Originally Posted by Le Clerk
The building will cost EUR 120 million and will be raised by Max Bögl - Astald.

Total surface: 108.000 m2

Capacity: 55.000 seats

Facilities:
-6 levels
-conference rooms, parking, medical rooms, restaurants, terasses, VIP rooms

The roof will be made of translucid membrane raised on steel cables.

The Romanian Arena is made after CommerzBank Arena in Frankfurt.

Hope to see some demolishing by explosion works for the current stadium.

Pictures:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3041/stadium2ai9.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4296/stadium3un2.jpg




Video
http://www.protv.ro/filme/lucrarile-pentru-noul-stadion-lia-manoliu-intra-in-linie-dreapta.html?id_file=45452#45452

Will bid for the UEFA Cup Final 2011

Nice classic design :okay:

Will a club team use it?

This will be Romania’s National Stadium – but can (I am sure it will) be used by other teams – especially (mainly IMO) Champions League/UEFA Cup matches

Frankfurt! Again :cheers:

Nice stadium dont get me wrong probably one of the better looking ones in EE but honestly i was expecting more out of Bucharest national stadium.

Deja vu! Frankfurt replica :)

Nice stadium dont get me wrong probably one of the better looking ones in EE but honestly i was expecting more out of Bucharest national stadium.

Me too ... a (bit) more futuristic design ... WTF is 2008 (TBC 2009) :bash:

I'll just have to get used to it :nuts:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1403/71269837wp7.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1953/19867911av0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

One of the best looking one???

Far behind
Wembley,Allianz,Schalke,Dragao,Da luz....

It's just a replica of an existing stadia! it's even not a new mark!
Beautiful but not new at all in design :ohno:

One of the best looking one???

Far behind
Wembley,Allianz,Schalke,Dragao,Da luz....

It's just a replica of an existing stadia! it's even not a new mark!
Beautiful but not new at all in design :ohno:

I agree ^^ however he said ...
Nice stadium dont get me wrong probably one of the better looking ones in EE but honestly i was expecting more out of Bucharest national stadium.

One of the best looking one???

Far behind
Wembley,Allianz,Schalke,Dragao,Da luz....
:

who says that? maybe in Romania will be the best looking one, yes!
anyway, hope this is only the begining for the new stadiums that will be build in the future.

It's just a replica of an existing stadia! it's even not a new mark!

Frankfurt! Again

Deja vu! Frankfurt replica

Will repeating this nother 3 times make you feel better? :ohno:

Beautiful but not new at all in design :ohno:
Could say the same about Lille really (try to look at it less critcally). I personally think Bucarest will be an improved design based on Frankfurt. A big thumb up here!

I think when design of this stadium based on Ernst-Happel Stadion or Gotlieb-Daimler Stadion too.

michal--> it's clear now! you are just jealous :lol:

Although they difference to the Commerzbank Arena is quite small I like this one much better.

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Waldstadion_neu_A.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4296/stadium3un2.jpg

The entrance beeing beneath the sourroundings, the ring above the roof and the increase of the pillars are really nice addition imo.

One of the best looking one???

Far behind
Wembley,Allianz,Schalke,Dragao,Da luz....

Can't you just accept that different people have different tastes? I like this one better then Wembley, Allianz or Schalke.

:)

http://www.max-boegl.de/boegldip/web/content.jsp?nodeId=1656

In the middle of April 2007, the Max Bögl group within a consortium was commissioned to build the new central stadium seating 55,000 spectators in Romania’s capital city of Bucharest. Bound to succeed in getting the order for the 120 million project in the so-called Design & Build process was a special proposal by the Max Bögl group of companies resulting in the most effi cient solution for the building owner compared with other drafts in the bidding procedure. The striking architectural element of the new stadium, which, following the demolition of the Lia-Manoliu stadium already built in 1953, will be built from in-situ concrete and prefabricated parts, will be the fi ligree ring rope roof with membrane covering.

By means of a 3D building model and a 4D process simulation with extensive visualisations and film sequences, the building owner could be convinced of the architecture, functionality and economic feasibility of the Max Bögl-owned design concept. This special proposal that were coordinated with and approved by the authorities was created within a period of two weeks only and is based on experiences made in building the stadiums in Cologneand Frankfurt as well as during the planning phase of two stadiums in Dubai.

To the Max Bögl group of companies, this represents the first big success by using state-of-the-art 3D planning and 4D simulation, encouraging us to consistently follow the road taken.

These renders reveal a really elegant conception! This is going to be, if realised a great leap ahead for Romanian sports!
And I disagree with all these posts about this design being not on par with modern european stadiums. On the contrary! This design brings a classical and elegant flavor, in true Romanian fashion! Great!

The design is modern and beautiful of course because it's just the remake an existing beautiful stadium!

And you can you accept that i prefer Wembley that this one and generally can you accept that i don't pretend my tastes are the same than you??!! :ohno:

I think to take an existing stadium and add it a ring above the roof isn't (for me) a sign of creativity!

Imagine one second every new stadium follows this trend... What pathetic the face of european stadium would be!

A stadium is the expression of creativity! This stadium is not creative. Just a poor remake. I like Frankfurt stadium but not this because it's just a lazy behavior of architect. Not for me.sorry

The shape of stadium in Lille is nothing original because the general idea is similar to many other stadiums to start with Allianz Arena, while the vertical "cross-section" wall is similar to the one planned for Grand Stade Nice.
But that is only if we look at it with your criteria of being "just another replica".
Because this stadium in Bucarest is an evolution, has a really classy exterior. I agree with Ipioe and Demetrius- that's really elegant.

The design is modern and beautiful of course because it's just the remake an existing beautiful stadium!

As some other posters already said, even your favorite Lille stadium (which btw is really remarkable) could be seen as a rip -off of the Allianz Arena look-a-likes flooding the continent recently. Just because Lille has a sinking "bath tube" at one end, or a folding roof, does not make it architecturally original! Advanced yes, original no!

:)

I am not a fan of those stadiums with membran roof (maybe because of FB stadium :D)

Just better/bigger renders

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9746/lia3ai8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3632/liamx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9104/lia1dh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4853/lia2wj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Just? :D
How many VIP suites wll it have?
And no statue for HAGI

I am sure this one will start a rumour in Argentina
New River stadium :D
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4853/lia2wj6.jpg

Just? :D
How many VIP suites wll it have?
And no statue for HAGI

I am sure this one will start a rumour in Argentina
New River stadium :D
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4853/lia2wj6.jpg

Hagi has (should) have statue in Turkey :cheers:

There are rumours about statues of legend GS players at the new stadium (actually more at the way from the mtreo to the stadium)

Just? :D
How many VIP suites wll it have?



I can see 2 (1 large) VIP terraces (I think - left hand side)
Just better/bigger renders
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9104/lia1dh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3632/liamx7.jpg
Looks like 1 VIP suit tier
and at the main stand Total 4 levels, But 2 a the first tier can be lounges

Now you are not obliged to share my opinion but i 'll not follow this bucharest project just because it already exists somewhere in germany :)
Next.

Then do us all a favor and stop posting in this thread.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4650/liago4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what happened to the roof?

Not a big difference … and it’s hard to say if this is initial or latest design …
http://video.acasa.ro/view_video.php?viewkey=e1a667d5e01868827a9a&msg=Propunerea+a+fost+trimisa

perhpas they realized it was too like frankfurt :lol:
Then they decided to bring their "touch" :lol:

:nuts:

u do great

Yeah it's not an original design, so what? They sure aren't spending a lot on it. How can it possibly be built for only 120 million euros? One way would be to use existing ideas.

more than half the premiership, spanish liga and boundesliga teams will die for a stadium like this

let alone calcio teams

Yeah it's not an original design, so what? They sure aren't spending a lot on it. How can it possibly be built for only 120 million euros? One way would be to use existing ideas.

Actually Commerz-Bank Arena in Frankfurt was built for 126 mil €

Actually Commerz-Bank Arena in Frankfurt was built for 126 mil €

The football pitch will not be touched (part of the contract) as it was upgraded few years ago …

what happened to the roof?

:nuts: nothing :nuts::cheers:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2457/lmuy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Dracula used to take blood to people
Now architects ensure his leg by taking ideas from another stadiums!! :lol:

shut up man, its ok if you think that this stadium is a copy, but you've repeated it over and over.....

Dracula used to take blood to people
Now architects ensure his leg by taking ideas from another stadiums!! :lol:

It’s as original as the planned Lille stadium that never will be built.

Yet another decent arena in eastern Europe! Congratulations :cheers:

Not a big fan of the facade, but the interior looks great. It would be an honor to have such a stadium in most cities in the world ;)

^^ :cheers: It is certainly a step forward for Romania.

Besides ... http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2008.html :cheers:

shut up man, its ok if you think that this stadium is a copy, but you've repeated it over and over.....

:lol: who said that it is a copy???
Don't you have a sense of humor??

isnt it too big for a city like bucharest?

Will the stadium be used by other clubs based in Bucharest besides Romanian national team?

isnt it too big for a city like bucharest?

:) 1,940,500 (urban) & ~3 mil (metropolitan) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest

Will the stadium be used by other club in addition to national team?

^^ am 100% sure it will be - Champions League and UEFA Cup

Found this ... hehehe :lol:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4027/halt2.png (http://imageshack.us)

:) 1,940,500 (urban) & ~3 mil (metropolitan) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest



^^ am 100% sure it will be - Champions League and UEFA Cup

That's not what I mean. I mean, will the stadium be used as the home of a football club based in Bucharest?

^^ NO .This is (and will be) national stadium - national football team, Romanian Cup finals, concerts, exhibitions etc ... but I am confident will see some Romanian clubs using it for Champions League and UEFA Cup games

That's not what I mean. I mean, will the stadium be used as the home of a football club based in Bucharest?

I heard from some "unofficial sources" that Dinamo might be using the stadium for their matches (not only European matches, but championship and cup matches as well).

I heard from some "unofficial sources" that Dinamo might be using the stadium for their matches (not only European matches, but championship and cup matches as well).

Dinamo is planning to rebuild Stefan cel Mare, i don't think they will play at National Stadium.

off topic: dinamo does not have a full stadium now, i don't know what will they do with a bigger stadium...cl is a dream for them.

Dinamo is planning to rebuild Stefan cel Mare, i don't think they will play at National Stadium.

off topic: dinamo does not have a full stadium now, i don't know what will they do with a bigger stadium...cl is a dream for them.

If Stefan cel Mare does get rebuilt, then Dinamo will have to play on the National Stadium for a couple of seasons :)

But before they do anything about their stadium (which is not even theirs, it belongs to the Ministry of Interior), I think they will play where it's cheaper.

At this point these are just speculations though.

^^ Better be (I think/looks like) an upgrade. Does not look like a newly built. Apparently, as part of whole project, the other adjacent training grounds will be upgraded. They'll also build a cinema, restaurants etc etc

Just better/bigger renders
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9746/lia3ai8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Existing/location http://wikimapia.org/#lat=44.436967&lon=26.154585&z=16&l=0&m=a&v=2

Update :nuts:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8726/lmdn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

great picture :)

according to prosport.ro they might change the location of the stadium. for that location there are rumors that they will built another mall.
full article here (http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/nationala-eu-romania/mall-in-loc-de-stadion-2626926)

Nice. Reminds me National Stadium of Poland:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=552599

according to prosport.ro they might change the location of the stadium. for that location there are rumors that they will built another mall.
full article here (http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/nationala-eu-romania/mall-in-loc-de-stadion-2626926)

no way ... contract has been awarded and demolition has started

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6965/lianv0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

according to prosport.ro they might change the location of the stadium. for that location there are rumors that they will built another mall.
full article here (http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/nationala-eu-romania/mall-in-loc-de-stadion-2626926)

They should relocate it to Frankfurt ;)

Any Webcams?

did they start the work at the stadium yet?

the put the pitch during the excavation?!

^^ No, the pitch is a couple of years old and I think they're gonna save it as it is, they're gonna build around it.

Wow that's a huge and nice stadium for Romania :) I would love to have a stadium like that in The Netherlands.. :drool:

^^ This is indeed the first modern stadium in Romania, but you do have stadiums like that in The Netherlands (Amsterdam ArenA & De Kuip), so you shouldn't be "complaining" :)

updates, pictures?

its going to be a great stadium

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/828/liahv6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

good thing!

we should also build one for ankara as a national stadium..

in the end they removed the pitch also. now they are installing the cranes.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/5025/liamanoliubims6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
sursa foto: prosport (http://www.prosport.ro/fotbal-intern/primaria-prejudiciata-in-cazul-constructiei-noului-lia-manoliu-2773200/poze/?type=main&ptr=-1)

^^ no progress since 1953 :nuts::lol:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5958/constructienm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Manoliu_Stadium

Rejected project for romania national stadium:

http://www.mediafaxfoto.ro/thumbnail.php?photoId=1952755&thumbSize=newlarge

http://www.mediafaxfoto.ro/thumbnail.php?photoId=1952753&thumbSize=newlarge

Wow that's a huge and nice stadium for Romania :) I would love to have a stadium like that in The Netherlands.. :drool:

wtf? romania is not a pour contrie... it should be 75k not 55k...


Me too ... a (bit) more futuristic design ... WTF is 2008 (TBC 2009) :bash:

I'll just have to get used to it :nuts:

london olimpic stadium lock the same...

and everybody with that frackfour replica... F*** you... its good this way to... Arsenals emirrates stadium is a complete copy of da luz to ... and nobady says anting againsts

^^ :nuts: It's not about being poor; but about how many supporters will come to see the national team; so 55k it's fine :cheers:
BTW London's Olympic stadium will be downsized to 25K after the games :)

They should relocate it to Frankfurt ;)

Paris maybe?! :nuts:
Stade de France
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp4/citynut_2008/Paris%202008/DSCF1377.jpg

September
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2200/s1vs4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2364/s2im0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Wow, you are going faster than we do in Warsaw. You are like a half a year before us. I wonder if this distance will change as both constructions go on. Whatever - both nations deserve those stadiums, at least we can make one more step towards "Europe".

It looks like everything is going well... Good

Any webcams?

Wow, you are going faster than we do in Warsaw. You are like a half a year before us. I wonder if this distance will change as both constructions go on. Whatever - both nations deserve those stadiums, at least we can make one more step towards "Europe".

^^ :cheers:
BTW how much will Warsaw stadium cost?

Over 1 mld złotych ~ 350 - 400 mln € but they are going to bulid an indoor swimming-pool, quite big sport hall and couple other things. It's going to Narodowe Centrum Sportu (NCS) ~ National Sport Center...

very nice :okay:

I would like to have the same in any city of Turkey.

Just better/bigger renders

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9746/lia3ai8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3632/liamx7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9104/lia1dh5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4853/lia2wj6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I would like to have the same in any city of Turkey.

You are so greedy, Kuvvaci. You already have Fenerbache and Galatasaray stadiums :lol:

You are so greedy, Kuvvaci. You already have Fenerbache and Galatasaray stadiums :lol:

this stadium is better then fenerbache stadium...

video http://www.realitatea.net/video_492186_la-noul-stadion-national-se-lucreaza-de-zor_362301.html

Is 55.000 seats big enough for a UEFA CL final?

^^
for CL Final the stadium must have the minimum 70,000 seats

beautiful, I like the stadium of traditional architecture:okay:

Is 55.000 seats big enough for a UEFA CL final?

from the internal press , it is said that this stadium is the favorite for 2012 uefa europa cup final ,

also it said that it might be upgraded to 60k and costs 146 mil euros ...

but even so there will never be an ucl final in romania ... uel is good to...

and its considered as a potential final venue for romania’s planed joint bid with bulgaria for 2016 or more realistic 2020... but personaly i dont see this hapening...

Its official. 2012 UEFA Cup Final at Lia Manoliu.

http://www.sport.ro/cupa-uefa/e-sigur-finala-uefa-la-bucuresti-ce-crezi.html

use translator to understand.

It's only candidature for EUROPEAN CUP (a new UEFA CUP) final in 2012!

Inside this stadium looks cool, but outside it's terrible...The facade is ugly if you ask me...

^^ no we dont !

Inside this stadium looks cool, but outside it's terrible...The facade is ugly if you ask me...


This is quite odd,cause in the past years architects have been focusing more on the outside of the stadiums than on the inside.
I like the outside,but it's a matter of taste.

For a few months there were questions whether the stadium it would be constructed with a track or not,but fortunately the rendering of the stadium will remain the same:banana:.I heard that they've cleared the site of the old stadium,and they've started the construction,and I'll post pictures as soon as I find some.:cheers:

It's only candidature for EUROPEAN CUP (a new UEFA CUP) final in 2012!
Europa League not European Cup.

I wonder if any romanian team will reach the final :D it would be perfect :D

I bet we would lose:D

I bet we would lose:D

me to :D

Platini today at the construction site::cheers:


http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/401/581/7911/3489962/3/6f8y7097.jpg
http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/401/581/7911/3489962/21/paltinifa06.jpg
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what soft do you use to do that stadiums lpioe?

any webcam yet?

Not yet...

So thats gonna be the arena of UEFA Cup Final in 2012. Congrtatulations!

Any updates? Can someone give link to romanian thread about Lia Manoliu construction process?

The stadium might look like this after all:

http://www.gsp.ro/zoom/120910/670-110053-img_2639copy.jpg

Cheap, ugly, so like the 20th century :)

The mayor of Bucharest made pressures for a stadium with athletics track, of course he's right cause a national stadium should actually have the athletics track, but he only says that because he is a dirty communist who thinks all stadiums need athletics track so the idea is quite misunderstood. Two at hand, this country has like almost all stadium with athletics track and plus nobody comes to sporting events except football...they can just leave a 200 seat stadium for athletics events and maybe it will be 10% filled up or build a national rugby stadium 10.000 seats ( more for the image ) with a athletics track included.

The stadium will look like this:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9746/lia3ai8.jpg
Capacity: 55.200

Yeah, I guess we all understood that that's the initial project and has chances to be done but there's still a decision to take seeing the athletics track witch is very important for a national stadium after all, practically almost all national stadiums have athletics track and it's normal for us to have two. Of course, not like the old Lia Manoliu communist made stadium that is impossible for the supporters but something like Ataturk, Athens 04 has to be done. After that we won't need any other like that.
While I prefer non-athletics, I don't mind the N.S. to be with since I probably won't be going to the NT games and it will be a clear reason for any other with athletics track to be built in Romania.
At least for the initial project, it looks ok even though it has nothing special, similar to Commerzbank Arena and the roof seems a copy of HSV Arena. National stadiums should have a identity, not for us. The capacity is small, it's pretty clear it will neither be almost empty at non-important games or it will be filled up at 55.000 or 70.000 so a small effort could have been done for a bigger capacity, after all, with 70.000 this thing would have had almost 100% chances to host a Champions League final with Platini who advantages eastern European countries in stuff like this.

I don't understand your logic at all. You say that the stadium would only be filled for a few important matches and then say that's a reason for building a 70,000 seater instead of a 55,000 seater...That doesn't make sense at all.

Neither does basing the design of a stadium on the potential for one champions league final. I don't know the figures, but how much extra revenue would a champions league final generate compared to a Europa League final? Against that, how much extra would the larger stadum cost to build and operate?

Well, Istanbul built Ataturk for the same sum of money and it was like almost 80.000!?
Two at hand, you won't see a Romania-Luxembourg/Macedonia/Bosnia/Feroe filled up but games like vs. Serbia/Bulgaria/France/Holland/Denmark/Czech Republic ( these are just examples from the ex-qualifying campaign ) would fill up a stadium bigger then 55.000 and the proportion of important/non important games is quite 50/50 now and the interest rises now that qualifying for Romania is not just a simple thing like in the 90's when except for the 1992 Euro nobody stood in front of Romania in a group.
So the effort for at least 60.000-65.000 wasn't a big deal especially that once a new stadium people would be motivated more to come face to the old communist stadiums with harsh conditions/low visibility.
Anyway, now I would bet there will be some scandal since I don't see this stadium finishing in time like anything else done in Romania.

Well, Istanbul built Ataturk for the same sum of money and it was like almost 80.000!?
Two at hand, you won't see a Romania-Luxembourg/Macedonia/Bosnia/Feroe filled up but games like vs. Serbia/Bulgaria/France/Holland/Denmark/Czech Republic ( these are just examples from the ex-qualifying campaign ) would fill up a stadium bigger then 55.000 and the proportion of important/non important games is quite 50/50 now and the interest rises now that qualifying for Romania is not just a simple thing like in the 90's when except for the 1992 Euro nobody stood in front of Romania in a group.
So the effort for at least 60.000-65.000 wasn't a big deal especially that once a new stadium people would be motivated more to come face to the old communist stadiums with harsh conditions/low visibility.
Anyway, now I would bet there will be some scandal since I don't see this stadium finishing in time like anything else done in Romania.
Yeah, I guess we all understood that that's the initial project and has chances to be done but there's still a decision to take seeing the athletics track witch is very important for a national stadium after all, practically almost all national stadiums have athletics track and it's normal for us to have two. Of course, not like the old Lia Manoliu communist made stadium that is impossible for the supporters but something like Ataturk, Athens 04 has to be done. After that we won't need any other like that.
While I prefer non-athletics, I don't mind the N.S. to be with since I probably won't be going to the NT games and it will be a clear reason for any other with athletics track to be built in Romania.
At least for the initial project, it looks ok even though it has nothing special, similar to Commerzbank Arena and the roof seems a copy of HSV Arena. National stadiums should have a identity, not for us. The capacity is small, it's pretty clear it will neither be almost empty at non-important games or it will be filled up at 55.000 or 70.000 so a small effort could have been done for a bigger capacity, after all, with 70.000 this thing would have had almost 100% chances to host a Champions League final with Platini who advantages eastern European countries in stuff like this.

It's incredible that I can't agree with anything you said,and I won't even boder to contradict you except 2 things.
Firstly,haven't you understood yet that better quality stadiums increase the attendance?and secondly,this stadium will most surely be finished,the magnitude of the event,and the embarrassment following an eventual incompletion of this stadium,though I know it could never be the case not even for us,would keep us from getting to that point.

I wouldn't get concerned that a track stadium could be built instead of the first proposal because UEFA agreed for what we presented,and any changes to that could also change the agreement.

The stadium might look like this after all:

http://www.gsp.ro/zoom/120910/670-110053-img_2639copy.jpg


What bothers me is that you can see a another stadium behind the big one. Why can't they install an athletics track for the small stadium and make a decent football ground?

no athletics tracks included in this project.
and if someone would of thinking that the project may change all of a sudden by simply adding those tracks is wrong cause the foundations are already made, also the date of completion is scheduled to host the UEFA Cup Final in 2012.:)

thanks to commodore:cheers:
An article (http://www.cotidianul.ro/heirup_pe_ploaie_la_santierul_noului_stadion_national-71873.html) about National Stadium site construction in Cotidianul (www.cotidianul.ro)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6083/stnatjq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1492/stnat2wp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Photo:Cotidianul (http://www.cotidianul.ro/foto/santierul_noului_stadion_national-16502.html)

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Firstly,haven't you understood yet that better quality stadiums increase the attendance


So you're point is *partz*. :lol:
Thats exactly what I was saying, Lia Manoliu for example with Denmark was filled even though the stadium sucked big time. The capacity that time was 60.000 after renovations from 55.000. So thats exactly what I was saying, a brand new stadium, even though with athletics track, but not oval communist stands could be filled up at a normal and important game even at a capacity of 65.000-70.000.


So for a new stadium 55.000 just seems too less and then lets not forget another thing, this stadium will host any C.L. and even UEFA Cup games of Dinamo, Rapid and others teams excepting CFR from the province that will play. Dinamo filled up old style Lia Manoliu with Manchester and Lazio marking the biggest attendance since the stadium was all seater and even if it would have had 70.-100.000 it would have been filled up.

Now that the stadium will be new, from it's completion probably for the CL and Spring UEFA games people would fill up a 70.000 NEW stadium. Now lets not forget its not only the National Team in the middle.

Then Europa League will bring a UCL type group stage. The competition will grow each year since more and more money are going to be dedicated, big teams will consider the competition more important.

Then the CL will be very accessible for any Romania Champion Team because the new system by Platini gives the country's under the 12th place in the coefficient the chance to play the preliminaries only with other champions from 12 to the last so no Manchester, Lazio or anything like this anymore. It's only harder for our vice-champions who will still enter CL where they will have to play only teams from the strong championships to qualify and getting a seeded place is hard cause only 10 teams will be in the final round not 32 like to this day but at least we will constantly have the chance to enter the competition with at least 1 team and eventually keep 3 for the Europa League.

Paul ... about that track thing you said...
Ataturk, Athens 04 are not even used by the national football teams … they prefer fenerbahche stadium and olympiacos stadium ….as you cans see many athletic stadiums are being dogged up or demolished... ex: City of Manchester and Delle Alpi ...

So you're point is *partz*. :lol:
Thats exactly what I was saying, Lia Manoliu for example with Denmark was filled even though the stadium sucked big time. The capacity that time was 60.000 after renovations from 55.000. So thats exactly what I was saying, a brand new stadium, even though with athletics track, but not oval communist stands could be filled up at a normal and important game even at a capacity of 65.000-70.000.


So for a new stadium 55.000 just seems too less and then lets not forget another thing, this stadium will host any C.L. and even UEFA Cup games of Dinamo, Rapid and others teams excepting CFR from the province that will play. Dinamo filled up old style Lia Manoliu with Manchester and Lazio marking the biggest attendance since the stadium was all seater and even if it would have had 70.-100.000 it would have been filled up.

Now that the stadium will be new, from it's completion probably for the CL and Spring UEFA games people would fill up a 70.000 NEW stadium. Now lets not forget its not only the National Team in the middle.

Then Europa League will bring a UCL type group stage. The competition will grow each year since more and more money are going to be dedicated, big teams will consider the competition more important.

Then the CL will be very accessible for any Romania Champion Team because the new system by Platini gives the country's under the 12th place in the coefficient the chance to play the preliminaries only with other champions from 12 to the last so no Manchester, Lazio or anything like this anymore. It's only harder for our vice-champions who will still enter CL where they will have to play only teams from the strong championships to qualify and getting a seeded place is hard cause only 10 teams will be in the final round not 32 like to this day but at least we will constantly have the chance to enter the competition with at least 1 team and eventually keep 3 for the Europa League.
You deviated a bit from the subject...sry but I didn't see that you wrote the attendance thing,I got bored reading and maybe a missed a line ...or 2:lol:
Paul ... about that track thing you said...
Ataturk, Athens 04 are not even used by the national football teams … they prefer fenerbahche stadium and olympiacos stadium ….as you cans see many athletic stadiums are being dogged up or demolished... ex: City of Manchester and Delle Alpi ...
Ataturk was a waste of money,a stadium with just one purpose,the 2005 CL final.
In our case the national stadium is built for the national team,so we need not talk further about this,or compare.

This stadium and the new stadium in Warsaw are identical twins. Maybe the architecht of these we're the same and if it is was the same architecht then my god he was lazy and he should never get a chance to design a new stadium because of his laziness. Don't get me wrong it's a nice stadium but I hate it when stadiums are not only rough copies of one another but are as good as identical.

^^I've just noticed that too,the roof and the interior are almost the same,fortunately the exterior is different.
I wonder what is the cost difference between the two.
Warsaw national stadium:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18123442&postcount=42

from the polish threads i saw 360 mil euros ... but this includes: Along with the stadium the plans include constructing a general purpose indoor sports arena with places for 15,000 spectators, an olympic swimming pool for 4,000 spectators and an aquatic park, hotel and congress center, catering and service facilities. <wikipedia>(plz corect me id i am wrong) we have 130-146 mil euros ... but just the stadium and a small one 15k for the national rugby team

Costurile totale ale construcţiei noului stadion Naţional se ridică la 136 de milioane de euro, fără TVA, din care stadionul va costa 120 de milioane de euro, iar 16 milioane de euro va fi preţul acoperişului retractabil, a declarat astăzi, directorul firmei constructoare, Ştefan Monuş, citat de NewsIn.

136 million without added taxes,and it's just for the construction of the big stadium.

from the polish threads i saw 360 mil euros ... but this includes: Along with the stadium the plans include constructing a general purpose indoor sports arena with places for 15,000 spectators, an olympic swimming pool for 4,000 spectators and an aquatic park, hotel and congress center, catering and service facilities. <wikipedia>(plz corect me id i am wrong) we have 130-146 mil euros ... but just the stadium and a small one 15k for the national rugby team

No the 300mln odd euros is for the stadium itself the rest will have a seperate budget. There will be no olimpyc swiming pool and the arena will be for 20 000 spectators. The hotel+congress centre will be built using private funds.

I dont see how this;
http://www.2012.org.pl/en/host-cities/w/stadia.html
http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4891/z4891512X.jpg

Looks like this

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9746/lia3ai8.jpg

If anything the Bucharest arena is a copy of the stadium in Hamburg

http://www.architekten24.de/mediadb/news/4703/index.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Volksparkstadion.jpg

No the 300mln odd euros is for the stadium itself the rest will have a seperate budget. There will be no olimpyc swiming pool and the arena will be for 20 000 spectators. The hotel+congress centre will be built using private funds.

I dont see how this;
http://www.2012.org.pl/en/host-cities/w/stadia.html
Looks like this

If anything the Bucharest arena is a copy of the stadium in Hamburg


You are wrong,wrong,and WRONG.Read this:
^^I've just noticed that too,the roof and the interior are almost the same,fortunately the exterior is different.
I wonder what is the cost difference between the two.
Warsaw national stadium:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=18123442&postcount=42
You should also know that our stadium is 70% of the Commerzbank-arena in Frankfurt,but an obvious better version of it,with stands closer to the pitch,better looking exterior,and many other things:

http://www.gaestehaus-laubertal.de/commerzbank_arena.jpg
http://i42.************/2e15cp1.jpg
http://i40.************/2z68jdt.jpg

You deviated a bit from the subject...sry but I didn't see that you wrote the attendance thing,I got bored reading and maybe a missed a line ...or 2:lol:

Ataturk was a waste of money,a stadium with just one purpose,the 2005 CL final.
In our case the national stadium is built for the national team,so we need not talk further about this,or compare.

The idea is exactly the contrary of what you said about Ataturk.
Yeah, Ataturk was a waste of money, because Istanbul didn't win the bid for hosting the Olympic games. Then the 2005 Final was as much as I know more of a consolation for them.



Now face to Bucharest let's put in mind that Istanbul has the stadiums to host C.L. matches and they are decent for the NT to play starting with Fener's 5 star stadium continuing with Besiktas Inonu where Besiktas can play also in C.L. and Galatasaray's new project that will probably beat Fener's in quality.



Not the same thing can be said about Bucharest where only Steaua from the 3 big clubs can play in C.L. while Dinamo's is a stadium more then 50 years old build in communist req's and Rapid's is built just before the Second World War in a better manner but it's just too old and the stands are starting to show serious weaknesses.




Now my example of Ataturk was simply the thing that they built a almost 80.000 seat stadium with the same money we are going to build our copy of Hamburg or Commerzbank arena...it's not the thing with the athletics track, if you can build with that money a 80.000 stadium with athletics track you can surely build a 70.000 with not athletics track or with just a bit more money.
My idea with the athletics track was not that I want the National to be for athletics but more but more because I desperately want to see all the other stadium with no such thing at all.

So practically Dinamo at least is destined to play all it's important Euro games that will attract spectators like with United or Lazio over there, then it would be Rapid or even other teams from the province like when Lens played in Saint Denis to beat Manchester United in front of a full Stade de France.

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Separately, yeah the stadium kinda copies other stadium and the design is not VERY BAD but if we look better we see a lot of new stadiums that look alike these days, a lot of projects after Allianz Arena that looks like a toilet seat and my absolute favorite the Da Luz/Emirates style I like very much.

^^
You're starting to annoy me.

Every body is "wrong,wrong,and WRONG" but the truth is this stadium will have no identity, it's just one of a bunch of stadiums especially in Germany just like Cracovia said, designed by the same people from HSV Arena, Commerzbank to the new Hoffenheim.
I don't know where you see the darn distance of the stands from the pitch unless you're watching another sport not called football that has another pitch size:

http://fotos.auf123.de/images/commerzbank-arena.JPG

Every body is "wrong,wrong,and WRONG" but the truth is this stadium will have no identity, it's just one of a bunch of stadiums especially in Germany just like Cracovia said, designed by the same people from HSV Arena, Commerzbank to the new Hoffenheim.

Actually not at all.

1. The identity thing is your personal opinion only - to me it'll have a lot more identity than some stadiums that try to resemble Allianz but change some details to try and pretend any originality. It will also have more class than most contemporary "circuses" glittering in any way they can. Of course it will have some specifics of the architects and engineers, it's not meant to set the best of the best standards, I don't think Romania (or Poland as well with Warsaw's stadium) could afford to build something way beyond what we already know. That's that.

2. HSV Arena was designed by different people, so was Hoffenheim. (although I think HSV had same engineers with Frankfurt - which doesn't change much). I was actually surprised to see anyone point out Hamburg (would agree with Frankfurt). Waiting for Hannover then :lol: ...
I also find it funny for people to mix Warsaw in. Waiting for Cape Town then. If we start comparing interior we will have just one conclusion: the structure of stands worldwide is becoming more and more unified because of just several "optimum" settings for those. And that's no shame to any stadium if you asked me. We cannot blame a stadium for being a stadium and if these combinations of tiers and corporate are optimal, I see no wonder why people use them. Same goes with membrane roofs which are seen as a lot safer than other types (depending on climate of course). Moreover: I think every stadium by GMP/JSK with SBP has its identity. Those who think they've discovered something by noticing numerous similarities are sometimes becoming just childish with the "just a copy" theme. you could say that about absolutely every company designing stadiums, whether it's HOK, HKS, Lamela, not excluding Herzog and de Meuron. And not counting in the offices that have designed one or two stadiums only...

Every body is "wrong,wrong,and WRONG" but the truth is this stadium will have no identity, it's just one of a bunch of stadiums especially in Germany just like Cracovia said, designed by the same people from HSV Arena, Commerzbank to the new Hoffenheim.
I don't know where you see the darn distance of the stands from the pitch unless you're watching another sport not called football that has another pitch size:

http://fotos.auf123.de/images/commerzbank-arena.JPG

It has nothing to do with HSV Arena,even the constructor said it's after the Commerzbank-Arena,he also said the stands will be closer in our version,and the atmosphere will be much better.

How much closer do you want them? Built on the pitch? :rock:

How much closer do you want them? Built on the pitch? :rock:

I was quoting the constructor! maybe he''ll change the curvature of the stands and make the side line straighter,that didn't cross your mind?

It looks pretty damn close to me over there in the picture :crazy:

just the corners at Frankfurt are close (7,5m), because the stands aren paralel to the pitch.

It looks pretty damn close to me over there in the picture :crazy:

Learn to read.

I don't see nothing definite in what you said, you quoted nobody at all, you just said something that looks more like you're simple opinion maybe he said something like that, maybe not...
As you can see the new stadium are not built with the first seats right next to ground like old english stands and Commerbank has nothing less then what most of the new stadiums have, apart from that there are some rules that say there has to be a minimum distance from the first seats to the pitch for ambulances and other things.
And when you tried to explain the distance you're picture was made at a American Football match not a Football match as you can clearly see there the difference between the picture you posted and mine where the pitch is prepared for normal Football.

PS: Please don't try to reply if you don't have anything to say linked to the subject, keep them for you or talk to the walls.

Ma dobitocule,crezi ca eu nu stiu despre ce vb?nu mai comenta la ce scriu,ok?sa fii sanatos.
N-am incercat sa explic nimic cu poza aia,dar esti prea prost sa realizezi ca aia era doar ca sa prezint stadionul.

out of arguments :lol:

^^
Actually out of patience with stupidity.

You tow are like 2 roosters… nobody wants to back down …

Paul… I like mihai as much as you do…but I respect him… he is well documented and knows what he is saying… and is a person like us and we should get along… so maybe you should let it be…because he know more about the stadium…

Mihai … you have an attitude … this is a topic about the national stadium and that kid just doesn’t understand… don’t lose your patience … try to explain better…

Ma dobitocule,crezi ca eu nu stiu despre ce vb?nu mai comenta la ce scriu,ok?sa fii sanatos.
N-am incercat sa explic nimic cu poza aia,dar esti prea prost sa realizezi ca aia era doar ca sa prezint stadionul.

Talk in English, this ain't the Romanian forum, so traduce it for the admins :lol:


PS: If these are you're arguments...then :nuts:

Talk in English, this ain't the Romanian forum, so traduce it for the admins
Well this isn't english,you mean to say translate,and please,don't ever talk to me again,I don't give arguments to the unreasonable.

55.000 seats?Old Lia Manoliu was bigger:D

^^It had the same number of seats,it was bigger with benches,~80.000

55.000 seats?Old Lia Manoliu was bigger:D

My oppinion is that 55.000 seats are just enough.
And regarding the looks of the stadium, I think it's rather mediocre, but I don't think THIS is important. And even though it resembles the Frankfurt stadium or Warsava stadium you can't really say they stole the design, because that's a pretty simple one and every architect could come up with it.

^^The stadium does get it`s design after Commerzbank-Arena in Frankfurt,and it's not simple,that's just your opinion,neither is stolen,it's the exact same company that constructed the Frankfurt stadium.
Regarding the Warsaw stadium,we have nothing to do with that,but the roof and interior are are almost the same with the one in Frankfurt,maybe it's the same constructor...

^^The stadium does get it`s design after Commerzbank-Arena in Frankfurt,and it's not simple,that's just your opinion,neither is stolen,it's the exact same company that constructed the Frankfurt stadium.
Regarding the Warsaw stadium,we have nothing to do with that,but the roof and interior are are almost the same with the one in Frankfurt,maybe it's the same constructor...

The design of the roof and interior is similar, not the same

^^I said almost:


http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/2/4891/z4891522X.jpg
http://i42.************/2e15cp1.jpg

it looks AUF arena...I don't like this project because really imitation

^^ thats your problem not owers.

^^ thats your problem not owers.

ok..I agreed

I can't understand voices that Bucharest stadium is copy of Comerzbank stadium... I like new Lia Manoliu and can't wait when it will be finished...;)

Old news ...

Bucharest set for first final in 2012 :cheers:
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/news/kind=1/newsid=796275.html

Romania will host its first European club final after the new National Stadium in Bucharest was selected by the UEFA Executive Committee to hold the 2012UEFA Europa League final.

Under construction
Construction on the new 55,000-seater stadium is under way and expected to be completed by November 2010. It will be similar in style to the Frankfurt Stadium which was built ahead of the 2006 FIFA World Cup in Germany and will boast a retractable roof. On completion, it will become the new home of the Romanian national team and will also host domestic and international club matches, with FC Dinamo 1948 Bucureşti already having announced its interest in moving into the new ground.

Significant site
The new stadium will be the biggest in Romania and is being built on the same site as the old National Stadium, which was demolished at the end of 2007. Built in six months in 1953 and named 23 August after Romania's former national day, the old stadium had an initial capacity of 80,000 and hosted the International Youth Festival in 1953 before becoming home to the Romanian national football side and venue for the nation's most important domestic league and cup fixtures. It was also the venue for athletics competitions including the World University Games in 1981.

New name
After the December Revolution in 1989, its name was changed to the National Lia Manoliu Stadium in memory of Olympic discuss champion Lia Manoliu, and its capacity reduced to a 55,000 all-seater stadium. Romania defeated Albania 6-1 in their final match at the old venue, a UEFA EURO 2008™ qualifier on 21 November 2007. Romania last hosted a major UEFA event in 1998 – the UEFA European Under-21 Championship. The capital has also celebrated UEFA club competition success before, with FC Steaua Bucureşti winning the European Champion Clubs' Cup final in Seville in 1986.



http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6986/uefam.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uefam.jpg)

:cheers:
Stefan Cosma's pictures

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6618/dsc01032h.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01032h.jpg)
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/1476/dsc01033.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01033.jpg)
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Wow fantastic

great photos

pls, when was demolished the old stadium (year)...??

Is there any webcam available yet?

pls, when was demolished the old stadium (year)...??
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Started in November 2007,just after all the spectators left from the last match played there,Romania-Albania 6-1,and the demolition was finished last summer.Is there any webcam available yet?
Nope,not even a site,nothing,weird.

Wow, it will be great stadium.

I can't belive how it will only cost 1/3 Warsaw's clone.

Actually the Bucharest and Warsaw stadiums are both Frankfurt`s Commerzbank Arena clones,more or less.

I can't belive how it will only cost 1/3 Warsaw's clone.

If i'm not mistaking, the official cost of the new national stadium in Warsaw will be 270 mil. euros(1.2 billion polish zloty), which includes a 15.000capacity indoor sports arena, an olympic swimming pool with 5000 places and a hotel (Lia Manoliu will cost 135mil., half of that, not 1/3).... So we can understand the difference of aprox. 140 mil. euros between the two projects.

^^
for CL Final the stadium must have the minimum 70,000 seats

Not true! .....Finals played since 1992(the date when C.L. was established)
1995 final:Ernst Happel Stadion, capacity-53.000
1997,1993 final:Olympiastadion, capacity-69.000
1998 final:ArenA Amsterdam, capacity-51.000
2002 final:Hampden Park, capacity-52.000
2004 final:Auf Schalke(Veltins Arena now), capacity-60.000 (53.000seating places)
2012 final:Allianz Arena, capacity 69.000 (66.000 seating)

Actually, for hosting a CL final, a stadium must have(among other criteria) a capacity of min. 50.000, in order to get the 5 star, or Elite ranking from UEFA.

Evil 78,actually for a few years now you need a stadia with at least 70000 seats,Allianz Arena was chosen because its capacity is very close to that.
If i'm not mistaking, the official cost of the new national stadium in Warsaw will be 270 mil. euros(1.2 billion polish zloty), which includes a 15.000capacity indoor sports arena, an olympic swimming pool with 5000 places and a hotel (Lia Manoliu will cost 135mil., half of that, not 1/3).... So we can understand the difference of aprox. 140 mil. euros between the two projects.


136 million euros without additional taxes(19%).

The new Lia Manoliu National Stadium has a capacity for 55,000 with the potential expansion for 63,000. How is the stadium going to eventually expand to a 63,000 capacity? We put more seating at the very top?

If i'm not mistaking, the official cost of the new national stadium in Warsaw will be 270 mil. euros(1.2 billion polish zloty), which includes a 15.000capacity indoor sports arena, an olympic swimming pool with 5000 places and a hotel (Lia Manoliu will cost 135mil., half of that, not 1/3).... So we can understand the difference of aprox. 140 mil. euros between the two projects.

You see it's not

in Warsaw
Stadium 1bln PLN
arena 15000 140 mln PLN
poll & waterpark 280 mln PLN
infrastructure 150 mln PLN

E 400 ~ 450 mln EURO
only stadium 280 ~ 220 mln EURO (currency differences)

So you see Commerzbank Arena cost 126 mln EURO
Lia Manoliu and Narodowy are almost identical , both constructed inside old ones.

Can't see reason for such deifferences anyway

The new Lia Manoliu National Stadium has a capacity for 55,000 with the potential expansion for 63,000. How is the stadium going to eventually expand to a 63,000 capacity? We put more seating at the very top?

I have no idea.I haven't heard of a plan to expand the capacity.

You see it's not

in Warsaw
Stadium 1bln PLN
arena 15000 140 mln PLN
poll & waterpark 280 mln PLN
infrastructure 150 mln PLN

E 400 ~ 450 mln EURO
only stadium 280 ~ 220 mln EURO (currency differences)

So you see Commerzbank Arena cost 126 mln EURO
Lia Manoliu and Narodowy are almost identical , both constructed inside old ones.

Can't see reason for such deifferences anyway

1.The old one was completely demolished,so it isn't "on top" construction like in Warsaw.
2.Have you ever heard of corruption? it could be an explanation;)

The total cost depends on labor expense and the construction parts and materials price.Maybe you import a lot of the stadium parts,and you obviously have a more expensive exterior.
There could be many more differences that I don't know of.
Commerzbank Arena looks cheaper than Lia Manoliu, there also is a 6 year difference between constructions.Labor is much better payed in Germany,parts and materials are more expensive,and 126 mil euros then doesn't have the same value as today.
There are a lot of variables you need to keep in mind in this type of comparisons.

Not true! .....Finals played since 1992(the date when C.L. was established)
1995 final:Ernst Happel Stadion, capacity-53.000
1997,1993 final:Olympiastadion, capacity-69.000
1998 final:ArenA Amsterdam, capacity-51.000
2002 final:Hampden Park, capacity-52.000
2004 final:Auf Schalke(Veltins Arena now), capacity-60.000 (53.000seating places)
2012 final:Allianz Arena, capacity 69.000 (66.000 seating)

Actually, for hosting a CL final, a stadium must have(among other criteria) a capacity of min. 50.000, in order to get the 5 star, or Elite ranking from UEFA.

But they changed it
Star think is over

But they changed it
Star think is over

Yes, i know there is no star ranking anymore. That's why i wrote "...or Elite".
And i dont't understand why some of you are talking about 70.000, and that they changed it, and that Allianz Arena got the final because it has almost 70.000 seats:lol:. Can anybody quote an official UEFA source, that says something about this new rule???
I only know that Platini proposed in 2007 that finals should be held in stadiums with bigger seating capacity for security reasons, but nothing concrete was adopted. An example is that Allianz Arena got the final this year for 2012, although it has only 66.000 seats.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/UK_WORLDFOOTBALL/idUKL3082273420070830

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=772616 :D

Well, it's still hard to choose stadiums only over 70.000 seats but I think it's clear stadium with 50.000 won't get to host anymore.
And yeah, I heard the Lia Manoliu can be expanded to up to 63.000, IMO they could have made it a bit bigger then 55.000 from the beginning.

But for now I'm happy to actually have a future stadium where I can see football really well so I bet at least for the beginning I won't miss any match, It will also probably permanently host Dinamo Bucharest's games and also will help teams like Rapid or Urziceni play games in the European Cups. It will also probably be the only stadium that can host games starting from the last 16 Round of the Champions League, hypothetically, because there are very low chances a Romanian team will reach those rounds.

sper sa fie si un gazon de calitate

Moshu' said: I hope it will have a good pitch.

I think the pitch will be the same as before, they just covered it and will use it after the construction ends. They invested in it after the game with Denmark ( 2-5 in 2003 ) when we played on that sandy beach.

About the stadium, problems seem to start. The City Hall said that they payed a extra 10% on the initial project for a retractable roof that meant that the total cost was raised to 140 m. Euro. Witch IMO sounds weird since I never heard of a retractable roof and neither that it may cost this cheap. They say there are only 3 company's in the world that work on this thing and that they are already signed contracts with Ukraine, Poland and Brazil. They say that there are only 2 options. Neither they will complete the stadium with the retractable roof neither the stadium won't have a roof at all, not even for the spectators.

April 1st Paul.
sper sa fie si un gazon de calitate
Tu chiar iti pui problema asta?:lol:

Its obvious why Warsaw will cost more... firstly construction costs are bigger in Warsaw then Bucharest, also do not forget Warsaw NS will have:
-3 level underground car park located under the stadium
-all the materials used will be top quality
-the fasade costs will be huge compared to Bucharest,
-lets not forget about all the cool new electronic systems such as sms ticketing etc...
Further more this will be a Euro 2012 arena which will be showpieced to the world so no expenses can be spared.

Its obvious why Warsaw will cost more...construction costs are bigger in Warsaw then Bucharest, do not forget Warsaw NS will have:
-all the materials used will be top quality


What are you implying here?you don't know anything about Bucharest stadium.

April 1st Paul.

I would have said it it's a joke if the problem with Mutu was a joke, but don't forget anything is possible in our country :ohno:

What are you implying here?you don't know anything about Bucharest stadium.

i did not imply anything... what you infer is a different matter ;)

I would have said it it's a joke if the problem with Mutu was a joke, but don't forget anything is possible in our country :ohno:

De fapt cu Mutu s-a dovedit ca era o gluma,in presa zicea ca el se va operat astazi,si de fapt el va juca etapa asta la Fiorentina.
Nu cred ca e o vreo problema cu stadionul,stirea aia a aparut doar in carpeta.

i did not imply anything... what you infer is a different matter ;)
If the materials are more expensive it doesn't necessarily mean that they're better quality than ours,prices range could differ quite much between countries and producers.

^^
Ce legatura are Mutu cu thread-ul asta??? Aici se discuta despre viitorul stadion Lia Manoliu.... Mutu nu cred ca va apuca sa testeze gazonul noii arene....:)

Urmareste firul discutiei,foloseam ca argument pe Mutu pentru o alta stire,care implica stadionul national:)

English please

When we speak romanian it generally has little to do with the stadium,so it doesn't interest you.

is there any website where I can get updated photos?

Pana sa-i raspundem domnului de mai sus in engleza........cum se explica faptul ca un proiect si o constructie atat de importanta, ca noul stadion national, nu are un site, un webcam sau ceva...???????:dunno: Mai ales in conditiile in care(dupa cum afirmau autoritatile) se va construi in timp record, deci ar merita urmarit in toata lumea cum evolueaza lucrarile la arena.

is there any website where I can get updated photos?

Not yet:ohno:
Pana sa-i raspundem domnului de mai sus in engleza........cum se explica faptul ca un proiect si o constructie atat de importanta, ca noul stadion national, nu are un site, un webcam sau ceva...???????:dunno: Mai ales in conditiile in care(dupa cum afirmau autoritatile) se va construi in timp record, deci ar merita urmarit in toata lumea cum evolueaza lucrarile la arena.

Am mai vazut cazuri chiar si prin vest cu webcam-ul. dar la noi nu exista nici macar un site,fara pic de profesionalism.

De fapt cu Mutu s-a dovedit ca era o gluma,in presa zicea ca el se va operat astazi,si de fapt el va juca etapa asta la Fiorentina.
Nu cred ca e o vreo problema cu stadionul,stirea aia a aparut doar in carpeta.

Eu nu stiu ce ai vazut tu dar Mutu chiar n-a fost nici pe banca de rezerve la meciul de la Atalanta de ieri. Chiar nu vad unde e gluma, omul chiar nu a a putut sa joace cu Austria, n-a fost gluma.

@sercan: Simply we discussing about some articles that appeared on 1st of April, some are jokes...some are not. Simply he just says that thing with Adi Mutu being unable to play and ready to get operated is just a joke but he actually didn't play with Fiorentina. In the same day there were some articles about the national stadium with the roof. At least the one with Mutu is no joke...this can be, even though everything is possible in Romania.

Michael, the guys are right. Lets just talk in English. How would you feel joining a discussion for the Donbass Arena written in Chirilic? :)

Any news, anybody.....???
I passed through Bucharest next week and try to do some photos on the site ...

Any news, anybody.....???
I passed through Bucharest next week and try to do some photos on the site ...

Nice try Serkan!:nuts:
But if you translate my text, try to do it corectly. "passed" is in the past tense, and i said that i WILL PASS BY NEXT WEEK. It must be very boring, what you do there, doesn't it?? If you need any help, please contact me!

Googel Translate ;)
BTW its Sercan. Serkan is another name.

Googel Translate ;)
BTW its Sercan. Serkan is another name.

Ok, SerCan...It's not "Googel", it's "Google"....and you are being offtopic again.

Update:

http://i42.************/rwlzwp.jpg

http://i39.************/zxp8o6.jpg

It's going up very fast... I feel like it's around 30% completed

^^ don't want to dampen the mood but that is not 30%.

Yeah,it's about 15-20%,but the important thing is that they're on schedule.

Good to see progress on this one, very nice arena

^^ don't want to dampen the mood but that is not 30%.

28.804%? lol..

Update:

http://i42.************/rwlzwp.jpg

http://i39.************/zxp8o6.jpg

nu cred k e nevoie sa fac poze saptamanal pt k nu sunt asa de mari progresele, odata la 3-4 saptamani cred k e ok, oricum stati linistiti pt k acolo chiar se lucreaza, si la ora 1 noaptea se mai aud camionele, in poze nu se vede nici o miscare pt k era chiar in duminica de paste..:lol:

Mi-am dat seama ca e de Duminica:),e bine ca avem pe cineva la fata locului,sunt multi interesati sa vada contructia.Asteptam si alte poze in saptamanile urmatorare:cheers:,de asemenea cred ca va trebui sa postezi mai des poze cand se va ajunge la o faza mai avansata a lucrarilor.

ok. there's probably a lot going on that we can't see in those pics.

You can't see any people on the construction site because the pictures were taken on Easter day,everyone was free.
Linkar was telling us not to worry,they're working hard,he can hear trucks even at 1 AM.He lives next to the future stadium,and will be providing us with pictures in the future:cheers:

im happy to see the evolution of the construction , but it will be nice to have more pictures of the construction . If somebody live near of the site , take Picturesand post them ,Thank You ! :D

Sunt bucuros sa vad evolutia constructiei , dar ar fi bine daca cineva ar putea pune alte poze mai recente sa vedem restul lucrarilor . Multumesc !

;)

Someone have some news about the stadium ?
Cineva are noutati in privirea stadionuliui ?

:speech:

Im happy that Hungary gets a new stadium but i dont like the design. reminds me of some old 80s ones ( no offense). I guess its just my opinion.

Hungary? :)
Its Romania
Bucharest and not Budapest :)

Im happy that Hungary gets a new stadium but i dont like the design. reminds me of some old 80s ones ( no offense). I guess its just my opinion.

a typical 7-grade child form romania knows al the capitals of europe and a lot from the world... but don't expect to much from a ... probably ukrainien guy in calgary...

the project is a replica of a stadium from the 2006 wc... and that project was made in 2001-2002... so its not from the 80s...

Hungary? :)
Its Romania
Bucharest and not Budapest :)^^^^ oh haha i messed up! i thought it was budapest :lol::lol::lol::lol:

news from evenimentul zilei about the financing of the project (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/851886/Stadionul-National-gata-la-sfantu-asteapta/)

at least we can see some progress in first ring.

its gowing way to slow... it won't make it in time to host 2012 final...

http://www.evz.ro/pictures/articles/big/25120242be8c2ba2df0bd4565299e5b5.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/imagemanager/images/2009/mai/22/06casca_vs.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/imagemanager/images/2009/mai/22/01arena_mainvs.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/imagemanager/images/2009/mai/22/01varianta_main2_vs.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/imagemanager/images/2009/mai/22/01varianta_main3_vs.jpg

http://www.evz.ro/imagemanager/images/2009/mai/22/01varianta_main1_vs.jpg

Oh , nice pictures Thanks for posting them :D ! If you have the possibility to take other pictures do it . Thank you again Cornelihno ! :cheers:

the pictures were here :))


news from evenimentul zilei about the financing of the project (http://www.evz.ro/articole/detalii-articol/851886/Stadionul-National-gata-la-sfantu-asteapta/)

Ah ok :P you think that they not going to finish it before 2012 ?

^^ that’s what they say... the economic problems of the world is influencing the project... so in other words.. there is no money at the moment to finish it on time....

^^ that’s what they say... the economic problems of the world is influencing the project... so in other words.. there is no money at the moment to finish it on time....

Money will be found, do not worry. Great progress of the works :banana:

its gowing way to slow... it won't make it in time to host 2012 final...

http://www.evz.ro/pictures/articles/big/25120242be8c2ba2df0bd4565299e5b5.jpg


Why would it have to be ready for 2012 since it has nothing to do with EURO 2012???

Why would it have to be ready for 2012 since it has nothing to do with EURO 2012???

EUROPA LEAGUE CUP FINAL 2012 is planed to be hosted by us...

EUROPA LEAGUE CUP FINAL 2012 is planed to be hosted by us...

OK, sorry. I did not know that.

finally some other cities got hosting the finals of european cups, beside top 6-7 countries, I am glad to hear about Bucharest in 2012 and Dublin in 2011 :)

I've a bad feeling about this, because I think Romanians are not able to build the stadium right in time, in order to host the final in 2012. I'm afraid it was just another "unfulfilled promise" that our governors did (they are very used to do it, aren't they? ha ha ha!)

I've a bad feeling about this, because I think Romanians are not able to build the stadium right in time, in order to host the final in 2012. I'm afraid it was just another "unfulfilled promise" that our governors did (they are very used to do it, aren't they? ha ha ha!)

hahahha, situation here in Croatia is like that in Romania. in Zagreb, Dinamo's stadium is being renovated for 11 years now. ex president started renovated it and when he died renovated stopped. old stadium was beautiful, and now condition is awful, it is one of ugliest in the world, and I am embarassed as Dinamo and Croatia fan. it has four stands, and all are different. awful. For you I hope that Lia Manoliu will be built on time because you have money and strong league and good european cups results last years. :)

P.S. Come on, UNIREA URZICENI

hahahha, situation here in Croatia is like that in Romania. in Zagreb, Dinamo's stadium is being renovated for 11 years now. ex president started renovated it and when he died renovated stopped. old stadium was beautiful, and now condition is awful, it is one of ugliest in the world, and I am embarassed as Dinamo and Croatia fan. it has four stands, and all are different. awful. For you I hope that Lia Manoliu will be built on time because you have money and strong league and good european cups results last years. :)

P.S. Come on, UNIREA URZICENI

I beg your pardon, Livno, but you're not right at all. The ugliest stadium in the World ever (and, of course, the ugliest team) is Dinamo Bucharest (ha, ha, ha!!!!!). The stadium I mention is nicknamed "the hole from Stefan cel Mare". It's a shame for Romania!!!!!

I beg your pardon, Livno, but you're not right at all. The ugliest stadium in the World ever (and, of course, the ugliest team) is Dinamo Bucharest (ha, ha, ha!!!!!). The stadium I mention is nicknamed "the hole from Stefan cel Mare". It's a shame for Romania!!!!!

But I thought that you are talking that Lia Manoliu wont be build on time. I didn't know that you are speaking about Stefan cel Mare stadium. It is awful too, so two Dinamos (Bucharest and Zagreb) have ugliest stadiums in the world hahahha. (my club is Dinamo Zagreb)

dinamo zagreb stadium - Maksimir

http://metro-portal.hr/img/repository/2008/04/web_image/stadion_maksimir.jpg

never finished and I think it wont be finished in 20 years more hahahha (sorry for speaking about Croatian stadium on Romanian forum)

its gowing way to slow... it won't make it in time to host 2012 final...

It is more advanced than Warsaw's stadium ... Of course will be completed on time :cheers:

Yes. To me it looks like it will be ready in 2011.

It is more advanced than Warsaw's stadium ... Of course will be completed on time :cheers:


hmm don't know what to say... it must be finished by may 2011 i to think that it will be finished in time... but its just an opinion... and i tend to believe the well documented reporters...

Are there well documented reporters ?

they say so :lol: but realy.... this is romania... don't expect to much....

^^ if we weren't committed to stage UEFA cup final, yeah I would've had doubts :nuts:

PS Romania PM: "The stadium is a national priority" :)
http://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/liga-1/emil-boc-stadionul-national-este-o-prioritate-nationala-140298.html

When is the construction gonna start?

^^ It has started some time ago...

Check the previous page.

But I thought that you are talking that Lia Manoliu wont be build on time. I didn't know that you are speaking about Stefan cel Mare stadium. It is awful too, so two Dinamos (Bucharest and Zagreb) have ugliest stadiums in the world hahahha. (my club is Dinamo Zagreb)

dinamo zagreb stadium - Maksimir

http://metro-portal.hr/img/repository/2008/04/web_image/stadion_maksimir.jpg

never finished and I think it wont be finished in 20 years more hahahha (sorry for speaking about Croatian stadium on Romanian forum)

Guys, please don't torture yourself, it's not so bad!

Ce se mai aude de stadion, se mai lucreaza sau s-a renuntat de tot? Daca ne facem de ras si nu mai organizam noi finala din 2012, nu cred ca ni se va mai oferi vreodata o alta sansa (nici macar daca vom avea 5 stadioane de 5 stele in orasele din tara). Asa ca, Basescule, Bocule, Oprescule etc. luati aminte si ganditi bine ce veti face!!! Eu nu vreau sa-mi plec capul de rusinea voastra cand ies in lume! Sincer!

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1872/lm2x.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/lm2x.jpg/)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6544/61533626.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/61533626.jpg/)

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2596/lm3m.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/lm3m.jpg/)

Merci mult de poze, parca s-ar mai munci ceva, dar nu-mi dau seama daca au reintrat in graficul de lucru sau nu. Oricum, mai e mult pana departe!

english please

Thanks for photos. Suppose they are very recently.
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He said he doesnt want to be ashame when he walks outside country becouse romania would lose the final hosting if the stadium wont be ready in time.

BTW I was in a trip in Istanbul for a week recently . Will post there on its thread some impressions.

I don't understand you guys.
To me it looks like it will be ready in 2011.

Hehehe. I see u dont live in romania.
We romanians know about us that usually we arent capable of doing public projects otherwise than slow and very slow.

But currently it looks really good :)

Yeah , it looks really good ... you will see that you are going to finish it in 2011 , don't worry.
And thanks for the pictures ! If you can take others do it and post them here ! Thanks

:D

Sorry, Sercan! From now on I promise I'll write my postings in English only, so that any guy from different countries may understand us.

By the way, cornel001 lives in Romania and knows well the situation I was talking about (hi hi hi!!!).
In Turkey the situation is different (you already have built some great stadiums in Istanbul and hosted European finals), but here in Romania in 2009 they said the stadium cost is 150 mil. Euro, and in 2010 will say it costs 250 mil. Euro (where's the 100 mil. Euro difference, in whose pocket: Basescu's or Oprescu's ???). Stealing in Romania is our national sport, not footbal!!! (hi hi hi!!)

^^ please give us a break ... stealing is national sport everywhere in the world. Besides I do not know what the fuck you’re talking about?! There is a contract in place and the building site looks very advanced and well organised. How the fuck the only word you found in your dictionary is STEALING? And, regarding this particular project, where is this coming from?! Who's stealing what?! I’ll tell you what’s Romania’s national sport: complaining for no fucking reason 24/7 !!!
Your remarks are so unprofessional ... sooooo poor. For nonsense discussions use this: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=38480426#post38480426

And let's talk NATIONAL STADIUM only!!!

@nebunul, I dont share your oppinions.

yes, from what it looks it may be ready in time.
but, among the others an example : the local press/newspapers, are relating about this : the stadium was designed that it would have roofs above spectators. also there was planned a sliding roof above the field. our "great" leaders says now that they dont want the sliding roof (i think it should have this) becouse to try cutting some costs (not that big compared with the entire project). Also, the press says that this mechanism is manufactured only by three companies in the world, and it would take long before finished, and may be not ready in time. But the company that is rising the stadium (Max Bogl) says the sliding mechanims was designed with the spectators roofs, ie both or none would be put.
This sort of things arent unusual here, as other public projects also have usually some stupid shit associated wih them...

@nebunul, I dont share your oppinions.

yes, from what it looks it may be ready in time.
but, among the others an example : the local press/newspapers, are relating about this : the stadium was designed that it would have roofs above spectators. also there was planned a sliding roof above the field. our "great" leaders says now that they dont want the sliding roof (i think it should have this) becouse to try cutting some costs (not that big compared with the entire project). Also, the press says that this mechanism is manufactured only by three companies in the world, and it would take long before finished, and may be not ready in time. But the company that is rising the stadium (Max Bogl) says the sliding mechanims was designed with the spectators roofs, ie both or none would be put.
This sort of things arent unusual here, as other public projects also have usually some stupid shit associated wih them...

I think also nebunul is right. What is wrong with you complaining like this. The stadium site looks great and and it will be finished in 2011. cornel I don't know where do you have the info that the stadium will have "roofs" over spectators and field or no "roofs"...

The info has appeared repeatedly in the press, cant say where becouse wasnt only one newssite/newspaper. yes the project has nothing wrong now, but the "history" says its possible/probable to be messed up somewhere/somehow later... hope this will not.

PS whats the point in quoting the preceding message ? i'm sick of this.

^^ Cornel ... our "great" leaders" talk so much crap :ohno: ... 1000 nonsense/second. Just look at this:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=36252772&postcount=209

BTW I've been following this project for the last few years and not heard of such ^^ changes. See max-boegl website
http://www.max-boegl.de/boeglnet/web/show.jsp?nodeId=1656&lang=en

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, there is a contract in place, works are well underway and we’re committed to host UEFA final in 2012. Why give in media's paranoia ?!

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PS Romania PM: "The stadium is a national priority" :)
http://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/liga-1/emil-boc-stadionul-national-este-o-prioritate-nationala-140298.html

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