http://www.finbar.com.au/images/projects/Future%20Developments/fairlanes.jpg

Official Website: http://www.fairlanesperth.com.au/

Finbar website: http://www.finbar.com.au/Projects/Future_Developments.htm

old website: www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes

181 Adelaide Tce, EAST PERTH

ITEM NO: 5

175 AND 185 (LOTS 15 AND 20) ADELAIDE TERRACE, EAST PERTH
PROPOSED 27 STOREY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING
OFFICES, 128 MULTIPLE DWELLINGS, GROUND FLOOR DINING
AND ENTERTAINMENT USES, PUBLIC PLAZA AND A FOUR-LEVEL
BASEMENT CAR PARK
RECOMMENDATION: (APPROVAL)

LANDOWNER: 175 Adelaide Terrace Pty Ltd
APPLICANT: SS Chang Architects
ZONING: (MRS Zone) Central City Area
(City Planning Scheme Precinct) Adelaide (P13)
(City Planning Scheme Use Area) Office / Residential
APPROXIMATE COST: $56 million

DETAILS:
An application has been received for the development of an application for the
construction of a 27 storey mixed use development including offices, multiple
dwellings, ground floor ‘dining’ and ‘entertainment’ uses, a four-level basement car
park and a public plaza incorporating a terraced amphitheatre. The proposed
development is a revision of the previously approved office tower development on the
site, approved by the Council at its meeting held on 13 May 2008. The amount of
office space has been reduced from 16,495m2 (11 storeys) to 6,750m2 (five storeys)
and 128 residential apartments have been added over 19 floors above the office
levels. Each typical residential floor consists of seven, two and three bedroom
apartments ranging in size from 87m2 to 184m2. The residential and office
components of the development will be separated by a common amenities area on
the seventh floor of the building.

The provision of a public plaza including a performing arts facility, for which 20%
bonus plot ratio was previously granted by the Council, has been retained in the
current proposal.

The shape and layout of the ground floor lobby has been modified to incorporate
separate lift and lobby facilities for the office and residential tenants and also to
improve its function and visual links to the rear plaza spaces, improving the views to
the Swan River from Adelaide Terrace. The modification of the lobby area has
created an additional 200m2 of forecourt / plaza area. Minor modifications have been
made to the two ground floor commercial tenancies located either side of the public
plaza, which will accommodate restaurant and bar facilities.

An additional two basement levels have been added, creating a total of four levels of
basement car parking containing 300 car parking bays, consisting of 72 commercial
tenant bays and 228 residential car bays. One residential storeroom has been
provided for each apartment.

The exterior building materials will include painted pre-cast concrete walls, washed
aggregate concrete walls, stone cladding, aluminium weather proof louvres,
frameless glazing to the lobby and aluminium highlights.

with the tower a maximum height of 98 metres setback


Latest Renders
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6679/finbar2fm9.jpg

http://www.finbar.com.au/Investor_Relations/Asx_Announcement/2008/10-11-08-0.pdf


Latest Update
http://www.fairlanesperth.com.au

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6589/fairlanes1.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1166/fairlanes2.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4803/fairlanes3.jpg


Previous Proposals

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1653/fairlanes1lu3.jpg

renderings

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5584/176adl1rh0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/822/176adl2xo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what a hot looking building.
What is the height?
Is this next to ABC?

It's the old fairlanes bowling site, Finbar were going to put twin 10 level residential towers on the site, but as the office market only has 0.5% vacancy rate, they wanted to get into the commercial market so they changed the plan to a single 16 level office tower.

ohh wow looks nice!

16 floors so around 75 -80m?

61m

I am really feel the entry and landscaping of this!! mmm mmm!!

I love this tower.

What significant buildings are on the oppposite side of the road?

Finbar really are starting to own est perth.

beautiful design. Pity it's not 30-40m taller.

very, very nice.

Crap tower. Sure it's got a curtain wall glass facade but it still looks lame.

Low floor to ceiling heights and im sure it will be filled with internal collumns. B Grade space for Perth but it's C grade internationally.

^^ It's better than anticipated for the site.

It's a whole lot better than an 8 storey fridge box.

Crap tower. Sure it's got a curtain wall glass facade but it still looks lame.

Low floor to ceiling heights and im sure it will be filled with internal collumns. B Grade space for Perth but it's C grade internationally.

Im noticing extra cynicism today Citystyle, even for you. Everything ok? :)

The design's okay if a little plain - we've been spoilt lately though. It certainly isn't ugly, and it will at least modernise that end of Adelaide Terrace which, except for the new resi towers, is looking pretty tired. Commercially, 61m is pretty good for that end of town. I remember in the eighties when Adelaide Tce housed several caryards a la East Vic Park.

Im noticing extra cynicism today Citystyle, even for you. Everything ok? :)

Nothing cynical about it. It's B grade office space, so to say the design is great when it's clearly boring is strange. I like having high standards.

This will be an improvement on the cheap modernist crap at that end of town and even fills a skyline gap. I guess it could be a savvy move currently this part of East Perth when it comes to serious office space is empty, or it's a stupid commercial decision and the building could be empty in 10 years.

I reakons it one of the better designs we have got in the last few years, always need more glass in the city

May as well add this info here before it's lost in the spam thread.

The proposed development also includes two commercial tenancies (a café and a wine bar) of 284m2 and 246m2

each with alfresco dining at ground level located either side of a public plaza which

includes an amphitheatre / forecourt, public seating, reflection pond and water

features.



The main component of the public plaza is located on the northern side of the

proposed building and features a 510m2 terraced amphitheatre/forecourt with water

features, a reflection pond, two gazebos, public seating, public art, large trees and an

adaptable stage equipped with lighting and sound capabilities, a projection wall and feature plantings;

The forecourt/amphitheatre, which can be used for performances, features a 2.7 metre fall from Adelaide Terrace. Public seating is proposed either side of the grassed forecourt area and paved ramps lead from Adelaide Terrace to the building entry.

On the southern side of the entry lobby is a secondary paved plaza area featuring a large reflection pond which will be visible from the alfresco seating areas of the adjacent café/wine bar uses.


1.3 the creation of public view corridors from Adelaide Terrace through to the

Swan River by ‘lifting’ the building and designing the ground level as a

plaza and transparent lobby space;

1.5 the public being granted access to the public plaza

on the northern side of the building for a minimum

period between 5.00am and 1.00am of the following

day for 364 days of every year.

^^ Sounds like B grade to me Citystyle.. :)

A, B, C who cares it's better than 80% of the poposed rubbish out there and probably the best looking bldg in that part of town.

The forecourt sounds really interesting. Pity all the residents in the surrounding resi buildings will complain about the noise so nothing will ever get shown there.

It would be a great little place for some free movies or to watch the cricket/football on a sunday arvo though.

176 - roughly, where is this on Adelaide Trc. I mean, can anyone state what other buildings it will be near or opposite so I can get an idea of its locale.

It's the Fairlanes Bowling Alley site, directly behind the Westralian Apartments near the corner of Bennett Street (Next to old ABC HQ)

Nice. That part of the Trc is getting so so bulked up.

although i would of liked it to be bigger i still welcome this development :)

i have to say i love this development as it will do wonders in this area for both it's height/blue glass and it's office component which there isn't much done there.

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/402/dsc00076eq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

good point, plus it would break up the clusters of resi towers, although the area is deliberately designed to be the hub of residential development in the CBD.

is this just proposed or is it actually approved?

This is now 66m

revised DA has been submitted

DETAILS:
A revised application has been submitted for a 16 level office development containing
a two level basement car park and ground floor dining and entertainment uses that
enclose a landscaped public plaza incorporating a 510m2 terraced amphitheatre with
water features and a performing arts facility, at 175 - 185 Adelaide Terrace, East
Perth.
The design of the building has been revised with the intention of receiving the
maximum permitted bonus plot ratio of 20% under Clause 28 of the City Planning
Scheme No. 2 (CPS 2). The design of the façade and the roof top of the building has
been revised by raising the roof line and including a corner ‘turret’ which will display
the sign for the building’s major tenant. Feature sun shades have been added to the
northern and western façades of the building to assist in the energy efficiency of the
design. Framed and frameless glazing has been introduced to provide additional
variety and contrast between building elements and the addition of “alucabond” style
cladding to the external wall elements.
Minor adjustments have been made to the core layout and the typical office floor
plates to provide improved articulation to the Adelaide Terrace façade. The typical
floor plate for levels 11 to 13 have been revised to match the lowers levels creating a
simpler and more symmetrical building form.
The applicant has advised that they are aiming to achieve a 4.5 Star AGBR and 5
Star Green Star rating for the development (previously only a 4 star Green Star rating
was proposed). To improve the Green Star rating of the building, additional bicycle
parking and end of trip facilities have been included. A total of 145 bicycle racks will
be provided plus 24 bike bays at the building entry for visitors. The end of trip
facilities have been expanded to include 12 showers, 120 lockers and additional
toilets. Provision has also been made for grey water and storm water recycling
systems and roof top solar panels to be incorporated into the building.
While the design of the public plaza and ground level has been retained from the
previously approved proposal, an additional pedestrian exit from the basement car
park to the forecourt has been provided.

Cant complain at an extra 5m. The revisions sound sensible.

www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes

www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes

So I guess we should rename the thread to "Fairlanes"?

Fairlanes On Adelaide would sound better.

but it isnt, so what would the point be? "should be bigger" ;)

Fairlanes as a development name just sounds too short like its missing something. Fairlanes Business Centre or whatever.

www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes

I think the website has been updated to show details of the development. Either that or last time i checked it wasn't working.

Looking sexy in my opinion :)

Slightly different rendering than the one posted previously...

Old one:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5584/176adl1rh0.jpg


New one:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1653/fairlanes1lu3.jpg

^^

I actually liked the old one better.

Yeh the repeated horizontal awnings always scream of office park to me. The old one is more authorative, the new one more contemporary.

I like the new one. Looks less like century city.

I like the charcol feature on the old one.

yeh the new one looks much better imo

http://www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes/images/feature.jpg
http://www.finbar.com.au/fairlanes/images/feature.jpg

I like office buildings to front the street directly.... too much of a setback for my liking.

doubt the water feature will be built ;)

i want the office to be more closer to the street.

can we change the title please? to height 66m and name Fairlanes

:hi:


Docker do your thing please .. :)
fairlanes
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/2620730654_ca45c7a21b_o.jpg

Well it's always a good sign that they're demolishing the site. In light of the article in the paper regarding thing not going ahead.

17/09/2008 "FAIRLAINE BOWLING"
175 Adelaide Terrace
EAST PERTH WA 6004
Demolition of warehouse 90,000.00

im pretty sure the article only speculated about it not going ahead, due to it not having an anchor tenant.

noice mini-century city. somewhat actually more interesting than century city.

I like that the poster says 'Redefining the Perth office market.' What a load of toff.

Seriously, if your in advertising or marketing... kill yourself

... I am...

That was clearly done by someone at a print shop or something. (I hope.)

i think we will see more and more of these window shade things floor by floor as part of the green ratings, so its not necessarily the "century city" look, its the "green look".

whats are they actually called? i keep thinking louvres...

Not like anything has been deomolised with construction subsequently cancelled *cough Westralia Square cough*

One would think this will go ahead though.

i think we will see more and more of these window shade things floor by floor as part of the green ratings, so its not necessarily the "century city" look, its the "green look".

whats are they actually called? i keep thinking louvres...


they're called louvres/awnings whichever...

http://www.architectenweb.nl/thumb.aspx?src=/bin/news/42043.jpg&height=500http://www.architectenweb.nl/thumb.aspx?src=/bin/news/42045.jpg&height=500
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/131013959_17bc9e6a75.jpg?v=1145398174

thanks crave, ill call them awnings from now on.

that building is hot.

31/10/2008 "FAIRLAINE BOWLING"
175 Adelaide Terrace
EAST PERTH WA 6004
27 Storey Mixed Use
Office/Residential Development with a
4 Storey Basement.
56,000,000.00 DA 2008/2341

27?!!

:O

Residential?!!

:O

Mixed use in Perth? omg... not your average white box resi tower thats for sure!

The sign outside the site says 14 stories so potentially 120m here.

Yay mixed use.

ill believe it when the core is up to level 10

Finbar will be the first mixed use developer in Perth!

isnt equus mixed use?

Eqqus has 6 levels of office and 20 of apartments. I guess thats mixed used.

I thought there was a credit crunch. I'm pleasantly surprised there's still some activity around. Then again DAs don't mean anything. Heck forward works don't mean anything in Perth.

The sign outside the site says 14 stories so potentially 120m here.

Perhaps that is still from the old proposal.....

27 Stories plus a 4 storey basement sounds good for that end of town... hopefully there will be more in the future (after credit crisis has died out) :okay:

I definately prefer the old render! If the new shades had a more interesting and unigue design (shape) then the new render would look better!

its been redesigned again as per the new DA.

Well it will be taller than 80m so this is good news presuming Finbar can pull a decent design out.

lets wait and make sure it wasnt a typo first....

Finbar makes plans to extract gain from change
Australian Financial Review, 11 Nov 08

A lacklustre pre-commitment market has forced Perth property developer Finbar to rethink plans for a 15-storey office tower at the city's former Fairlanes bowling centre site in the eastern central business district. Finbar chief executive Darren Pateman told investors at its annual meeting in Perth yesterday that the group was planning to restructure the Fairlanes project to include 21 levels of residential units above six floors of commercial space. The change came as Finbar flagged a possible special dividend or share buyback on the expectation that a number of its residential towers due for settlement this financial year should provide "substantial" fiscal 2009 income. He said the group was on track to
better its record $12.2 million profit from last financial year. Settlements
due this year include the 81-unit Domus project east of the city. Mr Pateman said Finbar was well placed to maintain its dividend and would consider a special dividend as well as exploring the possibility of a share buyback if its shares continued to perform poorly.

Finbar closed unchanged yesterday at 530, down 37 per cent on a 52-week high of 84.5t. made in November last year. Mr Pateman
said it had "strong support" from the banks, that provide its project
financing facilities and that residential pre-sales covered the debt of its city projects by between 159 per cent and double. He said Finbar would remain conservative and would "only expose the projects to debt once
there are sufficient sales to help mitigate this risk", something that
many' financiers are forcing upon developers with the percentage of
pre-sales required rising to as much as 75 per cent of the development.
Mitigating risk is the reason for switching to a mixed-used development
at Finbar's Fairlanes project - the second time the developer has changed its plans for the site. Finbar abandoned plans for an $80 million 192-unit residential tower in favour of chasing the commercial market in late 2007.
While vacancy rates in Perth hover at a record 0.3 per cent low,
leasing agents have been fording it difficult to secure pre-commitments
needed to underpin commercial developments.

Companies that expanded on the back of the resources boom are
now sitting on their hands until the global economic outlook, and the
impact on their growth plans, becomes clearer.Some companies that had taken additional space in the past year on the expectation of continued expansion have begun sub-leasing it. While Finbar has been unable to
secure an anchor tenant for the 16,550 square metre Fairlanes office
tower, it said that it hoped residential sales would underpin the building's
development. Finbar plans to market the mixeduse project in the new year.

Residential sales remain slow in Western Australia. But Mr Pateman
said projects, mainly residential towers, would continue to be developed
"without interruption, on budget, underpinned by strong sales and good debt coverage". Settlements due this year include the 81-unit Domus project.

theres your typo chris.

this will just break 100m to roof, hopefully has a feature, so 100-110m is my estimate. very nice.

that means it will just be lower than AMP and the 'older boys' in the tower 'gallery' of ST Martins and Exchange Plaza. That is a good sign.

mixed use is a good sign also, im happy to wait and see... i would like to see this guy go deustche bank style of sydney fame... but i can dream of a building like that.

21 x 3= 63

6 x 4= 24

So this development will be minimum 87m but could push 100m due to ground floor and plantroom / roof feature.

residential can be anywhere from 3.2m to 3.7m each floor.

Reading the article makes me think that they are merely testing the waters with this DA, not really committing to building it. If the resi happens to sell well off the plan then they may proceed.
Have I got this right?

havent even seen a render yet. still sceptical

i love you guys too...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

Reading the article makes me think that they are merely testing the waters with this DA, not really committing to building it. If the resi happens to sell well off the plan then they may proceed.
Have I got this right?

luckily for them with the monkeys they have trained to design their buildings it wont cost much if they end up ditching this new design and having to redesign yet again. i mean how difficult can it be to copy, paste, change colour and extend/shrink?

helllooooooo nurse

i love you guys too...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

from http://www.finbar.com.au/Investor_Relations/Asx_Announcement/2008/10-11-08-0.pdf

^^ whats that

read the title thread

Not a great design at all. I really don't want to succumb to the "oh well it's better than nothing" and not complain but I will be happy if it gets built in any case.

luckily for them with the monkeys they have trained to design their buildings it wont cost much if they end up ditching this new design and having to redesign yet again. i mean how difficult can it be to copy, paste, change colour and extend/shrink?

I'm sure I've seen that building (and many others in perth) in my MS Visio stencils :lol: (non geeks may not get this joke)

its really nice actually. its mostly residential, remember that, and look how much glass is still there, its really good.

how does the addition of glass suddenly make a shit design good?

I'm sure I've seen that building (and many others in perth) in my MS Visio stencils :lol: (non geeks may not get this joke)

Yeah, I get it! :lol:

it looks quite nice

not a foster, but i have respect for finbar in that they churn out a very large number of projects

others like saville couldnt organise a piss up in a pub

best proposal ever for the site lolz

going off that elevation i'd say it would be 95m high.

give them a bonus for going higher...and give us 40 more metres!

going off that elevation i'd say it would be 95m high.

hehe how do you get to 95m? I reckon 96.5m going by that pic....

im gonna go the samboy route of cynicism and vote for 0m.

hehe how do you get to 95m? I reckon 96.5m going by that pic....

are you just joking or could you zoom in far enough to see the numbers on the elevation?

from same document

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6679/finbar2fm9.jpg

i think it would just pip the 95m mark

I quite like it. Will be the nicest thing in that part of town that's for sure. Hopefully this will be just the begginning of larger scale mixed use developments.

The second picture doesn't look half bad.

i love you guys too...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

from same document

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6679/finbar2fm9.jpg

from http://www.finbar.com.au/Investor_Relations/Asx_Announcement/2008/10-11-08-0.pdf

the pdf sean linked to has a concept for the abc site.

i think it should now have its own thread, so ill start one with the render.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=746414

Its simple and tasteful and is neither white nor tarted up with green stripes. So its a good step forward for Perth.

Not a great design at all. I really don't want to succumb to the "oh well it's better than nothing" and not complain but I will be happy if it gets built in any case.

I'm totally with you acc. It's plain and functional but it's not ugly-duckling Zenith. Would be a fine addition in that end of town, but otherwise it's very meh.

Yes agreed, standard design... only real advantage it holds is that it demonstrates to Perth that mixed use can work. Also adds a little density to the eastern edge of the skyline. In terms of being a real addition to the skyline you really need something 130m+ to make a significant impact. I mean look at century city, this would sit at the same kinda level, not that impressive.

i love you guys too...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

:O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O :O

everyone, say hello to "raising tha bar"...

it reminds me of clarendon tower...

:|

I love it... lots of glass is needed in East Perth. Not your typical Perth resi design thats for sure.

I like glassy. I really like this.

Its not going to win any awards, but I would have preferred east perth looking like this rather than the current crop of finbar fridges.

I quite like it. Will be the nicest thing in that part of town that's for sure. Hopefully this will be just the begginning of larger scale mixed use developments.


how about elevation, thatll be pretty good too.

its not mixed use though.

90-100m seems the new standard for east perth now.

^^yeha but i mean the looking good for this part of town part haha.

from same document

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6679/finbar2fm9.jpg

similar angle and chunky balconies... nice. :)

i actually think tha lines on tha finbar proposal are a lot more in-line with tha building...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a206/crave1980/12-11-08_1936111.jpg

God its almost identical

Time to start up again

Sanj: 89m
Dilaz: 95m
Auxodium: 95m
Homeroids: 96m
Docker: 98m
Tbor: 100m
Crave: 103m

103m

100m ;-)

89m

97m

104m

(Good change to listing the floor count, when we dont know the height.)

105m

101m

I'll take 97m. Don't think it will quite crack the 100m mark sorry.

97m

^^ Guess again, nailz beat you to that height.

97.5m?

are buildings counted in .5 m at all?

^^ Guess again, nailz beat you to that height.

Tough titties. 97m is what I think it will be. I don't care if someone else has the same idea.

I refuse to guess, i'd rather be pleasnatly surprised than let down...yet again.

haha. can i cast samboys vote for him?

his guess is 0m.

haha. can i cast samboys vote for him?

his guess is 0m.

hahahah you know me too well mate. The funny thing is I was going to post my guess as '2030' but I changed my mind as I'm trying to shed my wet blanket reputation. But hey you had to drag it out of me :lol:

27st mix use?, my guess will just be over 100m, so 102m :okay:

106m for me!

Samboy: 0m
Sanj: 89m
Dilaz: 95m
Auxodium: 95m
Homeroids: 96m
JohnVB: 97m
NailZ: 97m
Urbania: 97m
Docker: 98m
Hayds: 98m
Tbor: 100m
Rocstar: 101m
BIG MAN: 102m
Crave: 103m
Scraperfan: 104m
acc521: 105m
Perth4life: 106m

hey hey I never said zero...sanj put words in my mouth ;) .... my prediction was '2030' (completion date)

i want to change my guess to 94m based on some re-calculation.

120m. I want the ridiculous, unachievable vote.

107m...
All the good guesses are taken.

I'm changing to 98m.

i'll go for -2m. (excavations then halt)

WAuzzie: -2m
Samboy: 0m (sorry but you need a height)
Sanj: 89m
Scraperfan: 94m
Auxodium: 95m
Homeroids: 96m
JohnVB: 97m
NailZ: 97m
Urbania: 97m
Dilaz: 98m
Docker: 98m
Hayds: 98m
Tbor: 100m
Rocstar: 101m
BIG MAN: 102m
Crave: 103m
acc521: 105m
Perth4life: 106m
PD: 107m
Bullswool: 120m

108m for me.

(27x4)

104.36m

I see 99m is up for grabs. Pick me, fat cat!

WAuzzie: -2m
Samboy: 0m (sorry but you need a height)


Ah but what if he is assuming that ground works will be completed and that only the basement levels are completed before they give up ;)

Ah but what if he is assuming that ground works will be completed and that only the basement levels are completed before they give up ;)

i was meaning i wasnt accepting a date.

WAuzzie: -2m
Samboy: 0m
Archie: 88m
Sanj: 89m
Brendo: 93m
Scraperfan: 94m
Homeroids: 96m
JohnVB: 97m
NailZ: 97m
Urbania: 97m
Dilaz: 98m
Docker: 98m
Hayds: 98m
dallastexjr: 99m
Tbor: 100m
Rocstar: 101m
Auxodium: 101m
BIG MAN: 102m
Crave: 103m
Citystyle: 103m
nazor: 104m
acc521: 105m
Perth4life: 106m
PD: 107m
Scrawny: 108m
Bullswool: 120m

Seems most people are on the mark. I will say 103m.

101m... that is my guess if we are now having a contest on this it will be CC size

88m.

93m based on nothing more than a random guess but hopefully it breaks the 100m mark!

pathetic.

only 63m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1056.pdf

I win!! The rules say the closest one not exceeding the limit :lol:

pathetic.

only 63m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1056.pdf

that has to be a typo, considering 63m divided by 27 floors is only 2.333, that means everyones head will be in the roof...

i have a feeling that it was meant to be 93m...

Its not the Price Is Right!

dont forget the 27 includes 4 basement levels

giving 63/23 = 2.7m which could work, they must have cheaped off on a one level foyer or something

63m

can't be right?

tha DA reads:

19 resi levels = 57m

6/7th floor common area, acts to buffer resi/office components... 4m?

5 office levels... 20m?

confused...

dont forget the 27 includes 4 basement levels

giving 63/23 = 2.7m which could work, they must have cheaped off on a one level foyer or something

but basement levels are not included as floors, and as crave said there are 19 levels of resi 5 levels of office and the seperating common ammeinties on the 7th floor, which is 25 floors without including the basement and then there are the two lobby floors as well.

ah ok, hrm well i guess we will just have to wait and see.

I win!! The rules say the closest one not exceeding the limit :lol:

hahaha this is true.

bastard.

hahaha this is true.

bastard.

What are the odds, really.

He was probably just having a guess for the fun of it. Either that or he was extremely bored :lol:

well actually i suggested that was samboys vote due to his cynicism. smartarse that i am, it backfired.

What are the odds, really.

He was probably just having a guess for the fun of it. Either that or he was extremely bored :lol:

You mean the odds of being let down in Perth? ;)

well actually i suggested that was samboys vote due to his cynicism. smartarse that i am, it backfired.

That'll learn ya :P

You mean the odds of being let down in Perth? ;)

No, that the person who cares the least...erm...I mean the most realistic...would be closest to the mark :tongue2:

pathetic.

only 63m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1056.pdf

That has to be a typo. 63m is way too short, even by Finbar's standards. I mean the Reflection towers are 80m at only 24 levels, all resi.

yeah its either a typo or it is 63m within the height plane.

maybe it's 93m...

slip of tha fingers... 63m

pathetic.

only 63m

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/documentdb/1056.pdf

i am pleased to report this was a typo, and the actual height is approximatly 98m

sorry samboy but you don't win

i am pleased to report this was a typo, and the actual height is approximatly 98m

sorry samboy but you don't win

:rofl:

That's more like it. Thanks Dock :)

i am pleased to report this was a typo, and the actual height is approximatly 98m

sorry samboy but you don't win

hi docker, where does i say 98m? ive looked and looked.

That makes me a winner! Yay!

hi docker, where does i say 98m? ive looked and looked.

i emailed the developers finbar

hahahaha....noooooooooooooooooo i already spent all the anticipated spoils. what am I going to do now :lol:

hahah see what happens when u oldfellas hang out with us irresponsible want it all now with no thought of the future generation y kids?

You have to be kidding? I miss out by a single meter? I'm gonna call the developer to make a model of my knob and stick that on top to make it 99m :)

Watch docker hit the 'cull post' button hehe.

Don't all get your knickers in a knot yet. There's a difference between saying something is approximately 98m and saying something IS 98m...

i don't understand anymore!)%&@)(%&@*_%@()$

i hope they stick a spire on it to make it more than 98m and say 100m lol

Don't all get your knickers in a knot yet. There's a difference between saying something is approximately 98m and saying something IS 98m...

Correct...and there is also a difference between saying something is 98m and actually building it......

ITEM NO: 5

175 AND 185 (LOTS 15 AND 20) ADELAIDE TERRACE, EAST PERTH
PROPOSED 27 STOREY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING
OFFICES, 128 MULTIPLE DWELLINGS, GROUND FLOOR DINING
AND ENTERTAINMENT USES, PUBLIC PLAZA AND A FOUR-LEVEL
BASEMENT CAR PARK
RECOMMENDATION: (APPROVAL)

LANDOWNER: 175 Adelaide Terrace Pty Ltd
APPLICANT: SS Chang Architects
ZONING: (MRS Zone) Central City Area
(City Planning Scheme Precinct) Adelaide (P13)
(City Planning Scheme Use Area) Office / Residential
APPROXIMATE COST: $56 million

DETAILS:
An application has been received for the development of an application for the
construction of a 27 storey mixed use development including offices, multiple
dwellings, ground floor ‘dining’ and ‘entertainment’ uses, a four-level basement car
park and a public plaza incorporating a terraced amphitheatre. The proposed
development is a revision of the previously approved office tower development on the
site, approved by the Council at its meeting held on 13 May 2008. The amount of
office space has been reduced from 16,495m2 (11 storeys) to 6,750m2 (five storeys)
and 128 residential apartments have been added over 19 floors above the office
levels. Each typical residential floor consists of seven, two and three bedroom
apartments ranging in size from 87m2 to 184m2. The residential and office
components of the development will be separated by a common amenities area on
the seventh floor of the building.

The provision of a public plaza including a performing arts facility, for which 20%
bonus plot ratio was previously granted by the Council, has been retained in the
current proposal.

The shape and layout of the ground floor lobby has been modified to incorporate
separate lift and lobby facilities for the office and residential tenants and also to
improve its function and visual links to the rear plaza spaces, improving the views to
the Swan River from Adelaide Terrace. The modification of the lobby area has
created an additional 200m2 of forecourt / plaza area. Minor modifications have been
made to the two ground floor commercial tenancies located either side of the public
plaza, which will accommodate restaurant and bar facilities.

An additional two basement levels have been added, creating a total of four levels of
basement car parking containing 300 car parking bays, consisting of 72 commercial
tenant bays and 228 residential car bays. One residential storeroom has been
provided for each apartment.

The exterior building materials will include painted pre-cast concrete walls, washed
aggregate concrete walls, stone cladding, aluminium weather proof louvres,
frameless glazing to the lobby and aluminium highlights.

with the tower a maximum height of 98 metres setback

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1938/finbarei3.jpg

So this is the new design? If so, awesome!

Where have you been DR? :p

Been busy!

Approved by planning committee tonight.

Residential tower for bowling alley site
2nd Jan 2009


A 27-storey residential development proposed for the former Fairlanes bowling alley site in Adelaide Terrace will include public entertainment facilities under conditions approved by the City of Perth.

The development will include 128 residential units with an extensive street-level public plaza, dining and entertainment uses.

The plaza will incorporate a terraced amphitheatre with water features, public art and projection wall.

For more than 40 years the site, at 175 Adelaide Terrace, was the home of ten-pin bowling in the central city. The City has stipulated that there be recognition of the social and cultural values of this former use in the plaza design.

Lord Mayor Lisa Scaffidi said the bowling centre had been a popular facility in the city and the Council had sought a new building design which encouraged public use and interaction.

“The east end of the city is an increasingly popular residential area and innovative public spaces will add to its character and liveability,” she said.

The Fairlanes site is being developed by the Finbar Group Ltd.

Council approval aside, what are the realistic chances of this starting within the next 2 years?

Council approval aside, what are the realistic chances of this starting within the next 2 years?

You've really got to stop being so naive and hopeful and optimistic, samby. Always looking at life through rose-coloured glasses is bound to get you hurt ;)

well, realistic if finbar have tha dollars already.

hahaha...it was actually a serious question for once (no cynicism intended)

it is probably one of the more realistic proposals in my opinion. finbar are pretty conservative and dont take big risks etc so they are in a pretty good position financially, compared to saville etc. they have had record profits in the last 2 years (altho they were from a fairly low base of around $8m i believe). they also have a builder ready (gerry hanssen) and wouldnt have issues in that regard too.

this is of course just what i think and i dont have any inside knowledge or havent heard any rumours etc.

Yeah. even if the heat is out of the market, people are still going to want somehwere to live.

i would be thinking finbar with a good record, solid finances and a builder on call is the safest bet.

hahaha...it was actually a serious question for once (no cynicism intended)

LOL ok I take it back then.

You should use next time :okay:

I think it will begin sometime this year given that current jobs are in their final stages and most of those apartments were sold during the boom.

...those apartments were sold during the boom.

its so strange referring to the boom as past tense!

As far as I'm concerned WA boom is 2009-2012 which is when we'll SEE the results of the boom! Ironic and so typical of Perth (SLOW).
During the actual boom all I saw is INCREASED prices and reduced service levels which is a trend that will be hopefully reversed in the coming few years.

hey guys we lease the top floor of the office next door (165 adelaide terrace)

This will definately be going ahead soon. THey have just started to fence it off and we had a guy come through last month doing like a seismic report for the demolition. He said it should be starting within the next few months so should be good.

Hopefully they will put in some nice eateries next door for lunch

As far as I'm concerned WA boom is 2009-2012 which is when we'll SEE the results of the boom! Ironic and so typical of Perth (SLOW).
During the actual boom all I saw is INCREASED prices and reduced service levels which is a trend that will be hopefully reversed in the coming few years.

That's not typical Perth, that's most places!

Christ. Even London is not seeing the full effect of the boom until now and over the next couple of years as a lot of buildings reach full height and get finished. There's nothing slow about it, it's just the way the econmy works!

brilliant mark, good to hear at least finbar's business model is working.

sigh lets just hope its not a finbar fridge again..they should really do something different for once.

The renders are in post one of this thread. Looks ok in my opinion.

sigh lets just hope its not a finbar fridge again..they should really do something different for once.

expect the interiors to look exactly the same too.

i wonder why they only use the one architect (SS Chang). must be a related party

SS chang is on the board of finbar.

ah really? never knew that. thanks dilaz.

Ive noticed from the bus this week they have started dismantling the interior, so demolition shouldnt be too far away.

Sad in a way, had a few great "rock n bowl" nights at Fairlanes.
But the tower will really add to the height in that end of town.

Fairlanes was awesome. Period.

Maybe they can get a bowling alley in 140 or Raine?

I noticed on the bus this morning one half of Fairlanes has been completely demolished.

Good news is its starting to open up the back of the Westralian apartments to show how big they are......from Adelaide Tce perspective.
:)

Im excited this project looks far better quality than anything Finbar have proposed before. Also there tallest.

So this is 98m right? I noticed the render they are showing at this site is only about 14 storeys.

i think because they are demolishing the site they just never bothered to update the boardings out the front, so not to waste money.. so hopefully when they are doing site works and have hoardings up they will put the new renders up.

Even Finbar's web site under Commercial Projects still has the old 14 story proposal web link. Id say they'd be working on that behind the scenes too.
:wave:

The old building is almost completely gone now. Just the facade and a little bit of the front area left. The half where the pink wall is, is just the facade and has a massive hole in it.

Like Daz said, you never realise just how big the site is until you see it all cleared like this.

on sale march

http://www.finbar.com.au/images/projects/Future%20Developments/fairlanes.jpg

http://www.finbar.com.au/Projects/Future_Developments.htm

Damn. That looks good.

So this will be on both the fairlanes and ABC sites? If so :ohno: you could fit almost 2 or 3 building in that area.

EDIT: Actually never mind, I realised that there is a line between the 2... Ooops!!

^^ there will be a seperate development on ABC site (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=746414) which will include two towers.

Completely gone. Only rubble remains.

cool any pics?

http://twitpic.com/1r11f is it I think.

http://www.fairlanesperth.com.au

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6589/fairlanes1.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1166/fairlanes2.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4803/fairlanes3.jpg

Thank god westralia will be completely blocked from the north. Its a terrible building.

Thanks for posting all these updates.

:dance2: The render in the above photo looks even better than one on the Finbar web site?

Soaring over 26 Stories Fairlanes Perth will encompass a total of 128 exclusive luxury 2 bedroom / 2 bathroom and 3 bedroom / 2 bathroom apartments.

So is it 26 or 27 Stories?

Great Photo's BartBart.

looks alright by East perth standards. Is this definitely going ahead or is there some pre commitment criteria?

looky what i found in todays paper. promising.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/7594/image009v.jpg

docker - pretty much what they have on the website that I linked. But yeah, I agree that it looks like between the ad, website and banner on the site fencing that it looks promising.

ffs. 550000 ... a one bed bottom floor i imagine. hellllooo.... recession ... cheaper plzzz. i wanna have something nice without having to win lotto!

That looks hot. Hope they glass is actually blue. Damn.

that fairlanes looks sexy

ffs. 550000 ... a one bed bottom floor i imagine. hellllooo.... recession ... cheaper plzzz. i wanna have something nice without having to win lotto!

according to the wesbite, the building only has 2x2s and 3x2s

so that would be 550k for a 2bed 2bath on the 8th floor.

by perth standards it's not too expensive. At face value I'd much rather buy there than equus although I haven't seen any floorplans. You can probably buy the equivelant in Melbourne for 400+. I don't need to comment about what you get for your money there

Might as well rename that part of town Finbar Central.



Just like past City Rd in Melbourne is called Central Equity Square.

they're called louvres/awnings whichever...

http://www.architectenweb.nl/thumb.aspx?src=/bin/news/42043.jpg&height=500http://www.architectenweb.nl/thumb.aspx?src=/bin/news/42045.jpg&height=500


Coincidentally crave, the building you show there is the Walterbos tax office in the Netherlands, built using BubbleDeck - you can see in those photos how thin the floors are and how much space between columns. The builder of Fairlanes is also using BubbleDeck for this project.

C! Now thats wot weeeee need!

I do agree with you WCG nothing like that in Perth.

What the fuck is bubble deck. Never heard of it.

Just googled it. Great idea.

Coincidentally crave, the building you show there is the Walterbos tax office in the Netherlands, built using BubbleDeck - you can see in those photos how thin the floors are and how much space between columns. The builder of Fairlanes is also using BubbleDeck for this project.

cheers for tha info and welcome to ssc... :p

please feel free to sample my virtual freshly baked savoury muffins over by tha light dimmer switch...

Coincidentally crave, the building you show there is the Walterbos tax office in the Netherlands, built using BubbleDeck - you can see in those photos how thin the floors are and how much space between columns. The builder of Fairlanes is also using BubbleDeck for this project.

Thank you mystery man. Without a doubt one of the coolest materials out there, much more flexible than other concrete flooring systems.

I hope this is a sign of things to come from Finbar, (i presume they are prefab) should increase there construction speed dramatically considering they already use precast panals.
:banana:

ffs. 550000 ... a one bed bottom floor i imagine. hellllooo.... recession ... cheaper plzzz. i wanna have something nice without having to win lotto!

I agree, you'd think the prounced contraction in the upper end of the real estate market would mean developers would start targeting normal people at last!

...however, most of the suitable plots of land in the CBD were probably bought for a mint during the boom, and now developers have no choice but to set high prices for new apartment projects.

In summary: it sux.

tbor - that 550k was for an 2 bed on the 8th floor not a 1 bed.

i agree with yyour sentiment tho.

550k is reasonable for a 2 bedder on lv 8.

for who? can U afford it? how many ppl do u think here can afford that? jessus. thats half a million bux. about 1/2 - 1/3 of ur whole lifes earnings.

Its inner city living what do you exspect, its for people with money.
Not for the poor :D

for who? can U afford it? how many ppl do u think here can afford that? jessus. thats half a million bux. about 1/2 - 1/3 of ur whole lifes earnings.

Well welcome to reality.

Its inner city living what do you exspect, its for people with money.
Not for the poor :D

im talking about middle class. not the poor. the poor cant afford to rent let alone buy half a million dollar apartment.

for who? can U afford it? how many ppl do u think here can afford that? jessus. thats half a million bux. about 1/2 - 1/3 of ur whole lifes earnings.

Yep, they are expensive. But look at it this way, in ten years from now they could be worth 1 million.

Buy one with a friend or partner. Thats the equivalent of having a one bedroom unit, with shared kitchen/bathroom, inner city, for $225000. Thats more realistic.

There's always a way.:okay:

the thing is tho, he is whinging that he cant afford this - why do u have to buy a new apartment? there are plenty of 2x1s around east perth now available for a lot less than 550k.

note to self - i have to learn how to not get affected by Gorans insightful posts

Too true. Baby steps is the way to go and I think that there would be some good bargains out there atm with older units.

Yep, they are expensive. But look at it this way, in ten years from now they could be worth 1 million.

Buy one with a friend or partner. Thats the equivalent of having a one bedroom unit, with shared kitchen/bathroom, inner city, for $225000. Thats more realistic.

There's always a way.:okay:

Spot on, stu :)

This is what most people do and $550,000 is not bad for a 2-bedder on that level.

Very true about the value going up in a few years. The guy who bought my apartment who we bought it off got it for half of what it's worth today. And this was only 2 years ago.


note to self - i have to learn how to not get affected by Gorans insightful posts

:lol:

site now live

http://www.fairlanesperth.com.au/

god. i resent those prices so much right now.

hiss.

lol. tha southside view of that neighbouring tower directly in front is a bit :buh-bow:

:p

oh and

ps. pool, spa, sauna... hello strataliscious fees...

i'll give big thumbs-up on tha "amenities level" tho... yum.

I see they got the word "iconic" in there. :ohno:

The layouts in those apartments leaves something to be desired :|

i think tha overall standard isn't bad at all... it's a good open layout in living areas for tha 2brm i had a look at on tha website.

Nothing special, though.

yeah the problem with it is that it will inevitably look the same all all their other developments once u are inside. i can almost guarantee that the same granite benchtop that has been used in 128, soho, infinity, altair, domus, horizon (maylands) i think cosmopolitan and probably westralian will be used again.

same with things like balcony tiling etc. there is ZERO thought that goes into their shit.

also, i havent been in their rivervale development but i would be pretty certain it looks the same on the inside too. same with royale.