ive been compiling info/data for a diagram on the progression of the worlds tallest apartment tower from 1920;s until present.
This diagram is just a start.
Looks like the 2 towers in Dubai are neck and neck atm.(70m)
-being 23marina and princess tower.
Of course the 610m Chicago SPIRE will take over both but ill add that when its starts taking shape next year.
The 2 Dubai towers have different construction technique.
23marina has the whole floor /core slip form raise ,while princess tower has a central core with separate floor plates.

CURRENT tallest in world is Australias 322.5m Q1 Tower .while tallest to roof is melbournes 297m /91st Eureka.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1546518/2/istockphoto_1546518_q1_tower.jpg

while tallest to roof is melbournes 297m /91st Eureka.
http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/bts/archives/tallbuildings/08_Eureka/images/thumb.jpg

diagram progression

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9421/worldstallestresikv2.jpg

latest photos (march14)

Princess Tower

http://i3.tinypic.com/23r64uf.jpg

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9760/imresolt099di8.jpg


23 Marina
http://tinypic.com/dr3vqo.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7889/imresolt152tv5.jpg

the torch
http://i2.tinypic.com/1zoeo0w.jpg

http://docs.google.com/File?id=d5rhnmx_43g8sb8gtj

Maybe you'll have to add another one in a few months: Chongqing Century Star Plaza.

This project will be composed of 7 towers. The tallest tower is supposed to be 428m, 96 floors, only offices and hotel.

The other 6 towers are between 60 and 85 floors, being 1-3 of them above 300m, and the tallest one as high as 400m, some rumours claim. And no spires!! These 6 towers will be for residential use only. No clear details about the heights by the moment, and even the number of floors is provisional. However, the second tallest tower of this mega project might be used as a hotel only, I'm not sure. Hope we can get details soon, this project is a huge enigma.

I don't think those skyscrapers in Chongqing will get built finally. They proposed lots of skycrapers in Chongqing, but none get built.

If Q1 is "TALLER" than Eureka, then CN Tower is TALLLER than Taipei 101, no?

If I am 5'8" and stand next to a guy who is 5'10" and put a pencil on top of my head, am I TALLER than him?

How do these rules work?

If Q1 is "TALLER" than Eureka, then CN Tower is TALLLER than Taipei 101, no?

If I am 5'8" and stand next to a guy who is 5'10" and put a pencil on top of my head, am I TALLER than him?

How do these rules work?

mate you are opeing a can of worms here, Spiures count but antenas dont so Pertonas and T101 are taller that Sears based on this logic but highest ocupyable floor is Sears.

Thats why they created 4 catagories for measuring height and the first one is to top of spire (as used by Guiness book of records)

how much is 1fl standard height??? 4m??

This will be interesting :)

Cul, the 345 meters tall The Torch, has been growing steady by 1 floor week for the last 3 weeks and their podium floors are already completed so there's nothing left on the bottom.

Also at least 3 of the podium floors of the Princess Tower are partially completed as well

I don't think those skyscrapers in Chongqing will get built finally. They proposed lots of skycrapers in Chongqing, but none get built.

You should visit this thread:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=381842

how much is 1fl standard height??? 4m??

Its between 2800 & 3100 there is no "standard", but there is a minimum

Great thread!!! Your diagrams are so hot!!!! :omg:

Interesting figures. Puts things into perspective, this an extreme block.

mate you are opeing a can of worms here, Spiures count but antenas dont so Pertonas and T101 are taller that Sears based on this logic but highest ocupyable floor is Sears.

Thats why they created 4 catagories for measuring height and the first one is to top of spire (as used by Guiness book of records) No, Taipei 101 has the highest occupiable floor. It hold 3 of the 4 records, beaten only by Sears' pinnacle.

Anyway, this race is looking exciting, well as exciting as slow construction can be.

If Q1 is "TALLER" than Eureka, then CN Tower is TALLLER than Taipei 101, no?

If I am 5'8" and stand next to a guy who is 5'10" and put a pencil on top of my head, am I TALLER than him?

How do these rules work?

spires ( like the one on Q1 ) count to the structural height, but not antennas ( like the one on Sears tower...the reason why it isn't taller than Taipe 101 ).

if spire or feature on roof is intricate to design, then its counted in overall height.
Yes, there are categories for worlds tallest buildings, but not sure if there is for apartment towers yet? thus far, its top of structural top.
Ive found avergae floor for apartments are about 3meters. but seems in Dubai there are more generous with 3.6 up to 4m.
Alrind-ive added in Torch, i didnt realise it was that far along? be intresting to see what happens in the race. ill have to update every month.
ive also thrown in Eureka in melbourne as they say its the worlds tallest apartments because it has most floors and highest roof ect.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9421/worldstallestresikv2.jpg

Thanks for the effort. Isn;t Chicago Spire an apartment tower too?

^yes, it will take over from princess tower but atm its still piling stage, so ill add it in next year when its out of ground.

This is Anacona Tower in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic; a 300 mts tall residencial building.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6218/anacaona27su5.jpg

Dear Culwulla:

For you and all forum, you are leaving out Panama, in Central America, where one of the tallest residential buildings is under construction by spanish group Mall. See link http://www.farosdepanama.com/indexEN.html

Also you can check the advances on the project on this pictures

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/2349959363_a175e91999_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2349955067_9c44fa5b0e_b.jpg

This is not the only residential tower being built in Panama. There are also other projects such as Trump Oceans Tower with 293 mts, and the Megapolis second tower also both under construction with one of the towers surpassing the 350 mts.

TRUMP OCEAN CLUB
http://www.condominiumcentral.net/property-images/Trump%20Panama%201.jpg

MEGAPOLIS
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9780/01vk6.jpg

hold on a sec.
i know there is about 20 x 300m+ apartment towers currently uc around the world.
This diagram/thread is about the NEXT tallest which overtakes CURRENT tallest. A chronological study.
Also they have to be PURE-RESIDENTIAL, no hotel or office, mixed use ect.

The panama bldgs seem to be very early excavation stage, so none of them will ever be worlds tallest.

so they have to be very advanced to make diagram and taller then Q1. ect

sorry for confusion

Very interesting diagram updates ! And so are the panama projects even tough located in the wrong thread... Thanks to all...

So a stick is in as long as it's not a stick with a radio or tv receiver in it or on the end of it, and if it is, then it's not a stick and it doesn't count?

Surely the highest floor on a building where you can work/sleep/eat/whatever would be an easier universally agreed measure?

I recall the mother of all PR battles erupting here in Australia when Q1 claimed it was the "tallest apartment tower in the world" and then the Eureka people said "yes, that would be true if people could live and sleep on top of the stick".

Then there was talk Eureka would add its own stick but that wouldn't count because it wasn't part of the "original design"!

Talk abour making it confusing!

Richard Tallest will be Pentominium at 516m and its approved and in prep stage, wont top out before these 3 but will be taller eventually and will be U/C at some point whilst the others are also U/C.
Should be added

^yes i was thinking of adding Pentominium but chicagos spire is actually more advanced with deep piling. I dont think pentomium is piliing yet? i know its excavation stage.
i might add it to see outcome?
once Chicagos spire gets above grd it will take off with ist spiralling construction.
The 3 in dubai will be completed next year so they are a definate.
taking bets for which one is completed first?
such amazing times in skyscraper era.

No point adding any more tower. It'll be a year and a half at least before the pentominium is at the same stage

^^ But The Torch can be added.

You can see from this picture from today, how The Torch (foreground) is neck-in-neck with the Princess (background)

http://i29.tinypic.com/dzxt7n.jpg

yes, the 3 towers i have there are all potentially worlds next tallest apartment tower. this is what thread is about.
It will be really interesting to see them rises up at differing speeds.

All will be dwarfed by 610m Chicago spire in 2011 by 200m. Chicago Spire is the "burj Dubai" of apartment towers. really will set a new benchmark for great height for unit blocks. maybe a while before we get an 'all apartment" tower higher then 2000ft?

if spire or feature on roof is intricate to design, then its counted in overall height.
Yes, there are categories for worlds tallest buildings, but not sure if there is for apartment towers yet? thus far, its top of structural top.
Ive found avergae floor for apartments are about 3meters. but seems in Dubai there are more generous with 3.6 up to 4m.
Alrind-ive added in Torch, i didnt realise it was that far along? be intresting to see what happens in the race. ill have to update every month.
ive also thrown in Eureka in melbourne as they say its the worlds tallest apartments because it has most floors and highest roof ect.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9421/worldstallestresikv2.jpg

This is probably in the wrong thread but since the topic was brought up here, based on your description I'm not really sure that Freedom Tower should be considered 1776' tall. In the original design the spire was integral into the design, in the present design the "Spire" is nothing more than a fancy antenna and in actuality is just stuck on top of the building. The building really loses nothing if it is not built.

well alot of guess work and hear say.
im trying to keep accurate from latest data/photos. thanks for members finding most recent on flickr.
getting very even. torch seems to be catching

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8413/worldstallestresiapirl2dn2.jpg

go figure, Dubai, yawnnnnn

If we are talking about residential towers, than The Pentominium should be the highest. When completed it stand at the same height as taipei101.

^^ higher actually by 8m

i think the Chicago spire will finish before pentominium.

they asked santiago how high the other world tallest resis will be.
"about this high"
http://wibiti.com/images/hpmain/209/205209.jpg

If Q1 is "TALLER" than Eureka, then CN Tower is TALLLER than Taipei 101, no?

If I am 5'8" and stand next to a guy who is 5'10" and put a pencil on top of my head, am I TALLER than him?

How do these rules work?

To continue the analogy properly, you would be the tallest to top of pencil category, whereas he would win the tallest to hairline category.

There are at least four categories for tall buildings, Burj Dubai will make things easy by winning all of them. But saying something is cheating makes no sense at all, It isn't cheating to make a building have a pointy top rather than a flat one, it might just miss out in some of the categories.

If i was on stilts and holding on to a lampost to stay upright, i would be the tallest non freestanding out of the lot of us!

@ above image ....Is chicago spire so high than the present U/C dubai resi... towers (torch, princess.....) ??

Chicago Spire is at ground work at the moment (sub-structural work), if that is what you were asking.

CS will definitely be finished before Pentominium

may1 update. all very even now. only 3m dif
torch has caught up. princess towwer hasnt moved only its floor plates.
now 23marina is highest but i reckon torch will leave them behind from next week.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2450054877_e266965e2e_o.jpg

Looks like we are going to see exciting moments in this race, it is very close now. :)

update
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2289/2503844315_c5943ee939_o.jpg

They are going neck and neck, i will be a nice race to watch:)

so crazy, never thought there will be ever a construction race of the 3 tallest Residental Towers :nuts:

but i think Torch will be next tallest as its the shortest out of the 3, thus will finish up first.
It has 5 less floors then 23 marina and a simple top structure compared to the others.
then i think 23 marina and then a few months later princess tower? thats 3 in 1 year.lol

Three in one year in the same city. Now that is crazy..

As far as I see in the diagrams, the Princess Tower is slowing down as the others are continuing constantly. Actually it doesnt matter cuz its certain that it will be that tallest residential (not counting chicago spire yet).

i think Torch will hold title for a few months then 23marina and eventually princess tower. Then in 2011 the reigns will be given to mighty Spire in Chicago.
who knows how long spire will have title?
i can only see Al Burj beating it and thats ONLY if thats pure resi tower?

^yes i concur. i think The Spire will hold title for looooooong time.

Hello, CULWULLA!
Your diagrams are fantastic! But why you won't register to skyscraperpage.com?

^yes i concur. i think The Spire will hold title for looooooong time.

Same here, its amazing that a supertall of 610m/2000ft is entirely residential! Especially in the US. They are doing the right thing by marketing it worldwide, a lot of wealthy people are needed to fill those 150 floors!!! They shouldn't have much trouble doing so with it being such a prominent structure designed by Calatrava, tallest in North America, great location in a great city! However I have a feeling that by the time the Spire is completed, Dubai will have announced/started a new taller all-residential tower, probably in the marina area judging by how many they are building there already.

^yes i concur. i think The Spire will hold title for looooooong time.

when dubai wouldn't exist i would say you're right :D

the torch looks the best

chicago spire?

^that will be added next year when it gets above ground.

incredible.thanks for posting.

^that will be added next year when it gets above ground.

next year? the Core of the CS will probably above streetlevel before the end of this year :)

^wow, that would be cool.

It doesn't matter. Chicago spire will have no chance of being the next tallest residential building ... I mean the next, after the C1.

^^Do you mean Q1?

^^ Obviously. :hammer: :D

It doesn't matter. Chicago spire will have no chance of being the next tallest residential building ... I mean the next, after the C1.

ahh yeh, a bit unlikely :lol:

ok, ive added SPIRE.

i worked out its 4mper floor but only got 145floors? ive ben told highest resi floor is 568m .
first resi floor at 41m high. floor11.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2188/2526887270_f6fdb049d1_o.jpg

^^ Shouldn't a 3.2 or 3.7 meter be a more standart floor height?

edit

^^ Shouldn't a 3.2 or 3.7 meter be a more standart floor height?
i scaled an official elevation and measured 10 floors which equaled right on 40m.
so i also thought each floor would be about 3.6m. anyway ill work it out. ill amend it as time goes on.

Cul, why dont you draw the current situation of Chicago Spire too?

I mean the core hall, cranes, etc...

Because of consistency I think, he hasnt illustrated the core for any of the buildings, and The Spire is just a reference object for height here.

i was going to show core of spire. It is 26m wide but im not sure how high it goes up at that diametre.? it has to reduce in size at it rises.

Chicago Spire eats tham all for breakfast, amazingly tall:cheers:

Shame there are going to no observation decks on any of these buildings. Or are they?

^^ Q1 Tower has an observation deck. In addition these towers are residential. Thats the main reason why they dont have observatory.

Q1 (Queensland One) -its state of Australia) has observation because its the tallest bldg on the Gold Coast and devloper realized it would make a lot of $$ if it had a rooftop observatory. Since the city didnt have any public observatorys and this was an iconic building, it seemed perfect to add one.
Gold coast is primarily a city of residential towers and hotels. not really a place for tall office blocks.thus another reason why an observatory on top of a unit block.

it such a great design!
http://www.qdeck.com.au/

modelled on sydneys Olympic torch

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/228688022_be57ad1258.jpg?v=1157158144

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c73/velco/_DSC0075.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2325/2262060085_7c7104e81f_b.jpg

observation decks on lev77 and 78
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1277/1275720514_eb5c1042e4.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/439236794_7e53346de7.jpg?v=0

ive added pentominium
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2350/2532211497_6bc40d1b2b_o.jpg

^^Why does Chicago Spire's core top out at 300 meters. Is the remaining upper part steel like SWFC?

^no i mentioned in other thread i only had internal plans for lower floors. the core is 26m dia. somewhere up it reduces in size but im not sure where. i will have to find out.

update. looks like 23marina is pushing ahead the quickest. princess towers core still hasnt moved in months, but floors are rising.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2582222414_7ecb58d215_o.jpg

June14th

http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b8d834b3127ccec40a305347d400000026108AZuHLly1btwe3nww

Thanks Cul. As far as i see 23 Marina is getting faster whereas the Princess is getting slower. Btw, wasnt the Torch 345 meters? Height change?

Pentominium is one anorexic tower, just like the Burj.
Very very skinny.

Thanks Cul. As far as i see 23 Marina is getting faster whereas the Princess is getting slower. Btw, wasnt the Torch 345 meters? Height change?
yes, apparently some one has seen plans and its 338m to spire.

hope princess will speed up until july or August again...the core was damn fast in the beginning

update
pentominium now has a 209m spire attached to side which will reach 618m, making it highest point of apartments in world come 2011

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2650683801_56e9b0e93a_o.jpg

heres a pic with all 3 at Dubai marina shown at current stage
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6311/2620523547df7a5eb1e3bmj3.jpg

looks like 23marina is rising fastest and princess is snail pace.

It's time for Chicago SPIRE to install a SPIRE on the building, however I agree it would have a weird appearance. If there was a 550 meter flood, you still could live in Chicago Spire!!! Pentominium would be water world!!! If Pentominium wants to beat the record, then they should make it like 170 floors and upgrade the foundation design.

Cul's diagram illustrates how silly the rules are. Is Pentominium really the talllest ?

yes it is the tallest !!!

yes it is !!!

Sure, I'm going to grow my hair really long and butch it up so I can be taller than Yao Ming.

Sure, I'm going to grow my hair really long and butch it up so I can be taller than Yao Ming.

^^:lol::lol::lol::lol:

:tiasd:

Looks like another Eureka vs Q1 debate on which is the tallest but of course alot higher with the Spire and Pentominium.
IMO yes technically if you go on highest point of structure then sure the building with the spire wins but if you are professing to live in the tallest residential building in the world then it should relate to who has the highest floor/roof. It's not like one could reside on a pole, I suppose you could but it would be very windy/cold/no room to move etc etc.

lol even the chicago spire's highest liveable floor is 100 meters higher than pentominium... talk about cheap.

lol even the chicago spire's highest liveable floor is 100 meters higher than pentominium... talk about cheap.

Exactly the same heated debate we had here in Australia b/t E & Q1.

lol even the chicago spire's highest liveable floor is 100 meters higher than pentominium... talk about cheap.
It's indeed far more interesting to look at the highest apartments in an all residential.

Pic from MisterMark :okay:

http://i35.tinypic.com/156y4vn.jpg



:eek:

i love the roof tops of all dubain towers. they all contribute to enhance skyline. will give it a real NYC feel within next decade.

No spire yet on the pentominium in this model

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2620/ripples0smallio8.jpg


Highres

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/576/ripples0br1.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ripples0br1.jpg)

in reference to the chicago spire, i couldn't live that high up. i couldn't do it.......lol. i'd be throwing up everyday.

Try to avoid city vs city stuff please. :)
Also, if you want to talk about dubai supertalls use this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=624643&page=5

TORCH has slowed down due to lev30 plantroom. will take off again soon with next 25 floors .
23 marina is speeding ahead but will also slow soon due to lev33 plantrooms.
Princess tower has most advanced with external cladding.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2686677751_9a2b57ca7a_o.jpg

What if the 342 meters Al Attar Tower in Sheik Zayed Road turns out to be a fully residential tower? Then we would have the new tallest soonier then we all thought. :runaway:

pentominium feels like cheating

pentominium is :tiasd:

i love the roof tops of all dubain towers. they all contribute to enhance skyline. will give it a real NYC feel within next decade.

Sorry, but I don't think Dubai's skyline will rival NYC's because Dubai's towers are nearly all glassy and new, while NYC's has glassy and new but a mix and is a much more dense area than Dubai. IMHO Although Dubai's skyline is nice.

What if the 342 meters Al Attar Tower in Sheik Zayed Road turns out to be a fully residential tower? Then we would have the new tallest soonier then we all thought. :runaway:

oh yeah? what has useage planned thus far? was it mixed?

imre took this last week
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3095/2681123597_04fb0bf26a_o.jpg

oh yeah? what has useage planned thus far? was it mixed?

i think it was going to be a hotel and residential

update
pentominium now has a 209m spire attached to side which will reach 618m, making it highest point of apartments in world come 2011

With a 209.5m spire on top of Chicago Spire, it will reach 819.5m, surpasing Burj Dubai by 0.5m to become WTB :naughty:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/untitled2.jpg

:banana: :tiasd: :banana:

Maybe they will pull out a "Chrysler". :D

:lol: ^^ haha CS looks like the whale with a horn

Yeah. As cool as it would be to have the WTB in America it dosn't look good.

the old CS design had also an tall spire on top....why not :D

With a 209.5m spire on top of Chicago Spire, it will reach 819.5m, surpasing Burj Dubai by 0.5m to become WTB :naughty:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/untitled2.jpg

:banana: :tiasd: :banana:

Maybe they will pull out a "Chrysler". :D



:cheers::cheers::cheers::nuts::nuts::nuts:

Great update OTR ...

the old CS design had also an tall spire on top....why not :D

Yes, but I belive the roof was much lower than now. :)

http://www.techblog.cz/images/fordham-spire-z-blizka.jpg

^^ Of course it was. Airforce restrictions are for the total height of the structure, not the top habitable floor. :D

Sorry, but I don't think Dubai's skyline will rival NYC's because Dubai's towers are nearly all glassy and new, while NYC's has glassy and new but a mix and is a much more dense area than Dubai. IMHO Although Dubai's skyline is nice.

I agree with you, WA. The history of skyscrapers adds to a skyline because there are a variety of heights and architectural styles. When every tower is covered entirely with glass (which is not the case in Dubai, but fairly close) and there is a lack of height progression, the skyline looks too new.

Possibly in several decades will Dubai begin to rival Hong Kong, New York or Chicago. But, today that is not the case.

those two thin towers look so cool, whats the height and width please ?

those two thin towers look so cool, whats the height and width please ?

Are you referring to this image: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3095/2681123597_04fb0bf26a_o.jpg?

The tall building on the left is the Rose Rotana Tower (also known as Rose Tower). It will soon be the world's tallest hotel (once it opens), surpassing the Burj Al Arab. It is 333 metres (1,093 ft) tall, with 72 floors.

The tall building still under construction on the right is the Ahmed Abdul Rahim Al Attar Tower (this is just the current, working name; the official name will be announced later). It is expected to be 301 metres (988 ft) tall, with 76 floors.

^^ 342 meters tall actually, the tower is already a supertall and the crown on top has yet to start.

loverofdubai has been away for a while.
you cant stay away too long form these forums.lol

thanx guys

Dubai Marina , 01 /Aug/2008

pics of the tallest block here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/imresolt/sets/72157606496515013/

sorry for the wrong watermark.

update
torch hasnt moved in a month
23marina powering along.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3066/2779856204_45fc6d2e7c_b.jpg

You can now add marina 101 to this list as well :)

^^ Marina 101 is not residential. More then half of the tower will be Crownee Plaza Hotel Apartments.

oh yeah? what has useage planned thus far? was it mixed?

Seeing that the bottom 1/3 has balconies suggests the bottom is indeed residential, however the rest have what seams to be some double height floors and that is interesting. Would they be loft style apartments or double floor offices. I think we have to wait for long to find it out, is not that the developer is known to communicate with the public, plus the space can only be leased in SZR so "transparency with the public" is in-existent.

what's the definition though? Because Silk City in Kuwait is majorly going to be apartments and it's 1,100 meters

Princess tower Dubai looks like a shit kitsch fairytale tower. I don't like it! The others look good!

^^ You mean like from a "1001 nights" story with prince and princesses? Guess what ...

what's the definition though? Because Silk City in Kuwait is majorly going to be apartments and it's 1,100 meters

i only know the definition they write on Emporis. they say over 90% apartements it is an residental tower.

but i don't belive Burj Mubarak will have 90% residental using ^^

I work on the 40th floor of a skyscraper in London and when the wind blows it moves ....... A lot! It doesn't sway, it judders, like the ground shakes when a huge train goes past.

If it does that on the 40th, what would it be like on the 140th floor. Would anyone really want to live in an apartment that is constantly shaking?

p.s. my building is steel with a concrete core - I presume an all concrete structure wouldn't move as much.

I work on the 40th floor of a skyscraper in London and when the wind blows it moves ....... A lot! It doesn't sway, it judders, like the ground shakes when a huge train goes past.

If it does that on the 40th, what would it be like on the 140th floor. Would anyone really want to live in an apartment that is constantly shaking?

p.s. my building is steel with a concrete core - I presume an all concrete structure wouldn't move as much.

but your building probably doesnt have a damper

If it does that on the 40th, what would it be like on the 140th floor. Would anyone really want to live in an apartment that is constantly shaking?



I heard from people living in the john hancock tower in chicago, that they're used to the constant swinging of the building. I think you can get used to pretty much everything.

I heard from people living in the john hancock tower in chicago, that they're used to the constant swinging of the building. I think you can get used to pretty much everything.

Yes, and somme people live on a boat. :)

Cul's diagram illustrates how silly the rules are. Is Pentominium really the talllest ?


I completely agree...spires should never be counted as height....should be the roof of the top floor. Biggest example so far is the Petronas Towers....never shoulda been counted as a WTB.

I also agree about the tops and sides of the buildings in Dubai....very cool architecture. I think the skyline will be the best anywhere in a few short years.

I work on the 40th floor of a skyscraper in London and when the wind blows it moves ....... A lot! It doesn't sway, it judders, like the ground shakes when a huge train goes past.

If it does that on the 40th, what would it be like on the 140th floor. Would anyone really want to live in an apartment that is constantly shaking?

p.s. my building is steel with a concrete core - I presume an all concrete structure wouldn't move as much.

If you think about it it shouldn't be as bad in a larger building. Sure the distance it moves at the top is greater but what's important is not the distance, not the speed but the acceleration. A larger building will have smaller accelerations.

^^ Building build out of Steel are more prone to movements. Conrete buildings are way more solid; I've been countless times at the bar on top of Emirates Jumeirah Hotel Tower, almost 250 meters above ground, and I have never felt even the slightest of movement.

same with the TV Tower in Berlin, i didn't felt anything

I completely agree...spires should never be counted as height....should be the roof of the top floor. Biggest example so far is the Petronas Towers....never shoulda been counted as a WTB.



That's why CTBUH use 4 categories for measuring height for tallest building, in that case for tallest residential, Pentominium will hold first and fourth categories by his spire and the CS will hold the second and third categories by his roof height.

wow, the Spire looks way fatter than Pentominium! Fatter than anything in fact other than Eureka Tower. We need to get the first FAA height breaker but it is difficult, but not impossible to exceed the height, I guess if you build an 800m tower, you would need like a 2km diameter 'no fly zone'

looks like 23marina will be next worlds tallest apartments ,

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3209/2816052990_44fa35aeb0_o.jpg

woooooooooow

the pentominium just looks ridiculous with that spire, a poor attempt to add hight to a good design. Lesson 1 on how to ruin a building....

i only know the definition they write on Emporis. they say over 90% apartements it is an residental tower.

but i don't belive Burj Mubarak will have 90% residental using ^^

ctbuh definition is 85 % for residential

the pentominium just looks ridiculous with that spire, a poor attempt to add hight to a good design. Lesson 1 on how to ruin a building....

why not a good spire for a good design

The whole concept behind this block, whilst undoubtedly impressive for its sheer size, is ridiculous. Why the urban designers decided that cramming in supertall residential blocks next to each other was a good idea I'll never know. Theres a few beauties in here like the Pentonium and Ocean Heights but I fear their impact and quality will be lost in amongst all the dross.

The whole concept behind this block, whilst undoubtedly impressive for its sheer size, is ridiculous. Why the urban designers decided that cramming in supertall residential blocks next to each other was a good idea I'll never know.
True, and the first 50 floors of most buildings will have no view, cos' they are too close togheter.

I'm sure Marina skyline would have been better if all those tovers would have been spread across the Marina.

The whole concept behind this block, whilst undoubtedly impressive for its sheer size, is ridiculous. Why the urban designers decided that cramming in supertall residential blocks next to each other was a good idea I'll never know. Theres a few beauties in here like the Pentonium and Ocean Heights but I fear their impact and quality will be lost in amongst all the dross.
There is no design concept.
Emaar just made all those plots unlimited height and charged twice or three times as much to fill their pockets, simple as that.
In fact I don't think even they anticipated this would happen since at first all the towers were about 50 to 60 floors high. Then came ocean heights, princess tower and najad tower which were all around the same height, about 330m (yes, princess tower was smaller). Everybody thought "WTF????" Then we had 23 marina and the torch, then infinity, then marina 101 and elite residence. The princess tower's height was increased and everybody was thinking :nuts:
Then as soon as we thought they couldn't possibly get any taller we got the pentominium and damac heights.

Yes but its all rather silly isn't it and suggests that there is no development control whatsoever, more like build what you like where you like. This tallest block on the planet is a disaster in terms of urban design. Consider the potential of the marina and how it would have looked with these supertalls spread out more rather than bunched together offering very poor amenity and visual aspect for many residents. Dubai's hardly struggling for sites like much more developed and dense cities. I can't imagine paying to live 90 floors up, my view dominated by another tower barely 50-100m away. Its all so unneccessary and ill concieved.

Yes but its all rather silly isn't it and suggests that there is no development control whatsoever, more like build what you like where you like. This tallest block on the planet is a disaster in terms of urban design.
Yes it is, especially considering the potential marina sky towers getting built :nuts:

Consider the potential of the marina and how it would have looked with these supertalls spread out more rather than bunched together.
Would have looked fantastic! Something like Chicago maybe?

I think having the front row would still be OK, and would be insanely impressive still. Would be great if that large car park or boat park in front of the first row could be turned into a park then.

I think they've lost the plot not only with this area but with the entire marina.

I can't imagine paying to live 90 floors up, my view dominated by another tower barely 50-100m away. Its all so unneccessary and ill concieved.
50m-100m ?

Try 20m at one side of the tower and 40m at the other... :nuts:


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Would have looked fantastic! Something like Chicago maybe?

Exactly. Supertalls spaced out forming the peaks with smaller developments in between forming clusters and troughs between the big boys. It could have been a very dramatic and dynamic skyline, as it stands I think its going to look very odd. The Pentonium would look stunning as part of a cluster with a smattering of 150m-300m buildings around it. They had a blank canvas at the Marina and the blew it as far as I'm concerned. Still as long as it makes the developer pots of money who cares huh....

imre took this last week
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3095/2681123597_04fb0bf26a_o.jpg I dont know why, but this IMHO is sooo cheap & nasty looking:ohno:

5/Sept/2008

Dubai Marina, tallest block

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Noobie to this forum. Wasn't sure where to post and could not find a search facility.

I am looking for detailed drawings of the Q1, including measurements. Width of base, length of base, width across back, front etc. Are they available anywhere?

see thread

hey you do know that the Q1 is actually 383m tall but anyways.
i like it :)

^^ Yeah right ... please check what keyboard buttons you press before clicking on "Post Reply" :laugh:

hey you do know that the Q1 is actually 383m tall but anyways.
i like it :)

where did you read that? :lol:

hey you do know that the Q1 is actually 383m tall but anyways.
i like it :)
Hey you do know that the ESB is actually 541m tall but anyways....

hey you do know that the Q1 is actually 383m tall but anyways.
i like it :)

hey do you know i've been to the top of Q1 and stayed at the hotel, but anyways

Q1 is 322.5m tall.
it hasnt got hotel rooms,it has some serviced apartments.
next useless post?

next useless post?
If you have 3 quarters, 4 dimes, and 4 pennies, you have $1.19. You also have the largest amount of money in coins without being able to make change for a dollar. :)

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diagram update. all towers are at lev35. princess tower has caught up.
pentonminium is now well below grd. chicago spire has stopped until global climate rectifies itself.

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Great Update CUL. :)

About chicago spire, does the core change at 300m height?, it looks as though from the diagram.

About chicago spire, does the core change at 300m height?, it looks as though from the diagram.

It gets narrower as it becomes higher.

Perhaps we'll be seeing some apartments measuring up to the Burj someday here... :cheers:

i dont know. the highest in burj dubai will be about 380m. the SPIRE in chicago will be tallest units in world with units at 580m. i think 600m or 2000ft maybe as high as humans should live. but who knows.

Why is Pentonium before Spire?

618 Meters!

^^
516m and a 209m height cheating spire!! :ohno:

Doesn't look like it is even part of the building...
Slapped on just for height!

Yeah but now the CS, is on hold.. So the race is on for those left in the game :lol:

i drew up pentominium when it was 516m. then they added spire. so ive left it.
looks like pentomium may get finsished before spire anyhow. so they are in right order.lol

I think you should add ocean heights and infinity tower. Ocean Heights is rising more quickly than princess and the torch despite the awkward floorplans. The contractor for infinity tower is the same as that for ocean heights so that should rise quickly once it gets going as well. Also you never know what might happen, for example princess tower could go on hold for a year which would affect the outcome of what gets done first.
Don't know if marina 106 is purely res or not.

^^ Ocean Height is indeed faster then TP or TT and being shorter it should be completed before them, but it is not a contender for WTRB, being shorter then the current title holder (taller roof though).

i wud actually have sex with the princess tower ;-)

well ive updated diagram.
princess tower is really progressing while 23marina has slowed to snail pace. torch is back on track
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3238/2979745642_2a1d0be5ec_o.jpg

CULWULLA;
where is your October super tall diagram?
did any one bother you with any thing regarding that?!!:)

:ohno:
man,I honestly look for 2 things at the begining of a month; your diagram and my salary....imagine my spirit next month when I dont see any of them! :fiddle::cry::fiddle:

Is the chicago spire halted? all i ever seen is a hole in the ground.

^^Yes it is !! :bash:

yeah I guest they didn't like the idea of pentominium be the second tallest. So they add the cheap spire what a smack to the face from the people who love this tower.

CULWULLA;
where is your October super tall diagram?
did any one bother you with any thing regarding that?!!:)

i might just do a nov one. gets too hard decifering thru 50 threads. i havent got time

^^man, I know your great efforts to present that diagram will amuse every body around the world who loves super talls......I mean do the math, thats really alot of people!:)
Trust me, if I know anyone else who can do it better, I'll be bothering him too by now!!:lol:

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that pic is heavy shit

At night

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It does not show there are many people live in the tower.

Yes for some reason marina crown, le reve and emirates crown are all pretty much deserted right now. It's understandable with le reve since that tower has only two or one apartment per floor so those are probably all second or third homes. Some towers are sometimes bought out by only a few people and they hang on and wait for the price to rise. Yes this is bad.

Most of the towers are occupied but sometimes you see sections of buildings, or even whole buildings themselves completely empty

It also depends what time you take your picture at. Don't expect too many lights on at 3am. :)

A picture of a different park of the marina

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2554/dsc01667664254qf3.jpg

princess tower is now a skyscraper @ 152m/500ft high.
23 marina is 150m.
followed by torch @ 133m
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/3004357448_f87c893e29_b.jpg

The Pentominium is one of my favorites.

i didnt really like the spiral...
the pentominium is great.. and different..

i love the chicago spire.

Maybe we should remove the Chicago Spire from the pic - it is on hold. Most likely for many years, if it's gonna be built at all. Sadly.

Do they include the height of the antennaes on top of the buildings?

^^ Antenas no, spires yes. :tongue2: ;)

antennas should be counted if they contribute to the overall design. eg-sears tower, John hancock, ESB ect. basically if a building looks wrong or incomplete with its antenna or spire it should be included in height. antenna like the one on former WTC was one that shouldnt be included.

The antenna-spire discussion again ??

Forget the spire/antenna discussion... I use the building's highest useable floor to determine the building's stature... this is where pentominium loses to the spire... and by over 200m.

Speaking of usable floor space, what is the typical percentage of floors that are actually USED (occupied) in Dubai? It appears to be a ghost town most of the year. My guess is UNDER 50% occupied... glass (building's) half-full.

^^ You ignore a very simple but meaningfull fact: Most of towers in Dubai are residential and hotels and not offices, therefore people don't have to leave the lights on at night when none is in or when they're at sleep. :|

That statement, which is true, does not answer my question...

I am interested to know if the occupancys in the Dubai buildings are actually filled with people that actually live there or by people who spend a weekend there or are waiting to flip. It seeems scary to think that these HUGE buildings are occupied by only a few...

princess tower is now a skyscraper @ 152m/500ft high.
23 marina is 150m.
followed by torch @ 133m
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/3004357448_f87c893e29_b.jpg
The heights are amazing :nuts: :)
Pentominium will be the second highest tower in Dubai after Burj tower ;)

That statement, which is true, does not answer my question...

I am interested to know if the occupancys in the Dubai buildings are actually filled with people that actually live there or by people who spend a weekend there or are waiting to flip. It seeems scary to think that these HUGE buildings are occupied by only a few...

ESB, constructed during Great Depression, take several years to have a fully occupancy why not Dubai ?

However Cul, why the Landmark of Abu Dhabi with 324 m is not include in the "Race" ? by the few numbers of floors I suppose ?

I like it. Nice tower

ESB, constructed during Great Depression, take several years to have a fully occupancy why not Dubai ?

However Cul, why the Landmark of Abu Dhabi with 324 m is not include in the "Race" ? by the few numbers of floors I suppose ?

im pretty sure landmark is mixed use? it has to be 90% residential.

i know you must have said this like a thousand times, but what is going on with the chicago spire, is it on hold?

^^Yes it is.... :bash:

q1 still looks the best but eureka is also pretty cool so don't know which ones the best...

im pretty sure landmark is mixed use? it has to be 90% residential.

yeah its a mixed use

q1 still looks the best but eureka is also pretty cool so don't know which ones the best...
love both of them

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im pretty sure landmark is mixed use? it has to be 90% residential.

thanks Cul, my question form from this link

http://www.ctbuh.org/Portals/0/Tallest/CTBUH_TallestResidential.pdf
and CTBUH consider single-function building at 85 % of total floor area.

01/December/2008

Dubai Marina, tallest block

Marina Heights,The Torch,Princess Tower,MAG 218, Marina Pinnacle,Elite Residences,Marina Crown,Sulafa Tower, Ocean Heights,Tamani Mrina Hotel , Al Seef Tower, 23 Marina, etc..

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What about the project of the tower in Dubai (1km height, with 230+ floors) Are going to built the tower?

^^ it's mixed use

update
23marina hasnt moved in 4 weeks
torch is quickly moving up again and caught up
while princess is also going well- now same height as Washington Monument!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3279/3074726673_6b8c213196_b.jpg

This is fun,
Where do I place my bets on who will win the race?

Send it over to me and make the deal of your life ;)
Actually, my odds are:
Princess Tower...... 1,8/1
The Torch............. 3 /1
23 Marina............. 10 /1
and
Princess Tower for tallest overall plus Ocean Heights for temporarily tallest roof/floor (combined bet).... 12 /1
:2cents:

:)

i love the rose tower

07/December/2008

Dubai Marina,tallest block

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Rises fast... :)

What about the madison square garden towers even though its proposed it should be in the top tallest residential buildings at 427m(1400ft) or Tour de Verre 381m (1250 ft).

What about the madison square garden towers even though its proposed it should be in the top tallest residential buildings at 427m(1400ft) or Tour de Verre 381m (1250 ft).


You just answered your own question.

You just answered your own question.

But its not that they are not going to get built. Tour de verre is positively most likely going to get built. The madison square garden towers vary being that it is apart of the biggest project in the nation which is the hudson yards project. It is still proposed because they are still choosing a design.

Chicago Spire is still on hold? Any "good" news?

Chicago Spire is still on hold? Any "good" news?

If it stays on hold any longer and the freedom tower might be the tallest building in the western hemisphere

Cul, just a few things to do.

The pentominium has gone deeper now. You can see that ground level is at the top right hand corner of the picture. Also as you can see there are three piling vehicles there now.

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Also I think you can remove all the vehicles from the chicago spire.

About the Tour Verre, don't think it should be included since Princess Tower is already over 30 floors high and will be bigger anyway. Not sure about the other towers but there doesn't seem to be much news about them (or else the plans mightn't be finalised?)

By the way, surely some of the 100 Chinese supertalls must be residential.

Its taller than the other buildings on this list. And the tower verre is most likely going up

http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17405
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3418

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so what other towers are behind the ones in this picture

citypolice. you missed the point of this diagram
the see thru towers are outlines of the unbuilt structure.
this diagrams main aim is to show the NEXT worlds tallest apartment not all of the new towers over 300m.
tower verre will never be the worlds talelst apartment tower, so it misses out in this diagram.
my pic is the torch will become next tallest because its smallest out of the 3 that are uc and should be opened before them. then i think princess tower will reaign for a year or 2, then pentominium.
thanks malec, ill amend soon for xmas update
cheers

December 8th

The Torch & The Princess
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23 Marina
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The Pentominium
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Awesome towers "The Torch & The Princess"
:cheers:

17/December/2008

Dubai Marina, tallest block

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Very nice pics Imre :okay:

19/December/2008

Dubai Marina

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Excelent :cheers:

Cul, just a few things to do.

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How great is that billboard at the bottom of the picture with the boat?

"120 FLOORS OF ALL PENTHOUSE LIVING"

So what is the highest unit going to be called?

20/December/2008

Dubai Marina

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how close together are the torch and princess, it looks like you could jump from one tower to the other :eek:

how close together are the torch and princess, it looks like you could jump from one tower to the other :eek:

I dont think you can jump 30 meter in reality!
unless the torch remains higher than princess, but thats not gonna be the case for very long :)

^^ The Torch is NOT higher then The Princess

ill try to update diagram this week.

Can you also update the supertall diagram for January if you have free time? It's been a long time since we last got the update.

how close together are the torch and princess, it looks like you could jump from one tower to the other
I think not... the distance between those 2 towers in not too small for a jump...

I have to admit that Eureka Tower is my favorite residencial tower, even from the latest in Dubai. Still 23 Marina is architectually different than the classical box-pencil tower, and has a better cladding

still anyones race in dubai
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3075/3128447419_1e0ccec7ca_o.jpg

The Torch and Marina floors are (almost) in the same level :)

27/December/2008

Dubai Marina, tallest block

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my guess is that Princess wins, just because its facade is progressing so well and the top of the torch looks like it needs ages to construct:)

Indeed, Princess Tower is a hot competitor, moving upwards quickly. On the other hand: this tower has +17 floors and +76 meters more to go than The Torch... and the core is always about 10 floors ahead of the rest.

Anyway, this race will get more thrilling in 2009, when these towers will begin to dominate the Marina skyline. I'm looking forward to it! :cheers2:

does anyone know how tall the tower is next to princess? the one with the crown? the shorter tower to its left

its called the "Emirates Crown" and it's 296m