientist to figure out that this is a waste of money...what is it for?? just a short ride that serves no purpose...ride to nowhere! spend that money on improving other modes of public transportations or at LEAST 3 stations! c'mmon...this is like literally from Point A to POINT B ... an embarassment! A lot could be done with that pile of money...add more water taxis or somethin afterall the damn shady monorail runs parallel with the river..

Guys, cool down a bit. I thought daeng_jal already explain it to us about that

depends, this thing is slow like former sunway or sydney monorail, as it is more of an attraction that a rapid transit

KL monorail is a metro type so it is faster..

comel la monorail melaka....

Guys, cool down a bit. I thought daeng_jal already explain it to us about that

i think what ali rustam wants is to regenerate that area by creating some attractions (river cruise, or more radically, mini monorail). The current situation of the land around the monorail is quite derelict, it was an industrial site, now unused and waiting for development, but who would want to develop that piece of land given that the demand for new development in that area is so low (most developments happen along melaka coast and along Hang Tuah jaya). Therefore, a new injection of life and land use is really needed. Monorail will (hopefully) expose this hidden gem to outsiders. Hence, this monorail could be either a disastrous project or it could be something promisingly new and will push for new development in that area.

That could be the only reason i can think of alsolah,Give him credit for trying because the area really needs something to happen cause since they move the market and bus terminal its been a ghost town big time!!!

ok lah, this monorail cost 10mil per km, the proposed tram is 7.6mil per km.sunway cost 30mil. lrt cost 200mil, kl monorail cost 100mil...

might as well build this thing, if it dint work out can always dismantle it and resold

other than rejuvenating the area, i was thinking that they were gouging the demand. just like when they build a miniature planetarium before building a bigger one.a miniature eyes b4 buying a bigger one.

16 millions ringgit can be used to pedestrianize/or make pedestrian friendly a lot of the old streets in the old quarters of Melaka and probably have some left to set up public parks or squares for people/tourist to hang out. I mean if the argument is to have tourist attractions lah. It's so weird to have all this amusement park thingy so close to a UNESCO heritage site.

^^ Well said,Malacca doesnt really need this monorail to enrich its image,in fact they should redevelop old/historical buildings and shoplots and improve infrastructure more to show that its a great historical town to be explored,thanks to Ali Rustam for ruining Malacca's historical image by adding this monorail :ohno:

Melaka still have the chance to have a living city center (not like KL city center), encourage people to cycle, or walk, or take the bus. The Padang Pahlawan in front of MP used to be alive with people playing football, rugby and sometimes even cricket. Now it's just a dataran shopping mall.

If they need space for retail they can just use the rumah2 kedai at Melaka Raya instead. You'd be surprised to know that a lot of those Debenhams and Marks & Spencers (outside of Malaysia) operate out of shoplots instead of malls. And people would just love it like that (like the Jalan TAR in KL or London's Oxford Street)

Sorry if it's a bit O-T.

^^ Well said,Malacca doesnt really need this monorail to enrich its image,in fact they should redevelop old/historical buildings and shoplots and improve infrastructure more to show that its a great historical town to be explored,thanks to Ali Rustam for ruining Malacca's historical image by adding this monorail :ohno:

too romantic of an ideas..

but do you think all those local tourist come to melaka to see old shophouse eh?

i can assure you they are busy riding the boat,tower and water park than explore the old town..

and you can't redevelop like sg does coz it will risk the unesco status..it need to ba a living environment..if you redevelop it, it will just like singaporean describe it..a heritage themepark..

and you can't pedestrianize the old own without risking the current business in that area will not end up belly up..

afterall malaysian don't like walking and cycling.. most like to argue that there is no infra, but even in putrajaya with all the infra for walking,cycling and taking the bus...do you see a lot of them doing it?

^^ Ok i take that a bit but i wasnt being too much with my 'romantic' ideas which you so called it,just giving out a little thoughts,but by improving some parts of the heritage site can really show Malacca's pure history,not just shoplots but other buildings too or even improving it by adding more parks and public spaces.I know that its hard due to its UNESCO status but not all tourists just explore by riding boat ataupun shopping je,ader yg masih explore kawasan bandar2 lama Melaka untuk dpat tau tentang sejarah bandar melaka ni tau x,not even counting in locals which has interest in historical buildings...

Cycling and walking is the best solution to get around the old town to be honest,i enjoy walking around the old town cause you can really explore and get to know more about its surroundings.

Dont compare Putrajaya,by even seeing the age of these two cities,you know its very wrong to compare a modern and a historical city.Putrajaya isnt fully developed which explains its 'emptyness' and lack of pedestrian walking around.

The monorail is painted with yellow color, i think if they painted in light blue will looks good. Many historical buildings in Malacca are painted with yellow and white, looks quite plain. If they use some different colors will make those buildings more alive just like what Singapore did to their old buildings.

Time and time again uncle ali dont seem to get it I DONT WANT TO GO THERE TO SHOP!!!!Infact thats the last thing on my mind !!!Why the hell do i need to be reminded of KUALA LUMPUR OR SINGAPORE when i want a break from it in the first place!

^^ Ok i take that a bit but i wasnt being too much with my 'romantic' ideas which you so called it,just giving out a little thoughts,but by improving some parts of the heritage site can really show Malacca's pure history,not just shoplots but other buildings too or even improving it by adding more parks and public spaces.I know that its hard due to its UNESCO status but not all tourists just explore by riding boat ataupun shopping je,ader yg masih explore kawasan bandar2 lama Melaka untuk dpat tau tentang sejarah bandar melaka ni tau x,not even counting in locals which has interest in historical buildings...

Cycling and walking is the best solution to get around the old town to be honest,i enjoy walking around the old town cause you can really explore and get to know more about its surroundings.

Dont compare Putrajaya,by even seeing the age of these two cities,you know its very wrong to compare a modern and a historical city.Putrajaya isnt fully developed which explains its 'emptyness' and lack of pedestrian walking around.

hehe, i live in putrajaya some years, eventhough i enjoy the walk along the lake to go anywhere,shop,mamak,mosque..but mostly it just me..

but in the old part of melaka, i do see a need for pedisterian walkway and closing down parking lot for pocket park..but shop owner there don't want it.. me also think that closing down the parking will make the original shop there close and replaced by tourist related shop..it good in a sense but we will lose the "living heritage" of it..

but the old town here is much better preserve than other city..everytime i went back there, i do walk around lah, its a great pleasure to see it on foot, but the worst maybe in jalan kota there coz they pedistrianise the area and close everytihing to open up museum, it become very "dead' to me, very artificial,. i would rather walk in kg jawa, jln bunga raya and the old quarters just to see the activity that been there for ages..

somehow i really miss the rustic river and even the nelayan boat and jetty around the river...

south korea also got this main main monorel rupernyer

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Incheon02.html

south korea also got this main main monorel rupernyer

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Incheon02.html

Their monorail is so colorful, nice. That's why i mention malacca monorail shouldn't be painted in yellow, looks quite plain. They should choose light blue/pink color to make it more attractive.

south korea also got this main main monorel rupernyer

http://www.monorails.org/tMspages/Incheon02.html

main-main pon still wayy longer than 1.5km...ours is REALLY main-main punyer than South Korea's

hehe, i live in putrajaya some years, eventhough i enjoy the walk along the lake to go anywhere,shop,mamak,mosque..but mostly it just me..

but in the old part of melaka, i do see a need for pedisterian walkway and closing down parking lot for pocket park..but shop owner there don't want it.. me also think that closing down the parking will make the original shop there close and replaced by tourist related shop..it good in a sense but we will lose the "living heritage" of it..

but the old town here is much better preserve than other city..everytime i went back there, i do walk around lah, its a great pleasure to see it on foot, but the worst maybe in jalan kota there coz they pedistrianise the area and close everytihing to open up museum, it become very "dead' to me, very artificial,. i would rather walk in kg jawa, jln bunga raya and the old quarters just to see the activity that been there for ages..

somehow i really miss the rustic river and even the nelayan boat and jetty around the river...

Yep true,anyways harap2 diaorg will still maintain Malacca's historical charm as its main point for tourism attraction. :)

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just bunch of pic of the track

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This is not aerorail.... This is not aerorail...

I afraid there will be accident if this will become mass transit of Malacca. This should be recreational ride in theme park right?

Malacca deserved to have light metro system, not recreational ride around historical site, and such ride distort it.
Malacca is a CITY with 0.5 MILLION population (1/3 of Wilayah Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur).

This is not aerorail.... This is not aerorail...

I afraid there will be accident if this will become mass transit of Malacca. This should be recreational ride in theme park right?

Malacca deserved to have light metro system, not recreational ride around historical site, and such ride distort it.
Malacca is a CITY with 0.5 MILLION population (1/3 of Wilayah Persekutuan Kuala Lumpur).

Project alliciel, who say this is aerorail? Malacca is going to have monorail, aerorail, and tram. This is MONORAIL, not Aerorail. psl amke sure u read all the history first before u make any post.

this is not aerorel, its a monorel

this will not be a mass transit sistem simply bcoz it doesn''t have the capacity.

if this is recreational ride in theme park, than sydney too is a theme park..this is just a simple sight seeing n people mover system, no more no less..

even if mlk has 800k(1/2 of kl) population it has 6 time the size..when klites rush into the CBD, melakan workplace is scattered around.and not all has 8-5 shift..making the road not that pack,unless on weekend, there are no bumper to bumper crawl stretching for Kilometers..no toal,and the parking r cheap... even if a light metro were build, it will not help commuter save time or money to commute.

what melaka need is simply BUSES.. no need to overthink, replicating cityliner midi bus in N9, is good enough for the time being..currently the bus are old,hot,slow,expensive,low frequencies and most route end at 7..

other stuff, it will be nice to have a commuter services,aand for the fed to actually finished off the missing link in the inner and outer ring road, and for the state not to gatal to put trafic light at every simpang..replicate ipoh u-turn policy...

The monorail is not much but at least get things done rather than let it become a half baked project. It will definietely drive up confidence for Malacca to push for a better public transport system.

I hope the tram they're proposing will become a reality...amin.But pray they dun use old style trams or like the ones at the zoos pulak just for the sake of tourism.

^^ i wish hey abandon the tram for monorail..

the tram cost 7mil per km, monorail cost 10mil..

3mil is a good amount to pay for grad separation, the train can run faster, and our motorist are freed from being squash........

agreed with daeng_jal. but is that better it go underground when entering the heritage site and it's buffer zone?

this is not aerorel, its a monorel

this will not be a mass transit sistem simply bcoz it doesn''t have the capacity.

if this is recreational ride in theme park, than sydney too is a theme park..this is just a simple sight seeing n people mover system, no more no less..

even if mlk has 800k(1/2 of kl) population it has 6 time the size..when klites rush into the CBD, melakan workplace is scattered around.and not all has 8-5 shift..making the road not that pack,unless on weekend, there are no bumper to bumper crawl stretching for Kilometers..no toal,and the parking r cheap... even if a light metro were build, it will not help commuter save time or money to commute.

what melaka need is simply BUSES.. no need to overthink, replicating cityliner midi bus in N9, is good enough for the time being..currently the bus are old,hot,slow,expensive,low frequencies and most route end at 7..

other stuff, it will be nice to have a commuter services,aand for the fed to actually finished off the missing link in the inner and outer ring road, and for the state not to gatal to put trafic light at every simpang..replicate ipoh u-turn policy...Good observations Daeng_Jal. Interesting to note that Ali Rustam wanted to change Melaka bus transport, by having the government take over bus services and contract them out to private operators.

Not sure if the idea went to the back burner recently or was replaced by the trams idea.

Never mind - my point is that Ali Rustam likes public transport but his advisors need to advise him more effectively.

Can you provide a map showing the outer and inner ring roads for Melaka town?

Cheers, m

Good observations Daeng_Jal. Interesting to note that Ali Rustam wanted to change Melaka bus transport, by having the government take over bus services and contract them out to private operators.

Not sure if the idea went to the back burner recently or was replaced by the trams idea.

Never mind - my point is that Ali Rustam likes public transport but his advisors need to advise him more effectively.

Can you provide a map showing the outer and inner ring roads for Melaka town?

Cheers, m

i can;t find any map showing the road online, but will try to post it soon..

the biggest problem with advisor and consultant is that they tend to advice on the most dificult and most expensive solution..N9 ones also under bas pajak system b4 cityliner came in and instead of complimenting like panorama does it run all the route that the existing bus company run, but with newer bus, 15minutes wait time and operate into late night..the best think is this solution workable and as the gomen don't pay anything..so it can be implemented, like now...

after having a decend services, thenlah only talk about BET, then when it get jammed turn into BRT, then if cannot..only then build a metro system.

currently..panorama services are only decent in the town area, its suburb bus has a lowsy frequencies of 1 HOUR each:nuts::nuts:, and end at 9??:nuts::nuts:..sinse maraliner and panorama are gov own,maybe they could merge..since mara got more money and has better busses..

for the bus terminal, the gov has alienated some land around for terminal, but still no news on constructing it..

agreed with daeng_jal. but is that better it go underground when entering the heritage site and it's buffer zone?

agreed, but i will prefer if it didn't entered the core and buffer zone at all..

the heritage site is small, so just put some station near it border, so that the tourist can walk in..it also serve shopper to jump from 1 mall to the other..

like this korean wolmido monorail ler..imagine the island as the heritage zone + hang tuah walk area and the station on the upper right as melaka sentral station.. this may work as it serve the residences,school, offices there, UITM and importantly tourist from clogging our street...
http://monorails.org/webpix%202/CnstInch01.jpg
taken from monorails.org


and one station needed at the CIQ(the island near the maritime museum) can serve the indonesian bound traveller..and if a plane ever land at mlk airport:) extend the monorail 2km to the airport...

in malaysia, the train cannot simply go underground. Cause if you own the land, underneath the land for certain metre are still belong to you.

i prefer tram and bus than monorail! Tram network will need enormous traffic and town planning, and this will indirectly improve Malacca city planning! building monorail is easy, but it will look very messy, especially for a small and compact city like malacca.


This is the pinnacle of tram and bus network in the world, example from Zurich city (Zurich population 300K, metro 1000K)
- tram and bus network in zurich city zone 1 (about one third of the size of melaka tengah)
- on average, the main tram and bus routes (about 20 of them) have frequency of 7minutes!
http://www.zvv.ch/export/sites/default/common-images/content-image-gallery/linien-zonen-bilder/Stadt_Zuerich_09.gif

Tram is totally unthinkable in Malaysia because of Malaysian road condition. Especially Malacca and Penang, their roads already too narrow to accomodate current road traffic, adding trams on it may make the traffic condition much more chaotic. For example in Tokyo, most of its tram lines dismantled in mid-70's and replaced by metro, the only surviving tramline is Arakawa Line, double track at the middle of the road, two lanes beside, eat up space of four lane road. Do Malacca have such space?

Secondly, as tram has it's own right of way, why don't just implement BRT? BRT buses have it's own right of way, seperated from main road traffic, and much more effective in curve radius and lower cost.

For one hour per bus for suburban area is OK for me, but, may I know the area you called as suburban? One hour per bus in urban area, in city center is totally a joke, because these area have higher population concentration.

that is the reason why trams should be implemented in malacca, to reduce car traffic to the old town! when tram occupies significant part of the roads, then cars will be discouraged to use the roads. There are some narrow streets in zurich which are limited to trams lanes, even though sometimes buses and cabs are allowed to use it, but most of time, no cars are allowed, and it is very pedestrian-friendly. Think of it this way, since malacca old town's spatial organisation and urban fabric will not change much in the future since it is a UNESCO World Heritage City, so why not implement tram system which is pedestrian friendly and can discourage car traffic in the city? But this needs a world-class transportation network, and the government will have to subsidise the cost and operation.

You got the point, same as I think it before, but there are complications I concern is, when the tram is under construction, how people get into the city center, is there any traffic dispersal solutions? It may be have, but firstly confusing, and complicated, not liked by the people.

Second, when the tram is constructed, cars are not allowed get into certain areas, even it is pedestrian friendly, but people may not like it. I concern the Malaysian mentality, from I observed in Kuala Lumpur, people park at the middle of the road because it is in front of their destination. When you ask them park in the parking bay, need 5 minute walk, they will tell you, if like that I take bus better. And such problem continues, make roads in KL become chaotic, especially at shophouses area. There are something government cannot do, it is change the public mind and their laziness. Hong Kongers would like to have 5 minute walk to MRT station to get to work, but Malaysians are not.

If not of these concerns, I would like to Penang have trams in George Town city center: turn the historic area become largest pedestrian mall in Malaysia, people who wish to get in to the city center park their car in Prangin Mall, Wisma Boon Siew, (a empty lot I spot on Google Map opposite of Shell Jalan Sultan Ahmad Shah), The Esplande, (A new parking bay should built at Ferry pier by land reclaim from sea), roads surrounding the pedestrian mall and tram service within and like a circle in the historic core. But would the majority of the people love it? That is the problem.

Never mind. I would give my opinion on tram service in Melaka. If I'm not wrong Malacca state government not yet give announce their routes right? Melaka tram can implemented as Russiam metro-tram. Let's see... Which area of Malacca become tram service concentrate:

1. Historic Core of Melaka
The car traffic will closed from Shell of Jalan Laksamana 8 - Jalan Tun Tan Cheng Lock Junction. From here to the west of this junction, Jalan Tun Tan Cheng Lock and Jalan Tengkera is widened into two lane carriageway which seperated by tramway. This tram route serves Tengkera, Klebang, Tanjung Kling. Jalan Kubu, roads south of Jalan Munshi Abdullah, West of Jalan Laksamana and a portion of Jalan Merdeka will be closed... it is complicated through words... I upload the picture next time.

2. Melaka Raya, CBD of Malacca City.
I'm not sure where CBD is, it seems to be have two. One at Stadium Hang Tuah and beside Kampung Morten, another one is Melaka Raya. Supposed to be Melaka Raya right? Which I see that area is much prosperous than the former, and there is costal development along Jalan Tengkera, so I assume Melaka Raya as CBD of Malacca City, there will become terminals of tram service. Dataran Pahlawan (Jalan Merdeka) or Mahkota Parade (Jalan Syed Abdul Aziz, Route 5 in future after traffic diversion). Melaka Raya is out of heritage site and buffer zone already right? There would be have potential to having skyscrapers in the future.

3. Melaka Sentral
As ITT of Melaka (there are proposals of building railway connect Melaka Sentral to West Coast Main Line at Tampin), Melaka Sentral serves primary tram terminal of tram traffics from north Melaka before entering the former 2 tram service concentrated areas. Trams served Ayer Keroh, Malim Jaya, Cheng, Batu Berendam will pass here before enter city center. Rapid tram (partial grade seperated / shares track with KTMB) connect Melaka City to Batu Berendam airport stops here, commuters required to change local trams to get into city center.

Suburbs served by Commuter Trains have direct service into Melaka Sentral:
Alor Gajah, Seri Krubong (Tampin - Melaka)
**Because of no more available spaces around Melaka Sentral, build railway from Melaka Sentral to Johor Bahru via Muar is impossible, but there is possible in somewhere around Stadium Hang Jebat, so I propose build a Y-shaped stacked junction there, a line to Tampin, another line to Muar.
Ayer Keroh, Bukit Katil, Kampung Permatang, Kampung Ketapang, villages along Route 5 south of Kampung Ketapang untill Muar.

I post the pictures I edited later. Pictures speaks better.

i am not particularly found of the tram idea on road, it may work in the old town, but the old town is small,what happen when it enter the city no to mention the suburbs, melakan road are narrow even in the suburbs most are only are 2lane road..and this is share with busses,car,truck,trailer,people and motorcycle..the wire really look ungly and malaysia has a healthy number of trailer and double story buses on the road that might hit the wire..and as a regular motorcycle rider i am really concern about the possibility of falling at the track..not to mention the necessary infra needed for the tram, as well as the inflexibility of the system, and with traffic is heavy i don't think the tram can run really fast..

if the tram are build along the middle of he highway or at grad but not on the road is ok... but might as well build, we BRT,as it cheaper, but as melakan road are not that jammed a BET can do just fine..if the tram is elevated,might as well build monorail..

what ever it is we needed busses first,and to have panorama to run every 1 hour to route like batu berendam and ayer keroh is soo kelakar...


anyway i think ali get the idea from the shenzen happyline monoraillah, 4km loop around the city
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Shenzhen_Happy_Line_Monorail_Intamin_1.jpg

build by intamin,who is also the builder for moscow..like everything from china..think that melaka is a plagiarism of it system

I am sure with an comprehensive and efficient transportation network, people will definitely use it. Now we have nothing to move around except for cars!

I will give any comments when u post up the picture =)

monorail will look nice when there are lots of dense cluster of skyscrapers.

tram is built on narrow road as a mean of pedestrianisation - closing the road from the use of public cars! Only people living around the old town core can use it.

it serves two purposes, to reduce the vehicle traffic and still enable flow of human traffic.

Tram ,Monorail,New airport Dammm!!!! Ali where is the aerorail u plomisssss i lemember got photo of the launch just before the last election!!!!U tipu again is it ah?:lol::lol::lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Shenzhen_Happy_Line_Monorail_Intamin_1.jpg

build by intamin,who is also the builder for moscow..like everything from china..think that melaka is a plagiarism of it system

I want to ride this but my father said that it is too expensive...
The frequency time is long...

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_d_NNKfSSYoI/TCIsobjLXQI/AAAAAAAAEvw/ZCKmf0h285E/s640/SDC13870.JPG

Not sunway ,not sentosa so its chinamali!!!

is the aerorail still going on????

^^ think that it been replace by trams

Tram project awaits assessment report
2010/07/12
By B. Suresh Ram
streets@nstp.com.my
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MALACCA: The state government is waiting for the heritage impact assessment report from the Heritage Department for its proposed tram project which it says would reduce congestion in major thoroughfares.

It is also waiting for the green light from the Railway Department, state heritage committee and the Malacca Historical City Council.

Chief Minister Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Mohd Rustam said the state government would also write to Unesco for its approval.


The trams, if approved, would pass by some of the sites which have been listed under the world's heritage list.

Ali also expressed hope that the RM272 million project, similar to the one in Brisbane, Australia, could get off the ground within three months.

"If approved, it will cover 23 locations along a 40km route from Ayer Keroh to Banda Hilir in the heart of this historical city."


He said this after opening a heritage seminar in conjunction with the second anniversary of the city being designated as an Unesco World Heritage site.

The proposed joint venture between Mrails International Sdn Bhd and Chief Minister Incorporated (CMI) is expected to be completed within a year.

He said the project would address traffic woes due to the influx of tourists.


It is estimated that 250,000 passengers will use the trams monthly, providing an annual revenue of RM20 million.


Read more: Tram project awaits assessment report http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/5trm/Article/#ixzz10pl38uXZ

It is estimated that 250,000 passengers will use the trams monthly, providing an annual revenue of RM20 million.


That will average out to RM80 per pax per month - NOT cheap !
And RM20m per month (revenue only, not profit), will it be sufficient to sustain interest payment on project costs plus some return on investment ? :)

melaka gotta stop making new useless proposals as they seem to end up half done... soon melaka will be a junkyard city

melaka's aerorail is real or not??

melaka's aerorail is real or not??

If they want to build tram, how about this aerorail ?? still go on or not....

melaka is backed by federal...of course lah they can do everything they want...

Tram is totally unthinkable in Malaysia because of Malaysian road condition.

why dun people ever recommend trolley buses! use electric like trams with body of a bus

I'm always impressed by the fact that malaysians still remain so hopeful about all these transportation announcements.....Seriously, do you guys still believe it? The gov is too poor to build anything without going into a huge huge debt now.

I'm always impressed by the fact that malaysians still remain so hopeful about all these transportation announcements.....Seriously, do you guys still believe it? The gov is too poor to build anything without going into a huge huge debt now.

The monorail is still parking there collecting dusts... when will it be operating... again? :bash:

I'm always impressed by the fact that malaysians still remain so hopeful about all these transportation announcements.....Seriously, do you guys still believe it? The gov is too poor to build anything without going into a huge huge debt now.

I think the shituation now is more kind of "desperate for" than "hopeful for".

I remember all to well this was announce just before the last elections!!!!Emmm at the end of the day announcements. is all the people in malacca is going to get from uncle ali!!!

I'm always impressed by the fact that malaysians still remain so hopeful about all these transportation announcements.....Seriously, do you guys still believe it? The gov is too poor to build anything without going into a huge huge debt now.

the statement tat gov to poor is too much i think..
gov is not tat poor bt still need to loan from smwhr..
but i, as malaysian, also believe tat gov manage to settle all the debt since we have a gud prospect.

malacca has too much big project.
i have no doubt tat this state is getting business n being more developed for now and i think future too. but too build everything at 1 time and seem like lack of planning, i'm scared tis would be such a waste.