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Almost done!

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Cherry Blossoms being planted inside the stadium!

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For all the Before and After pictures click on this link:

http://www.jdland.com/dc/stadium.cfm?tab=no2

What a beautiful ballpark! I can't wait to go catch a game.

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There's like the 3 other threads on this project already.

I looked over the stadium the other day and love the exterior design of the park. it is modern, turning a deaf ear to the brick and "retro" look of the 90's stadiums. That is a great thing. My problem with the stadium is this.

1. There is nothing special on the interior of the stadium. Looking out from the stands, the outfield is blah, beyond the outfield is boring. There isnt really a distinct character to anything visually.

2. Using San Diego PETCO Park as an example. The team colors for the Nationals are blue, white, and red. There should not be elements of green in this stadium. Ditch the green walls, and go for dark blue as the Padres did with PETCO. Initially, Petco Park had green outfield walls, green batters eye. The team colors are sand, white, and dark blue. The seats are blue. Having a green wall kills it for me. It looks hideous. Switch all the greens to blue in this new stadium, and the Nationals Park will be much improved.

There's like the 3 other threads on this project already.

So? Go call a waaaambulance.

So this is what $600M in taxpayer dollars gets them, eh? Yes, baseball belongs in DC, but MLB should be stripped of its anti-trust protection and by no means should the public have to pay for these things 100%. For that reason I'm hoping the franchise is doomed to eternal failure. :bash:


Okay, rant over. :cheers:

So this is what $600M in taxpayer dollars gets them, eh? Yes, baseball belongs in DC, but MLB should be stripped of its anti-trust protection and by no means should the public have to pay for these things 100%. For that reason I'm hoping the franchise is doomed to eternal failure. :bash:


Okay, rant over. :cheers:

Totally agree. Apparently that money is going to build a shopping district, office park, and a few other things.

Meh.

I hate to say it but it looks like a very cold and uninviting ballpark [I guess that's what they were going for with "modern."] And the red suites up high behind home plate look very out of place.

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Why even bother having a roof that tiny?

Its more of an aesthetic, just about every MLB ballpark (w/out a retractable roof) has a small roof or canopy around the back edge, as sort of an implied enclosure device, and for traditions sake (almost all of the early ballparks had roofs over the stands).

I would also like to say that is the worst placed press box I have ever seen, those would be pretty good seats, and really breaks apart the upper level too much. with two suite levels between the club and upper decks you'd think they could have gotten it in there, and the red front is just terrible.

Somehow the Twins are getting a much more unique (and in my mind much more elegant, and warm) ballpark with a multimodal rail station, tone facade and very cool canopy in downtown for $65 million less. And the Rays have that very unique ballpark proposed that would be $100 million cheaper (although somewhat smaller), and have slick retractable canopy. Seems to me like DC got ripped off a little bit.

This stadium has a metro station right next to it, and it has a lot of new mixed-use development going up. DC doesn't need a stadium to draw people downtown, so I'm happy they picked a waterfront location in a less developed area.

But I completely agree about the public funds.

So this is what $600M in taxpayer dollars gets them, eh? Yes, baseball belongs in DC, but MLB should be stripped of its anti-trust protection and by no means should the public have to pay for these things 100%. For that reason I'm hoping the franchise is doomed to eternal failure. :bash:


Okay, rant over. :cheers:

agreed.

I looked over the stadium the other day and love the exterior design of the park. it is modern, turning a deaf ear to the brick and "retro" look of the 90's stadiums. That is a great thing. My problem with the stadium is this.

1. There is nothing special on the interior of the stadium. Looking out from the stands, the outfield is blah, beyond the outfield is boring. There isnt really a distinct character to anything visually.

2. Using San Diego PETCO Park as an example. The team colors for the Nationals are blue, white, and red. There should not be elements of green in this stadium. Ditch the green walls, and go for dark blue as the Padres did with PETCO. Initially, Petco Park had green outfield walls, green batters eye. The team colors are sand, white, and dark blue. The seats are blue. Having a green wall kills it for me. It looks hideous. Switch all the greens to blue in this new stadium, and the Nationals Park will be much improved.

While they're at it, they should also smurf-turf the field to get of all green elements completely :lol:

It's a good looking stadium, but I can't believe it was funded by tax payer money.

It's a good looking stadium, but I can't believe it was funded by tax payer money.
At the same time, they forbid DC United to build anywhere with their own money. What a joke.

Saw this on the telly last night. The stadium was christened with an introduction of George Bush i believe, seemed like there was lots of booing, but there was still some cheering, shame on those who cheered.

In baseball, you cheer everyone who comes out onto the field to sing/throw a pitch/announce. But given that it was in DC, I'm surprised there wasn't more booing.

Forgot that he used to own a large part of the Texas Rangers.

Oh rite, i thought the booing was to do with illegal wars, 9/11 etc. Didn't think about the fact of his ex-ownership of another MLB team.

I don't like the Stadium at all. It looks like any other stadium and boring. What is worst is WE, THE TAXPAYERS, ARE ALL PAYING FOR IT!!! Jeez! How about if you use that money for the Dulles Metro instead! Now! that is way much better.

Saw this on the telly last night. The stadium was christened with an introduction of George Bush i believe, seemed like there was lots of booing, but there was still some cheering, shame on those who cheered.

Illegal wars? Our congress has approved all of it so far buddy. And shame on you to criticizing those who cheered, anyone can cheer for who they want to cheer for, or would you rather us be like China and only cheer for who the government tells us to cheer for?

Beautiful Stadium by the way.

whats with the huge gaps between decks, specially in the upper deck,, i mean they are athmosphere killers, and the press box, with the red color is way so out of place, and/or way to big

At the same time, they forbid DC United to build anywhere with their own money. What a joke.

Yea, I can't figure this one out at all!! A team that's been around for 10+ years, has brought the city multiple championships, gets very good attendance, and the city sh$ts on them.

It looks more impressive inside than out, an overall good stadium though.

What's the capacity and construction cost?

According to the link in the first post capacity is 41,888 and cost is $611 million.

Looks horrible and cold

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As for "franchise" in American pro sports, there is much I don't understand. Take Washington Nationals for example, it changed their regional base from Montreal to Washington in 2004 as far as I know and I haven't heard that there was any complaints about that in MLB. How come MLB fans tolerate that?

If that happened in football, say in Europe or South America, there might even occur a riot in the region the team was originally based in because that kind of move is thought of as a betrayal to its original fans.

As for "franchise" in American pro sports, there is much I don't understand. Take Washington Nationals for example, it changed their regional base from Montreal to Washington in 2004 as far as I know and I haven't heard that there was any complaints about that in MLB. How come MLB fans tolerate that?

If that happened in football, say in Europe or South America, there might even occur a riot in the region the team was originally based in because that kind of move is thought of as a betrayal to its original fans.

Because no one in Montreal went to Expos games. The "fanbase" had given up on the team. MLB made the right move in re-locating the franchise. It was either that or disband it entirely.

If I'm not mistaken, part of the $611 million is earmarked for urban renewal with a mixed use design in mind. For example they demolised this:

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and are replacing it with this:

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This sort of thing is happening all around the ballpark district. I like the idea of reinvigorating gentrified portions of the city with new life, new architecture, business, and pleasure. I think it's sound planning, and that eventually the money will come back to the city tenfold.

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Because no one in Montreal went to Expos games. The "fanbase" had given up on the team. MLB made the right move in re-locating the franchise. It was either that or disband it entirely.

That sounds to me that other MLB teams which have very low attendance figures like Florida Marlins might face the same fate with Montreal Expos in the future

It's kind of funny because DC has already lost two MLB franchizes

If the Marlins don't go through with their current plans to build a new baseball-only stadium, it's almost a given that they'll move. Probably to San Antonio or Portland.

I have one word for this stadium UGLY! All the seating sections are very cut up and widely spaced. There is no continuity do anything in the stadium and the design itself looks like it's from the 60's. Many of the new stadiums are very nice but this one and Cincinnati's both do not fit that category. :bash:

It's a shame that the team in Washington, DC can have a much more beautiful stadium instead of this piece of #*&@#%.

If the Marlins don't go through with their current plans to build a new baseball-only stadium, it's almost a given that they'll move. Probably to San Antonio or Portland.

Stadium is not the only issue with the Marlins. Trading all of their good players also hurts. The Marlins have the potential to draw crowds, but that was when they also had a good ball club. As long as they have a money grubing owner who does nothing to help the team, they will have poor attendence. Just look at Tampa Bay. They got an owner who would spend the money, and attendence has gone up significantly (granted it is still not that great, but the team has never finished better than last).

I have one word for this stadium UGLY! All the seating sections are very cut up and widely spaced. There is no continuity do anything in the stadium and the design itself looks like it's from the 60's. Many of the new stadiums are very nice but this one and Cincinnati's both do not fit that category. :bash:

It's a shame that the team in Washington, DC can have a much more beautiful stadium instead of this piece of #*&@#%.

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Game time disagrees

Stadium is not the only issue with the Marlins. Trading all of their good players also hurts. The Marlins have the potential to draw crowds, but that was when they also had a good ball club. As long as they have a money grubing owner who does nothing to help the team, they will have poor attendence. Just look at Tampa Bay. They got an owner who would spend the money, and attendence has gone up significantly (granted it is still not that great, but the team has never finished better than last).

Do you mean Tempa Bay saw the best season in attendance? If yes, can you tell me Tempa Bay's average attendance of last 5 seasons(2003-2007)?

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Game time disagrees

You are correct, darkness and people hide a lot of sins!

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Interesting quirk in the design that allows for this view...

Heh, a little glimpse into America's future:

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You are correct, darkness and people hide a lot of sins!

I'm guessing the designers knew what they were doing.

a.) They got the press box the hell out of the way.

b.) They didn't create a home run band box by blocking every possible breeze into the ballpark.

c.) They realized its baseball. 95% of the time its leisurely. This isn't The Swamp or Death Valley. Its a baseball park. Detail is more important.

If the Marlins don't go through with their current plans to build a new baseball-only stadium, it's almost a given that they'll move. Probably to San Antonio or Portland.

if they move to San Antonio, they better get a domed stadium

Yeah, I'd imagine either town would.

one because of heat, other because of cold
haha

Do you mean Tempa Bay saw the best season in attendance? If yes, can you tell me Tempa Bay's average attendance of last 5 seasons(2003-2007)?

Tampa Bay Rays attendance per game

2003 - 13070
2004 - 15837 (best season on the field)
2005 - 14095
2006 - 16901 (1st year of new ownership)
2007 - 17131 (best since 2000, 3rd season in existence)

Still a 15407 5 year avg.

Compared to the Expos when they moved (10047 avg. over the last 5 years in Montreal)

BTW, Nationals Park is beautiful. They got this one right. Hopefully I will get to see it in person one day. One of my friends saw it before it opened a couple of weeks ago and said it was very impressive.

It's kind of funny because DC has already lost two MLB franchizes

Yea, this is attempt #3 for MLB in DC. Weird.

Yea, this is attempt #3 for MLB in DC. Weird.

This attempt seems to have a better chance.

Well with the current ticket/suite prices the owners certainly won't be able to bitch about money a long time

Well with the current ticket/suite prices the owners certainly won't be able to bitch about money a long time

If they're able to sell them and keep them filled! :bash:

There is a webcam at the stadium, click this link http://clarkconstruction.oxblue.com/clarkhuntsmoot/

Cool interiors of the clubhouse:

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Kind of a cool Before and After:

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The Nationals won't be going anywhere for awhile now that they have a new stadium.

Heh, a little glimpse into America's future:

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Well you better get off your ass and learn some Spanish, hombre.

Entonces debes aprender un poco Espanol, man.

Well you better get off your ass and learn some Spanish, hombre.

Entonces debes aprender un poco Espanol, man.

Signs and statements like this really make me hope that our government very soon passes a law making English our national language! Almost every other country has an established national language and so should we. When I've traveled in other countries I've tried to comprehend their language and when I lived in France I spent much time becoming fluent in French to show my respect for their language. Anyone living in the United States should have the same respect for our language.

Signs and statements like this really make me hope that our government very soon passes a law making English our national language! Almost every other country has an established national language and so should we. When I've traveled in other countries I've tried to comprehend their language and when I lived in France I spent much time becoming fluent in French to show my respect for their language. Anyone living in the United States should have the same respect for our language.

I think if the French/English thing can work for Canadians, the English/Spanish thing can work for us. Adelante y arriba, Nationals!

Considering that it's a Thank You sign, I'm not too bitter about it. It just seems like a friendly gesture.

Now if every sign in the park had both languages, I'd be a little miffed.

I don't like the Ballpark. I expected it to be nicer not so cold looking.

Well you better get off your ass and learn some Spanish, hombre.

Entonces debes aprender un poco Espanol, man.

Ill just wait to get Neural Implants that will translate everything.

Now that I've been to a game, it is a pretty good ballpark. It's a lot better in person, IMO. I hate that public funds were used, but a lot of the complaints that people have in this thread are really petty and not very significant IMO. The gaps are there b/c one of the ideas for this stadium was for it to be "transparent", which is why they have glass and large gaps, so you can see the capital and the river, etc.

And you can't compare the demographics of DC when it had a baseball team before to the demographics now, they're completely different. And they booed Bush b/c he's not well liked, the same thing would have happened if he were in NYC or SF or wherever. People just hate DC so much that they think it wouldn't happen anywhere else and that it's b/c the people here are just rude. Some of you guys are so ignorant.

At the same time, they forbid DC United to build anywhere with their own money. What a joke.

The Nats getting a stadium wasn't necessarily an easy sell. The council felt that it was do or die and that this was the only chance the city would get at a baseball team. People were pissed from the start about the use of public funds.

And while I agree that the DC United should be able to build their stadium w/ their money, all the city did was open up the bidding for that plot of land instead of handing it over straight to the United. The United also want about $300 million dollars of infrastructure improvements around their stadium to be payed for by the city. Since the best place for the United is at Poplar Point and the overwhelming majority of citizens of Ward 8 and the rest of the city want the stadium, there's no reason to think that they won't get the stadium there. Anyway, that land won't be transferred from the National Park Service until about 2011, so it's not as if the United Stadium would be under construction right now. A lot of the roadblocks with the United Stadium come from the city's budget and the controversy surrounding the way the Nats situation was handled. They don't want to get fleeced again in a less prosperous economy.

Signs and statements like this really make me hope that our government very soon passes a law making English our national language! Almost every other country has an established national language and so should we. When I've traveled in other countries I've tried to comprehend their language and when I lived in France I spent much time becoming fluent in French to show my respect for their language. Anyone living in the United States should have the same respect for our language.

Who says that immigrants here DO NOT learn English?

Knowing English is necessary to get by in the United States, and some entry in the U.S. Code isn't going to change that. What we should be doing is providing more funding for ESL classes.

Immigrants do learn english, but I don't think we should be retrofitting places with spanish just b/c we have a lot of spanish people. What about the people from all over and south and southeast/east asia. We don't have signs for them. Even though there are a lot of spanish people here, cowtowing to that group isn't the right thing to do and we should try to treat everyone equally. If businesses want to put up signs in other languages fine, but a lot of the time, it's mandated by the gov't.

i can see some of those post getting Deleted for off topic. But on that not, Immigrants dont learn english, they get there kids to so they can translate for them. Or they just point and say it in there language like Mr Smart American is supposed to magically know what they are saying!

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Who says that immigrants here DO NOT learn English?

Knowing English is necessary to get by in the United States, and some entry in the U.S. Code isn't going to change that. What we should be doing is providing more funding for ESL classes.

WHY should we spend more public money for ESL classes? It's the responsibility of those moving here to learn our language, not our responsibility to teach them our language. When I lived overseas the French government certainly didn't pay for me to learn French so why should we pay for Spanish speaking people to learn English? If they want to come here they should be responsible enough to learn our language.

Immigrants do learn english, but I don't think we should be retrofitting places with spanish just b/c we have a lot of spanish people. What about the people from all over and south and southeast/east asia. We don't have signs for them. Even though there are a lot of spanish people here, cowtowing to that group isn't the right thing to do and we should try to treat everyone equally. If businesses want to put up signs in other languages fine, but a lot of the time, it's mandated by the gov't.

I agree with your statements completely! Don't forget also that in a lot of States all public documents are also available in Spanish and English, the cost of which is paid for by public funds.

Morbidly low attendance for the game last night.

130 games and your complaining about low attendance at one game for the most boring sport in the world?

Major league teams play 162 games per season not 130 games and baseball looks very boring at first glance but it will be more and more interesting as you get to know more and more about the rules, which is applied to all other sports on earth though.

Except for the fact that baseball, like Cricket or Golf its great for the highlights, but its boring to watch a whole game. However if your loking for a place to sit in the sun and drink an absurdly overpriced beer, baseball is great.

130 games and your complaining about low attendance at one game for the most boring sport in the world? New stadiums are supposed to draw big for the first couple of years. Many places sell out for hundreds of games. You shouldn't be down to 20,000 after only one.

i have to say, you can rant about how much you hate this park all you want but once you go the experience is amazing...its a fantastic park, tons of amenities and concessions. I can see how maybe you can judge that its bad by the pictures, but going is a whole different experience. Every one of the criticisms that have been made about this park on the thread serve a purpose

I like this park.

Probally the most bland looking MLB stadium. Probally not a bad place to see a game, but the design just isnt growing on me.

I think the park looks pretty darn good. It has gotten to the point that I think the jumbo video screens have gotten way to gigantic. There simply isn't a need for a screen that big and I think there comes to a point when its sight pollution.

These are courtesy of Mario Mendoza...HOF Lockfrom Baseball Fever:

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An electric crowd last night in DC!!

Great pitching performance by Strasburg last night..14 Ks in his first outing?! In only seven inings.. Amazing.. When the Nats come to your town you'd better get your duckets early..for when Strasburg is on the mound the game will be sold out.

I was up at school in PA, drove down with a buddy to the game, then went back up last night, and now am finally home in VA. All to see Strasburg. I've never seen Nationals Park like I saw it last night. Simply amazing.

When its full, its one of the prettier parks I've been to. It looks like its just made for huge crowds.

They're building a good team, it will be full more and more in the future

I went to a game last year and it was a great place to watch a game. I bet now that they have a real team it's even better!

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anymore aerial shots of nats bp?

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watching the nats/phils on espn.
never really had a good look at the stadium til now.

that press box thing looks really terrible. how did that ever get approved?
looks like a football stadium press box. those gaps are horrible too!

is that a parking garage in left field?
why is the "w" logo on a green background? makes no sense!

the area behind home plate looks like a mess.

this is the new "cookie cutter"

I know that en1044 said it was a great place to see a game, but it looks like a mess aesthetically. Kind of like they were trying to out-quirk everyone else. The quirky upper deck from Cincinnati, plus the quirky press box from Pittsburgh, plus the quirky bleachers upper deck from Seattle, etc.

that press box thing looks really terrible. how did that ever get approved?

It's old school, man. Keeps the people closer to the field, too.

looks like a football stadium press box. those gaps are horrible too!

Gaps might not look great, but it's good for seat pricing.

is that a parking garage in left field?

Yes. The area they built the park in has very, very little parking, so they had to build a garage next to the stadium. 95% of the people who go to the games take the Metro.

why is the "w" logo on a green background? makes no sense!

It's something they took from RFK, which had green walls. FedEx Field used to have green walls on the sidelines too.

the area behind home plate looks like a mess.

Yeah, but it's not much different than most new ballparks with club seats right behind the plate.

this is the new "cookie cutter"

Probably not, since they aren't going to be a lot of ballparks built in the future. Every team is pretty much set right now.

I know that en1044 said it was a great place to see a game, but it looks like a mess aesthetically. Kind of like they were trying to out-quirk everyone else. The quirky upper deck from Cincinnati, plus the quirky press box from Pittsburgh, plus the quirky bleachers upper deck from Seattle, etc.

I don't see any of that at Nats park. The split tier thing is a common design aspect of many new parks, not just in DC and Cincinnati. I don't see a bit of Safeco Field in Nats Park either.

The press box lets fans sit closer to the field. Nothing really wrong with that.

This place looks a lot better in person.

I know that en1044 said it was a great place to see a game, but it looks like a mess aesthetically. Kind of like they were trying to out-quirk everyone else. The quirky upper deck from Cincinnati, plus the quirky press box from Pittsburgh, plus the quirky bleachers upper deck from Seattle, etc.

This is probably one of the most awkward ballparks in MLB.

The requirement that luxury suites most be included in modern ballparks killed the look of this ballpark, IMO. The simple triple deck in RF looks much better than the rest of the place. Not too tall, and no split-upper deck!

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I've got to stand up for Nats Park too. It isn't going to win any architectural awards, but it is a nice stadium. I've been two 20+ games there and the site lines are great, the concourses are wide and you can still see the field from them, plenty of food and beverage choices and while the games may not sell out, there are 20,000 people there every night, which makes for an energetic, but still comfortable atmosphere. i prefer the view at PNC and the vibrance of Wrigley, but Nats Park has far more pluses than minuses.

The only real complaint I have of the design is that with three levels of suites and the club level seats, the infield and right field upper deck is too far off the the field. I have heard the TV analysts complain about being up that high numerous times. I never sit up there anymore, but the rest of the stadium, is quite nice.

There was a lot of negative feedback about the outfield parking garages when it first opened, but DC doesn't have much of a skyline to speak of, you can't see the Capital Building except from the upper deck, and the new offices and condos they are putting up to the north are hardy iconic. They've put up a bunch of large team related banners and advertisements on the garages, so it's probably the best they could have done considering the options.

Are the green color not matching a homage to RFK? Just looks very odd.
The diagonal aisles in the high priced seats just looks odd too.
Looks better on game day since it can hide all the weirdness.
The split deck makes it looks like it shares the stadium with the Redskins.

en1044, I guess we have to agree to disagree.

I've got to stand up for Nats Park too. It isn't going to win any architectural awards, but it is a nice stadium. I have heard the TV analysts complain about being up that high numerous times. I never sit up there anymore, but the rest of the stadium, is quite nice.


It has to have the highest press box in baseball.

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I like the stadium. I dont get why people dog it. It's a good design.

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I like the stadium. I dont get why people dog it. It's a good design.

I like it too, but people were wanting something more iconic looking from the outside, so it would look more like a federal building. That has nothing to do with how it looks on the inside or performs as a ballpark.

I like this ballpark, comfortable, easy to get to (Green Line), and unique design, doesnt follow the Camden Yard trend.

Oh, and $1 ticket deal is awesome.

On that Picture with "Werth 28" on the side of the building who or what is that thing on top of the building? Looks like a guy doing a dance ?

I like it too, but people were wanting something more iconic looking from the outside, so it would look more like a federal building. That has nothing to do with how it looks on the inside or performs as a ballpark.

If they want a boring federal building look, then they should go check out the replacement the Yankees built in NY

On that Picture with "Werth 28" on the side of the building who or what is that thing on top of the building? Looks like a guy doing a dance ?

He is watching a ball he just hit go over the fence for a homerun. Its like holding the stance after you take a shot in golf. I was going to ask how you didnt know that, but your country is the one that is having Baseball and Softball taken out of the Olympics and forgot to add golf, a sport your country invented.

Notice you guys never added Cricket to the Olympics. My Country never invented Goft it was a Scottish invention.

Nice stadium. I really like the open concourses, you feel like your still in the stadium during trips to the concessions. The PA and promotions team are very annoying, much more like an NBA game or minor league game. I wish they would have worked the fabric of the city or the waterfront into the design, but the fact that they got it built was a victory. The neighborhood is in transition, but in DC, that won't take long.

If they want a boring federal building look, then they should go check out the replacement the Yankees built in NY
Boring?

Boring is another brick based stadium like Citi Field or Rangers Ballpark, based on Camden yard design.

Boring?

Boring is another brick based stadium like Citi Field or Rangers Ballpark, based on Camden yard design.

Rangers Ballpark is modeled after an old west fort. Brick made since for the exterior because wood was a stupid idea.

Rangers Ballpark is modeled after an old west fort. Brick made since for the exterior because wood was a stupid idea.

The retro theme was clearly the basis for the design though.

http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/319/cache/green-stadiums-super-bowl-nationals-washington-dc_31991_600x450.jpg

A positively adequate stadium. Nothing to steer one away but nothing to draw one in.

Its a beautiful stadium. Been there myself.

Nats still need a new logo that isnt the Walgreen logo. Go with DC already, and not just W.

Its a beautiful stadium. Been there myself.

Nats still need a new logo that isnt the Walgreen logo. Go with DC already, and not just W.

MLB basically forced them to use the Sens old "W" logo. If you look at their original uniform set, it stands out completely. Allegedly, there was a W logo developed that fit with that set, and was more in the style of the DC logo.

I actually likes Nationals Park. I've been there several times for games and it is a really pleasant place to watch a ballgame.

First the negative: When I first saw the design (both pics and in person) I was disappointed with the design...the exterior just doesn't grab you. And I haven't really warmed up to it since then either. I appreciate that they wanted to take a break from the retro-modern designs of the last twenty years, but the truth is that they ended up with a bland exterior. It is especially underwhelming from the outfield gate, which is where most people enter.

That being said, once you are actually in the stadium it is great. It is a good size (not too big) and the views are good from everywhere. It has a fantastic open feeling and you can still see the action when you leave your seat to go to the concessions or restroom. The jumbotron is great and I like the blue seats. There are several places you can walk around and hang out during the game such as the Red Loft.

Also, it is fantastic that the park is only a block from a metro stop, so you don't have to spend a fortune driving to the game and parking. There is not much going on in the neighborhood yet, but there is a nice new waterfront park. Development has taken longer than anticipated b/c of the recession, but it seems to be humming along now. This season (2012) the Nats are doing well on the field and that has improved the crowds also.

While it isn't the most visually striking ballpark, the overall experience of getting there via public transportation and then enjoying yourself when you are at the ballpark is great. IMO the place is underappreciated.

MLB basically forced them to use the Sens old "W" logo. If you look at their original uniform set, it stands out completely. Allegedly, there was a W logo developed that fit with that set, and was more in the style of the DC logo.
Then at least get rid of the Walgreen logo.

Then at least get rid of the Walgreen logo.

Not happening.

(Think the Sens had theirs before Walgreens)

Then at least get rid of the Walgreen logo.

get rid of the ugly green walls first.

Its a beautiful stadium. Been there myself.

Nats still need a new logo that isnt the Walgreen logo. Go with DC already, and not just W.

When I moved from DC to Pittsburgh, some guy mistook my Nats hat for a Walgreens one. Until then, I had no idea they looked that similar.

I dig the curly W. The only reason MLB influenced the decission on the logo was b/c they owned the team at the time. They were considering using a standard W as a homage to the Greys too, not b/c they wanted something unique.

When I moved from DC to Pittsburgh, some guy mistook my Nats hat for a Walgreens one. Until then, I had no idea they looked that similar.

I dig the curly W. The only reason MLB influenced the decission on the logo was b/c they owned the team at the time. They were considering using a standard W as a homage to the Greys too, not b/c they wanted something unique.

I get people coming up to me asking where stuff is at Wegmans all the time when I wear mine (which is often)

get rid of the ugly green walls first.

RFK

http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/national/rfkstadium.jpg

Early FedEx Field (Jack Kent Cooke Stadium)

http://www.spectrumtickets.com/images/308.329.jpg

Nats Park

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0509/WAS_80810873_580.jpg

Green walls pay homage to a revered stadium in the DC area.

You're really on a roll this week aren't ya.

I get people coming up to me asking where stuff is at Wegmans all the time when I wear mine (which is often)

Ha! Clearly the Nats haven't become a household item yet...

Ha! Clearly the Nats haven't become a household item yet...

Not here in Yankees/Red Sox territory

Not happening.

(Think the Sens had theirs before Walgreens)

I'd rather see this.
http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Washington_Nationals3.jpg

Than this.
http://www.duetsblog.com/uploads/image/WashingtonNationalsLogo.gif

I'd rather see this.
http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/user/Washington_Nationals3.jpg

Than this.
http://www.duetsblog.com/uploads/image/WashingtonNationalsLogo.gif

.... meh.

I dont like the Gold in the DC

Baseball stadiums are so weird :weird:

Baseball stadiums are so weird :weird:

Ok?

Not really if you understand the game.

Ok?

Not really if you understand the game.

More like, not at all.

Maybe its because some non-Americans are used to seeing cricket with the same boring ass layout?

More like, not at all.

Maybe its because some non-Americans are used to seeing cricket with the same boring ass layout?

I doubt someone from Brazil is familiar with cricket layouts, or any more familiar with them than say baseball layouts.

As for the stadium, I like it, and I think the modern steel glass look really works. The white and the silver steel looks clean and modern. Good to see Washington with a decent baseball specific stadium.

baseball stadiums are weird because the playing field is unconventional. It's not a rectangle or an oval like most sports, this makes for different, but still cool, stadiums.

I like this logo.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7213/washingtonnationalsbase.gif

More like, not at all.

Maybe its because some non-Americans are used to seeing cricket with the same boring ass layout?

Looking at Cricket grounds is alot less boring than trying to watch a game of cricket it takes to long & can still end in a draw which is why I can't see the point of cricket. Honestly try watching a game for a few hours :lol:

Looking at Cricket grounds is alot less boring than trying to watch a game of cricket it takes to long & can still end in a draw which is why I can't see the point of cricket. Honestly try watching a game for a few hours :lol:
I like T20...batsmen throw caution to the wind and play big shots

Had to think what T20 was then. Yeah do hear good things about that game but still seems dull to me. maybe its a grass is greener on the other side of the pond

with me liking baseball and you liking t20 cricket.

get rid of the ugly green walls first.

RFK

http://www.baseballpilgrimages.com/national/rfkstadium.jpg

Early FedEx Field (Jack Kent Cooke Stadium)

http://www.spectrumtickets.com/images/308.329.jpg

Nats Park

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0509/WAS_80810873_580.jpg

Green walls pay homage to a revered stadium in the DC area.

You're really on a roll this week aren't ya.Can you verify the reason Nationals Park has green walls is to pay homage to RFK and the NFL stadium? What is your source? Provide quotes and/or links to back up your statement. Did the Nationals and the architectural firm say that? Sounds like baseless speculation on your part. Where's the evidence? An opinion isn't a fact.

Can you verify the reason Nationals Park has green walls is to pay homage to RFK and the NFL stadium? What is your source? Provide quotes and/or links to back up your statement. Did the Nationals and the architectural firm say that? Sounds like baseless speculation on your part. Where's the evidence? An opinion isn't a fact.

WTF cares? STFU about it already you troll.

Shuuuuuuut uuuuuuuup.

I know these things because I live here and just know them. Can't find anything online. But then again, not everything is online.

I don't owe you anything anyway.

Shuuuuuuut uuuuuuuup.

I know these things because I live here and just know them. Can't find anything online. But then again, not everything is online.

I don't owe you anything anyway.

"The walls at baseball stadium Nationals Park are green because they're green at football stadium FedEx Field" Really? :lol:
What makes a person even reach that conclusion? :nuts:

"The walls at baseball stadium Nationals Park are green because they're green at football stadium FedEx Field" Really? :lol:
What makes a person even reach that conclusion? :nuts:

Did you not see the picture of RFK? Or did you just ignore it because it lends credence to his theory? Give it a rest already, what is your obsession with green walls? They look fine. Maybe you're just jealous that this ballpark is nicer than that ugly erector set in Seattle?

To be honest, I was looking for a source to the claim that they're green because they were green in RFK/Fed Ex Field too...

Did you not see the picture of RFK? Or did you just ignore it because it lends credence to his theory? Give it a rest already, what is your obsession with green walls? They look fine. Maybe you're just jealous that this ballpark is nicer than that ugly erector set in Seattle?

When people mention RFK Stadium, most people just don't associate baseball with it, they usually think of Redskins football. Not Senators 2 or as home to the former Expos for 3 measly seasons. Most ballparks don't "pay homage" to a temporary stadium. They just don't. No evidence to the contrary has been put forth either.

I have no "obsession" with green walls. I merely stated they look ugly here and contrast sharply with the blue seats. A blue wall would look better here IMO.

Again, in a reply to one of my posts, out of the blue, you manage to get in another cheap shot at the home of the Seattle Mariners. Well done scholar.

You're certainly an articulate and a thought-provoking guy. Keep up the good work!

"The walls at baseball stadium Nationals Park are green because they're green at football stadium FedEx Field" Really? :lol:
What makes a person even reach that conclusion? :nuts:

I never said anything about FedEx having anything to do with it.

The real question is...what kind of person reaches the ridiculous conclusion that you came to?

How far will the Nats make it in the play-offs ?

How far will the Nats make it in the play-offs ?

Not as far as they could with Strasberg.

I still cant believe that they are going to shut him down after his next start. I know they have this innings limit theory, but this is a once in a franchise opportunity to go for it all. I think this will turn off some of the fanbase, especially if they get to the playoffs and don't do anything

When people mention RFK Stadium, most people just don't associate baseball with it, they usually think of Redskins football. Not Senators 2 or as home to the former Expos for 3 measly seasons. Most ballparks don't "pay homage" to a temporary stadium. They just don't. No evidence to the contrary has been put forth either.


I have no "obsession" with green walls. I merely stated they look ugly here and contrast sharply with the blue seats. A blue wall would look better here IMO.

You seem to be the only one here that has a problem with it, and the only one making a big deal about it, demanding evidence to prove it! There are 3 stadiums in that area with the exact same color walls, that is evidence enough for something as insignificant as the color of an outfield wall, so can you please drop it already?

Again, in a reply to one of my posts, out of the blue, you manage to get in another cheap shot at the home of the Seattle Mariners. Well done scholar.

The reason for this is because you like to blindly defend it when anyone makes the slightest negative comment about it, it's just a stadium, and a pretty mediocre one at that. Not your mother.

You're certainly an articulate and a thought-provoking guy. Keep up the good work!

Thanks!

How far will the Nats make it in the play-offs ?

Dunno, we'll see. I am a Nationals fan and am quite unhappy with how they handled Strasburg. Starting him in the bullpen and gradually working him back into the starting rotation would have been a much better solution, save some innings for the playoffs. To be fair though, neither I as a loyal fan, the team, nor the rest of the country thought they would be in this position at the beginning of the season.

Dunno, we'll see. I am a Nationals fan and am quite unhappy with how they handled Strasburg. Starting him in the bullpen and gradually working him back into the starting rotation would have been a much better solution, save some innings for the playoffs. To be fair though, neither I as a loyal fan, the team, nor the rest of the country thought they would be in this position at the beginning of the season.

Yeah I'm shocked by how good they are at the minute. Sure they were going to be in last place by this time of the year. How did you end up being a Nats fan ? bit of a long way to DC or were you a fan of the Expo's before the move south.

I never said anything about FedEx having anything to do with it.


Sure you did. You said the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and Jack Kent Cooke/FedEx Field, "revered D.C. stadiums". You even posted pics. Don't deny it. I didn't buy your reason and you took exception, like always. Bottom line, you failed to substantiate your assertion that the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and the NFL stadium.

Sure you did. You said the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and Jack Kent Cooke/FedEx Field, "revered D.C. stadiums". You even posted pics. Don't deny it. I didn't buy your reason and you took exception, like always. Bottom line, you failed to substantiate your assertion that the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and the NFL stadium.

a) No Redskins fan would ever consider a FedEX a revered stadium.
b) No DC resident would even consider it a DC stadium because it is Maryland.

Who really cares why the walls are that color? It looks good and they shouldn't change it.

*yawn* already

Sure you did. You said the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and Jack Kent Cooke/FedEx Field, "revered D.C. stadiums". You even posted pics. Don't deny it. I didn't buy your reason and you took exception, like always. Bottom line, you failed to substantiate your assertion that the reason the OF walls at Nationals Park are green was to pay homage to RFK and the NFL stadium.

Jesus Christ dude.



Green walls pay homage to a revered stadium in the DC area.



The info isn't online. Tough shit.

I'm done. Next topic.

The info isn't online. Tough shit.

I'm done. Next topic.

Everything's online. It's not 1982. Do your homework and try corresponding with people in the know.

We know that Nationals Park was designed in part by HOK Sport, now known as Populous, along with Devrouax/Purnell,

info@populous would be a nice starting point.

Populous has a phone number as well, 816-221-1500, their fax is 816-221-1578
A man named Pat Tangen was one of the "Principals" his email is Pat.Tangen@populous.com

Not that difficult to at least attempt to have your questions answered.

Instead of stating someone is "having quite the week", try doing your homework. Get answers.

^^^ troll ^^^

Pointless few pages here. But two stadiums have green walls around the field of play and the new one has green coloured walls around the field of play all of which are in the Greater DC Metro area. But non have roofs over the field and the seat colours are not the same colours so what does this tell us, That we all need to get out more.

Everything's online. It's not 1982. Do your homework and try corresponding with people in the know.

We know that Nationals Park was designed in part by HOK Sport, now known as Populous, along with Devrouax/Purnell,

info@populous would be a nice starting point.

Populous has a phone number as well, 816-221-1500, their fax is 816-221-1578
A man named Pat Tangen was one of the "Principals" his email is Pat.Tangen@populous.com

Not that difficult to at least attempt to have your questions answered.

Instead of stating someone is "having quite the week", try doing your homework. Get answers.

Looks like somebody needs a woman. That's something that can definitely be found online :banana:

This is the last I'll discuss this topic. If you would like people to cooperate with you, I strongly suggest you work on your people skills.

I know what I know. Many people who live in DC are also aware of this. No, not everything is online. You'll have to deal with it.

I don't have any questions. I won't be emailing anyone. And I don't owe you a thing.

My comments about you having "some week" were in reference to your idiotic comments about soccer at Wrigley, among others.

This is bad. This is really bad. This is happening too often in our country. How did this become acceptable and commonplace?

I would suggest contacting the Chicago Cubs at http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/help/email.jsp?c_id=chc&primarySubject=Other&secondarySubject=None&dest=fanfeedback@cubs.mlb.com

Have a nice day.

^^^ troll ^^^

Yes, so everyone stop feeding him

get rid of the ugly green walls first.

Green walls pay homage to a revered stadium in the DC area.

You're really on a roll this week aren't ya.

Nope. I contacted Populous via a social networking site and received a reply Monday morning.

I asked them if the green OF walls at Nationals Park paid homage to RFK or FedEx and received this reply...

No hidden meaning. Green is just a traditional color for an OF wall

Do the homework and you shall be rewarded with information, even for something as trivial as the color of a wall.

Like I said, be accountable for the statements you make. Don't pass off an opinion as a fact. Simple as that.

^^You have demonstrated yourself admirably and I am wholly convinced of your correctness. A great void has been filled in my existence...

So... Nationals stadium...

Any progress on developments surrounding the stadium?

How excited are people about actually having some playoff baseball there?

^^You have demonstrated yourself admirably and I am wholly convinced of your correctness. A great void has been filled in my existence...

So... Nationals stadium...

Any progress on developments surrounding the stadium?

How excited are people about actually having some playoff baseball there?

You're welcome. I'm guessing, now this is an opinion, but the typical reaction might be, "What, we have a baseball team here?"

In fairness, I read that the Nationals television ratings are up 60% from last season.

Success means more bandwagon fans, especially in DC.

Success means more bandwagon fans, especially in DC.

We'll see what kind of fanbase this franchise has in the next few weeks. The day the Nationals clinched a playoff spot, 2nd in franchise history (Montreal 1981, and first in Washington since 1933) the attendance was just over 30,000 or over 11,000 shy of capacity. Bring out the bandwagons already.

When Will The Lerner Family Sell Naming Rights to The Nationals' Ball Park? (http://dc.curbed.com/archives/2013/04/when-will-the-lerner-family-sell-naming-rights-to-the-nationals-ball-park.php)

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The family of Theodore "Ted" Lerner, which owns the Nationals, is expected at some point to make a deal for long-term naming rights to the stadium. The family bought the team in 2006, but have been waiting for the right time to cash in. Today The Post speculates that if they time it right, they could make $15 million a year over several decades:


"The maximum timing for the stars to be aligned [for a naming rights deal] may be this year or next year," said Mark Tuohey, an attorney and former chairman of the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission. Tuohey played a key role in bringing the Nationals, formerly the Montreal Expos, to Washington. "If you couple a successful season with the potential for playoff and World Series success ... this year or next year will be maximum timing."

When Will The Lerner Family Sell Naming Rights to The Nationals' Ball Park? (http://dc.curbed.com/archives/2013/04/when-will-the-lerner-family-sell-naming-rights-to-the-nationals-ball-park.php)

I assumed this was the case. The Lerners are not hurting for money, so waiting for the opportune time to sell the naming rights makes sense.

I'm calling it now: Captial One Park

Yeah, it'll be Capital One for sure.

StateFarm@NationalsBallPark could win it.