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rmsharpe
March 19th, 2008, 05:03 AM
I was just wondering if anyone had some South African city photos from around 1960-1990? The reason I ask is that I like the old pictures and new stuff is just too easy to find.

Jakes1
March 19th, 2008, 11:38 AM
The older pics are more difficult to find - unless you come upon an old discarded postcard rack in the corner of a shop. Will see what we can find. It is difficult though.

Caisson Boy
March 19th, 2008, 03:18 PM
I've got stacks of photos in books... but really can't be arsed to scan them all for you... are you perhaps in Cape Town? Because then I could show you.

KomSakkie
March 29th, 2008, 04:50 PM
Johannesburg 1982

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/452090202_63137b7918.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/452104065_92ad922066.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/452090158_28ebb25c28.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/250/452103765_bc04d600dc.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/452089868_44ff9d7d5f.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/220/452103489_08cb1e62f5.jpg?v=0

Carlton Centre.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/452103381_c7b4de82f1.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/452089422_2829791585.jpg?v=0

That famous Zurich restraunt in Hillbrow. The guy has moved and I think he has a new restraunt in Coachmans Crossing.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/171/452089466_5dfef2b0f3.jpg?v=0

KomSakkie
April 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM
This is Joburg, put it around early 1950's
SAA Constellation. Wish it was better quality

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/2415752805_5dd23c7089_o.jpg

From flickr

joburg
April 17th, 2008, 03:29 PM
wow komsakkie... blast from the past! thanks for those photos!

KomSakkie
April 17th, 2008, 05:03 PM
More......

Rail depot 1900
http://www.randsburg-railway.com/Johannesburg%20Depot%20RM.JPG

http://www.randsburg-railway.com/Johannesburg%20Depot%20SR.JPG

Supreme court
http://www.greatnorthroad.org/bboard/0208/main_post_office_johannesburg.jpg

Horse Sales, Johannesburg
http://www.curriegroup.co.za/site_pics/history/horses_sales_big.jpg

Car Auctions, corner of Rissik and Albert Streets.
http://www.curriegroup.co.za/site_pics/history/car_auction_big.jpg

Property auction, Simmonds Street, between Market and Commissioner Streets
http://www.curriegroup.co.za/site_pics/history/property_auction_big.jpg

I think this is building still stands on Gandi square now.
http://www.curriegroup.co.za/site_pics/history/plum_property.jpg

From www.curriegroup.co.za

The one from wiki

1931 cbd
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/Johannesburg1931.jpg/800px-Johannesburg1931.jpg

Eloff Street 1940
http://www.erroluys.com/images/EloffStreet1940s.jpg

KomSakkie
April 17th, 2008, 05:26 PM
A little bit random.....

Dipiction from 1890's of main street
http://www.prints-online.com/image/JOHANNESBURG-MAIN-STREET_608489.jpg?mediatype=2&mediaid=608489&fitfill=fit&pvw=676

Around 1905 paintings.

http://www.prints-online.com/image/JOHANNESBURG-TRAM-TERMS_589871.jpg?mediatype=2&mediaid=589871&fitfill=fit&pvw=676

http://www.prints-online.com/image/JOHANNESBURG-POST-OFFICE_586996.jpg?mediatype=2&mediaid=586996&fitfill=fit&pvw=676

kulani
April 23rd, 2008, 12:54 AM
this looks like an older picture of Pretoria (without the Reserve Bank building)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2078/2418526898_0c80727a0a_b.jpg

annman
April 23rd, 2008, 02:26 PM
Yikes... that shows how stagnant most inner cities in S.Africa have been for years. Looks like the early 80's, yet the only change is the big-black bank tower! So glad CBD's are getting cleaned up!

jetjunky
June 1st, 2008, 08:57 PM
Here are some pics I found of Durban from the middle of the 20th Century...

Durban from the bluff 1956

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/jetjunky/durban1956.jpg

Kings Park 1960

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/jetjunky/kingspark1960-1.jpg

Durban City Hall (then town hall) - date unknown - 1940's?

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/jetjunky/dbncityhall.jpg

ToxicBunny
June 2nd, 2008, 08:20 AM
Given the carts around the town hall and the lack of vehicles on the dirt roads.. My guess is that photo is much much closer to the early 1900's, maybe even the late 1890's.

SA BOY
June 2nd, 2008, 10:48 AM
gee even in the 60s okes would get drunk before a game at Kings Park

Harkeb
June 4th, 2008, 06:10 AM
Parliament, Cape Town 1939
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16399/16399-h/images/03.jpg

Pietermaritzburg 1930's
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16399/16399-h/images/07.jpg

Durban 1930's
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16399/16399-h/images/07.jpg
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/16399/16399-h/images/09.jpg

Harkeb
June 4th, 2008, 06:11 AM
double post....

Harkeb
June 4th, 2008, 06:15 AM
1950
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2063679018_06cf9908f7.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2063715922_5e9f5da4c7.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/2146446000_871e39f8ec.jpg?v=0

CT 1960

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2245/2153946456_1b21f54460.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1100/1081145042_09a46d1ab2.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1267/1081147482_65a8912c36.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1076/1081141422_893ae728ec.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1275/864892886_bd3d3cc106.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1354/866154496_938e0193dc.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1022/866154522_afd75854f4.jpg?v=0

Adderley Street
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/1858900843_5391e03cc7.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2405/2055751632_c8cfe0908d.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2147170864_0629f8e17d.jpg?v=1211570715

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2153152891_03e3c1be1c.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/2056989835_8547e95d4a.jpg?v=0

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1342/866154544_568d6b335e.jpg?v=0

Newlands
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1237/1080286175_4d9ad8f2af.jpg?v=0

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2359/2054987711_40e6d713c2.jpg?v=0

eyrie
June 11th, 2008, 02:09 PM
I've got stacks of photos in books... but really can't be arsed to scan them all for you... are you perhaps in Cape Town? Because then I could show you.
Oh please scan those pics,we'll be your best friend.I love looking at old photographs of this country

mikey67
July 28th, 2008, 07:19 PM
sorry, pic wouldn't load...

alaink
September 2nd, 2008, 03:46 PM
Couldn't find a better place, but enjoy. These are of Cape Town in the early 1900s:

Okay, here we have Adderley Street:
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s347/alainkermis/Adderly2-print.jpg

Then Victoria Drive (Camps Bay):
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s347/alainkermis/VictoriaDr1-print.jpg

The Pier:
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s347/alainkermis/CTPiers1-print.jpg

Another one of the pier:
http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s347/alainkermis/CTPiers2-print.jpg

Amazing how it has changed so much... :D

JohanSA
September 4th, 2008, 12:36 PM
From these pics you can see exactly when South Africa had its big boom. From the 1960s to late 1970s the country developed like china does now! And guess what guys were going into that boom phase again!!! Exiting times

joburg
September 7th, 2008, 03:07 PM
wow so interesting!

Here is a video I've found. It's from the 1970s or so. Shows mostly Joburg, but at the end there is a bit of Cape Town too.

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eyrie
September 7th, 2008, 04:13 PM
most of the footage is from the sixties.We were very modern at one stage and still are but what I found fascinating was the window look into exactly how society was, walking about etc far more integrated than I thought or was taught to believe

waltjie
September 8th, 2008, 08:34 AM
Johannesburg was a real city back then. Not anymore.

SA BOY
September 8th, 2008, 12:32 PM
I have just been sent a email of old Durban pics from 80s back to 1949 (when the last tram stopped working) and I need to email someone them to add as im a techo loser and cant do it
anyone?

postcard girl
September 26th, 2008, 03:10 PM
I have just been sent a email of old Durban pics from 80s back to 1949 (when the last tram stopped working) and I need to email someone them to add as im a techo loser and cant do it
anyone?

hi sa boy
send to me if you like, i'll open and forward them onto your email address in quick time :) my email is sapostcards@gmail.com
Nicole

postcard girl
September 26th, 2008, 03:18 PM
Oh please scan those pics,we'll be your best friend.I love looking at old photographs of this country

got loads if you're interested.... contact me on sapostcards@gmail.com
nicole

Etiennedup
October 14th, 2008, 10:52 AM
TEST

Inertia
October 14th, 2008, 12:24 PM
Johannesburg was a real city back then. Not anymore.

Joburg got you down?

Jakes1
October 15th, 2008, 03:03 PM
Yes, gone are the days when everyone had snorre - and big guys could beat up black people for being in the wrong place. Gone are the days when the Carlton was the largest mall. Or the days where gay pride parades were something they would only think of in communist countries (Rooi gevaar! rooi gevaar!).

Nah, with all the problems we currently face - I would NEVER EVER EVER want to be back in the 1970's or 1980's.

briker
October 16th, 2008, 06:14 AM
:cheers:

waltjie
October 16th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Yes, gone are the days when everyone had snorre - and big guys could beat up black people for being in the wrong place. Gone are the days when the Carlton was the largest mall. Or the days where gay pride parades were something they would only think of in communist countries (Rooi gevaar! rooi gevaar!).

Nah, with all the problems we currently face - I would NEVER EVER EVER want to be back in the 1970's or 1980's.

Gone are the days where you could go downtown at night and walk around doing window-shopping... gone are the days where you could take a bus from the suburbs into town at night to go ice skating, or to a movie, or to a club... gone are the days that you could go to a 5-star hotel in the CBD.

willayster
October 16th, 2008, 01:23 PM
PE
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/ngg11-55_port_elizabeth_jl_ksc1.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/port-elizabeth-11.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/port_elizabeth1.jpg

briker
October 16th, 2008, 04:11 PM
^^ Al that's changed in PE are the trains, the street fashion and the ships... LOL!

Lost Cosmonaut
October 17th, 2008, 03:31 AM
Good Thread!

Sadly, nothing changed much in Joburg CBD skyline from the early 80īs through today.

willayster
October 17th, 2008, 07:13 AM
briker, the area in the train pic is called humerail. those house in the background have not changed one bit. when i moved to pe in '93 it was an average area, these days it is becoming rather lani, with some stylin pozzies being built further up the hill. what i like about pe is the fact that it does not change...:)

Jakes1
October 17th, 2008, 09:51 AM
Gone are the days where you could go downtown at night and walk around doing window-shopping... gone are the days where you could take a bus from the suburbs into town at night to go ice skating, or to a movie, or to a club... gone are the days that you could go to a 5-star hotel in the CBD.

Walk around doing window shopping - yes, for the few of us that were allowed to walk at night. you forget that 80% of people in this country were forbidden to be in the cbd after 5pm. I have many colleagues that were arrested after 5pm in Pretoria cbd - why? Because the busses were late.

You could take a bus from the suburbs to town? Well, after we all bought cars that became unnecessary - we killed the system because of our own unwillingness to take the bus.

Ice skating, movies, clubs? OK, Ice Skating - I agree, if you were white, this could have been fun.
Movies - you can still enjoy the latest releases at Carlton if you want to. But of course we would rather go to cedar square.

5star hotels? Yes, they closed down. It is sad. I remember one moment in history. 1992. Carlton. My sister's boyfriend's mother invited them to come and enjoy lunch with them at the Carlton. When they arrived, she handed everyone at the table cutlery. Because now the Carlton was not only whites-only domain, and she feared that someone of colour might have used the cutlery at the restaurant!

I say it again. One relatively substandard CBD is not a good reason to want to go back in time. It was nice, but it was controlled. It was artificial. Fake. And I would NEVER EVER EVER want to go back to that time again.

Lost Cosmonaut
October 17th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Ice skating, movies, clubs? OK, Ice Skating - I agree, if you were white, this could have been fun.


HAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!

Jakes1
October 17th, 2008, 01:42 PM
Good Thread!

Sadly, nothing changed much in Joburg CBD skyline from the early 80īs through today.

There are many reasons for this:

the first reason is that our economy was doing fairly well untill the early 1980's, and then came the recessions spurred by bad economic planning, political turmoil and violence and international sanctions.

Secondly, the cbd missed out on the capital gains since 1995 because money went elsewhere. As the abolishment of the group areas act opened up the cbd for people of colour, the white flight started. Capital moved to northern suburbs, and the cbd was left in the doldrums.

Owners neglected their buildings, slumlords moved in... viscious cycle that we are only able to bring under control now.

waltjie
October 17th, 2008, 02:14 PM
But of course we would rather go to cedar square.

If it is closer, then off course.

And I would NEVER EVER EVER want to go back to that time again.

I know I would.

It must have been wonderful to be part of the 20% of the population that was allowed to be in the CBD at night.

t-bang!
October 17th, 2008, 02:29 PM
If it is closer, then off course.



I know I would.

It must have been wonderful to be part of the 20% of the population that was allowed to be in the CBD at night.

WTF?

Joburg back then, used to look awesome.

Jakes1
October 17th, 2008, 02:56 PM
If it is closer, then off course.



I know I would.

It must have been wonderful to be part of the 20% of the population that was allowed to be in the CBD at night.

Am I understanding you correctly? You would like to live in a clean cbd even if it means arresting people because they are not allowed to be there past their curfew?! Yes, send them to number 2 because they don't have a pass baas! A city that left us with uninspiring architecture from the 1960's onwards? Don't you realise that the boring architecture, its brutal lines were just a metaphor for the EVIL system it supported.

Pule would be arrested for being in the streets after 5. So would Kulani. Our indian friends might have been better off. In pretoria, big oakes would go moffie bashing or K-bashing (sorry for the harsh words, but that is what it was!)

And you would want that all back?

Just so that you could stay in a downtown hotel? And ice-skate?

In the end - who do we have to blame for the CBD?

1. We could blame the fall of the group areas act - opening up the space for 10%, not 20% of the population. How dare other people venture into our little theme park!

2. Or we can blame property owners, that fled instead of investing. We could also blame the city, for allowing rich developers to go crazy on the outskirts of the city, building vile tuscan temples for the themepark loving kugels.

Man, I am so pissed right now... You would have an evil, oppressing regime return - a regime which dictated what we listened to, who we married, who we made friends with, where we lived, what we read - all for a shitty little blip on a map - EUROWORLD?

ag nee man, sies. Yes, the city has lots of problems. But to court the dragon just because you don't want to face the current realities?

Jakes1
October 17th, 2008, 03:08 PM
If it is closer, then off course.



I know I would.

It must have been wonderful to be part of the 20% of the population that was allowed to be in the CBD at night.

If you can name one cosmopolitan city that has curfew restrictions on 90% of the population, I would support your cause. Name one city where 90% of citizens are not treated as citizens and must be off the streets between 8am and 5pm. Where they are not allowed to choose where to live based on economics, but hustled into "townships" to sleep. Townships were not allowed any petrol stations, banks, atm's, post offices or big retail stores (that would make them too permanent). Townships were also situated kilometres away from urban centres - increasing transport time and cost.

So where in the world do we find such a city? Cosmopolitan, funky and vibey. A place where tourists would love to go. If you are on holiday - what do you want to see? Vibe, funk and culture? Or drab policing cities, with bland pseudo-brutalistic architecture, grey public spaces - and then you can admire how clean it all is? Do you go to hospitals for holidays?

A police state is not a pretty thing...

Carver02
October 19th, 2008, 06:39 AM
Gone are the days where you could go downtown at night and walk around doing window-shopping... gone are the days where you could take a bus from the suburbs into town at night to go ice skating, or to a movie, or to a club... gone are the days that you could go to a 5-star hotel in the CBD.Most South Africans, the blacks, couldn't do these things. You obviously have a very biased perspective, and care only about the standard of living of South Africa's minority (even if it comes off the backs of the majority).

Fortunately, people like you will be disappearing from this world.

Kwame
October 19th, 2008, 10:27 AM
^^ I agree. It's disheartening to know some still hold that mindset, but it's not in the slightest surprising, especially considering apartheid was legal just 14 years ago. :ohno:

waltjie
October 20th, 2008, 08:59 AM
Whoa whoah whoah... hold on... stop die lorrie!!! PLEASE!!!

My apologies!!! SERIOUSLY!!

I really didn't mean to cause all of this anger and unrest.

I must have expressed myself in the wrong way. This is what I meant:

Guys, I was not looking at this from a white/black perspective. All I meant was, the city of Johannesburg, must have physically been a great place to be back then. Very clean, very attractive, and a pleasure to walk around in at any time of the day. And what I mean by that, is that now, there are some areas where it isn't safe to be, no matter WHAT ethnic group you are part of! I am in no way saying that the way non-whites were treated back then is okay. For goodness' sake, I was a little kid back then (maybe even not born yet!), so what do I know about all this stuff.

Yes, it was illegal to be out on the streets after a certain hour of day, and so yes, people like Pule (sorry friend, I hate using you as an example) would not have been allowed to be out and about, but then again, neither would a lot of us on here. Jakes, that includes you, and Joburg as well, because it was illegal to be gay too!

I find it so disgusting that I am being attacked like this... I have been on this forum for so many years, and NEVER have I EVER insulted anybody. Why would I now all of a sudden do this?

I am not trying to justify myself, but believe it or not, I do actually have non-white friends, I actually have black friends (as a white Afrikaans guy) who I go to to talk about personal matters, and I even discuss christianity with them...

I never meant for this to turn into a political/racial thing.

Jakes1
October 20th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Whoa whoah whoah... hold on... stop die lorrie!!! PLEASE!!!

My apologies!!! SERIOUSLY!!

I really didn't mean to cause all of this anger and unrest.

I must have expressed myself in the wrong way. This is what I meant:

Guys, I was not looking at this from a white/black perspective. All I meant was, the city of Johannesburg, must have physically been a great place to be back then. Very clean, very attractive, and a pleasure to walk around in at any time of the day. And what I mean by that, is that now, there are some areas where it isn't safe to be, no matter WHAT ethnic group you are part of! I am in no way saying that the way non-whites were treated back then is okay. For goodness' sake, I was a little kid back then (maybe even not born yet!), so what do I know about all this stuff.

Yes, it was illegal to be out on the streets after a certain hour of day, and so yes, people like Pule (sorry friend, I hate using you as an example) would not have been allowed to be out and about, but then again, neither would a lot of us on here. Jakes, that includes you, and Joburg as well, because it was illegal to be gay too!

I find it so disgusting that I am being attacked like this... I have been on this forum for so many years, and NEVER have I EVER insulted anybody. Why would I now all of a sudden do this?

I am not trying to justify myself, but believe it or not, I do actually have non-white friends, I actually have black friends (as a white Afrikaans guy) who I go to to talk about personal matters, and I even discuss christianity with them...

I never meant for this to turn into a political/racial thing.

Understood - I was a bit edgy - been dealing with rascists all day at the office: so went on a bit of a rampage... Sorry about the attack.

Caisson Boy
October 21st, 2008, 10:51 AM
Peoples, I have this wonderful book called Hillbrow... it is a coffee table sort of effort from back in the days, early eighties or so... The pictures are amazing. The place was vibrant, with an unparalleled nightlife. I've also seen some tv footage from those days... and it seems that certain night clubs, like Mandy's and Directions did not enforce these clamp downs... so gays and blacks mingled without problems in these clubs.... But of course it would not be possible to get a holistic idea of what it was like in those days from just this book and the documentary I saw...

But I think it is also important to remember that there were many defiant communities back then... In Cape Town, not a single demolitions contractor could be found to tear down and clear District Six - one had to be brought in from Pretoria. And when the old Nico Malan Theatre Complex was opened to white audiences only, the Cape Town concert-goers withdrew their support of CAPAB in protest... I'm sure there are many such examples that show that not everyone was rotten to the core, and that Apartheid law was forced down on white people too, often against their will.

I think things are a bit more complex than white and black, those who benefited from, and those who suffered under apartheid, the oppressors and the oppressed.

willayster
October 21st, 2008, 11:13 AM
i think the problem with cbd's and other areas is the fact that ppl are allowed to loiter. i think there is a law against it, obviously it is not enforced. if we could stop low scumbags from loitering in parks and street coners, then things would be alot better. oh, did i mention i fucking hate loitering scum.

vancouverfa
October 23rd, 2008, 04:53 AM
Does anyone have any photos of the interior of the Carlton Hotel? We used to stay there on layovers; I sure do miss that hotel; it was really wonderful! Any interior photos would be great please!

amcc76
November 20th, 2008, 03:04 PM
Hi All,

Anyone have any photos of the old fun fair on Durbans beach front? Beofre the big make over.

Many thanks

vancouverfa
November 23rd, 2008, 08:59 AM
I would just like to comment on the banter up above. I think crime in the way it terrorizes citizens, no matter what their race, is inexcusable. The fact that a citizen cannot walk through any part of his city for fear of his life is unacceptable, not to mention the fear of being murdered in your own home. Your government is responsible for doing whatever they have to do to make it safe. The only way citizens can change this is by carefully, and I repeat, carefully choosing their government. Do not just vote for a candidate because he or she is the opposite of what was prior; look at what they are going to do to make your lives safer, and equal. I am a Canadian, so an outsider of sorts, although travelled to SA before and after 1994, but I will say this. Many tears were shed before for you, over here, and then tears of joy in 1994, and now tears of despair as we watch what is going on there. You have the power to make South Africa fair for all...and I repeat all. I am actually a minority, but I believe in moving forward rather than repeating what my oppressors did in the past; two wrongs do not make a right, and you all know what I am talking about in terms of what is going on with jobs right now. I can be the better person, and include everyone, as should you, to make South Africa the pluralist society that it was promised to be. Please do not disappoint those that hold so much hope for you. Do not let South Africa fall and become yet another loss for democracy. Turn it around!

JAB323
November 27th, 2008, 05:13 AM
awesome, i love seeing old photos

arac
December 18th, 2008, 02:08 AM
Hi, I have this 1973 book with loads of pics from south Africa at the time, so I thought you would be interested to see them.
I`ll post some of Johannesburg now, and I`ll post more later

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img229.jpg

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img236.jpg

Carlton hotel

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img235.jpg

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img230.jpg

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img231.jpg

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img232.jpg

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img233.jpg

Joubert park

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/img234.jpg

briker
December 18th, 2008, 03:14 AM
How nice. Back in the day Joburg was really a world city. It's slowly getting back to its former glory. We need lots of brand new skyscrapers! Thanks for posting.

Lydon
December 18th, 2008, 08:22 AM
Thanks for the post!

t-bang!
December 18th, 2008, 09:29 AM
very nice pics, there is an overall sense of comfort, freedom and security when you look at aerial pics.

Jakes1
December 18th, 2008, 12:52 PM
very nice pics, there is an overall sense of comfort, freedom and security when you look at aerial pics.

Comfort - depending on you skincolour
Security - of course, a controlled police state
Freedom - mmm...

Know what you meant - but just my little addon. Remember, this was themepark south africa. Themeparks always look nice and cosy, but below the surface hides the real ugly stuff.

there were no good-ol' days. for 90% of the country they never existed.

elbart089
December 19th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Someone just passed me the link to this thread, and I must say that those old pictures look superb, please post more! :okay:

Matthias Offodile
December 19th, 2008, 10:47 PM
May I just add a few to this thread ...hich I found on the net (all taken during early 1970īs)

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj56/morgenstille/jo2-1.jpg?t=1229722996

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj56/morgenstille/jo5.jpg?t=1229723117

Durban?

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj56/morgenstille/jo6.jpg?t=1229723158

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj56/morgenstille/jo.jpg?t=1229723196

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj56/morgenstille/jo3-1.jpg?t=1229723068

Lydon
December 19th, 2008, 11:09 PM
Argh, SA was so legend city-wise in those days. Joburg looks so clean and fresh in its aerials. Here's to the future and to restoration!

vancouverfa
January 19th, 2009, 06:48 AM
I wish Jo'burg would get back to its former state...safe, secure and cosmopolitan (and I am not suggesting the former apartheid regime). It would be nice if it could be the city it was for everyone now. On a side note, I blame DeBeers for a lot; they could pump so much money back into SA to improve the infrastructure, get rid of some of the corruption, and really change things. If there was a more equal distribution of wealth, education, and a large middle class, we would not see what we are seeing right now.

Rekarte
January 19th, 2009, 07:58 AM
Good Pics!
Johannesburg has always been an important financial center

Etiennedup
February 11th, 2009, 01:22 PM
Hi, I am a new kid on the block here, and love what you have posted here.

Here are a few from my collection.

P.E Market Square 60's
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Port_Elizabeth_Mayors_Garden.jpg

P.E. Harbour 50's
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/996773.jpg


Sophiatown Jhb. after removals 1959
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/stownafterremoval59.jpg

Jhb. 1959
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb1959.jpg


Jhb. 1959
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb1959d-1.jpg

Street scene Jhb.'59
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb1959g.jpg

Jan Smuts Airport 80's
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/JanSmuts.jpg


Pritchard str. Jhb. 70's
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/PritchardStr.jpg

Jan Smuts 80's
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/JanSmuts85.jpg

Lydon
February 11th, 2009, 01:34 PM
Wow...thank you!

mike2005
February 11th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Fantastic pics. The picture of Pritchard str really brings home how Joburg CBD collapsed in the 1990's. How it was allowed to happen is quite beyond me.

mandana
February 11th, 2009, 02:48 PM
great pics thanks for sharing

Gulivar
February 11th, 2009, 03:47 PM
Let's hope that with enough work, it can return to its former glory.

willayster
February 12th, 2009, 10:49 AM
cape town
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/Cape1.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape10.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape11.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape12.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape13.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape14.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape15.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape16.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape17.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape18.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape19.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape2.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape3.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape4.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape5.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape7.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape8.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape9.jpg

Etiennedup
February 12th, 2009, 01:23 PM
Hi Willayster,

Could you tell where you obtained these pics, or are they yours?

Cheers,

Etiennedup.

willayster
February 12th, 2009, 02:14 PM
^^ i took them yesterday and used photoshop to 'date' them....
kidding, oviomente', uhm received them via email earlier today, if u frd me your mail address i will frd them to you.

Gulivar
February 12th, 2009, 04:55 PM
In that first shot, is that CT station?

Etiennedup
February 12th, 2009, 05:18 PM
Well Willayster, those photos of Cape Town are actually mine, and the whole set of more than 250 can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157600938342274/

@ Gulivar.......Yes. thats what C.T . station looked like up to the mid sixties.
If you want to know more have a look at all the comments that appear with the photo on the above site.

Cheers!

Lefa
February 13th, 2009, 01:07 AM
[QUOTEcape town
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh125/willayster/cape16.jpg
QUOTE]

Separating the beach from land with an elevated road/walkway? Very ill-thought!

willayster
February 13th, 2009, 09:47 AM
Well Willayster, those photos of Cape Town are actually mine, and the whole set of more than 250 can be seen at http://www.flickr.com/photos/8270787@N07/sets/72157600938342274/

@ Gulivar.......Yes. thats what C.T . station looked like up to the mid sixties.
If you want to know more have a look at all the comments that appear with the photo on the above site.

Cheers!

^^ so does that mean you dont want me to frd them to you?

Lydon
February 13th, 2009, 09:55 AM
^^ :banana:

SA BOY
February 13th, 2009, 11:16 AM
whats a USAF DC4 cargo master doing at CT airport?

Etiennedup
February 13th, 2009, 01:40 PM
USAF planes has,for as long as I can remember, been regular callers at D. F Malan (Cape Town International). I suppose it's because they have a fairly large U.S. Mission in Cape Town.

Here is a C141 Starlifter at D. F. Malan I snapped way back in the early seventies.


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Galaxy.jpg

thryve
February 13th, 2009, 05:27 PM
Any more photos of streetlife in Joburg?

Or photos taken in Hillbrow back in the day? Surely there are more out there, considering what a "hopping" spot it was!

EXCELLENT photos so far tho!

Etiennedup
February 15th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Here are some more Johannesburg pics. (mostly old postcards)


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb1959e.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/DEL807.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/MetroJhbCol-537x395.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/886_001d.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/783_001.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/576_001.jpg



http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/385_001mm.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/377_001.jpg

Gulivar
February 15th, 2009, 05:17 PM
Let these be an inspiration in that it's still possible to take back our cities from the thugs and restore the pride that was once there.

HigerBigger
February 16th, 2009, 08:12 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/377_001.jpg

When I was young, in 1973-75, I remembered us parking in this parking garage. It was automated (although mechanical). You left your car at the bottom and it was moved into a lift, taken to any of the visible floors and push into a parking space. People did not drive in this garage. We thought it was the future.....

HigerBigger
February 16th, 2009, 08:18 PM
[QUOTE=Etiennedup;32323862]

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/783_001.jpg

Nice to see the tram running in the streets and a pitty that this was removed.

Yuri S Andrade
February 17th, 2009, 05:39 PM
I loved all the old photos of the South African cities, specially the video! The clothes, the haircut, the current architecture, the cars... Nostalgia...:)

I'd like to say something about this discussion between Jakes and Waltjie. I know I'm a foreigner, and that is a very difficult issue in SA society, so maybe I don't know the whole picture and miss some points.

Anyway, I think we should point the failures in SA today without being associate to apartheid regime. Apartheid shouldn't be an excuse to the current SA government for the violence, the farm attacks, the brain flight and specially with declarations that encourages racial rivalry. In the same way, we cannot ignore everything good under the old regime, just because it was bad. The heart transplant in the 60's, the first world infra-structure, the great universities, etc. We should be more objective and less biased, despite all this discussion be so sensitive.

Other thing, it's so sad this animosity towards Afrikaners and Afrikaans language. I felt that in my trip to SA, on internet and even here. That's preventing SA healing. This process will promote the destruction of an ethnic group, a language, which is truly South African. Besides, Afrikaans is a link between SA and Germanic Europe, a unique thing in whole world, in the same way the Durban with its Indian community. And all that is just the symbolic part, not mentioning the effects on the individual.

makoppa
February 18th, 2009, 08:40 AM
Thank-you Yuri S Andrade, us Afrikaans people sometimes feel so bad about the past that we deny our heritage, as a few of my cousins now do. But then I've stopped speaking to them because of that. I'm glad you see the importance of this group. Just as the Indians, Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos and all black groups are important! The English are now so so very dominant world-wide.. Go well and may your future trips to ZA be as enjoyable as the first! :))

Etiennedup
February 19th, 2009, 02:12 PM
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/164_001.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb1959b.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Jhb09.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/749_001.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/709_001.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/392_001.jpg


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/264_001.jpg

Pule
February 19th, 2009, 03:13 PM
^^ the bronze Impala Sculpture was located at Oppenheimer Park but it has now being moved to Main Street as thieves wanted to steal it.

Oppenheimer Park will be upgraded as part of the Retail Improvement District.

SA BOY
February 19th, 2009, 04:20 PM
whats that building in the 3rd last pic?? looks like a 60s international style type building

Etiennedup
February 19th, 2009, 07:03 PM
It's the President hotel........ I am not a vaalie, but I doubt if it is still a hotel.
Come on guys, help us out here!

ZATUGA
February 21st, 2009, 06:06 PM
I found the followind site with old photos from the Wilds in Houghton - Johannesburg
http://www.yeoville.co.za/photo_archive.htm

Etiennedup
February 25th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Here are eight slides taken by the late Douglas Campbell in 1955. They form part of a collection of over 500 slides that he took while on visits to S.A. in 1955 and 1970.
His son has uploaded this incredible collection on Flickr. at http://www.flickr.com/photos/thedouglascampbellshow/sets/72157608119739317/ This is an absolute treasure trove of life in S.A. of so many years ago.

Riebeeck Hotel, Springs 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090220050711PM.jpg


Pretoria 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090220050216PM.jpg

The Wanderers Club 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090220045829PM.jpg

Springs 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090219082742PM.jpg

Johannesburg 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090219082540PM.jpg


The Wanderers Club 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090219081149PM.jpg

Jhb. 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090220050244PM.jpg

Main Street Springs 1955
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j124/saafs/Fullscreencapture20090219064830PM.jpg

Jakes1
February 25th, 2009, 04:15 PM
^^ the bronze Impala Sculpture was located at Oppenheimer Park but it has now being moved to Main Street as thieves wanted to steal it.

Oppenheimer Park will be upgraded as part of the Retail Improvement District.

Actually it was stolen, piece by piece. It has been restored, and moved to main street.

Caisson Boy
February 26th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Thank-you Yuri S Andrade, us Afrikaans people sometimes feel so bad about the past that we deny our heritage, as a few of my cousins now do. But then I've stopped speaking to them because of that. I'm glad you see the importance of this group. Just as the Indians, Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos and all black groups are important! The English are now so so very dominant world-wide.. Go well and may your future trips to ZA be as enjoyable as the first! :))

It took a holiday trip to Europe for my attitude towards Afrikaans, my own language, to change. Previously I wasn't much bothered about Afrikaans and its status, but now I have changed slightly. And I fully appreciate the value of Afrikaans as a regional major language (for instance in the Western Cape, Northern Cape, North-West, Free State, Northern Gauteng, Western Half of Eastern Cape, etc.). Therefore I feel that the presence of the language should be emphasized, rather than negated. My point is, in France, Germany, the Netherlands and Belgium, where I recently went, signage is done in the local language and occasionally in English too. But never exclusively in English. Shops have German, French and Dutch names. So, why are we so keen to do everything in English, when Afrikaans is equally trendy? Why do we shy away from Afrikaans, which is on par with European languages in terms of being developed as a literary and scientific language? I don't understand it. Why is it that for instance the regional municipality of the winelands, a predominantly Afrikaans area has only one official name, namely Cape Winelands Municipality?? Cape Town is officially City of Cape Town, Stad Kaapstad and Isixeko saseKapa (sorry, my spelling might be wrong here). Why is SABC officially ONLY SABC and not SAUK too? Why is SAA officially ONLY SAA and not SAL too? Why is it that UCT is officially also Universiteit Kaapstad, UWC is also UWK and Universiteit van Stellenbosch is officially also Stellenbosch University, but CPUT refuses to be called Kaap Skiereiland Universiteit van Tegnologie, when it lies within a predominantly Afrikaans province? Why is Jakaranda FM now suddenly Jacaranda?

If we look abroad we can see that in Wales the signs and names are NOT just in English. In Catalonia they're NOT just in Spanish. Then why o why is it that in the designs for the station in Cape Town it is called only Cape Town Station and not Kaapstad Stasie too? This REALLY irks me and gets my back up.

Afrikaans is a well-developed and beautiful language It is a language that can be used intelligently in law, politics, sciences, finance, literature, etc. without having to use terminology copied over from English. We should not allow it to be squashed by the hegemony of English.

Lydon
February 26th, 2009, 01:51 PM
Whilst Afrikaans may be well-developed and beautiful to some (I personally don't think it is), it isn't as widely spoken as European languages. I understand that in Afrikaans areas, Afrikaans signage may be logical, but in a country with 11 official languages, I can see why English is used as the "norm."

Pule
February 26th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Why is SABC officially ONLY SABC and not SAUK too? Why is SAA officially ONLY SAA and not SAL too?


Imagine what will happen in Gauteng -

English - SABC
Sesotho - MAAAB
Afrikaans - SAUK
Zulu - ?
Xhosa - ?
Venda -?
Tswana - ?
Ndebele - ?

It will just be confusion. I think it's proper to use English rather than other languages.

Caisson Boy
February 26th, 2009, 02:22 PM
Whilst Afrikaans may be well-developed and beautiful to some (I personally don't think it is), it isn't as widely spoken as European languages. I understand that in Afrikaans areas, Afrikaans signage may be logical, but in a country with 11 official languages, I can see why English is used as the "norm."

Look, obviously you have some sort of gripe with the language or you're just not informed - I'm not going to argue with you about this. Because I can tell you outright that Afrikaans ranks among many European languages in that it is either a bigger group, roughly the same or slightly smaller, e.g. Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, Belorussian, Icelandic, Croatian, Slovenian, Slovak, Bosnian, Serbian, Macedonian, Catalan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Albanian, Welsh, Irish, Basque, Scotch Gaelic, Maltese and many many others. Bulgarian, Czech, Serbian, Hungarian, Greek, Portuguese (within Europe) are all smaller than 15 million, compared to the major languages of Europe like Polish, German, French Italian, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian en English, which are all 40 million and up.

I hope you can try and take your own argument to its logical conclusion and see how absolutely nonsensical and absurd you are, if you take the information above into account.

So English as 'NORM' as you put it, is by no means as logical as you may think.

Lydon
February 26th, 2009, 02:47 PM
Look, obviously you have some sort of gripe with the language or you're just not informed - I'm not going to argue with you about this. Because I can tell you outright that Afrikaans ranks among many European languages in that it is either a bigger group, roughly the same or slightly smaller, e.g. Swedish, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, Belorussian, Icelandic, Croatian, Slovenian, Slovak, Bosnian, Serbian, Macedonian, Catalan, Lithuanian, Latvian, Albanian, Welsh, Irish, Basque, Scotch Gaelic, Maltese and many many others. Bulgarian, Czech, Serbian, Hungarian, Greek, Portuguese (within Europe) are all smaller than 15 million, compared to the major languages of Europe like Polish, German, French Italian, Spanish, Russian, Ukrainian en English, which are all 40 million and up.

I hope you can try and take your own argument to its logical conclusion and see how absolutely nonsensical and absurd you are, if you take the information above into account.

So English as 'NORM' as you put it, is by no means as logical as you may think.

I was talking about languages such as German. These are widely spoken languages as you mentioned. In your examples above, what percentage of the each country's population speaks said language? In many cases I'd bet it's greater than the percentage of South Africans who speak Afrikaans as a first language.

How many official languages do those countries have? The last I heard we're the country with the most official languages in the world, meaning that if we were to "customize" areas according to language, we'd experience a lot of confusion. I'd be lost in areas adapted to Xhosa, Zulu and other African languages. These are problems that the above-mentioned countries do not have to deal with. We are an extremely diverse country.

Ultimately, I do not have anything against Afrikaans. Whilst I may not personally like the language, I see no reason to pronounce a vendetta against it. It is simply unattractive to me, as are my feelings towards German and a few other languages. No need to get defensive. I still find it logical that a country with as many official languages as we do choose a language that is widely-understood (both in South Africa and internationally) and use it as a "base" language.

Caisson Boy
February 26th, 2009, 03:54 PM
I was talking about languages such as German. These are widely spoken languages as you mentioned. In your examples above, what percentage of the each country's population speaks said language? In many cases I'd bet it's greater than the percentage of South Africans who speak Afrikaans as a first language.

How many official languages do those countries have? The last I heard we're the country with the most official languages in the world, meaning that if we were to "customize" areas according to language, we'd experience a lot of confusion. I'd be lost in areas adapted to Xhosa, Zulu and other African languages. These are problems that the above-mentioned countries do not have to deal with. We are an extremely diverse country.

Ultimately, I do not have anything against Afrikaans. Whilst I may not personally like the language, I see no reason to pronounce a vendetta against it. It is simply unattractive to me, as are my feelings towards German and a few other languages. No need to get defensive. I still find it logical that a country with as many official languages as we do choose a language that is widely-understood (both in South Africa and internationally) and use it as a "base" language.

That's exactly my point. South Africa is much larger than most of the European countries, and therefore is culturally much more diverse within one country. That does not mean that there are not psychological regional and/or language boundaries within the country. Western Europe now really operates as one, with internal boundaries much less important than they were earlier. A European Union citizen can cross borders within Europe largely without any of the customs nonsense of before. Still, every country maintains its own identity. You don't see German corporations changing their names to English (the accepted lingua franca of the EU) just so that the French and the Italians can understand. I really don't feel we should go out of our way to anglicise the country, so that everybody can understand everything - it is not necessary. Don't you think I would have been lost in France, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium if I understood only English? But I've actually gone to the trouble of learning to speak and read German, French, Dutch and English, so I'm OK with that.

You and I have locked horns before regarding the status of English as the most widely understood language in the country, and I'm not gonna revive that debate again here - you know my thoughts on that.

Just because you think Afrikaans and German are ugly does not devalue them at all. And just because you don't understand those languages doesn't say anything about their validity - it really only shows that you are too comfortable with the hegemony of English to even attempt to see the cultural significance of those languages.

By the way, by referring to the percentage of people who speak Bosnian in Bosnia, Croatian in Croatia, etc. you are also ignoring thousands of years of history. The geopolitical situation in Europe has changed so many times in the past few centuries - those borders you see on your map were not always there, you know. If you read your history books you would see how countries as we know them today were created AROUND ethnic and language groups. Why do you think Czechoslovakia split into Czech Republic and Slovakia again? Why do you think Yugoslavia split into Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, FYR of Macedonia etc?. Did you really think that within the old USSR people ever stopped speaking Ukrainian, Latvian, Georgian, Estonian, etc.? And do you take into account that countries like Lebanon and Israel were created artificially relatively recently? Did you think Northern Ireland just "happens" to be part of the United Kingdom?

Lydon
February 26th, 2009, 04:35 PM
That's exactly my point. South Africa is much larger than most of the European countries, and therefore is culturally much more diverse within one country. That does not mean that there are not psychological regional and/or language boundaries within the country. Western Europe now really operates as one, with internal boundaries much less important than they were earlier. A European Union citizen can cross borders within Europe largely without any of the customs nonsense of before. Still, every country maintains its own identity. You don't see German corporations changing their names to English (the accepted lingua franca of the EU) just so that the French and the Italians can understand. I really don't feel we should go out of our way to anglicise the country, so that everybody can understand everything - it is not necessary. Don't you think I would have been lost in France, Germany, Netherlands and Belgium if I understood only English? But I've actually gone to the trouble of learning to speak and read German, French, Dutch and English, so I'm OK with that.

You and I have locked horns before regarding the status of English as the most widely understood language in the country, and I'm not gonna revive that debate again here - you know my thoughts on that.

Just because you think Afrikaans and German are ugly does not devalue them at all. And just because you don't understand those languages doesn't say anything about their validity - it really only shows that you are too comfortable with the hegemony of English to even attempt to see the cultural significance of those languages.

By the way, by referring to the percentage of people who speak Bosnian in Bosnia, Croatian in Croatia, etc. you are also ignoring thousands of years of history. The geopolitical situation in Europe has changed so many times in the past few centuries - those borders you see on your map were not always there, you know. If you read your history books you would see how countries as we know them today were created AROUND ethnic and language groups. Why do you think Czechoslovakia split into Czech Republic and Slovakia again? Why do you think Yugoslavia split into Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia & Herzegovina, FYR of Macedonia etc?. Did you really think that within the old USSR people ever stopped speaking Ukrainian, Latvian, Georgian, Estonian, etc.? And do you take into account that countries like Lebanon and Israel were created artificially relatively recently? Did you think Northern Ireland just "happens" to be part of the United Kingdom?

OK, so we've established that South Africa is much more diverse than the average country, right? Therefore comparing SA to a European country with far fewer official languages is simply not a fair comparison at all. The fact of the matter is that the effects of customizing regions of SA based on languages will have far greater effects here than it will in a country with let's say three official languages. I'm sure you'll agree that if you understand one of those languages, learning the other two is nowhere near as much as a challenge as it would be for us over here having to learn the other ten!

Once again I stress that I do not think Afrikaans, German etc. are "lesser" languages simply because I do not like them. I've stated that fact clearly so I'm not sure why you're still attacking me falsely in that regard. I personally feel that South Africa is in a unique position due to the sheer number of official languages and cultures our country possesses.

Lastly, you mention that Europe has developed around ethnic groups. In other words, a natural progression has occurred that has resulted in those wanting to belong to culture X being grouped together and those belong to culture Y being group together too. I believe that the same phenomenon is occurring here, but on a more subtle scale. If a business wishes to change its name from an Afrikaans name to an English name - let it. I personally know of a business that has recently changed its name from English to Afrikaans. The Afrikaans culture is far too robust for something as simple as road signs or business names to cause it to die out. Afrikaans, English, Xhosa, Zulu and all other languages spoken in the country are going to intermingle and sometimes they may clash, but in the end one culture is not going to eliminate another whilst people are still alive to represent it.

Caisson Boy
February 26th, 2009, 04:45 PM
I know. But unfortunately there are those who ACTIVELY try to flush Afrikaans out. And I am looking at our wonderful government here especially.

Lydon
February 26th, 2009, 05:10 PM
By all means I'm with you on that one. I will support Afrikaans all the way where the government attempts to route it out. It's going to take more than a few name changes though, so that's another area in which, surprise, they're going to fail.

arac
March 15th, 2009, 04:24 AM
Durban

http://i354.photobucket.com/albums/r432/sandal88/durban-1.jpg

and the book says: "Durban, the most active among South Africa`s sea ports, it receives thousands of ships yearly"

HigerBigger
March 30th, 2009, 08:21 PM
Just saw the TV advertisement for the Confederation cup. For all interested in history of Johannesburg, it was shot inside the old station structure that used to be Park Station. This old station was moved to Esselenpark and half of it moved into Newtown a few years ago. It is the structure sitting between Carr Street and the Nelson Mandela bridge in Newtown.

Matthias Offodile
April 11th, 2009, 12:35 AM
thatīs a video showing Hillbrow in the early 1980īs

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=3773360

Marsupalami
May 5th, 2009, 09:32 PM
A lovely pic of Cape Town, 50's postcard style ;)

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu211/marsupalami/ctimageoldarial.jpg

And another. Look how much space was there little over 50 years ago. Our beautiful city has sprung up so quick.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu211/marsupalami/ctimageetiennedup.jpg

Gulivar
May 6th, 2009, 09:25 AM
Impressive.

CleverPete
May 8th, 2009, 03:12 PM
This pic was taken yesterday, but it felt like I was 'transported' back in time.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wkwn7rcilFw/SgQpfoCbkdI/AAAAAAAAANY/MDN2kd8nT00/s320/Samsung-0002.jpg

I mean really, how old are these?!

Gulivar
May 8th, 2009, 05:52 PM
At least 60 years old.

ilan
May 28th, 2009, 06:43 PM
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ilan
May 28th, 2009, 06:46 PM
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TheMann2000
May 30th, 2009, 06:29 AM
Fantastic pics. The picture of Pritchard str really brings home how Joburg CBD collapsed in the 1990's. How it was allowed to happen is quite beyond me.

Another one of the side effects of apartheid's end. As the police eased off in 1990, the black tribes wound up going after each other far worse than they had in the apartheid days. In 1994, there was many that figured the shit would hit the fan when Mandela became president, and many of the white owners took off out of Johannesburg's CBD, and Mandela couldn't really do much to fix it for a while.

mikey67
October 9th, 2009, 08:46 PM
Johannesburg

1949
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3436/3995107623_6d86b83c60_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2675/3995868490_929d4511cd_b.jpg

1959
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2603/3995107387_e012b42839_b.jpg

1959
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3450/3995868240_c9eb87a78f_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2455/3872965272_66a6fbc603_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/3993886834_7254b0fc45_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2429/3872966310_9cb60b9f86_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3530/3872202259_a435591701_b.jpg

1952
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2537/3872963860_1f2a245393_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 Uploaded on October 9, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/archives/date-posted/2009/08/11/)
by HiltonT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

ZATUGA
October 9th, 2009, 09:15 PM
Fantastic photos. Parkstation in the 50's must have been surely one of the worlds best stations.

mikey67
October 10th, 2009, 01:52 PM
Johannesburg

Station interior
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3993254275_25bde75790_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2607/3993253457_3d23454012_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3421/3993127461_15658be559_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 Uploaded on October 9, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/archives/date-posted/2009/08/11/)
by HiltonT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

mikey67
October 10th, 2009, 02:16 PM
Port Elizabeth

Pre1936
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2641/3952453293_5242023611_b.jpg

1930s/40s
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/3973718117_3f1820446c_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2479/3973719171_7561034cbf_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/3974486682_7521fe44b5_b.jpg

1958
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2437/3953229760_117cc51c91_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/3953229690_c29f443ce0_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/3927711293_0d55752320_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2505/3927711813_3c47302680_b.jpg

Knysna Lagoon
1953
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3963315970_73c36dae8c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 Uploaded on September 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/archives/date-posted/2009/08/11/)
by HiltonT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

mikey67
October 10th, 2009, 02:48 PM
East London

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2568/3822719327_2099583b3b_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/3885934436_61500ba173_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/3874175955_9d84cab044_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3885078393_bcf608c68c_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2554/3885874244_469af94ed8_b.jpg

1945. The unusual double-decker bridge over the Buffalo River was completed in 1935.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/3889561396_48b0be40a3_b.jpg

Orient Beach, 1951
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3490/3984291760_d69ac62f34_b.jpg

Orient Beach, 1954
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3819033592_1f6f2cba67_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 Uploaded on August, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/archives/date-posted/2009/08/11/)
by HiltonT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

mikey67
October 10th, 2009, 02:59 PM
Johannesburg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2462/3855983720_1263ddff79_b.jpg

Rissik St, 1954
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/3852589182_04149ba320_b.jpg

Colosseum Theatre, 1954
The Colosseum was situated in Commissioner Street, Johannesburg and was opened by General Jan Smuts on 4th October 1933. It occupied an entire city block with a west and east wing containing offices.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3456/3851884575_27d5d4a754_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 Uploaded on August, 2009 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/archives/date-posted/2009/08/11/)
by HiltonT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

Cape Town Guy
October 10th, 2009, 06:18 PM
I love that theatre. Wish we had more built like that today.

HiltonT
October 10th, 2009, 10:41 PM
I have a collection here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/collections/72157621916648803/

I'm adding more every day. As of today, about 300 more still to upload.

I'm aware that some have already been individually uploaded into this thread. I just want to mention that regarding all the images, acknowledgement is to The South African Railways and Harbours.

Enjoy yourselves,
Regards.

ToxicBunny
October 11th, 2009, 10:51 AM
Awesome Hilton... :)

Thanks a million for these.. I love old photos of the cities.

mikey67
October 11th, 2009, 11:33 AM
Hilton, these old photos are amazing!
Thanks for sharing them with everyone :cheers:

Lydon
October 11th, 2009, 02:35 PM
South African cities really were quite something back then. It's great to see us slowly but surely re-acquiring what we once had :)

ZATUGA
October 11th, 2009, 04:13 PM
Yes superb photos. south Africa's cities were very clean and way beyond their era [ well organized, superb buildings and monuments, with many leisures for the people ( cinemas, theatres, parks, sports, you name it ... )] and the south african landscapes are simply magnific ( table mountain, Drakensberg amphitheatre, Swartberg Pass, Golden Gate, BlydeRiver Canyon, Karoo ... ). Thanks again for sharing those photos.

SA BOY
October 12th, 2009, 05:25 PM
I have a collection here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/collections/72157621916648803/

I'm adding more every day. As of today, about 300 more still to upload.

I'm aware that some have already been individually uploaded into this thread. I just want to mention that regarding all the images, acknowledgement is to The South African Railways and Harbours.

Enjoy yourselves,
Regards.

welcome boet
Fliker banned for me in Dubai so anyone care to post a few good ones?

Love this thread

SA BOY
October 12th, 2009, 05:28 PM
fark slummies hasent changed

MedicalConstructer
October 19th, 2009, 05:24 PM
I am very interested in the Hillbrow Tower. Firstly I wish it was open to the public as I feel such a major land mark needs to be a primary tourist attraction. More importantly, I am curious to find images of the construction of the tower and pictures of the tower when it was in public use... Im sure someone must have... I have searched all over Google etc, and all that I can find are recent pics... Please if anyone has any :)

nsub_guy
October 21st, 2009, 12:36 PM
Whilst Afrikaans may be well-developed and beautiful to some (I personally don't think it is), it isn't as widely spoken as European languages. I understand that in Afrikaans areas, Afrikaans signage may be logical, but in a country with 11 official languages, I can see why English is used as the "norm."

If you live in Cape Town and the western cape, you will notice that the mijority of the people speak Afrikaans, that to the coloured community. Even if they speak it in a different dialect, its still afrikaans. So, when you see people in the work place speaking english, that does not mean they dont speak english at home.

Plus, I think afrikaans is way cool and the best part is, it the youngest language in the world today. To think it started in the early 1900's. So young, isnt it?

KAZAN RESIDENT
November 30th, 2009, 10:12 PM
some old postcards
http://i036.radikal.ru/0911/41/0f12444017f0.jpg
http://i017.radikal.ru/0911/75/a5256ce9f689.jpg
http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/0911/1a/77e2d0d340cd.jpg
http://i023.radikal.ru/0911/10/3eacbd705877.jpg
http://i048.radikal.ru/0911/50/b3dc7c33c76c.jpg
http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0911/2a/3f14a73ecaf5.jpg
http://i037.radikal.ru/0911/66/c91af52a4fd4.jpg
http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0911/f3/8a9d6e356166.jpg

goliath01
November 30th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Hey Kazan Resident, thanks fot that!!!
Really brings back some good memories... Were u recently in SA?
Awesome collection of pics that uve posted on the thread

KAZAN RESIDENT
December 1st, 2009, 05:43 AM
Hey Kazan Resident, thanks fot that!!!
Really brings back some good memories... Were u recently in SA?
Awesome collection of pics that uve posted on the thread

You're welcome! no I've never been to SA, but this country is one that I'd really like to visit:)

ToxicBunny
December 1st, 2009, 07:10 AM
Well then we'll make the suggestion of coming for the World Cup...

Its going to be a huge party if you ask me.... and everyone is going to have an absolute blast.

Martini87
December 25th, 2009, 02:31 AM
Looking at these old photos really impressed me a lot.

Cities were clean and safe, but they were only available for a few. In fact, all public services were like that (transport, education, health, security, etc). The majority of resources were used mainly by 10, 15% of the population. That was a really artificial world (just as like a theme park, or a "fantasy island") for the ruling elite.

From 1994 on , these resources must be shared by all the population. Of course standards would fall. The challenge now is to universalize public services and economic oportunities in order to diminish this huge social inequality (that is the main reason for the extremely high rates of violence)

In my country (Brazil) we have a similar situation, but without the clearly marked racial factor. Our social inequality is as big as in your country, and in big cities there's a huge number of migrants that struggle to find work, while a minority enjoys shopping malls, imported cars and gated communities. And violence is an important problem (murders, robberies, car hijackings, ect). In brazilian cities the blacks and mixed people tend to be poorer than whites. Segregation happens roughly the same way as in SA, but not in an institucionalized way (as was in apartheid)

The difference is that as we didn't suffer the apartheid our cities couldn't control the migrant influx to big cities (only since 1994 you've been facing this situation). They grew so fastly that all sorts of problems appeared (pollution, congestion, shanty towns, etc). There were clearly the formal and informal cities, being in some cases embarassingly close. The favelas in Rio's hills and Paraisopolis in Sao Paulo are great examples, being across the street from to the wealthiest neighborhoods in town ,although the majority of the poor live in the cities's poor suburbs (like the township in SA).

The point is: violence is rampant in BR and SA because of the great inequality between rich and poor. Let's not forget that while the majority of crime appearing on TV are the ones related to rich (robberies, car hijackings, etc), the majority of crimes existing today in SA happen to the poor (rapes, murders, drug related crimes). Only diminishing this gap (and thus forming a large middle class) we'll be able to diminish crime in its roots. And we'll be able to walk freely in the CBD (both Johannesburg's and Sao Paulo's) without worring about being robbed or killed.

I tried to avoid using racial terms because after all the social situation in SA is similar to those in other developing countries, like Brazil. The ruling elite uses the State in order to perpectuate its economic and political dominance. The difference in SA is that the elite used a race-based attitude, but overall the process is impressively similar in both countries.

BUTEMBO21
December 25th, 2009, 03:03 AM
What in the name are those things? are they mountains that had a super haircuts?

I love how they cut them. that is so artistic and purely Uniques from anywhere in the world. damn.

http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0911/f3/8a9d6e356166.jpg[/QUOTE]

Lydon
December 25th, 2009, 10:27 AM
^^ Haha they're mine dumps actually ;)

Kwazimoto
December 25th, 2009, 01:08 PM
Looking at these old photos really impressed me a lot.

Cities were clean and safe, but they were only available for a few. In fact, all public services were like that (transport, education, health, security, etc). The majority of resources were used mainly by 10, 15% of the population. That was a really artificial world (just as like a theme park, or a "fantasy island") for the ruling elite.

From 1994 on , these resources must be shared by all the population. Of course standards would fall. The challenge now is to universalize public services and economic oportunities in order to diminish this huge social inequality (that is the main reason for the extremely high rates of violence)

In my country (Brazil) we have a similar situation, but without the clearly marked racial factor. Our social inequality is as big as in your country, and in big cities there's a huge number of migrants that struggle to find work, while a minority enjoys shopping malls, imported cars and gated communities. And violence is an important problem (murders, robberies, car hijackings, ect). In brazilian cities the blacks and mixed people tend to be poorer than whites. Segregation happens roughly the same way as in SA, but not in an institucionalized way (as was in apartheid)

The difference is that as we didn't suffer the apartheid our cities couldn't control the migrant influx to big cities (only since 1994 you've been facing this situation). They grew so fastly that all sorts of problems appeared (pollution, congestion, shanty towns, etc). There were clearly the formal and informal cities, being in some cases embarassingly close. The favelas in Rio's hills and Paraisopolis in Sao Paulo are great examples, being across the street from to the wealthiest neighborhoods in town ,although the majority of the poor live in the cities's poor suburbs (like the township in SA).

The point is: violence is rampant in BR and SA because of the great inequality between rich and poor. Let's not forget that while the majority of crime appearing on TV are the ones related to rich (robberies, car hijackings, etc), the majority of crimes existing today in SA happen to the poor (rapes, murders, drug related crimes). Only diminishing this gap (and thus forming a large middle class) we'll be able to diminish crime in its roots. And we'll be able to walk freely in the CBD (both Johannesburg's and Sao Paulo's) without worring about being robbed or killed.

I tried to avoid using racial terms because after all the social situation in SA is similar to those in other developing countries, like Brazil. The ruling elite uses the State in order to perpectuate its economic and political dominance. The difference in SA is that the elite used a race-based attitude, but overall the process is impressively similar in both countries.

+1 oh so very true. Merry Christmas.

BUTEMBO21
December 25th, 2009, 07:34 PM
^^ Haha they're mine dumps actually ;)

Mine dumps in the middle of the city? but they are perfectly designed? are they still there today? what happened to them? They are massive.

SA BOY
December 26th, 2009, 05:51 AM
mine dumps before the city, done hundered years plus ago and now being remined as gold is at record high , creating new development oppotunities

Kenguy
January 2nd, 2010, 02:22 PM
What in the name are those things? are they mountains that had a super haircuts?

I love how they cut them. that is so artistic and purely Uniques from anywhere in the world. damn.

http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/0911/f3/8a9d6e356166.jpg[/QUOTE]

^^
Saw the same pic in one of the National Geographic magazines. The Edition on Africa. I like it.

Olesch
January 18th, 2010, 08:57 PM
Found these pictures in an old SATOUR-Booklet, which was published by the Government for free distribution abroad.
-> I don't know why, but I'm not able to (may not) post attachments?

Chadoh25
January 18th, 2010, 09:55 PM
Cool Thread! I LOVE old photos!

HiltonT
March 1st, 2010, 01:17 AM
A collection here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/collections/72157621916648803/

spongeg
March 20th, 2010, 06:17 AM
i added these to the other spot before i saw this all from 1980 not very good quality...

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7533/pretoria1980.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3439/joburg1980.jpg
[http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/226/joburg19802.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/65/kp3.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1246/kp2y.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8017/kp1gv.jpg
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3897/jansmuts1980.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2277/ct3i.jpg
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9731/ct2c.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4025/ct1c.jpg

postcard 1980
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/189/capetown1980.jpg

spongeg
March 20th, 2010, 07:48 AM
this is a book from the 80's

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1381/thisissa.jpg

one pic from it carlton centre
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3606/carlcenter.jpg

ZATUGA
April 6th, 2010, 10:52 AM
DURBAN
Many of these photos are from before 1960, but their isn't another thread to post these, so I decided to post them here
http://images51.fotki.com/v423/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban01-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v423/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban02-vi.jpg
http://images47.fotki.com/v422/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban03-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v424/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban04-vi.jpg
http://images51.fotki.com/v423/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban05-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1305/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban06-vi.jpg
http://images36.fotki.com/v1156/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban07-vi.jpg
http://images45.fotki.com/v1200/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban08-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1291/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban09-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1309/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban10-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1300/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban11-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1306/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban12-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1302/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban13-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1300/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban14-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1308/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban15-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1283/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban16-vi.jpg
courtesy of http://www.fotki.com

ZATUGA
April 6th, 2010, 10:52 AM
DURBAN

http://images39.fotki.com/v1292/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban17-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1282/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban18-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1249/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban19-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1302/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban20-vi.jpg
http://images40.fotki.com/v1301/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban21-vi.jpg
http://images45.fotki.com/v1257/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban22-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1294/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban23-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1283/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban24-vi.jpg
http://images38.fotki.com/v1276/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban25-vi.jpg
http://images38.fotki.com/v1277/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban26-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1255/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban27-vi.jpg
http://images38.fotki.com/v1270/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban28-vi.jpg
http://images41.fotki.com/v1305/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban29-vi.jpg
http://images39.fotki.com/v1282/photos/1/183150/867200/Durban30-vi.jpg
courtesy of http://www.fotki.com

ZATUGA
April 6th, 2010, 10:56 AM
BLOEMFONTEIN
http://images42.fotki.com/v1365/photos/1/183150/6896235/Bloemfonteinmarket-vi.jpg
http://images43.fotki.com/v1384/photos/1/183150/6896235/BloefonteinBuilding-vi.jpg
courtesy of www.fotki.com

ZATUGA
April 6th, 2010, 11:00 AM
BARBERTON
http://images109.fotki.com/v783/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbertonExchange-vi.jpg
http://images43.fotki.com/v1367/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbertonMine-vi.jpg
http://images43.fotki.com/v1369/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbertonTown-vi.jpg
http://images110.fotki.com/v565/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbertonKantoor-vi.jpg
http://images21.fotki.com/v208/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbetonHell-vi.jpg
http://images109.fotki.com/v792/photos/1/183150/6896249/BarbetonStreet-vi.jpg
courtesy of www.fotki.com

ToxicBunny
April 6th, 2010, 11:01 AM
Some great memories of Durban there ZATUGA.. :) Thanks... some of those photos are from the 70's or 80's...

Also looking at them, ther are some things that Durban shouldn't changed but rather just modernised I think....

Yupes
April 6th, 2010, 05:41 PM
Vibrant pictures, ever beautiful SA

Brian.K
April 9th, 2010, 01:55 PM
whats that building in the 3rd last pic?? looks like a 60s international style type building

HEY ITS THE OLD PRESIDENT HOTEL.
ITS STILL THERE, JUST HAS SOME RATHER DRAB LOOKING BUILDING SCREENS NOW. its the skyrise above the universal church of the kingdom of god. they added the horrible UCKG shit at the ground floor and ruined the modernist look completely.

gruntie
May 19th, 2010, 07:19 PM
Marina Hotel, Margate about 1960

http://i856.photobucket.com/albums/ab122/gruntie/marinahotelLarge.jpg

ToxicBunny
May 19th, 2010, 10:33 PM
Damn, that looks like it could have been an absolutely amazing hotel.....

Pity that it seems like they've gotten rid of it...

ZATUGA
August 14th, 2010, 08:39 PM
Many of these photos are of before 1960, but I didn't see any other thread more apropriate to post them

http://i.ebayimg.com/20/!B0R-ww!!mk~$(KGrHqJ,!jgEw45nNsuoBMZsqi)ZZg~~_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!B0Q5gkwEWk~$(KGrHqN,!h0Ew5M8dgB)BMZn+pVLgg~~_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/02/!B0PeQ)wEWk~$(KGrHqUOKkEE)O)o4)lBBMZePEhWvw~~_3.JPG

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/DEL9805.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/11/!BudlkkwBGk~$(KGrHqZ,!hQEv1+0DS-bBM!c84HnZw~~_3.JPG
Capetown 1930

http://i.ebayimg.com/15/!Bz6GZjwCGk~$(KGrHqIOKk!E)OcTqjdZBMYDpfd1,g~~_3.JPG
Marine Hotel, Sea Point Capetown

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/ERAXX010.jpg
MIDDELBURG 1990

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/JM1949.jpg
CAPE TOWN KLOOF ROAD 1910

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http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!B0!wh3QCGk~$(KGrHqF,!iMEw5heruEBBMYdM,13PQ~~_3.JPG
1906 THE ESPLANADE - DURBAN

ZATUGA
August 14th, 2010, 09:01 PM
http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/postcards332/pco3976.jpg
South Coast of Natal 30s

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/dilyns/durbgre.jpg
GREAT WAR MEMORIAL - DURBAN

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!Bz-oNtQB2k~$(KGrHqN,!h0Ew5M8dgB)BMY(R6D9Q!~~_3.JPG

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/ASD268.jpg
Port Elizabeth 50s

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/ASD74.jpg
CAPE TOWN PROMENADE & PEOPLE 1910

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/CD18.jpg
MONBRAY CAPE MOSTERTīS WINDMILL MILLS

http://i.ebayimg.com/17/!Bzsi26QBWk~$(KGrHqZ,!hwEw5CUI+ffBM(J7tr5cQ~~_3.JPG
Carriage Rock, Kenton-on-Sea

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!B0!l3KwEWk~$(KGrHqIOKj4E)cgidzV(BMYclpDuZQ~~_3.JPG
Port Elizabeth 1922

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!BVcW7jg!2k~$(KGrHgoH-D4EjlLl0WegBKSiumEY1w~~_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/07/!BVc(8UwB2k~$(KGrHgoH-DkEjlLly2R-BKSiyjfZlw~~_3.JPG

ZATUGA
August 14th, 2010, 09:11 PM
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http://i10.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/56/02/fc0c_3.JPG

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http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!BzwCtQ!CGk~$(KGrHqR,!h4Ew5BV!!lYBM(bK(fyvw~~_3.JPG

ZATUGA
August 14th, 2010, 10:17 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/19/!Bb3L+,w!Wk~$(KGrHqIOKioEq4JRK-u,BK)+)H2mhQ~~_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!Bb3S2e!!Wk~$(KGrHqIOKjIEq4!6GOC0BKy!Uf(B9w~~_3.JPG

http://i7.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/8f/f8/b6fe_1_b.JPG
JOHANNESBURG, JONBERG PARK

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Johannesburg

ZATUGA
August 15th, 2010, 05:08 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/13/!Bzrj0y!!Wk~$(KGrHqYOKnEEw83qbTm!BM(F+wyocg~~_12.JPG

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/1/2/7/1/0/webimg/393166080_o.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!Bz)CVd!Bmk~$(KGrHqF,!i0Ew5WCg,OFBM(fFeipzg~~_12.JPG
TRAM ROAD RONDEBOSCH TO NEWLANDS 1908

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/marcusaurelius/durban.jpg
1905 Bay Esplanade Durban

http://www.jumpingfrog.com/images/postcards286/pos4155.jpg
Beach Pavilion Muizenberg 1946

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JOHANNESBURG-PRITCHARD ST.BETWEEN1900-1920

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Picturesque Banks of the Zoo Lake

http://www.myeasypics.com/is.php?i=782532&img=tgc1.jpg
Johannesburg, 1940s

ZATUGA
August 15th, 2010, 06:03 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/08/!Bz2Mf!wEWk~$(KGrHqF,!jMEw5DMd7Z)BM()r,cvI!~~_3.JPG
Capetown Docks

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/ZIVG/06_008.jpg
Police Memorial Kimberley

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/ZIVG/Scan0002_034.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/23/!B0J5,RQEGk~$(KGrHqZ,!jgEw44nDg4tBMZF!fGvR!~~_12.JPG
JOHANNESBURG PARK TRAIN STATION J.H.B.1915

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http://i.ebayimg.com/15/!BUGit9gCGk~$(KGrHgoH-EUEjlLl0EpmBKLz9gMLzw~~_12.JPG
MARKET SQUARE EAST LONDON

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1938

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http://i13.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/1c/55/fe75_3.JPG

ZATUGA
August 15th, 2010, 06:20 PM
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http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/26/4a/43ad_3.JPG
FIRE STATION Johannesburg 10s

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http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/26/4a/45e8_3.JPG
THE EMPIRE THEATRE Johannesburg

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Mossel Bay

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/aldrap/November2007/johsa1.jpg
1933 JOHANNESBURG

ZATUGA
August 15th, 2010, 06:28 PM
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KIMBERLEY, GOVT. BUILDINGS

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HOSPITAL CAPETOWN 1916

Lydon
August 15th, 2010, 07:30 PM
Great photos! That image of Camps Bay/Lions Head is insane. It's amazing how much things change.

ToxicBunny
August 18th, 2010, 09:20 AM
Love the photos...

Wish I could get my hands on some decent reproductions...

ZATUGA
September 11th, 2010, 08:55 PM
http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!B)Hqh7!EWk~$(KGrHqV,!i8Ev1+0F1l2BMMJjC4KOQ~~_3.JPG
Bloemfontein Government Bldgs

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Durban West Street

http://www.uberstamps.com/aat4355.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/14/!Bvv-p-!EWk~$(KGrHqN,!hEEv1+zyBfNBMF3nbpY9!~~_3.JPG

ZATUGA
September 11th, 2010, 09:04 PM
http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/windowsintothepast/M403.jpg

http://www.vintagetobacco.com/goldcoast/new/pcb/b2428.jpg
1919

http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/uffdahhh3/k041410a0026.JPG
1942

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/ZA17.jpg
KIMBERLEY TOWN HALL

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early 1900s

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1900

ZATUGA
September 11th, 2010, 09:21 PM
http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/DEL6251.jpg
1920s

http://i.ebayimg.com/17/!BWrLYgg!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKj8EjlLmUE61BKYkdNpIb!~~_12.JPG

http://i24.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/8b/76/8600_1_b.JPG

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http://i.ebayimg.com/24/!Bwhugng!2k~$(KGrHqIOKnEEvyFr)OUwBMJW(QQ8T!~~_3.JPG

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/guerra/DEL6992.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!BWt48m!!Wk~$(KGrHgoOKjgEjlLmZyqPBKYztjRPj!~~_12.JPG
1950s

http://i4.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/eb/0c/aeb4_1.JPG
1950

HiltonT
September 17th, 2010, 02:51 PM
A collection here of vintage S.A. Stuff available for downloading here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/collections/72157621916648803/

ZATUGA
September 18th, 2010, 10:26 PM
Welcome HiltonT.
I had already seen your collection of photos before, and I have to congratulate you for your magnificent vintage photos.

ToxicBunny
September 19th, 2010, 11:38 AM
Every so often I trawl your photo's Hilton and love them....

ZATUGA
February 19th, 2011, 08:42 AM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5214/5427522658_4f22264a08_b.jpg

spongeg
March 3rd, 2011, 05:04 AM
a few postcards i dug up - from the 70's (i think)

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/1060/021pk.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6573/022pz.jpg

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7241/023pop.jpg

spongeg
March 3rd, 2011, 08:19 AM
a few more

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1882/021s2.jpg

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1377/020s2.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9392/019s2.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6093/017s2.jpg
http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/5532/018s.jpg

takz
March 3rd, 2011, 07:40 PM
88 0n field being built
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-DCkDKB3fhlE/TW_gcS4tmKI/AAAAAAAAAAw/JxmfDxAiIoQ/s320/AwSuMm0965.jpg

The E.N.D
April 26th, 2011, 12:39 PM
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http://i5.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/26/49/1f69_3.JPG

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http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/001/26/4a/43ad_3.JPG
FIRE STATION Johannesburg 10s

http://i18.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/26/4a/447b_3.JPG

http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/26/4a/45e8_3.JPG
THE EMPIRE THEATRE Johannesburg

http://i18.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/26/4a/4925_3.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!BfZZ8TwB2k~$(KGrHqUH-CEErvZKS-BVBLBFzEp7m!~~_12.JPG

http://i.ebayimg.com/22/!BmNqQH!Bmk~$(KGrHqEOKicEtkBE6jB0BLe081!64w~~_3.JPG
Mossel Bay

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/aldrap/November2007/johsa1.jpg
1933 JOHANNESBURG


It seems like CT has always outshone JHB in the aesthetic stakes.

The E.N.D
April 26th, 2011, 01:09 PM
JHB

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The public library

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5640201101_cce2580551_b.jpg
The Wilds,Houghton

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5638261148_81d3df9ea0_b.jpg

Hollard Street

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5267/5638260460_398fc75870_b.jpg

This image blew my mind.


DBN

Still the second biggest city in SA.

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Medwood Gardens

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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5630613195_ccca16766d_b.jpg

Umhlanga Rocks


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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5022/5621754423_f4c0aea9c8_b.jpg

Habour


CPT


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http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5559089230_c673bc43de_b.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/buddyicons/63154252@N00.jpg?1241619830#63154252@N00 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/) HiltonT's photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hilton-t/)

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Very beautiful images but my friend keeps reminding me that I would have probably been relegated to a dusty township somewhere.