Chennai Metro Project [Archive] - Page 11

vijayvmail

December 29th, 2010, 05:50 AM

For sure it is very well planned by britishers.. Population is very less in those days compared to the present day chennai, but it had wide roads.. Even chennai mount road had separate pathways for pedestrians and cyclist(Read this in Hindu with a photo).. They also had MG sub urban trains. Chennai members can clarify more on this..

The raods appeared wide and clean for the small population of those days. Automobiles like cars were luxuries reserved for a select few. Even in those photos above, you can see people crossing the road everywhere. It worked when the population was less.

The trouble is that we continue to live exactly the same way even after swelling beyond 7 Million.

All of us still want to walk and cross anywhere
we still want to drive our millions of vehicles in exactly the same way as we did when there were just a few hundereds or thousands of them
We still want to throw all our garbage on the roads - despite goods growing multiple times, despite new kinds of rubbish like plastic covers having come into use
Last but not the least, our government still wants to pretend that it is governing over a city of a few lakhs and not a few million.

I'm so sorry for going so much off topic - but couldn't resist it.

khirubagaran

December 29th, 2010, 07:42 AM

Hello Everyone,

I am Khirubagaran, new to this forum. I wanted to congratulate all the members for keeping this thread active and also for posting vital information which is very necessary for public.

Regards,
Khiruba

Mad 4 Madras

December 29th, 2010, 09:17 AM

^^ Welcome to SSC :cheers:

Mad 4 Madras

December 29th, 2010, 09:21 AM

The raods appeared wide and clean for the small population of those days. Automobiles like cars were luxuries reserved for a select few. Even in those photos above, you can see people crossing the road everywhere. It worked when the population was less.

The trouble is that we continue to live exactly the same way even after swelling beyond 7 Million.

All of us still want to walk and cross anywhere
we still want to drive our millions of vehicles in exactly the same way as we did when there were just a few hundereds or thousands of them
We still want to throw all our garbage on the roads - despite goods growing multiple times, despite new kinds of rubbish like plastic covers having come into use
Last but not the least, our government still wants to pretend that it is governing over a city of a few lakhs and not a few million.

I'm so sorry for going so much off topic - but couldn't resist it.
+ We still want all the infra to be built overnight on the same cost of 1980's and more of it, people don't want to increase even Re.1 on tickets be it for any.
One visible change, those days people got veshti, thundu free now they get TVs, Gas connection, mobiles free :lol::lol:

venkatm

December 29th, 2010, 11:26 AM

folks need to wait until pongal to get 50Rs of rice, jaggery, dal free. Also a saree and veshti for 32 million people (3.2 crores)

Not sure how so many people lower their self respect and accept these! 60 years after independence and you cannot feed or clothe yourself

satchitananda

December 29th, 2010, 01:58 PM

Hail the Indians. :D :D

Chennai Indian Jalra Band & co :lol:

(jk)

Doraman

December 29th, 2010, 06:46 PM

satchitananda

December 29th, 2010, 08:47 PM

SOURCE: (http://www.hindu.com/2010/12/30/stories/2010123053580400.htm)

The Madras High Court on Wednesday issued notice to the Tamil Nadu government, Chennai Metro Rail Ltd and Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences University (TANUVAS) on a petition seeking to restrain the Metro Rail from entering 9.912 acres of land and premises of the Institute of Poultry Production Management (IPPM) at Nandanam.

A Division Bench comprising Justices P. Jothimani and K.B.K. Vasuki also posted the matter to January 3, for further hearing the petition filed by Chennai-based advocate B. Ramesh Babu.

Mr. Babu said that only a few days were left for the Metro Rail to enter the premises since it had already asked the TANUVAS to hand over the land before December 30, 2010.

He said the Metro Rail had taken advantage of the order issued by the Secretary, Planning, Development and Special Initiatives Department of the State government.

Describing as “ill-conceived idea” the decision of the State government to hand over the land, he said it would completely destroy rare varieties of birds maintained by the TANUVAS for research purposes, scientific hi-tech plants, incubators, birds that were in hatchery and the research going on for years. He said if the pending research was disturbed, it would mean beginning from scratch and that would take several decades for scientific results.

Stating that handing over the land was a Himalayan task, he said in a very short time the study of the students of various courses should be rearranged.

The germplasms of several lakhs of chickens, Japanese quails, thousands of turkey and guinea fowls, variety of birds in hatchery, eggs in hi-tech incubators, several hundreds of spotted deer and rare birds habituating for several decades cannot be relocated.

Mr. Babu also argued that the order of the Planning, Development and Special Initiatives Department was illegal since the properties of the universities were not the properties of the State government.

He also alleged that the object of the railway station being constructed in those lands was for the exclusive benefit of certain groups of corporate offices, but not to the benefit of general public.

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Failure of the government to take TANUVAS into confidence or is it over confidence that as government they can do anything ?? Anycase.. lets pray the delay is minimal and doesnt hurt the big dates.

Mad 4 Madras

December 30th, 2010, 07:23 AM

^^ First KICK for Metro! :ohno:

wlbkng

December 30th, 2010, 08:45 AM

engineer.akash

December 30th, 2010, 08:52 AM

SOURCE: (http://www.hindu.com/2010/12/30/stories/2010123053580400.htm)
Describing as “ill-conceived idea” the decision of the State government to hand over the land, he said it would completely destroy rare varieties of birds maintained by the TANUVAS for research purposes, scientific hi-tech plants, incubators, birds that were in hatchery and the research going on for years. He said if the pending research was disturbed, it would mean beginning from scratch and that would take several decades for scientific results.

What are they going to do with those useless research activities :nuts:

venkatm

December 30th, 2010, 08:56 AM

I support the university. Metro does not certainly need 9 acres for an office space or station. They are taking the easy way out and couple of parks in Shenoy nagar have also been taken over.

TShyam

December 30th, 2010, 10:30 AM

What are they going to do with those useless research activities :nuts:

useless research activities? Shall we demolish the research institutes in India and build metros? Particularly considering that almost all research institutes are situated in metros and occupying prime land?

dhandapanik

December 30th, 2010, 12:28 PM

What are they going to do with those useless research activities :nuts:

Why are you calling them as useless? IIT madras and Anna university has good chunk of land in chennai.. can we throw them out because they are doing research activites? they are not useless sir...

satchitananda

December 30th, 2010, 02:49 PM

What are they going to do with those useless research activities :nuts:

Even if the research is ill conceived, without proper process, anyone (Even Government) cannot grab the lands. Thank god that the Judicial leg of democracy is still alive.

ChennaiIndian

December 30th, 2010, 04:35 PM

What are they going to do with those useless research activities :nuts:
Probably we can close ISRO too bcoz most of the time, we import from Russia!! :lol:

Vijayindchn

December 30th, 2010, 08:49 PM

Yes, we can stop them from wasting our money on GSLV rockets.(reminds me of Diwali fireworks) :nuts:|:|

bonoslack7

December 31st, 2010, 05:22 AM

http://expressbuzz.com/cities/chennai/veterinarians-shocked-over-metro-rail%E2%80%99s-claim/235629.html

A day after the HC ordered notice to the government over a notification transferring 9.912 acres of land in Nandanam belonging to Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences University (TANUVAS) to the Chennai Metro Rail Limited (CMRL), the CMRL has planted its board on the campus claiming ownership of the land evoking sharp reactions from staff and students.

Teachers, research students and staff of the Institute of Poultry Production and Management have expressed shock at the move, even as the High Court had sought a hearing from the government on Monday.

The veterinarians said the campus housed Japanese Quail, chicken, turkey and Guinea pigs each, and spotted dear.

“According to the guidelines of the Veterinary Council of India the poultry farms of the veterinary universities should be within seven km radius. The Nandanam campus falls within seven km of the university in Vepery,” said a senior veterinarian from the institute.

The government’s proposal of shifting the Institute to Kancheepuram district would be a violation of the guidelines of the VCI. The Madras High Court had sent a notice to the government to respond on January 3.

The facility at Nandanam is not just a research centre for Post Graduate or doctoral students of MVSC. It also acts as a training institute said a veterinarian on condition of anonymity.

Apart from being home to several Central government projects, the institute also manufactures and markets poultry feed bringing in Rs 4 crore of revenue every year, he said. When contacted over phone, S Krishna Moorthy, General Manager-Public Relations, CMRL, said the university had already handed over the land to CMRL, which has now been taken over.

Murali Bala

December 31st, 2010, 11:18 AM

Chennai Metro is prestigious project and with all kindness to animal Welfare these institutes should be located far away from the city. Necessary infra need to be created for them to move. Shifting the Zoo near Central station to Vandalur was a right descison so that it will allow both Animals an man to live in peace. Let's see how the Gov't handles this.

TShyam

December 31st, 2010, 03:21 PM

TShyam

December 31st, 2010, 03:25 PM

Now CMRL has shot itself in its foot by creating a ruckus after a court notice was served. They will most probably be at the receiving end from the judiciary. All either because of ego of a petty person or due to total breakdown of communication along its hierarchy. :ohno:

dr_thapalathy

December 31st, 2010, 03:43 PM

wlbkng

December 31st, 2010, 03:53 PM

It is turning out to be a ego fight between the two. If I remember correctly, this campus extends all the way from Chamier's road to Cenotaph lane in the mount road - A distance of around 1 km. There should be enough space for both. I hope better sense prevail.

Anyway I dont understand what CMRL needs 10 acres for? People should also understand that its a veterinary university for which the college is at Vepery (near Dhina Thanthi). Asking the research centre to move 50 km away is suicidal. Its like having a medical college at one place and its hospital 50 km away. Its not feasible. If anyone should compromise, it should be CMRL. Let SG identify another land for them if the impasse continues.

May be TANUVAS should shift its entire campus in both vepery and nandanam to its livestock research campus at Kattupakkam near Guduvancheri. The site is very big, next to SRM and well connected. It also has land for future expansion scope. And with the cost of selling/leasing its lands it can get huge money and can build new facilities in its kattupakkam campus which is not so far away from its nandanam campus. for someone's sake it can retain some portion of its existing land and make it function as a main office or something like that. remember that i am not telling to stop their research, i am suggesting to consolidate all their activities at one place, bigger and better..

Raji7373

January 1st, 2011, 11:06 AM

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=TOICH&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

TShyam

January 1st, 2011, 12:52 PM

May be TANUVAS should shift its entire campus in both vepery and nandanam to its livestock research campus at Kattupakkam near Guduvancheri. The site is very big, next to SRM and well connected. It also has land for future expansion scope. And with the cost of selling/leasing its lands it can get huge money and can build new facilities in its kattupakkam campus which is not so far away from its nandanam campus. for someone's sake it can retain some portion of its existing land and make it function as a main office or something like that. remember that i am not telling to stop their research, i am suggesting to consolidate all their activities at one place, bigger and better..

Shifting a life sciences lab is not easy. Now that the matter is in court, let us hope an informed decision is made. Actually the university has consented to giving away 3 acres. So there is some common ground between both parties. So I am sure this matter will be resolved amicably. Anyway there is nothing to worry about this delaying the metro project. This is in the underground portion and even the tenders for tunneling has not been published. So this particular problem wont delay the commissioning.

I am actually more worried about

1) Pace of construction of Koyambedu yard. This would be the most important bottleneck for commissioning the stretch 1. It is scheduled to be completed in end 2013. If this construction is done on schedule, we will most probably see metro running by 2014.
2) Vadapalani flyover construction. There is no construction for a distance of almost 1 km from Vadapalani station to Lakshman Shruthi jn. This has the potential to derail the opening.
3) OTA to Airport. Although CMRL didnt commit to opening this stretch, (only Saidapet to OTA in corridor 1 for inauguration) it will make much more sense if this 4 km stretch is also opened. Along with Koyambedu - St. Thomas Mount in corridor 2, a large ridership can be expected right from the start.

@ Raji
Thats the link to TOI Chennai edition. What news do you want the forummers to look at?

wlbkng

January 1st, 2011, 03:31 PM

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Daily/skins/TOINEW/navigator.asp?Daily=TOICH&showST=true&login=default&pub=TOI

I think TOI epaper is paid service so not all can see it.. may be u should write the gist of news here..

Raji7373

January 1st, 2011, 06:49 PM

^^Nope..It is not a paid service. Everyone can read it.

Anyway here is the news..

Chennai: Chennai Metro Rail Ltd (CMRL) on Thursday took possession of a 10-acre plot of land that housed the Poultry Research Centre affiliated to the Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences University at Nandanam. The land was handed over based on a state government order after approval from the university.
A board at the gate of the campus now states that the property belongs to Chennai Metro Rail.
CMRL occupied the land as per schedule after the Madras high court refused to stay a state government order to hand over the land for the rail project. The petitioner had claimed that the 350 trees on the campus would be felled and that rare birds and animals would be affected.
A Chennai Metro Rail official said that “the land will be used to build headquarters and the central control unit. The entry and exit of metro’s Nandanam underground station will be built on the campus and space provided for buses to come in and pick commuters.”
Metro rail is also planning a massive multi-storeyed parking complex on the land as “this will be the only vast space we will be getting for a parking facility on Anna Salai. This will help commuters leave their vehicles and board metro trains to travel to different parts of the city,” he added.
Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences University authorities confirmed that a board had been installed on the premises stating that the site had been allotted for the Metro Rail project. Pointing out that the campus was home to 130 deer of a rare species, they said the agency was required to get clearance from the Ministry of Environment and Forests (MoEF) to construct a building here. Not only was there no clearance, the campus also housed a newly-constructed and yet-to-be inaugurated building and equipment worth 450 crore. It also functioned as a much-needed green lung in the area, they noted. When contacted, TANUVAS vice-chancellor R Prabakaran said the matter was sub-judice and did not wish to comment.
Metro rail is now planning to initiate preliminary works to finalise locations of each facility, prepare drawings and other works before tenders can be called for construction. It also plans to take into consideration future expansion of the network also.
“Metro is going to be the future mode of mass transport system for the city. More corridors are going to be added to the existing network. So, we are going to design the Metro headquarters in such a way that it is capable of housing all departments and facilities that we may require in the coming years,” said an official.
An official said a separate tender would be floated to build the headquarters that would be as snazzy and massive as the one for Delhi Metro rail.

Ashis Mitra

January 2nd, 2011, 12:36 PM

So far I’ve collected the information about Chennai tram:-

1) At first it was the only electric tram system of India which used conduit, but later changed to overhead wire. It was also the oldest electric tram of India.
2) The service closed in 1955 due to labour strike.
3) A tram line ran from Luz and went all the way to Royapettah High Road, down General Patters Road — neither of which were broad — then joined Mount Road, crossed the Cooum River and finally ended up at Parry’s Corner. Another main tram line went down Broadway.
4) Some trams took slightly longer routes like between Custom House and Mylapore, Custom House and Barber's Bridge, Washermanpet and Purasawalkam, Royapuram and Egmore.
5) Others were shorter like Central to Elephant Gate on Waltax Road and Simpsons to Chintadripet along Harris Road. Tram service was also in George Town. Further down one could spot the Corporation fruit market, Central telephone Exchange, Flower bazaar, Parry's and CO's Warehouse, Ramakrishna Lunch Home, the YMCA building and Modern Cafe... landmarks that are still standing straight.
From Pachiappa's the tram would make a journey passing the General Hospital, over the Cooum, past the Railway Booking Office and Ripon Building, and into Mount Road to Royapettah before reaching Luz. The ride would take less than an hour. The tram was quite a popular mode of transport with the bus service not being nationalized. In fact, at that time, buses ran on charcoal power, not petrol!
The ticket to Mylapore was just two annas and a return ticket, three annas! On Sundays, you could travel throughout the day to any chosen destination, for just six annas! The monthly season ticket was RS. 6 for a specific route while it was RS. 10 for any route.
The tram was driven by electric motors with power fed from overhead cables. The conductor and the driver wore khaki uniforms and once in a while, an Inspector would board the tram for ticket checking. When he finished his task, he would wait for another tram to pass by in the opposite direction and skillfully swing from one tram to the other... an event we youngsters would wait for!
Trams were inaugurated in Chennai in 1885, and were run by a UK- based company. In 1904, the Chennai Electric Tramways was formed which operated till 1953, when labour problems led to its closure.
Those were wonderful days when life progressed with an even tenor, no rush or speed and not much crowds on the streets. The cost of living was very low and public facilities fairly reasonable. Above all, people were understanding and sympathetic, respected one another and led a simple life.
- The tram was driven by electric motors with power fed from overhead cables.
- It had small diameter wheels, their rims running along grooves on steel rails embedded on the tarmac road.
- There was no horn. The driver would bang his floor on the pedal which would produce a clanging sound. That was the warning signal.
- There is a control handle for accelerating and a brass handle pivoted to the tram floor for applying brakes.
-The tram rails were never removed. They have been interred deep down by successive laying of roads.
- There were two tracks, one each for to and for transit and one overhead feeder wire per track.
- Trams were introduced in the UK- Six years after they were introduced in India, and 10 years later in the US
Trams were a popular and cheap mode of transport in Chennai during the 1940s.
I’ve tried my best. At last three requests –
1) Can anybody draw a map of that network after following my descriptions of routes> and post here?
2) What is the current situation of those places, which I’ve posted before?
3) Which places will be served by metro, which once served by tram? e.g. – central, egmore..?

coolmukund

January 2nd, 2011, 07:11 PM

PlaneMad

January 2nd, 2011, 07:57 PM

1) Can anybody draw a map of that network after following my descriptions of routes> and post here?
2) What is the current situation of those places, which I’ve posted before?
3) Which places will be served by metro, which once served by tram? e.g. – central, egmore..?

Awesome work collecting the info, if you can add all this to a wikipedia page, along with links to the sources it will be of great reference in the future. I'll make a map of it soon enough.

I've heard that the tram lines are still buried under these roads and were never dismantled. Seems like a stretch, but its actually possible considering the corporation likes to lay roads one on top of the other. does anyone have a confirmation of this?

The only remaining artifact from the trams that i've seen in the city are a couple poles that supported the overhead cables, i've seen this on laws bridge opposite ripon building ( http://osm.org/go/y4ZDZKN6S- )

gnams

January 3rd, 2011, 10:45 AM

That was really nice to read. Does this mean that Chennai had one of the First tramway in the world? This may not be an appropriate forum to discuss that. Chennai Discussions thread or Chennai Suburban thread will be good i guess.

yes, i have read somewhere (dont remember exactly, cud be in the hindu's madras miscellanies) that the British implemented Tram service in madras even before they implemented the same in London.

TShyam

January 3rd, 2011, 01:45 PM

There are many things in which Chennai has a pride of place. The first female doctor graduated out of MMC before Britain produced its first female medical graduate.

venkatm

January 3rd, 2011, 02:53 PM

Guys, the thread is getting derailed....

think_different

January 4th, 2011, 02:21 AM

CHENNAI: Designs for the proposed metro stations, some of which were recently reviewed by experts, fall short in terms of linkages with the adjacent areas, facility for smooth drop off points, parking, and provision for vertical movement. These deficiencies will impede efficient functioning of stations and affect transportation around the station areas, feel experts.

Redesigning the station entry points, repositioning the lifts for better circulation, improving service roads that bring vehicular traffic to the station are some of the measures suggested. Access to stations has been determined by the extent of land available rather than convenience, say sources familiar with the design process. For instance, the design for the Ashok Nagar station, proposed near Ashok Pillar, has better access from the Police Training College side, while the other entry point near the Udhayam Theatre complex has been constrained by the limited space available. The need to integrate this station with transportation projects such as the proposed Bus Rapid Transit system has been emphasised...

more on hindu (http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/04/stories/2011010454650100.htm)

Mad 4 Madras

January 4th, 2011, 12:21 PM

^^
http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00335/th04_metrorailstati_335891f.jpg
Source (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1030533.ece)

ChennaiMyCity

January 4th, 2011, 12:23 PM

happened to goto Airport last night, seems some more barricades come up after kathipara towards Airport.
the barricades was really long for about a kilometer.
I hope the work will start in few days.

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 02:30 PM

^^ Work upto OTA has already been allotted to L&T. This stretch will be opened along with the elevated portions of corridor 2 initially. I think you saw barricades in that part. Bcoz project from OTA to airport has not yet been awarded.

nandan_ks

January 4th, 2011, 03:24 PM

When did the construction begin for Chennai Metro?

Indian Sun

January 4th, 2011, 03:42 PM

Soil testing started on 10th June 2009. Piling began around February 2010. (I think so, someone please correct me if I'm wrong)

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 03:49 PM

Yep, you are right. State govt approval given in Nov 07, inauguration ceremony and soil testing in June 09, piling work began in Feb 10.

Doraman

January 4th, 2011, 06:18 PM

May be TANUVAS should shift its entire campus in both vepery and nandanam to its livestock research campus at Kattupakkam near Guduvancheri. The site is very big, next to SRM and well connected. It also has land for future expansion scope. And with the cost of selling/leasing its lands it can get huge money and can build new facilities in its kattupakkam campus which is not so far away from its nandanam campus. for someone's sake it can retain some portion of its existing land and make it function as a main office or something like that. remember that i am not telling to stop their research, i am suggesting to consolidate all their activities at one place, bigger and better..

There should be multi storied skyscraper considering the extent of land avialable. The metro station is underground.
The station should actually be in the basement of a skyscraper. So that offices could be located in multiple skyscrapers around. There should be a heavy premium for bringing in cars inside the offices here to avoid traffic pile up.

Having a metro station below a mall, office space is really smart in the sense one provide connectiviely where there are people. Since we have a land that can be developed from scratch, we can unlock the potential.

A golden opportunity to unlock the scare land available. Also it makes a lot of sense to have public transport made available where there is high concentration of workers. If there is no office space within then people anyway would require a bus transport to move from nandam metro to near by office location.

Still people would be moving to office outside the metro skyscraper, but government could change the proportion which would really unlock the value of the metro system ultimately. refer picture, a neat place for 2 100+ floor skyscraper! Any takers?

Even if we cannot implement immediately, we should atleast provide provisions to make a skyscraper later.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3586/nandanammetro.jpg

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 09:19 PM

Delhi Metro - govt approval in March 95, construction began in Oct 98
Mumbai metro - govt approval in June 04, construction started Feb 08.
Bangalore metro - govt approval in March 05, construction began in Apr 07
Hyderabad metro - govt approval in Jan 07, contractor L&T in the process of achieving financial closure - construction to begin soon.
Chennai metro - govt approval in Nov 07, construction began in Jun 09.

wlbkng

January 4th, 2011, 09:26 PM

^^ So technically we are quicker in approval to start phase.. Hmmm good for chennai!

Abhishek901

January 4th, 2011, 09:27 PM

Jaipur was even faster.

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 09:38 PM

But Jaipur is only 9 kms. All the above are comparable (Thats why I didnt include Kolkata - Its only 14 km). I am sure they will complete Jaipur much faster than other metros.

Kewl Batty

January 4th, 2011, 09:51 PM

^^ But seems like Soma is gonna miss its deadline which is Feb 2011. I'd be surprised if they can complete their work before that which looks impossible coz no pillars have come up in CMBT area afaik. Wats the progess in that stretch?

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 09:55 PM

^^
I too am not in Chennai right now but I dont think there is any problem in that stretch. If not feb, they will complete it in may/jun. Not a big deal. I am more worried about Vadapalani flyover. No work whatsoever for about 600 - 700 meters from Vadapalani station to Lakshman Shruthi Jn. I dont know whether Soma is responsible for completing that. Without knowing the alignment of the proposed flyover how would they do it?

CGMaurya

January 4th, 2011, 10:31 PM

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 11:10 PM

^^
I know. But,foundation stone laying is just political gimmick. It can be done whenever they want. Thats why I choose govt approval date. Its a objective way of evaluating how fast the work is progressing.

TShyam

January 4th, 2011, 11:21 PM

^^ http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Mumbai_Metro_work_begins_after_a_delay_of_19_months/articleshow/2768273.cms

Construction start was Feb 8 2008 to be exact. You can also go through page 12 - 14 in Mumbai metro thread to get a detailed picture.

coolmukund

January 5th, 2011, 06:13 AM

TShyam

January 5th, 2011, 09:12 AM

Thanks for the news. Thats a huge relief. How many pillars have been topped with viaducts? How many pillars in the Guindy SPIC region? Dying to see some digital updates.

madrasi7777

January 5th, 2011, 10:08 AM

coolmukund

January 5th, 2011, 04:54 PM

Thanks for the news. Thats a huge relief. How many pillars have been topped with viaducts? How many pillars in the Guindy SPIC region? Dying to see some digital updates.

I think 9 pillars have been topped. The pace is very good

Actually 8 pillars have been completely topped out. the work is on finish the 9th pillar. it should be done by Friday i guess.

TShyam

January 5th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Actually 8 pillars have been completely topped out. the work is on finish the 9th pillar. it should be done by Friday i guess.

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k379/NFDB/Brahmanandam%20-7/brahmi127.gif

Thank you :)

Vijayindchn

January 5th, 2011, 06:49 PM

Soma has started the Gantry crane erection work near Vadapalani Apollo Clinic for laying of viaducts on the Vadapalani - Ashok Pillar Stretch.

coolmukund

January 6th, 2011, 05:45 AM

Soma has started the Gantry crane erection work near Vadapalani Apollo Clinic for laying of viaducts on the Vadapalani - Ashok Pillar Stretch.

Yes, that is one update i missed out on, yesterday. for those who don't know where the exact place is, they have started installing the crane on the "tall" pillars in lakshman shruthi musicals signal.

Thanks for the update anyways. :)

Gansan

January 6th, 2011, 06:56 AM

How many pillars in the Guindy SPIC region? Dying to see some digital updates.

The fifth pillar was filled with concrete between Spic - Halda junction last night. There is a sixth skeleton remaining. Three more skeletons are observed on the racecourse side of the Guindy flyover. And two more opposite the St Thomas Mount Post office. The work on this stretch up to OTA seems to be picking up speed.

Mad 4 Madras

January 6th, 2011, 08:59 AM

^^ These small updates makes up this thread, but with fotos it will be even better.

TShyam

January 6th, 2011, 09:05 AM

Thanks guys. Great updates. Keep them coming.

Gansan

January 6th, 2011, 12:18 PM

^^ These small updates makes up this thread, but with fotos it will be even better.

I find it cumbersome to upload pictures to this forum. It does not allow me to upload directly from my computer, like some other forums where I am a member.

coolmukund

January 6th, 2011, 05:12 PM

also around 8 to 9 pillars have been completed in ekkatuthangal/ambal nagar.

madrasi7777

January 7th, 2011, 09:09 AM

The finish of these pillars are much better than the ones of the 100 feet road. Looks like L & T are doing a good job .

also around 8 to 9 pillars have been completed in ekkatuthangal/ambal nagar.

think_different

January 7th, 2011, 01:47 PM

English summary
Chennai Metro train to be extended upto Poonamallee. Governor Barnala said this in his adderss in TN assembly today. He said, Chennai Metro's 2nd phase will include Thirumangalam, Moolakdadai, Thiruvanmiyur, Luzz, Iyappanthangal and Poonamallee. The project will be reviwed soon and implemented, he said.

http://thatstamil.oneindia.in/news/2011/01/07/chennai-metro-train-be-extended-upto-poonamallee.html

TShyam

January 7th, 2011, 02:15 PM

The routes planned are
1. Moolakadai - Thirumangalam
2. Moolakadai - Thiruvanmiyur
3. Luz - Poonamalee via Iyappanthangal.

Good that Arcot road is considered. But why are they neglecting Thirumangalam - Mogappair - Ambattur?

If they are considering upto Luz, then they should interconnect it with Mylapore MRTS which is just a furlong away.

All in all good routes - DPR preparation should start fast.

darkprinz

January 7th, 2011, 06:54 PM

Will it pass through Ashok pillar or t.nagar by any chance ??? am asking about luz-poonamalee route ...

TShyam

January 7th, 2011, 07:05 PM

Will it pass through Ashok pillar or t.nagar by any chance ??? am asking about luz-poonamalee route ...

I have already speculated on this route a few months back (sept 23) based on the previous feasibility study.

I think the most congested lines that should be taken up in the next phase should be

1)Porur - Alwarthirunagar (along Arcot road) - Virugambakkam - KK nagar - Ashok nagar (IC with line 2) - Mambalam (IC with suburb) - Panangal park - Thyagaraya road - Teynampet (IC with line 1) - Eldams Road - Luz road - Thirumailai (IC with MRTS) - Kutchery road - Kamaraj salai (20 kms approx)
2) Thirumangalam (IC with line 2)- Mogappair - Ambattur Ind.Estate - Ambattur R.S (IC with suburb) - 9 km approx.

If these two lines are done, Ampa mall will be connected with the important areas you mentioned. The line if its through Nelson Manickam road will lead to the duplication of the Nungambakkam - Mambalam section of the suburb and is a waste of money. Connecting it to EW corridor at Ashok Nagar to travel to T.Nagar will be better.

In the Line 1, add - Poonamalee - Iyapanthangal - Porur, then I think they will follow the route as indicated upto Luz road. I feel they should extend it till Mailai MRTS which is just opp Luz. The line will most probably link with southwest - suburban at Mambalam station and will also have a station at panangal park/pondy bazar.

Kathir

January 7th, 2011, 09:15 PM

The finish of these pillars are much better than the ones of the 100 feet road. Looks like L & T are doing a good job .

I feel the stretches under L&T are coming up very fast than that of Soma's, except the hold up section from OTA to airport.

TShyam

January 7th, 2011, 09:16 PM

^^
OTA to airport is not yet awarded.

bonoslack7

January 7th, 2011, 09:22 PM

http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/08/stories/2011010852780400.htm

The Tamil Nadu government on Friday announced that under the second phase of the Metro Rail, a project study would be taken up to establish links between Moolakkadai-Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai-Thiruvanmiyur and Luz-Poonamallee through Iyyappanthangal.

In his address to the State Assembly, Governor Surjit Singh Barnala said the earlier project was progressing at a fast pace and the government was taking efforts for its extension up to Tiruvottiyur at an estimated cost of Rs 3,001 crore.

“I urge the Centre to continue the financial assistance for the project,” he said.

The Governor also announced the government's decision to set up a world-class Mega Science City in Chennai by bringing together more than 69 institutions of advanced research institutions such as Anna University and Indian Institute of Technology (IIT).

This Science City, he said, would flourish as a pristine centre, facilitating higher scientific research to encourage younger generation in advancing their knowledge leading to scientific inventions in future. A government arts and science college would be established between East Coast Road and Rajiv Gandhi Road (OMR) at Nemmeli in Kancheepuram district.

A special tourism development project for beautification of tourist centres and improvement of basic facilities along the East Coast Corridor and the southern tourist circuit would be implemented on an outlay of Rs 450 crore. The financial assistance will come from Asian Development Bank.

The Governor said it would require Rs. 15,000 crore for providing basic amenities such as drinking water, roads, drainage, solid waste management and streetlights in Chennai and adjoining suburban areas. Besides towns, which serve as growth centres and fall within the districts of Tiruvallur, Kancheepuram, the Corporations of Madurai, Coimbatore, Tiruchi, Tirunelveli and the newly established corporations such as Erode, Tirupur, Vellore, Tuticorin and all municipalities in the State, would be covered in the next 5 years.

The funds would be mobilised from their own resources, besides getting financial assistance from international funding agencies.

satchitananda

January 7th, 2011, 09:43 PM

They left Ambattur-Thirumangalam connection.:bash:

Wonder if Molakadai-Thirumangalam will be the same to be extended to Thiruvanmiyur ?

Hope they are different. That way we can get more infrastrucutre.

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 04:05 AM

Linking far-off neighbourhoods
Metro Rail’s Phase 2 Looks To Connect Areas That Have Poor Road Connectivity
Julie Mariappan| TNN

In the relatively under-developed areas of Moolakadai, Poonamallee, Red Hills and Iyyappanthangal, the plan to integrate the north-western belt with the southern part through three additional Metro rail lines is being seen as a boon. There are sceptics too with some residents wondering if the plan will be feasible at all. The proposed rail lines, they say, will pass through highly-congested areas.

“The proposed rail link will be a blessing for this part of Chennai, which has been neglected all these years by the various government agencies. Public transport is inadequate and locals depend on share autos and maxi cabs which make a killing,” says S Shanmugam of KKR Town in Moolakadai.

For long, poor road connectivity and inadequate bus services have forced thousands of residents in areas such as Moolakadai, Madhavaram, Mathur and Manali off the Grand Northern Trunk Road to rely mostly on private transport. They also depend on Basin Bridge or Perambur railway stations to move on to interior parts of the city.

Jawaharlal Nehru Salai or Inner Ring Road has become heavily congested and several intersections in the area, including Tirumangalam, experience traffic chaos all through the day. According to a recent government study, Tirumangalam tops the list of heavily-congested traffic junctions.

Many in the area are happy with the move to link their areas with the developed areas. “We are glad north Chennai is getting its due. The state has to ensure overall development of the city instead of concentrating development in a couple of neighbourhoods in south Chennai,” says T Rajkumar of the North Chennai People’s Rights Federation. “Moving to the Luz junction in south Chennai from Moolakadai in under an hour during peak hours is unthinkable,” he adds.

With several areas being cut off from the main roads by railway tracks and the linking projects taken up by the state government and the railways going at a snail’s pace, many residents say execution of the proposed Metro rail link will serve the purpose. The foundation for the Villivakkam subway project was laid in 2006 but it is yet to be realised. Flyover projects at Vysarpadi, Tirumangalam, Porur and Moolakadai are expected to take years to complete.

According to Prof T Sivanandan of IIT-Madras’ Transportation Engineering Division, a network of Metro rails should be created. Development should not be confine to one or two corridors. “It has to be on the lines of road network to help the public get easy access. Or else, areas close to Jawaharlal Nehru Salai, EVR Salai and Anna Salai will alone benefit,” he said. Public transport, according to the CMDA, accounts for just 29% of the city’s population. The rest is taken care of by private modes of transport.

Meanwhile, the apprehensions over the feasibility of the project are growing. “Instead of pooling in more funds for the development of city, the government could have focussed on the development of suburbs. The proposed scheme will invite more migration to the city, furthering the chaos. In the absence of any deterrence against acquiring cars and twowheelers, the problem will continue to grow,” says A Narayanan, social activist and resident of Virugambakkam.

Easing Commuter Woes

• Presently, residents in areas such as Moolakadai, Madhavaram, Mathur and Manali off the Grand Northern Trunk Road rely mostly on private transport

• Some are sceptical and wonder if the plan will be feasible at all. The proposed rail lines, they say, will pass through highly-congested areas

• Public transport, according to the CMDA, accounts for just 29% of the city’s population. The rest is taken care of by private modes of transport

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2011/01/08/2/Img/Pc0020900.jpg

Source:Times of India (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2011/01/08&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00200&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T)

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 04:10 AM

Metro rail to ready detailed project report in a year
V Ayyappan | TNN

Chennai: Chennai metro rail is all set to kick off a study to prepare a detailed project report (DPR) to build three new lines under phase two of the project, as the state government has decided to expand the metro network to the farther corners of the city.

Sources said that new lines will link Moolakadai-Tirumangalam, Moolakadai-Tiruvanmiyur and Luz-Poonamallee via Iyyappanthangal.

Chennai metro rail will start the study in a month and will complete it in a year.

The three new lines would bring far-off neighbourhoods like Ambattur, Red Hills, Iyyappanthangal and hitherto unconnected neighbourhoods inside the city like Kilpauk into the metro and suburban rail network.

Moolakadai to Tirumangalam line will be constructed via Red Hills, Ambattur and Mogappair while Moolakadai-Tiruvanmiyur line will pass through Perambur, Kilpauk, Gemini and Luz. Luz to Poonamallee line will pass through Teynampet, T Nagar, Vadapalani, Saligramam and Iyyappanthangal.

Though the routes have been identified based on a prima facie feasibility study, metro rail is yet to finalise the alignment and the stretches of the sections that are going to be underground and elevated. However, a senior government official said that Moolakadai to Tirumangalam line would be largely elevated while the other two corridors would be mainly underground.

Nevertheless, routes and locations might change according to the local feasibility which would focus on the nature of the area and its population, he added.

As the route pass through congested localities and also along roads that have flyovers, the routes may not stick to the main road as is the case with the two metro corridors being constructed under phase one of the project in the city.

“The routes may deviate from the road at some points. This will depend on the availability of land,” another official said.

The cost of the project would also be decided after the DPR was ready. The alignment of new lines are currently fixed in such a way that it would help to further the seamless integration of different public transit modes.

For the first time in the country, the first two corridors of metro rail, which is being constructed at a cost of 14,600 crore, links suburban rail network and Mass Rapid Transit System (MRTS) at St Thomas Mount, long distance bus services at Koyembedu and airport. The government is also taking action for extension of metro rail up to Tiruvottiyur at an estimated cost of 3,001 crore.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2011/01/08/2/Img/Pc0021000.jpg
ON TRACK: The work on Metro Rail phase one currently underway on 100 Feet Road in Vadapalani

Source: Times of India (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2011/01/08&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00203&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T)

TShyam

January 8th, 2011, 04:14 AM

Please give the source too :)

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 04:19 AM

^^
Done

TShyam

January 8th, 2011, 04:19 AM

“Instead of pooling in more funds for the development of city, the government could have focussed on the development of suburbs. The proposed scheme will invite more migration to the city, furthering the chaos. In the absence of any deterrence against acquiring cars and twowheelers, the problem will continue to grow,” says A Narayanan, social activist and resident of Virugambakkam.

What to do with these "activists"? If it is congested, they say we want metro to reduce congestion. If the metro comes, they say it will lead to more congestion. What do they want? What are they thinking? It seems the whole purpose of them being "activists" is to get their name into a newspaper.

Vadivel solra maathiri "chaavadikaraingale"

vijayvmail

January 8th, 2011, 04:58 AM

dr_thapalathy

January 8th, 2011, 05:11 AM

^^

At this stage in TamilNadu politics, I'm just cuatiously optimistic about these plans. The elections are just around the corner and until the model code of conduct kicks in, we are going to see lots of large scale ambitious announcements.

Only the post election scenario will tell how many of these are actually going to take off.

Right now, the good thing is that the first two lines have taken off quite well and I keep my fingers crossed that they continue to move so.

Anything else depends on who comes to power in june.

I think that what you are telling will not be the case with Metro Rail projects. Largely they may slow down to a bit extent. But not like IR/SR projects in TN. So, any project private players takeup will appear as completed very soon for us.

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 05:20 AM

As i had said, the 9th pillar was also topped out by the viaduct yesterday and work is now on to reach the 10th pillar.

Arul Murugan

January 8th, 2011, 05:27 AM

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2011/01/08/2/Img/Pc0020900.jpg

Source:Times of India (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2011/01/08&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00200&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T)

Moolakkadai - Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai -
Thiruvanmiyur and Luz – Poonamallee via
Ayyapanthangal.

They have plans to abandon the MRTS b/w Thiruvanmiyur and Mylapore? I don't see why another metro line should run parallel to MRTS when it has not reached the congestion.

Now MRTS handles only 1lakhs passenger per day... Surely it can handle more and more!

Mylapore-Moolakadai line needed one for connecting south with north west.

Transit will be:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Thousand light, Chengalpattu Suburban/PH Metro-Chetpet or Egmore??, Arrakonam suburban - Perambur

Also Mylapore-Ponamallae much needed one for west-east connection

Transit:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Teynampet, Chengalpattu Suburban-Mambalam/T.nagar, IRR/PH metro - Vadapalani??

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b/w Thirumangalam-Moolakadai should be a part of corridor II construction of phase I i.e phase I they should have considered three corridors:

1. Anna Salai Metro -Thiruvotiyyur to Airport via Central/Anna Salai
2. PH road Metro - Central to Poonamallae and further extension to SRPD in future.
3. IRR Metro - St.Thomas mt to Moolakadai or Madhavaram and further extension to Thiruvottiyur

Now why they are considering a small branch from T.mangalam to Moolakadai?:ohno:

TShyam

January 8th, 2011, 06:02 AM

Moolakkadai - Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai -
Thiruvanmiyur and Luz – Poonamallee via
Ayyapanthangal.

They have plans to abandon the MRTS b/w Thiruvanmiyur and Mylapore? I don't see why another metro line should run parallel to MRTS when it has not reached the congestion.

Now MRTS handles only 1lakhs passenger per day... Surely it can handle more and more!

Mylapore-Moolakadai line needed one for connecting south with north west.

Transit will be:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Thousand light, Chengalpattu Suburban/PH Metro-Chetpet or Egmore??, Arrakonam suburban - Perambur

Also Mylapore-Ponamallae much needed one for west-east connection

Transit:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Teynampet, Chengalpattu Suburban-Mambalam/T.nagar, IRR/PH metro - Vadapalani??

---------------------------------------------------------------------

b/w Thirumangalam-Moolakadai should be a part of corridor II construction of phase I i.e phase I they should have considered three corridors:

1. Anna Salai Metro -Thiruvotiyyur to Airport via Central/Anna Salai
2. PH road Metro - Central to Poonamallae and further extension to SRPD in future.
3. IRR Metro - St.Thomas mt to Moolakadai or Madhavaram and further extension to Thiruvottiyur

Now why they are considering a small branch from T.mangalam to Moolakadai?:ohno:

The Moolakadai - Thiruvanmiyur should run more laterally to the MRTS - along Mandaveli and Besant Nagar. Maybe they are doing this considering further expansion along OMR/ECR. Otherwise they could have stopped in Mailai itself.

In Poonamallee - Luz, I think the IC with corridor 2 will be in Ashok Nagar rather than in Vadapalani (thats what is given in the initial feasibility report). If it is elevated, it definitely cant be in Vadapalani. If it is underground, IC at any one is possible. We will know once the DPR is ready.

TShyam

January 8th, 2011, 06:03 AM

As, i had said, the 9th pillar was also topped out by the viaduct yesterday and work is now on to reach the 10th pillar.

Cool. Do they work on weekends?

Arul Murugan

January 8th, 2011, 06:08 AM

Cool. Do they work on weekends?

They should! If they work only 5days and 40hours week then 2020 will be the opening date. I am sure it will be in shift basis contractors will be engaging the manpower

dr_thapalathy

January 8th, 2011, 07:19 AM

Moolakkadai - Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai -
Thiruvanmiyur and Luz – Poonamallee via
Ayyapanthangal.

They have plans to abandon the MRTS b/w Thiruvanmiyur and Mylapore? I don't see why another metro line should run parallel to MRTS when it has not reached the congestion.

Now MRTS handles only 1lakhs passenger per day... Surely it can handle more and more!

Mylapore-Moolakadai line needed one for connecting south with north west.

Transit will be:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Thousand light, Chengalpattu Suburban/PH Metro-Chetpet or Egmore??, Arrakonam suburban - Perambur

Also Mylapore-Ponamallae much needed one for west-east connection

Transit:

MRTS transit-Mylapore, Anna Salai Metro-Teynampet, Chengalpattu Suburban-Mambalam/T.nagar, IRR/PH metro - Vadapalani??

---------------------------------------------------------------------

b/w Thirumangalam-Moolakadai should be a part of corridor II construction of phase I i.e phase I they should have considered three corridors:

1. Anna Salai Metro -Thiruvotiyyur to Airport via Central/Anna Salai
2. PH road Metro - Central to Poonamallae and further extension to SRPD in future.
3. IRR Metro - St.Thomas mt to Moolakadai or Madhavaram and further extension to Thiruvottiyur

Now why they are considering a small branch from T.mangalam to Moolakadai?:ohno:

I think they can extend Moolakadai - Thirumangalam to CMBT. That can be feasible and ll increase the ridership 2 fold in that line.

dr_thapalathy

January 8th, 2011, 07:25 AM

The Moolakadai - Thiruvanmiyur should run more laterally to the MRTS - along Mandaveli and Besant Nagar. Maybe they are doing this considering further expansion along OMR/ECR. Otherwise they could have stopped in Mailai itself.

In Poonamallee - Luz, I think the IC with corridor 2 will be in Ashok Nagar rather than in Vadapalani (thats what is given in the initial feasibility report). If it is elevated, it definitely cant be in Vadapalani. If it is underground, IC at any one is possible. We will know once the DPR is ready.

Better they can stop the Mookadai - Thriuvanmyur stretch at Mylapore and they can use Thiruvanmyur as a Interchange station for MRTS and metro.
This will be a win-win situation for both MRTS and Metro and will increase the ridership of MRTS in that stretch.

dr_thapalathy

January 8th, 2011, 07:26 AM

My only question, why dont they take up the highly congested OMR road stretch for construction of Metro? It will decrease the pollution to a lot extent.

darkprinz

January 8th, 2011, 07:37 AM

The Moolakadai - Thiruvanmiyur should run more laterally to the MRTS - along Mandaveli and Besant Nagar. Maybe they are doing this considering further expansion along OMR/ECR. Otherwise they could have stopped in Mailai itself.

In Poonamallee - Luz, I think the IC with corridor 2 will be in Ashok Nagar rather than in Vadapalani (thats what is given in the initial feasibility report). If it is elevated, it definitely cant be in Vadapalani. If it is underground, IC at any one is possible. We will know once the DPR is ready.

According to my knowledge , the area between virugambakkam and kk nagar towards pillar is Saligramam . Then if it is porur - saligramam - tnagar it should be through kknagar - ashok pillar- mambalam - t.nagar-luz ..Sure money spinner stretch as 12g buses are not capable of carrying the actual load off these days... !

And if they take vadapalani route instead of Pillar, they need to pass either liberty bridge in arcot road to proceed to t.nagar which is very unlikely

bonoslack7

January 8th, 2011, 08:03 AM

For the first line in the picture, why can't they convert mrts to metro instead of building a new one?

Arul Murugan

January 8th, 2011, 08:25 AM

For the first line in the picture, why can't they convert mrts to metro instead of building a new one?

How that is possible?

Thirumayilai is the best transit point for any metro to start...! I don't see Besant nagar needs a metro line. For Adayar, Kasthuriba nagar, Indra nagar stations will do better in MRTS corridor.

Either Thiruvanmiyur or Perugudi should become the terminal for any RTS is planned for IT Corridor.

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 08:59 AM

I think they can extend Moolakadai - Thirumangalam to CMBT. That can be feasible and ll increase the ridership 2 fold in that line.

Thirumangalam to CMBT is already happening in the first phase. so if moolakkadai is joined to thirumangalam then automatically it is liked to CMBT.

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 09:05 AM

Another thing that surprises me is, how they have blatantly ignored the stretch of PH Road from aminjikarai to koyambedu signal. This stretch if implemented would have been a definite crowd puller because it has Ampa Skywalk, 3 -4 schools, 2 colleges, 3 -4 hospitals, couple of office buildings and a highly populated residential area. the traffic that is there on this stretch now (thanks to skywalk especially) would have reduced to a great extent had metro come here.

according to me they should have had a seperate corridor for anna nagar instead of ignoring this stretch just to include anna nagar in the first phase.

mr_madras

January 8th, 2011, 01:45 PM

mr_madras

January 8th, 2011, 01:52 PM

Thirumangalam-Mugappair-ambatur-redhills-moolakadai-perambur-kilpauk-Luz means Phase 2 metro almost cover west-north-east side.
Subsequently they can plan Thirumangalam-Retteri-Ti vi ka nagar(if possible)-Moolakadai-madhavaram-Manali-Chennai petroleum-Ernavur-thiruvottiyur

ChennaiMyCity

January 8th, 2011, 02:05 PM

Images from Race course side.

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ChennaiMyCity

January 8th, 2011, 02:07 PM

Images from SPIC building side

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/5171/img00196201101081047.jpg
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RajBang

January 8th, 2011, 04:43 PM

^^

At this stage in TamilNadu politics, I'm just cuatiously optimistic about these plans. The elections are just around the corner and until the model code of conduct kicks in, we are going to see lots of large scale ambitious announcements.

Only the post election scenario will tell how many of these are actually going to take off.

Right now, the good thing is that the first two lines have taken off quite well and I keep my fingers crossed that they continue to move so.

Anything else depends on who comes to power in june.

mostly the model code of conduct will come to effect in first week of march. Till that time the govt will be announcing new project every day. but how much of this becomes a reality will depend after the results only.

wlbkng

January 8th, 2011, 05:31 PM

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00271/19VBG_METRO_271551e.jpg

The Rs 14,600 crore metro Rail project being constructed across the city will be completed by 2015, Deputy Chief Minister M K Stalin said here today.

“The work for providing a metro rail for Chennai is under implementation. The first phase of the project will cover a distance of 45.1 kms, of which 24 km will be underground,” he said after inaugurating the CII Seminar titled “Chennai 2020“.

He also referred to the government decision to extend the project by another 22 km and said nine more stations will be constructed in this phase.

The Airports Authority of India will construct domestic, international and a secondary runway at the Chennai Airport to cater to greater passenger and cargo traffic by 2020.

“Passenger traffic at Chennai airport is expected to touch 27.6 million tons and cargo traffic 10.4 lakh tons by 2020,” Mr. Stalin said.

“A greenfield airport to cater to the projected traffic by 2020 is very much necessary and the Government is working towards this,” the Deputy Chief Minister said.

The decision to set up a greenfield airport is in line with development of an Aero Park to promote Chennai as a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul destination for aircrafts, since the current facility does not meet the demands, he said.

Mr. Stalin also said that a plant similar to the Minjur desalination plant with capacity of 100 Million Litres a Day (MLD) will be set up under Public-Private-Partnership mode.

“Another 100 MLD desalination plant in the public sector is coming up at Nemmeli. We have also appointed a consultant to identify a suitable source in the state which will augment supply of 15 TMC (Thousand Million Cubic feet) to meet the demand in the next 15-20 years,” he added.

Source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article837994.ece

coolmukund

January 8th, 2011, 06:22 PM

^^

Passenger traffic will touch 27.6 million tons. LOL!!!

Abhishek901

January 8th, 2011, 07:05 PM

^^ Only possible if elephants start using the airport :lol:

wlbkng

January 8th, 2011, 10:53 PM

Folks, Chennai metro's proj cost is Rs.14600 crore, plus 3000 crores for extension upto Thiruvottiyur.. So the revised cost is 17,600 crores. Is this fact right?

lexraja

January 8th, 2011, 11:46 PM

All,

I am new to the forum and have been visiting this forum regularly for the last several months. I live in Washington DC and as a
guy who grew up in Chennai ,I could see stark differences in terms of buildings and the railyway/road projects underway to meet the burgeoning
population when I visited recently after a gap of 7 years. I realize that with 3 different organizations or possibly 2 in the future
(Suburbam ,CMRL) ,it is important to make use of the existing network Central -Sulurpet , Beach-ChengelPet and Cenral - Tiruthani and Beach-Velachery-St Thomas mount
and develop hubs at different points in the N/W/E/S where any new lines intersect the current network facilitate seamless transfer to other modes .

1)St Thomas mount is planned to be the South hub which has Suburban,Metro ,MRTS - So commuting from Chengelpet to say Mylapore should be
possible with just one transfer.
2)Vadalapalni could be a western hub that would serve as a change over for the Luz- Poonamalle section and St Thomas mount-cenrtal section.
3)The Tirumanagalam portion of the above section (St Thoma Mount-Central) could be exteneded to meet the Chennai -Tiruthani secion at
Anna Nagar/Villivakkam and furthter on via Red Hills,Moolakadai to possibly Tiruvottiyur
4)Tituvottiyur could serve as the hub in the North for Chennai-Gummudupundi line and Tirumangalam-Moolakadai-Tiruvotiyur line and
Airport-Washermanpet-Tiruvotiyur line
5)As some one suggested earlier beach -mylapore-tiruvanmiyur already has mrts.so rather than having a Moolakadai-Luz may be it is better to
have some kind of a feeder service or monorail to connect moolakadai/mkb nagar to beach so that they can transfer to mrts or other modes.
6)Velachery section of mrts could be exteneded to kelambakkam later along omr.

Other things that come to mind are
1)Color coding each network like us metros
2)Have buses connecting to every hub
3)Setting up kiosks at all stations for multimodal transfer.

I realize it is a long haul but I am glad we are getting there.

ChennaiIndian

January 9th, 2011, 01:41 AM

^^

Passenger traffic will touch 27.6 million tons. LOL!!!
I think that was a typo. They would have meant 'passengers' instead of 'tons' in that context. This is essentially more than doubling of the traffic in the next 10 years keeping in mind the economic growth.

madrasi7777

January 9th, 2011, 11:10 AM

I was told by an engineer who worked on the Dubai metro that 3 to 4 pillars can be topped in a weeks time. Is this possible? Can any expert comment on this.

As i had said, the 9th pillar was also topped out by the viaduct yesterday and work is now on to reach the 10th pillar.

coolmukund

January 9th, 2011, 11:41 AM

^^

Yes. Even here, it takes 2 to 2.5 days to cover a stretch between two pillars. then naturally 3 stretches (4 pillars) will be done in a week on an average.

Murali Bala

January 9th, 2011, 01:36 PM

^^

Passenger traffic will touch 27.6 million tons. LOL!!!

Is it becaus people are getting Obese:nuts:

Ashis Mitra

January 9th, 2011, 01:43 PM

Awesome work collecting the info, if you can add all this to a wikipedia page, along with links to the sources it will be of great reference in the future. I'll make a map of it soon enough.

I've heard that the tram lines are still buried under these roads and were never dismantled. Seems like a stretch, but its actually possible considering the corporation likes to lay roads one on top of the other. does anyone have a confirmation of this?

The only remaining artifact from the trams that i've seen in the city are a couple poles that supported the overhead cables, i've seen this on laws bridge opposite ripon building ( http://osm.org/go/y4ZDZKN6S- )

WHERE IS THE MAP OF THE CHENNAI'S CLOSED TRAM?

mugunthsboa

January 9th, 2011, 05:02 PM

Guys do any body here know hoe the rolling stock for chennai metro is gonna look like?

Abhishek901

January 9th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Designs are not out yet.

wlbkng

January 9th, 2011, 05:32 PM

tentative rolling stock design. paakrathukku sumaar aa irukku. orathule urundaya cmrl logo kooda irukku.

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/69/ledt.png

Guys do any body here know hoe the rolling stock for chennai metro is gonna look like?

Already posted by Bonoslack few weeks ago... Though this is just one of the proposed model as mentioned in the blurred text in the pic itself.

bonoslack7

January 9th, 2011, 05:42 PM

Even as the first barricades have been put up cordoning off parts of Mount Road to facilitate work to execute the Metro Rail project, the fate of several heritage structures and precincts is causing concern. A mammoth project of this nature requires vast amounts of space for tracks, stations and depots. It is reliably learnt that the areas the authorities are eyeing for this purpose will put heritage buildings and precincts under threat.

The powers-that-be, in eyeing these buildings, would appear to be deliberately avoiding any clash with the High Court of Madras by looking at buildings and precincts NOT listed in the Justice Padmanabhan Committee report which formed the basis of a judgement that ordered protection to all structures and properties enumerated in that document. Advantage is also being taken of certain ambiguities in the wordings of the same report.

Take for instance the Poultry Research Farm* of the Government that stands in the heart of the city, in the Nandanam area. This has for long been a habitat of free-ranging deer and the city has the distinction of being the only metropolis in the country to have these animals within its perimeter. The animals were once found in plenty in Velachery, Taramani and the IIT campus. But with rapid construction of housing and offices, the deer population in the first two areas has dwindled. Now Nandanam and IIT together boast of around 900 deer and the scrubland and jungle in Nandanam have been ideal breeding ground for the animals. Government has now decided to hand over this area to the Metro authorities to build their headquarters. The Poultry Farm has been shifted to Madhavaram, but shifting the deer is impossible as this species does not adapt itself to new environments and, invariably, dies of anxiety and shock. It is also open to debate as to whether a green lung in the city needs to be sacrificed for a concrete block. Surely the Metro can have its headquarters in outlying suburbs. After all, it is meant to facilitate travel from the outskirts to the heart of the city.

The above precinct is not covered in the Padmanabhan Committee report mainly because the document was not meant to be a survey of heritage buildings and sites to be protected but a listing of structures and premises that because of their importance, ought not to be hidden behind large outdoor advertising panels. It was a readily available document when the Court had to decide on the fate of some heritage buildings facing demolition in the city and it has now become a basic listing. It must be remembered that it is by no means comprehensive and the Court has itself recommended the setting up of a Heritage Conservation Committee that will add further properties to the list. And work on this additional listing is underway even as these lines are written.

Another area under threat is where the Government stationery depot stands, behind the Poompuhar premises. The Metro Rail’s Mount Road station is planned to be located here. The ornate building is listed in the Padmanabhan report but the authorities are taking cover behind the fact that the document mentions only the showroom and not the entire premises. They are arguing that the rear of the structure is not protected by the Court ruling and can therefore be given to Metro-Rail. What is not being looked at is the impact of vibrations during the construction of the station and the subsequent operation of the rail service. These can damage not only the Poompuhar building but also its neighbour, Higginbotham’s, another listed building. It is worthwhile pointing out here that the National Monuments Authority stipulates a 300 m radius around heritage structures within which no new construction can be planned. Of course, in the absence of a Heritage Act in the State, the above buildings cannot hope to be covered under such laws, but these can still be considered guidelines when permission is given – or withheld – for demolition.

The Metro-Rail has also planned its route along Poonamallee High Road in such a fashion that it cuts right below the land that belongs to St. Andrew’s Kirk. The building is unique for its terracotta well foundations and it is open to doubt as to whether these can withstand the strain of co-existing with a rail-network. The matter has been represented to the Government by the parishioners of the Kirk, but no response has been received.

All these are matters for the Heritage Conservation Committee appointed by the CMDA to take up with the Government and the Metro-Rail authorities. It is to be hoped that the HCC will do just that and, in the process, press for the immediate passing of a Heritage Act (already promised by a Minister of the Government) which will protect all such endangered properties and premises.

*Poultry Research Farm belongs to the Tamil Nadu Veterinary and Animal Sciences University. The decision to hand the land over to Metro-Rail has been contested by a Public Interest Litigation file in court on December 29th, after our correspondent wrote this report.

source: madras musings

TShyam

January 9th, 2011, 06:34 PM

Doraman

January 9th, 2011, 07:04 PM

But who cares about all these things? The militant development mongers want to chop off everything and build high raises there. Finally we will be left with all infrastructure except oxygen. Unregulated development is as bad as no development. Sad.

If there is a tradeoff between healthy living and development everyone chooses development. That is the direction the country will take. This is quite unanimous pursued by GOI, GOTN, CMRL and the very purpose supported by people who are reading this post in skyscrapercity forum. Otherwise one would be in a NGO contributing to the society to increase green cover. And there are people who are doing it, for example Isha foundation.

The tradeoff between health and development needs to be looked at holistically. I would say let us concentrate workers in the concrete skyscraper(believe me oxygen levels improve once you ascend 8+ floors than work at low level inhaling CO from traffic) jungle and create lawns and gardens outside city for homes and to unwind. currently we are profilerating city unplanned and everyone wants to build house near office and lakes and forest being sacrificed. Ending up dividing land in to small size plots that putting great strain on the environment. See velachery, maraimalai nagar region,... No doubt chennai lacks forest cover. A residential township has a more defined OSR area compared to 1200 sqft layout plot. Even in suburbs there should be residential mid rises(20-30 fl) for environment protection.

CMRL plan is approved by GOI, GOTN and various depts headed by quite capable people. Yes CMRL should do a good job of making this place with high concentration(atleat 50+ floors) working population rather than building a 2 stoied station and some 10 floor control center. They should plan atleast plan for future expansion.

TShyam

January 9th, 2011, 07:16 PM

If there is a tradeoff between healthy living and development everyone chooses development.

Everyone? How do you know? Unless "everyone" is the name of a person, that statement is not true. If it is, then this article not have made it to the newspaper, the court would not have bothered appointing a committee. There has to be some tradeoff no doubt, but everything has a limit. I dont know whether you saw the news yesterday but Chennai is the 2nd worst city in terms of green cover and that includes this forest. If even that is taken out, everyone has to wear an oxygen mask (and this everyone is not a person).

Doraman

January 9th, 2011, 07:35 PM

Already posted by Bonoslack few weeks ago... Though this is just one of the proposed model as mentioned in the blurred text in the pic itself.

The coach looks good. Silver and blue is very elegant and also the metro logo is designed with great thought. If you had noticed it has following features,

1. Blue representing sea(chennai being a beach city)
2. M inside resembles sail and wave
3. C has a line that starts and ends in a separate points(route)
4. The logo is soft on eyes and will endure culture change

All Ingredients for Excellent branding!!!

Doraman

January 9th, 2011, 07:41 PM

Everyone? How do you know? Unless "everyone" is the name of a person, that statement is not true. If it is, then this article not have made it to the newspaper, the court would not have bothered appointing a committee. There has to be some tradeoff no doubt, but everything has a limit. I dont know whether you saw the news yesterday but Chennai is the 2nd worst city in terms of green cover and that includes this forest. If even that is taken out, everyone has to wear an oxygen mask (and this everyone is not a person).

I do not have any comments on this. I would agree court decision. If the decision is made in favor of CMRL. Then they shd plan for future than waste the precious land.

TShyam

January 9th, 2011, 07:45 PM

I do not have any comments on this. I would agree court decision. If the decision is made in favor of CMRL. Then they shd plan for future than waste the precious land.

Everyone have to agree to the courts decision :) Anyway the university has agreed to hand over 3 acres. The problem is the rest of the area. Hope both the parties compromise to a win - win deal.

win-win

January 9th, 2011, 07:47 PM

Folks, Chennai metro's proj cost is Rs.14600 crore, plus 3000 crores for extension upto Thiruvottiyur.. So the revised cost is 17,600 crores. Is this fact right?

Maybe a stupid question.

Where is the funding for several large projects coming from?

I would assume Metro investment will come from Central Govt.

Wonder where the money for projects like huge TN Assembly building, OMR Road, Koovam cleaning etc is coming from.

TShyam

January 9th, 2011, 07:52 PM

Maybe a stupid question.

Where is the funding for several large projects coming from?

I would assume Metro investment will come from Central Govt.

Wonder where the money for projects like huge TN Assembly building, OMR Road, Koovam cleaning etc is coming from.

60% of funding for metro is actually loan by a Japanese infrastructure bank with the rest equally split between central and state government.

State government mainly gets its revenue from sales tax (TASMAC sales is a huge component in that), property tax, registration tax, and few other taxes.

win-win

January 9th, 2011, 08:31 PM

Thank you. Does the state govt get enough revenue to support all freebies and big infra projects? Is our debt situation getting worse with all these developments?

Wondering what is the rate of interest for such loans from institutions like Jap Infra Bank. Are they doing it to promote/sell their transport technology or is it just an investment of surplus money. I know I'm asking lot of questions. Just out of curiosity...

60% of funding for metro is actually loan by a Japanese infrastructure bank with the rest equally split between central and state government.

State government mainly gets its revenue from sales tax (TASMAC sales is a huge component in that), property tax, registration tax, and few other taxes.

TShyam

January 9th, 2011, 09:17 PM

Does the state govt get enough revenue to support all freebies and big infra projects?

It runs deficit budgets. TN is comparatively better but not top notch as far as fiscal responsibility goes. I dont know the exact figure but the deficit is around 6-7% of the total revenues.

Is our debt situation getting worse with all these developments?

Debts are increasing year after year because state governments as a rule never run a surplus budget. But the situation is not alarming as of now (can someone post the exact numbers? I can give a better commentary then.)

Wondering what is the rate of interest for such loans from institutions like Jap Infra Bank. Are they doing it to promote/sell their transport technology or is it just an investment of surplus money.

We get it really cheap - 1.5% or something.
Why they do it? To understand that, you have to have a introductory knowledge of Japanese economy and its economic history. I am in no mood to explain all those things (in a way you can say "investment of surplus money"). Just take it from me that they are not doing this out of pity. Its in their best interest. It works for us too, so its kind of symbiotic relationship.

SSCaddict

January 10th, 2011, 06:23 AM

We get it really cheap - 1.5% or something.

even sometimes less than that around 1-1.3%

TShyam

January 10th, 2011, 06:47 AM

even sometimes less than that around 1-1.3%

Yeah I think DMRC got part of the funding at 1% right? I think CMRL got it at 1.5%. Vaguely remember reading somewhere long back. Not sure. But dirt cheap. I wish I get some loan at that rate.

dhandapanik

January 10th, 2011, 09:17 AM

TShyam

January 10th, 2011, 09:55 AM

Guys,
Some of us forgot the the earnings from TASMAC.. :lol:

I have mentioned it

State government mainly gets its revenue from sales tax (TASMAC sales is a huge component in that)

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 11:48 AM

The 10th pillar has also been topped out. and now work is about 50% done to join the 11th pillar.

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 11:50 AM

http://i.imgur.com/MByh9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cD6Ck.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jaFMF.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 11:56 AM

http://i.imgur.com/nA5Ja.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LAva9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xNnWO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YAcP2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/9QasL.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 11:58 AM

http://i.imgur.com/5f2WJ.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 12:02 PM

http://i.imgur.com/GCZkO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b39PZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J5enl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/skpfl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/d8UcK.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 12:08 PM

http://i.imgur.com/5Zr9Q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gy1dB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QAwgL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Z9a5D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HM2xt.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 12:09 PM

http://i.imgur.com/qHbi9.jpg

Rakeshmblore

January 10th, 2011, 12:32 PM

^^ Good progress..:banana::cheers:

Mad 4 Madras

January 10th, 2011, 12:59 PM

CoolMukund Cool! I have become your fan now! :cheer::cheer:

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:16 PM

CoolMukund Cool! I have become your fan now! :cheer::cheer:

:)

well some more will follow suit soon...
;)

World8115

January 10th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Pics at last. Thanks a lot coolmukund :cheers:

win-win

January 10th, 2011, 01:17 PM

Thank you. Will google for rest of the information.

It runs deficit budgets. TN is comparatively better but not top notch as far as fiscal responsibility goes. I dont know the exact figure but the deficit is around 6-7% of the total revenues.

Debts are increasing year after year because state governments as a rule never run a surplus budget. But the situation is not alarming as of now (can someone post the exact numbers? I can give a better commentary then.)

We get it really cheap - 1.5% or something.
Why they do it? To understand that, you have to have a introductory knowledge of Japanese economy and its economic history. I am in no mood to explain all those things (in a way you can say "investment of surplus money"). Just take it from me that they are not doing this out of pity. Its in their best interest. It works for us too, so its kind of symbiotic relationship.

SSCaddict

January 10th, 2011, 01:25 PM

Yeah I think DMRC got part of the funding at 1% right?

1.3%/1.2%/1.4%

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:27 PM

http://i.imgur.com/9ThOu.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:29 PM

http://i.imgur.com/NCSLf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YTnI9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BFMu5.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:33 PM

http://i.imgur.com/VGhC8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/thI7q.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tUBBP.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BSBrF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zYotk.jpg

Into_salem

January 10th, 2011, 01:35 PM

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5920/dsc052773593555.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5474/dsc052753573496.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8296/dsc052723539589.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8173/dsc052713528762.jpg

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5289/dsc052703519785.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:40 PM

http://i.imgur.com/t1OAk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SZeTd.jpg

The following pic is the work going on in a stretch of land just before CMBT. This is where the metro deviates from the median and enter CMBT premises.
http://i.imgur.com/aFenR.jpg

bonoslack7

January 10th, 2011, 01:41 PM

yay! great pics again!

always wondered whats in between the 2 hilton buildings....

SSCaddict

January 10th, 2011, 01:42 PM

good pics mukund :cheers:

Into_salem

January 10th, 2011, 01:43 PM

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8173/dsc052713528762.jpg

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/4204/dsc052683499442.jpg

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6217/dsc052673489031.jpg

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 01:44 PM

Well, That's it guys. Hope you enjoyed it. Sorry abt the date. Well clearly, the fact that 2011 is here has not yet sunk in to me. ;)

World8115

January 10th, 2011, 01:44 PM

great pics mukund and Into Salem. Its very heartening to see the metro progressing in another Indian city as well.:cheers: Cant wait for the start of metro construction in Hyderabad

Into_salem

January 10th, 2011, 01:51 PM

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3522/dsc052663478692.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5251/dsc052653467403.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3404/dsc052643456425.jpg

Into_salem

January 10th, 2011, 01:56 PM

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2000/dsc052633445737.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3404/dsc052643456425.jpg

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5251/dsc052653467403.jpg

Into_salem

January 10th, 2011, 01:58 PM

Few more snaps left.. will post tomarrow.. All these pictures were taken on 09.01.2011.

dr_thapalathy

January 10th, 2011, 02:14 PM

Thank you. Does the state govt get enough revenue to support all freebies and big infra projects? Is our debt situation getting worse with all these developments?

As far as my knowledge, only around 11 of the Government Agencies / Corporations of Tamilnadu are running in profit. TASMAC, MTC-Chennai, TNSTC-VPM, TWAD are few among those. Dont know about the rest.

Arul Murugan

January 10th, 2011, 02:16 PM

^^

Great updates Coolmukund and Into_Salem. :cheers:

Surely pillars will be spoiled with the posters, atleast will they be able to protect the metro trains from these posters?

Kalki, Kumudham, Vikatan.... these medias are good for cooking vadai in mouth. Why can't they have some sense for banning their posters? :bash:

satchitananda

January 10th, 2011, 02:29 PM

Great updates Cool_Mukund and IntoSalem.

Pictures seem to convey lots more than spot updates.

Thanks for going the extra mile.

coolmukund

January 10th, 2011, 02:30 PM

Whoa!!!!

I thought i will cover up for the dry spell after the last set of pics by surprising you all today with my pics. But what do i find here??? DOUBLE DHAMAAKA!!!! And not only here, but in the Airport thread as well. Thanks Into_Salem for the pics too. Folks here will now be spoilt with pics!!!! :D

vijayvmail

January 10th, 2011, 03:53 PM

Excellent updates, CoolMukund and Into_Salem

:applause: :applause:

shanware

January 10th, 2011, 05:27 PM

Excellent updates, CoolMukund and Into_Salem

:applause: :applause:

+1

krishnaswamy

January 10th, 2011, 05:43 PM

Thanks for the Pictures Coolmukund and IntoSalem
Great updates

bonoslack7

January 10th, 2011, 07:16 PM

It seems second Chennai Master Plan has identified two corridors in Chennai for implementation of the monorail, the first one being Dams Road Jn.-Royapettah-Mylapore-Adyar-Guindy (Halda Jn.), and the second being Kalangarai-vilakkam RTS Station-Anna flyover-Kilpauk-Perambur.

TShyam

January 10th, 2011, 07:43 PM

Excellent updates, CoolMukund and Into_Salem

:applause: :applause:

+2.

satchitananda

January 10th, 2011, 09:38 PM

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1078733.ece?homepage=true

As ideas for future Metro Rail corridors gather ground with the Governor's address to the Assembly on Friday announcing that three new links are being considered, the place that the Metro project occupies in the city's transportation grid has come into focus.

A detailed project report will soon be undertaken by the consultant, Delhi Metro Rail Corporation, to determine the feasibility of corridors between Moolakkadai-Thirumangalam, Moolakkadai-Thiruvanmiyur and Luz-Poonamallee through Iyyappanthangal.

Populated areas

K. Rajaraman, Managing Director of Chennai Metro Rail Limited, said that the routes were chosen by identifying thickly populated areas in the city that currently do not have access to an effective mass transit option. When the population coverage was mapped on to the city's transit network, there were quite a few large gaps.

Though construction on Phase-I of the Metro commenced just some months ago, the rapid expansion of its network will determine what the city's transportation will be like in the future.

H.M. Shivanand Swamy, executive director of the Centre for Excellence in Urban Planning at CEPT University, Ahmedabad, says “People would always choose to live in a locality which is accessible. Mass transit networks play a key role in determining how any expands.”

Pointing to London, which is about the same size as Chennai, having a 500-km mass transit network, he says that based on current demographics, most Indian cities would double in size within the next 30 years before population growth stabilises. “Metro systems must rapidly branch out towards suburban areas. Those localities are going to become the centres of activity tomorrow. We must start building up capacity to prepare for the poly-centric cities of the future, which will have more than one city centre,” he adds.

The Shanghai Metro, for example, which commenced operation in 1995, has already expanded to a 420-km network. It surpassed the London Underground as the longest urban rail network in the world in early 2010.

Massive transit problem

Acknowledging the importance of branching out into suburban areas, Mr.Rajaraman, however, said it is not possible at the moment as there is a massive transit problem within the city itself. “Nearly 30 to 40 per cent of the city's residents do not have access to any mass transit system,” he says.

He added that CMRL's current model of financing cannot sustain expansion along routes that do not show a high degree of travel density.

On the issue of financial viability, M.N.Murthy, researcher at the New Delhi-based Institute of Economic Growth says since new Metro corridors take time to build up ridership, “a network instead of a line approach should be adopted in evaluating new lines”.

This approach would potentially enable future new lines to be implemented a few years earlier, so long as the entire rail network remains viable.

According to his case study of the Delhi Metro, the social return from greater mobility, in the form of more economic activity and lesser pollution, is much higher than financial returns. He estimates the rate of return to be 22 per cent, which means for every rupee of investment, 22 paise is earned.

One more important facet that any expansion plan would have to factor in is greater integration. For example, in Singapore, 25 per cent of the commuters use the Metro systems, but 60 per cent of them combine it with a bus trip.

Metro systems such as the one in Los Angeles finance, build, and operate their own feeder bus systems and bicycle tracks.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7933/th11metrorailcol350965f.jpg

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Interesting route suggested for Moolakkadai-Thirumangalam via Ambattur.. Thats real good idea instead of letting Thirumangalam-Ambattur one dangle halfway.

TShyam

January 10th, 2011, 10:47 PM

lexraja

January 11th, 2011, 12:48 AM

All,

I am new to the forum and have been visiting this forum regularly for the last several months. I live in Washington DC and as a
guy who grew up in Chennai ,I could see stark differences in terms of buildings and the railyway/road projects underway to meet the burgeoning
population when I visited recently after a gap of 7 years. I realize that with 3 different organizations or possibly 2 in the future
(Suburbam ,CMRL) ,it is important to make use of the existing network Central -Sulurpet , Beach-ChengelPet and Cenral - Tiruthani and Beach-Velachery-St Thomas mount
and develop hubs at different points in the N/W/E/S where any new lines intersect the current network facilitate seamless transfer to other modes .

1)St Thomas mount is planned to be the South hub which has Suburban,Metro ,MRTS - So commuting from Chengelpet to say Mylapore should be
possible with just one transfer.
2)Vadalapalani could be a western hub that would serve as a change over for the Luz- Poonamalle section and St Thomas mount-central section.
3)The Tirumanagalam portion of the above section (St Thoma Mount-Central) could be exteneded to meet the Chennai -Tiruthani secion at
Anna Nagar/Villivakkam and furthter on via Red Hills,Moolakadai to possibly Tiruvottiyur
4)Tiruvottiyur could serve as the hub in the North for Chennai-Gummudupundi line and Tirumangalam-Moolakadai-Tiruvottiyur line and
Airport-Washermanpet-Tiruvotiyur line
5)As some one suggested earlier beach -mylapore-tiruvanmiyur already has mrts.so rather than having a Moolakadai-Luz may be it is better to
have some kind of a feeder service or monorail to connect moolakadai/mkb nagar to beach so that they can transfer to mrts or other modes.
6)Velachery section of mrts could be exteneded to kelambakkam later along omr.

Other things that come to mind are
1)Color coding each network like US metros
2)Have buses connecting to every hub
3)Setting up ticket kiosks at all stations for multimodal transfer.

I realize it is a long haul but I am glad we are getting there.

Have a good one,

Raja

satishanu

January 11th, 2011, 03:11 AM

wleu8g2Cwo0

Trams passing each other from 40secs to 45secs.
Great find bono, loved it :cheers:

wlbkng

January 11th, 2011, 04:44 AM

^^ and another one u can see during 1:08-1:11

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:15 AM

Thanks friends for the comments.

Let me post some more pics taken on 09.01.2011

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:17 AM

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8371/dsc052593392284.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9172/dsc052583381067.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:20 AM

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http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3381/dsc052553347296.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:24 AM

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http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3535/dsc052523313917.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2535/dsc052513301866.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:30 AM

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http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4647/dsc052483269593.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2181/dsc052463248126.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:34 AM

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3707/dsc052453236560.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1510/dsc052443227025.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1420/dsc052433216879.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 05:38 AM

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2772/dsc052423203658.jpg

Thats all from my camera...on metro progress...

Mad 4 Madras

January 11th, 2011, 07:00 AM

^^ You got a new fan :cheer::cheer:
Thanks for the delights.

khirubagaran

January 11th, 2011, 10:25 AM

Is there a plan to plant trees along the metro path (in between two pillars)?

It can reduce the pollution to great extent and provide good breeze.

khirubagaran

January 11th, 2011, 10:36 AM

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1078733.ece?homepage=true

Can anyone explain about this? This article is confusing.

wlbkng

January 11th, 2011, 11:52 AM

Thanks for the pics Into_salem and Coolmukund

TShyam

January 11th, 2011, 12:19 PM

Good updates Into_salem.

@khirubagaran, What is confusing? The article seems fine.

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 01:31 PM

Thanks M4M, Tshayam and wlbkng for the encouragements...

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 01:37 PM

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3993/0901201118048979603.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3771/0901201117948993717.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/3057/0901201117959002027.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6135/0901201117969009968.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 01:39 PM

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7316/0901201117989032373.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/110/0901201117999039389.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8274/0901201118009049352.jpg

Into_salem

January 11th, 2011, 01:46 PM

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/7332/0901201118019056232.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5711/0901201118029063246.jpg

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9690/0901201118039071125.jpg

and thats it for now...hope to get some more occasions to cover more

dr_thapalathy

January 11th, 2011, 01:54 PM

^^^^

Nice pics..
Happy and surprising to see such a fast progress in Chennai Metro...

satchitananda

January 11th, 2011, 03:10 PM

Moolakadai to Thirumangalam via Redhills, Ambattur and Mogappair?? That is real convoluted. I thought it would be through Kolathur and Villivakkam. It would be interesting to go through the DPR. CMRL in my opinion has done a fantastic job of mapping population densities and public transport availability and has come up with routes very scientifically. Lets now hope all these are available atleast by 2020.

I am very sure this route is very convoluted. I think the idea was to provide greater connectivity between North Chennai segments. But given the fact that it has never been easy to reach from Ambattur-Avadi to Perambur side, this would be a big boon. Also it appears that this line is part of a larger network (to be announced in the years to come). Since another route is coming to Poonamallee, there is a strong possibility for Ambattur and Poonamallee to be connected maybe in Phase 3 or 4... making it like a circular path. Thus Ambattur-Redhills folks can enjoy movement in either direction.

The other advantage will be the entire hinterland to be served by Thirumangalam-Moolakkadai will also benefit tremendously by the other line originating there. This route also eliminated one of the proposed Monorail routes (see Chennai metro wiki).

The only odd thing I see is the repeat of Mylapore to Thiruvanminyur segment, unless the route gets expanded in the next phase, this seems like redundant.

Eventually, I would hope Iyyappanthangal-Vadapalani-Mount road to be linked.

Only wish if we get access to the larger picture CMRL folks are trying to put together.

TShyam

January 11th, 2011, 05:24 PM

I am very sure this route is very convoluted. I think the idea was to provide greater connectivity between North Chennai segments. But given the fact that it has never been easy to reach from Ambattur-Avadi to Perambur side, this would be a big boon. Also it appears that this line is part of a larger network (to be announced in the years to come). Since another route is coming to Poonamallee, there is a strong possibility for Ambattur and Poonamallee to be connected maybe in Phase 3 or 4... making it like a circular path. Thus Ambattur-Redhills folks can enjoy movement in either direction.

The other advantage will be the entire hinterland to be served by Thirumangalam-Moolakkadai will also benefit tremendously by the other line originating there. This route also eliminated one of the proposed Monorail routes (see Chennai metro wiki).

The only odd thing I see is the repeat of Mylapore to Thiruvanminyur segment, unless the route gets expanded in the next phase, this seems like redundant.

Eventually, I would hope Iyyappanthangal-Vadapalani-Mount road to be linked.

Only wish if we get access to the larger picture CMRL folks are trying to put together.

Definitely the Mailai - Thiruvanmiyur is planned keeping OMR in mind. True, It runs parallel to the MRTS, but it can be aligned 1- 2 km eastward to serve Mandaveli and Besant Nagar which currently has no rapid transit system. I feel they could have included OMR atleast upto Sholinganallur (or atleast upto SRP tools junction) in this phase itself. Its pretty congested and could have easily supported a metro. Siruseri, Kelambakkam could have been taken up in the future.

Ashis Mitra

January 11th, 2011, 05:36 PM

Very good progress.

darkprinz

January 11th, 2011, 07:53 PM

So it is through Vadapalani and not Ashok pillar ...This time also no relief for West mambalam! :ohno:

TShyam

January 11th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Even if it is through Vadapalani, the IC with suburban should be at Mambalam. Lets wait till the DPR is out.

wlbkng

January 11th, 2011, 07:58 PM

^^ The routes aint finalised yet. DPR will give the answer. So keep fingers crossed!!

Vijayindchn

January 11th, 2011, 09:49 PM

The structure and construction of this pillar between Vadapalani and Ashok Pillar looks very different from other pillars.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9527/photo0059s.jpg

Posters like these on the barricades erected for CMRL are becoming an eyesore. Inspite of the construction companies to get rid of these posters, these posters keep coming up everyday on these barricades.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5865/photo0060d.jpg

madrasi7777

January 12th, 2011, 10:39 AM

The pillars are taller to accomodate a flyover which will be in alignment with the metro on Vadapalani. I do not know if this will get extended up to KK nagar signal.

Arul Murugan

January 12th, 2011, 03:12 PM

Do anyone know what happened to Halda Junction flyover plan? Is it buried or still under consideration?

With metro pillars under construction, I wonder whether still the grade separator plan is alive for the two halda junction?

The crisscrossing of traffic from Velacherry/SP road to Anna Salai and traffic from GST to Velacherry/SP road has become a major accidental area! The crisscrossing distance is very very short due to barricades placed for metro construction.

I wonder if we don't have any grade separator there, how crisscrossing of traffic will happen with pillars of elevated metro in the center of the Anna Salai... or the pillars near Chinna Malai station will fan on two extreme ends?

b/w the crisscrossing of traffic on Kathipara Interchange (Anna Salai to IRR and GST to Anna Salai) is creating chaos during peak hours with multi-fold increasing of traffic in the city.

ChennaiIndian

January 12th, 2011, 10:33 PM

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1087859.ece

An area development strategy will soon be evolved to improve pedestrian facilities, road crossing points and other amenities such as public toilets within a 600-metre to one-km radius of influence of all 32 up and coming Metro Rail stations in the city.

Chennai Metro Rail Limited has identified non-governmental organisation Chennai City Connect as a consultant and is working in coordination with the NGO in order to improve access to Metro Rail stations.

The study would initially focus on developing the base plan of Vadapalani station into a model station.

Vadapalani is one of the 10 stations that have already been contracted out for construction.

“We are looking at how linkages around the stations have to evolve,” said K. Rajaraman, Managing Director of CMRL.

“Five to six components, including skywalks and pedestrian walk-throughs, that are essential for each station locality will be identified. An action plan would be evolved for implementation over the next 3-4 years,” he added.

A co-ordination committee that includes the CMDA and the Chennai Corporation has been formed to implement the plan.

...

satishanu

January 12th, 2011, 10:41 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Jo6n8.jpg

Source: Dinamalar.com

World8115

January 13th, 2011, 01:17 AM

Nice :cheers:

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 05:02 AM

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6702/22970712.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/22970712.jpg/)

Yesterday my mobile power drained .. sorry could not take pics...
I just managed to draw what i saw near market entrance of CMBT ...
Those three pillars(Skeletons) were up ... and the entire area left to the road was cordoned off ...There was great amount of work going on ...
Is that for station ????

BTW
One more thing ...
The MTC bus bay area was looking great with plaster of paris models of deers etc., .. lawn neat and clean .. what happened to CMBT all of sudden ???

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 05:08 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Jo6n8.jpg

Source: Dinamalar.com

Looks great ... :banana: It will be superb to see Vadapalani junction flyover perpendicular to this viaduct ...

Will they wait for the entire viaduct to get over or will they start the other works over existing viaduct(like side walls , track) now itself?

World8115

January 13th, 2011, 05:10 AM

After the stretches of viaducts are completed, the signalling, track laying and other works are taken

krishnaswamy

January 13th, 2011, 06:57 AM

Fantastic pictures! Wish the same tempo is maintained throughout the construction irrespective of Govt changes

PlaneMad

January 13th, 2011, 06:59 AM

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 07:50 AM

Plane mad
Who is edsley ???

venkatm

January 13th, 2011, 07:59 AM

[QUOTE=darkprinz;70538211BTW
One more thing ...
The MTC bus bay area was looking great with plaster of paris models of deers etc., .. lawn neat and clean .. what happened to CMBT all of sudden ???[/QUOTE]

Stalin was there a couple of weeks back....:)

venkatm

January 13th, 2011, 08:06 AM

I had written a mail to CMRL a week back to provide a few suggestions like not repeating mistakes made by MRTS e.g. building huge stations, using up green spaces of city just to avoid land acquisition etc. I got a prompt reply from the MD himself.

Posting it here....

Thanks for your mail dated 6.1.2011. I welcome your suggestions and ideas
which will definitely enable us to do a better job.

1. CMRL intends to minimise private land acqusition to minimise public
inconvenience and disgruntlement. Hence, we have focused on getting public
lands wherever possible. However, we have located all our stations at key
locations with interchange possibilities wherever feasible. Please see our
alignment at http://www.urbanrail.net/as/chen/chennai.htm . There will be
rail interchanges with Southern Railway at Central and Park station
suburban/MRT, rail interchange at Egmore, Guindy and St Thomas Mount,
connection at Airport, bus interchanges at all locations, etc. We are
attempting to further improve the intermodal interchanges planned.

2. OUr stations are designed to be functional, more so as we are
constrained by land availability. We are designing traffic integration
points around most stations at entry/exits to enable smooth flow of
traffic on the road.

3. There is no technical feasibility of using the Nandanam arts college as
the rail alignment cannot take a sharp bend after locating the station
there and take the alignment back under the main road to avoid the deep
piles of the TN Housing Board HQ and therefore there is no choice but to
locate it under Poultry Land. We will be taking adequate care to protect
the flora and fauna by so designing our structures in the said land. This
land is more required for the rear end of the Chamiers Road Metro station
(located largely under the Anna saalai), the multiple off-road traffic
lanes for bus-taxi-auto traffic integration around the entry exits of this
station and parking areas for the public. The Backup Operations Control
Centre for the alignment will also be located here and The CMRL HQ is just
incidental. Deer in this area (numbering about 15) will be taken care of
through a sufficiently large deer park in the rear end of the area.

Thank you for your suggestions and we hope to deliver a good system and
service down the line.

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 08:33 AM

^^ thats great and congrats .. what is the mail id???

vijayvmail

January 13th, 2011, 09:06 AM

Looks great ... :banana: It will be superb to see Vadapalani junction flyover perpendicular to this viaduct ...

Will they wait for the entire viaduct to get over or will they start the other works over existing viaduct(like side walls , track) now itself?

Vadapalani junction flyover will not be perpendicular to the Metro line. The flyover is coming up on the IRR only. Hence it is the same direction as Metro. At the junction, Flyover will come one level above the ground and the Metro will be at the second level above the flyover.

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 09:15 AM

Oh i thought it is along Arcot road ..There was a CCCL barricade near vadapalani SRM campus ,Is that for Flyover or Station

TShyam

January 13th, 2011, 09:18 AM

Vijay is right. Its along IRR (It was posted sometime back in this thread, you can check it out if you have time). One opp SRM is where the Vadapalani station is being constructed.

TShyam

January 13th, 2011, 09:23 AM

FYI, edsley who pops in here once in a while works at chennai city connect and they are doing some amazing work. Do get in touch with him if you have ideas worth implementing, he can make sure they get forwarded to the right people

How to contact him? I live within 600 meters of a station. I can give some ideas.

@ Ventakm
What is the mail id? I too want to send a mail.

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 09:48 AM

How to contact him? I live within 600 meters of a station. I can give some ideas.

@ Ventakm
What is the mail id? I too want to send a mail.

Ya please share the id with us

coolmukund

January 13th, 2011, 12:34 PM

as far as i know, the vadapalani flyover is coming along the arcot road perpendicular to the metro viaduct. Even, the sketches posted in this thread sometime ago suggest that only.

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 01:13 PM

Ennapa aal aluku onnu solreenga ... Edhu dhan unmayana alignment .. :( As a citizen of Chennai i want to know the fact :lol:

TShyam

January 13th, 2011, 01:39 PM

I am sure it is along IRR. I still remember that pic. It came in a Tamil daily. The rendering was absurd. Dog's tail larger than a tree, woman's high heels taller than the pillar. I just dont want to search 100 pages. Otherwise I will show you the exact post.

vijayvmail

January 13th, 2011, 02:24 PM

Ennapa aal aluku onnu solreenga ... Edhu dhan unmayana alignment .. :( As a citizen of Chennai i want to know the fact :lol:

Isn't that the reason that we find the metro pillars to be getting taller as it approaches the vadapalani junction? It needs to accomodate the flyover below.

Check out this post (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=62938275&postcount=2776) in the Flyovers thread. The same 'high heeled' model diagram :)

seku

January 13th, 2011, 03:37 PM

^^ wow.. lotta guys riding harley davidson kinda bikes :lol:

anyways, those pillar's width vary from first level to that of second level? is thatz how those are built now, or again it's dinarkaran's graphics flavor?

seku

January 13th, 2011, 03:39 PM

^^ also the pillar is in mid of the junction like a round about :lol:

krishnaswamy

January 13th, 2011, 04:09 PM

As mentioned in the article, the flyover for vehicles is just 2 lane? not a 4 lane?

TShyam

January 13th, 2011, 05:05 PM

Vadapalani signal to get two tier flyover with metro corridor in the 2nd tier and IRR road traffic in 1st tier.

http://dkn.dinakaran.com/pdf/2010/09/01/20100901a_003101006.jpg

DKN

Exactly.. This was what I was talking about. The lady taller than trees (almost as tall as the first level of the flyover). 3 trees growing in the middle of a pillar, Porur board in the centre of road, car opp the board going in the wrong lane. Metro tracks looks like X within brackets - That too is thinning out. It looks like the drawing from a competition organized for class 2 students. Thanks Vijay.

@ Krishnaswamy - The article states the bridge will be 18 metres (60ft) wide. So it should be 4 laned.

World8115

January 13th, 2011, 05:11 PM

Look at the lady with the dog on the left. She is as tall as the first level of the flyover :lol:

coolmukund

January 13th, 2011, 07:12 PM

http://tm.dinakaran.com/pdf/2010/12/14/20101214b_00510100601.jpg

an old pic though.

source: indianrailways.informe.com

coolmukund

January 13th, 2011, 07:21 PM

Koyambedu Depot and Metro Phase I gist

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/9691/stablingatkoyambedu.jpg

Vadapalani Metro cum Flyover

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/750/vadapalaniintmetrocumfl.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3403/viaduct.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1701/rampr.jpg

as far as i know, the vadapalani flyover is coming along the arcot road perpendicular to the metro viaduct. Even, the sketches posted in this thread sometime ago suggest that only.

well i am sorry!!! and i take back my words. the flyover is indeed on the IRR. well, here is a more reliable source than some funky newspaper diagram :p

darkprinz

January 13th, 2011, 07:42 PM

well i am sorry!!! and i take back my words. the flyover is indeed on the IRR. well, here is a more reliable source than some funky newspaper diagram :p

well thanks for clearing the doubt guys .. that picture was funniest i have seen ..
:lol:

Mukund ,

The plans u have posted(pics) are three different designs considered , is my understanding right ?? And all the dimensions given are in which measuring unit ?

tn2usa

January 14th, 2011, 12:05 AM