DUBAI | Marina Sky Towers | 60 fl x 2 | Pro

[Stephan23]

Contractors invited to prequalify for 100-storey towers at Dubai Marina

http://www.meed.com/news/2008/03/con...ai_marina.html

Selected contractors have been invited to prequalify for the estimated $1bn Marina Sky Towers development at Dubai Marina.

The high-rise project involves the construction of three high-rise towers sitting on a common 14-floor podium with three-basement levels. Two towers will be residential, the first will be 100-storeys with a built-up area of about 204,000 square metres, and the second will be 90-storeys with a built-up area of 184,000 square metres. The third tower will be an office building with 100 storeys and a total built-up area of 204,000 square metres.

The project is still in the design stages, and an award for the contract to build the project is expected by the end of this year.

Paris-based Coteba is the project manager. The client is Das Holding.

Das Holding (Client): http://www.dasholding.ae/en/informations.aspx?id=1
Coteba (Project Manager): http://www.coteba.com/
Sales Agent: www.bhomes.com


:cheers:

Map:

2,3 & 4


http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6588/tallestblockme6.jpg


Possible Render:


http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5996/ssskm6.jpg

[Alle]

Great news.

The one thing I dont get is why they want to build 100 stories of office space in the marina?

[LeMoN-SK]

^^Good news, I am just not sure about the design. Too generic for crazy Dubai. :lol: Looks good. :okay:

[Stephan23]

And why such a design at Dubai Marina???

No April joke btw!!!

[ARGYRO]

wow ... very nice buildings !! ...

[Alle]

I like the design BTW, hope it gets approved.

[Stephan23]

It's for the unnamed emaar plot in front ot The Torch. They defenetly will build this 3 towers there!!

Design?? :hm: Not sure!!

[ZZ-II]

that possible render looks quite good already but i've my doubts they'll use it....wouldn't fit between all the Arabic-style towers :)

[Stephan23]

Yes, said it in the UAE section. Would be better for the Business Bay!!!

[Stephan23]

double!!! :ohno:

[potipoti]

i think the most important thing is they can do them... the design is good and they are really tall :)

[Densetsu]

IMO the design is not that bad but it doesn't fit the style of the marina. Still cool though.:D

[Dubai_Steve]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg

http://www.marinaskytowers.com/

Marina Sky Towers launched recently consists of 3 major towers, each near or above 100 floors, sat on a 14 storey car park plinth.

Is it fair to say that it does not fit in well with it's surroundings, creating imbalance with the surrounding tower layouts and is far to imposing to position right on the edge of the marina walk way?

It would seem a some what bad decision to approve this project and will likely cause significant infrastructure problems around the marina area of Dubai.

Many existing residents of Dubai marina are seriously affected by this proposal and worried about just how such a decision was passed at the highest levels?

Is Dubai marina out of control from a management perspective, lacking planning regulation controls and has become almost a free for all - anything goes situation?

You have to wonder, don't you?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1205/mstyr8.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/348hlqr.jpg

The aesthetics of Marina Sky Towers will not add to the beauty of the Marina but will be an ugly intrusion into what is currently an area of architectural splendour. The sheer size and mass of the proposed structures will not blend into the existing cityscape and will not fit well with the surrounding architecture. It will not compliment landmark developments such as the original Phase 1 complex and the surrounding towers. The height and scale of the proposal, in particular it's oversized podium will be totally overbearing to the area and will not make residents or visitors feel at ease with their surroundings, let alone enjoy the waterfront lifestyle. Furthermore the traffic and logistical problems that this will introduce into what is already an overcrowded area will be disastrous for the Marina. The increased volume of traffic generated by towers of this height and volume will make it near impossible to move freely around this already crowded end of the Marina.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4463/marinareadyforrende8na5.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6923/imresolt147qt4.jpg

The project has currently been delayed until September 08 with rumours of a change to 2 office towers and 1 residential tower in order to be able to sell out the units of this horrific project.

Marina Sky Towers is the most hated project in Dubai.

how will the roads cope with ppl in that 100f office and 100F and 90F residential towers with those small roads in that area?? this is just silly...height limits HAVE to be put in place not for flight paths...but for the infrastucture!

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Emaar will not only ruin their own Phase I development but will have every customer that bought land from them in this area complaining.

putrid podium, lack of imagination in design, density is insane btw the buildings, what a waste of such prime property.
And why the hell is there a road facing the marina!

Really ugly development regardless where it is.

My God! I just saw the prospected towers! This is really a nightmare for the marina...

I think Emaar's reputation will be irreparably harmed if they permit this monstrosity to go ahead.

Marina Walk & Phase I = ruined

It is ways to high for this area of the marina and much to dense, would look terrible within the marina, maybe they should relocate it to somewhere else, maybe Dubai Waterfront!


Whoever made the decision to say "yes this can be built here" has no vision whatsoever.

The podium is utterly hideous. If I had a berth in front of that thing I'd severly annoyed with a huge shadow and 4 lanes of traffic just yards away...

Projects like that make Dubai more and more totally unattraticve.

And they are ruining the "oldest" part of the Marina which could have been a nice and unique place.

I can't believe that the authorities are this stupid. It has disaster written all over it.

The location of the plot deserves an iconic building.
The sheer size means that there will be no blending with the surrounding buildings.
There will be gridlock due to the traffic.
The contruction noise will please no one in the surounding buildings.

So for me the blame goes on the people who approved this.

Stupid project in wrong location ...

Terrible project. It will ruin all the tallest block.

If we all join forces and stand behind it when its built, we'll hopefully be able to push it into the Marina. This project is ugly and stupid. And no one in their right mind would ever need 14 stories of podium.

I was considering buying another apartment in the marina but don't think I'll bother now that marina walk will be ruined. Cannot get over how hideous that podium is and the 4 lanes right next to the marina.

One day Channel 5 will make a program called "Top 50 Design Blunders" and this will be right up there.

I recon this was designed by the developers themselves as opposed to hiring architects.

Since the whole complex is butt ugly people will want to leave asap.

This is a totally ugly idea that will completely ruin this side of the marina, completely over load already breaking capacities of infrastructure and so be strongly fought from going ahead, to the highest levels within Dubai.

This is estate mis-management of the highest order and all current residents and owners of apartments in this area should be forming a legal action case rejecting this project as being totally out of keeping and likely to cause severe infrastructure problems for existing residents.

Seriously hacked off with the whole episode and has ruined all plans to live over there permanently.

I so regret buying anything in Dubai and never would again. This sort of decision is going to start a selling spree within the marina area, as clearly, EMAAR don't have a f'ing clue what they are doing.

Nasty podium, total eye-sore... Was expecting something more iconic

Even though i dont have any investment in marina. I too have sent a message to Highness. can every one do the same please.

Very Bad idea

those towers are fugly!

Having worked on this project before it became Marina Sky Towers, I am quite disappointed with the current proposal.

The PROPOSED project will ruin the intention Emaar had for Marina Walk.

Whatever, we must do whatever it takes to save the Marina. If they ruined the Palm, the Marina is a joke....as the architects digest has claimed that Dubai is an architectural MESS! Hence this project conforms it! GREED AND DODGY DEVELOPERS IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN DUBAI THESE DAYS.

This plot has so much potential to make the tallest block something really nice and peaceful instaed of building tall towers. You can´t enhance live quality with just tall buildings.

I really hope for all tallest block residents that this get cancelled.........

This eye-sore of a project will ruin the phase 1 area of Dubai Marina.

This is the wrong location for such towers. The podium is far too tall destroying the marina lifestyle.

The podium of the towers is just way too big.

This hair-brained, badly-designed project will ruin the entire Marina, not to mention cause all kinds of traffic problems! And Jeez! To the architect - are you freaking blind man??? Your design sucks ass! You should immediately be struck off and incarcerated for your crime!

This plot should be used to maximise liveability for all Marina Residents not maximise profits.

MST is the perfect way to destroy some of the best land in the marina! Come up with a new design that doesnt suck so much, the podium is horrifying!

Totally wrong for this plot, this has got to be moved to a plot that can cope with this size of development, please cancel it and the whole marina will benefit !!!!

The Marina and sorrounds were a sign that Dubai and its Plannning Authority had considered the sustainability and beauty of this unique development - this current proposal would see a significant degredation of quality of the area, the overall attractivness and the asthetic quality will suffer - the "New Dubai" tag will be lost forever - at the risk of sounding trite surely a Green Space would offer greater value - for anyone who has lived in HK or any other developing country the value of getting the development foot-print right now will have its rewards in the future - Emaar should display its commitment to sustainable development and promote itself as a true developer of distinction now by recognising this opportunity as one to distinguish itself as a global leader in not only the biggest and most inovative developers in the region but the best -

This building is an eyesore and will ruin the marina.

I live in Marina Height Tower and I notice that people are always strugling to find a parking in order to enjoy the Marina Walk and all it's facilities. So a good use of this spot will be a parking with some green parts, so it can be a kind of extention of this beautiful project which is the Marina Walk. In my opinion if this project goes on it will take out all the charm of the Marina and make it look like closed area (something like JBR 2), not the open space it is now. So please let the Marina continu being as beautiful as it is now.

What an eysore on a beautiful marina.

My 20 year experience in Town Planning and my role as an executive in several committee's overseas, warrants my comment that this project in its form will not only ruin Marina Walk but will also display the the greed and power hungry attitude of several developers with no vision. Developers who seem to have higher connections and look for status in tall towers rather then design and suitability of an area and surrounding infrastructure. Dubai Marina was one of the pride developments, for Dubai , but a concrete jungle with bad planning seems to be emerging. Bright lights and tall towers do not make a beautiful place. Dubai is good at listing the biggest and best and tallest and widest etc. Now the new terms of the ugliest, worst and dirtiest etc will emerge in the media. Projects like Marina Sky Towers will be the eye sore in front of what will become MARINA POND! Lack of vision and pure lust for money!

This development must not go ahead. It will ruin the entire marina.

make better use of the space and use more greenery. the marina needs more green spaces and less concrete jungle.

Dubai is in the wonderful position of being able to plan cities from scratch. Simply building higher and higher, closer and closer to satisfy the profit motive of companies whilst creating yet another horrible blot on the landscape is, I am sure, not part of the vision of Sheikh Mohammed.

This development will totally ruin the WHOLE Marina area. Completely in the wrong location !

This will ruin the marina.

Its a prime location that deserves an iconic building. MST is plain ugly. Its size is too big and will give local infrasturcture nightmares.

it's disgusting what they are doing, btw i don't live in the area or in the same state but its sick what they are doing.

total disregard for the whole area ! complete montrosity

This area should be kept for a open space, some where to chill and take in the atmosphere, definitely not for 3 supertall ugly skyscrapers. This surely cant go ahead!!! Do not allow this project to go ahead. give us some greenery instead!

This would totally spoil this end of the marina.

The continuation of this project would be a disaster for the marina and would go against all previous planning restrictions placed on all other developments in that area - how could this be allowed to happen?

This project will, in my opinion, completely ruin the quality of life for many thousands of residents and visitors to Dubai Marina. Please do not allow this to happen.

The scale and perspective of Sky Towers would destroy all perspective and line of Marina Walk which has been developing into a well considered head of the Marina. Building on this scale obliterates this concept and a previously great looking area would become a total eyesore. How could any rational and intelligent city planning ever allow this to be approved? Does anyone in Dubai consider the people who have committed to the future and made their lives here? It appears not. Aesthetically, ethically and practically this is a monstrosity. It serves only to benefit developers. Dubai City needs to concentrate on making desirable, well formed and flourishing communities, not creating annonymous faceless ghettos. Time for a serious rethink.

This THREE towers would DESTROY the WHOLE marina. So dear authority please don´t approv this towers..THIS MUST BE STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can anyone remember Spain in the 70's - if you can this Marina is heading the same way.The building of towersmust stop before its to late.If this Monster of a tower is allowed to be build right smack in the front of the Marina then I am sure Dubai will be getting it wrong BIG TIME --

it is destroying the marina project...

HI,JUST MY VIEWS ON MTS.IF MST IS BUILT AROUND THE A5C, D, & E PLOTS, IT WOULD MOST DEFINATELY DESTROY WHAT HAS BEEN GROWING IN TO A BEAUTIFUL AREA OF THE MARINA. FOR MST TO BE BUILT IN IT'S CURRENT FORM ANYWHERE WOULD RUIN IT'S SURROUNDINGS.IN MY VIEW, THE DESIGN OF MST, IF IT CAN BE DESCRIBED AS A DESIGN, IS 100% ABOUT MAKING MONEY FOR THE OWNER(S) OF THE PLOT(S) AT THE EXPENSE OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY PAID PREMIUM PRICES FOR PROMISED VIEWS.

These towers would be an abomination if built. They're both unfriendly, out of scale, and a huge eyesore.

An absolute disgrace if this gets approved. It will show that EMAAR and HRH "vision of the marina" as a quality living area are well and truely dead, planning control now out of control and the whole marina driven by pure greed, with no consideration for those that have bought into "the dream" that was Dubai Marina.

A complete horror of a design.

I'm totally agrre with this petition....it's a wrong project in a wrong place!

I cannot believe that this ghastly tower may be built in Dubai Marina. It will,without doubt, spoil the Marina and surely will go down in history as being one of the most ugliest buildings ever built. Keep signing the petition. we must do everything we can to stop this monstrosity.

Will seriously harm the Marina Walk and North end of the Marina. Towers are too large to put three of them in that space while maintaining smooth logistics, traffic, and aesthetics.

Please sign the petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

[malec]

Just to let everyone know, I found this render on a random cgi artists forum. The person who posted it just said "tower in Dubai", that's it. It might not even be a render for a real project but some student project or something.
The towers are real though, as they're in the news article.

[CULWULLA]

they look ok. probably suit the marina.
i reckon 360m for tallest.

[Pablitisimo Maximo]

This design is stunning! :cheers:

[Sander-]

I love the design.. the Al Fattan marine towers "does not fit" the JBR line either, but they're still great and gives the whole area a better feel. Just like these will (if built like this)

[Phobos]

Too massive.Looks like those residential buildings in HK,with a better facade.

[Dubai_Steve]

I agree, too massive, gives the closed in feel of a brick wall. Would prefer sleeker, less bulky towers.

[Imre]

I got yesterday:

Dear Mr. Imre

The development launch has been delayed till mid-end of April.

I will keep you informed for any details

Thank you for your patience

Best Regards

[dubaiskyscrapers]

Where are you guys getting all these awesome information? It looks really cool!!

[xXFallenXx]

edit

[SA BOY]

yuk and totally immature architecture for the marina

[Smack!!]

Would have looked better in Business Bay imo...

[webeagle12]

Ok so they start in May, going ot take 6 months to dig a hole, put piles in and then 1-2 years to pump all the water, so construction will start in late 2009, early 2010 :horse:

[ZZ-II]

i hope the Infinity-accident will not happen again here ^^

[Dubai_Steve]

Marina Sky Towers plot.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/786/img2843es1.jpg

A shared 14 storey podium will look huge ! :nuts:

[Dan Hochhaus]

^^ Yes - such a podium could be nearly as tall as The Torch, 23 Marina and Mag 218 on the pic. But the rendering shows a podium of only about 8-9 storeys, so probably it won`t be that tall, or the number includes the basement levels. Anyway this would be enough - too huge podiums make the towers on top appear smaller. On the render, it looks okay to me, as the podium is not boxy like most of the neighbours', but rolling smartly along the waterside.

All in all I like this design, although I'd even prefer three different towers here.

[Dubai_Steve]

I don't think it will be that render.

But the podium will be 14 stories above ground, so would look immense !!

I wonder if a 14 storey podium would include a shopping mall or is just for parking and a couple for facilities and restaurants overlooking the marina.

[Tom_Green]

For everyone that is interested to see how such a large podium with a tall skyscrapers looks like, i have an example from Bangkog. The building in that pic is 230m tall.
http://i29.tinypic.com/2d8pfv6.jpg

[ZZ-II]

that base looks to big ^^

[HD]

what is the yearly office space take up in dubai? is there really demand for 100 storey office towers with over 200,000 sqm?

[Stephan23]

You can see the Torch. In this pic it should be 15 floors high (without core). So you can imagine how tall this podium will be!!!!

Nice pic btw :master: Thx Steve

[Sander-]

what is the yearly office space take up in dubai? is there really demand for 100 storey office towers with over 200,000 sqm?

Commercial occupancy is currently at 97%-98%, i.e. it's all full and prices are skyrocketing. Demand is atm far outstripping demand. So yeah, it's about the place in the world with most demand for a 100 story office tower :nuts:

But ofcourse, this is not the only office tower being built in Dubai these days;)

[helghast]

what is the yearly office space take up in dubai? is there really demand for 100 storey office towers with over 200,000 sqm?

there's plans for the tallest office building in the DFC area. so freedom tower wont be the tallest office building inthe world

[storms991]

Bland and boring, nothing new when it comes to Dubai, it's either hit or miss.

[ElVoltageDR]

Eh... I'm getting scared with the talk of a 14 story podium for 3 towers. Especially in a plot that big. I don't really like buildings with really tall podiums.

[Dubai_Steve]

I can't understand what the usage would be for 14 storeys. The only thing I can imagine is that it will be some kind of shopping mall. Why else would you need that many? Most towers here only need 5 or so. I understand that a commercial tower will need more parking but surely not 14 are needed in that huge shared podium, especially since there will also be 3 below ground!

The empty plots that runs back from this plot will be the marina arcade mall which is for high fashion shops similar to Rodeo drive. I wonder then if there will be a need for an additional mall in the podium for more useful stores ?

[AltinD]

I'm sure 14 would be the total number of parking floors, including those underground. Probably 7 underground and 7 above ground (including the G floor)

[Dubai_Steve]

^^ The press release says 3 underground.

So the best location in the marina will just become a massive parking mall :bash

[malec]

I recon there would be shopping there. A good big supermarket would be good there

[helghast]

maybe even a show room, for like ex :cityscape:

[mightygoose]

i love this design really quirky... it will make a nice change and break up the repetativeness of the marina....

[Shezan]

don' t really like but are good for the Dubai future cluster....:cheers:

[hella good]

interesting design :)

[AltinD]

A screenshot from the developer's website showing the towers, with improved design and space arrangement. At least the render circulating till now, wasn't a bogus one as we might been fearing.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2h2gy6q.jpg

[malec]

Might been fearing? It'd be much better if this design was bogus and that they were joking and actually got Foster and Partners to design the towers.

[Dubai_Steve]

hmmm I tend to agree with malec, do not like this design. Not sure if it sits well in the tallest block at all.

[Smack!!]

I actually like this render, cant wait until they get built. Good looking towers! Finally something different.

[ElVoltageDR]

Does that mean that there won't be a 14 story podium?

[Dubai_Steve]

^^ Probably still be a 14 storey podium. However, the MEED press release said the project is still in the design stages and the new render does not show the podium.

Here is the plot. We should know more in the next week or 2.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3060/plotpl6.jpg

[ElVoltageDR]

Oh:(

[The_Dude]

Gotta say it's growing on me. It is one of those designs that becomes repetitive over three iterations but at the same time it is a nice design that once completed may prove refreshing in the context of the almost neo-Victorian Elite Residence, Princess Tower, Torch, and Marina 101

[ZZ-II]

today by sccot68:

http://i28.tinypic.com/33o2jqa.jpg

[Marina7]

Dubai Marina Sky Towers are officially launched at Abu Dhabi 2008 Cityscape. Stand 5C10.

[Sander-]

Well at least its tall and the view is good :)

[Smokeey]

I heard that they will not actually be selling any units at Cityscape as such, but will sell a few weeks later. Not sure if this is true though. Anyone want hazard a guess as to launch pricing?

[ZZ-II]

when is the cityscape?

[AltinD]

^^ May 13th I think (in Abu Dhabi)

[Taylorhoge]

This looks really cool I wish there was a thread just to post pics of your favorite Dubai building excluding the Burj Dubai.

[ZZ-II]

^^ May 13th I think (in Abu Dhabi)

thx, so not long to wait :)

[Nazo_x]

Yea, apparently no sales during CS AD, soft launch arounf a month later, informed by Better Home's.

[Imre]

13/May/2008

Marina Sky Towers

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9434/imresolt144dq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/70/imresolt145pt7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6923/imresolt147qt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/1781/imresolt148an5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2069/imresolt150vh1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/824/imresolt152dy2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3032/imresolt153mq7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Imre]

13/May/2008

Marina Sky Towers

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3699/imresolt234co6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9339/imresolt235dq0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[jonovision]

These things are monsters! And that base! It's monolithic. I don't know if I like them?!

[AltinD]

:puke:

[GOL2007]

Most of the Designs in Dubai I like, but this ist just... :puke:

The podium is way too big and high! It will look terrible next to the Marina Walk...

Don't build it with this Design! :nono:

[Stephan23]

I think they are great!!!! :eek:

[ZZ-II]

agree Stephan, love them too :)

[Densetsu]

I would like them, if there were just 1 building. What they did is: designed a cool skyscraper and multiplied by 3, then a horrible trine with a strange podium. :ohno:

[GOL2007]

agree Stephan, love them too :)

:toilet: !!!

[Torch]

It looks for me like a proposal for Hongkong.
IMO the podium is way to big and they don't leave room for an appropriate sidewalk :ohno:.
On top of that, there is no public space or something.

[ZZ-II]

would be indeed a nice project for HK :)

[TowerPower]

These towers are monstrous. Completely lifeless, the essence of horrible architecture which doesn't relate to the human scale. I think the endless lanes of asphalt surrounding the base of the tower pretty much sum it up. This is built to be an investment, not a place to live.

[Dubai_Steve]

Ugly shit.

[Stephan23]

^^It isn't

BTW: 119F + 105F + 119F

Edit title!!!

[crazyevildude]

^The problem isn't so much the look of the towers (although they're not great). The problem is the location and the podium. Buildings need to interact well with the streets that surrond them, they should create public space that people want to use. They should never be sealed off units surronded by 4lane roads that encourage people to never go outside. This is especially true in residential areas like the Marina
If this project is allowed to happen one of the best spots in the marina will be turned into a lifeless wasteland.

[fettekatz]

^^ well put

I like the design of the towers above the base. The streetlevel area is horrible though, its definately not build for pedestrian acces

[AltinD]

^^ First, welcome to this section of the forum. :laugh: ;)

As for the street level, the model is totally inaccurate. There are no 4 lanes wide roads around the tower, certanly not on the promenade.

[Amo urbem]

Makes me think of Coruscant...

[ZZ-II]

^^It isn't

BTW: 119F + 105F + 119F

Edit title!!!

i'm excited to know the height, i guess arround 430-450m

[Stephan23]

^^I don't think they will go over 400 meters!!!

[ZZ-II]

don't say that, 119 floors are much, princess has 107 at 414m

[FM 2258]

I love the design. I also love how we're able to throw around numbers like 400 meters, 500 meters, 100 floors, 1500feet, 120 floors easily these days.

[fettekatz]

^^ First, welcome to this section of the forum. :laugh: ;)

As for the street level, the model is totally inaccurate. There are no 4 lanes wide roads around the tower, certanly not on the promenade.

lol

I've been here a few times already

[krzewi]

thats ugly :(

[ElVoltageDR]

Ugh... the podium is going to be ungainly. Just awful.

[Dubai_Steve]

This will destroy the marina. It must be stopped at any cost!

[Imre]

15/May/2008

The Torch and the MST plot

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6320/imresolt107os9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4127/imresolt108hr1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[malec]

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8594/18554945ja4.jpg

[bizzybonita]

nice one Malec ... :D

[Densetsu]

Is it one of your fascinating models Malec?

Btw, i think that the podium wont fit because the buildings nearby just have a 4 storey podium but the marina towers' podium is ~8 floors.
It'll be distorted.

[malec]

^^ It's cleverly disguised to look like 8 stories, it's actually be 15-stories high :nuts:

[Densetsu]

What! 15 Floors! Its even worse. :ohno:

[malec]

The same renders but in higher quality


http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5499/57412826bf1.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8219/21291235oe1.jpg

[Densetsu]

The original design in the render is different than yours malec.(?) Did you make a mistake?

[malec]

^^ That render (2 posts up) is the oldest one. I based my renders from the model shown at cityscape. In fact there are more renders available and I forgot the skybridges.

[AltinD]

From what we have heard the design is not final and it is not yet approved by the Authorities, so who knows what will happen (to the design).

[helghast]

that's good to hear, lets just hope they change the design and not the number of floors

[Dubai_Steve]

At a minimum, they need to reduce the podium size and remove one tower or make them much thinner with less units to allow some light through. Too many units here packed in for maximum greed and disregard for the area.

[germantower]

They should change the design and the number of floors this towers are definately toooooooooooooo tall for this plot.........it would look so unbalanced....IMO everything above 35-40 floors is way toooo high for this plot......

[fettekatz]

At a minimum, they need to reduce the podium size and remove one tower or make them much thinner with less units to allow some light through. Too many units here packed in for maximum greed and disregard for the area.

you talk as if aesthetics ever have influenced the constructions there :|. Let's face it, there many stunning towers, but the overall planning of Dubai is horrible

[AltinD]

^^ As if you have ever been here to experience it. :laugh:

[AltinD]

They should change the design and the number of floors this towers are definately toooooooooooooo tall for this plot.........it would look so unbalanced....IMO everything above 35-40 floors is way toooo high for this plot......

I agree they are to tall, to dense and have a terrible podium, but 35 - 40 floors????? Pleeeeeease ....

[Dubai_Steve]

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1205/mstyr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1205/mstyr8.0a0946cdb4.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=80&i=mstyr8.jpg)

[LeMoN-SK]

I am not against this height eventhought 90-100 fl would look better in my eyes. But the main problem IMO is the concentration of the mass and the tall podium, that is really horrible. :ohno:

[ZZ-II]

agree, that's the only problem for me too

i mean...come on ( originally posted by Dubai-Steve, UAE Section ):

http://i31.tinypic.com/2gvuel3.jpg

[Dubai_Steve]

The problem for me is the podium, the destruction of the area and not wide enough gaps between the towers to let light through to any of the other towers. It takes away from the area and does not add to it. The height is not the issue. Also they made sure the towers go right to the edge of the podiums, they could have shifted them a little with regard to the towers behind. Karma will come back to these guys in the end. So much more could have been done here with the design to enhance the area in general.

[Dubai_Steve]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg

A truely depressing site.

This project must be stopped at ANY cost!

Do NOT invest in this project.

[Densetsu]

^^OMG! Thats horrible. That shouldnt be built in Dubai Marina. :ohno:

[Dubai_Steve]

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg

http://www.marinaskytowers.com/

Marina Sky Towers launched recently consists of 3 major towers, each near or above 100 floors, sat on a 14 storey car park plinth.

Is it fair to say that it does not fit in well with it's surroundings, creating imbalance with the surrounding tower layouts and is far to imposing to position right on the edge of the marina walk way?

It would seem a some what bad decision to approve this project and will likely cause significant infrastructure problems around the marina area of Dubai.

Many existing residents of Dubai marina are seriously affected by this proposal and worried about just how such a decision was passed at the highest levels?

Is Dubai marina out of control from a management perspective, lacking planning regulation controls and has become almost a free for all - anything goes situation?

You have to wonder, don't you?

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/1205/mstyr8.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/348hlqr.jpg

The aesthetics of Marina Sky Towers will not add to the beauty of the Marina but will be an ugly intrusion into what is currently an area of architectural splendour. The sheer size and mass of the proposed structures will not blend into the existing cityscape and will not fit well with the surrounding architecture. It will not compliment landmark developments such as the original Phase 1 complex and the surrounding towers. The height and scale of the proposal, in particular it's oversized podium will be totally overbearing to the area and will not make residents or visitors feel at ease with their surroundings, let alone enjoy the waterfront lifestyle. Furthermore the traffic and logistical problems that this will introduce into what is already an overcrowded area will be disastrous for the Marina. The increased volume of traffic generated by towers of this height and volume will make it near impossible to move freely around this already crowded end of the Marina.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4463/marinareadyforrende8na5.jpg

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6923/imresolt147qt4.jpg

The project has currently been delayed until September 08

There is currently a massive objection to this project with 12,000+ signatures on a petition against the development.

The Marina Sky Towers is the most hated project in Dubai.

[RubenT]

Save the Marina! This buildings are way too bulky. Especially with the modium beneath them.

[The-Real-Link]

That podium base goes right to the edge without setback! Where's any kind of integration into the marina here?! I mean the towers look decent on their own but IMO like others have said, are far too tall and large for a comforting sense to such an important edge. Anyone who turns their boat into the marina will see these huge "brick walls" in front of them. A unique and powerful building? Certainly. On the EDGE of a marina? Definitely not the right spot I feel. If I can find that petition, it's as good as signed. Did the architects for this one even take a moment to look at the ground plane and scope of this thing on people's perception, let alone how it affects the whole marina area? Doesn't look like it.

Looks like they're just trying to maximize rent and office / floorspace for profit.

*Edit - Crazyevildude, people once tried that in Detroit; to build a great revitalizing center to the city and yet, blocked it off by concrete and highways. Not saying the Renaissance Center is horrible on it's own but I know it wasn't a well accepted project because all the concrete alienated people rather than embraced them. Since GM's moved in though, they've torn down the walls to the plaza and rebuilt a lot of the area to make it better... These towers feel like they are doing the same - to make something neat but completely remove any beauty and human element from the project and seperating any streetlife with highways and concrete.

Malec's renders look sweet but this definitely feels like the center of some kind of office block or something in Hong Kong. If they had to design something so lifeless (ie. powerful looking), even *that* is somewhat understandable but this is not the location for it, period.

[WA]

I think it would look nice if only the base were being built IMO

[ZZ-II]

the base is way too big, even alone..without towers

[Buyckske Ruben]

Shit, nothing more than shit! What a type of ugly, bulky en way to massive building is that! The poduim swells up the rest of the area. They destroy the open space.

Very bad :ohno: :bash:

[CMack]

Everyone is getting all enraged, but for the wrong reason. Dubai_Steve keeps spamming his self-made/amateur "renders" & "mockups" of these towers that most likely don't reflect the actual size, or massing - only that can be determined from actual final plans, drawings, and renderings from the professional architectural firm in charge of the project, along with the developer.

Until then, making judgment one way or another based on what someone who is clearly against the towers' construction is just wrong. Don't be so easily misled without the final facts from the professionals. :ohno: I'm not going to repost it, you can see above in post #109 - the "rendering" is so inaccurate, not to scale, unbalanced, etc. Terribly misleading, especially when presented as a fact or an actuality as has been done by Dubai_Steve. I understand you don't like the towers but don't mislead others just to further your cause.

[olsib]

^^ Well... at least the shadow is clearly out of scale!

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/4014/mst02ps6.jpg

[Dubai_Steve]

^^ The tower's are shown at the correct scale.

Model.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9434/imresolt144dq3.jpg

This tower does not belong on the marinas edge!


Scale comparison to the ex twin towers:

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/967/marinaskytowersye8.jpg

[Dubai_Steve]

how will the roads cope with ppl in that 100f office and 100F and 90F residential towers with those small roads in that area?? this is just silly...height limits HAVE to be put in place not for flight paths...but for the infrastucture!

R

Emaar will not only ruin their own Phase I development but will have every customer that bought land from them in this area complaining.

putrid podium, lack of imagination in design, density is insane btw the buildings, what a waste of such prime property.
And why the hell is there a road facing the marina!

Really ugly development regardless where it is.

My God! I just saw the prospected towers! This is really a nightmare for the marina...

I think Emaar's reputation will be irreparably harmed if they permit this monstrosity to go ahead.

Marina Walk & Phase I = ruined

It is ways to high for this area of the marina and much to dense, would look terrible within the marina, maybe they should relocate it to somewhere else, maybe Dubai Waterfront!


Whoever made the decision to say "yes this can be built here" has no vision whatsoever.

The podium is utterly hideous. If I had a berth in front of that thing I'd severly annoyed with a huge shadow and 4 lanes of traffic just yards away...

Projects like that make Dubai more and more totally unattraticve.

And they are ruining the "oldest" part of the Marina which could have been a nice and unique place.

I can't believe that the authorities are this stupid. It has disaster written all over it.

The location of the plot deserves an iconic building.
The sheer size means that there will be no blending with the surrounding buildings.
There will be gridlock due to the traffic.
The contruction noise will please no one in the surounding buildings.

So for me the blame goes on the people who approved this.

Stupid project in wrong location ...

Terrible project. It will ruin all the tallest block.

If we all join forces and stand behind it when its built, we'll hopefully be able to push it into the Marina. This project is ugly and stupid. And no one in their right mind would ever need 14 stories of podium.

I was considering buying another apartment in the marina but don't think I'll bother now that marina walk will be ruined. Cannot get over how hideous that podium is and the 4 lanes right next to the marina.

One day Channel 5 will make a program called "Top 50 Design Blunders" and this will be right up there.

I recon this was designed by the developers themselves as opposed to hiring architects.

Since the whole complex is butt ugly people will want to leave asap.

This is a totally ugly idea that will completely ruin this side of the marina, completely over load already breaking capacities of infrastructure and so be strongly fought from going ahead, to the highest levels within Dubai.

This is estate mis-management of the highest order and all current residents and owners of apartments in this area should be forming a legal action case rejecting this project as being totally out of keeping and likely to cause severe infrastructure problems for existing residents.

Seriously hacked off with the whole episode and has ruined all plans to live over there permanently.

I so regret buying anything in Dubai and never would again. This sort of decision is going to start a selling spree within the marina area, as clearly, EMAAR don't have a f'ing clue what they are doing.

Nasty podium, total eye-sore... Was expecting something more iconic

Even though i dont have any investment in marina. I too have sent a message to Highness. can every one do the same please.

Very Bad idea

those towers are fugly!

Having worked on this project before it became Marina Sky Towers, I am quite disappointed with the current proposal.

The PROPOSED project will ruin the intention Emaar had for Marina Walk.

Whatever, we must do whatever it takes to save the Marina. If they ruined the Palm, the Marina is a joke....as the architects digest has claimed that Dubai is an architectural MESS! Hence this project conforms it! GREED AND DODGY DEVELOPERS IS ALL THAT MATTERS IN DUBAI THESE DAYS.

This plot has so much potential to make the tallest block something really nice and peaceful instaed of building tall towers. You can´t enhance live quality with just tall buildings.

I really hope for all tallest block residents that this get cancelled.........

..

[CMack]

WTF are you trying to prove? sure, people don't like the design as-is but that doesn't justify how you copy-and-paste the tower into an aerial photograph without a clue of the correct angle and proportions. It just doesn't add up. Making that up by going "uhh well its 119 floors so it must be this tall" as you copy-and-paste as I said it just plain wrong. And stupid. It's not scientific at all, let alone a correct depiction of reality. You clearly don't "get it" :bash:

I'm not defending the towers, the design, or anything. I don't give a shit because I don't live there. All I'm doing is pointing out how you are distorting reality.

[Dubai_Steve]

^^ I found the picture on another thread. It is not mine.

[malec]

The scale is not quite right in that picture but it's almost, a bit too high. Nobody is going for specifics here, if it's 20m taller or smaller it doesn't make much of a difference.
Renderings from the professional architecture firms are often bullshit because they often halve the size of the surrounding towers, or make the desert into a rain forrest, etc.

This is my render assuming 3.5m per floor which is the usual in Dubai. Height and proportions seem OK looking at the model.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9313/marinareadyforrender3km1.jpg


BTW where is that petition with 12000 signatures?

[CMack]

^^ I found the picture on another thread. It is not mine.

Then claiming or presenting it as fact and as accurate is even more wrong to do. I'm saying that one cannot use a photograph of a scale model - impose it onto another photograph of a site and assume or claim that it everything is accurately to scale without first knowing many different variables such as orientation, angles, depth of field, exact dimensions, etc. Especially in a case like this with a three-dimensional model and a two dimensional photograph at an unknown distance and height above sea-level. I am a graphics professional with enough background and experience on different issues to know what I'm talking about, hence why I said that the picture was very misleading as it was presented.

^^ The tower's are shown at the correct scale.

Criticize the towers all you want, that's perfectly ok with me. I just want people to make their own logical decisions not based on misleading "facts" thats all.

[CMack]

This is my render assuming 3.5m per floor which is the usual in Dubai. Height and proportions seem OK looking at the model.

Malec - You've done a good job at attempting, given the little information we currently have, to present the towers at scale and orientation, from what I can see. Thanks for the rendering. Like you said, nothing can be 100% certain on most towers from their initial renderings (which are often nothing more than "massings" or vague attempts at showing overall shape and features to clients.) Usually everything in the first phase is conceptual until a client has accepted the design concept proposal. After that comes the detailed work in a computer-aided drafting setting with oversight and input from engineers, architects, planners, etc. Usually not until after this stage is completed will the public have a greater chance of knowing more accurately what is going to be developed.

[Dubai_Steve]

Official render

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8568/mstab6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8568/mstab6.b5c1e325ef.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=78&i=mstab6.jpg)

1 bed Floorplan http://www.marinaskytowers.ae/fp1.htm

3 bed floorplan http://www.marinaskytowers.ae/fp11.htm

[helghast]

there not that bad, but they should be put in Buisness Bay

[Dubai_Steve]

Agree, location is wrong.

[ZZ-II]

there not that bad, but they should be put in Buisness Bay

indeed, BB would be a great location :)

[BlackSmith!]

^^Podium sucks, its way too big. But towers are nice:)

[Edwin_kok86]

totally agree BlackSmith! The podium will be way to big in compare with the other towers on the block i think

[Dubai_Steve]

Please sign the petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

[Dequal]

Please sign the petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marinaskytowers/

Petition signed. 3 signatures already! :lol:

[Deepfield]

Those towers would be better in Dubaï Marina, but with beautiful spires like those of the other supertalls of the marina and with a less-darker facade (and of course with a smaller podium). :)

It would be great in BB too (if there is no redesign).

[LMC]

:puke:

[ZZ-II]

recent shots from the plot:

http://i38.tinypic.com/2i7q1b5.jpg

[Dequal]

Any new information about the tower. Is it still going to be build like it was on the renders? (I hope not...)

[AltinD]

^^ Will learn more next week during the Cityscape. The developer is partecipating as well.

[Dubai_Steve]

http://www.zawya.com/pr/images/MST_2008_10_04.jpg

Dubai- 4 October 2008- East & West the real estate arm of DAS Holding Launches the Marina Sky Towers project. Situated in the heart of Dubai Marina, Marina Sky Towers offers a mix of apartments, penthouses, and commercial spaces within the first tower, while the second is a business-dedicated hub. The 60-storey twin towers house the ideal living and working spaces, along with a multitude of retail facilities combining specialty boutiques, restaurants and entertainment hubs, all jostling for position.


Promoting an environment that is growing ever more refined, Dubai Marina is one of the largest waterfront developments of its kind in the region, conceptualized as a city within a city, proposing a miscellany of residential, commercial, leisure, hospitality and retail services with a view to enhancing the lifestyle of residents and visitors alike.


Enthused by the spirit of its surrounds, Marina Sky Towers is ready and able to become one of the most significant icons within a dynamic community living at the height of fashion. Offering both residential and commercial options, Marina Sky Towers rises above Dubai Marina, almost hugging the water's edge, amongst busy yachts and open-air cafés bustling with a stream of chattering diners and hurrying waiters; suits, secretaries and skateboarders whisking past the scenery.


The artistic design of Marina Sky Towers features curved lines echoing unison and passion as they smoothly rise into the skies, complementing the neighboring area with breathtaking architecture and spectacular vista of the marina, sea and sky.


Marina Sky Towers stands proudly at the mouth of Dubai Marina, unwrapping into the sapphire waters of the Arabian Gulf. With key access points to Sheikh Zayed Road and other major arteries, Marina Sky Towers provides ease of access to Dubai's central areas, Abu Dhabi, Jumeirah and is within walking distance to Dubai Media City.


The project presents an extravaganza of facilities including infinity swimming pools, day care centers, trendy gymnasiums, business centers for meetings and conferences, 24-hour security, guest parking, spa, sauna, Jacuzzi, and all other up-to-the-minute luxury services. In actual fact, the influx of residents and high-tech companies moving into Marina Sky Towers naturally necessitates play and rest areas, stimulating entertainment, fine restaurants and vibrant pedestrian zones.


Marina Sky Towers' vision is a true mixed-use society, a density hub and an environment that fosters serenity, creativity and prosperity.

[ZZ-II]

the towers are better now but the base is still too big IMO

[Dan Hochhaus]

^^ ...and the towers too small now for the base, they look a bit bulky now. I would've preferred one single supertall tower here instead. :no:

[ZZ-II]

i prefer the twins, the plot is big enough

[MKTJ]

the towers are better now but the base is still too big IMO

you are so right ...

but they decreased the the storeys from 119 to 60 ?!!! thats alot :ohno:
and the bloody base still big :bash:

[germantower]

It´s a great improvement that we could take the thread from the supertalls section to the highrise section, the icing on the cake would be a movemet from the higrise section to the never built section and a new thread that discuss a square construction or a marina park....in the UAE Dubai Marina section of this forum....

[Stephan23]

By jarmenkell

Thx a lot

http://i38.tinypic.com/2rwu8he.jpg

[zander0501]

hello there! Jippieh its now a Highrise, a small sweet highrise... LOL

^^I vote for:
...built it in future, another place, same great Design for a Singletower (around <140 Floors) / or a Twintower-Version (with max 100 Floors at Sheikh Zayed Road) (not the 3xTower-Version).

I Say: "First: Built the Pentominium, Second: Built the other Towers around them, in one Year we can show the site again and make further Plans."

I Think: The Plot of the Marina Sky Towers are a good Future-Development-Site for the Marina Arcaden Shopping Mall "EXTENSIONS", build them on Level 5 over the Street trough the Plot of Marina Sky Towers with Water-Connection. The Area is $$$... in Future (5 Years...)

[gwool1sc]

Not too many people seem to approve, but I love the scale model of it.

[Senju]

So when are they going to start building this 120 story supertall?

[Zollern]

^^
It went from 120 to 60 floors nine or ten months ago. It's also in the thread title.

[droneriot]

the towers are better now but the base is still too big IMO
I think it'll look better in real life.