Těm komunistům bych normálně nakopal...
:ohno::bash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFOwPrpY-Vs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcF9ZC1Kkc8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I1TFyJ3F3E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfTG7aRouk&feature=related

kokos, fakt sila, hlavne tie kecy v poslednom videu.

ale novy topic si kvoli tomu nemusel zakladat :) Most nema ziaden vlastny? ked nie tak by sa toto dalo premenovat a supnut pod Your Cities alebo tak..

kokos, fakt sila, hlavne tie kecy v poslednom videu.

ale novy topic si kvoli tomu nemusel zakladat :) Most nema ziaden vlastny? ked nie tak by sa toto dalo premenovat a supnut pod Your Cities alebo tak..

Já to myslel jako téma, které se zaobírá domy,městy, které už tady nejsou...

Nice city it was. Very nice, it even reminds me old Bratislava (that "St. Martin's Cathedral" and "Synagogue" nearby). Also that "castle hill" and those old streets. I was shocked when I saw how they destroyed all the streets in a few seconds.

V každom prípade si ale myslím, že treba si pozrieť aj tie tri ďalšie videá, aby sme to chápali aj z druhej strany. Treba si uvedomiť, čo to všetko vlastne prinieslo ľuďom z tohto regiónu. My tu teraz doma môžeme mudrovať, že to robiť nemali, ale pre nich to bola príležitosť, priniesť tam prácu a peniaze. Za socializmu bol hnacou silou priemysel, za demokracie sú to služby. Ako sa vraví, sýty hladnému neverí, ale ľudia vtedy zrejme nemali veľa možností, čo robiť v starom Moste. Áno, bolo by pekné, keby všetky budovy boli pekne zrekonštruované a vymaľované. Ale z čoho? Bolo potrebné ťažiť, aby boli peniaze na rozvoj a rozvoj bola výstavba na tie časy moderných sídlisk. Ľudia to vtedy zrejme brali ako dnešné developerské projekty, kde namiesto starých schátraných budov z Rakúsko-Uhorska postavili moderné socialistické oblasti. Dnes tieto oblasti búrame a staviame moderné demokratické polyfunkčné centrá.

Takže asi takto by som sa na to pozeral. Za veľké plus považujem to, že v tých imho nie ľahkých časoch dokázali zachrániť historickú gotickú pamiatku. Históriu bohužiaľ nezmeníme, no môžeme sa z nej poučiť, hoci nie vždy je to úplne možné.

That's nice thread. However he should create it in Russian section of this forum.

We should have million US radar bases in Brdy, not only one to prevent such a terrible devastation! I've never seen anything like that before. Ahh, the communists and socialists. Kill'em all!

Brüx should be reconstructed to its past glory like Dresden, for example. But not only few buildings, but the whole city and on the same place it was.

see below

^^agreed. I'll be the first one to send a contribution for that. They should show this video to every school kid (just like they show Schindler's list to all kids in Germany) as a memento to what happens when a country is run by the proletariat.

^^agreed. I'll be the first one to send a contribution for that. They should show this video to every school kid (just like they show Schindler's list to all kids in Germany) as a memento to what happens when a country is run by the proletariat.

100% agree.

Bolo potrebné ťažiť, aby boli peniaze na rozvoj a rozvoj bola výstavba na tie časy moderných sídlisk. Ľudia to vtedy zrejme brali ako dnešné developerské projekty, kde namiesto starých schátraných budov z Rakúsko-Uhorska postavili moderné socialistické oblasti.

Neměl bys tolik věřit komunistické propagandě. Lidi tehdy nebyli idioti, tedy aspoň velká část z nich, a moc dobře dokázali rozpoznat, že socialistické sídliště je výrazně hnusnější urbanistický útvar, než staré organicky rostlé město. Sídliště měla, co já vím, vždy stejnou pověst jako dnes. Čili pověst nevzhledných králikáren s nedostatkem služeb a mizernou veřejnou infrastrukturou s množstvím stavebních závad a nedodělků. Kdo mohl, utíkal jinam.

Co se ekonomické nezbytnosti těžby uhlí týče, kdyby nebyl soudruhům vzorem Sovětský svaz a neorientovali by uměle původně spotřebitelsky zaměřenou ekonomiku, jíž dominoval lehký průmysl, na mnohem méně sofistikovaný, leč energeticky náročný těžký průmysl, nebyla by ta potřeba uhlí tak urgentní (jestli vůbec urgentní byla). Tohle lidé tehdy věděli taky. A co by dělali lidé v Mostě? Mohli by třeba vyrábět Škodu 720 (http://auto.idnes.cz/auto_ojetiny.asp?r=auto_ojetiny&c=A050926_183747_auto_ojetiny_fdv), jejíž výrobu komunisti zazdili (chyběli peníze na výstavbu výrobní linky; nepatrný obnos v porovnání s tím, co se vrazilo do výstavby nového Mostu).

To ako sa narod dokaze stotoznit minulostou predurcuje jeho buducnost.

^^agreed. I'll be the first one to send a contribution for that. They should show this video to every school kid (just like they show Schindler's list to all kids in Germany) as a memento to what happens when a country is run by the proletariat.
I hate to disappoint you guys but there are plenty of examples of such things happening under capitalism - for mining, dams etc. More to do with politics and money generally than ideology. Maybe "development ideology".

I hate to disappoint you guys but there are plenty of examples of such things happening under capitalism - for mining, dams etc. More to do with politics and money generally than ideology. Maybe "development ideology".

This is what I was talking about. For example, in Bratislava, they destroyed the historical industrial buildings for the new polyfunctional buildings.

:( normalne mi je doplacu...to je 2x horsie ako to co sa stalo v BA

I hate to disappoint you guys but there are plenty of examples of such things happening under capitalism - for mining, dams etc. More to do with politics and money generally than ideology. Maybe "development ideology".

Not on this scale. In capitalism every building has an owner, in democracy this owner has many means how to resist the state or a corporation trying to expropriate him. Citizens have plenty of tools how to thwart any grand project they disagree with.

It's hard to push through a new motorway these days, not to mention a dam or a mine extension that would require demolition of a small village (see Horní Jiřetín (http://www.praguepost.com/articles/2005/07/13/mining-for-trouble.php) case).

In communism on the other hand, the state was above everything. The state was your landlord, your employer, the owner of the corner shop, you did your daily shopping, barkeeper of the place you drank your evening pint, it run schools from kindergarten to universities, cinemas, simply everything.

When the state rulers decided your house is on a collision course with the path to the bright future as envisioned by them, you were screwed. You were relocated to a place of their choice. No compensations, no room for protests. A bit different cup of tea from today.

Not on this scale. In capitalism every building has an owner, in democracy this owner has many means how to resist the state or a corporation trying to expropriate him. Citizens have plenty of tools how to thwart any grand project they disagree with.

Thats just a camouflage. If you dont sell your land when they build motorway/railway/channel/etc over it in the second run,the governments use a special tool called expropriation. No matter what you want,your land/house/industrial plant will be seized. The only difference between the 2 systems are those laws that give you the powers you mentioned(which you didnt have in the past regime),but the gov also got a law that states if this investment is deemed necessary for the country/city/settlement, it can overrule you.

Thats just a camouflage. If you dont sell your land when they build motorway/railway/channel/etc over it in the second run,the governments use a special tool called expropriation. No matter what you want,your land/house/industrial plant will be seized. The only difference between the 2 systems are those laws that give you the powers you mentioned(which you didnt have in the past regime),but the gov also got a law that states if this investment is deemed necessary for the country/city/settlement, it can overrule you.

The government can have the right to expropriate in certain cases but it is quite hard for them to push it through if the owner has a fancy-lawyer. No wonder why this peace of land hasn't been handed over for the construction yet at M0-East which is a pretty big-scale project. In capitalism individual rights are raised over common rights. No matter the investor has tons of money, if your lawyer is more kick-ass then theirs, you're in for it.

http://imagination.hu/bb/ssc/m0_determined.jpg

The government can have the right to expropriate in certain cases but it is quite hard for them to push it through if the owner has a fancy-lawyer. No wonder why this peace of land hasn't been handed over for the construction yet at M0-East which is a pretty big-scale project. In capitalism individual rights are raised over common rights. No matter the investor has tons of money, if your lawyer is more kick-ass then theirs, you're in for it.

http://imagination.hu/bb/ssc/m0_determined.jpg

This is similar to what happend during construction of motorway feeder I/11 Žilina - Brodno. One owner decided he wants for his unsettled property SKK 3.5 million (EUR 108,000) and two doublebedroom flats in Žilina. It was of course unacceptable but expropriation wasn't done before the construction so road before that house is narrowed on one lane and after it it's again two laned:

http://www.dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=434
http://www.dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=433
http://www.dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=431

Photos are from: http://www.dialnice.info/album_cat.php?cat_id=87

Both HiRazor and RawLee are right, but I agree it would have been much easier to do and more unpleasant for individual citizens under communism. tersyxus' photo is funny because it shows that apart from the legal battle there can also be psychological warfare! You excavate all the land around to make it so unpleasant for the landowner to think about staying there! BTW we have also lost whole towns to coalmining in Australia but nothing so historic as over there.

it is not only about coalmining, communists destroyed also vast regions for czech and soviet armies, like Ralsko or Brdy. Majority of the villages, abandoned by germans in 1946 (compare german and czech borderland now) were destroyed just because the regime wanted to strenghten its border with West Germany so they served as a targets for artillery.

it is not only about coalmining, communists destroyed also vast regions for czech and soviet armies, like Ralsko or Brdy. Majority of the villages, abandoned by germans in 1946 (compare german and czech borderland now) were destroyed just because the regime wanted to strenghten its border with West Germany so they served as a targets for artillery.

I don't think our military training areas are somehow destroyed regions. Actually, these areas are one of the best preserved in our country. At least in natural way :)

^^ Typický arogantní názor pražáka? Asi..

Villages and other landmarks destroyed and partly destroyed after 1945 (and that's not all yet):
http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title=

kupř. Kuřivody, u Ralska dříve, dnes tam stojí možná rozpadající se zámek a kostel..:
http://www.zanikleobce.cz/detail_img.php?i=6930

^^ Typický arogantní názor pražáka? Asi..

Villages and other landmarks destroyed and partly destroyed after 1945 (and that's not all yet):
http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title=

kupř. Kuřivody, u Ralska dříve, dnes tam stojí možná rozpadající se zámek a kostel..:

But, he is right. Border regions were one of the most preserved, naturally-wise and of course unless the border itself. For example in Slovakia one of the most untouched regions (better than some parts of National parks) are forests along river Morava which was on border between Czechoslovakia and Austria. And you are right as well, many villages in border regions were destroyed, although this is case of Czech Republic only, not Slovakia.

^^ Typický arogantní názor pražáka? Asi..

Villages and other landmarks destroyed and partly destroyed after 1945 (and that's not all yet):
http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title=

kupř. Kuřivody, u Ralska dříve, dnes tam stojí možná rozpadající se zámek a kostel..:
http://www.zanikleobce.cz/detail_img.php?i=6930

Já zas můžu říct, typické předsudky vůči pražákům :) Jak sem už řekl a zdůraznil, šlo mi především o "přírodní" stránku věci. Vůbec netvrdím, že zánik těchto obcí byla dobrá věc. Mimochodem, celá naše rodina pochází z Brd (Jince a okolí, babička dokonce svá první léta života prožila v jedné z těchto zaniklých vesnic), a velkou část svýho mládí sem strávil v okolí Jineckého (dnes Brdského) vojenského prostoru, ale co k tomu můžu co říkat, sem přece pražák...

http://www.dialnice.info/album_pic.php?pic_id=431

Photos are from: http://www.dialnice.info/album_cat.php?cat_id=87

Wow!
And I thouhgt such situations happen only in Poland:

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_070622/warszawa_a_1-1.F.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7765/1001087net0kb.jpg
Picrures googled

It's one of the most famous buildings in Warsaw. The authorities have been unable to broaden the road because of it for 20 years, and I'm not sure if they've done it by now.

^^Nice.:lol: You know, democracy is not perfect as well.:)

What's the reason for the destruction of that city?

coal mining

coal mining

Was it worth it?

ask commies...

I going to try and make some english subtitles for that documentary video...anyone interested in helping out by taking on portions of the video is welcome...
great so see a czech forum by the way.

http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/teksty/warszawa_070622/warszawa_a_1-1.F.jpg

Well, every system has its downsides. Democracy is more than majority rule. One of the things it’s about is protecting the rights of minorities. The guy, who owns this house is a special kind of minority, that should be protected - he is an individual. I believe that every individual has the right to defend its own house with any legal procedures that he deems necessary.

While it is obvious that the guy in Warsaw should be expropriated, because it is in the interest of the majority, it is only the City of Warsaw which has shown its incompetence in getting rid of the road blocking house. The guy does, what every one of us would do if one day it was decided to tore down our family houses. A system, which gives the right to appeal is the only righteous one and whether we like it or not, we should bare the consequences. For if we dont, the situation in Most could and will happen again.

We should have million US radar bases in Brdy,... Ahh, the communists and socialists. Kill'em all!
:ohno:
People of your kind are dangerous...

Stále som sa z tých videi nezpametal , behal mi mraz po chrbte. Ako niekto mohol zburat taky kus historie.Zoberme kladiva,zbijačky,buldozery,bagre,a podme zajtra na nový most oplatiť to komunistom..:lol:...

Akorát že nového Mostu by nebylo škoda a by by to spíš zasloužilý počin.