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Parchie

October 22nd, 2010, 07:53 AM

Sir Zid, could you explain why there is a significant difference in capacity between elevated and underground rail?
In terms of speed, they are separated so it shouldn't be a factor.
In terms of capacity(weight and width), that is an engineering problem and can be solved by design.

Also it is confusing to discuss at times as what we call LRT is called elevated rail, and what they call LRT is an on grade train system with traffic intersections.

Lemme help, though I am no expert!

Talking about capacity, you will consider the width and the length of the cabooses! When you do an underground rail, you will incur more construction costs if you design your caboose as wide as those on grade trains; definitely, most underground trains are limited as to how wide the tunnels are (logic dictates you will have to settle for a narrower tunnel especially if the funds are tight)- even if each of the cabooses are of the same lengths.
Above ground rails has the advantage of having a longer loading/ unloading bay and hence more number of cabooses per train compared to an underground system. Try surfing the web and search for trains in India: the whole train of cabboses load and unload quicker when the people simultaneously ride/ alight from those cabooses - not to mention the number of cabooses in one train! For comparison, please find a full picture of any underground rail system and compare the number of cabooses per train.
I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it! You don't have to be an engineer to picture the difference!
The most important things to consider in designing systems are operability, safety issues, environmental concerns, and cost. Aesthetics and beauty can come after.

zidlakan

October 22nd, 2010, 04:22 PM

zidlakan is refusing to answer?..or just doesn't have the answer to this question!:lol:

you wish ... he he ... and if you really believe i don't have the answer, or is
refusing to do so, i'll indulge you by not answering, so that you can claim either
one is true or even both. i hope that will make you happy then ... then you can
continue on the dream ...

thank you very much for all well-wishers here at SSC most especially SSC-cebu.
i am so very busy nowadays trying to prepare, ... just in case it will really hap-
pen, ... to transfer to a new job. i say just in case because i'm not too sure yet
like most of you, on the appointment. until such time as it is signed, i won't
discount the possibility that some parties would try to prevent it. i know too
much of many things which were attempted derail that to understand that things
might still go wrong - attempts which i can not post here and which were not
printed in the newspapers, but which actually awed me as to the depth of the
intent just to do that. and so i really just have to wait for it ... and work on the
hundred different requirements needed by government rules and regulations.

so i can't really post much ... did monitor from time to time, and am really
thankful for the support, even from those who personally don't know me or
who i don't also know personally. hopefully, someday soon, i can share to you
some of our plans as they are formulated, especially that i already said i will
always consider suggestions posted in SSC, chosen of course, for soundness
and relevance. hope you understand i won't be too active here at this time
and even in the near future as i settle slowly with the new challenges. maybe,
later, i can have more time to interact with you.

again, thanks a lot, guys ...

other people knew why, don't even have to explain myself to them, ... but i
did as a way of thanking all of them, ... including you, too, my sincere thanks
for the congratulations ...

congratulations paul!

i hope you will lead by example by taking a public transportation to your place of work everyday, especially your BRT system... if you cant do it..then i hope you connect MCIA with a monorail system. that would be awesome to people like me (who will be your future neighbor there:lol:) and one who rides public transport everyday to lapu city from talamban.

again congrats!

again, thanks, and yes, definitely i intend to use the BRT in going to work.
below is the proposed expanded network of the cebu-BRT, it's not even
complete yet, cause we're still studying the capitol-guadalupe-banawa-laba-
ngon loop, and the lahug loop. even you, eventually can use the BRT from
lapu city to talamban, most probably on a single ride, unlike the LRT which
as proposed, is limited to a SINGLE line from talisay to mandaue, can be
expected to be online by 2021 (even assuming it can get approval NOW which
it can't), and which in 4 past studies in the last 18 years never included a rail
link to lapu-lapu city and the airport.

so, if you really wish to ride jeepneys to the proposed LRT station near Butu-
anon bridge, ride the LRT to another station in the downtown area, then get
into another jeepney to talamban, instead of riding a BRT from lapu-lapu
city to talamban, it's your choice ... and you have all the rights to dream
about it. what i know, which you always doubted, is that the BRT FS will
start in the first quarter of 2011 and BRT roll-out will be in 2013 or 14, while
the LRT proposal has not moved a single inch for more than a year since it
was submitted.

sorry but i really have to go back to silent mode ... if you think its because i
am refusing to answer or i don't know, you're welcome to do that.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/zidlakan/CEBU-BRT/potentialfutureBRTnetwork.jpg

zidlakan

October 22nd, 2010, 04:48 PM

:) Congratulations Sir Paul! :cheers:

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/villarete-picked-mactan-airport-manager

hope you will retain some influence with Cebu BRT project while you are now the MCIAA GM, perhaps on advisory level at the very least.

thank you very much. i think the mayor has made some announcements which
will be in the papers tomorrow ...

I think Sir Zid will have a nice update anytime soon..
Hehe

WB offers grants to improve city traffic system (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=621713&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja/FPL (The Freeman) Updated October 17, 2010 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Cebu City welcomes three new projects proposed by the World Bank that all aims at improving the traffic system in the city at no cost to the government. ----> click for rest of story (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=621713&publicationSubCategoryId=107)

WB eyed to fund traffic monitoring project (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20101017-298185/WB-eyed-to-fund-traffic-monitoring-project)
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 08:06:00 10/17/2010

A US $300,000 grant will be issued by the World Bank (WB) for a project aimed at monitoring and regulating congestion in Cebu City.

Paul Villarete, Cebu City Planning and Development Office chief, said the project will be incorporated into the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) project being pursued by the city government. ----> click for rest of story (http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/news/view/20101017-298185/WB-eyed-to-fund-traffic-monitoring-project)

WB Earmarks $1 M for Rapid Transit Study (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/283704/wb-earmarks-1-m-rapid-transit-study)
October 22, 2010, 8:59pm

CEBU CITY (PNA) – The World Bank (WB) has agreed to make funds available for a "full-blown" feasibility study on the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) in this city. ----> click for rest of story (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/283704/wb-earmarks-1-m-rapid-transit-study)

boom_box

October 22nd, 2010, 06:50 PM

MatudNilaBaby

October 22nd, 2010, 07:18 PM

^^ Congrats sir Zidlakan...

One question.. Meron bang part sa BRT studies yung incentives or ridership program na pwede kang mag park ng bicycle, motorbike or vehicle tapos may discount ka na sa fare or free ride pag sasali ka sa program.

some brt buses have bicycle racks in front of the bus but i dont think if i have seen a motorbike on its rack.:lol::lol::lol:. duna gyud nay carpark area sa mga estasyonan to entice car owners to use the public transit system.

boom_box

October 22nd, 2010, 07:23 PM

some brt buses have bicycle racks in front of the bus but i dont think if i have seen a motorbike on its rack.:lol::lol::lol:. duna gyud nay carpark area sa mga estasyonan to entice car owners to use the public transit system.

LOL.. Grabe pud i angkas ang motorbike sa bus.. hasol kayo nah.. :nuts:

I hope naa nay untay possible lines sa Cebu na butangan ug BRT.

boom_box

October 23rd, 2010, 06:06 AM

I suggest you should read this detailed guide how BRT was successful while existing LRT system have been falling apart.

http://antipinoy.com/mediafiles/BRT-The-Complete-Guide-ITDP.pdf

a_terisk78y™

October 23rd, 2010, 07:05 AM

repost from cebu lrt thread by sir paul

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/zidlakan/CEBU-BRT/potentialfutureBRTnetwork.jpg[/QUOTE]

:banana:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 23rd, 2010, 07:21 AM

^^
WOW! uber uber uber coooooool!!!!! :banana::banana::banana:

boom_box

October 23rd, 2010, 07:43 AM

Maintag ma apil ang IT park sa potential na BRT route.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 23rd, 2010, 07:50 AM

^^
for sure sir maapil gyud na kay major business district biya ang AITP! basig phase 3 na na siya kay ang phase 1 is from Ayala to Bulacao then phase 2 would be from Ayala to Talamban.

archerfish

October 23rd, 2010, 07:56 AM

I suggest you should read this detailed guide how BRT was successful while existing LRT system have been falling apart.

http://antipinoy.com/mediafiles/BRT-The-Complete-Guide-ITDP.pdf

hmmn..do you really believe those documents? do you know who was behind the publication of those documents? well, the title should give you a hint!

just for fun.. can you pls. point a lrt system that is falling apart? because i can tell you which BRT line that just been replaced with a rail based system.

it is like this graph that was made by mercedez benz according to zidlakan..
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/cebu-BRT/BRTcourtesyofmercedezbenz03.jpg
i havent heard of any mercedez benz-made lrt system or coaches. BUT what i know is that they produce passenger and commercial buses. yes maybe they want to supply cebu with their buses!!so what do you think about the data they're showing in that graph that sir zidlakan proudly showed to us?

archerfish

October 23rd, 2010, 08:16 AM

zid..before you get busy with your new job..pls take a look at this one that i made...

i incorporated the future METRO CEBU LRT/MRT/monorail lines into your brt bus routes. see they complement each other..right?

LOVELY ISN'T IT?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5106284839_45a524cf6e_b.jpg

:banana::banana:

olineil

October 23rd, 2010, 06:32 PM

you wish ... he he ... and if you really believe i don't have the answer, or is
refusing to do so, i'll indulge you by not answering, so that you can claim either
one is true or even both. i hope that will make you happy then ... then you can
continue on the dream ...

other people knew why, don't even have to explain myself to them, ... but i
did as a way of thanking all of them, ... including you, too, my sincere thanks
for the congratulations ...

again, thanks, and yes, definitely i intend to use the BRT in going to work.
below is the proposed expanded network of the cebu-BRT, it's not even
complete yet, cause we're still studying the capitol-guadalupe-banawa-laba-
ngon loop, and the lahug loop. even you, eventually can use the BRT from
lapu city to talamban, most probably on a single ride, unlike the LRT which
as proposed, is limited to a SINGLE line from talisay to mandaue, can be
expected to be online by 2021 (even assuming it can get approval NOW which
it can't), and which in 4 past studies in the last 18 years never included a rail
link to lapu-lapu city and the airport.

so, if you really wish to ride jeepneys to the proposed LRT station near Butu-
anon bridge, ride the LRT to another station in the downtown area, then get
into another jeepney to talamban, instead of riding a BRT from lapu-lapu
city to talamban, it's your choice ... and you have all the rights to dream
about it. what i know, which you always doubted, is that the BRT FS will
start in the first quarter of 2011 and BRT roll-out will be in 2013 or 14, while
the LRT proposal has not moved a single inch for more than a year since it
was submitted.

sorry but i really have to go back to silent mode ... if you think its because i
am refusing to answer or i don't know, you're welcome to do that.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/zidlakan/CEBU-BRT/potentialfutureBRTnetwork.jpg

Sir Zid... i'll borrow this image for the facebook page. Thanks.

archerfish

October 24th, 2010, 02:20 AM

i think this one is better..integrating lrt/mrt/monorail with proposed bus routes.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5108499173_359cc28d66_b.jpg

archerfish

October 24th, 2010, 02:24 AM

i think this one is better olineil..integrating lrt/mrt/monorail with proposed bus routes.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5108499173_359cc28d66_b.jpg

MatudNilaBaby

October 24th, 2010, 03:17 AM

i think this one is better olineil..integrating lrt/mrt/monorail with proposed bus routes.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5108499173_359cc28d66_b.jpg

it should be integrated for it to be more effective. mcia should have a direct route to cpa, nra and srp instead of passing through mandaue. maybe a highway that uses cordova as a jump off point to cebu harber either by another hanging bridge or undersea tunnel.

boom_box

October 24th, 2010, 04:21 AM

hmmn..do you really believe those documents? do you know who was behind the publication of those documents? well, the title should give you a hint!

just for fun.. can you pls. point a lrt system that is falling apart? because i can tell you which BRT line that just been replaced with a rail based system.

it is like this graph that was made by mercedez benz according to zidlakan..
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz162/cebu-BRT/BRTcourtesyofmercedezbenz03.jpg
i havent heard of any mercedez benz-made lrt system or coaches. BUT what i know is that they produce passenger and commercial buses. yes maybe they want to supply cebu with their buses!!so what do you think about the data they're showing in that graph that sir zidlakan proudly showed to us?

I don't have to discuss how some of the LRT systems are not doing well. It's either you didn't read the link I gave to you. Even Manila's LRT and MRT was included in that guide.

ivanc

October 24th, 2010, 07:05 AM

nice to hear about the BRT developments.. cant wait for it to get implemented.

zidlakan

October 24th, 2010, 07:05 AM

hmmn..do you really believe those documents? do you know who was behind the publication of those documents? well, the title should give you a hint!

i havent heard of any mercedez benz-made lrt system or coaches. BUT what i know is that they produce passenger and commercial buses. yes maybe they want to supply cebu with their buses!!so what do you think about the data they're showing in that graph that sir zidlakan proudly showed to us?

it would have made sense if that graph is only one graph. the problem is, i
intentionally showed TWO graphs. that you only commented on one revealed
that you are not after facts but just want to argue. here are the facts: one
graph was from mercedes benz, a car maker and also of buses. the other
graph is made by SYSTRA. if you don't know SYSTRA, then you don't have
any business even talking about the LRT here. SYSTRA is one of the world's
leading expert in RAIL! there are very very few rail systems in the world
where SYSTRA is not involved one way or another.

so you're saying mercedes benz doctored their graph because they are selling
buses? how about SYSTRA, they doctored their graph, too? goodness gra-
cious, they're in the RAIL business. the fact that they publicly made the
presentation which showed the modal differences in capacity and cost espe-
cially the glaring advantage of the BRT over the LRT is the best proof of their
professionalism and integrity!

here's SYSTRA's website: http://www.systra.com/?lang=en are they a manu-
facturer of BRTs? :lol::lol::lol:

zid..before you get busy with your new job..pls take a look at this one that i made...

i incorporated the future METRO CEBU LRT/MRT/monorail lines into your brt bus routes. see they complement each other..right?

LOVELY ISN'T IT?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5106284839_45a524cf6e_b.jpg

:banana::banana:i think this one is better olineil..integrating lrt/mrt/monorail with proposed bus routes.

of course IT'S LOVELY! look at all the lines ... the colors! it's LOVELY, like
all those fancy mass transport systems you see in megacities all over the
world. if i am NOT from cebu, and i don't know how to add or subtract, i
would certainly see it might have been possible instead of ridiculous. but as
we often said, we can always dream, can't we ...

FACT: LRT-1 and LRT-2 in Metro Manila has daily ridership of around
450,000 and 250,000 ... in a megacity of 11.5 Million people. and even with
that ridership it is bloody losing money.

FACT: the AMA proposal suggested a ridership of 200,000 ...,
20 years from now, between Talisay and Mandaue, 95% of which are in Cebu
City. without a P2 Billion subsidy, it will also be bloody losing money.

FACT: here are the present (2007) population of Carcar and Danao:

Carcar: 104,678 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcar)

Danao: 109,534 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danao_City)

question: why would you build an LRT/MRT between Carcar and Danao when
it s capacity is DOUBLE the local population? what do we intend to do here -
the move the entire population daily????? and even that it will not fill half the
capacity!

you know, i sincerely agree that we should dream for the future - its the first
step in making the dream a reality ... to continue and persist in dreaming. but
i also believe we should dream on something with a certain degree of doabi-
lity, not on something akin to the song, "The Impossible Dream."

as to the "Monorail" to the airport, try to consult a transport engineer, prefe-
rably one well-versed in rail and ask him/her if that is POSSIBLE. Four (4)
full-blown Technical Studies since the 1990's never once mentioned going
across the Mactan Channel. doesn't that already give you a hint that it's not
even worth proposing?

ivanc

October 24th, 2010, 07:12 AM

same comment regarding monorail to airport... cebu's tourism and air passenger traffic is good, but not that good that it can sustain a monorail to airport.

ivanc

October 24th, 2010, 07:13 AM

its not...

Parchie

October 24th, 2010, 08:19 AM

. . . . . . . . . . . but as we often said, we can always dream, can't we ...

you know, i sincerely agree that we should dream for the future - its the first step in making the dream a reality ... to continue and persist in dreaming. but i also believe we should dream on something with a certain degree of doability, not on something akin to the song, "The Impossible Dream."
same comment regarding monorail to airport... cebu's tourism and air passenger traffic is good, but not that good that it can sustain a monorail to airport.

And if biggest problem is funding those beautiful dreams that we have discussed so far, can we have names on who can possibly take that exposure and agree to build those projects on a turn-key arrangement? (para wa gyu'y mahulbot gikan sa bulsa panudlanan sa LG units sa Cebu)

With all due respect to archerfish, do you have any idea who that person or entity is willing; to do it for us? Every iota of argument will be mote and academic if there is/are some people who will to shoulder the costs! Nobody can argue if a person (even bordering on insanity) will flood the project proponents with hard and bankable money, the projects get done, no questions asked!

If none, then we go back to planning and scheming which project is doable at this our state of finances! "Mosamot imong kakapoy ug ma-problema ka sa project details unya ma-problema pa gyud ug asa pangitaa ang kwarta nga i-gasto sa project!"

archerfish

October 25th, 2010, 12:51 AM

ha! ha! here we go again...

it would have made sense if that graph is only one graph. the problem is, i
intentionally showed TWO graphs. that you only commented on one revealed
that you are not after facts but just want to argue. here are the facts: one
graph was from mercedes benz, a car maker and also of buses. the other
graph is made by SYSTRA. if you don't know SYSTRA, then you don't have
any business even talking about the LRT here. SYSTRA is one of the world's
leading expert in RAIL! there are very very few rail systems in the world
where SYSTRA is not involved one way or another.

zid..but those 2 graphs doesnt show the same data..look at it yourself! THEY ARE NOT THE SAME! or even close to each other. if you check on that systra study..they only considered the EDSA lrt line back in 2006 pa! and we all know that EDSA line is f@ucked up because of wrong contract entered into by the government. worse, they werent even able to extend it to close the loop due to financial legalities attached to it. BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THE SYSTEM COULD NOT DELIVER ITS INTENDED CAPACITY!

look at manila's LRT line 1..is it short of delivering its capacity too?ask those in manila if it was better if a BRT system was on its place instead of LRT? tell DOTC that they have made a big mistake.:lol::lol:

so you're saying mercedes benz doctored their graph because they are selling...buses?

look at their graph again!!! lrt system could not even reach a 20,000(or is it 200,000?) capacity. go take the lrt line in EDSA or LRT line 1 and tell me if that graph is accurate.

BESIDES, the brt system that can carry that much passengers should be either in articulated or bi-articulated buses. im sure you know how long these vehicles are! how can you make these buses turn in narrower roads of cebu? maybe in balamban it might do!:lol::lol:

FACT: LRT-1 and LRT-2 in Metro Manila has daily ridership of around
450,000 and 250,000 ... in a megacity of 11.5 Million people. and even with
that ridership it is bloody losing money.

of course it is losing money because people dont want the fare to go up! you know that transit systems around the world are heavily subsidized by their governments, with a few exceptions of course. so why you keep on mentioning this? you've travelled to so many places already, didnt you even ask your friends there why the subsidy?

FACT: the AMA proposal suggested a ridership of 200,000 ...,
20 years from now, between Talisay and Mandaue, 95% of which are in Cebu
City. without a P2 Billion subsidy, it will also be bloody losing money.

FACT: here are the present (2007) population of Carcar and Danao:

Carcar: 104,678 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcar)

Danao: 109,534 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danao_City)

question: why would you build an LRT/MRT between Carcar and Danao when
it s capacity is DOUBLE the local population? what do we intend to do here -
the move the entire population daily????? and even that it will not fill half the
capacity!

well, then reduce the capacity. let the trains run every hour each way. or put 1 coach only per unit. or..there are many ways to deal with that undercapacity issue i guess!:lol:

what do we intend to do? i cant believe you ask this kind of question zid!!!
well, we want to put the right infrastructures so people will come and do business! and make cebu a more livable place.

as to the "Monorail" to the airport, try to consult a transport engineer, prefe-
rably one well-versed in rail and ask him/her if that is POSSIBLE. Four (4)
full-blown Technical Studies since the 1990's never once mentioned going
across the Mactan Channel. doesn't that already give you a hint that it's not
even worth proposing?

them is not us~! they are thinking old fashion ways..ha ha again i cant believe you made that statement..even me who is not an engineer, thinks it is possible! maybe they did not get their diploma sa talamban..

well, if i have time i will ask those engineers who built that long span bridge that connected san francisco to oakland city in california or how come sydney harbor bridge has trains running below its deck or..those swiss engineers who just connected switzerland to the rest of europe by rail just a few weeks ago.:lol::lol:

but that proposed monorail is not only going to the airport, it will also be stopping in lapu lapu city. verify the line again to see it for yourself. dont you think ordinary people, workers or maybe tourists might take the monorail too.

of course IT'S LOVELY! look at all the lines ... the colors! it's LOVELY, like
all those fancy mass transport systems you see in megacities all over the
world. if i am NOT from cebu, and i don't know how to add or subtract, i
would certainly see it might have been possible instead of ridiculous. but as
we often said, we can always dream, can't we ...

..why you have a negative impression of those mass transports system layouts?.. yes they make it fancy so people will be attracted to it, and in turn help them find their routes.. i think its called a first world thinking!

if you want i can draw it on pencil for you, sa grade 1 nga papel pa!:lol::lol:

so you didnt like the color red? ha! ha! but how come you use it in your signature too! verify below::lol::lol:

zidlakan, knight of jelme

again here it is..(dont sleep tonight without thinking about this)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5108499173_359cc28d66_b.jpg

PEACE zid!

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 01:30 AM

it would have made sense if that graph is only one graph. the problem is, i
intentionally showed TWO graphs. that you only commented on one revealed
that you are not after facts but just want to argue. here are the facts: one
graph was from mercedes benz, a car maker and also of buses. the other
graph is made by SYSTRA. if you don't know SYSTRA, then you don't have
any business even talking about the LRT here. SYSTRA is one of the world's
leading expert in RAIL! there are very very few rail systems in the world
where SYSTRA is not involved one way or another.

so you're saying mercedes benz doctored their graph because they are selling
buses? how about SYSTRA, they doctored their graph, too? goodness gra-
cious, they're in the RAIL business. the fact that they publicly made the
presentation which showed the modal differences in capacity and cost espe-
cially the glaring advantage of the BRT over the LRT is the best proof of their
professionalism and integrity!

here's SYSTRA's website: http://www.systra.com/?lang=en are they a manu-
facturer of BRTs? :lol::lol::lol:

of course IT'S LOVELY! look at all the lines ... the colors! it's LOVELY, like
all those fancy mass transport systems you see in megacities all over the
world. if i am NOT from cebu, and i don't know how to add or subtract, i
would certainly see it might have been possible instead of ridiculous. but as
we often said, we can always dream, can't we ...

FACT: LRT-1 and LRT-2 in Metro Manila has daily ridership of around
450,000 and 250,000 ... in a megacity of 11.5 Million people. and even with
that ridership it is bloody losing money.

FACT: the AMA proposal suggested a ridership of 200,000 ...,
20 years from now, between Talisay and Mandaue, 95% of which are in Cebu
City. without a P2 Billion subsidy, it will also be bloody losing money.

FACT: here are the present (2007) population of Carcar and Danao:

Carcar: 104,678 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcar)

Danao: 109,534 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danao_City)

question: why would you build an LRT/MRT between Carcar and Danao when
it s capacity is DOUBLE the local population? what do we intend to do here -
the move the entire population daily????? and even that it will not fill half the
capacity!

you know, i sincerely agree that we should dream for the future - its the first
step in making the dream a reality ... to continue and persist in dreaming. but
i also believe we should dream on something with a certain degree of doabi-
lity, not on something akin to the song, "The Impossible Dream."

as to the "Monorail" to the airport, try to consult a transport engineer, prefe-
rably one well-versed in rail and ask him/her if that is POSSIBLE. Four (4)
full-blown Technical Studies since the 1990's never once mentioned going
across the Mactan Channel. doesn't that already give you a hint that it's not
even worth proposing?

if youre taking into account the carcar and danao population only as the sole basis for the ridership of the future lrt/mrt/railway system, then the combined population will not meet the maximum capacity of the trains. but there are still many towns after carcar and danao and maybe people from other provinces coming from the north, east, west and south of the province. these two cities can be the starting point for these commuters to the metro cebu area.

PINOYmeat

October 25th, 2010, 02:35 AM

a monorail to mcia? why not a BRT? mandaue to mcia is just a short route.

swahi

October 25th, 2010, 04:15 AM

BRT na muna. BRT is taking the longest time to get it off the drawing boards, why make it more complicated by adding other mass transit systems?

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 05:19 AM

BRT na muna. BRT is taking the longest time to get it off the drawing boards, why make it more complicated by adding other mass transit systems?

eventually mao na siya ang mahitabo labi na si pnoy mora siya ug incline nga cebu should have a mass transit system to include brt and lrt/mrt/railway system kay he is looking not only what's good for cebu city but whats beneficial for the entire metro area and probably the province as a whole.

mora ang playing field ba dili plane kay ang cebu city is convincing other cities to adopt brt but when the other cities suggest nga kon puede pud dugangan ug lrt/mrt/railway system which is the right thing to do to make up a comprehensive mass transport system walay compromise si tom o. mora ug its either his way or the highway.

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 05:49 AM

eventually mao na siya ang mahitabo labi na si pnoy mora siya ug incline nga cebu should have a mass transit system to include brt and lrt/mrt/railway system kay he is looking not only what's good for cebu city but whats beneficial for the entire metro area and probably the province as a whole.

where did you get that idea? maybe i missed something he said. PNOY pre-
pared 80 major projects for his next 6 years in office, for public-private part-
nership (PPP) implementation. MCIAA expansion and the BRT are in the top
20. the cebu-LRT is not even part of the 80. i am privy to the DOTC discus-
sion on the matter - i am sure PNOY is NOT "inclined" to something found to
be NOT feasible by any indications. unless you have some info which i don't
have ...

mora ang playing field ba dili plane kay ang cebu city is convincing other cities to adopt brt but when the other cities suggest nga kon puede pud dugangan ug lrt/mrt/railway system which is the right thing to do to make up a comprehensive mass transport system walay compromise si tom o. mora ug its either his way or the highway.

strange you say that. tomas is mayor to ONE city. if the other 3 cities like
the LRT, then certainly its NOT a level playing field! - 3 against 1 ... and its
not true that the other cities are suggesting the LRT. i have official records
and official documents from both Mandaue and Lapu-lapu that they are inte-
rested and want to be part of the BRT. it's only Talisay which really wanted
the LRT ...

why blame tomas? he only requested studies for cebu city. it's mandaue and
lapu-lapu who passed resolutions asking that they be part of the system. and
he's no longer mayor, he's a congressman now ... of only HALF of the city.
there are other mayors (fernandez, cortez, radaza) and other congressmen -
gullas, del mar, quisumbing, radaza). if they want LRT, then it's NOT a level
playing field - even if we add rama, that's 2 against 7!

verily, verily, politics has nothing to do with it. even the garcias (1 governor
and 2 congressmen) are pro-LRT. but at the end of the day, what gets imple-
mented is the one that makes sense, the one with solid feasibility indicators,
the one which can pass the acid tests of DOTC, NEDA and the international
financing institutions.

but before anything else, please validate your statement. please post the link
to any official statement or news report where the other cities suggest nga
kon puede pud dugangan ug lrt/mrt/railway system. people might start
believing something which is not necessarily true ...

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 05:52 AM

if youre taking into account the carcar and danao population only as the sole basis for the ridership of the future lrt/mrt/railway system, then the combined population will not meet the maximum capacity of the trains. but there are still many towns after carcar and danao and maybe people from other provinces coming from the north, east, west and south of the province. these two cities can be the starting point for these commuters to the metro cebu area.

okay so what's the ridership like, then?

HALCROW (http://www.halcrow.com/) was paid millions of dollars in 1999, through
DEMCOR, to estimate the ridership and found it inadequate even with a 20-year period
planning horizon. if you know of another study or which shows that the ridership is
enough to warrant a rail system, please show it ... or at least post the link ...

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 06:57 AM

look at manila's LRT line 1..is it short of delivering its capacity too?ask those in manila if it was better if a BRT system was on its place instead of LRT? tell DOTC that they have made a big mistake.

look at their graph again!!! lrt system could not even reach a 20,000(or is it 200,000?) capacity. go take the lrt line in EDSA or LRT line 1 and tell me if that graph is accurate.

LRT line 1 is a metro. go back to the graph. it belongs to the metro/MRT
classification. even after 20 years, ridership is cebu could not reach a metro/
MRT capacity.

BESIDES, the brt system that can carry that much passengers should be either in articulated or bi-articulated buses. im sure you know how long these vehicles are! how can you make these buses turn in narrower roads of cebu? maybe in balamban it might do!

exactly! we are talking of cebu! even after 20 years, we may never reach that
point that we may need articulated buses, forget bi-articulated. in the next 20
years, we can't reach 15,000 pphpd. don't talk about metros here.

of course it is losing money because people dont want the fare to go up! you know that transit systems around the world are heavily subsidized by their governments, with a few exceptions of course. so why you keep on mentioning this? you've travelled to so many places already, didnt you even ask your friends there why the subsidy?

ah so you want the fares to go up to P60-70 per ride?

well, then reduce the capacity. let the trains run every hour each way. or put 1 coach only per unit. or..there are many ways to deal with that undercapacity issue i guess!

you guess? sorry my friend transport planning is not "guessing." not if you
are spending billions of pesos.

1 coach per train (if you can even call it a train - the last time i read, a train
is made of coaches connected together) every 1 hour? i can understand
under-capacity, but 2.77% under-capacity? you're going to spend US$32
Million to reach Carcar, to provide ONE (1) coach that leaves every hour?
even that is still under-capacity.

them is not us~! they are thinking old fashion ways..ha ha again i cant believe you made that statement..even me who is not an engineer, thinks it is possible! maybe they did not get their diploma sa talamban..

well, if i have time i will ask those engineers who built that long span bridge that connected san francisco to oakland city in california or how come sydney harbor bridge has trains running below its deck or..those swiss engineers who just connected switzerland to the rest of europe by rail just a few weeks ago.

but that proposed monorail is not only going to the airport, it will also be stopping in lapu lapu city. verify the line again to see it for yourself. dont you think ordinary people, workers or maybe tourists might take the monorail too.

okay, we'll wait for that. i have been asking you for some substantial facts
for more than a year now - links to studies or reports ... maybe this time, the
opinions of those engineers you ask (san francisco, oakland, sydney, and the
swiss) will give us a better idea how it can be done. but be sure to inform
then we're talking about cebu and mactan - the width of the channel, that it is
a navigable channel with a required vertical clearance, and also the cost of
the monorail and the bridge that you have build to carry it across. will wait
for that, okay? ...

..why you have a negative impression of those mass transports system layouts?.. yes they make it fancy so people will be attracted to it, and in turn help them find their routes.. i think its called a first world thinking!

negative impression? absolutely not! i posted one in the first place, remem-
ber? it was you who mangled it by adding lines to the one i posted, with links
which were already proven not to have the required ridership. oh i like mass
transport system layouts. but realistic ones, not those borne out of one's
imagination ... proof? give me a single technical study that shows what you
added is feasible! just ONE. we can wait ...

again here it is..(dont sleep tonight without thinking about this)

he he he don't worry. i can sleep. i have been thinking about your line drawn
for the longest of times. i was chief of infrastructure of NEDA 20 years ago
and was part of the first study made. i was a member of the regional project
monitoring committee (RPMC) which monitored the 2nd and 3rd LRT studies.
and for a very long time, i was advocating for the LRT project. ask gullas, we
were together in the Jefferies Study (3rd) in 1995. but after 3 studies of
heavily-subsidized systems, and deeply studying the BRT systems, i found the
latter the better and more economical option.

i do not need to think about it. i was the main technical proponent of the
cebu LRT in the 1990's. i probably know more about it than any technical
person in cebu, to the very details, both technical and economic.

PEACE zid!

peace, too. well, by tomorrow, i won't probably have any time anymore to
discuss more oftener here. he he he, have fun!

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 06:59 AM

okay so what's the ridership like, then?

HALCROW (http://www.halcrow.com/) was paid millions of dollars in 1999, through
DEMCOR, to estimate the ridership and found it inadequate even with a 20-year period
planning horizon. if you know of another study or which shows that the ridership is
enough to warrant a rail system, please show it ... or at least post the link ...

population wise its roughly about 2.5 million for the whole province excluding the 2 highly urbanized cities of cebu and mandaue per 2000 census. i bet we have added more people 10 years after and will be growing some more in the years to come. wikipedia puts the whole province to 3.5 million cebuanos.

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 07:27 AM

Neda Central Visayas said that of the four cities and six towns that will be affected by the mass-rail project, only Cebu City sent its formal stand on the project—unequivocally rejecting it.

source:http://cebubits.blogspot.com/2009/11/no-brt-lrt-showdown.html

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 07:30 AM

population wise its roughly about 2.5 million for the whole province excluding the 2 highly urbanized cities of cebu and mandaue per 2000 census. i bet we have added more people 10 years after and will be growing some more in the years to come. wikipedia puts the whole province to 3.5 million cebuanos.

right. but what is the area of the province? which relates to the length of the
rail lines you have to lay-out? mass transport systems are built based on rider-
ship figures. which is a function of density (that is, population per unit area)
and not of population alone. try to see this to get the picture on why viability
figures sharply drops when you get out of the city ...

densities:

Metro Manila: 18,093/sq. km. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila)

Cebu Province: 494.4/sq. km. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu)

really, it's easy to draw lines on paper and imagine what it would be like to
have those sleek and shiny super-fast EMUs speeding past you while tending
a farm in Carcar. but we have to put our feet on the ground and realize that
this is simply out of the question, ... even 20 years from now ...

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 07:47 AM

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 08:01 AM

right. but what is the area of the province? which relates to the length of the
rail lines you have to lay-out? mass transport systems are built based on rider-
ship figures. which is a function of density (that is, population per unit area)
and not of population alone. try to see this to get the picture on why viability
figures sharply drops when you get out of the city ...

densities:

Metro Manila: 18,093/sq. km. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila)

Cebu Province: 494.4/sq. km. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu)

really, it's easy to draw lines on paper and imagine what it would be like to
have those sleek and shiny super-fast EMUs speeding past you while tending
a farm in Carcar. but we have to put our feet on the ground and realize that
this is simply out of the question, ... even 20 years from now ...

cebu's comprehensive mass transit system (brt/lrt/mrt/monorail/railway) should not be based on what manila is doing. population wise we cannot compete with them and we dont want to be like them either, but as far as the transportation needs of the cebuanos is concern we share the same sentiments as people in mm labi na atong walay kaugalingon sakyanan. im sure daghan kaayo mga estudyante mga negosyante or empleyados nga nagtrabaho sa metro area nga gusto mo uli sa ilang lungsod kad gabii but because our mode of transportation is so limited to jeepneys and buses only, theyre force to rent and live in the city.

government and business leaders alike endorsed lrt/mrt to complement with brt because they see it as a competitive advantage for cebu in the years to come. we lose our competitive edge over other provinces when our infrastructure especially transportation is not at par with ncr or other global cities.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 25th, 2010, 08:09 AM

^^
me too. never heard that other cities endorsed or either rejected anything. only cebu city made a stand. IMO lang ha, its like other cities and towns are looking at Cebu City man gud, well except for Talisay :bash: that whatever Cebu City wants to have, gusto na lang pud sila magpaapil total it would also benefit them.

there is no problem with Gullas' LRT, provided that it won't pass by Cebu City which is plain stupidity coz ironically, among all towns and cities in Metro Cebu, Cebu City is the ONE MAJOR PIECE of the Gullas' LRT puzzle to be complete. without Cebu City, Gullas LRT won't materialize even though how other cities wanted it too! ;)

I am also a talisaynon, and i don't like Gullas doing in the city esp. his puppet goons like Fernandez. for sure, once BRT would be up and running in Cebu City, talisaynons would definitely rally against gullas and let BRT pass by Talisay as well because no matter what he wants, Talisay is not as influential and powerful as Cebu City is especially that half or majority of the city's population works in Cebu City, Mandaue City, Lapu-Lapu City, etc.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 25th, 2010, 08:28 AM

IMO, LRT can wait and should wait. :)

MatudNilaBaby

October 25th, 2010, 08:38 AM

^^

4 cities and 6 towns ....

only cebu city sent its formal stand unequivocally rejected it.

it means cebu city sent a resolution rejecting it. the other 3 cities and 6 towns
DID NOT send resolutions ENDORSING it or REJECTING it. so where did you
find the idea that the others suggested nga kon puede pud dugangan ug
lrt/mrt/railway system?

on the other hand, i have copies of the resolutions of Mandaue City and Lapu-
lapu City, endorsing their interest to be part of the BRT? i was just confused
by your statement that the "the other cities suggest nga kon puede pud
dugangan ug lrt/mrt/railway system" because i am closely monitoring their
positions on these - as it may affect our discussions with DOTC, NEDA, and
the World Bank. so i would like to get your answer on where you got this?
thank you.

i might have said it my own words hearing from the recommendations from lrt/mrt proponents and cebu's prominent business leaders. but the gist of the matter is that there is a growing sentiment to have an integrated brt/lrt/mrt or railway system for metro cebu and hopefully for the whole province.

daan bantayan mayor did give her take on the cebu mass transit system despite her town being so far from the metro area but she thinks her people will greatly benefit from it nga daghan na ta kasakyan sa mga tao kay lisud gyud ug jeep ug buses ang atong gamiton for long distance travel.

hybridace101

October 25th, 2010, 12:48 PM

Why is Cebu City against it despite the lower construction and operating costs?

zidlakan

October 25th, 2010, 12:54 PM

Why is Cebu City against it despite the lower construction and operating costs?

just a clarification. cebu city rejected the cebu LRT/MRT project. but it is
implementing the cebu BRT project.

boom_box

October 25th, 2010, 03:30 PM

IMO, LRT can wait and should wait. :)

+1

Gasto palang per kilometer dili na gyud siya feasible. Case example lang daan ang sa Manila na LRT/MRT... heavily subsidized yet naa na sa crushing capacity no wonder sardinas tanan pasahero lugi lang japun labi na sa MRT. :lol:

IMO, Compare sa BRT pwede raka mag start og feeder then mainline trunk then spread ang route network aron dili dali ma puno ang capacity. Feeder services could either be those jeepneys or pedicab sa mga residential areas then wala nay jeepney routes para sa mga lagyo na byahe.

Daizuke

October 26th, 2010, 07:26 AM

^^ CEBU BRT FTW!!

zidlakan

October 26th, 2010, 12:25 PM

well, personally, i'm just very happy PNOY included the cebu BRT in his top 16
priority projects for PPP in his administration.

BRT, MCIAA development among P.Noy's top projects (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=624372&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja (The Freeman)
October 26, 2010

CEBU, Philippines – The Cebu Bus Rapid Transit and the Mactan-Cebu International Airport Authority (MCIAA) Development Project are among the top 16 projects under the Public-Private Partnership (PPP) of President Benigno Aquino.

Aquino has identified 33 projects for the PPP which will cost about P314.34 billion.

Of the amount, the MCIAA development project gets a share of P8.03 billion while the cost for the mass transport system is still being determined.

Nigel Paul Villarete, Cebu City Planning and Development coordinator and newly appointed general manager of the MCIAA, said that a better airport, not only in terms of management but also in infrastructures, is underway in the next three to five years.

The development project includes redevelopment or upgrading of passenger terminal building and other essential facilities to cater international and domestic airline passengers' demand. It also eyes a new cargo terminal.

The creation of a master plan for the MCIAA started earlier this quarter. It is funded by the Korean International Cooperation Agency (KOICA). According to Villarete, this will proceed to a feasibility study, which will validate the project's scope, cost and structure.

The expected date of bidding and tendering is on 2012.

Under the PPP, the Cebu BRT is part of a bigger Department of Transportation and Communications Project called the Urban Transport Program for Highly Urbanized Cities or Road-based Mass Transport System.

Aside from Cebu, UTP includes BRT in Manila and the Sustainable Urban Transport eyed for Davao.

"The proposed urban transport project is envisaged to focus on integrating transport systems to land use and street network to promote "walkable" cities and greater mobility, access and safety, promoting greater use of public transport modes and expanding non-motorized transport to lessen vehicle emissions, and improving traffic management and enforcement," Villarete said.

He added that the Cebu BRT infrastructure is proposed to be funded under Official Development Assistance (ODA) through the World Bank's Clean Technology Fund (CTF).

The actual implementation of the BRT for both Cebu and Manila is estimated to cost US$350 million, US$250 million of which will come from the WB, US$50 million from the CTF and US$50 from the national government.

WB also committed to give US$1 million for the full blown feasibility study that is expected to start on the first quarter of 2011. The services and operations will be supported by the Private Sector.

"The Cebu portion, initially is only US$115 for the infrastructure, but we are still discussing with the world bank the inclusion of the Mandaue link per their official request. I hope we can include it since the budget is still available. It seems that Manila BRT has yet to look for funds for its own FS," Villarete said.

During the actual implementation, private sector participation will also come in the operations of the system itself, including the vehicles, the operations and maintenance, the ticketing system, the scheduling system and other electronic and technical systems, he added.

The proposed Light Rail Transit of Cebu first district Representative Eduardo Gullas is apparently out of the picture.

"No problem with proposals, they come and go. There had been many submitted in the last 20 years, but whether these are feasible by NEDA and international standards is another issue. I'm just an engineer. For me, there is no way that two mass transport projects can share the same ridership [sic]. No matter how they justify it, the data would speak for itself," Villarete said. (FREEMAN)

alcogoodwin

October 27th, 2010, 01:26 AM

i think this one is better..integrating lrt/mrt/monorail with proposed bus routes.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4113/5108499173_359cc28d66_b.jpg

I am curious as to why a monorail and not an LRT branching off the main trunk route and allowing inter-operation?

Sleepwalker

October 27th, 2010, 04:05 AM

Eng'r. and Cebu City Councilor Nestor Archival will now be heading the BRT project. Sir Zid will be moving to his new challenge - the Mactan-Cebu Airport...:cheers:

Hmmmm, I wonder if we still can have discussion like this about BRT with someone directly connected... :)

zidlakan

October 27th, 2010, 06:57 AM

Parchie

October 27th, 2010, 08:36 AM

boom_box

October 27th, 2010, 03:59 PM

I am curious as to why a monorail and not an LRT branching off the main trunk route and allowing inter-operation?

Yeah, it would be totally disadvantage putting a new line.

Anyway, Rail Transport is not yet in the priority as of now in Cebu even putting its rail yard shed is also another problem. (Rail yard does consume a lot of land)

But if they decided to built one in the future I'm sure it you'll add it on list. :)

archerfish

October 27th, 2010, 07:33 PM

zidlakan: "LRT line 1 is a metro. go back to the graph. it belongs to the metro/MRT
classification. even after 20 years, ridership is cebu could not reach a metro/
MRT capacity."..

WHAT? ha ha! im confused already!... are you sure zid?..

maybe we should petition the government as to why they call it Light Rail Transit line when according to this fine gentleman from cebu it is indeed a METRO RAIL LINE! :lol::lol:

paging LRTA or DOTC!!.. pls. take note of your mistake ha! ha!..

zid you remind me about a tagalog saying that goes like this:

Pag AYAW, maraming palusot!, Pag GUSTO, maraming paraan!"

zidlakan

October 28th, 2010, 02:25 AM

WHAT? ha ha! im confused already!... are you sure zid?..

maybe we should petition the government as to why they call it Light Rail Transit line when according to this fine gentleman from cebu it is indeed a METRO RAIL LINE! :lol::lol:

paging LRTA or DOTC!!.. pls. take note of your mistake ha! ha!..

zid you remind me about a tagalog saying that goes like this:

Pag AYAW, maraming palusot!, Pag GUSTO, maraming paraan!"

ah yes, i am absolutely sure. in contrast to you, who is confused ...

for the reference of the other readers, here are the reference links on the matter:

Manila Light Rail Transit System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Light_Rail_Transit_System) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Light_Rail_Transit_System

The Manila Light Rail Transit System, popularly known as the LRT, is a metropolitan rail system serving the Metro Manila area in the Philippines. Although referred to as a light rail system because it originally used light rail vehicles, it has many characteristics of a rapid transit (metro) system ...

Manila LRT Yellow Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_LRT_Yellow_Line) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_LRT_Yellow_Line

The Manila LRT Yellow Line is the first metro line of the Manila Light Rail Transit System.

@archerfish, as i said, i am sure about what i said and what i post, and i can
show you the reference links to support these. though the distinction between
the rail system is not exact, LRTs are generally classified as those with 2,000
to 20,000 pphpd, more or less, while anything above 25,000/30,000 pphpd
are considered rapid transits/metros/subways ...

that's why i have asked you to support your assertions with facts and studies
through links a year ago, so that you could go beyond merely saying, "ha ha"
to argue your case, and going personal instead of sticking to the issues.

anyways, the readers here are not that stupid as not being able to distinguish
which posts are solidly based on facts, and which are mere products of the
imagination. as we agreed, there's nothing wrong with dreams but when
dreams are used to argue facts, well ... it's up to the readers to decide whom
to believe.

guess i have to say adieu for a while, will be busy in the succeeding weeks ...

The Rebel Prince

October 28th, 2010, 08:03 AM

By Gregg M. Rubio and Vanessa A. Balbuena (The Freeman) Updated October 28, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (0)

CEBU, Philippines – Cebu City South District Rep. Tomas R. Osmeña believes that the call for a meeting with urban planners to discuss the proposed Light Railway Transit project in Metro Cebu is premature.

Osmeña said that they are now in the process of a full-blown feasibility study. According to him, any discussion on the matter should be done after the feasibility study shall have been done.

"There are two stages. First, you have the pre-feasibility study, which is already done. That's just a rough estimate. Is it doable? Not doable? What are the major obstacles? A feasibility study is the full-blown stage. It's detailed engineering already. How much does it cost? How many cubic meters of sand and gravel? What's the intricate design? After the feasibility study is done, we make a final assessment. That's the time to talk. Right now, there's nothing to talk about," Osmeña told the Freeman.

He added that to presume that they know better than what would be the outcome of the feasibility study, by meeting ahead even before it is completed, is something that he could not go along.

Cebu 1st District Rep. Eduardo R. Gullas, who proposed a meeting with the city officials and the urban planners, said he does not question the idea of his colleague.

He refused to comment on Osmeña's claim that meeting with urban planners at this stage is premature. Gullas instead opted to clarify that his proposed LRT project and the Bus Rapid Transit System of Osmeña can "co-exist" and complement each other.

Osmeña earlier said he is not interested meeting with urban planners to discuss the LRT as he is for BRT. Gullas believes that that LRT is ideal for Metro Cebu.

World Bank consultants have already released results of a pre-feasibility study that showed that the BRT is feasible for implementation in the city.

The pre-feasibility study that was conducted from October last year to May this year shows that a BRT in the main corridor of the city is feasible technically, financially and physically.

Gullas, proposal on the other hand, is a three-phase LRT project in Metro Cebu.

Gullas explained that his proposed phase-1 of the project is for the LRT to operate from Talisay City to Mandaue City.

The next phase shall be from Talisay City to the southern town of Dalaguete.

The third phase of the LRT project shall be from Mandaue up to Carmen in northern Cebu.

But Gullas' LRT project can't be implemented without the approval of the Cebu City officials as it will pass through the city.

Some Cebu City officials are not supporting the LRT because they observed that in Manila the elevated railway system have made the place look ugly.

The officials of Lapu-Lapu City and Mandaue City have also expressed more interest in the BRT, which they said is much cheaper. Only Talisay City, a known Gullas bailiwick, is in favor of the LRT.

"There are two stages. First, you have the pre-feasibility study, which is already done. That's just a rough estimate. Is it doable? Not doable? What are the major obstacles? A feasibility study is the full-blown stage. It's detailed engineering already. How much does it cost? How many cubic meters of sand and gravel? What's the intricate design? After the feasibility study is done, we make a final assessment. That's the time to talk. Right now, there's nothing to talk about," Osmeña told the Freeman.

He added that to presume that they know better than what would be the outcome of the feasibility study, by meeting ahead even before it is completed, is something that he could not go along.

Cebu 1st District Rep. Eduardo R. Gullas, who proposed a meeting with the city officials and the urban planners, said he does not question the idea of his colleague.

He refused to comment on Osmeña's claim that meeting with urban planners at this stage is premature. Gullas instead opted to clarify that his proposed LRT project and the Bus Rapid Transit System of Osmeña can "co-exist" and complement each other.

Osmeña earlier said he is not interested meeting with urban planners to discuss the LRT as he is for BRT. Gullas believes that that LRT is ideal for Metro Cebu.

World Bank consultants have already released results of a pre-feasibility study that showed that the BRT is feasible for implementation in the city.

The pre-feasibility study that was conducted from October last year to May this year shows that a BRT in the main corridor of the city is feasible technically, financially and physically.

Gullas, proposal on the other hand, is a three-phase LRT project in Metro Cebu.

Gullas explained that his proposed phase-1 of the project is for the LRT to operate from Talisay City to Mandaue City.

The next phase shall be from Talisay City to the southern town of Dalaguete.

The third phase of the LRT project shall be from Mandaue up to Carmen in northern Cebu.

But Gullas' LRT project can't be implemented without the approval of the Cebu City officials as it will pass through the city.

Some Cebu City officials are not supporting the LRT because they observed that in Manila the elevated railway system have made the place look ugly.

The officials of Lapu-Lapu City and Mandaue City have also expressed more interest in the BRT, which they said is much cheaper. Only Talisay City, a known Gullas bailiwick, is in favor of the LRT.

The relationship between Osmeña and Gullas turned sour when the latter claimed a portion of the South Reclamation Project while he was yet Mayor of Talisay City contending that part of the SRP belongs to their territory. - /FPL (FREEMAN)

bakasaurus

October 28th, 2010, 10:08 AM

bulabog jalaur

October 28th, 2010, 10:54 AM

^^Development has it due course.If BRT is more feasible then go on! rather if we rushed for LRT then we must looked first the consequences and effect.The government is in short of funding in which if we force it we may end like mrt 3 (EDSA) with cost cutting quality of implementation.:ohno::ohno:

swahi

October 28th, 2010, 04:03 PM

if i remember correctly, maybe it was paul who lamented a problem with the ongoing flyover construction at mambaling on its design that doesnt consider either BRT or LRT in the future. Places like this area are congested. Its going to be very expensive to expropriate the surrounding properties to incorporate such mass transit systems. And the longer the project's actual implementation will be, the more development will occur and with it, less available open spaces.

Sleepwalker

October 29th, 2010, 04:28 AM

Big Tom O. speaks....

Tomas wants Villarete to stay with BRT project (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=625212&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja/JPM (The Freeman) Updated October 29, 2010 12:00 AM Comments (1)

CEBU, Philippines – Cebu City south district Representative Tomas Osmeña wants newly installed Mactan Cebu International Airport General Manager Nigel Paul Villarete to remain on top of the Bus Rapid Transit project of the city government even if he is no longer the city's planning and development head.

Osmeña explains that the realization of the BRT that they have been pursuing for more than a decade already needs continuity otherwise all their efforts might go to waste.

Osmeña has no objections to Mayor Michael Rama's appointment of Nestor Archival around to take charge of the project but he said Villarete is most capable because of his familiarity with the system.

"BRT needs continuity. You cannot just finish it just like that because it requires several disciplines, you have to understand the system itself," Osmeña said.

Villarete said helping the city with the BRT will not take much of his time and will not in any way compromise his new job.

"These are things that do not require time and physical effort. It's all in the mind. These are planning thing, coordinating thing. And I don't need any position to help, I don't think the city can hire me under the civil service rules. What we need is help, contribution, coordination," Villarete said.

Osmeña said that Villarete's appointment is a challenge to the latter especially on how to make the airport better in terms of infrastructure and facilities and systems management.

"The Airport has been used as a milking cow. They cannot even finish the administration building and there are too many employees. They make you pay P200 terminal fee if you want to fly domestic and P500 if you want to fly international yet they don't give you even a glass of water? And it's dirty. Much can be done to the airport," Osmeña said. (FREEMAN)

TagaCebu II

October 29th, 2010, 08:05 AM

If you put in the Bus,
Make sure you know how to get rid of them
When every Cebuano whose wishes coming to own a car will grow
Which would SURELY repeat what Manila can't.

archerfish

October 30th, 2010, 06:16 AM

ah yes, i am absolutely sure. in contrast to you, who is confused ...

for the reference of the other readers, here are the reference links on the matter:

Manila Light Rail Transit System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Light_Rail_Transit_System) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Light_Rail_Transit_System

The Manila Light Rail Transit System, popularly known as the LRT, is a metropolitan rail system serving the Metro Manila area in the Philippines. Although referred to as a light rail system because it originally used light rail vehicles, it has many characteristics of a rapid transit (metro) system ...

Manila LRT Yellow Line (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_LRT_Yellow_Line) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_LRT_Yellow_Line
The Manila LRT Yellow Line is the first metro line of the Manila Light Rail Transit System.

@archerfish, as i said, i am sure about what i said and what i post, and i can
show you the reference links to support these. though the distinction between
the rail system is not exact, LRTs are generally classified as those with 2,000
to 20,000 pphpd, more or less, while anything above 25,000/30,000 pphpd
are considered rapid transits/metros/subways ...

that's why i have asked you to support your assertions with facts and studies
through links a year ago, so that you could go beyond merely saying, "ha ha"
to argue your case, and going personal instead of sticking to the issues.

...

even 4th yr high school students from abellana wont qoute Wikipedia as a source for their term papers.. it is not only unreliable but inaacurate as well. just my two cents...

how about the EDSA LRT line? is that a metro too?:lol::lol: pls tell me if its capacity is less than 20,000 too.

i did present you with facts before. cant you remember? unfortunately its already archived here...it's too tiring to dig them again.

im just puzzled on why is it that you and your boss (mr. osmena) wont accept the very concept of integrating a rail based mass tranportation system in METRO CEBU!.. im not a big fan of gullas, but why cant you make a compromise for the greater good of cebuanos?

BCD_Paul

October 30th, 2010, 06:37 AM

If BRT pushes through then it would be a great. I also would like to see a train running through cebu but for now it would be totally impractical. It was like during the Marcos times that we got ahead of ourselves and invested a lot on infrastructure only to be burdened by debt. I say, built what we can realistically afford rather than dreaming on a shiny unicorn that would take us anywhere. It is like this, you have money, say 800,000, to buy a car, would you buy a toyota innova and or a shiny new ferrari only to incur debts so that you can show it off. Then take into account that you are only a bank teller, earning just enough for your needs, would you still on insisting on buying a ferrari? I think the BRT is just appropriate for Cebu, just BRT for now. I think that is what this project is all about. We are dreaming of something to be implemented only to find out we do not have the money or the capacity for it to work and be useful enough that there would be a return on investments. I for one don't like the idea that you get your shiny new ferrari and i get to also pay for it with taxes. No way, we had been screwed already with that MRT/LRT in Manila were people there have the nerve to complain not to increase the fare. While we here subsidize that. That is just sad. Unless Cebu's population increases that of Metro Manila then I guess an LRT/MRT would be fine but I dread the day would come that Cebu would be like Manila. Gone is the glory days of Manila. I think Daniel Burnham would have burned Manila if he sees it right now.

archerfish

October 30th, 2010, 06:39 AM

i know you are busy zid. and just like me this is just my past time with passion for a twist.

but before you get so busy with your other job pls. consider this new lay out.. i've added a few more stations that would help serve those who arrive/depart by ships to the various shipping piers in cebu. in that way METRO CEBU transport system is not only connected by air but also by those coming from the seaports as well.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_e8dc934ae2_b.jpg

take note of this and keep it close to your heart...:cheers: consider this as my pabaon for you!:):)

archerfish

October 30th, 2010, 06:52 AM

^^
BCD_Paul:

If BRT pushes through then it would be a great. I also would like to see a train running through cebu but for now it would be totally impractical. It was like during the Marcos times that we got ahead of ourselves and invested a lot on infrastructure only to be burdened by debt. I say, built what we can realistically afford rather than dreaming on a shiny unicorn that would take us anywhere. It is like this, you have money, say 800,000, to buy a car, would you buy a toyota innova and or a shiny new ferrari only to incur debts so that you can show it off. Then take into account that you are only a bank teller, earning just enough for your needs, would you still on insisting on buying a ferrari? I think the BRT is just appropriate for Cebu, just BRT for now. I think that is what this project is all about. We are dreaming of something to be implemented only to find out we do not have the money or the capacity for it to work and be useful enough that there would be a return on investments. I for one don't like the idea that you get your shiny new ferrari and i get to also pay for it with taxes. No way, we had been screwed already with that MRT/LRT in Manila were people there have the nerve to complain not to increase the fare. While we here subsidize that. That is just sad. Unless Cebu's population increases that of Metro Manila then I guess an LRT/MRT would be fine but I dread the day would come that Cebu would be like Manila. Gone is the glory days of Manila. I think Daniel Burnham would have burned Manila if he sees it right now.

boom_box

October 30th, 2010, 06:31 PM

Railway dapit sa Pier? Grabe ka hasol.. Geez no thanks..

palawan_buddy

October 30th, 2010, 07:02 PM

@zidlakan. I would like to commend you for your patience in answering posts and the efforts in explaining the project.

MatudNilaBaby

October 30th, 2010, 08:50 PM

Railway dapit sa Pier? Grabe ka hasol.. Geez no thanks..

thats the only place nga dagko2x pa ang dalan nga puede pa ma widen kay dili pa kaayo congested

swahi

October 31st, 2010, 02:42 AM

Hahaha! Way to go Paul! I would have like to know what Gullas has to say!

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=625911&publicationSubCategoryId=107

CEBU, Philippines - Cebu
City Mayor Michael Rama said that he might allow the proposed Light Rail Transit to traverse the city although with a major “but”.

“It’s okay as long as it will not traverse the major thoroughfares of the city because I don’t want the historical beauty of the city to be destroyed as well as the beauty of the sky to be blocked from our sight. Okay ra kung adto muagi sa bukid,” Rama said.

But putting it in the mountains is tantamount to saying that there is no way LRT will be feasible in the city, said Nigel Paul Villarete, former City Planning and Development coordinator and now general manager of the Mactan Cebu International Airport.

“No, it’s not feasible. Wala’y pasahero sa bukid,” Villarete said.

Congressman for Cebu City south district Tomas Osmeña said that he cannot make any decision on the idea until the feasibility study of the Bus Rapid Transit, which he favors over the other, is out.

“An LRT system from Cebu City to Balamban is interesting however as this will spur the development of the mountain barangays and the other side of Cebu province,” Osmeña said.

Cebu first district Rep. Eduardo Gullas, the proponent for the LRT, was not available for comment yesterday.

Villarete reiterated his position that two mass transport systems sharing the same ridership in the city will not work.

He said he even does not understand why there are people who try hard to keep the issue alive while the proposal for an LRT here was rejected by four feasibility studies 10 years ago.

“Why do they have to insist when it was clear in all four feasibility studies that it is not feasible in Cebu?” Villarete said.

As early as 1992, a Pre-Feasibility Study for a Metro Cebu Mass Transport System funded by the province and done by Schema Konsult, Inc. showed result that Cebu is not for LRT.

The pre-feasibility study done by World Bank consultants which was presented in the middle of this year showed that BRT is feasible in Cebu City including Mandaue and Lapu-Lapu.

Another study for the feasibility of LRT in Cebu was conducted in 1995. The Pre-Investment Study proposed and conducted by Jefferies of the US and funded by USAID was not even completed when Jefferies realized along the way that LRT is not feasible for Cebu.

In 1999, there was the feasibility study for Cebu Light Rail Transit Project (NEDA Project ID No. 575), proposed under the Central Visayas Development Project and done by Development and Management Corporation and Cebu Engineering Development Company.

It was proposed for funding under Official Development Assistance through Overseas Economic Cooperation Fund now the Japan Bank for International Cooperation.

But Villarete said it has never reached JBIC because it was not approved by the National Economic and Development Authority Board.

“What I can’t understand is why we insist on a system where a Cebuano walks more than half a kilometer to an LRT station, then climb up the stairs instead of just strolling about 200 meters to a BRT station and climbing a few steps,” he said.

Aside from the fact that feasibility studies rejected the project before, he said that there is no way it can be implemented without the nod of the mayor and the city council.

“The Local Government Code of 1991 (RA7160) declares under Chapter III, Article I, Section 25-b that national agencies and offices with project implementation functions shall coordinate with one another and with the local government units concerned in the discharge of these functions, and that they shall ensure the participation of local government units both in the planning and implementation of said national projects,” Osmeña earlier said in his letter to the Regional Development Council.

Villarete said that the city has already issued its stand objecting to the Cebu LRT project in a letter to both the Department of Transportation and Communications and NEDA in October last year.

In November 4 of the same year, the city council passed Resolution No. 09-1154, declaring its objections to the project. —

boom_box

October 31st, 2010, 03:38 AM

^^ owned... :lol:

archerfish

November 1st, 2010, 07:00 AM

from ManilaToday Standard News:

San Miguel closes MRT-7 deal
by Jenniffer B. Austria

SAN Miguel Corp. is acquiring a 51-percent interest in Universal LRT Corp., the company that owns the right to develop the $1.2-billion Metro Rail Transit Line 7 project that will run from North Avenue in Quezon City to San Jose del Monte, Bulacan.

In a disclosure, San Miguel said its wholly-owned subsidiary San Miguel Holdings Corp. signed a share sale and purchase agreement with Universal LRT Corp., a company owned by the group of businessman Salvador Zamora II.

“Under the terms of the agreement, San Miguel shall acquire 51-percent equity interest in Universal LRT Corp (BVI) Limited, which holds the exclusive right, obligation and privilege to finance, design, construct, supply, complete and commission the Metro Rail Transit Phase 7 project,” San Miguel said.

Closing of the agreement, however, is still subject to certain conditions.

Zamora bought majority control of the Universal LRT consortium in 2008 from Israeli businessman Eli Levin, the rail project’s original proponent.

Universal LRT consortium comprises 12 companies, with Zamora owning 63 percent of the group.

Under the plan, MRT 7 will have 14 stations traversing North Avenue, Elliptical Road, Commonwealth Avenue, Quirino Avenue, and San Jose del Monte.

Universal LRT earlier awarded to DM Consunji Inc.—a wholly-owned subsidiary of DMCI Holdings Inc.—and Japan’s Marubeni Corp. the contract for the engineering, procurement, construction, and commissioning of the MRT-7 project.

This infrastructure project is expected to further address the transportation needs of the riding public and alleviate traffic in Metro Manila, particularly going to and coming from Northern Luzon.

Aside from the MRT-7, San Miguel said it was in talks to buy 67 percent of Ausphil Tollways Corp., the main proponent of the 22-kilometer North Luzon East Expressway that will connect Metro Manila with the Northeast Luzon region.

San Miguel is also exploring a possible investment in a light rail transit project in Cebu, and similar projects in Cagayan de Oro, Davao and Iloilo.

The conglomerate is also interested in building a bullet train railway that will run the Laoag-Manila-Bicol route.

San Miguel, which has been diversifying into heavy industry, also wants to expand its presence in the infrastructure and power sectors by bidding for the government’s Public-Private Partnership projects and power assets that will be put on the auction bloc.

:banana::banana:

olineil

November 1st, 2010, 07:33 PM

source: (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20101031-300804/Whats-fair-for-the-MRT-fare)
By Dennis M. Arroyo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:14:00 10/31/2010

Filed Under: Transport, Consumer Issues, Government

THIS ISSUE is personal. I am a frequent rider of the Metro Rail Transit (MRT), one used to its congestion. The crush of the train crowd is overwhelming during morning rush hour. Some people try to force their way through, holding the doors open. I fear for the wear and tear of the doors—there have been cases when the sheer pressure jammed them.

One Saturday afternoon I expected crowd density to be lower than that of the weekday commute. But no, the crowd was too thick, so I couldn’t enter the cabin. I let the train pass. Another came, but squeezing through the doors was impossible. I tried a third train, but to no avail. Finally I exited the turnstile and decided to use the bus.

The MRT was not always a can of sardines. When it opened on December 15, 1999, riders paying more than P30 each came by the handful. In a publicity stunt, they got models to ride the MRT for a photo shoot, but that didn’t increase volume.

There was some improvement when the line was extended from Buendia to Taft Avenue. The fare was also brought down to P20. Formerly, passengers had to climb the stairs, but many stations have added escalators and elevators. Then the fare was lowered further to a maximum of P15. These factors have all pulled up ridership. By 2004, the train ferried 400,000 commuters per day.

But there’s the rub. The government did not adjust MRT fares regularly to keep up with inflation. The maximum remained at P15 for years and that meant the ride kept getting cheaper and cheaper in real terms. The crowds thus got thicker and thicker. The MRT was designed to carry 350,000 passengers per day. It is now at peak capacity, ferrying between 414,000 to 500,000.

The long queue time at the station, and the delay in waiting for a train that is not totally full, adds to MRT trip time.

Another distortion comes from the refusal to charge reasonable rates. It is actually cheaper to ride the MRT than to take the bus. It should be the other way around: pay more for speed. Hence, the buses below are less than half-filled. They also waste a lot of time waiting for passengers.

Today a commuter is charged from P10 for the first three stations to P15 for the entire line, for an average of P 12.50 per ride. Ruzette Morales-Mariano, consultant of the Philippine Institute for Development Studies (PIDS) calculates the subsidy at P47.50 per ride as of 2006.

That means if the commuter paid for the actual cost—no subsidy—his ticket should be P60. And that was in 2006. Assuming that amount for December 2006, I plug in the recent inflation data. The unsubsidized ticket should cost P71.52 in September 2010.

In 2006, according to the PIDS study, 135 million people rode the MRT. That required a government subsidy of P6.4 billion. Next year, the subsidy is projected to be at least P 7.2 billion. The subsidy comes from the national government. Hence, it begs the question: is the P 7.2 billion used best to subsidize the Metro Manila commuter, or should the money go elsewhere?

Metro Manila residents make up just 11 percent of the population, so why should the 89 percent subsidize them? Why should taxpayers in Ilocos Norte, Batangas, Siquijor, Agusan del Sur, and Saranggani pay for the commute of the Metro Manilan?

The MRT ferries the rich, the middle class, and the masa crowd that can afford up to P15 per ride. Shouldn’t it be better used aiding the bottom poor who can’t afford the P15?

Representative Ma. Amelita Villarosa of Occidental Mindoro contrasts the subsidy with the lack of electricity in communities across the nation. “There are no electrification projects in 30,000 sitios all over the country and here comes this MRT subsidy which is servicing only the National Capital Region,” she says. I did my own calculations. The P 7.2 billion can be used to build 10,510 classrooms. Alternatively, it can hire 43,831 new teachers.

Now comes a government plan to raise the fare—finally. President Benigno Aquino III says it is “inevitable.” Morales-Mariano, the PIDS consultant, says a fare range of P20-25 per ride would yield the highest revenue for the MRT. That is still subsidized transportation, far from the P60 (2006) clean unsubsidized fare. As of this writing, the government has not yet revealed the new fare level.

This is what a fare increase will achieve. The Department of Transportation and Communications says it will save the country P2 billion. That is money
that can be used for concerns more urgent than a fast commute: adding classrooms, setting up water systems, providing electricity to the barrios.

It will partly decongest the MRT and lessen the danger of wrecking the doors. It may help raise the funds for adding more coaches. With the higher rates, some passengers may shift to taking the bus. That will enable the buses to fill up faster, making bus rides more viable.

The fare hike is urgent, as the loop between the MRT and the LRT line is almost complete. When both lines are virtually joined at Quezon City, ridership is seen to rise to 684,000 commuters per day. We MRT riders want a reliable train system, not one that may break down due to the strain.

julfinch

November 2nd, 2010, 08:14 AM

^^ awts! we're paying for something we didn't even get a ride...:ohno:
hopefully Cebu will not become like Manila..:)

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 2nd, 2010, 08:15 AM

^^
+ 1000000000000000000000000000 :D

Sleepwalker

November 2nd, 2010, 11:16 AM

^^ awts! we're paying for something we didn't even get a ride...:ohno:
hopefully Cebu will not become like Manila..:)

Very pampered, indeed... :okay:

Joseph20102011

November 2nd, 2010, 11:23 AM

No way for LRT, it is not feasible to Cebu, we are not a megacity like Manila. What we need is BRT in Cebu City proper and trans-axial highway for the province. LRT is not profitable because it of its cost. LRT can't carry vegetable goods because its capacity is good enough for human passenger.

Walay taga probinsyang mosakay og LRT tungod sa kamahal sa plete niana.

Sleepwalker

November 2nd, 2010, 11:25 AM

TagaCebu II

November 2nd, 2010, 11:44 AM

A CENTURY AGO CEBU HAD A RAIL............
CEBU want the rail back.... call it LRT, MRT etc. that's a new new trick today.

Manila's RAIL when they got their money... they got it.
ITS EVEN OVERLOADED.
Manila's politics mess it up, Cebu got f**k.
It happens all the time.
Same Modus Operandi.

http://sea.lib.niu.edu/img/SCL-PH023.jpg

.

Joseph20102011

November 2nd, 2010, 12:21 PM

The fare is only P15, Sir...That's cheap... :)

Subsidized mana sa goberno kun 15 pesos ang pletehan. Ang market price is 70 pesos. Plus pud dili pa kaayo tantong daghang tao sa Cebu ikumpara sa Manila. I don't want Cebu like Manila. Or else, it is a disaster.

Sleepwalker

November 2nd, 2010, 01:21 PM

^^I wish Manila to be better...and then Cebu can emulate from her... :)

vynzdelz

November 2nd, 2010, 04:41 PM

As I read this article, I dont think the LRT will really push through in Cebu city.

Mayor Rama may allow LRT in Cebu City if.
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja (The Freeman) Updated October 31, 2010 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama said that he might allow the proposed Light Rail Transit to traverse the city although with a major “but”.

“It’s okay as long as it will not traverse the major thoroughfares of the city because I don’t want the historical beauty of the city to be destroyed as well as the beauty of the sky to be blocked from our sight. Okay ra kung adto muagi sa bukid,” Rama said.

But putting it in the mountains is tantamount to saying that there is no way LRT will be feasible in the city, said Nigel Paul Villarete, former City Planning and Development coordinator and now general manager of the Mactan Cebu International Airport.

“No, it’s not feasible. Wala’y pasahero sa bukid,” Villarete said.

Congressman for Cebu City south district Tomas Osmeña said that he cannot make any decision on the idea until the feasibility study of the Bus Rapid Transit, which he favors over the other, is out.

“An LRT system from Cebu City to Balamban is interesting however as this will spur the development of the mountain barangays and the other side of Cebu province,” Osmeña said.

Cebu first district Rep. Eduardo Gullas, the proponent for the LRT, was not available for comment yesterday.

Villarete reiterated his position that two mass transport systems sharing the same ridership in the city will not work.

He said he even does not understand why there are people who try hard to keep the issue alive while the proposal for an LRT here was rejected by four feasibility studies 10 years ago.

“Why do they have to insist when it was clear in all four feasibility studies that it is not feasible in Cebu?” Villarete said.

As early as 1992, a Pre-Feasibility Study for a Metro Cebu Mass Transport System funded by the province and done by Schema Konsult, Inc. showed result that Cebu is not for LRT.

The pre-feasibility study done by World Bank consultants which was presented in the middle of this year showed that BRT is feasible in Cebu City including Mandaue and Lapu-Lapu.

Another study for the feasibility of LRT in Cebu was conducted in 1995. The Pre-Investment Study proposed and conducted by Jefferies of the US and funded by USAID was not even completed when Jefferies realized along the way that LRT is not feasible for Cebu.

In 1999, there was the feasibility study for Cebu Light Rail Transit Project (NEDA Project ID No. 575), proposed under the Central Visayas Development Project and done by Development and Management Corporation and Cebu Engineering Development Company.

It was proposed for funding under Official Development Assistance through Overseas Economic Cooperation Fund now the Japan Bank for International Cooperation.

But Villarete said it has never reached JBIC because it was not approved by the National Economic and Development Authority Board.

“What I can’t understand is why we insist on a system where a Cebuano walks more than half a kilometer to an LRT station, then climb up the stairs instead of just strolling about 200 meters to a BRT station and climbing a few steps,” he said.

Aside from the fact that feasibility studies rejected the project before, he said that there is no way it can be implemented without the nod of the mayor and the city council.

“The Local Government Code of 1991 (RA7160) declares under Chapter III, Article I, Section 25-b that national agencies and offices with project implementation functions shall coordinate with one another and with the local government units concerned in the discharge of these functions, and that they shall ensure the participation of local government units both in the planning and implementation of said national projects,” Osmeña earlier said in his letter to the Regional Development Council.

Villarete said that the city has already issued its stand objecting to the Cebu LRT project in a letter to both the Department of Transportation and Communications and NEDA in October last year.

In November 4 of the same year, the city council passed Resolution No. 09-1154, declaring its objections to the project. — /BRP (THE FREEMAN)

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=625911&publicationSubCategoryId=107

bustero

November 2nd, 2010, 06:18 PM

Have not visited this thread for a while but am glad to learn of the steps forward.

Congratulations to you Z for your new appointment hopefully our favorite mass transport project will not suffer for it. Really look forward to a new BRT project in the Republic in the short term to show the way.Not only for the the 3 major metro areas but for the mid size cities as well.

Aside from the usual rail based rahrah guys (usually pushed by the transport suppliers like those in my building!), who are the players not supportive of this in Cebu anyway.

julfinch

November 3rd, 2010, 08:42 AM

Villarete: LRT is "not possible now" (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=626714&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Gregg M. Rubio/JPM (The Freeman) Updated November 03, 2010 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines – While he has nothing against the proposed Light Railway Transit System of Cebu 1st district Rep. Eduardo Gullas, newly installed general manager of Mactan Cebu International Airport, Engr. Nigel Paul Villarete, said that it is not possible now.

Before his appointment as MCIA general manager, Villarete was the project head of the proposed Bus Rapid Transit System proposed by Cebu City south district Rep. Tomas Osmeña.

Gullas insisted that his proposed LRT project and the BRT system of Osmeña can "co-exist" and complement each other.

"It's really not possible at this point in time to have two systems in place," said Villarete, an engineer and transport economist.

In the 888 News Forum at Marco Polo Plaza yesterday, Villarete asked other engineers whether they don't believe him.

"Complementation can be done if the market is there, if the feasibility is there," Villarete said.

He said that Metro Cebu cities have two million people and it takes another decade to reach the level of mega city where all forms of transport systems are needed.

Villarete said people prefer to take direct flights in the case of air travel, over transferring from one airport to another.

"As much as possible, we plan for people not to be inconvenienced by transfer," he said, adding that with BRT all over Metro Cebu, there is no need for another system in order for people to transfer.

"Intermodal systems are good if you don't have any other way but if it's possible that you have only one system without any transfer, that is the better option," Villarete added.

He reported that they already completed the pre-feasibility study last June, funded by Public Private Infrastructure Assistance Facility and done by World Bank through its consultants.

He said that it has a "very positive feasibility indicator" which prompted both the National Government and the World Bank to continue with the full blown feasibility study and initial preliminary design.

Earlier, Villarete announced that the World Bank already committed USD1 million to start the feasibility study for a BRT system.

The feasibility study will determine the exact project cost, project design, requirements for maintenance, and management and operations, which will include recommendations on the institutional arrangement and proposed loan structuring.

This will also include possible cost sharing between the national government and the local government units concerned.

However, he clarified that the study will not include yet the detailed engineering plans.

If all goes well, the BRT is expected to be fully operational by 2014. It is expected to generate some USD15 million per annum based on the current Public Utility Jeepney rates.

Since it will not need subsidy to continue operating, the USD15 million revenue is reportedly enough to finance the continuous operation of the BRT. (FREEMAN)

julfinch

November 3rd, 2010, 08:52 AM

Villarete warns Cebuanos anew against LRT (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=626179)
By Jessica Ann R. Pareja/WAB (The Freeman) Updated November 01, 2010

CEBU, Philippines – Former Cebu City Planning and Development Coordinator and project head of the Cebu City Bus Rapid Transit project, Engr. Nigel Paul Villarete, warned the Cebuanos that if they choose the proposed Light Rail Transit, it will have the same fate as the pending Metro Rail Transit 7 in Manila that has been delayed for nearly a decade now due to lack of funding.

MRT-7 was submitted in 2002, but its implementation this year or even next year is still doubtful, Villarete said.

He said that compared to the BRT, which already has an assured US$350 million funding from the World Bank, LRT may not get the needed funding just like what happened to MRT-7.

"The latest estimate is last quarter of 2011, because no bank is interested in funding it (MRT-7). If you insist on pushing the LRT, we will have to wait until 2021 to see it. If traffic is not bad for you and you want to wait till 2021, then go push the LRT," he said.:nuts:

MRT-7, once it pushes through, will be the fourth rapid transit line in Metro Manila. The proposal is to build a 23-kilometer line with 14 stations that will traverse Quezon City and part of Caloocan City and will end at San Jose del Monte City in Bulacan.

As of August this year, the Department of Transportation and Communications informed that the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) is considering financing the project.

Villarete raised several other points to emphasize that LRT is not for Cebu which is supported by the result of several feasibility studies done in the past.

"Why do we insist on a system that will cost us US$32 million per kilometer, but can carry fewer passengers than one which will cost US$7 Million per kilometer? What I can't understand is why we insist on one which will cost the Cebuanos P15 to P25 fare per passenger, subsidized by the government at P2 billion a year instead of one which the fare is maybe less than P10 at the same speed and comfort, and without subsidy," Villarete added.

The result of the pre-feasibility study for the proposed BRT project in Cebu showed that the BRT will cost about US$7.2 million per kilometer or a total of US$115.2 for the 16-kilometer bus line.

Based on the current jeepney fare, World Bank consultants who conducted the pre-feasibility study projected a revenue of US$15 million a year from BRT operation, which they said, is already enough to sustain its operation including the maintenance.

There will even be a revenue surplus of US$1.5 million which may be used to pay back the infrastructure loan.

Earlier, Villarete said that an LRT station is inconvenient to the passengers than the BRT station because people will have to walk half a kilometer to go to an LRT station, then climb up the stairs up to third or fourth floors while to go to a BRT station, people just have to stroll about 200 meters and climb few steps.

According to him, the LRT is 'regressive infrastructure,' adding "this is building what we don't need and building more than what we need."

"It will happen to us when we build a US$603 million mass transport system and the government is forced to bleed P2 billion a year to support a fare which the poor in Cebu can not afford," he added.

Cebu first district Rep. Eduardo Gullas, in a phone interview, said that Villarete is entitled to his own opinion.

"Nobody can guarantee (if LRT Cebu will become like MRT-7). That's his opinion, he's entitled to it," Gullas said. (FREEMAN)

kenjikun07

November 3rd, 2010, 09:15 AM

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archerfish

November 4th, 2010, 01:08 AM

i was awaken from my slumbering when i read the news..:ohno:

.."The latest estimate is last quarter of 2011, because no bank is interested in funding it (MRT-7). If you insist on pushing the LRT, we will have to wait until 2021 to see it. If traffic is not bad for you and you want to wait till 2021, then go push the LRT," he said.

1. how much does this person who made this statement knows about MRT7? well, San Miguel Corporation just bought 51% percent interest of Universal LRT corp.(the one that's gonna build the MRT7)!!! will that company buy a stake of that project for nothing? ha! ha!:lol::lol:

2. traffic is very bad already because the city of cebu failed to plan ahead..

3. how did he arrived at the year 2021? was there an actual feasibility study done already as regards to lrt construction? and which route? not the one done 10 years ago but show us the latest feasibility study.. IMO painting a doomsday scenario is akin to a malicious plot.

4. No bank is interested? again what does he know? words from a city hall of cebu employee is not absolute!! unless you're the NEDA chief!

5. aside from the city hall of cebu and its backer, the world bank(hope that there is no strings attached to it). have you heard of any private company who is interested in financing this BRT?

at least for the lrt/ mrt in cebu AMA and San Miguel Corporation have shown their intentions. even just in press release..

"..Why do we insist on a system that will cost us US$32 million per kilometer, but can carry fewer passengers than one which will cost US$7 Million per kilometer? What I can't understand is why we insist on one which will cost the Cebuanos P15 to P25 fare per passenger, subsidized by the government at P2 billion a year instead of one which the fare is maybe less than P10 at the same speed and comfort, and without subsidy," Villarete added.

1. can carry fewer passengers? compared to what? maybe he is basing it again on his graphs by mercedez benz. :lol:

he just contradicted himself. he said there is not enough passenger volume in metro cebu and now he is saying it wont be enough.. nonsense alibi!:bash:

2. same speed and comfort?

SPEED: so these buses wont stop on intersections? AND SINCE HE PROMISED THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO WALK THAT FAR. expect these buses to be stopping on every corners too, to pick up and unload passengers! go figure how fast these buses will be running! ha! ha!:lol::lol:

COMFORT: how about the rough roads in metro cebu? and you add a few potholes here and there! just shows he doesnt ride jeepneys or buses once in while. what about the stopping and accelerating motion in every stop light and bus stops... those old folks with rheumatism will surely complain!

if you often ride a bus you know this (regardless of the type of bus). you always pray that the driver is cool on his feet, especially with the breaks and gas pedals.

3. subsidy? another alibi! even the mighty U.S. of A is doing it. a lot of transportation systems around the world are subsidized by their governments(with a few exceptions of course). people in downtown Seattle are riding their very nice buses without paying a single cent!! so why are they doing it?

so what is the issue about it? i think some people are too bookish that they rely too much on their numbers and graphs but they dont understand logic and appreciate what is beneficially efficient and beautiful.

as i've said before, better spend govenment money on infrastructures than put it on politicians pockets!:lol::lol:

..Earlier, Villarete said that an LRT station is inconvenient to the passengers than the BRT station because people will have to walk half a kilometer to go to an LRT station, then climb up the stairs up to third or fourth floors while to go to a BRT station, people just have to stroll about 200 meters and climb few steps.

a very lousy explanation from this gentleman.. OF COURSE you cannot put LRT stations IN EVERY STREET AND EVERY CORNER OF CEBU! JUST LIKE YOUR BRT!

i dont know if he knows the difference between commuter buses with that of a BRT bus.

i would believe him if he was referring to an ordinary commuter bus, but BRT in those narrow roads? he is putting the name of BRT in vain. even in rich countries you cannot see BRT or even Commuter buses in every street! sometimes you have to walk 4 blocks to get into it and they dont run that often on the middle of the day.

that is why it is called a rapid transit because it serves as a back bone to the public transportation system. YOU CANNOT HAVE TOO MANY BACKBONES IN YOUR BODY, ARENT YOU?

Villarete said people prefer to take direct flights in the case of air travel, over transferring from one airport to another.

"As much as possible, we plan for people not to be inconvenienced by transfer," he said, adding that with BRT all over Metro Cebu, there is no need for another system in order for people to transfer.

"Intermodal systems are good if you don't have any other way but if it's possible that you have only one system without any transfer, that is the better option," Villarete added.

..i think he doesnt really appreciate the concept of multi modal transportation system. wow! again, even rich countries cannot do it. to cite an example, in Germany where those buses are made and the roads are wider. you need to transfer from a train to a bus or vice versa to get to your destination. how much more in cebu? is he promising heaven to us?:lol::lol:

even in Bogota, Columbia.. not all BRT bus stations are within the 200 meters distance. some are as far as one kilometer depending on where you live.

economics will tell you.. that what he is saying is close to an impossible promise.

you need to have an attitude change and people will adopt to it. some people in Manila go to work by riding on foldable bikes and bring them on the trains..although not on rush hours. besides, that is why there is such feeder buses, jeepneys and taxis to complement the system. so you dont have to walk half a kilometer. i dont know if he understand this.

Villarete reiterated his position that two mass transport systems sharing the same ridership in the city will not work.

it will work if you put them on different routes(whatever happened to his planning skills?).. just like the transit layout below... they complement each other.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_e8dc934ae2_b.jpg

BRT is good for the city of cebu BUT we need a rapid mass transport system that will connect the cities of METRO CEBU from north to south.. and that needs a RAIL based system for a seamless and convenient travel for all riding public.

and best of all it lessens pollution because LRT/MRT/COMMUTER RAIL/MONORAIL runs on electricity.

RonnieR

November 4th, 2010, 06:05 AM

BRT in Makati?

Redeveloped Ayala Center to open in 2012
BusinessWorld
Posted at 11/04/2010 2:13 AM | Updated as of 11/04/2010 10:40 AM

MANILA, Philippines - A P20-billion redevelopment of Ayala Center is expected to be completed in two years, Ayala Land, Inc. (ALI) officials yesterday said, ensuring the longevity of the Makati central business district (MCBD).

Aside from new commercial and residential areas, the face-lift -- which is not limited to the complex -- will also involve more efficient transportation and a pedestrian-friendly environment.

"Right now I think the price tag that we have identified ... [and] this is going to be our largest investment in a specific area, is upwards P20 billion in the next few years," ALI President Antonino T. Aquino told reporters yesterday.

Anna Bautista-Dy, vice-president of ALI’s Strategic Landbank Management Group, said: "We expect to open our doors by 2012".

Included in the ongoing redevelopment is the Palm Promenade that will have outdoor cafes and tree-lined walkways along Pasay Road.

"We will be opening 700 new hotel rooms, bringing our portfolio to 3,000 rooms in Makati," Ms. Dy said.

A Holiday Inn and a Raffles Hotel will rise at the top of Glorietta 1 and 2, among other developments.

For the entire business district, ALI officials said they were focused on adding to the current pedestrian-friendly atmosphere and improving traffic.

There are 3.5 kilometers of walkways to date and the property firm will redevelop the 1.2-kilometer stretch from Ayala to Buendia avenues.

ALI will also implement a bus rapid transit system and upgrade the traffic signaling system.

Close to 10 hectares will be open spaces like parks.

On top of the P20-billion redevelopment, the firm also wants to create two new business districts: MCBD North and the Mckinley Node.

"What you will have ... [are] very distinct districts coming up on both ends of Ayala Avenue," Ms. Dy said.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/11/03/10/redeveloped-ayala-center-open-2012

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 4th, 2010, 08:23 AM

^^

:cheers::cheers::cheers: cheers to Makati! :)

ferny123

November 5th, 2010, 06:07 AM

MatudNilaBaby

November 5th, 2010, 08:34 AM

i was awaken from my slumbering when i read the news..:ohno:

1. how much does this person who made this statement knows about MRT7? well, San Miguel Corporation just bought 51% percent interest of Universal LRT corp.(the one that's gonna build the MRT7)!!! will that company buy a stake of that project for nothing? ha! ha!:lol::lol:

2. traffic is very bad already because the city of cebu failed to plan ahead..

3. how did he arrived at the year 2021? was there an actual feasibility study done already as regards to lrt construction? and which route? not the one done 10 years ago but show us the latest feasibility study.. IMO painting a doomsday scenario is akin to a malicious plot.

4. No bank is interested? again what does he know? words from a city hall of cebu employee is not absolute!! unless you're the NEDA chief!

5. aside from the city hall of cebu and its backer, the world bank(hope that there is no strings attached to it). have you heard of any private company who is interested in financing this BRT?

at least for the lrt/ mrt in cebu AMA and San Miguel Corporation have shown their intentions. even just in press release..

1. can carry fewer passengers? compared to what? maybe he is basing it again on his graphs by mercedez benz. :lol:

he just contradicted himself. he said there is not enough passenger volume in metro cebu and now he is saying it wont be enough.. nonsense alibi!:bash:

2. same speed and comfort?

SPEED: so these buses wont stop on intersections? AND SINCE HE PROMISED THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO WALK THAT FAR. expect these buses to be stopping on every corners too, to pick up and unload passengers! go figure how fast these buses will be running! ha! ha!:lol::lol:

COMFORT: how about the rough roads in metro cebu? and you add a few potholes here and there! just shows he doesnt ride jeepneys or buses once in while. what about the stopping and accelerating motion in every stop light and bus stops... those old folks with rheumatism will surely complain!

if you often ride a bus you know this (regardless of the type of bus). you always pray that the driver is cool on his feet, especially with the breaks and gas pedals.

3. subsidy? another alibi! even the mighty U.S. of A is doing it. a lot of transportation systems around the world are subsidized by their governments(with a few exceptions of course). people in downtown Seattle are riding their very nice buses without paying a single cent!! so why are they doing it?

so what is the issue about it? i think some people are too bookish that they rely too much on their numbers and graphs but they dont understand logic and appreciate what is beneficially efficient and beautiful.

as i've said before, better spend govenment money on infrastructures than put it on politicians pockets!:lol::lol:

a very lousy explanation from this gentleman.. OF COURSE you cannot put LRT stations IN EVERY STREET AND EVERY CORNER OF CEBU! JUST LIKE YOUR BRT!

i dont know if he knows the difference between commuter buses with that of a BRT bus.

i would believe him if he was referring to an ordinary commuter bus, but BRT in those narrow roads? he is putting the name of BRT in vain. even in rich countries you cannot see BRT or even Commuter buses in every street! sometimes you have to walk 4 blocks to get into it and they dont run that often on the middle of the day.

that is why it is called a rapid transit because it serves as a back bone to the public transportation system. YOU CANNOT HAVE TOO MANY BACKBONES IN YOUR BODY, ARENT YOU?

..i think he doesnt really appreciate the concept of multi modal transportation system. wow! again, even rich countries cannot do it. to cite an example, in Germany where those buses are made and the roads are wider. you need to transfer from a train to a bus or vice versa to get to your destination. how much more in cebu? is he promising heaven to us?:lol::lol:

even in Bogota, Columbia.. not all BRT bus stations are within the 200 meters distance. some are as far as one kilometer depending on where you live.

economics will tell you.. that what he is saying is close to an impossible promise.

you need to have an attitude change and people will adopt to it. some people in Manila go to work by riding on foldable bikes and bring them on the trains..although not on rush hours. besides, that is why there is such feeder buses, jeepneys and taxis to complement the system. so you dont have to walk half a kilometer. i dont know if he understand this.

it will work if you put them on different routes(whatever happened to his planning skills?).. just like the transit layout below... they complement each other.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_e8dc934ae2_b.jpg

BRT is good for the city of cebu BUT we need a rapid mass transport system that will connect the cities of METRO CEBU from north to south.. and that needs a RAIL based system for a seamless and convenient travel for all riding public.

and best of all it lessens pollution because LRT/MRT/COMMUTER RAIL/MONORAIL runs on electricity.

how about using renewable source of energy such as wind and solar to power your lrt/mrt/monorail/railway system to make it more of a green technology. a lot of people will buy that idea.

zidlakan

November 5th, 2010, 02:43 PM

and best of all it lessens pollution because LRT/MRT/COMMUTER RAIL/MONORAIL runs on electricity.

res ipsa loquitur ...

zidlakan

November 5th, 2010, 03:03 PM

BRT in Makati?

Redeveloped Ayala Center to open in 2012
BusinessWorld
Posted at 11/04/2010 2:13 AM | Updated as of 11/04/2010 10:40 AM

MANILA, Philippines - A P20-billion redevelopment of Ayala Center is expected to be completed in two years, Ayala Land, Inc. (ALI) officials yesterday said, ensuring the longevity of the Makati central business district (MCBD).

ALI will also implement a bus rapid transit system and upgrade the traffic signaling system.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/11/03/10/redeveloped-ayala-center-open-2012

not exactly in makati (only) ... ayala is eyeing a BRT line from Fort Bonifacio
to Makati, ... with loops in both. they have actually prepared a pre-feasibility
study already, which was reviewed by ADB two months ago, since ayala was
looking at the bank as a source of financing. the principal consultant of the
cebu-BRT was one of the review consultants of the ayala pre-FS ...

they're still reviewing financial streams and assumptions. depending on the
outcome of such, and the discussions with the bank and with the DOTC, the
project may be realized sooner or later.

a private firm might even be the first in implementing the brt than the government. zzzzzzzzz

possible ... but not probable. the proposed project will pass through certain
mainly-government roads, so the participation of government is inevitable.
BRT's are basically PPP's, with the government providing the infrastructure
and the private sector running everything else. a purely private BRT is possi-
ble only on a purely private route, but this is not the case with the ayala
proposal ...

olineil

November 5th, 2010, 04:14 PM

l15OetusJj8

olineil

November 5th, 2010, 04:34 PM

How to ride a BRT video in Sugbuanon anyone?
--seUQXyfLE

Parchie

November 5th, 2010, 06:06 PM

res ipsa loquitur ...

hehehe!
Here's the translation: "the thing speaks for itself". Very heavy one liner!

It is not totally correct to say "and best of all it lessens pollution because LRT/MRT/COMMUTER RAIL/MONORAIL runs on electricity!". Why? Because the supplied electricity is taken from coal-burning power generating plants, diesel power plants and some geothermal plants! If you will dig deeper, additional load demand in the near future are going to be supplied by peaking plants which are Bunker C-fired diesel engines. This is so because the base load plants (coal and geothermal power) in the Cebu-Negros-Panay Grid are not enough for the grid requirements! To prove that this is true, try passing by the viaduct along the SRP and you will still see the Ermita diesel up and humming! Or better still, make a tour in that Mactan diesel power plant if it is operating. Who can argue that coal-burning and diesel power plants do not emit much carbon dioxide?
However, If the engines to be used on these new BRT's will be of the hybrid-type or newer technology fuel cell engines, we can even say BRT's make lesser carbon footprint compared to electric-driven trains! (LRT/MRT/whatever) I hope this helps to better understand the issues on the two modes of transportation being discussed here.
Respectfully.

metrosuburban

November 5th, 2010, 11:13 PM

not exactly in makati (only) ... ayala is eyeing a BRT line from Fort Bonifacio
to Makati, ... with loops in both. they have actually prepared a pre-feasibility
study already, which was reviewed by ADB two months ago, since ayala was
looking at the bank as a source of financing. the principal consultant of the
cebu-BRT was one of the review consultants of the ayala pre-FS ...

they're still reviewing financial streams and assumptions. depending on the
outcome of such, and the discussions with the bank and with the DOTC, the
project may be realized sooner or later.

possible ... but not probable. the proposed project will pass through certain
mainly-government roads, so the participation of government is inevitable.
BRT's are basically PPP's, with the government providing the infrastructure
and the private sector running everything else. a purely private BRT is possi-
ble only on a purely private route, but this is not the case with the ayala
proposal ...

Dont you wish Ayala, among other private entities ang magpatakbo nalang ng Phils kesa walang silbeng gobierno.. :banana:

julfinch

November 6th, 2010, 05:45 AM

^^ ang vital organ sa paglago ng ating bansa...:lol:

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 6th, 2010, 09:13 AM

How to ride a BRT video in Sugbuanon anyone?
--seUQXyfLE\

very very awesome!!!! :cheers::cheers::cheers:

vynzdelz

November 6th, 2010, 12:42 PM

^^ true true... And i think we must should also try other mass transport system, para ma iba naman... di natin alam baka mas effective ang BRT kay sa LRT. :)

TagaCebu II

November 8th, 2010, 01:23 AM

DIESEL POWERED TRANSPORTATION IS
NOT ON LINE WITH THE NATIONAL ENERGY PROJECTS.

Cebu City government cannot even fix the issue why we are paying
the most expensive in the nation for diesel and gasoline.

As of March 7, 2010, the price of diesel there was P37.81/liter, ... In short, fuel prices in Cebu City were P4.00 more expensive compared to Manila ... P0.50 to P1.00/liter more expensive, for both diesel and gasoline
(http://funwithgovernment.blogspot.com/2010/03/local-fees-and-decentralization.html)
-----------------------
The power source of Rail transportation is on line
with the Philippine government which aims to approve contracts
to explore and develop the country's massive geothermal energy resources, which could attract more than $2.5 billion in private investment.

http://cagayandeorodev.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/mindanao_geothermalplant_philippines.jpg
Mindanao Geothermal Plant

http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20091105&t=2&i=12217121&w=300&fh=300&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2009-11-05T160248Z_01_BTRE5A418KS00_RTROPTP_0_ASIA-GEOTHERMAL
From Reuters - The Philippine government aims to approve contracts to explore and develop the country's massive geothermal energy resources, which could attract more than $2.5 billion in private investment, an official said.

The Philippines, the world's second-largest developer of geothermal energy, plans to approve 19 deals in the next five months to allow foreign and domestic companies access to geothermal projects, the division chief for geothermal energy at the Philippine Energy Department, Alejandro Oanes, told Reuters.

Philippine power producer Energy Development Corp and Envent, a unit of Geysir Green Energy, one of Iceland's biggest geothermal energy companies, were among groups vying for contracts to tap the country's geothermal resources, he said.

"Incentives for renewable projects are giving (the country's) geothermal development a much needed boost," said Oanes in a telephone interview from Manila.

Tax holidays and tariff exemptions for renewable energy projects are boosting investment in clean energy in the Philippines, with the government recently awarding 87 contracts to develop alternative energy sources.

Geothermal power accounted for 17 percent of the country's total power mix at the end of 2008, with installed capacity close to 2,000 megawatts, energy department data showed.

The government was issuing tenders for the development of 10 geothermal sites and negotiating nine more deals directly with various companies, Oanes said. Combined, the deals could harness more than 620 megawatts of geothermal energy.

Geothermal sites covered in the deals include Mount Isarog, in Camarines Sur province, where about 70 MW of geothermal power could be developed. The government is also looking at resources in Mount Labo, Camarines Norte with a potential capacity of 65 MW.

Other provinces identified with geothermal resources include Benguet, Cagayan, Palawan, Oriental Mindoro, Surigao del Norte and Laguna.

.

TagaCebu II

November 8th, 2010, 06:01 AM

LESSONS ON HYBRID POWERED

Forget about hybrid. The savings is offset by the cost.
Cost of the technology: Expensive and toxic lithium-ion.
and the delicate and short-life performance of lithium phosphate.

Other alternatives are being developed.
e.g. Waste as energy source is a an on-going project.

.

red_eagle_1982

November 12th, 2010, 05:51 AM

olineil

November 12th, 2010, 04:11 PM

BRT for Manila.

A close friend, and one of the higher-ups at the MMDA, is studying the implementation of a BRT system for Metro Manila. He was supposed to fly to Jakarta this week to begin research on a possible implementation of the Jakartan (Bogotan/Brazilian) public transport in Metro Manila. Unfortunately, the eruption of Mt. Merapi forced him to cancel his flight. However, once the situation in the Indonesian Archipelago, and airspace improves, he will fly to Jakarta.

Exciting eh? A BRT for Metro Manila.

Sounds good. But TransJakarata is not the Honor Student in BRT implementations. Although good in a sense cause he will learn what not to do in BRT rollouts. After Jakarta he must go to Bogota, Bangkok, or Curitiba and see how a BRT should be done. Going to Jakarta only might stifle his idea of BRT.

as87930

November 12th, 2010, 06:28 PM

Cool that Cebu's planning an LRT system - but doesn't Visayas have problems with electricity shortage?

Hope they sort that out soon!

MatudNilaBaby

November 12th, 2010, 07:05 PM

Cool that Cebu's planning an LRT system - but doesn't Visayas have problems with electricity shortage?

Hope they sort that out soon!

a railway system for both passengers and cargo is needed to compliment cebu's burgeoning economy. brt is good move but its not enough to sustain our growing economy if we continue to soar. mas humot ang cebu sa mga investors kon dunay well established infrastructure to match their investments. cebu can mimick asias economic tigers hongkong or singapore.

sandwindstars

November 12th, 2010, 08:04 PM

MatudNilaBaby

November 12th, 2010, 08:39 PM

I'm not sure why people are pushing for LRT when it is far more costly than BRT and takes longer to develop. The two systems can be complimentary, done in stages. I'd go for BRT lines (not just one) asap, then follow that with LRT line that goes almost end to end of Cebu to serve as suburban rail. I've seen BRT solve the probs in Bogota, and the use of trams connecting cities in Germany. It's all about money and time. Cebu right now needs to work on the inner city first. It looks like the funding for BRT has been secured.

I only wish they'd do BRT on Quezon Avenue in QC from way out there down to Espana now that MRT 7 has been diverted to serve SM North.

if the railway system is in place, those container vans from the cebu port whether international or domestic should not pass through its main thorough fares and bypass those heavily congested streets. thus moving goods directly to and from business and manufacturing firms.

bustero

November 13th, 2010, 12:48 AM

The Ayala Boni BRT link has been studied for a while. I would think this is the project listed in the article. I'm not even sure if there will be dedicated busways for the whole portion of this route. It would be exciting to see this come to fruition soon as well.
The Boni link is very much needed and Ayala has been looking at many options to link the two cbd's together.

olineil

November 13th, 2010, 02:33 AM

if the railway system is in place, those container vans from the cebu port whether international or domestic should not pass through its main thorough fares and bypass those heavily congested streets. thus moving goods directly to and from business and manufacturing firms.

You guys are confusing LRT with heavy rail systems. LRT is LRT and Heavy rail is heavy rail. They are 2 different breeds of transportation. Id say build a Metro Cebu BRT system and initiate a study for reviving Commuter/Cargo heavy rail for Cebu from north to south connecting the port definitely. This way people from north and south can commute to cebu city with ease and use BRT to travel around the metro as well as making cargo transport cheaper and more predictable too.

Just my 2 cents.

I'd still say no to LRT mainly because of the extremely expensive and long implementation plus the subsidy that bleeds our national coffers.

greenshields

November 13th, 2010, 08:09 AM

MMDA already has a copy of the FS for a MM BRT. It has been studied and there were recommendations. Di pa naman kalumaan since 2007 lang yung report. Perhaps they should just have it updated to show current prices and validate the assumptions and calculations in the report. No need to do a junket in Jakarta, Bangkok or South America.

BeaverQube

November 14th, 2010, 08:46 AM

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4026/5127854904_e8dc934ae2_b.jpg

Tinood na ba ni?Gwapo kaayo ning nga new transportation system sa Cebu! Grabe na gyud pag asenso diha. I like the new railway system. nganong usa ra man ka linya ang mga tren? I hope they will add some more ba. Maayo kaayo kay mora ug dali na gyud mag byahe pag gikan sa barko, kay pwede na diay modretso gikan sa pier ngadto didto sa SM para mani udto. Dako kaayo ni nga tabang labi na sa mga gikan sa mindanao ug uban lugar sa Visayas nga pirmi sakay ug barko. Kinahanglan makauli na para ma try nang mga tren diha.More power Cebu!

vynzdelz

November 14th, 2010, 03:00 PM

^^ it is still proposed as what the pic defines itself. But i don't think this rail type of mass transport system will push through because of some reasons.

MatudNilaBaby

November 14th, 2010, 06:07 PM

^^ it is still proposed as what the pic defines itself. But i don't think this rail type of mass transport system will push through because of some reasons.

the railway base mass transport system is what is lacking in cebu which could hinder cebu's burgeoning economy. investors always look at the mobility of goods, services and manpower. for the long haul, cebu needs it as many business leaders are pushing for its implementation.

Parchie

November 14th, 2010, 06:34 PM

the railway base mass transport system is what is lacking in cebu which could hinder cebu's burgeoning economy. investors always look at the mobility of goods, services and manpower. for the long haul, cebu needs it as many business leaders are pushing for its implementation.

I agree with you, in principle.
IMO, transport of goods would be more efficient if Cebu lays rails from North to South! If I remember right, Mr. Warren Buffett bought the Burlington North Sta Fe (BNSF) freight train system because he feels there's money in that business. If, in the interest of providing a faster and efficient way of transporting goods from the farms is sought by the government, this heavy rail system could be the best solution. The shipping area will always have its limitation especially during stormy months, we have had a lot sea mishaps and it's unreliable there. Our roads are not so wide and we can't expect good maintenance especially now that the presidency decided to spend less in his term of office. What is left is for a heavy rail system (pardon to be off-tangent, as their is no heavy rail transportation thread) to be provided.

normand

November 14th, 2010, 09:44 PM

ang dami kasing BUS operator sa manila. Dapat gawin katulad ng sa The Fort.

archerfish

November 15th, 2010, 06:18 AM

I agree with you, in principle.
IMO, transport of goods would be more efficient if Cebu lays rails from North to South! If I remember right, Mr. Warren Buffett bought the Burlington North Sta Fe (BNSF) freight train system because he feels there's money in that business. If, in the interest of providing a faster and efficient way of transporting goods from the farms is sought by the government, this heavy rail system could be the best solution. The shipping area will always have its limitation especially during stormy months, we have had a lot sea mishaps and it's unreliable there. Our roads are not so wide and we can't expect good maintenance especially now that the presidency decided to spend less in his term of office. What is left is for a heavy rail system (pardon to be off-tangent, as their is no heavy rail transportation thread) to be provided.

I agree too.. yes I hope the moderator here is reading this and he will change the name of the thread PROPOSED CEBU COMMUTER RAIL SYSTEM. i guess this would cover whatever is going to be built in cebu in the future either LRT, Metrorail, heavy rail, or monorail.

greenshields

November 16th, 2010, 01:05 AM

In other countries there are 1 or 2 bus companies operating in particular area or corridor. One private and the other under the city. Medyo madugo siguro dito but if the government is persistent and firm with a vision of improved PT in MM, kakayanin. I guess we can learn from the example of how they did it for the BRT in other cities.

olineil

November 16th, 2010, 02:45 AM

vicven2

November 16th, 2010, 06:43 AM

PROPOSED CEBU COMMUTER RAIL SYSTEM. i guess this would cover whatever is going to be built in cebu in the future either LRT, Metrorail, heavy rail, or monorail.

Doesn't the term COMMUTER mean passenger only? Best to drop this and just go with CEBU RAIL TRANSIT/TRANSPORT SYSTEM.

dos centimos. :)

archerfish

November 19th, 2010, 06:13 PM

proposed CEBU RAIL TRANSIT/TRANSPORT SYSTEM..yes, that would be better! thanks vv2.

i hope we can learn from that rail system in sydney, australia. they are using the same railway tracks both for transporting freight/cargo and commuters as well.

or from our very own PNR in luzon, but we improve it and make it better in cebu.

maybe during daytime commuters only and freight/cargoes after midnight..

since there are lots of japanese visitors in cebu..maybe we can get some of their old commuter trains from japan as donations. and start it from there. in that way we can save money.

hope metro cebu will be one and endorse this to the national government to be included too in next years PPP projects. THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE IF WE ENDORSE IT, at least we've tried.

Linguine

November 24th, 2010, 07:54 AM

redjieredz

November 24th, 2010, 03:20 PM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 24th, 2010, 03:42 PM

WOW!

can't wait to see the video presentation for the Cebu BRT! :banana:
BTW, when will it be available?

zidlakan

November 25th, 2010, 11:56 PM

Rapid bus system for Cebu eyed

A CONTRACT to operate a public bus system serving Cebu City will be auctioned off to the private sector late next year in a bid to meet growing transportation demand there, an official said on Wednesday.

The bus rapid transit system (BRT) should be ready for bidding by the fourth quarter of 2011 as the feasibility study is already ongoing, Transportation and Communication Undersecretary Aristotle B. Batuhan told reporters in a chance interview.

“It will feature dedicated lanes and efficient dispatch so buses don't have to race with each other,” Mr. Batuhan said in Filipino. -- Jessica Anne D. Hermosa

http://www.bworldonline.com/main/content.php?id=21752

parallel story in Philippine Daily Inquirer...

Inquirer Headlines / Metro
You are here: Home > News > Inquirer Headlines > Metro

Metro bus deployment system eyed (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20101124-305123/Metro_bus_deployment_system_eyed)
By Abigail L. Ho
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:42:00 11/24/2010
Filed Under: Road Transport, Philippines - Metro

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/metro/view/20101124-305123/Metro_bus_deployment_system_eyed

MANILA, Philippines—The Department of Transportation and Communications is preparing the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) system for public-private partnership (PPP) with the project expected to be ready for investors by the fourth quarter of next year.

In a presentation at the 1st Philippine Electric Vehicle Summit on Wednesday, Transportation Undersecretary Aristotle Batuhan said the project was now in the feasibility study stage in Cebu City and a number of local and foreign investors had already expressed their interest to participate.

A feasibility study would also be conducted for Metro Manila to determine, among others, which routes would be covered by the BRT system, he added.

According to Batuhan, the BRT system would likely include the stretch of Edsa.

A thorough study, however, would have to be done since hundreds of buses now ply Edsa on a daily basis. The major thoroughfare was also being served by the Metro Rail Transit 3, part of the envisioned Metro Manila railway loop.

The project made perfect sense for Cebu City, he said, since there were no railway systems there.

The BRT system involves the establishment or assignment of dedicated lanes to buses whose drivers will have to follow specific times of arrival and departure on particular routes. In addition, buses on the BRT lanes can only pick up or drop off passengers in designated stops.

Batuhan said that while waiting for a feasibility study to be conducted for Metro Manila, a single dispatch system would have to be strictly implemented to help prepare bus operators, drivers and the riding public for the possible adoption of a BRT system.

“For Metro Manila, there should be just one cooperative to be in charge of dispatching the buses,” he said. “It’s also a matter of changing the mind-set of commuters. They also have to be trained in the system.”

Batuhan explained that Cebu City was first targeted for the BRT system as it was the most logical mass transit alternative in a city without a railway system.

zidlakan

November 26th, 2010, 12:05 AM

TransMilenio Celebrates 10 Years of Operation (http://www.itdp.org/index.php/news/detail/transmilenio_celebrates_10_years_of_operation/)
Posted on November 3, 2010
By Andrés Jara-Moreno, Country Director, Colombia

http://www.itdp.org/index.php/news/detail/transmilenio_celebrates_10_years_of_operation/

TransMilenio, Bogota’s world-class BRT system, celebrated ten years of successful operations on October 28th. ITDP President and former Mayor of Bogota, Enrique Penalosa, described TransMilenio as “the best bus system in the word’ in his key-note address at the anniversary celebrations. Penalosa commissioned its creation during his tenure as Mayor. He reminded people that TransMilenio was a crucial part of his more comprehensive mobility policy that included car restrictions, the implementation of hundreds of kilometers of pedestrian promenades and separated bicycle paths, and the construction of public libraries, schools and nurseries.

http://www.itdp.org/documents/TM.jpg
Photo by Andres Jara

TransMilenio started operations in late 2000 and functions as an above-ground system with high-capacity, quality buses. It was inspired by the BRT of Curitiba in Brazil, which was constructed in the 1970’s during Jaime Lerner’s time as Mayor. Penalosa was keen to pay homage: “I want to offer my gratitude to the Former Mayor of Curitiba, Jaime Lerner. But, I have to say that one of the main differences between the BRT systems of Bogota and Curitiba is that we gave a name to our BRT system; a meaningful name that implies major changes in the people’s behavior and a huge transformation in the City’s landscape. Today nobody says they are going to take a bus when they talk about TransMilenio,” Peñalosa argued.

http://www.itdp.org/documents/Penalosa.jpg
Photo by Andres Jara

Over the past 10 years, TransMilenio has transported more than 3,000,000,000 passengers and currently serves 1.7 million users per day. It has helped reduce carbon emissions, being characterized by the United Nations as a Clean Development Mechanism (CDM). Water and oil savings are up 40%, while the rate of accidents on the road has decreased by 80%. The system is also integrated with the bicycle network, offering bicycle parking for more than 1,600 bicycles at various stations.

http://www.itdp.org/documents/Bikeparking.jpg
Photo by Andres Jara

Furthermore, TransMilenio has emerged as an international symbol for urban transportation success, with over 200 delegations from every part of the globe traveling to Bogota to learn first-hand about technical, operational and maintenance issues. Bogota’s BRT system has also spurred further exchange of knowledge between countries as those involved in the development of TransMilenio have gone on to help with other BRT systems in China, Indonesia, Africa, and around Latin America. Edgar Enrique Sandoval, who was the First General Manager of the system and has worked with ITDP, was awarded and recognized at the 10-year celebration as one of the crucial founders of TransMilenio.

http://www.itdp.org/documents/Sandoval.jpg
Photo by Andres Jara

The main challenge facing TransMilenio as it enters its second decade is popularity. According to Peñalosa, the system should expand service and capacity as its ridership continues to grow daily. Such additions would include more stations, increased accessibility to the City’s suburbs, more services, more operational returns, and underground tunnels along the system’s backbone Avenida Caracas.

zidlakan

November 26th, 2010, 12:10 AM

http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/images/amlogo.gif

BRT system: Asian cities show the way
A’bad and Guangzhou’s systems show how to reduce carbon emission, improve quality of life and pave way for social equity (http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?Page=article&sectname=News%20-%20City&sectid=3&contentid=2010101620101016025954592daa3aca7)
Shreya Gadepalli
Posted On Saturday, October 16, 2010 at 02:59:54 AM

The baby of Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation (AMC), Bus Rapid Transit System (BRTS) or Janmarg completed a year of its operation in the city. Janmarg is also at the centre of discussion at international transport fora for its successful implementation. It received the ‘Best Mass Rapid Transit System’ award from the national government in 2009.

Many people who had written off BRT in India sat up and took notice after Janmarg went live. Many cities in India now take inspiration from Janmarg when they develop their BRT system. ITDP supported AMC and CEPT University, the principal consultant for Janmarg BRT project, to develop the best practice system in the Indian context.

Janmarg now carries on an average 83,000 passengers every day and, with expansion of corridor network and introduction of air-conditioned buses, the numbers will only increase. While an earnest attempt was made to develop good pedestrian and cycling facilities, there is scope for improvement. Good pedestrian and cycling integration is the key to the success of any high quality public transit system. Ahmedabad has a lot of potential to scale up the BRT system to a new level.

http://cms.mumbaimirror.com/portalfiles/28/3/201010/Image/2010-10-16/08-3.jpg
The Janmarg now carries on an average 83,000 passengers every day

Incidentally, the 16th Asian Games will be held in ‘Flower City’ (Guangzhou, China) from November 12. And this will be the perfect opportunity for global audience to see Guangzhou Bus Rapid Transit, a high capacity and direct BRT which opened in February this year. Guangzhou, better known as Canton by many, is located in South China and is the main industrial centre with a population of more than 10 million.

The newly introduced Guangzhou BRT is scripting a new success story in the way the city moves. The numbers speak for themselves. At present, the daily ridership on the first phase of Guangzhou BRT (23 km) is nearly 9 lakh passengers a day. Guangzhou’s BRT is already carrying more daily passengers than the city’s five metro lines.

With dedicated BRT corridor in the centre, world class pedestrian and bike (as bicycles are called in many parts of the world) track along the corridors has earned die-hard fans for BRT in Guangzhou. No wonder, 55,000 passengers board BRT buses every day at a single BRT station (Gangding), which is also a world record. In the peak section, there is a flow of 300 buses per hour. One can see a bus pass by every 1.2 seconds!

Much of the success of Guangzhou BRT goes to its innovative and path-breaking initiatives like world class pedestrians facilities, dedicated bike tracks and convenient bike parking integrated with each BRT station.

A bicycle sharing system that opened in June 2010 now has 5,000 bicycles along the BRT corridor at 113 cycle sharing stations. Also, commuters are provided with bike parking facility where they can park free of cost and board BRT buses to their destination. The smart card used for payment in BRT system is integrated with the bike sharing system. Both Asian cities have shown the world that how a public transit system, specifically bus rapid transit, plays a pivotal role in reducing CO2 emissions, improve quality of life and pave way for social equity.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 26th, 2010, 01:16 AM

^^
WOW! a very inspirational articles! i hope that our Cebu BRT will be as successful as Bogota and Curitiba! :okay:

greenshields

November 27th, 2010, 07:34 AM

Wala bang balak mag-tour ng mga DOTC officials for them to see how BRT is effective in Guangzhou and Ahmedabad? There are new players at DOTC including the USec for Road Transport and the the ASec for Planning, whom I heard is a recycled official (balik DOTC).

ruffaramboo

November 28th, 2010, 03:54 PM

Furute Cebu BRT!!! Super Cute!!!
Hino Poncho IIMS 2010

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs198.snc4/38232_406986397477_520032477_4551501_782254_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986407477_520032477_4551503_4789725_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986392477_520032477_4551500_6773773_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986402477_520032477_4551502_7468002_n.jpg

Hino Poncho in Japan

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1246/994395109_295dab169a.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/TachikawaBus_HA-31_A-bus.JPG

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iUP8WI2z99UOfM::&t=1&usg=__aXI4vFuoHreNTVUFpfttZdCbc7U=

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/ts-nakamura/cabinet/00258853/img55344370.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/NishiTokyoBus_C20781_Seotonoyu_a.jpg

olineil

November 29th, 2010, 12:52 AM

Wrong Thread tsong. Anyway I'm linking this to the BRT thread.
Furute Cebu BRT!!! Super Cute!!!
Hino Poncho IIMS 2010

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs198.snc4/38232_406986397477_520032477_4551501_782254_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986407477_520032477_4551503_4789725_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986392477_520032477_4551500_6773773_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986402477_520032477_4551502_7468002_n.jpg

Hino Poncho in Japan

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1246/994395109_295dab169a.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/TachikawaBus_HA-31_A-bus.JPG

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iUP8WI2z99UOfM::&t=1&usg=__aXI4vFuoHreNTVUFpfttZdCbc7U=

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/ts-nakamura/cabinet/00258853/img55344370.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/NishiTokyoBus_C20781_Seotonoyu_a.jpg

olineil

November 29th, 2010, 12:54 AM

POsted on Cebu LRT thread. Though it may not suite Cebu's needs... this buses looks ideal for smaller Philippine cities. :)

Furute Cebu BRT!!! Super Cute!!!
Hino Poncho IIMS 2010

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs198.snc4/38232_406986397477_520032477_4551501_782254_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986407477_520032477_4551503_4789725_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986392477_520032477_4551500_6773773_n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs098.ash2/38232_406986402477_520032477_4551502_7468002_n.jpg

Hino Poncho in Japan

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1246/994395109_295dab169a.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/TachikawaBus_HA-31_A-bus.JPG

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:iUP8WI2z99UOfM::&t=1&usg=__aXI4vFuoHreNTVUFpfttZdCbc7U=

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/ts-nakamura/cabinet/00258853/img55344370.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/NishiTokyoBus_C20781_Seotonoyu_a.jpg

spearhead

November 29th, 2010, 01:00 AM

^^totoo na ba yan o imagination nanaman? Sexy ng bus. =D

TagaCebu II

November 29th, 2010, 04:27 AM

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 29th, 2010, 08:19 AM

^^
at least, the Cebu BRT is not an imagination. its already becoming a reality. :okay:

boom_box

November 29th, 2010, 08:53 AM

^^totoo na ba yan o imagination nanaman? Sexy ng bus. =D

How about yung sumakay sa bus.. :banana:

olineil

November 29th, 2010, 10:13 AM

^^totoo na ba yan o imagination nanaman? Sexy ng bus. =D

Nope... just throwing in the idea of potentially using this kinds of buses for other smaller major cities in the country.

Like what mainstreamhunter said, at least Cebu is not an imagination. I just love that the smaller brother will teach the elder brother to do transport right. Go Cebu! Show Manila how its done. :)

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

November 29th, 2010, 10:32 AM

^^
i also kinda like those buses especially when Cebu BRT will be further develop in other places in Cebu esp. in the rural areas. I also love those buses being articulated instead of just single. :)

olineil

November 29th, 2010, 10:37 AM

Advertisement with beautiful women and in showroom
really looks good.

STARTED SERVICE IN 2008, MUMBAI INDIA (http://www.aecom.com/Where+We+Are/Asia/Transportation/_projectsList/Mumbai+Bus+Rapid+Transit%2C+India) <--CLICK FOR SOURCE
Proudly proclaim this news:..as India Marches Ahead to Emerge
as the Largest Economic Power of the World
AECOM has been appointed as expert advisor to Indian consultants CES for the Mumbai Bus Rapid Transit (BRT), following our successful collaboration on the Jaipur BRT system in India.
This' WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY

http://www.aecom.com/deployedfiles/Internet/Processed%20Images/Mumbai-Bus-Rapid-Transit,-India.jpg

ALL OF US WILL BY THEN HAVE TO SAY, WE WISH WE HAD A RAIL
Manila will be laughing at Cebuanos
When we will still be subsidizing Manila Rail System with our taxes
and more expensive gas and diesel prices.

.

The project status says "ON GOING" careful what you post here bud... your shooting yourself on the foot here again...

here's a better link:
http://mumbai.thecityfix.com/brt-gaining-momentum-in-mumbai/

as of March 29, 2010 the project is at a status quo or at the very least at a very minor implementation stage. So why is that you say that it is what it looks today when it hasn't even started construction yet? The picture merely be just a picture of the current para transit buses that they have now. :nuts:

Wag na lang mag-attack pre kung wala din naman katuturan, ok? Or at least kung aatake make it as intelligent as you can. okidok?

Sabi nga nila: I-goggle mo gago!

zidlakan

November 29th, 2010, 10:52 AM

This' WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY

http://www.aecom.com/deployedfiles/Internet/Processed%20Images/Mumbai-Bus-Rapid-Transit,-India.jpg

again, ... res ipso loquitor

just one look at the picture and everyone knows that is NOT a BRT vehicle
(unless you know absolutely nothing about BRTs, in which case, they all look
the same to you ...).

so saying "This' WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY" is pure deception through and
through. how can we even convince others about the merit of our arguments
when we surreptitiously deceive them by showing pictures which are clearly
not true?

i admire and respect all the sober arguments for the LRT in this thread but
it's disappointing to see others bolster their argument by maligning a system
clearly supported by some major cities in the world, and depicting pictures
which are glaring deceptions.

a little integrity would do much good to this thread and enhance the argu-
ments for the LRT ...

ivanc

November 29th, 2010, 11:08 AM

thats why I've lost interest in the other thread (Cebu LRT)...

TagaCebu II

November 30th, 2010, 09:04 AM

November 16,2010
LOOK....Their roads are even wider.
It is so predictable, even a 5th grader knows it.
All we need to learn from others' mistakes.....raise your standards,
Stop other people from wasting Cebuanos money.
Freedom to own or to go anywhere you want with your car on weekends
will be prohibitive.
We really need a rail.
India now admits that..Light Rail to solve Delhi's problems.

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2010/11/16/Article//005/16_11_2010_005_007.jpg

People would even pay a taxicab and Starbucks prices !

.

zidlakan

November 30th, 2010, 11:53 AM

^^

are you even reading what you are posting?

it says - the Indian Cabinet approved 15 new BRT corridors!!!!

you say "India now admits that..Light Rail to solve Delhi's problems."

it's a newspaper headline, for goodness' sake!

and it reads:

Cabinet clears 15
new BRT corridors

here ... let's repost it. let everybody read it and judge whether it's anti-BRT ...

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2010/11/16/Article//005/16_11_2010_005_007.jpg

le Reine

November 30th, 2010, 12:02 PM

again, ... res ipso loquitor

just one look at the picture and everyone knows that is NOT a BRT vehicle
(unless you know absolutely nothing about BRTs, in which case, they all look
the same to you ...).A bit of correction Sir, it's res ipsa loquitur. :D

^^

are you even reading what you are posting?

it says - the Indian Cabinet approved 15 new BRT corridors!!!!

you say "India now admits that..Light Rail to solve Delhi's problems."

it's a newspaper headline, for goodness' sake!Hehehe...

I don't actually know why this thread is still alive. I thought the rule here is to close all threads re: projects that are not or will not be executed. This is a waste of space. Also, it is used not as a forum for the title itself but just a propaganda tool against the BRT project. What's the point of having this thread open? Calling the mods!

greenshields

December 1st, 2010, 03:27 AM

I think the Hino Poncho featured in the preceding post is not intended for BRT service but looks like a suitable replacement for jeepneys considering its capacity. It remind me of the Mitsubishi Beep that was featured in another thread (Jeepney?)

Wolfranz

December 1st, 2010, 02:40 PM

I'm rooting for Volvo! Volvo for Cebu's BRT! :D

Panzer_18

December 1st, 2010, 03:03 PM

^^
i also kinda like those buses especially when Cebu BRT will be further develop in other places in Cebu esp. in the rural areas. I also love those buses being articulated instead of just single. :)

^^:) .... yet i still prefer scania or volvo buses sa city proper kay kung rush hour daghan ang ma.xud unlike anang poncho buses .... still i consider this poncho buses kay basin magamit ni sa mga torista as tourist bus rapid transit .... hehehe

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

December 2nd, 2010, 09:45 AM

I'm rooting for Volvo! Volvo for Cebu's BRT! :D

yeah! ever since VOLVO gyud ko for Cebu BRT! :D

hydraulics

December 3rd, 2010, 12:49 AM

boom_box

December 4th, 2010, 10:17 AM

Just listened to RMN Cebu and the radio commentator still thinks that the BRT are just simple bus route that he saw in EDSA..

Wa gyud niy ayo ning mga taga media, tapulan mag research.. pataka sad yawyaw.. tsk tsk tsk...

Linguine

December 4th, 2010, 11:05 AM

in Makati too.....

Ayala Land plans to develop bus rapid system along Ayala Avenue
Saturday, 04 December 2010 17:19 Rizal Raoul Reyes / Correspondent

RATIONALIZING vehicular traffic along the Ayala business district is a top agenda of property heavyweight Ayala Land Inc. (ALI).

In a recent briefing with the media, ALI vice president for strategic landbank management group Anna Bautista-Dy said the firm will develop a bus rapid transit (BRT) system starting this year as part of enhancing the mobility of people going into the country’s premier business district. It is expected to be finished in 2012.

She said ALI chose the BRT system over other systems because it provides the lowest cost of operations. “Based on international standards, it will cost $2.5 million per kilometer to build a BRT system,” she said.

For their BRT project, ALI will build the system from the intersection of Ayala Avenue and Epifanio del los Santos Avenue up to Ayala Avenue-Gil Puyat Avenue totaling 4 kilometers.

It has the least cost of the transport system if compared to a rail-based system which is 10 times higher, according to Bautista-Dy.

The BRT system of Curitiba, Brazil is regarded as one of the most successful models in the world. According to www.urbanhabitat.org, “the buses run frequently—some as often as every 90 seconds—and reliably, and the stations are convenient, well-designed, comfortable and attractive.”

The web site added the BRT system in Curitiba “has one of the most heavily used, yet low-cost, transit systems in the world.” It has been described as a system with a lot of the features of a subway system. The difference is that the BRT is above ground.

Bautista-Dy said ALI is also upgrading its traffic system to make pedestrians more comfortable in walking around the area by introducing a newer system where people can operate them. Traffic sensors are synchronized and in certain areas, people can push the traffic buttons, she said.

“What we’re trying to do in the Ayala Center is to connect the people through a special eye for the pedestrians to ensure that if you live there it’s actually easy to move around,” she said.

ALI, along with the Makati Commercial Estate Association (Macea), will invest $8 million to $10 million for the new system which is believed to have the speed and efficiency of a railway system with a minimal cost for operation

“We always view them [Makati CBD and Bonifacio Global City] to be complementary with each other,” said ALI president Antonino Aquino in a briefing.

“As a consequence, we expect to grow together significantly to become an overall business capital of the country,” he added.

The development of the BRT is part of the P20-billion redevelopment plan set to be completed in 2012. Later, the BRT system is envisioned to connect the Makati central business district (CBD) and the Bonifacio Global City, according to Aquino.

He said ALI will also expand pedestrian areas in the Makati CBD to encourage residents and visitors to explore the areas, thus decreasing traffic congestion.

According Aquino, ALI will allocate the P20-billion investment on an equal footing for the residential and leasing component based from Ayala Center’s redevelopment.

Park Terraces, a high-end residential project of Ayala Land Premier, will have a prominent role in the redevelopment with the construction of its second tower.

“Park Terraces represents ALI and that will really be considered as the largest element of residential high-risers in the Ayala area,” Aquino said.

Moreover, the ongoing redevelopment will include the Palm Promenade, which will have outdoor cafes and walkways linking Glorietta complex to Pasay Road, and Terraces Square, which will be situated between Park Terraces and Park Square.

The opening of Holiday Inn and Raffles Hotel, which will rise at the top of Glorietta 1 and 2, will add 700 new hotel rooms, bringing the total number of hotel rooms in Makati to 3,000.

ALI recently reported buoyed bottomline reached P3.94 billion in the first 9 months of 2010, a 35-percent growth from the same period last year.

“It was another good quarter and we experienced strong growth across all our major business lines,” said Ayala Land senior vice president and chief finance officer Jaime E. Ysmael in a media statement.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/properties/4511-ayala-land-plans-to-develop-bus-rapid-system-along-ayala-avenue

julfinch

December 5th, 2010, 06:12 AM

Panzer_18

December 5th, 2010, 06:36 AM

My father hates listening RMN's Ruphil Banoc's commentaries...... sometimes hes so rude and not thinking of what he say during his morning air-time radio show...... ....... i remember na BRT xd to ang topic..... he say that Brt is just a waste of MONEY!!! ..... he prefers LRT than BRT ,,, murag jud syag engineer sa iyng g.panulti atng time.ma that makes me upset of what he say's .....

knight225

December 5th, 2010, 08:45 AM

^^
at least, the Cebu BRT is not an imagination. its already becoming a reality. :okay:

WE actually need this kinds of buses.. small and efficient. Our busses are really BIG which we really dont need.. we need smaller busses. privatized buses so that the drivers dont need to get quotas/boundary/
* pra nman matuto ang tao na sumakay, mag antay, bumaba sa tamang babaan.. kasi ang mga bus drivers disciplinado na dn.. dhil bayad sla per ora.. kht sa edsa lng please... or sa lahat na.. well sa metro manila.. iilan lng nman ang bus lines/lanes
ALABANG/MOA-MIA/LIBERTAD-BUENDIA/LAWTON/ -->NOVALICHES

boom_box

December 5th, 2010, 11:04 AM

jimPUNKZ

December 5th, 2010, 04:06 PM

^^hawd bitaw au nis banoc, murag si kinsa! abusado kaayu ni sa iyang pagka journalist.., murag tinuod iyang ipangsulti, di raba.. grabi pud nig baba,,, abugado man unta kunuhay....:ohno:

Panzer_18

December 5th, 2010, 11:14 PM

DURING his air-show (november 25 2010 )
RUPHIL BANOC:kanang brt kaskas ra na sa atng kwarta ...... mka.dala pa ng.guba sa atng kalikupan, mka.dala ug trapik, ......................................................................... blah,blah,blah............................................................. LRT ra jud ang importante kay subsidized pa atng pamiliti, ug una xa tnan mka.tabang sa kalikupan ..... mao ayaw mu.tuga 2x ug tuo ana niya na ang brt mka.tabang kanato........

:( .....

Wind Shear

December 6th, 2010, 05:33 AM

Theory number1: He might be a sakop ni Cong. Gullas.

metrosuburban

December 6th, 2010, 07:24 AM

^^^ paid to bad talk BRT.

mugiwara96

December 6th, 2010, 03:16 PM

Propaganda! ! !

julfinch

December 7th, 2010, 08:21 AM

or just plain ignorant thinking...
BRT is just like bus = unorganized = pollution = a headache = racing each other for passenger's cents at the expense of rider's safety.

greenshields

December 8th, 2010, 01:49 AM

All the more reason that a BRT must be realized immediately. Whether its in Makati-Taguig or in Cebu, the important thing is to have proof of concept here in the Philippines. Many critics choose to close their eyes on the effectiveness of the BRT in other countries. There are, indeed, failures but these are due to certain factors that we can learn from.

Sleepwalker

December 8th, 2010, 03:31 AM

These critics should be banned from using BRT.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

December 8th, 2010, 10:22 AM

^^
:D

yeah! identify those critics and post their pictures at BRT stations for them not to use BRTs! :hilarious

Wind Shear

December 8th, 2010, 10:45 AM

^^
:D

yeah! identify those critics and post their pictures at BRT stations for them not to use BRTs! :hilarious

These critics should be banned from using BRT.

I have a suggestion though. Why don't let those critics ride BRT buses so they can change their mind and heart (hopefully).

If the critic does not want to ride BRT, then his brain is myopic.

ivanc

December 8th, 2010, 04:34 PM

Theory number1: He might be a sakop ni Cong. Gullas.

maybe he is lurking here in SSC. maybe one of the anti BRT forumers... hmmm...

sandwindstars

December 9th, 2010, 01:51 AM

POsted on Cebu LRT thread. Though it may not suite Cebu's needs... this buses looks ideal for smaller Philippine cities. :)

I can see these instead of jeepneys on feeder roads. They look like they can take more than a jeepney, with standing room.

zidlakan

December 12th, 2010, 03:07 AM

repost from the Cebu City and Province Thread ...

Which means the sooner we can get the BRT up and running, the better right Sir Zid?:lol:

What's happening with BRT right now, since we caught you here early today? (Although you might be busy with your new post, but I'm sure you are 100% informed and still involved with BRT)

^^
just the usual preparatory meetings, all part of the process and extremely
necessary. meetings between World Bank and NEDA/DOTC early last week,
then WB officials met with mayor mike and nestor archival in city hall last
friday. project concept note (PCN) already completed and waiting for official
"letter" from department of finance (DOF) so that the procurement for consul-
tancy services for the Full-blown FS/preliminary design can be tendered 1st
quarter next year (jan-march). this is for the cebu-BRT.

also:

the Full-blown FS of the manila BRT is targeted for USTDA (US Trade and Development Agency) funding.

Agence Française de Développement (AFD) is seriously interested funding BRT in the Philippines for cebu. they don't want to fund manila BRT.

there is a possibility WB might extend the proposed funding for the cebu BRT to cover the cebu-mandaue-lapu-lapu corridor if lapu-lapu city will express serious interest. i'm still trying to work on this.

as an alternative, i'm preparing a proposal for an MCIAA to SRP "BRT-ready" bus service, if not a full BRT for submission to KOICA.

nayki

December 12th, 2010, 04:23 AM

zidlakan

December 13th, 2010, 11:33 PM

World Bank officials ready to start BRT feasibility study next month (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/world-bank-officials-ready-start-brt-feasibility-study-next-month)

By Jujemay G. Awit
Tuesday, December 14, 2010

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/world-bank-officials-ready-start-brt-feasibility-study-next-month

WORLD Bank (WB) consultants are ready to start the feasibility study on the Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) this month, but Cebu City Mayor Michael Rama wants to see the draft of the study’s details first.

City officials met with the consultants last week to discuss the details of the feasibility study for the BRT, the mass transport system that the City Government wants to implement.

The consultants are scheduled to conduct the feasibility study later this month.

Former city councilor Nestor Archival attended the meeting last Friday. Rama also designated him as the City’s official spokesperson for the project, after hiring him as consultant with a P1 annual fee.

Rama said he told the consultants to produce a draft of the feasibility study’s coverage so they can study it.

He will also ask Archival to study the draft so they can establish the role of the City in the implementation of the BRT, as well as the progress of the project.

“The connection should be clearly established,” said Rama. When the feasibility study is completed, the City will study possible funding sources and other concerns, he added.

Mactan Cebu International Airport Authority General Manager Nigel Paul Villarete, the former city planning and development coordinator, did not attend the meeting with the WB consultants, but Rama said he constantly communicates with Villarete to discuss the BRT.

Rama said that Villarete may still be busy adjusting to his new job.

Earlier, former mayor and Rep. Tomas Osmeña (Cebu City, south district) criticized Rama’s decision to have Archival head the BRT project, but Rama justified his choice, saying the former councilor is capable of handling it.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on December 14, 2010.