No developer is going to purchase this plot and make a recreational area.

Doesn't matter who buys here, its going to be full-sized and will block some Torch’s investors Marina views.

Except if SP wants to expand ….. could buy and build 3 more Avenues (North / South & East Avenue).

Anything other than MST would be acceptable here. I doubt it could get worse than that.

We already have Part 1 of this thread moved to "never build", even that I never understood the need for that.

Anything other than MST would be acceptable here. I doubt it could get worse than that.

yeh, worse is almost impossible :lol: ^^

I Live in Hope...................

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Nice kebabs!

Nice kebabs!

Nice Buns! to go with them!!

I wonder if she also has an over sized podium. :dunno: MST has really put me off kebabs. I feel ill every time I pass my local kebab shop now. I am looking for something classier for this premium location.

Nice Buns! to go with them!!

Carefull thats my sister your talking about. :wink2:

Carefull thats my sister your talking about. :wink2:


OOOOPS!! :runaway:

Everything has to be for a profit these days. It's really ruined architecture.

http://www.zawya.com/pr/images/MST_2008_10_04.jpg

Dubai- 4 October 2008- East & West the real estate arm of DAS Holding Launches the Marina Sky Towers project. Situated in the heart of Dubai Marina, Marina Sky Towers offers a mix of apartments, penthouses, and commercial spaces within the first tower, while the second is a business-dedicated hub. The 60-storey twin towers house the ideal living and working spaces, along with a multitude of retail facilities combining specialty boutiques, restaurants and entertainment hubs, all jostling for position.


Promoting an environment that is growing ever more refined, Dubai Marina is one of the largest waterfront developments of its kind in the region, conceptualized as a city within a city, proposing a miscellany of residential, commercial, leisure, hospitality and retail services with a view to enhancing the lifestyle of residents and visitors alike.


Enthused by the spirit of its surrounds, Marina Sky Towers is ready and able to become one of the most significant icons within a dynamic community living at the height of fashion. Offering both residential and commercial options, Marina Sky Towers rises above Dubai Marina, almost hugging the water's edge, amongst busy yachts and open-air cafés bustling with a stream of chattering diners and hurrying waiters; suits, secretaries and skateboarders whisking past the scenery.


The artistic design of Marina Sky Towers features curved lines echoing unison and passion as they smoothly rise into the skies, complementing the neighboring area with breathtaking architecture and spectacular vista of the marina, sea and sky.


Marina Sky Towers stands proudly at the mouth of Dubai Marina, unwrapping into the sapphire waters of the Arabian Gulf. With key access points to Sheikh Zayed Road and other major arteries, Marina Sky Towers provides ease of access to Dubai's central areas, Abu Dhabi, Jumeirah and is within walking distance to Dubai Media City.


The project presents an extravaganza of facilities including infinity swimming pools, day care centers, trendy gymnasiums, business centers for meetings and conferences, 24-hour security, guest parking, spa, sauna, Jacuzzi, and all other up-to-the-minute luxury services. In actual fact, the influx of residents and high-tech companies moving into Marina Sky Towers naturally necessitates play and rest areas, stimulating entertainment, fine restaurants and vibrant pedestrian zones.


Marina Sky Towers' vision is a true mixed-use society, a density hub and an environment that fosters serenity, creativity and prosperity.

:banana:

Still ugly base but much better. :cheers:

Looks like they just chopped it in half and removed the center tower--just in place to block Marina Heights and Torch views. Anyway, it's an improvement--it is exactly what a lot of people were asking for.

Now, the mystery again of what comes up between the Torch and Marina Heights. That plot is now prime territory again to offer sea views.

"Playing Tower to Tower tackle " add by Mournhio .

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it give actually over dose to " MARINA ARCADE & MADAIN HOTEL " views .

counting the number of floors on the picture of the new marina sky towers and doesnt look like 60 floors to me, looks like alot less.

am i right?

^^ Probably 60 including the podium, which is still 10 stories or more.

By removing one of the towers and cutting the height, the podium will no longer be used only as a car park and will offer facilities. So that is good news for the marina.

Floor count (from image): Podium 5 X double levels = 10. Typical floors = 41. Penthouse (uncountable) perhaps = 3. Rooftop, equivalent in height to typical floors = 3.

Total floor count = 57
Total height, 57 X 3.5m = 199.5 meters (not even as tall as Marina Heights)

So Al Million may regret selling his MH penthouse now :lol:

If they are counting the basement levels then 60 would work out. In any case, it looks like these towers will be less than 200 meters high.

looks like unfortunately my apartment on 4806 will have blocked marina views! maybe not all depends on the heights of the floors in MST.

What do u think guys my views are blocked??????

WOW what a suprise, those news. When they would make now the podium a bit more open and not THAT massive, than it would be somehow perfect.

looks like unfortunately my apartment on 4806 torch tower, will have blocked marina views! maybe not all depends on the heights of the floors in MST.

What do u think guys my views are blocked??????

still heinous...but i guess a height reduction is a height reduction...

R

It's not that easy to see how far apart the 2 towers are. The photo is taken at an angle and the right hand tower looks to be directly in front of MH. If the left hand tower is in front of TT then aspect 05 (marina facing) owners in the TT may get a decent view through the middle.

Also, the gap in the middle could allow good marina views to whatever goes in between TT and MH.

It seems to be exactly like before, just one tower missing and lower (just as wide though)

One thing I don't get is how can they be twin towers when the function of each tower is completely different. Surely there will be some floors that have different heights, etc.

Lazy developer. I guess they were told that they had to scale it back. Instead of a thoughtful redesign it was just chop, chop and cut out the middle. They couldn't even be bothered with redesigning the podium. It doesn't speak well for the professionalism of this outfit. I'm not complaining though. I say again, this is pretty much what everyone was asking for.

I thought everyone wanted a podium height consistant with every other tower in the Marina. 10 floors is still ridiculous and not really any different to 14.

http://www.ameinfo.com/170320.html

Personaly I will wait and see until this becomes official, although 2 press releases do look promissing.

IF, and I mean IF this is confirmed as the final product for these plots then it is a 100% improvement on the original concept proposal.

Ultimately it has changed everything that most of us wanted.

Height reduced by 50%+
Volume reduced by 33%
Podium reduced by 25%+
Traffic flow reduced by at least 60%
Construction time should be reduced by at least 30%
Provision of facilities within the podium rather than a giant car park
This will be a much less intrusive and overbearing appearance
Will add prestige to the tallest block rather than destroying it
The business hub will attract a buzz and verve to the area
Everyone in the tallest block will benefit from the facilities and provisions that are being offered here.

So all in all this is what is called "a result".

As I say I wont accept it as fact until it has been officialy launched and sold, but if it does turn out to be this way then everyone who signed the online petition and sent my e-mail to His Highness should take pride in the fact that you might, just might of made a difference here, and in doing so have shaped history in a small way.

Well done to everyone who took part in the campaign. :cheers:

So all in all this is what is called "a result".[B]

From a Marina height and Torch point of view, this is a very bad (over 200M)result :bash::bash:

^^ But there will be towers in front no matter what.

Thx for the link High Times !! :okay:

^^ But there will be towers in front no matter what.

I understand that but it can be designed to accommodate the buildings that are already built and sold based on the main attraction (Marina).

I believe this is a good result for Marina Heights and Torch owners because with just 2 towers there will be Marina views to the side and in between the 2towers. At least from my marina facing apt now I will get some sort of a view!

From a Marina height and Torch point of view, this is a very bad (over 200M)result :bash::bash:

Mackie, I understand, and agree with you if you are thinking in terms of "views" in isolation.

As I have said before, in my opinion "views" have a minimal impact on value, I think an excellent view will add around 10% to a units value. Whats much more important are facilities, transport options, location within the big picture.

For Marina Heights and Torch appartments this re-design is a great result as it will make the area much more open than the original design and if one of the towers is a "business hub", this in my view will add massive value to the area in terms of rental possabilities of appartments. Also the facilities will be available to the locality which is another bonus.

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of a nice park with 2 story kebab shop, but realisticaly this was never going to happen. This plot was always going to be 40-60 floors in my mind. SP even put in writing 60 floors max.

In this proposal the Torch will be seen from all over the Marina and the light feature on top will be genuinely iconic (which is a very overused word in Dubai).

If MST delivers what is prommissed in it's current format then when Marina Arcade is addded into the equation along with the tram stop, this is making the Tallest Block area look like the prime area in the Marina.

Thats got to be a good thing for everyone. Investors, Residents and Visitors.

Mackie, I understand, and agree with you if you are thinking in terms of "views" in isolation.

As I have said before, in my opinion "views" have a minimal impact on value, I think an excellent view will add around 10% to a units value. Whats much more important are facilities, transport options, location within the big picture.

For Marina Heights and Torch appartments this re-design is a great result as it will make the area much more open than the original design and if one of the towers is a "business hub", this in my view will add massive value to the area in terms of rental possabilities of appartments. Also the facilities will be available to the locality which is another bonus.

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of a nice park with 2 story kebab shop, but realisticaly this was never going to happen. This plot was always going to be 40-60 floors in my mind. SP even put in writing 60 floors max.

In this proposal the Torch will be seen from all over the Marina and the light feature on top will be genuinely iconic (which is a very overused word in Dubai).

If MST delivers what is prommissed in it's current format then when Marina Arcade is addded into the equation along with the tram stop, this is making the Tallest Block area look like the prime area in the Marina.

Thats got to be a good thing for everyone. Investors, Residents and Visitors.

HT - The redesign is good news for TT and MH owners. No way was there ever going to be uninterrupted marian views at least with just 2 towers there still will be some marina views for the owners.

Infact the MST will probably create more rental demand for the TT and MH.

What price psf will this be now probably 3000 aed ? BecausE of reduction in saleable space. Comercial will be 3500 psf ?
Nice design though and tower plot beteen TT and MH will be more viable now
Is this being launced at CITY SCAPE ?

Mackie, I understand, and agree with you if you are thinking in terms of "views" in isolation.

As I have said before, in my opinion "views" have a minimal impact on value, I think an excellent view will add around 10% to a units value. Whats much more important are facilities, transport options, location within the big picture.

For Marina Heights and Torch appartments this re-design is a great result as it will make the area much more open than the original design and if one of the towers is a "business hub", this in my view will add massive value to the area in terms of rental possabilities of appartments. Also the facilities will be available to the locality which is another bonus.

Dont get me wrong i love the idea of a nice park with 2 story kebab shop, but realisticaly this was never going to happen. This plot was always going to be 40-60 floors in my mind. SP even put in writing 60 floors max.

In this proposal the Torch will be seen from all over the Marina and the light feature on top will be genuinely iconic (which is a very overused word in Dubai).

If MST delivers what is prommissed in it's current format then when Marina Arcade is addded into the equation along with the tram stop, this is making the Tallest Block area look like the prime area in the Marina.

Thats got to be a good thing for everyone. Investors, Residents and Visitors.


Its ok for you, your apartments in the torch are on floor 70+, what about the people below the sixty floors, i bet if your apartments were below the 60 floor MST towers , you would be saying something else!

just received confirmation fromn the sales agents of marina sky towers at bhomes, they are not selling apartments yet, as it hasnt been approved yet.
I personally think it will not be approved because the podium height is double than the rest of the buildings in the area.

also sales agent said prices for residential apartments will be priced at minimum 3000 aed per sq ft in MST

Its ok for you, your apartments in the torch are on floor 70+, what about the people below the sixty floors, i bet if your apartments were below the 60 floor MST towers , you would be saying something else!

If you go back and look at my posts you will find that I have been consistantly saying that views are not the be all and end all of off-plan property investment. Much to the amusement of some.

I am more concerned with the facilities and amieneties that will be provided by these plots, and the way in which the proposals will effect the logistics of the area.

Personaly i spend very little time looking out of my windows as i try and lead a fairly busy life.

^^ ok ok i admit you are right on that people dont spend their time looking out of their windows. the marina is more about waterfront living. hence why its more expensive than some other areas in dubai

also sales agent said prices for residential apartments will be priced at minimum 3000 aed per sq ft in MST

If MST sells out at these prices then this will help move prices up in the tallest block I'm sure.

I'm not saying that by default all TB towers will be worth 3k psf, but if investors buy into MST at 3k psf and i would imagine completion is 3-4 years away, one would expect to achieve 100% ROI in this time so i would suggest that MST on completion should fetch at least circa AED 5k psf.

Now views or no views, a tower that looks like the Torch is going to look, and situated right behined it, and able to use all of the facilites of the business hub and leisure and hospitality services attached to the MST podium wont be far behined in terms of AED psf.

If the Torch ends up being 20% chaeper for having no views then your looking at 4k psf.

That values a 2 bed at over AED 5,000,000 or £750,000.

If MST sells out at these prices then this will help move prices up in the tallest block I'm sure.

I'm not saying that by default all TB towers will be worth 3k psf, but if investors buy into MST at 3k psf and i would imagine completion is 3-4 years away, one would expect to achieve 100% ROI in this time so i would suggest that MST on completion should fetch at least circa AED 5k psf.

Now views or no views, a tower that looks like the Torch is going to look, and situated right behined it, and able to use all of the facilites of the business hub and leisure and hospitality services attached to the MST podium wont be far behined in terms of AED psf.

If the Torch ends up being 20% chaeper for having no views then your looking at 4k psf.

That values a 2 bed at over AED 5,000,000 or £750,000.

HT -3500 psf aed may be tops for a finshed Torch apartment in two years time but as you say in 4 years could be 4k.

When you consider price is now 1600 to 2002 it is cheap to buy for investment
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I think commercial space may be worth looking at in MST because of the lack of it in DM

I saw the model at Cityscape today. The typical floor count above the podium is 55. If you add the podium as single floors, rather than double, then that gives it 5 more to make 60. In any event I would rate this, based on the model, as about a 65 floor tower plus roof work at the height of another 3 floors. That would come to 68 X 3.5 meters for 238 meters.

I asked the less than knowledgeable sales rep. whether this was an approved or final version and she said it wasn't yet approved and joked that it might be different again at the next Citiscape. Although in jest, it could well be taken as prophetic.

I saw the model at Cityscape today. The typical floor count above the podium is 55. If you add the podium as single floors, rather than double, then that gives it 5 more to make 60. In any event I would rate this, based on the model, as about a 65 floor tower plus roof work at the height of another 3 floors. That would come to 68 X 3.5 meters for 238 meters.

I asked the less than knowledgeable sales rep. whether this was an approved or final version and she said it wasn't yet approved and joked that it might be different again at the next Citiscape. Although in jest, it could well be taken as prophetic.

Any pictures of the model to see how much space between the 2 towers and the positioning of the towers.

any photos? are the 2 towers right at the edges?

I picked up brochures at the exhibit, but am not able to scan them. They might have this up on the website by now. But the two towers are spaced wide apart at either end of the podium and although the design is similar to the original, the three sections are flatter and broader.

Many Thanks to Docc

See Steve's version below

well its an improvement on this.

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Better, but still ugly!!!!

Are both towers commercial or residential??? Or one each???

Maybe Malec can make a new model to show the impact of the redesigned MST´s. Malec have you time do to that?

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Do you think there will be shops at the bottom of the tower at the front? I hope so, a bit of a boring walk from MH to Infinity tower if not.

Probably not the best they could do, but much better than before.......may be you can see the Marina from the Torch....:ohno:

Whats with the hanging baskets 17 floors up ?

I hope that if this gets built and i still have my doubts, but i hope that most of the podium is used for facilites such as shops, resterants, spa etc.

If it's 2 x 60 floors then the need for parking spaces could be contained within 3 levels of parking in that podium and they could all be underground if planned properly.

This could be an oportunity to add great value to this area and remember the tallest block will potentialy have around 10,000 residents so facilities will be much needed.

This may be the first time I like a model better then a render. The facade a bit more colourful then black as in the lastest render.

As much as it pains me to say this, I would rather this got approved as it is than spend another year being redesigned and relaunched. Something is bound to be built here so we might as well get it started and finished so we get this area completed in our lifetime!

For me it all depends on what facilities will be offered to the marina in general by the huge podium. The towers are ok, perhaps a little too wide. The press release is obviously trying to get the public's approval by now stating how much the podium will add to the marina in facilities, my concern is that there is not enough detail yet to make a decision on if the huge podium is a plus or a negative for the plot.

I am also worried about the roads behind the tower, they will be very busy (given this will be primarily business use and conference facilities). Since this is a closed plot with the huge podium, it will be difficult to walk from all the towers behind to the marina front. Adequate thought to pedestrian facilities must be included as part of the proposal in order to prevent casualties.

Still ugly but SOOOOOOOO much better than b4.

I went in today....The project manager is the biggest dumbo i met...he HAD NO knowledge in my opinion about the final design!!!! I did not say anything that i was from there etc....

The official release is in Abu Dhabi.

The PODIUM WILL BE INCREASED HE SAID BUT NOT SURE

The layout was wrong as there were 6 lane highways behind the site. Poor presentation and just stuck onto the old floor / base.

The gap is there to so that a tower at the back can have views....it will however be a garden for now at the back and connect to the arcade....but this may change by Abu Dhabi Citiscape.

Marina Heights will not have any views as per the plan.

The Torch will have side views as per requirements of someone in high places

Emirates Marina MUST NOT be blocked in any way

The price is expected to be 4000 dhs a sq ft as per one of the girls on the stand.

The will close off the little parking bays opposite Spinneys and make it a garden.

Only round about and no parking in front.

I STILL FEEL NOTHING IS FINAL....

The Torch will have side views as per requirements of someone in high places...

Thanks bizzybonita, I owe you one! :cheers: :lol:

I went in today....The project manager is the biggest dumbo i met...he HAD NO knowledge in my opinion about the final design!!!! I did not say anything that i was from there etc....

The official release is in Abu Dhabi.

The PODIUM WILL BE INCREASED HE SAID BUT NOT SURE

The layout was wrong as there were 6 lane highways behind the site. Poor presentation and just stuck onto the old floor / base.

The gap is there to so that a tower at the back can have views....it will however be a garden for now at the back and connect to the arcade....but this may change by Abu Dhabi Citiscape.

Marina Heights will not have any views as per the plan.

The Torch will have side views as per requirements of someone in high places

Emirates Marina MUST NOT be blocked in any way

The price is expected to be 4000 dhs a sq ft as per one of the girls on the stand.

The will close off the little parking bays opposite Spinneys and make it a garden.

Only round about and no parking in front.

I STILL FEEL NOTHING IS FINAL....

Thank you for the interesting information.

Can you expand on what you mean by "PODIUM WILL BE INCREASED"? Do you mean that it will be increased in height from that shown in the new model?

Still ugly but SOOOOOOOO much better than b4.

ugly becasue of location not for anything els !

This twin tower will be so perfect with reduction of height and podium levels .
3 levels of podium with 25F yamy with boom of facilities n promising luxury finishing for makeup .

Finally eco friendly environment for another tower's view . much respectful:banana:
or to change the location or swap with jeetha 2 to 1 . :lol:


BTW it's offically approved .

incredible !!!!!

is this really going to happen ????

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I guess they reduced the project into two towers.
I think it's better.
The previous design looked to crowded.

^^ if you have read at leat the last two pages only, than you wuld know the answer.

why didn't they think about this, if there seems to be nothing in the middle, but a low rise shopping mall, have a huge central tower, as big as the rest, 80 stories, and sit it back on the podium, and then two smaller towers either side, say at 30 stories each, and site them forward, then everyone including the torch and MH would get views, it's the same with Marinascape, the big tower sits back behind the smaller one blocking the view of the boat marina, now if they just squwiffed the site, about 10 to 15 degrees to starboard, we all would have got great views.

Alan

Great idea!

They could just stack the two 60's into one central 120 and have no towers either side "

BTW it's offically approved .

Where do you get this information from Bizzy ?

Fact or Fiction ?

ADDED;

I have spoken to a sales manager at Betterhomes and they confirmed to me that this projects is NOT approved and is only an awareness campaign. The developers of the site are still awaiting approvals from the authoraties and do not anticipate any official launch until Cityscape Abu Dhabi in April 2009.

So if approved, construction is unlikely to start until end of 2009.

why didn't they think about this, if there seems to be nothing in the middle, but a low rise shopping mall, have a huge central tower, as big as the rest, 80 stories, and sit it back on the podium, and then two smaller towers either side, say at 30 stories each, and site them forward, then everyone including the torch and MH would get views, it's the same with Marinascape, the big tower sits back behind the smaller one blocking the view of the boat marina, now if they just squwiffed the site, about 10 to 15 degrees to starboard, we all would have got great views.

Alan

Sure, they have nothing better to do than make sure Torch and MH owners are happy!

Come on, the residents of other towers is really not their concern. Even the Torch and MH's own developers don't really care--why should a 3rd party who has no stake in those projects give a bleep? That responsibility is the master developer's.

Where do you get this information from Bizzy ?

Fact or Fiction ?

ADDED;

I have spoken to a sales manager at Betterhomes and they confirmed to me that this projects is NOT approved and is only an awareness campaign. The developers of the site are still awaiting approvals from the authoraties and do not anticipate any official launch until Cityscape Abu Dhabi in April 2009.

So at the end it's offically approved ! have good time .

Sure, they have nothing better to do than make sure Torch and MH owners are happy!

Come on, the residents of other towers is really not their concern. Even the Torch and MH's own developers don't really care--why should a 3rd party who has no stake in those projects give a bleep? That responsibility is the master developer's.

I was not harping on about my views, as I have an 04, and a 08, so I would be shooting myself in the foot, if they did it ny way, as I now have views to the side, with that set up, its just asthetically pleasing doesn't seem to happen in Dubai.

The way everyone is avoiding this middle ground, is there something coming through there that we are not aware of yet, like a canal or something.

Alan

Just received the following from Better Homes:-

The moment you have all been waiting for…..


Marina Sky Towers Launch: EXCLUSIVE WITH BETTER HOMES ONLY.

VVIP pre-launch – Abu Dhabi 16-18 November (Venue to be confirmed) Please contact Moones with regards to the criteria for this event. (VVIPs are clients who are definitely buying within this development, usually more than one unit and partners and business associates of Das Holdings (the Developer) and Better Homes)



Public pre-launch – Dubai 19-23 November (Venue to be confirmed)



Project Details:



Offering two 60 stories Towers
Mixed use development of residential, commercial and retails space
Residential mix: 1,2,3,4, Penthouses (Mainly 1 & 2 Beds)
Fantastic payment plan (tentatively)
5% on signing the reservation form
5% on signing the Sales and Purchase agreement (30 days after signing res form)
Balance linked to construction
Competitor price per sq ft (to be finalized soon)


We look forward to your usual support on this project; more information will follow within the next two to three weeks.

Just received the following from Better Homes:-

The moment you have all been waiting for…..


Marina Sky Towers Launch: EXCLUSIVE WITH BETTER HOMES ONLY.

VVIP pre-launch – Abu Dhabi 16-18 November (Venue to be confirmed) Please contact Moones with regards to the criteria for this event. (VVIPs are clients who are definitely buying within this development, usually more than one unit and partners and business associates of Das Holdings (the Developer) and Better Homes)



Public pre-launch – Dubai 19-23 November (Venue to be confirmed)



Project Details:



Offering two 60 stories Towers
Mixed use development of residential, commercial and retails space
Residential mix: 1,2,3,4, Penthouses (Mainly 1 & 2 Beds)
Fantastic payment plan (tentatively)
5% on signing the reservation form
5% on signing the Sales and Purchase agreement (30 days after signing res form)
Balance linked to construction
Competitor price per sq ft (to be finalized soon)


We look forward to your usual support on this project; more information will follow within the next two to three weeks.

Does this mean it has been approved?

I seem to recall some BH sales guy on here several months ago (when the 3 kebab towers were looking likely) encouraging us to register our interest soon in order to avoid missing out.

If it's being launched, then yes it has been approved.

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^^ I also imagine that it is approved since recent govt/rera policy does not allow sales before approval. Good news that it is finally starting to move--and in its reduced form.

Why do they need such a big podium for just a residents only day care centre, supermarket and pharmacy :dunno:

Maybe they'll be the first developer to make a car park actually big enough for the residents?

Fix the podium design and reduce it's height by 50% and delete the middle tower and it would actually look sexy.

THE FORCE IS STRONG IN THIS ONE.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=20663263#post20663263

Yes appears DAS get all their design tips from this site :lol:

I called up East & West, they told me the launch will not be before April next year, which should be Cityscape. That's also what they told me on Cityscape Dubai. Does anyone have an actual invite for November???

Latest:

Further changes are required on the plan....

No financial back up and so a further delay is expected ; due to the global crises.

^^ Source Margaret source.

1 BEDS

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2 BEDS

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3 BED TYPE 7 DUPLEX

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3 BED TYPE 8 DUPLEX

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3 BED TYPE 9 DUPLEX

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3 BED TYPE 3

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^^ Those are all out of date old floorplans, no longer valid.

I agree with margaret, I can not see this being launched in April 09 more like end of 09, so construction not until July 2010, handover not until 2014. So a 2nd redesign is also coming.

Has anyone inquired about why the two towers are sited at the two edges of the podium? :ohno:The cynic in me says that this leaves a very large area in the middle for a future addition of another tower!

I can not see this being launched in April 09 more like end of 09, so construction not until July 2010, handover not until 2014. So a 2nd redesign is also coming.

I hope not as this is not good. This project needs to get sorted out so that construction in the area does not go on for too long.

This area of the Tallest Block - Princess, Torch, Pinnacle, Infinity, should all be either finished or topped out by mid-end 2010 so the last thing we need is another huge development like this only just starting or we will be looking at a building site in the middle of the prime part of the Marina until 2013 minimum.

Do not ask my source...i could lose my two cents worth of a job.

The arcade from Madaine will join all those back buildingz via the gap and a park ; in one proposal. Also the current parking outside Spinneys will be removed for a mini park / garden and a walk / path from there to the back is proposed. The round about? Does not make sense for now.....

The building sits on one edge corner, (MHT side), and enough room has been left to make sure Emirates Marina does not get blocked. I am sure all know why!

The issues / controversy with Town Planning is the podium, the office space in a residential area and believe it or not, now DEWA ( inc SEWAGE) has an issue....Too much poo poo if i say in my son's language.

Finally today in the meeting it was confirmed the lack of financing for the big projects...hence if the big boys have issues....u think the monster will rise soon? No doubt something is coming and yes sadly for some it is bad news, however nothing is going up in a year so.....enjoy the views, sun whilst you can or sell at 200000 less the price , IF u get a buyer and cash in on the exchange rate....U still make money by dropping your price and selling...5.9 to the Pound so if u not sure ...sell and buy later...600000 Pounds is good too CASH IS KING!

Cheers Margaret, any chance of a copy of the Minutes of Meeting......Only kidding :lol:

The building sits on one edge corner, (MHT side), and enough room has been left to make sure Emirates Marina does not get blocked. I am sure all know why!

But Margaret, with a 60 floor tower or 120 floor tower positioned to the far left side (as viewed from the front) it will have the same impact on Emirates Harbour hotel so what your saying doesnt make any sense.

But Margaret, with a 60 floor tower or 120 floor tower positioned to the far left side (as viewed from the front) it will have the same impact on Emirates Harbour hotel so what your saying doesnt make any sense.

I'm guessing Margaret is referring to Emirates Crown in which case I can imagine that a tower placed in front of Marina Heights will provide a better view of the Marina from Emirates Crown.

However, there is the small matter of the 2nd tower and I can't see where it can be positioned in order to preserve the view from EC.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the 60 floors comes down yet again with a podium re-designed too.

^^ Not the Emirates Crown but the Emirates Harbour Hotel belonging to Sheikh Saed, the Chairman of Emirates Airlines


But Margaret, with a 60 floor tower or 120 floor tower positioned to the far left side (as viewed from the front) it will have the same impact on Emirates Harbour hotel so what your saying doesnt make any sense.

She was referring to the positioning of the towers within their own plot, not the number of floors (height).

So they may move the tower in front of the torch that is close to the Emirates Harbour Hotel more towards the centre of the podium or perhaps reduce the height of the one in front of the torch.

So, we still have the possibility of a connection between the Marina Arcade and this block (if I am reading Margaret's post correctly). Will it be an underpassage or overpassage?

She speaks of two park areas--one between Torch and MH and the other at the Phase One/Spinney's parking area.

Regarding the Emirates Harbour Tower blocking issue, I believe what Margaret means is that the two towers will be positioned further away from the Marina edge--and thus much closer to MH and the Torch in order to leave a clear view straight ahead (toward SZR) and angled toward the Marina. This would definitely giver the Harbour tower ideal positioning, but adversely affect MH and the Torch.

Margaret, could you clarify?

^^ I think you are correct.

Margaret also said:

The Torch will have side views as per requirements of someone in high places

Emirates Marina MUST NOT be blocked in any way

The price is expected to be 4000 dhs a sq ft as per one of the girls on the stand.

http://i33.tinypic.com/2dr849l.jpg

^^ It is not possible to position the towers further back towards the torch. They are already as far back as possible.

^^ Not the Emirates Crown but the Emirates Harbour Hotel belonging to Sheikh Saed, the Chairman of Emirates Airlines

She was referring to the positioning of the towers within their own plot, not the number of floors (height).

My mistake.

Either way, it's becoming clear that whomover 'owns' this plot is not being allowed to build what they like as previously claimed. Lots of behind the scenes activity going on to ensure that certain people won't get upset and we don't have a 'sewage fest' on our hands.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rwu8he.jpg

They have put up Dubai Marina signs around the blue fence now.

Once again an unconfirmed report from an inside source said this morning that the project has been axed....

Of course we have had heard this so many times before and yet it was at cityscape....so who knows....

IF ONLY SOMEONE SOMEWHERE COULD MAKE IT A NICE PARK / GARDEN FOR NOW AND JUST LET IT BE....

The only thing that might stop this IMO, is the slow down in off plan sales, which seemed to have dried up, if they find no one wants it, they might not build it.

Alan

IF ONLY SOMEONE SOMEWHERE COULD MAKE IT A NICE PARK / GARDEN FOR NOW AND JUST LET IT BE....


It is the best positioned site left undeveloped in the Marina so the chances of nothing getting built (even with the financial crisis) are slim to zero.

It would be nice to at least grass this over if no construction will start for some years yet, so that tourists and residents can enjoy the area. Even if the reduced MST is launched in April 09 (which I doubt), construction would not start until 2010.

Maybe all of the owners of the tallest block and hotel owners could buy half the land between them and make it a lanscaped park. The other half could be some villas and restaurants/shops on the waterfront.

Whats that low cluster on the top right of the photo above ?

^^^^

Marina Walk - it's part of the original 6 towers by Emaar. The bit you can see in the photo is Spinney's

^^ I'm finding hard to believe Trances would not know that, considering he was the first to document and photograph Dubai's construction progress in this forum.

:lol: He means the cluster in the distance at the top right.

It would be nice to at least grass this over if no construction will start for some years yet, so that tourists and residents can enjoy the area. Even if the reduced MST is launched in April 09 (which I doubt), construction would not start until 2010.

Maybe all of the owners of the tallest block and hotel owners could buy half the land between them and make it a lanscaped park. The other half could be some villas and restaurants/shops on the waterfront.

Great idea Steve, how do want my contribution paid. :cheers:

^^ 5,000 shares at UK £2000 per share on the freehold of the plot with conditions in the contract that nothing should be build there apart from a landscaped park for x years.

The small £2000 payment can be offset in value added to your property. :cheers:

Its a no brainer :lol:

Except I think that people with direct views should pay double.

You can buy as many shares as you like. You will get a big return when the land is sold in 15 years time when everyone is bored of the park. :cheers:

The current land owner can keep the front half of the plot to build some needed retail space and a few luxury waterfront villas for those not affected by the credit crunch. Some of the money they get for the back part of the land can be used to build them.

Steve I like your thinking.. pity its not going to happen.

According to margaret MST2 has been axed so maybe it can. :cheers:

Need someone to buy half the land in cash and sell it in parcel shares. Any rich locals here got some spare cash and want to double their investment? :dunno:

This piece of land is probably the best piece of undeveloped land left in Dubai.

If MST does not go ahead in the new proposed scheme of 2 towers of around 60 floors it may be that the owners sit on the land and leave it undeveloped until such time as the off plan market kicks off again. Probably a year to eighteen months. They may even sell it on.

In my opinion this would be bad for the area as it is going to delay the start of construction and therefore extend the total period of construction which means that this area will be an eyesore for longer than necessary.

In order for the Marina as a whole and particularly this district of the Marina to develop into a living, thriving community, and thus reach it’s full potential value in terms of habitability and investment return, projects need to top out and complete as soon as possible.

If there is yet more delay in buying and selling these plots, designing and getting approval for a new project, then this could add years to the completion of the district. As this plot will also open up the walkway from infinity round to Phase 1 it is paramount to get things moving.

Having a park is a nice idea but it is just deferring the inevitable to a point where it would be more lucrative for a developer and greed I’m sure will prevail.

In reality we are no closer to knowing what will end up here since this thread ws opened on 1st April.

I am also worried that this plot will just be left. I do not want to see it sit there for 2 or 3 more years as a giant fenced sand pit. I find it quite strange that this was not one of the first plots developed rather than the last.

I still think they should grass it over add a few trees and remove the fence until they have a plan. Its been like this for years now!

http://i34.tinypic.com/29m10kh.jpg

Beautiful marina view ....from MARINA SKY TOWERS ;)

http://cache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/dubai_11_19/d19_17063633.jpg

Back to 100-story towers?

Other projects for the area include Hong Kong-based Trident Holding's 120-storey Pentominium and Abu Dhabi-based Das Holding's two 100-storey towers. See recent Oasis Hotel tower (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=28685098&postcount=86) post.

^^ I doubt it, the reporter just got confused.

I am quite sure that nothing will happen on this plot, since the property market in Dubai is completely finished and most developers face major financial difficulties and challenges... expats are leaving the country in large numbers and they have always contributed a large portion to both the rental and property market.

But watching the horrific traffic jams in the Marina day by day all people living there should be glad for any plot that is NOT being developed... it is getting too much.

I do also wish the plot tunring into a park etc. but this is wishful dreaming...

Whats that low cluster on the top right of the photo above ?

Its 'The Greens' and beyond that 'Tecom'.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ew0682.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/fneaup.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ew0682.jpg

http://i33.tinypic.com/fneaup.jpg

what is the crown on one of the towers doing by the water?

It appears that one side of that crown tower has been airbrushed out!

^^

probably some kind of perspective correction gone wrong.

Shots are 2-3 months old hu?? :hm:

yes but it gives a good view on the size of the plot.

I still wonder what is planned for the plot between MH and TT :dunno:

Maybe somekind of linking from MST2 to the marina arcade.

yes but it gives a good view on the size of the plot.

I still wonder what is planned for the plot between MH and TT :dunno:

Maybe somekind of linking from MST2 to the marina arcade.

Park for 10 years until the next boom

Project shelved. Please move to the cancelled / on hold section.

^^Absolutely!!!

No way they can sell this baby with Torch views...:rofl:

http://i33.tinypic.com/30jjyn4.jpg

Anyone fancy a game of 5 aside football in the marina park? :)

Anyone fancy a game of 5 aside football in the marina park? :)

^^roll the grass out and I'm in.:)

How about The Flaming Torches v Marina Sheights...

When will this be made into a temporary park like the Trump Tower plot is going to be?

When will this be made into a temporary park like the Trump Tower plot is going to be?

We need to run around the area with several bags of grass seed !!! :lol:

A miracle this Christmas may just come true.....

A miracle this Christmas may just come true.....

Margaret, I love the way you tease us with your posts.

What do you have for us?

oh......u will see what i mean soon....Santa indeed was on that site....ummmm

Did Santa come down the usual hole Margaret ? I guess not as there arn't many chimneys in Dubai, are there.

Still..... I hope he left you a good sackfull anyway.

They planning to use that site if permission granted for a concert. But where will people park? They thinking of putting the temporary parking across the road near the Summit site.

I cannot disclose which or whose concert.....in time...then u will see if my credibility is any good.

Elvis Presley ?

Any update on when the concert is?

Maybe some news from East & West re:- Maina Sky Towers at the show this month.
http://www.realestateshow.ae/index.htm


If not I guess we will have to wait until Cityscape AD in April to see if this current design will go ahead.
http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/

DAS Holding are confirmed as exhibitors
http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/ExhibitorList.html?detailId=691

Maybe some news from East & West re:- Maina Sky Towers at the show this month.
http://www.realestateshow.ae/index.htm


If not I guess we will have to wait until Cityscape AD in April to see if this current design will go ahead.
http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/

DAS Holding are confirmed as exhibitors
http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/ExhibitorList.html?detailId=691

The devil in me wants this to be a total failure, which might shake them up a little, the realizeation, that there is no buyers, due to all the indecision they take, and the Visa issue, and we are all fed up, and the other side of me want's it to be a success of course to show how right i was to beleive in Dubai, and if MST doesn't go ahead i will get a full marina view.

Alan

I guess they have a placeholder stand in case the market picks up. But I doubt they will be able to make any sales in April at the required price per sq ft unless they have a very good payment plan similar to the Select Property 15 year plan. There there may just be enough demand for high quality office space on the marina front seing as it will not complete for 4 years and the crisis should be over with then.

nothing going to happen...believe me.......over 100,000.00 people left Dubai now, includes all categories ....no one in the right frame of mind would launch a project base don speculation that things will pick up next year...

So will we just have a huge sand pit there for the next 5 years?

Well i know of a tower that Dubai is going to host that has apparantly already been sold out so there are no funding issues amid the current crisis.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2s6n3md.jpg

The architects/developers are now considering options for plots in Dubai as i understand it.

Looking at this video could it by prophetic that the finale of the trailer places the tower at a familiar locality ?

crIF6ueWPsA

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=30396288&postcount=98

Remember that a certain person associated with a certain airline wouldn't want his views compromised...

What a pathetic looking structure....even my curves look better!

High Times apologisies

http://i44.tinypic.com/280ih3c.jpg

:runaway:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Please tell me what you typed into google images to find that ?

EDIT - obviously one from your private collection.

oh please that sketch of me was not too good....i have a better one ....lol....

Post the better one ;)

This thread is not about me after all and my curves. hehehe...it is about the horrible MST....

What can we now possibly expect to be eventually created here?

What can we now possibly expect to be eventually created here?

Personally I would like the area used to bring people to the area for business, tourism, social, and leisure facilities.

Dubai has enough shops, malls, and hotels, (not to mention endless empty apartments). What Dubai lacks is good public facilities in prime areas.

The space is big enough to offer a public indoor & outdoor swimming facility (like the lido set ups in England used to be). You could even have an artificial beach on top of a podium with an infinity pool at the edge and a sandy beach area to allow users the beach setting, looking out onto the marina. A day entrance fee and anyone can sit and enjoy the artificial beach setting overlooking the marina.

Below ground there could be 4 or 5 levels of parking which was charged but redeemed at outlets in the complex so that you could park your car there all day as long as you spend a minimum amount in any of the outlets. Good levels of free parking built into the ground will pull people into the area. Once in the Marina the car will not be needed as water taxi and trams will facilitate movement. The idea being you can get to the marina, park up for free and then move around at will to the Mall, Arcade, Gourmet Tower etc

The usual cafe and dinning facilities on ground level will provide the walk area with the needed continuation of phase 1 area around to the Infinity site. At ground level and in the first 5 floors you have a perimeter of eating facilities and inside there would be squash courts, tennis courts, basketball courts, Football pitches etc. Typical UK leisure centre type stuff.

Then we move up to a museum and cultural centre showing Arabic oriented content, art and music exhibitions. Show the world what the Arab world really is. This also contains some kind of mosque within the cultural centre.

The icing on the cake is a coliseum style round concert hall. Imagine the Albert Hall with a glass roof that can opened if and when needed. This 20,000 seater then becomes the prime venue for Dubai to host pop/rock concerts.

The whole development would not need to be any more than 30 floors above ground level and would act as a magnet to tourists and locals alike. Even smussuw might like it.

I am finalising the drawings as I write this, and I will hopefully get funding soon so I can put in a bid when the land comes up for sale on E-bay, under the unwanted gift section.

What can we now possibly expect to be eventually created here?

Or maybe this could happen:

1. Emaar build another Sales Centre in an attempt to boost revenue in the face of the downturn.
2. Developers in the area spend the next 2 years saying that nothing over 15 floors will be built here.
3. The global recovery is well underway by 2011.
4. The Emaar Sales Centre gets demolished.
5. Three x 90 floor towers with a 20 floor podium get built

Bingo

I do prefer the previous suggestion however.

Personally I would like the area used to bring people to the area for business, tourism, social, and leisure facilities.

Dubai has enough shops, malls, and hotels, (not to mention endless empty apartments). What Dubai lacks is good public facilities in prime areas.

The space is big enough to offer a public indoor & outdoor swimming facility (like the lido set ups in England used to be). You could even have an artificial beach on top of a podium with an infinity pool at the edge and a sandy beach area to allow users the beach setting, looking out onto the marina. A day entrance fee and anyone can sit and enjoy the artificial beach setting overlooking the marina.

Below ground there could be 4 or 5 levels of parking which was charged but redeemed at outlets in the complex so that you could park your car there all day as long as you spend a minimum amount in any of the outlets. Good levels of free parking built into the ground will pull people into the area. Once in the Marina the car will not be needed as water taxi and trams will facilitate movement. The idea being you can get to the marina, park up for free and then move around at will to the Mall, Arcade, Gourmet Tower etc

The usual cafe and dinning facilities on ground level will provide the walk area with the needed continuation of phase 1 area around to the Infinity site. At ground level and in the first 5 floors you have a perimeter of eating facilities and inside there would be squash courts, tennis courts, basketball courts, Football pitches etc. Typical UK leisure centre type stuff.

Then we move up to a museum and cultural centre showing Arabic oriented content, art and music exhibitions. Show the world what the Arab world really is. This also contains some kind of mosque within the cultural centre.

The icing on the cake is a coliseum style round concert hall. Imagine the Albert Hall with a glass roof that can opened if and when needed. This 20,000 seater then becomes the prime venue for Dubai to host pop/rock concerts.

The whole development would not need to be any more than 30 floors above ground level and would act as a magnet to tourists and locals alike. Even smussuw might like it.

I am finalising the drawings as I write this, and I will hopefully get funding soon so I can put in a bid when the land comes up for sale on E-bay, under the unwanted gift section.

:okay: I vote for High Times suggestion, sounds like a great idea. I expect something like this could happen now. It would be the best option for the area, commercially viable and bring in tourists.

I agree, but please stick to 10 floors max ;)

Dubai_Steve, as much as I like your ideas, that will never happen since it would take some brain and common sense which is not available to these guys... you will see, that plot will remain a bloody ugly piece of sand waiting for better times in the property market... it is an eyesore for the Marina, but in those hard times they do not care at all.

Unfortunately you are right

Why leave the land empty for 7 years when you could build something like this now in 2 years that would make a huge profit :nuts:

Think of the tourism it can create also!

I disagree, HT's vision is great and I expect it to happen very soon!

Maybe we need a new petition :lol:

Personally I would like the area used to bring people to the area for business, tourism, social, and leisure facilities.

Dubai has enough shops, malls, and hotels, (not to mention endless empty apartments). What Dubai lacks is good public facilities in prime areas.

The space is big enough to offer a public indoor & outdoor swimming facility (like the lido set ups in England used to be). You could even have an artificial beach on top of a podium with an infinity pool at the edge and a sandy beach area to allow users the beach setting, looking out onto the marina. A day entrance fee and anyone can sit and enjoy the artificial beach setting overlooking the marina.

Below ground there could be 4 or 5 levels of parking which was charged but redeemed at outlets in the complex so that you could park your car there all day as long as you spend a minimum amount in any of the outlets. Good levels of free parking built into the ground will pull people into the area. Once in the Marina the car will not be needed as water taxi and trams will facilitate movement. The idea being you can get to the marina, park up for free and then move around at will to the Mall, Arcade, Gourmet Tower etc

The usual cafe and dinning facilities on ground level will provide the walk area with the needed continuation of phase 1 area around to the Infinity site. At ground level and in the first 5 floors you have a perimeter of eating facilities and inside there would be squash courts, tennis courts, basketball courts, Football pitches etc. Typical UK leisure centre type stuff.

Then we move up to a museum and cultural centre showing Arabic oriented content, art and music exhibitions. Show the world what the Arab world really is. This also contains some kind of mosque within the cultural centre.

The icing on the cake is a coliseum style round concert hall. Imagine the Albert Hall with a glass roof that can opened if and when needed. This 20,000 seater then becomes the prime venue for Dubai to host pop/rock concerts.

The whole development would not need to be any more than 30 floors above ground level and would act as a magnet to tourists and locals alike. Even smussuw might like it.

I am finalising the drawings as I write this, and I will hopefully get funding soon so I can put in a bid when the land comes up for sale on E-bay, under the unwanted gift section.

Good idea except for all the water sports. Every tower in the vicinity has a swimming pool--you wouldn't get any of the Marina's or JLT's thousands of residents to bother to go swim there. The beach at JBR is not far away and it's a real beach, not to mention the nearby hotel beaches, and Dubai already has two massive water theme parks a 15-minute drive away. The concert hall and parking stuff sounds good though. What the Dubai Marina needs is a bit of high culture--a venue for classical concerts, opera and off-broadway style plays, don't you think?

^^ I agree that it needs some refinement but the concept is great. The concert hall is a really good idea but it needs the other parts to make it profitable enough.

We need some renders!

nice dreams:)

Reality comes from dreams :)

Good idea except for all the water sports. Every tower in the vicinity has a swimming pool--you wouldn't get any of the Marina's or JLT's thousands of residents to bother to go swim there. The beach at JBR is not far away and it's a real beach, not to mention the nearby hotel beaches, and Dubai already has two massive water theme parks a 15-minute drive away.

The beach idea is an alternative for residents, tourists and locals who want more than just to sit on the beach. It also gives multi activity options for families and large groups who don’t want to just sit on the beach. It’s not a replacement, it’s an alternative.

Kids get bored quickly in the same old 10 x 20 pool with not much more than a ball to throw around. Give them a few slides and the usual waterpark stuff and they are happy all day. Mum and dad can relax watching them from the same spot without moving around too.

Forward thinking countries are already doing it. Where are all the latest gizmo’s and gadgets from;
http://i43.tinypic.com/29ofrk7.jpg
http://cubeme.com/blog/2007/12/05/the-ocean-dome-in-miyazaki-kyushu-island/

It is also an attempt to create some kind of community within this so called “city within a city”. At the moment Dubai Marina is just a bunch of towers that happen to be in the same place. I can envisage the sports facilities being used to create community sports leagues for all sports, ages, men and women.

5 a side football
Basketball
Squash & Tennis

The Dubai Marina Sports and Leisure Club. (DMSLC) will promote inter tower sports leagues so we would have The Torch 5 a side football takes on Bay Central, and the Torch gives BC a good hammering (after all not much hammering going on there at the moment).

Local businesses could also have their own teams in their chosen sports. Whilst breeding a healthy lifestyle and competitive environment it will be a great social lubricator as after an hour or so of your chosen activity you and your team mates all share a drink and a bite to eat on the various outlets within the complex.

In my home town the population is around 120,000 people and there are no less than 10 sports or leisure centres offering what the DMSLC would offer. These are both publicly and privately funded profit making organisations.

Emaar or whoever owns this piece of land could build something that could inspire a generation of Emirati’s to get fit, stay fit and live long and healthy lives and add some balance to the fast food culture that is set to increase child obesity rates to American proportions within the next 10 years.

The concert hall would be to Dubai Marina what the opera house is to Sydney, or Earls Court is to London.
http://i43.tinypic.com/35hfvba.jpg

Visitors would range from;

Bruce Springsteen
Pussycat Dolls
Kylie
Pink Floyd
Catherine Jenkins
The Royal Ballet
London Philharmonic Orchestra
Royal Shakespeare Co

Oh and “H” from steps


nice dreams:)

Your right Imre it is a dream.

It’s a slow day in the office and I’m bored, but there is no reason why something along these lines couldn’t be done.

Apart from greed that is.

Great renders :banana: This would be really perfect for Dubai Marina. We can all start to imagine it now. :)

WOW! Awesome!

Presumably this will have an underground car park and leisure facilities.
The render shows that it is surrounded by a lake...........Go for it guys and transfre this to the Gossip/Proposed thread

http://i43.tinypic.com/ibj1wn.jpg

Yeah Right...................

^^

Hey just because he got kicked out of the Whitehouse doesn't mean to say that we should get lumbered with Bush :lol:

^^

Hey just because he got kicked out of the Whitehouse doesn't mean to say that we should get lumbered with Bush :lol:

Would you be thinking of Bush Gardens?

oh my goodness....

This is a great idea....sad we have GREEDY DODGY DEVELOPERS AROUND...A park or just something green friendly.. to take away the empty void in the heart of Marina.

I wonder if DAS Holdings or the Big Boss looks or reads this site.....if no sales and a slow down, it is such a nice image to have a site like that landscaped or used as a drawcard for visitors...

Infact all these emtpy buidling sites should be landscaped so that it does not look bad....

Is landscaping expensive.... I guess so...

http://i40.tinypic.com/vzhqpx.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/15rfexy.jpg

Error

Looks like East & West (DAS Holdings) are putting their projects on hold at the moment.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2r6ntyv.jpg

http://www.ameinfo.com/172917.html - Seagull

http://www.ameinfo.com/171918.html - Seascape

http://www.ameinfo.com/170320.html - MST

Interesting that no announcement has been made about MST being put ON HOLD.

Does this mean that they are progressing with this one or was it never approved ?

I doubt it even reached approved status.

Nah they using the plans as toilet paper for the bosses of DAS HOLDINGS...

oh my goodness....

This is a great idea....sad we have GREEDY DODGY DEVELOPERS AROUND...A park or just something green friendly.. to take away the empty void in the heart of Marina.

I wonder if DAS Holdings or the Big Boss looks or reads this site.....if no sales and a slow down, it is such a nice image to have a site like that landscaped or used as a drawcard for visitors...

Infact all these emtpy buidling sites should be landscaped so that it does not look bad....

Is landscaping expensive.... I guess so...

The good old days...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2u5ufeh.jpg

it's time for a parking lot in this part of the Marina.
Everyone is switching to JBR walk, because of the better parking situation...

08/February/2009



http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3783/imresolt067nm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5257/imresolt038in8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The angle of this shot is so misleading....as from this aspect, u would hope that MHT would not get blocked out with the ugly monsters in front....oh well time will tell. But right now if only they would make a garden or parking or something....That concert concept is no longer on the cards. JBR seems to have taken the crowd. Only Spinneys is the drawcard for now. However did u notice the 8 seater boat or speed boat outside? Any plans for that?

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1014/cityscapedubai08126qf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

from last year's cityscape

08/March/2009

Marina Sky Towers, plot

http://i41.tinypic.com/2i23rc7.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/vmtbih.jpg

No East & West or DAS Holdings at City scape Abu Dhabi next month.

http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/ExhibitorList.html?initial=E

http://www.cityscapeabudhabi.com/ExhibitorList.html?initial=D

The plot is 4 sale!

how much? who is the broker?

All owners in the tallest block and surrounding area should get together and invest in this land and turn it into something like the O2 arena in the UK, that way no one has to lose their views or see any more major high rise construction in this area, and eventually we can make some money back - or turn into a park, exclusive only to those that have invested in it, or others can enter for a small fee. I prefer the first option though as there is more chance of making money back

This will take years to even get approved, then years later for financing... Emaar should just put a layer of grass here... maybe a few palm trees and install some benches and kids playground... would be great for the whole area until they decide what they want to do with it... At least this is what I am hoping Emaar will do downtown... :)

How about a mini "Wild Wadi"?

Anything to boost tourism here would be great! Especially since there is no Dubailand anymore for decades to come.

Great idea ...specially for investors of torch tower they can only jump off to the swimming pool park so easily :D !

Selling this plot in the current climate suggests to me that someone somewhere is in need of cash.

I just hope that marina master planning isn't sacrificed as a result of someone's need for $.

At citiscape A D, there was no sign of DAS Holdings or a display of the kebab towers...

reading some earlier posts, this seems like a controversial project particularly for investors in the towers right behind it. Seems the credit crunch did have some good outcomes for TT investors!

Apparantly this project is a waterfront project for Dubai being shown at cityscape AD. Could the center gap line up with the entrance to the shopping arcade? :dunno:

http://i42.tinypic.com/21kdr15.jpg

Water Front plot number on the model.

I believe (and hope) that is for Abu Dhabi not Dubai.

That's obviously not the MST plot!!!

Any news on this? Hopefully another Yacht Club with alcohol license!!!

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/the_gulf/article6283305.ece

Huge projects such as the Burj al-Fattan, the Burj al-Alam, Marina Sky Towers and the Pentominium Tower have been delayed as falls in the oil price and the global economic crisis hit business in Dubai.

I think the whole tallest block is going through redesign at the moment.

Supertalls are no longer viable projects in Dubai and unless you can sell the tower before construction it's a no go.

The Madain arcade is looking doubtfull now, and i wouldnt mind betting that that gets axed and a new kind of shopping/hotel/retail outlet gets proposed on this plot.

If only to give the impression that the Marina is getting finished from the waterfront perspective.

IF they go with MST at 2 x 60 floors they would need to sell off plan at 3000 psf to get make any money.

Thats simply not going to happen in the next 10 years.

In years to come Tallest Block owners will look back and thank god for the crisis that hit Dubai. It will be a great story for the grandchildren one day. :lol:

^^ I agree with you, I just wish that whoever owns this land now understands this also and is not trying to wait out the crisis before trying to sell 2 x 60 floor towers at 3000psf. They will have a long wait, as you say could be 10 years before that price is achievable again. They would be better off starting work NOW on a shopping/hotel retail outlet complex.

Basically the current crisis has killed offplan sales as we know it in my view. So the next logical step is that no one in their right mind would pay more for offplan with at least a 3 year wait to use/yield than they would pay for a completed ready to use/rent unit. Completed prices in the Marina are generaly between 1000 - 1500 psf so offplan sales must now reflect this and be considerably lower (i would suggest at least 25%-35%). So thats 700psf. If someone bought the plot back in 2007/08 and wants to make a profit the figures just don't stack up anymore.

The whole sales/development dynamic has changed forever in Dubai making this plot a potential achillies heel for the masterplan. It is without doubt the most prestiguous location at the entrance to the Marina next to Emaar phase 1 originals.

I still think the revolving tower would be the best bet as it is already sold out and wont take long to build and wont add to parking problems. It would make the perfect addition to the tallest block.

^^ The revolving tower is already agreed to be located in City of Arabia, so it will not be that. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=36447056&postcount=4696

Only good use for this now is a yatch club, restaurants, shops, park areas etc. maybe a few villas also could work as some would be willing to pay a fairly good price for those. But then if they were to do all that, why not add a couple of small towers on top, say 30 floors each, perhaps 1 floor per apartment even to sell to the famous and the money launderers.

^^^^

Steve I think you are wrong on this one mate, maybe you mean a different tower. The site for the revolving tower i mean will be announced soon. I'm hopefull.

Link:

http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=36744&t=1&c=129&cg=4&mset=1011 (http://www.bi-me.com/main.php?id=36744&t=1&c=129&cg=4&mset=1011)

UAE. David Fisher will forge ahead with plans to build the world’s first rotating tower in Dubai, the renowned architect has confirmed in an interview for Commercial Interior Design.

The as-yet undisclosed site of the project has been decided upon, groundbreaking is imminent and apartments are scheduled to go on sale within a matter of weeks, he explained.

“We have the land, we have a great location and there will be an official announcement and groundbreaking very soon. In a short while, we will start selling. Prices will be announced soon but from what I have read we are looking at a small apartment for US$3 million and a large one for up to US$30 million,” Fisher stated.

While acknowledging that the timing might not be ideal, Fisher remained positive about the prospects for his unique architectural proposition. “The situation in Dubai is more than bad today, but for me it is a challenge within a challenge,” he said. “It sounds crazy to speak of a new building, especially a luxurious new building like this, but we do intend to start very soon.

“Dubai is facing the same situation as many other places, and somewhere like Miami, for example, has been suffering for three years, not three months. There is big interest because the building is unique. So, as a recent Dubai publication said recently, ‘David Fisher might yet have the last laugh’,” he said.

While the 80-storey rotating tower has attracted attention because of its shifting shape, there is more to it than that, Fisher maintained. In Sao Paolo speaking at the 7th International Forum of Architecture and Construction, which ran alongside Revestir, the Brazilian Coverings Exhibition, between 24 and 27 March, Fisher outlined his six commandments of architecture and highlighted how the rotating tower was a logical incarnation of these basic principles.

“Architecture is art and it is sculpture, but it is also something else. It has to make sense, firstly, from an economic point of view. The second thing is functionality; a building is not a shell. The third aspect is engineering and fourthly, a building needs to be green; we all know why. The fifth is maintenance and the last, and least important, commandment of architecture is the shape of a building. Of course, beauty is important but it is still the final commandment. After all, correct is beautiful, but beauty is not always correct.”

As such, Fisher’s rotating towers will also be the first to be prefabricated in a factory and assembled onsite, and will also be entirely self-powered. “As an architect, I am sometimes embarrassed to be part of a sector that is so primitive,” Fisher commented, pointing to a picture of the pyramids of Giza. “Not much has actually changed in the last 4,000 years.

Everything else is created in factories but buildings are still created onsite,” he said.

Floors of the building will be shipped to the site to be mechanically attached to a central core. “There is nothing we do onsite besides mechanical fixing. This means there will be 90 people onsite instead of 2,000. It is a safer, more ecologically friendly site with no more unnecessary waste and dust. They are also completely self-powered as there are wind turbines between every floor. These are the quick, clean, logical buildings of the future.”

Fisher has drawn on technologies used in sources as advanced as the London Eye and the new Boeing 787 for his creation. “There are so many incredible technologies around but almost none of these are used in construction. This building will be much more than just the first to rotate. It will be the first to be self powered, the first to be prefabricated and a symbol that anything is possible in life,” he maintained.

“These are the first building to be built around four dimensions; the fourth dimension is time. Designed by life, shaped by time. To allow everybody to shape buildings and cities is the ultimate expression of freedom,” he elaborated.

And in the next breath: “I like to keep things simple.”

You were up early this morning for a Sunday High Times !!!

^^ Bur not late for a saturday night out.

Basically the current crisis has killed offplan sales as we know it in my view. So the next logical step is that no one in their right mind would pay more for offplan with at least a 3 year wait to use/yield than they would pay for a completed ready to use/rent unit. Completed prices in the Marina are generaly between 1000 - 1500 psf so offplan sales must now reflect this and be considerably lower (i would suggest at least 25%-35%). So thats 700psf. If someone bought the plot back in 2007/08 and wants to make a profit the figures just don't stack up anymore.

The whole sales/development dynamic has changed forever in Dubai making this plot a potential achillies heel for the masterplan. It is without doubt the most prestiguous location at the entrance to the Marina next to Emaar phase 1 originals.

I still think the revolving tower would be the best bet as it is already sold out and wont take long to build and wont add to parking problems. It would make the perfect addition to the tallest block.


Sounds good to me

^^^^

Steve I think you are wrong on this one mate, maybe you mean a different tower. The site for the revolving tower i mean will be announced soon. I'm hopefull.



Seems that there is a chance you are correct after all, yes that is a different rotating tower.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MJP0UXD31gE/Sbh-zFokh5I/AAAAAAAADBQ/UlCkfttLW2Q/s1600/ImreSolt048.jpg

If it is the case then is there not also a possibility that it would go between MH and TT, not in front of them?

15/June/2009

MST plot

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9160/imresoltdubaiphotos039.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/imresoltdubaiphotos039.jpg/)

^^ Imre, where you up the Torch ?

yes;)

2 more pics


http://i43.tinypic.com/153o41e.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2i71v2h.jpg

first I thought this is a construction ramp but after I saw a big Ramadan tent close to the Marina Walk, I think this going to be a public parking area during the Ramadan :)

21/August/2009

Marina Sky Towers plot

http://i28.tinypic.com/o5cd2u.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/16krpz8.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/idzkgy.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/33tlzxt.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/5l584o.jpg

it s a total miracle to me why this area has not been used for parking until now, especially considering the difficult parking situation for people wanting to go to the Marina Walk Restaurants and Supermarket...

Youre right Benji-- if i owned Spinneys property and the parade i'd have tried to do a deal to rent that plot months ago for car parking --- seems logical to me

Maybe they are improving the access for the landscapers so that Dubai Steve can get his park:)

I think a more permanent parking/park would make sense as this MST is not going to happen now unless the developer can fund it themselves without private investors. Who would tie up their money in a project like this with 5 years minimum to handover. No one!

yesterday I saw a small board there,


works in progress

Emaar Malls Group :)

^^ Interesting :)

Emaar Malls Group

Emaar Malls Group LLC is focused on creating lifestyle destinations tailored to the particular needs of the residential community they serves. Emaar’s master-planned developments generate ambience and a feeling of community unmatched by any other developer. Crucial to this process is the creation of shopping malls and community centres that blend design, access and a retail mix offering all the amenities, services and leisure options all within your reach. This is where Emaar Malls Group plays a central role – we develop lifestyle destinations with the best in shopping, leisure and entertainment for the communities we serve and the visitors they welcome.

Community Centres

In the heart of each master-planned community, is the Community Centre – a fixture for residents who will be able to find what they need at their convenience. Our Community Centres vary in size and retail offer, but they all serve a common goal: to be a total lifestyle centre dedicated to providing everything from basic everyday goods and services, leisure outlets and an array of restaurants and cafés.

Emaar Malls already operates the Dubai Marina / Marina Walk Community Centre

^^ Great news.

So 3 x 120 floor towers it is then. :ohno:

At last! A benefit from the credit crisis. No more overdeveloping real estate projects:banana:

A few 10 pin bowling lanes and big kids play etc would be good. I think there is a big market waiting to be exploited in the leisure arena. No more money to be made in real estate for a long while.

I agree 100%.

This plot of land could be used as a real crowd puller for the whole marina. Emaar should be using it as a centerpiece for their masterplaned development.

This is a massive opportunity for the Marina to further it's status as the most prestigious mainland location in Dubai.

Between mall and mall there is A NEW MALL .... is that all About DUBAI Mentaility

Maybe they are improving the access for the landscapers so that Dubai Steve can get his park:)


I think this is my Ramadan present from Sh.Mo :)

24/August/2009

MST plot

http://i29.tinypic.com/wkjqyq.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/zo836q.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/o5aw4j.jpg

Thanks for the photos. Could still be just a temp. car park or maybe landscaping :dunno:

OR Is it the site for the" Address Hotel" Dubai Marina?

Address Hotel =Marina Mall Hotel

Imre, any new indications here of what is going on?

I found the original offending architect :)

http://www.bbarchitect.com/images/highrise/Marsa2.jpg

http://www.bbarchitect.com/images/highrise/Marsa3.jpg

http://www.bbarchitect.com/13.htm

Imre, any new indications here of what is going on?



new board:)

04/September/2009

Marina Sky Towers plot

http://i27.tinypic.com/2j62zgm.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2ahwmxz.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/szfj4m.jpg

I suspect they might put up some hospitality tents for Eid later this month, maybe thats what the parking is for.

Like they did last year at the JBR beach clubs/car park.

big Ramadan tent at the Marina Walk

Oh no! that means that the mini MST still might go ahead :(

So much for landscaping

Possible pre release (work in progress) render ???

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5996/ssskm6.jpg

This 3-Tower-Design is TOP***,

BUT: :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

i have few Ideas:

1. scale the Towers back to (left one 62-72 Floors, middle 49-59
Floors & right 36-46 Floors)

:tiasd:

2. built all three Towers a little bit thinner &
3. scale the Podium back as low as possible (up to 5 Floors) &
4. let a few restaurants & shops (floors 0-5) in the Marina Walk-faced 'podium recover &
5. set the complete Podium back from the "Marina-Walk", look to the "Marina-Walk-Design"
of the Al-Mass, Fairaaz, Al-Murjan & the Mesk-Towers &
6. finally, use a Sky-coloured >blue-black< Cladding for the three Towers.

Further Ideas: :shocked::shocked::shocked:

7. built a 20-40 Floor counting "Marina-Sky-Car-Park-Tower" on these two
Plot´s between the Marina-Torch-Tower & Marina-Heights-Tower,
8. connect them with Skybridges at Floor 8, Floor 16, and Floor 24
with the Marina-Sky-Towers (this Idea reduces the Need for a too big
Podium at Marina-Sky Towers).

Then it was a real "Marina-Sky-Tower" with a supporting Parking-Structure in background............... :lovethem:

What are the SkyScraperCity-Crowd thinks to my Ideas???

:nocrook::nocrook::nocrook::nocrook:


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