There is a lot of great documentaries out there. Which ones have you watched and would recommand watching?

I watched "END GAME" by Alex Jones on youtube. Its an interesting documentary.

I recommend:

Boris Despodov's documentary "Corridor # 8" (http://www.corridor8.info/) which received the Award of the Ecumenical Jury on February 8th 2008 in the Forum program of the 58th Berlinale...

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"Loose Change" <-- On the theories of the REAL reason for the 'terrorist attacks' on the American World Trade Center

"Loose Change" <-- On the theories of the REAL reason for the 'terrorist attacks' on the American World Trade Center
Not intending to start a discussion with you on the matter or to turn your world upside down or anything, but... Loose Change is pure crap!;)

I've watched almost every single documentary on this subject from the ones on Discovery or NGC to the ones on the internet supporting conspiracy theories. NONE of the ones that support conspiracy theories ever convinced me. I could spot inconsistencies, errors and false claims from the first viewing only by using my knowledge. After studying and finding some resources that debunked these theories I was able to conclude it's all fairy tales and to be honest I'm both amazed and disappointed when I see so many mature and educated people fall for this crap.

Yes, the US government proved to be utterly incompetent both before and after 9/11, but they didn't staged the whole thing and they didn't let the whole thing just happen. 9/11 was not an inside job. End of story.

I recommend reading screwloosechange.blogspot.com (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/) as it debunks Loose Change.;)

Anyway, meanwhile on Earth...:lol: I watched several documentaries that hold valuable info on the Iraq war. Of course they're heavily biased but once again incompetence and obscure interests come to light. No conspiracy theories here... just tales of a corrupt and irresponsible system...
No End in Sight (http://imdb.com/title/tt0912593/)
Iraq for Sale: The War Profiteers (http://imdb.com/title/tt0815181/)

Also An Inconvenient Truth (http://imdb.com/title/tt0497116/) about global warming is worth watching, in case you didn't already. As does Life After People (http://imdb.com/title/tt1173907/) depicting the changes that will occur if we were to simply and completely disappear tomorrow. And if you dig world cities, I highly recommend We Built This City series on London (http://imdb.com/title/tt0902350/), New York (http://imdb.com/title/tt0818145/) and Paris (http://imdb.com/title/tt0902351/).

I have many others that are interesting but don't remember them now.:( Enjoy!:cheers:

P.S.: almost forgot... Zeitgeist: The Movie (http://imdb.com/title/tt1166827/)... very interesting, but it's all taken to the extreme to the point where exaggerations and misinterpretations take over. At least that's what I made of it. Even the part on religion, which I should find ok, being an atheist, has a moderate concentration of lies.:lol:

^ http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

:D

My favorite documentary is the multi-awarded Exandas. It is actually produced in Greece and it is shown in many countries.
2 small parts from their latest documentaries.

Digital Cemeteries
-where your computers rest
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Slaves

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They've produced more than 60 docs so far and you can check youtube for more...

^ http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

:D
Yeah, I completely forgot about that site. That thing with the $20 bill is pure gold.:lol: Anyway, if you really fall for lame conspiracy theories that easily you can find plenty on info on the internet to cure your idio...aaah, ideas.:D 50% of the lies are easily debunkable right off the bat if you have a brain anyway, so you're left with the other 50% to read about.;)

@ Cosmin
-Hey i never said i believed any of it, i just found it VERY fascinating! Makes you think.. about many things not just 9/11

Common Cosmin you gotta be ultra naive to think that 9/11 was a actual terrorist hit, it was so bad executed fake operation...It's not possible all of the huge and massive steel columns that were holding that enormous building to melt down and even if it was...the building won't collapse that way. There's no logic - only explanation is that the columns were corrupted in advance and the plane hit was supported by other methods. I've heard that form engineers too, not just movies. It was 100% controlled demolition and it went completely that way as a motion.
Actually B29 bomber have crushed in Empire state in the 30's or anywhere about that time but as we know the building is still there. There's no need to compare the technology used in the late 1970's for building the way bigger WTC complex with the one from the one from ES. Of course 110 floor building is made according to possible plane crush..and huge like WTC could stand several actually.

On topic: "Corporation" from 2003 is a cool documentary ...showing the whole cynical face of big business.

Yes, it was a conspiracy of the ZOG, Microsoft and the aliens. I've already written about this and noone takes me seriously :(

You guys really need to overdose on rakia to understand me!!!

No bgrs, Osama hired a bunch of young Arabic dudes to fly huge airliners after a brief pilots course and they've managed to maneuver over Manhattan for a hour and then hit so precisely two 110 floors enormous buildings that they collapsed after 20 minutes for a few seconds like they were made from Trabant materials... :ohno:

Actually this does not have a precedent in history. Noone tested whether crashing a 767 in a 110 floor skyscraper would make it collapse or not. Besides, no plane crashed deliberately into some building before so I guess it was a hard thing for the US airforce to decide what to do provided the limited time they had to decide.

And yes, many theories popped up after that happened.

As i wrote ^^ there was, it was in 1945 no 30's and b25 not b29 but...

At 9:40 a.m. on Saturday July 28, 1945, a B-25 Mitchell bomber, piloted by Lieutenant Colonel William F. Smith, Jr., who was flying in a thick fog, accidentally crashed into the north side of the Empire State Building between the 79th and 80th floors, where the offices of the National Catholic Welfare Council were located. One engine shot through the side opposite the impact and another plummeted down an elevator shaft. The fire was extinguished in 40 minutes. Fourteen people were killed in the incident.[15][16] Elevator operator Betty Lou Oliver survived a plunge of 75 stories inside an elevator, which still stands as the Guinness World Record for the longest survived elevator fall recorded.[17] Despite the damage and loss of life, the building was open for business on many floors the following Monday.

more:
http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm

I can't believe that there are people outside US that think it was a real terrorist hit... fabrications have big history..
No need to tell you how bigger was WTC complex and how much more advanced technologies are used for building it. And as I said every building of that kind is made according to possible airplane hit it's just a regular part of the project's concept.

You can't just compare this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/B25-1_300.jpg/775px-B25-1_300.jpg

To this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Delta_AL_B767-300ER_N186DN_FRA.jpg/800px-Delta_AL_B767-300ER_N186DN_FRA.jpg

and can you compare the buildings:

http://www.911truth.dk/first/img/wtcConstructionLarge.jpg
and now look at this and tell where this 4 massive and enormous steel columns (among with other around 40) in the middle went??? and how they all disappeared and were melt down by jet fuel? Actually if it was just a really hard plane hit it would look pretty much like the construction picture in the worst scenario .. ^^

That's an interesting question. Although "jet fuel cannot melt down those steel constructions" does not necessarily mean "the US government blowed the building and blamed that on the Al-Quaida"

Ok, guys... first of all I'd like to apologize to ProMKD in case he felt insulted in some way by my remarks. I was only generalizing since he brought up this documentary... and I thought he believes this. And yes, the documentary it's interesting solely for making one think and try to debunk the information presented.

Second, I'd like to very shortly debunk some of the myths that have already been stated here and then we should all stop before we pollute this thread even more, ok?:D

It's not possible all of the huge and massive steel columns that were holding that enormous building to melt down and even if it was...the building won't collapse that way
Apart from conspiracy theorists nobody ever stated that the columns have melted. It's a proved fact that the steel columns only lost some of their resistance because of the intense heat. That, corroborated with the fact that a chunk of the core of the building was destroyed the moment the airliners hit , cause the subsequent collapse of the above floors which had a domino effect if you like on the rest of the floors.

've heard that form engineers too, not just movies. It was 100% controlled demolition and it went completely that way as a motion.
You know, there are good engineers and there are bad engineers just as there are good dentists and bad dentists. Try to keep this in mind. A diploma doesn't actually mean you know what you're talking about, it means you've graduated from a university.;)

Actually B29 bomber have crushed in Empire state in the 30's or anywhere about that time but as we know the building is still there.
So you say.:) Facts: it was a B-25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25), it crashed in 1945. Now, a fully loaded B-25 weighs just over 15 tonnes, and it's highly unlikely it would fly fully loaded over Manhattan, in which case, a B-25 only carrying fuel would weigh just short of 10 tonnes. It's top speed would be around 440 km/h, and again, highly unlikely above Manhattan in fog, don't you think?

The type of aircraft that hit the twin towers was Boeing 767-200. Max. weight: 143 tonnes; max speed: ~850 km/s. Not to mention that a 767-200 is three times the length of a B-25. Now... remember about momentum (p=mv)? It's quite obvious that the impact suffered by the twins was much more powerful than that suffered by the Empire State Building. Also the Empire State is build in a different way from WTC, a way that coupled with it's form makes it more solid. More about that incident in 1945 (http://history1900s.about.com/od/1940s/a/empirecrash.htm).:)

Of course 110 floor building is made according to possible plane crush..and huge like WTC could stand several actually.
They did in fact taken into account a possible plane (Boeing 707 AFAIK) crash when designing the twin towers, but not with so many of the core columns taken out and gallons of fuel that would weaken the structure. Also, in 1966, they didn't had complex computer models like we have today to predict what would happen to the towers.

No bgrs, Osama payed a bunch of young Arabic dudes to fly huge airliners after a brief pilots course and they've managed to maneuver over Manhattan for a hour and then hit so precisely two 110 floors enormous buildings that they collapsed after 20 minutes for a few seconds like they were made from Trabant materials...
It take hundreds of hours of courses and flying to learn how to safely operate a beast like a 767 or 757, true. But they weren't interested in soft landings, ATC procedures, transatlantic flights, avionics, FAA regulations etc. All they wanted was to crash in various landmarks and the weather was perfect for this. Trust me on this one... it's easier than it sounds once you get your bearing and take control. All you need is some hours in a Cessna, some practice in Microsoft Flight Simulator and average knowledge of NY's and DC's layouts.;) It's easy to spot the WTC or the Pentagon once you're in the vicinity of NYC and DC. And they weren't over Manhattan for an hour.:nuts: Also, the buildings didn't fell after 20 min, but after 56 min (South Tower) and 102 min (North Tower).:)

Aright 20 minutes in figuratively speaking ..less than hour and less than 2 hrs for the second...there's no enough time and no enough oxygen inside to make such a mess ..
1st - The collapse itself took just a few moments..it was like a free falling. NO way that building can collapse that way for damaged columns structure in the upper floors. The floors underneath would resist and safe some time in any case.
Also the jet fuel as you know burns out very quickly, the fire afterwards should have been supported from the inner materials only.
The collapse is symmetrical as we all saw that means that all of the columns should be equally damaged. I guess you know how possible is that.
Turning of the concrete into dust so called pulverisation of almost all of the concrete.. may be it's a result from the fire too...not from explosions and special materials.


But let's go back to the columns... the most logical and simple explanation.
If the plane and the jet fuel really made a huge damage to the steel columns structure in the upper upper part... and the floors start collapsing like a domino or like the pancakes effect...the other (undamaged) part of the columns (total of 47) just would stay sticking out in the sky. That's just what would happened if the upper floors pushed the other 70 and more downwards.
Even the official report can't deny the rivers of melted metal due to the huge number of witnesses. And admitted that the fuel can't entirely erase the steel structure. But of course they cannot explain it too.. Of course the structure was compromised before..we all have seen pics of some of the columns cutted in diagonal - that +the supporting explosions from underneath the crash scene can make this all structure disappear. It's simple.

and how they all disappeared and were melt down by jet fuel?
What disappeared where? Do you see the fuckin' pile? Wouldn't like that in my living room.:crazy:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/4719/wtcphotozv6.jpg

No need to tell you how bigger was WTC complex
The whole complex's size doesn't matter here. Each of the WTC twin towers were smaller than the Empire State Building. See for yourself below. In red are the two towers footprints overimposed on a Google Earth image, and in the lower-left corner you can see the ESB. All screenshots were taken at the exact zoom level, of course. ESB smaller than the entire WTC complex? Yes. Smaller than the twin towers? No way.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/664/wtcac1.jpg

Empire state 102 floors -floors area - 2,768,591 sq ft

WTC tower 110 floors -8.6 million sq ft

And how building 7 collapsed due to the collateral damage that took of the twin towers and just by fire that broke inside it...? Isn't that weird enough?

Look good again in your first pic Cosmin, are those ^^ 110 floors splinters ...? key worlds - explosions, pulverisation of the concrete, compromised columns...
Don't forget that there were no analysis to the remaining pieces of the columns..they just got rid of them.

The collapse is symmetrical as we all saw that means that all of the columns should be equally damaged. I guess you know how possible is that.
No it's not, and even with all the debris and dust around you can clearly see this, especially in the case of South Tower's collapse.;) If that's symetrical to you, I'm lindsay Lohan!:crazy:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1613/wtc2yq6.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4476/colzp2.jpeg

And how building 7 collapsed due to the collateral damage that took of the twin towers and just by fire that broke inside it...? Isn't that weird enough?
I was about to invite you to ask this question, but you were faster than me.:lol: I'm tired of all this typing, so I'll just copy/paste from screwloosechange.blogspot.com (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/)...
17. Claim: WTC 7, a 47 story office building 300 feet away from the North Tower, suddenly collapsed for no reason.

Truth: There was nothing sudden about it. The building was hit by falling debris from one of the towers, was missing much of one corner, had a huge hole in the middle and was on fire for hours. The building had started leaning and making creaking noises so fire department officials ordered the evacuation of the area over an hour earlier. Source (http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html) and here (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/06/wtc-7.html)

You can actually see WTC7 being hit...
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2074/wtc7hit1mr1.jpg

The damage sustained...
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2316/wtc7debrisdamagefm7.jpg

Can we please get back on-topic?:cheers:

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Look good again in your first pic Cosmin, are those 110 floors splinters ...? key worlds - explosions, pulverisation of the concrete, compromised columns...

Again from the same source...
21. Claim: 200,000 tons of steel shattered into sections no longer than a couple feet long.

Truth: Sections of the World Trade Center, often hundreds of feet long survived. Source (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/inside911/gallery_firemen_debris_world_trade_center.html)


Don't forget that there were no analysis to the remaining pieces of the columns..they just got rid of them.
No they didn't.;) I even remember seeing them on Discovery, filmed both at Ground Zero and after they were taken at some dump in Jersey (?).
27. Mayor Giuliani shipped off the remains of the World Trade Center before anyone could look at it.

Truth: FEMA, the FBI, the NTSB and the NIST all conducted in depth investigations, including removal and testing of debris. An extensive report is available at http://www.nist.gov/


28. Claim: Not even FEMA was allowed into Ground Zero.

Truth: False, they were involved in the investigation and even produced the first report. Source (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2006/05/coverup-that-wasnt.html)

Indeed the South tower starts to fall slopping at one sight....and for a moments the concrete in that part is turned to dust...and after that continue falling like a free fall.
nothing can't explain pulverisation and the melting metal, and the rivers of steel, and the missing steel structure.

And look at this and tell me this isn't a symmetrical and controlled collapse. It wouldn't be symmetrical if the building had fallen on one side.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw&feature=related


The video shows it clear..

controlled demolitions made by system of explosions:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cRaNwPGcQcM&feature=related

find the differences :)

^^Genius!:lol: If you make a vid with those three buildings filmed from angles that prohibit you to see:
-the slight tilting of WTC 1 & WTC 2 right when they started to collapse;
-the huge cave on the WTC 7
...of course it looks like demolitions. Are we taking facts here or making angles work for us? Anyway... my experience taught me trying to debunk myth like these for people that believe them is like trying to convince a believer that God doesn't exist. Both endevours are a waste of time. So let's get back on-topic or I'm outta here!:cheers:

So let's get back on-topic or I'm outta here!:cheers:

good idea ^^

Well, let's just accept that it was a controlled explosion - so who piloted the planes? Someone from a secret government organisation? No way. Or perhaps they coordinated their plans with the terrorists and blowed the buildings just after the crashes?

I'm seriously asking...how would you motivate someone to hijack a plane and crash it into a building?

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A good, thought provoking documentary is 9/11: The Falling Man (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810746/).
"The Falling Man" is a story about a photograph taken by Richard Drew at 9:41:15 a.m., on September 11, 2001. The story was written by Tom Junod and appeared in the September 2003 issue of Esquire magazine, about the World Trade Center during the September 11, 2001 attacks in New York City.

The subject of the image was one of the people (dubbed "jumpers" by the press) trapped on the upper floors of the building who apparently chose to jump rather than die from the fire and smoke. According to the documentary by the same title and the article in Esquire, this picture is somewhat deceptive; it gives the impression the man is falling straight down. In reality, this is just one of a dozen photographs of his fall. In the other photos, it is evident that he is tumbling through the air out of control.

Also, the Vertical City edition on the newly completed 7WTC was great, especially since it's shot in HD. Same goes for the edition on Cira Center (Philadelphia).

*In case you're wondering why I'm only posting link to IMDb, it's because I don't think posting link to torrets, so you can download these documentaries is liked by the mods around here.:D

I recommend:

Boris Despodov's documentary "Corridor # 8" (http://www.corridor8.info/) which received the Award of the Ecumenical Jury on February 8th 2008 in the Forum program of the 58th Berlinale...

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Seems interesting !!!

10 minutes by Ahmed Imamovic - Best Short Film
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I'm seriously asking...how would you motivate someone to hijack a plane and crash it into a building?

Why do you think that someone actually drove it :)