Is canary wharf 3 slabs of 119floors with a 14 floor shared podium in an area the size of 2 football pitches that in total will house over 15 supertalls in a city that already has the worst traffic this side of Alpha Centuri ?

Any idea when this project will be cancelled again?

If we say it often enough it will become the truth!

I hear MST has been cancelled, and my friend says he's heard that too- anyone else care to confirm that rumour?

Can we estimate of how possible a cancelling of this project or a DRAMATICAL redesign is? I mean how had sheikh Mohammed solved similar problems like this in the past? Was he at the side of the developers, or more an the side of the citizens of Dubai?

IMO the decission of what will be build on this site is maybe the most important decission in the whole marina history.

Like i said before i wish they build a park there with small buildings dedicated to cafes, restaurants or even a nice night club by the water. Another option could be a landmark building for educational prupose for the marina just like a library or a museum. Even a small parking garage is a additional possibility since this plot has twice the size of a football pitch.This plot has so much potential to make the tallest block something really nice and peaceful instaed of building tall towers. You can´t enhance live quality with just tall buildings.

I really hope for all tallest block residents that this get cancelled.........

Please continue to email Sheik Mohammed if you want to ensure that this project is cancelled.

http://www.sheikhmohammed.ae/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=4f455c1090cc4110VgnVCM1000007064a8c0RCRD

I have just sent him this mail.

Dear mr. al Maktoum,

I have high concerns about the unveiled Mariny Sky towers project. If built i think it will destroy significantely the marina live quality. The enhanced traffic would be also a really significant problem. I think if you decide to build a park there with deticated small buildings for educatinal stuff a night club or cafes and restaurants it will enhance dramatticaly the live quality in the tallest block and make the expirience beeing there more worthy then with theese towers.

I really hope you read my mail and think about my concerns.

Yours sincerly

Danny


This project may not get through........

:lol: A $1 billion nightclub. Dubaiflo will love it.

I have just sent him this mail.

Dear mr. al Maktoum,

I have high concerns about the unveiled Mariny Sky towers project. If built i think it will destroy significantely the marina live quality. The enhanced traffic would be also a really significant problem. I think if you decide to build a park there with deticated small buildings for educatinal stuff a night club or cafes and restaurants it will enhance dramatticaly the live quality in the tallest block and make the expirience beeing there more worthy then with theese towers.

I really hope you read my mail and think about my concerns.

Yours sincerly

Danny


This project may not get through........

^^I loved the bit about educational stuff!:lol:

Yeah, a nightclub is a real educational venue, not to mention that it will not be licensed if it isn't within a Hotel boundaries.

ermmmmmm oops i forgot the commas it should be more like this

"deticated small buildings for educatinal stuff, (or a) a night club ,or cafes and restaurants !"

Are night clubs only allowed within hotels in Dubai?

^^ Yes they are ... and to a Sheikh you address as "Your Heighness" not as "Mr. XYZ"


... basically your e-mail has just achieved the opposite of what intended to.

I hope the people who worked on the Infinity Tower foundation are involved with MST. :runaway:

Sorry True Blue.

:lol: I can't believe germantower emailed mr. Maktoum asking for a night club on the plot.

I hope the people who worked on the Infinity Tower foundation are involved with MST. :runaway:

Sorry True Blue.

If not we can all buy some hoses and fill the plot up with water from our Torch and Marina Heights windows.

:lol: I can't believe germantower emailed mr. Maktoum asking for a night club on the plot.

Maybe he should have asked for what you wanted but didn't dare: HOOTER'S :D

^^ it was only a suggestion. I don´t know what person mr. maktoum is. what he likes or dislikes. It´s more important in this case what he will decide to do with this plot.

I was just trying to help.

and if my e-mail content was wrong i apologyse.

If not we can all buy some hoses and fill the plot up with water from our Torch and Marina Heights windows.

Maybe we should have a TT Investors Soiree at GH and make an attempt at filling the hole another way on the way home!

I was just trying to help.

and if my e-mail content was wrong i apologyse.

Your help and kind thoughts were appreciated. The more emails about it the better.

Maybe he should have asked for what you wanted but didn't dare: HOOTER'S :D

The better homes advert mentioned 3 peaks not 2.

^^ Haven't you seen the movie Total Recall?

No, but I played the game on the Spectrum 128k when it was first released in 1986, and, well, IT WAS F**KING SHIT! I cannot believe I used to queue for hours for these games ... I would never learn my lesson.. the cover used to get you so f'ing excited, with intricate, deep meaningful plots and story lines, e.g. You are Wayne Butthausen, the last remaining survivor of the alien holocaust deep in the underground trenches that were created to protect man from the cyborgs..... then you'd take the game home and basi cally there was one big yellow triangular sprite (YOU) and you had to try and navigate a green rectangular maze (the underground trenches). Basically, you'd cry with terrible shame and guilt that you blew away a whole month's pocket money on this HUNK OF DOG SHIT of a thing they called in those days, a game.

follow the yellow brick road

:lol: Naz, are you the script writer for channel 4's peep show.

Anyone want to buy shares in Spinneys :D

http://i28.tinypic.com/2nss55g.jpg

^^ Now that's just pathetic. :lol:

I agree with the following:

Is it the summer heat or something. You should have seen Canary Warf when it was newly built. Looked a mess, lots of negativity and bankruptcies. Now it's a thriving urban jungle. Things don't always turn out as you expect.

Can we estimate of how possible a cancelling of this project or a DRAMATICAL redesign is? I mean how had sheikh Mohammed solved similar problems like this in the past? Was he at the side of the developers, or more an the side of the citizens of Dubai?

IMO the decission of what will be build on this site is maybe the most important decission in the whole marina history.

Like i said before i wish they build a park there with small buildings dedicated to cafes, restaurants or even a nice night club by the water. Another option could be a landmark building for educational prupose for the marina just like a library or a museum. Even a small parking garage is a additional possibility since this plot has twice the size of a football pitch.This plot has so much potential to make the tallest block something really nice and peaceful instaed of building tall towers. You can´t enhance live quality with just tall buildings.

I really hope for all tallest block residents that this get cancelled.........

I know no one cares about my opinion, but I just had to make sure Foxy and Germantower know that they have people that support their views.

from www.marinaskytowers.com

Marina Sky Towers launched recently consists of 3 major towers, each near or above 100 floors, sat on a 14 storey car park plinth.

Is it fair to say that it does not fit in well with it's surroundings, creating imbalance with the surrounding tower layouts and is far to imposing to position right on the edge of the marina walk way?

It would seem a some what bad decision to approve this project and will likely cause significant infrastructure problems around the marina area of Dubai.

Many existing residents of Dubai marina are seriously affected by this proposal and worried about just how such a decision was passed at the highest levels?

Is Dubai marina out of control from a management perspective, lacking planning regulation controls and has become almost a free for all - anything goes situation?

You have to wonder, don't you?

Thank you LoverofDubai. Remember this forum is all about opinions. and no-one knows the future. We can only make an educated guess. Che sara sara as Doris once said.

Spinneys at Marina Walk is already a total disaster, extremely expensive, always out of stock and crowded in the evenning... so let the other towers be occupied and bye bye spinneys... in JBR there is still no supermarket, only useless shops.

from www.marinaskytowers.com

Great Idea !!

I hope the Big man sees it

So what's the latest on this?? Is it going ahead, or has it been scaled back?

So what's the latest on this?? Is it going ahead, or has it been scaled back?

I heard it from a friend of a friend who is quite pally with those high up that this project has indeed been scaled back.

Apparently, it was GermanTower's email that did the trick! :banana:

Are you serious, or is this a joke? No offence, but some idiots are using this thread to cast false rumours that this project has been cancelled, which I would hate, coz I love this project.

Spoke to an agent at better homes.Seems the project is on track and launch
will be after summer.

I wouldn't believe Bugger Homes if my life dep onit.

I was just at the hair dresser in Marina Heights and I heard some interesting stories. The owner of Marina Heights has already reduced prices for his remaining units, he is selling now below market price. For 2 months he is trying to sell his last 2 units that have "Marina views"... Also many other owners seem to have started to look for buyers. Obviously bloody MST has started to have it's impact...

This os not true. Infact he is holding all his units and renting them.
Speak to Fahad for yourself mate.

Maggie

So this is how Emaar/Sheikh Mo and Co want the marina to look. This is pretty close to scale, you can see Emirates Harbour Hotel at 59 floors and the Big Ugly Beasts at 119 floors. It makes Phase one look like a low rise cluster of maisonettes.

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Loving those silhouettes - puts half of Dubai in the shade

On a serious note, it's a truly depressing sight.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

On the bright side TT will be the only 300+ meter building on earth fully protected from missile or other airborne attacks:)

i really want towers on the plot....but these towers are way too massvie and also too tall. i would prefer 2-3 towers arround 250m-300m, a normal base and definitely not that fat :)

LOL ... exagerated though

maybe it could cast a shadow on JLT aswell so I dont need to buy curtains

LOL ... exagerated though


the current proposal is exaggerated,yes. but 2-3 smaller towers also?. do you prefer a park on the plot?

^^ Unless the Sun will suddenly start shinning from the North, I "doub't" that would be the case.

ya, but those buildings could off set the axis of the earth, did you see the size of those shadows

Something tells me these 119 ft towers will not go ahead. I simply cannot believe they would let the Marina be so screwed up like this.
I think the intention is to get everybody really worried like this, then they'll scale them back to some standard sized towers, about 50 floors, reduce the podium to 5 floors then everybody will be relieved at the reduced sized and then accepts the project. It's all a ploy......they're just playing a psycological game with us here.

the current proposal is exaggerated,yes. but 2-3 smaller towers also?. do you prefer a park on the plot?

Was talking about the shadow of the buildings.

^^
LOL ... exagerated though

Not really exagerated Altin. if you look at the height of Emirates Harbour hotel and double it then the height of Marina Sky Towers is about right give or take a floor or two.

Also look at the length of shadow that the Habtoor hotel (i think) casts.

This is a wake up call to what this development would look like in the existing enviroment.

IT IS MASSIVE

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Great Idea !!

I hope the Big man sees it

Thank you :)

I recon they definitely will have problems. First of all there needs to be room for the tram so that should postpone construction slightly

Official render

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8568/mstab6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8568/mstab6.b5c1e325ef.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=78&i=mstab6.jpg)

1 bed Floorplan http://www.marinaskytowers.ae/fp1.htm

3 bed floorplan http://www.marinaskytowers.ae/fp11.htm

^^ What a badly designed floorplan for the 1BR ..... not enough space for the bed (one can't get around) or dinning table (how should people sit there).... and the bathroom :ohno: isn't the door too small? I would anyway propose there a slidding door

I love a lot of glass which provides light in the apartment, but the big contruction blocks near the windows take a lot of space up. Is it really necessary to build them as close to the windows?

HighThimes, should this ridiculous project go through all invloved people should be sent to Guantanamo without the chance to be released ever.

Dubai is becoming worse every day.

Thank you :)

I would love your permission to replace my rather crappy image on www.marinaskytowers.com with the one above. It really does highlight the problems with this planning decision.

Feel free to use my image. Anything that highlights the potential F**k up thats being proposed here is a good thing.

If i might ask what are your plans for that website ?

I recon they definitely will have problems. First of all there needs to be room for the tram so that should postpone construction slightly

Malec, could you elaborate on this subject please?

^^ Forget what I was talking about. Sorry, I thought the tram was going to go in front of the torch but it's going to go behind it.

Malec,

On the picture below the floor heights dont seem right to me particularly the Torch height in relation to Emirates Crown. Is there a reason for this maybe in your modeling program or something else?

Please dont think i am critisizing your work as all the rendering/modeling work on this Forum is amazing and it blows my mind every time something new gets posted by both you and DA.

I am just curious why TT looks not much taller than EC but is 20 floors taller on paper.?

If that makes sence?

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8149/qwtb8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I think we counted the total the total height of EC as the roof height, therfor EC could be a little to high.

^^ Exactly

[QUOTE=High Times;21743422]Feel free to use my image. Anything that highlights the potential F**k up thats being proposed here is a good thing.

No comment

With regards to the site, isn't their a potential legal issue with using the name marinaskytowers.com? I know in the UK, there are now trade mark infrigement laws set up to stop people deliberately settng up websites with registered trade mark names, either to attack them or to gain from their brand, e.g marksandspencer.ae

Something tells me these 119 ft towers will not go ahead. I simply cannot believe they would let the Marina be so screwed up like this.
I think the intention is to get everybody really worried like this, then they'll scale them back to some standard sized towers, about 50 floors, reduce the podium to 5 floors then everybody will be relieved at the reduced sized and then accepts the project. It's all a ploy......they're just playing a psycological game with us here.

6 months ago everyone who owned in the Tallest Block area raved at how it was the best location in the marina, simply because it had the highest concentration of supertalls in the world.

Then one day a developer announces plans to add to the area with their supertall development and the shit hits the fan. Why the sudden change of heart?

This development is no more offensive than the 90 floor Oasis beach tower or Al Bateen towers but we don't get 20 posts a day on their threads.

With regards to the site, isn't their a potential legal issue with using the name marinaskytowers.com? I know in the UK, there are now trade mark infrigement laws set up to stop people deliberately settng up websites with registered trade mark names, either to attack them or to gain from their brand, e.g marksandspencer.ae

No comment

6 months ago everyone who owned in the Tallest Block area raved at how it was the best location in the marina, simply because it had the highest concentration of supertalls in the world.

Then one day a developer announces plans to add to the area with their supertall development and the shit hits the fan. Why the sudden change of heart?

This development is no more offensive than the 90 floor Oasis beach tower or Al Bateen towers but we don't get 20 posts a day on their threads.

The difference is this one is not suited to the plot, it has a 14 storey podium on the marina front thereby destorying the marina lifestyle. Also the 3 towers are too wide and tall to prevent light from entering. It is also an eyesore.

The size of podium and width of towers is yet to be know with much accuracy ... the first image/render of the Torch was also extremely misleading in terms of the width of the tower.

Lets be honest here, the real reason is that DS investors have been mislead, deliberately or not, by the developer and/or sales people and so are totally pissed that they won't have what they were promised for very long.

If this development was behind MH and TT nearly no-one would be bitching about the design.

tito pass the tissues, jermain stop teasing

If this development was behind MH and TT nearly no-one would be bitching about the design.

It would be OK on a Tecom plot but on the marina front it is an issue for everyone in this district as it destroys the marina lifestyle. The view is not the only issue.

What? Do we have to apologise now just because many of the forums contributors have bought in The Torch, or any other SP project? And so what if ppl who've invested in the Torch are pissed at MST for blocking their views? Where's the big issue? Stating the obvious a bit, isn't it?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549952

Soon we can already see them under construction, in Busan.
These projects look quite the same :S

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=549952

Soon we can already see them under construction, in Busan.
These projects look quite the same :S

Wow! its nearly the same skyscrapers....But the podium looks thousand times better!!!

Wow! its nearly the same skyscrapers....But the podium looks thousand times better!!!

And they're well spaced out - just like the idiot who allowed this clusterfuck to be added to the marina

6 months ago everyone who owned in the Tallest Block area raved at how it was the best location in the marina, simply because it had the highest concentration of supertalls in the world.

Then one day a developer announces plans to add to the area with their supertall development and the shit hits the fan. Why the sudden change of heart?

This development is no more offensive than the 90 floor Oasis beach tower or Al Bateen towers but we don't get 20 posts a day on their threads.



The walk needs to be extended. That will add value to the area, cafes restaurants. Enough already with the tallest block nonsense, no sane building control agency would allow this joke to continue. Too many cars, people in this spot.

The thing about these towers isn't the height.
I'm sure if they got one of Adrian Smith's awsome 600m proposals combined with a phase 1 type public area (though of course modern looking to match the tower) then sure, people would still grumble but the situation would 10 times better.
What's bothersome about these is the architecture sucks, simple as that. The towers are too wide allowing no light through, the podium is way too high (they should have to build it to 5 stories like everyone else), doesn't contribute anything to the marina walk, and the towers are butt ugly.

Would something like this be better? :dunno:

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6821/61850906sz3.jpg

^^Is this a trick question?:)

yes it would be better, allows for more room around the marina area for public facilities , more light to the tallest block behind and it does not have a massive podium.

I saw a pick up parked outside the gate of Marina Heights on the pavement. The guy was recording figures of the traffic. He was facing the round about and not the traffic lights. They are possibly considering doing a one way system? Is this possible? Also saw some officals walking on the site the other day and inspecting the beacons or whatever those steel things are all around the site.

There is also talk of linking the arcade walkway to the plot between MH and TT with a pedestrian bridge ; if this is the case, we may have hope. MAYBE THE LORD HAS ANSWERED OUR PRAYERS? AND THAT THERE IS LOW RISE ARCADES, VILLAS AND MAYBE A HOTEL?

A new plan is to link all the buildings at the back to the Marina via an arcade / walk way and p /bridge. But Emaar Malls have an objection!

Emaar Malls can go jump off a tall building! The Burj Dubai for example!

I saw a pick up parked outside the gate of Marina Heights on the pavement. The guy was recording figures of the traffic. He was facing the round about and not the traffic lights. They are possibly considering doing a one way system? Is this possible? Also saw some officals walking on the site the other day and inspecting the beacons or whatever those steel things are all around the site.

There is also talk of linking the arcade walkway to the plot between MH and TT with a pedestrian bridge ; if this is the case, we may have hope. MAYBE THE LORD HAS ANSWERED OUR PRAYERS? AND THAT THERE IS LOW RISE ARCADES, VILLAS AND MAYBE A HOTEL?

A new plan is to link all the buildings at the back to the Marina via an arcade / walk way and p /bridge. But Emaar Malls have an objection!

Interesting, can i ask where you get this info from?

Is it from a reliable source or just hearsay?

Seems a bit pointless doing a traffic study when less than 50% of the towers are complete.

You seem to be making pretty definate statements ?

Yes I can confirm all the information given by Margaret is 100% correct. :cheers:

^^ Thank you for the confirmation Morris. :cheers:

Maybe we have a chance to be saved from the dark towers of evil HQ

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8568/mstab6.jpg

I was outside mate. Saw them personaly.

I think the survey was specific to the area near Spinneys , Marina Heights and the round about. I do not think it has anything to do with the whole of Marina.

Each day there are new stories for this area. However Emaar have denied to me any knowledge of ANY developement in the area. All they say I quote, "the plot has been sold".


Whatever happens, I guess we just have to "live" with it.

An answer at a meeting given to me was:

"...why are you complaining? you have doubled your money so you should be happy..."


These are the type of comments from some developers and some officials that reflect greed and lack of concern for the future and maintanance of areas completed already.

Sad.. as this could be such a lovely place to live in, considering they studied the Gold Coast canal plan and Sovereign Islands for months. They took a lot of the ideas but left out the open spaces, parks and the whole idea of water and views. The Marina now looks like a pond when it could have looked so much better.


Finally, for those who say that the soil is not good enough etc, the Infinity Project is going ahead and if that can support 85 odd stories, another 15 more will make no difference in the MST site. So that theory can be thrown out of the door.

I think only one thing and one thing alone can bring hope. That is:

"a miracle"

God Bless

Maggie

I had the opportunity once to attend a talk by one of the lead consultants for Emaar, an Australian, who at the time (2 years ago) was just exasperated by how Dubai Marina had turned out--with all the dense tower construction and few open spaces. It seems there was a certain vision in the beginning, from which the actual course of development has digressed.

We may lament this in one sense, but in another sense it is a kind of organic process. Who says everything should develop according to a plan? It is often that sense of chaos that makes large urban areas intersting, if not attractive. Some of us here are suggesting doom and gloom with MST, but there will be more to this story than shadows and lost views when all is said and done. Dubai Marina will still be something special and unique, even if those towers do come up.

I have to say that as a skyscraper enthusisast--that is the thing that has led most of us to this forum--MST can't be seen as a negative. It is the Manhattanisation of Dubai Marina more than the moored yachts that has attracted many of us. So what that the World Trade Center will be coming up on some (many) of our doorsteps. If there is anywhere in the world that you can stick three supertowers without causing too many heads to turn, then it is right here in Dubai Marina in the tallest block.

As long as 99% of all buyers only look to make a nice profit or to use Dubai as a money laundry etc. instead of living in their own properties the greedy neverending and stupid construction on every square meter will continue. The focus is clearly not to set up a nice environment where people want to live but to squeeze out the maximum profit of each square meter and will result in stupid buildings like MST. Of course this happens not only in Dubai but there is hardly a second place where it happens to that extent - resulting in a very bad quality and finishing in many many developments at unbelievable high prices. But the demand is obviously there and is driving and pushing the supply.

Some people compare this to the oasis beach hotel 90 floor tower. Well, at least that looks pretty good whereas this doesn't

Have they launched these Towers yet? If so where can I get one from?

You can get a tower from DAS Holdings, in Abu Dhabi. I think they're currently doing a buy-one-get-one-free deal, but you have to hurry.

I actually went and walked on the site. There is a gap from the broekn fence across the restaurant below MH.

It is a HUGE site no doubt. But what was interesting to note that the beacons or whatever those huge steel things are that go almost 10 floors underground , are at an angle near the corner of the road oppostie spinneys. So does this mean that the main builnig will let MH have a litlte view? The same applied around the corner of the grey concrete slab fence. On it was written in chalk DEC 11/02/08.

There was no beacons in the empty plot between TT and MH. It just went around.

All I can say that when you physically walk on the site, it is quite scary and much much bigger then what it looks like from the pics we have posted in here.

I am no engineer but after inspecting those beacons, there may be hope hehe.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL IF YOU GO IN AS THERE ARE HUGE HOLES IN THE GROUND THAT WERE DUG UP A FEW WEEKS AGO.

Love

Maggie

What a shame someone in Emaar lacks the vision needed to put this building in place of MST.

http://i26.tinypic.com/289llhj.jpg

This Iconic building would be fantastic for the Marina as a whole and could allow for a cluster of low level facilities for for leisure, commercial use in the 3-7 floor region to use the massive footprint but still allow a feeling of space in the already congested area.

My thoughts exactly when I saw and posted this yesterday.... all is needed is a little vision !!!

Yes, but this tower would probably yield about 15 times less amount of money than MST. So.... erm...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ wins the day.

I was reading they will be asking 10,000usd per sqm in this rotating kabab :)

^^Apartments starting from $3.7m and going up to $36m. I'll put my cheque book away I think!

Yeah, but Anjam, remember you can take your car all the way up to your apartment regardless of the floor level you are on.. what a price to pay for a parking space hey !!! LOL

^^

Well if that is accurate then the developers could easily afford to put it on arguably one of the most prestigous plots of land in Dubai.

Lets face it all of the land in Dubai is eventually going to get used up in some way. The plot of land earmarked for this proposal is the jewel in the crown.

This would form the centre piece of the so called City within a City. With the residence of the whole marina 100,000 + being able to watch it move around and look on in wonder at this archituctural masterpiece.

Anyone at DAS if you read this why not sell on the land to someone who can create a focal point/ centerpiece for the Marina.

ADDED - Apparantly the video on the Google homepage yesterday suggested a Marina location, anyone see it ??

They had some people on site today measuring and taking pics. Also they have dug a big hole near the beacon; inside but on the corner of the fence opposite spinneys.

Will try take a pic if I can.

Also they have dug a big hole near the beacon; inside but on the corner of the fence opposite spinneys.



Let's hope that's for the moron who approved this nightmare...

This could well be the longest winge this forum has ever seen...

Once you realise the talest lock is an urban area and not a marina area, it doesnt seem too bad....


..or does it?

They taking water samples from the hole. Also there are huge cracks that have come up on the edges.

Maggie

Can you please take a photo?

Are these "huge cracks" potential problems to come, or were you referring to the builders who have come on site?

Are these "huge cracks" potential problems to come, or were you referring to the builders who have come on site?

:hilarious

Any news on this yet? Last rumour was that launch was postponed to September and another that the project has been moved.

Margeret Zimmerman said

"There is talk / negotiations to carry the arcade through to the MST site to join onto the Marina via an open park.

They want to join all the buildings at the back to Marina Walk via the MST site."

It's probably been cancelled.

cool wit me

Is this still not gone to never built..

I really hope its just a joke
why on earth would any City build such design like this that is taller than current WTB.
I prefer just three boxy shapes with a normal podium.

Plot 16.07.2008

Pic from MisterMark :okay:

http://i35.tinypic.com/156y4vn.jpg

It's gonna be a carpark for busses!

^^:lol: why not ...

It's interesting that the latest Interactive map from the Dubai government still has nothing on the MST plot, yet it has most approved developments such as beach towers, channel towers, even the doghnut hotel.

http://i33.tinypic.com/260udsw.jpg

Actual source here:
http://www.dtcm-dubaimap.com/applet/map.html

^^ This really isn't indicative of anything. The roadworks on the map are inaccurate, e.g. the bridges across the Marina, IC 5.5, etc. There is no Marina Arcade shown and other places indicating buildings where there are none proposed yet, e.g. between Torch and MH.

^^ mhhhh i just hope that the time will come that someone will post a articel with "MST-beast of the Marina cancelled" as headline...

The map is not accurate at all, there is a bridge missing for a start next to Bay Side.

I wish it would be cancelled but I am hearing that it is still going ahead, waiting for the promised details that keep going back on a weekly basis :bash::bash:

They said September.

I thought they would attempt a relaunch at Cityscape in October 6 - 9. But East&West and DAS are not on the list of exhibitors. So may be cancelled. :banana:

And the building image is no longer on their website (although site looks like in middle of redesign)......

Still there for me :dunno:
http://www.dasholding.ae/home.html

This projects is obviously struggling to get approval in its current form.

Can anyone tell me of any other proposed projects that had got to a similarly advanced stage and was then cancelled.

I mean model exibited, website launched, sales agents appionted, floorplans designed etc?

Thanks.

Yeah, I heard the bill for just the 3-D render was $1.2 Billion, and they had to borrow a couple of 486-DX 66mhz computers from Nasa, since it's so huge.

Still there for me :dunno:
http://www.dasholding.ae/home.html

Oh yes, was looking at http://www.dasholding.com/ I see its still on the .ae site..... I suppose a bit of wishful thinking !!!

This projects is obviously struggling to get approval in its current form.

Can anyone tell me of any other proposed projects that had got to a similarly advanced stage and was then cancelled.

I mean model exibited, website launched, sales agents appionted, floorplans designed etc?

Thanks.

My info (source:better homes) is that it will launch in september, when summer is over. No redesigns planned.
I hope I am wrong.

My info (source:better homes) is that it will launch in september, when summer is over. No redesigns planned.
I hope I am wrong.

Betterhomes told me launch will be in September but they have no idea on the height and they still working on the design. Not convinced however!

I suggest 24 - 10 - 24, and a similiar design to Bay Central, but thinner, sleaker and a bit more invisible.

Or completely underground. Another world first, The Marina Subterranean towers.

3 Bed Room / Atlantis View

They must have been told to redesign something otherwise they would have launched by now. The market will not be any stronger after summer and build costs are increasing all the time making this unfeasible. Perhaps the tender for contractors returned no good results. We were told they are changing to all office towers which make sense as not enough people will be willing to pay 3000psf for residential to sell out this ugly crowded tower. On the other hand this is no place for office towers on the marina front which was intended for marina lifestyle. :bash:

Move it away from the marina front.

Yeah, relocate it to the moon, and then market it as a travel location from the new RAK space station.

What a mismatch if they made these all office towers! 20,000 people doing the 9-5 routine daily. The best Marina views and access to the best shops and amenities all wasted on stressed out workers. Imagine the hundreds of people always milling about on the podium and Marina Walk getting their smokes. Yukk!!

We were told they are changing to all office towers which make sense as not enough people will be willing to pay 3000psf for residential to sell out this ugly crowded tower. On the other hand this is no place for office towers on the marina front which was intended for marina lifestyle. :bash:

Move it away from the marina front.

Where did this change to offices info come from ?

Keep your fingers crossed. I just heard from sources ( A high ranking Sheikh in Emaar), saying that the project was cancelled in its proposed form.

I am still reluctant to believe this but any hope is good for now...

^^ Good news! Thanks for giving us all hope!

I said so months ago. :tongue2:

Old news

but confirmed today by a high ranking Sheikh from Emaar :banana:

The project was cancelled in its proposed form. Now we need to wait and see what changes are made. I hope they are big changes and not something minor.

...

i really want towers on the plot...but not that high and not that fat :)

The project was cancelled in its proposed form. Now we need to wait and see what changes are made. I hope they are big changes and not something minor.

Yeh hope its more than removal of the helipads for health and safety reasons.

Power to the people.

I still think it will be a long wait to see what is finaly approved so the Bollinger is still being chilled with a view to opening in the future as far as I'm concerned.

It would be great to hear a bit more from Margaret Zimmerman on the subject.

For me the feasibility of 3k psf launches is reducing now as i feel the market is definately cooling off. Oil prices droping too. Maybe a summer blip but who knows.

but confirmed today by a high ranking Sheikh from Emaar :banana:

The project was cancelled in its proposed form. Now we need to wait and see what changes are made. I hope they are big changes and not something minor.

The design maybe, but the 3 towers will be built - for sure !! Trust me !!:nuts::cheers:

I hope they don` t build this 3 towers. Just create a small park with green grass and some palms would be nice...

A tower near the chicago spire looks similar to this ugly towers. Look at this pic and take it 3 times and higher

http://lh5.ggpht.com/harry.r.carmichael/SIeOREPt-vI/AAAAAAAAtbo/L15W08S1vnU/IMG_3895.JPG?imgmax=720

No! No! :nono:

I think the heat on psf prices is far from over, regardless of how oil does.

Maybe psf prices will keep rising for a while yet but no way they can sell 3000 apartments at 3000+ psf in the next 12 months for this design, especially when prices will dip in 2 years time. No investor would touch it. That is why they are looking at offices. This is not a feasible project anymore. To be fesible now the project must be very exclusive and special with less units or offer great facilities, shops and recreation. Something people can not resist to buy into no matter how much they have to pay. Something that encompasses the marina lifestyle.

You mean something like this.

http://i33.tinypic.com/10ml94i.jpg

Anyway if these cowboys were given the land as a gift they shouldnt be looking at maximum profit they should be looking to add something of benefit to the Marina.

Maybe psf prices will keep rising for a while yet but no way they can sell 3000 apartments at 3000+ psf in the next 12 months for this design, especially when prices will dip in 2 years time. No investor would touch it. That is why they are looking at offices. This is not a feasible project anymore. To be fesible now the project must be very exclusive and special with less units or offer great facilities, shops and recreation. Something people can not resist to buy into no matter how much they have to pay. Something that encompasses the marina lifestyle.

but that already exists at the pentominium or le reve

Seems that http://www.marinaskytowers.ae/ has been taken down / no longer working. :banana:

Taken down? Website of MST still running....

was not working earlier. Seems back again :(

Do not panic....Nothing will happen...I have great vibes......

what has this got to do with mst????

It hasn't got anything to do with MST its to do with AITU taking i comment i made nearly three months ago completely out of context and trying to make it look like i was talking shite.

He's probably been sat at his PC for the last 8 weeks waiting for Sheikh Mo to have a public engagement to try and make my statement look incorrect.



As Altin rightly says most decisoins are eventually given the ok by Sheik Mo.
I can guarantee that Sheik Mo will need to sign this off to go ahead.



^^:ohno: You guys are seriously disillusioned if you think the Ruler of Dubai (as well as being the Prime Minister and Vice President of the UAE) makes all decisions like these.



AITU, If you seriously think the big man doesnt oversee all the big decisions in Dubai then your seriously mis-informed.
He doesnt need to play politics and so his time can be spend building a nation to match his vision.

Thats why AITU posted Sheikh Mo on duty in the US to make a rather pathetic point that he does engage with foreign leaders which i never suggested anyway. I was just making the point that the man does not have to play the political games that western leaders do as he is not democraticaly elected.

This is why he can devote so much more time to developing his country and making decisions that matter. Unlike the UK where major palnning decisions can take 3 years to gain approval. Thats why we are living in the dark ages comapred to some emerging econemies.

Anyway on with the MST show unless AITU wants to challange anything else i have said within the last year ?

guys cut the crap.
the whole development is crappy enough.

So any news on its cancellation yet?

the plan is to bore the crap out of any possible investor resulting in cancellation :bash:

Are you saying that's a good thing?

Dunno if this is a good thing or not..

This morning and right now too, they have had trucks and guys cleaning the boundaries and loading black bin bags on them. They have a tractor in now that is flattening the edges too....

So who knows what is planned....a lot of guys inspecting the site this morning with 4 wheel drives....

OH PLEASE GOD SAVE US FROM THESE HORRIBLE KEBAB TOWERS!

This was always due to start in September wasn't it?

Rumour was that re-launch and pre sales would be in September, not work commencing. I would have thought they would need to have a successful launch and good initial sales before construction started.

No confirmed news from DAS / East&West on any new design as of yet or if it is in fact cancelled. We can only hope and pray that it is.

Please sign the petition

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

And then there were six :)

Maybe they cleaning that side to store all the things for DAMAC as they are starting on that site and there is no room in fornt due to the new bridge? may be...

Well, I tried to get other people to sign by posting it on different sites but everyone either said "screw off, I dont care" or "but they are awesome!"

In the end I ended up getting -1 signitures lol. After I posted it, it went down from 29 to 28.

^^ Thanks for the support. 1 was deleted as it was a duplicate.

If was six before I posted it on MHT forum :)

Last night the mobile offices were puton the DAMAC site and I suspect they may use the MST site to sotre theit stuff too....

MST site has been "combed" by the tractors ...I wonder whay is going on...???

Sounds like they're going to plant some pretty flowers :lol:

Last night the mobile offices were puton the DAMAC site and I suspect they may use the MST site to sotre theit stuff too....

MST site has been "combed" by the tractors ...I wonder whay is going on...???

So it looks this project maybe going ahead then ? However surely they would do a big launch and proper marketing for such a big project.

Are sites usually combed before excavating / piling?

However surely they would do a big launch and proper marketing for such a big project.

Cityscape in October :dunno:

A good time to hand out the petition comments :)

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

They are still cleaning this morning and a yellow thing has come near the Torch side and is digging something..???

Big bird?

what is a big bird?

It is all quiet down there now but that yellow tractor is still there but just parked.

what is a big bird?

It is all quiet down there now but that yellow tractor is still there but just parked.
That is
http://www.waynebesen.com/Big%20Bird.jpg

^^ Big Bird says NO to the Marina Sky Towers

:lol:

:lol:

if only it could be true....just heard from another source that the project is cancelled.....
IF ONLY THIS IS TRUE AND THE MARINA IS SAVED FROM THE MONSTER, I WILL DISTRIBUTE CAKES TO EVERYONE....

OH PLEASE ANGELS ......SAVE THE MARINA FROM THIS AWFUL MONSTER OF A MONSTER

^^ The cake is a lie.

If the monster is cancelled they will build another one, do not be naiv and assume that they have understood anything... they will srcew the marina for sure, one way or the other.

There's nothing wrong with a monster going on this plot. As long as it looks right, is positioned right and has been carefully planned with enough consideration made to the rest of the marina. Otherwise it will be a pain in the arse (end).

IF this pile of shit gets cancelled.

Of course they will build something big here but as long as it adds to the marina i am cool with that. I dont care if my view of a few boats are lost. I just want to live in an area that is astheticaly pleasing, and works well as a community.

Not 3 Phallic symbols of greed.

Again Margaret, it's encouraging to hear your news, but from where do you get such information ?

Sometimes you men are so insensitive to a woman's feeling and hopes.

The cake may be a lie but we can still depend on weighted companion cube!

http://www.kombo.com/images/content/misc/companion-cube.jpg

Oh wait, we already murdered him :(

Sometimes you men are so insensitive to a woman's feeling and hopes.

Thats strange.

My last 3 wives have all said exactly the same thing. :)

ZING!

k now get serious.....this is about MST and not your wives etc...

Looks like DAS, (East & West Properties) have a stand at cityscape.

http://www.cityscape.ae/ExhibitorList1.html?detailId=988

:gunz::gunz::gunz:

Looks like they will be relaunching at Cityscape as expected.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

Here Steve, I have signed your petition.

^^Its time for Swampy and his gang, petitions time has long gone :bash:

margaret do you have any more vibes?

Any update on the plot or more cancellations. I suspect the rumours you heard from other people are just those who read this thread.

What is this more lobbying by DAS?

http://www.eyeofdubai.com/v1/news/newsdetail-24696.htm

What is this more lobbying by DAS?

http://www.eyeofdubai.com/v1/news/newsdetail-24696.htm

I'd say a little more than lobbying here. These boys are seriously connected.

I reckon they must have photos of Sheikh Mo and his favorite camel sharing a moment. :kiss:


margaret do you have any more vibes?

So you are starting up that Anne Summers job then Steve. Good luck mate. :)

^^Khalid Deemas Al Suwaidi, CEO, DAS Holding LLC

Part of the Al Suwaidi clan of Abu Dhabi, who include many high profile figures including the Governor of the Central Bank in the UAE, H.E. Sultan bin Nasser Al Suwaidi

:gunz::gunz::gunz:

Looks like they will be relaunching at Cityscape as expected.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

i appreciate ur efforts, but let me tell you petitions dont even work in democratic territories, let alone in a monarchy-style contry.

it's a shame das wasnt given a different plot. for how sad this will end up being for us hopefuls, they will go ahead and build the monster.

ironically, TT most expensive side will turn out to be the cheapest and hardest to sell. what a great job by those working for one of the most successful developers in dubai.

^^ have we all forgotten?

their are many towers in the supertall area where their views are blocked by other towers except for the front line towers.

are their apartments also hard to sell?
we have new launches soon of marina 106 which will be surrounded by towers on all three sides. will they be hard to sell? i dont think so

we also have marina pinnacle which up to floor 60 have all their apartments surrounded? are they hard to sell? i dont think so

they all have high premiums and their prices are higher than prices in 2005 when was the original launch of the torch

^^
I agree with you on this point.

If you research appartment prices in Manhatten (the densest area of urban development on earth i believe), views of nothing but other buildings dont seem to effect their prices detrementaly. It is expected that your view will be someone elses appartment window.

What is an issue for me is the lack of amieneties that this plot could have provided for potentialy around 20,000 residents or more.

Marina arcade isn't enough. This plot could of been a liesure complex that is badly needed in this part of town.

But remember it is not about the welfare and requirements of the 20'000 residents, its the potential bucks that can be made from this development going to the few that are in the "OLD BOYS CLUB", I will help you and you help me type mentality.....I guess this is just business but at what cost to the investors that make this place the success story it is...:ohno:

I am sitting in expensive NYC office space right now as I type this. The Chrysler building is out my window.

Buildings really are on top of each other here. Decent apartments with a view of nothing sell for $1,200 psf. Add a view of a park, water, or above other buildings, and the price goes way up to $2k or more. So views do count for quite a bit.

On the other hand, density has its advantages. There will be that many more shops, restaurants, meeting spots, amenities, etc.

NYC works because the subways ease the street traffic. There are 5 subway lines running north-to-south, and each has a local & express track. Total ridership hits 140m rides per month. Rich folks can take pricey taxis because the worker bees are underground. Transport is quick, efficient, and cost effective.

As for Dubai Marina... I am a bit concerned. Driving is already a pain. The Dubai Metro will help, but it has limited capacity. Each train can carry between 800 and 900 people in total, and they will run every 90 seconds or so... That's only 36,000 people per hour. It may have trouble bringing all the Marina folks to the business district(s) even before the Sky Towers. Add in all the the Waterfront folks need to get to SZR, and the Metro system will be overloaded.

I am not really opposed to the Sky Towers in principle. I love vertical living. I don't mind density.

But I am not convinced that the area will have the necessary infrastructure to support them anytime soon.

Steve,

Thanks for your views from an existing metropolis residents perspective. :)

I to am not oposed to MST for the sake of it. I actualy think the tower design is nice to look at. For me it's just the logistics and lack of infastructure in the tallest block and the amount of extra traffic, both pedestrian and vehucular that 3 X 100 fl towers will bring.

For me everything with this project is wrong

wrong design
wrong location
wrong, wrong, wrong.......really everything

For me everything with this project is wrong

wrong design
wrong location
wrong, wrong, wrong.......really everything

Totally agree... I say relocate it to Business Bay, its design would fit it better there as a commercial tower, leave the tallest block to share the view that so many have bought into, sell it as commercial at higher price per sqft, everybodies happy...

^^ You lost any posting credentials when you started talking about "... the view that so many have bought into ..."

^^ You lost any posting credentials when you started talking about "... the view that so many have bought into ..."

Why??, for those that bought like myself several years back now with the confirmation from the developer that the plot infront had restricted height use, than my statement is correct, and many will agree as they were sold and bought into the same... We all know that we live in a world change and have to move along with change, but facts are facts and reministing along with these facts should be perfectly acceptable... one mans view on the subject is not always the same as another mans, but that does not mean it should hold no relavance... my purchases were both properties for investments and a purchase for personal use, so the view subject is close to my heart.... Is that so wrong ??

^^ And how is that all related to MARINA SKY TOWERS?

It is not about the views. I gave up on that a long time ago. What is important there is that these towers do not fit on this location. It destroys the marina phase 1 area. I would quite happy have 2 100 floor towers here if they were slimmer and provided facilities to all resident as part of the development such as shopping, entertainment, green areas and so on. It could also be designed to fit into the marina front to provide a lifestyle for all residents in this area.

We know that a version of this is likely to go ahead as the websites for DAS and MST are still up and running advertising the MST renders. Also DAS (East & West) will be at Cityscape to relaunch. However is there any chances that the towers could have been moved to another more suitable plot? Any signs of work going on the plot?

^^ And how is that all related to MARINA SKY TOWERS?

My views on MST are not just about the loss of views (if you follow me) its the total package and my feelings of this development being totally wrong for this particular plot... I can go on to tell why I think that this is so, but its been covered by others time and time again, so I won't bore, but as I said its my take on the subject and I will stuck to it... if others disagree then you will take comfort in me bowing out of this particular conversation at this time as I only wished to share my voice not aggravate ...

^^ And plus it's butt ugly, pure and simple.

What vision do they have makes you wonder after the rubbish on JBR and that tramc / runway too....

Some recent comments on these towers from the petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

This eye-sore of a project will ruin the phase 1 area of Dubai Marina.

This is the wrong location for such towers. The podium is far too tall destroying the marina lifestyle.

The podium of the towers is just way too big.

This hair-brained, badly-designed project will ruin the entire Marina, not to mention cause all kinds of traffic problems! And Jeez! To the architect - are you freaking blind man??? Your design sucks ass! You should immediately be struck off and incarcerated for your crime!

This plot should be used to maximise liveability for all Marina Residents not maximise profits.

MST is the perfect way to destroy some of the best land in the marina! Come up with a new design that doesnt suck so much, the podium is horrifying!

Totally wrong for this plot, this has got to be moved to a plot that can cope with this size of development, please cancel it and the whole marina will benefit !!!!

The Marina and sorrounds were a sign that Dubai and its Plannning Authority had considered the sustainability and beauty of this unique development - this current proposal would see a significant degredation of quality of the area, the overall attractivness and the asthetic quality will suffer - the "New Dubai" tag will be lost forever - at the risk of sounding trite surely a Green Space would offer greater value - for anyone who has lived in HK or any other developing country the value of getting the development foot-print right now will have its rewards in the future - Emaar should display its commitment to sustainable development and promote itself as a true developer of distinction now by recognising this opportunity as one to distinguish itself as a global leader in not only the biggest and most inovative developers in the region but the best -

This building is an eyesore and will ruin the marina.

I live in Marina Height Tower and I notice that people are always strugling to find a parking in order to enjoy the Marina Walk and all it's facilities. So a good use of this spot will be a parking with some green parts, so it can be a kind of extention of this beautiful project which is the Marina Walk. In my opinion if this project goes on it will take out all the charm of the Marina and make it look like closed area (something like JBR 2), not the open space it is now. So please let the Marina continu being as beautiful as it is now.

What an eysore on a beautiful marina.

My 20 year experience in Town Planning and my role as an executive in several committee's overseas, warrants my comment that this project in its form will not only ruin Marina Walk but will also display the the greed and power hungry attitude of several developers with no vision. Developers who seem to have higher connections and look for status in tall towers rather then design and suitability of an area and surrounding infrastructure. Dubai Marina was one of the pride developments, for Dubai , but a concrete jungle with bad planning seems to be emerging. Bright lights and tall towers do not make a beautiful place. Dubai is good at listing the biggest and best and tallest and widest etc. Now the new terms of the ugliest, worst and dirtiest etc will emerge in the media. Projects like Marina Sky Towers will be the eye sore in front of what will become MARINA POND! Lack of vision and pure lust for money!

This development must not go ahead. It will ruin the entire marina.

make better use of the space and use more greenery. the marina needs more green spaces and less concrete jungle.

Dubai is in the wonderful position of being able to plan cities from scratch. Simply building higher and higher, closer and closer to satisfy the profit motive of companies whilst creating yet another horrible blot on the landscape is, I am sure, not part of the vision of Sheikh Mohammed.

This development will totally ruin the WHOLE Marina area. Completely in the wrong location !

This will ruin the marina.

Its a prime location that deserves an iconic building. MST is plain ugly. Its size is too big and will give local infrasturcture nightmares.

it's disgusting what they are doing, btw i don't live in the area or in the same state but its sick what they are doing.

total disregard for the whole area ! complete montrosity

This area should be kept for a open space, some where to chill and take in the atmosphere, definitely not for 3 supertall ugly skyscrapers. This surely cant go ahead!!! Do not allow this project to go ahead. give us some greenery instead!

This would totally spoil this end of the marina.

The continuation of this project would be a disaster for the marina and would go against all previous planning restrictions placed on all other developments in that area - how could this be allowed to happen?

This project will, in my opinion, completely ruin the quality of life for many thousands of residents and visitors to Dubai Marina. Please do not allow this to happen.

The scale and perspective of Sky Towers would destroy all perspective and line of Marina Walk which has been developing into a well considered head of the Marina. Building on this scale obliterates this concept and a previously great looking area would become a total eyesore. How could any rational and intelligent city planning ever allow this to be approved? Does anyone in Dubai consider the people who have committed to the future and made their lives here? It appears not. Aesthetically, ethically and practically this is a monstrosity. It serves only to benefit developers. Dubai City needs to concentrate on making desirable, well formed and flourishing communities, not creating annonymous faceless ghettos. Time for a serious rethink.

This THREE towers would DESTROY the WHOLE marina. So dear authority please don´t approv this towers..THIS MUST BE STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone remember Spain in the 70's - if you can this Marina is heading the same way.The building of towersmust stop before its to late.If this Monster of a tower is allowed to be build right smack in the front of the Marina then I am sure Dubai will be getting it wrong BIG TIME --

it is destroying the marina project...

HI,JUST MY VIEWS ON MTS.IF MST IS BUILT AROUND THE A5C, D, & E PLOTS, IT WOULD MOST DEFINATELY DESTROY WHAT HAS BEEN GROWING IN TO A BEAUTIFUL AREA OF THE MARINA. FOR MST TO BE BUILT IN IT'S CURRENT FORM ANYWHERE WOULD RUIN IT'S SURROUNDINGS.IN MY VIEW, THE DESIGN OF MST, IF IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A DESIGN, IS 100% ABOUT MAKING MONEY FOR THE OWNER(S) OF THE PLOT(S) AT THE EXPENSE OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID PREMIUM PRICES FOR PROMISED VIEWS.

These towers would be an abomination if built. They're both unfriendly, out of scale, and a huge eyesore.

An absolute disgrace if this gets approved. It will show that EMAAR and HRH "vision of the marina" as a quality living area are well and truely dead, planning control now out of control and the whole marina driven by pure greed, with no consideration for those that have bought into "the dream" that was Dubai Marina.

A complete horror of a design.

I'm totally agrre with this petition....it's a wrong project in a wrong place!

I cannot believe that this ghastly tower may be built in Dubai Marina. It will,without doubt, spoil the Marina and surely will go down in history as being one of the most ugliest buildings ever built. Keep signing the petition. we must do everything we can to stop this monstrosity.

Will seriously harm the Marina Walk and North end of the Marina. Towers are too large to put three of them in that space while maintaining smooth logistics, traffic, and aesthetics.

Good work Steve,

With what you have done on page 1 of this thread and also the online petition too.

As Octobers Cityscape is only 5 weeks away, when i suspect this project will officialy launch. I imagine that the fate of this outcome has already been decided.

We can only pray that those in power have seen a degree of sence when approving the final design.

A 50% scale reduction is probably the best the Marina can hope for with worst case being what has been proposed so far.

I am still concerned that the true impact of this disgracefull pile of greed is not known in and around Dubai Marina.

why not a mosque...just a thot...a nice BIG one...and u wuld be able to hear the prayer throughout the whole marina since it wuld be rite on the water...

R

Latest: Being scaled down and redesigned. Won't be in time for Cityscape.

Source: BetterHomes

I have heard the same that this wont be launched at cityscape in October and plans no where near finalised.

...maybe some people may have used their brains at last....(scale down, redesign)

Rumours Rumours and Romours i love this thread

Latest i heard is the redesign will be scaled back but they'll do whatever they need to, to block Dubai Steves View :)

I reckon the best we can hope for is a scaled down version of around 40 storeys.

40 stories would be perfect for this location i would like to see decent buildings beeing built there something like phase 1 and then the big towers in the background, that would be great...

even 60 stories would be ok i think, but it depends on the design

Doesn't matter what height they are, the design has to be good. :)

^^

But some really good designed 100 floor buildings would also suck on this location...
IMO towers with heights with 400m+ also if good designed are too tall for a such location...

Or am i wrong?

I think there should only be 2 towers here with some green areas and villas / shops which blends with the environment. I think it important not to use the entire plot with one massive shared podium with a motorway around it!!!! In the worst case the towers should be MUCH thinner to allow light to towers behind. Something like Bay Central would also be acceptable as there is space between the towers.

if the towers are REALLY being redesigned, then we should all aknowledge that, afterall, the ruler did take account of our concerns. if thats the case, he would turn out to be who he claims to be, not like most politicians in the west, who pretend to be listening to people but then dont give a s**t about it.

Making the area surrounding the towers blend with Phase 1 should be a priority here. There should be boardwalk, gardens, cafes, restaurants, shops recreational facilities and so on. It has to be a pleasant area - a place where people want to be.

^^ I completely agree with you. This is what is required in order to make Dubai Marina a lifestyle choice. However if DAS are only scaling back their design I doubt we will see this desperately needed requirement for the marina implemented. :no:

Well done to Dubai Steve for taking action with iPetitions to demnstrate the general view of people involved in the marina :)

Great work, I hope decision people sit up and listen / take note of these comments.

Located in the heart of the highly sought after Dubai Marina community, Marina Sky Towers, unveiled at Cityscape Abu Dhabi, a unique mixed use development, will offer breathtaking views of the Dubai Marina skyline, encompassing an array of true lifestyle components. The iconic project will become one of the most exclusive trio development projects in the city.

Marina Sky Towers will represent a flagship high-rise development within Dubai Marina, offering a range of home and commercial office types, including penthouses and state-of-the-art commercial spaces under one roof.

World-class facilities including infinity swimming pools, day care centres, health club with multiple gymnasiums, a business centre for residents, and an automatic parking facility will be standard features, taking its service facility to new and unparalleled standards.

Set against a fully functional Marina backdrop, Marina Sky Towers will be sought after for its cosmopolitan approach to modern living; mixing residential, commercial, retail and leisure components, to demonstrate the uniqueness of its mixed use development.

In a true central location, Marina Sky Towers will become one of the standalone iconic developments of Dubai, set for international recognition, for design innovation and for quality of finishing.

Q&A’s

Q:
What are the important announcements that will be made during the exhibition?
A:
The Marina Sky Towers’ mega project is being unveiled by developer East & West. Marina Sky Towers, the new residential and commercial icon located in the hub of Dubai Marina, where sophistication and style meets comfort and practicality. A breathtaking experience that exceeds the greatest expectations and must be truly lived to be believed!

Q:
What are you expecting to achieve via your participation in Cityscape Abu Dhabi?
A:
Cityscape Abu Dhabi is the ideal platform to further enhance and support the vision for residential and commercial property growth worldwide to an international audience, highlighting monumental architecture, revolutionary development and unparalleled investment opportunities. The unique way in which it brings together the key decision makers makes it the ‘must-attend’ event to influence and network with independent buyers, investors, developers and organizations involved in the development, design and construction of major public and private properties.

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What do you reckon the hot topics will be this year?
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The environmental awareness, CSR, green buildings and sustainable construction will be, without any doubt, at the core of this year’s event. The construction industry plays a major role in improving the quality of the built environment, but it also impacts on the wider environment in a number of ways. For instance, the design of Marina Sky Towers embraces environmental concerns as it adopts several green codes of practice and building regulations, while adding beauty to the landscape with its curved façade as it tries to capture the movement where sea almost hugs the scene.

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How vital is it for East & West to be present at Cityscape and other similar events?
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Cityscape is an annual networking exhibition and conference focusing on all aspects of the property development cycle, and Marina Sky Towers’ presence is essential for recognition of the upcoming project.


http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/PressReleases/pressrelease_details.aspx?ID=136

Evening High Times, It looks like this was part of a press release from May 08 when their intentions were as we knew them in full size, so I think we still need to wait to see what comes out of cityscape on this matter.... then panic if needed.

has the launch of the new small design been delayed to April 09?

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2610/dsc02194ks1.jpg

^^ Save the Marina ...

Mr Al Abbar (CEO of Emaar) thinks that Marina Heights is the ugliest building he has ever seen and threatend to have it knocked down.

Perhaps this is whay we have MST. To cover up the mess.

Have a look at this video. from 1:40 - 2:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD0ClqkBQ0E&feature=related

^^Makes you think that if he can't stand the MH concrete podium facing the Marina, will he allow MST to go ahead in the original form? He talks about most people not having taste, whatever goes on this plot will surely reflect his. I can't believe anything will be built here (good or bad) without his blessing.

That is soooo old, and he's clearly showing off for the cameras (just look at the reaction of his 'advisers'). He should stick to judging tents if he thinks MST is better.

This guy should rather take care of his lousy company and streamline them to complete their projects not years later than promised.

It is very funny to listen to him talking about taste... haha

Actually, Emaar is way more dependable in term of completing projects and offering qood quality finishes. I'd endorse more than any other company in Dubai right now. I know my money is safe and i know that the product delivered will be good. Infact, when we got our residences apartment, there were a very things for snagging which were almost instantly sorted out!

My understanding is that MST went over Emaar's head so they have no control as to what will go on this plot. Mind you that was only a rumour. But it shows that Emmar either have bad taste to allow MST or that they are not in full control of their master planned development.

Is there any chance of it being scaled back to 40 Floors ?

^^ Very much doubt that mate.

First I have seen of this. Perhaps I should read more in to the debate as I dont really check the forum here much but at the risk of just getting into this debate.

Development has being going on like this all over the marina. And it has been over developled but you could see that was going to happen. But I dont think it resonabale that once you have your place there you want stop other developments. This all strikes me a little hypocritical. While the development is large and should be scaled back to some degree it is hardly in strak contrast to the other super towers all around.

But I must say if have you bought property in Dubai Marian in one of exisitng towers and expected all development to come to hault once you had your place then your are mistaken.

I heard today that MST has been canceled and the PLOT is for sale.

I heard today that MST has been canceled and the PLOT is for sale.

Scoot, tell us more..please..

... and the PLOT thickens.

Now somebody will build 4 towers on the plot making them even wider and bigger than before. :)

I heard today that MST has been canceled and the PLOT is for sale.

Sheihk Mohammed could buy it and build a mosque and park for the marina.

Now somebody will build 4 towers on the plot making them even wider and bigger than before. :)

hopefully not :lol:

Sheihk Mohammed could buy it and build a mosque and park for the marina.

Ameen :)

Ameen :)

.... Sum Ameen

Any news on this yet? Has it really been cancelled and the PLOT for sale as recently suggested? Are any of the 2 plots for sale below related. Will MST still go ahead in one form or another. The mys(t)ery continues...

Dubai Marina - Freehold
Permission: G+ Unlimited (Residential+ 5% Shops / Hotel Apts.)
Location: Corner, on 2 roads, Prime Location
Plot Area: 37,500 Sq. ft,
Built Up Area: Unlimited Sq. ft,
Total Selling Price: AED 375,000,000
Payment: 100% Paid


Dubai Marina - Freehold
Permission: G+31 (5 Star Hotel / Res.)
Plot Area: 36,000 Sq. ft,
Built Up Area: 323,000 Sq. ft,
Location: Corner, Full Marina & Park View
Total Selling Price: AED 242,000,000 (750 /Sq. ft)
Payment: 100% Paid

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

Anyone know what construction cost averages are in Dubai ? TB, MAckie??

If land is AED750 psf as indicated above for the Marina, then i would have thought construction costs have got to be AED500 psf. Factor in Developer profit at 50% and that indicates to me that Marina prices are going up over the next few years, especialy since major infrastructure is starting to come on line.

5.5 interchange up and running.
Marina Mall and Gormet tower within 6-9 months.
Metro station progressing well

These 3 things add great potential for increases in my view.

Add the tram system and the Marina arcade and who knows where prices will be in 3 years time.

I reckon 3k as an average for completed property.

Hopefully next week we might learn more about the MST situation.

I heard today that MST has been canceled and the PLOT is for sale.

bad news,then we can push back the Dubai Marina completion date again:)

those plots have G+unlimited permission , will take ages for finishing.

Yes, than take this thread to the 'Never Builts'

Lets wait to see at cityscape first.