Just thought there should be a thread on this tower - so far the information is spread across everywhere.

A note on the address:
ACC documents say 19A-21 Waymouth Street
Culwulla's source says 11-29 Waymouth Street
So maybe there'll be other buildings on the site?

Height: 86m - Will be Adelaide's 6th tallest.
Levels: 20
Architect: Woods Bagot Architects Pty Ltd

Useage:
Basement carparking
2 levels of retail
18 levels of office

we need a rendering!

Approved last night!

great for adeliade! hopefully its not dodgey like those crappy apartments just approved! i hope its a nice glass building

The building will cost about $60 million to build. Sounds fairly large in size in terms of area per floor.

Hmmm, I'm now reading that the building is now 18 levels, not 20. 17 floors of office space, and ground floor retail.

From ACC:

Record Office Development Supported


Office development in the City is booming.

The Adelaide City Council's Development Assessment Panel tonight gave support to $86.8 million (at cost) worth of new office development - the largest amount approved on record for a single meeting of the Panel.

The Lord Mayor, Mr Michael Harbison, said he was tremendously excited by the renewed confidence being shown in the CBD by commercial property developers.

"This Council is keen to facilitate business growth in the City and has an outstanding record of support for appropriate developments particularly those which show environmental leadership," Mr Harbison said.

"Indeed, the Royal Australian Institute of Architects in its recently released Planning Assessment Survey Report for 2003 listed our Council as the most co-operative one in the State with the highest level of best practice planning procedures.

"This is a resounding endorsement of the efforts of Council staff and the members of this Panel who are committed to helping appropriate developments move ahead without any unnecessary delays.

"It also sends a very positive message to developers in the other States where they are facing increasing delays as a result of extra lodgement work, longer processing times, and unreasonable demands for additional information."

Tonight the City of Adelaide Development Assessment Panel:

supported a new 18 level office building at 11-29 Waymouth Street, a development worth $60m, with 17 levels for office, ground floor retail, plaza and basement carparking and total floor area of 26,364 sqm. It will be the first building in the State to be 5 star Australian Building Greenhouse Rated and only the second in Australia to achieve this rating
supported Admiral House at 151-159 Pirie Street, a nine level building worth more than $17m with 12,185 sqm of floor space, eight levels of office, ground floor retail and basement carparking
approved 53-59 Carrington Street, a five level mixed use retail, office and residential building with basement carparking and floor area of 3113 sqm worth $4.5m
approved the redevelopment of the former Taxation Office at 65-73 King William Street, converting an existing 19 floor vacant office building into 126 residential apartments ranging in size from 72sqm to 93 sqm, with ground floor retail, worth $5m
According to the Lord Mayor with the underlying demand for office space in the CBD - the second highest in the country - and reports of investors actively pursuing owners to sell, premium grade stock in short supply (1.6 per cent vacancy rate) and signs of land-banking by developers and speculators, the development of new office properties is likely to continue for some time. "These new developments could cater for more than 300 additional City workers and this would significantly enhance City vitality and prosperity," Mr Harbison said.

FUUUUUCK!!! Did anyone else see the renders on channel 10 news just then??? It's huuuuge!!!! The north and south sides of the tower extend up to these large blades, and judging by the render, easily over 100m tall. The tower looks as tall as one and a half of the Advertiser building. Plus it's all glass!!! Green glass!!! FUUCK it looks horn!!! The render was form the Vic square side, along with the Bentham st Apartments, that side of the skyline will be bulked up very very nicely!!!!

Calm down Daniel, calm down......

Shit it looks huge from Victoria Square and Pirie Street renderings shown on Ten! It's definetely over double the height of the Advertiser Building as it will become it's neighbour. Completely covered in glass, and a fairly long building with large fins extending from the top of the building. It's going to be Australia's second building by Australian Building Greenhouse rated 5 stars. Some old buildings will be demolished as a result.

Where's CUL, I'm wondering what the height of the building is now.

Yeah where are ya Cul??? I WANT THAT RENDER!! IT LOOKED AWESOME!! To hazzard a guess, I'd say the height looked about 115-120m!!!!

Imagine what it would look like from here:
http://www.urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2002-12-03/picture016_std.jpg

And here:
http://www.urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2003-05-20/picture046_std.jpg

FAAARK, all I can say is FAAARK!!! Cannot wait for this bitch to start!!! FAAARK!!!

I missed it! I fucking missed it! Details bitches, DETAILS!!!!!!!

Let's hope our good friends at the ABC report it too.

Originally posted by yob
I missed it! I fucking missed it! Details bitches, DETAILS!!!!!!!

Nup not gonna tell you.........


:angel1:


Well from what I could tell from the render is it's north and south sides are total dark greeny blue glass which extend much higher than the roof forming these large blades. It's twice the height of the Advertiser building, of which I have been told is getting a makeover. the lift cores look like they are at each end of the building. That's alls I can remember, but FAAAAARK it looked horn!!!

This is seriously good shit. We are definatley in the midst of a boom. I don't know which project to be more excited about, this one or the Bentham St Apartments!

i contacted woods bagot this morning at they quoted these heights>
height to roof-76m
height to blades-86m.
So maybe rendering makes it look alot higher than it is? but the Advertiser bldg is 40m, so this is actually double the height!
cheers

Any word on the Bentham St tower cul???

Good news, this won't be the biggest building (or second biggest for that matter) on the Advertiser Block. In today's Commercial and Industrial review this week, they said on the article "City limits ready to reach new heights" the following about the building:

Caversham Properties lodged an application to build an 18-storey office tower next to The Advertiser building in Waymouth Street. This is intended to form the first component of the intergrated redevelopment of the area bounded by King William, Waymouth, Bentham and Franklin Streets.

Originally posted by AG
Good news, this won't be the biggest building (or second biggest for that matter) on the Advertiser Block. In today's Commercial and Industrial review this week, they said on the article "City limits ready to reach new heights" the following about the building:

Caversham Properties lodged an application to build an 18-storey office tower next to The Advertiser building in Waymouth Street. This is intended to form the first component of the intergrated redevelopment of the area bounded by King William, Waymouth, Bentham and Franklin Streets.
the planner told me there would be more buildimgs on the site but these will be low rise but very large!! up to 8 storeys (i think).

pikey. still waiting for plans on betham st. ill let you know accurate height and post pic of elevation when it comes in.
cheers

Originally posted by CULWULLA
the planner told me there would be more buildimgs on the site but these will be low rise but very large!! up to 8 storeys (i think).

pikey. still waiting for plans on betham st. ill let you know accurate height and post pic of elevation when it comes in.
cheers
one of the other bldgs on the site is the 16level office tower (first 7 levels carpark). known as 102-114 waymouth st.

Cul: 102-114 is not part of the Advertiser block - it's almost on Light Square.

Anyway, here's some out-of-character NIMBYism from the City Messenger. It had a rendering of the new tower, but it was so small and blurry I didn't bother keeping it.

More History Goes
19th Century buildings to make way for Waymouth office tower
By RENATO CASTELLO
The City Messenger, 1/10/03, Page 3.

ADELAIDE will lose more of its historic identity under a $60 million office tower proposed for Waymouth St.
An 18-storey office block, earmarked for the block behind The Advertiser building, involves the demolition of 19th Century buildings from 11-29 Waymouth St.
The project has incurred the wrath of city councillor Sue Clearihan and Carrington St solicitor Phillip Broderick,
"We are about to lose one of Adelaide's last remaining character industrial precincts, complete with its 19th Century laneways and buildings," Mr Broderick wrote to The City Messenger.
"It is destined to be bulldozed. Then think Melbourne and they would keep it." The 18-storey tower, between Advertiser Place and Post Office Place, would include ground floor retail and a central plaza.
Mr Broderick said the development should be placed west of Post Office Place and the old Advertiser "Art Deco" Print house should be converted to apartments.
Cr Clearihan said the city would lose the potential to create a precinct with as "much character as the East and West Ends".
"We're throwing away an opportunity to have developed an area that Sydney and Melbourne would never have let go," she told last week's development assessment panel (DAP) meeting.
After the meeting, she told The City Messenger the council should have worked harder to ensure a "win-win" situation with the developer.
"We could have combined the old and new and showcased a living history of the newspaper era."
News Ltd, the owner of The Advertiser and The City Messenger, does not own the site although a new Advertiser office building is incorporated in the plans.
Woods Bagot, on behalf of developers the Caversham Properties, said Caversham was not commenting on the project until it was approved by the Development Assessment Commission.

Ok then, I'll fix it, Alls they need to do is build a 30m glass podium, encompassing the old buildings, preserving them, so to speak, whack a few plants there, a couple levels of mezzanine retail floors, and then on top your 18 levels of office space, thus making the total height 114.5m!!

Easy peasy

I really like heritage buildings and generally support them, but the old buildings in question do not really deserve the title of a heritage building.

Not only are they not from the 19th century, they are actually from the 1920's and 1930's. Apart from a 5 level white brick building behind the advertiser building, the other structures on the site do not really contain much architectural merit.


I believe cities such as Sydney or Melbourne would have demolished these buildings a long time ago.

The proposed building is of a higher degree of architectural merit than the present structures, therefore it makes the existing buildings irrelevant and not woth keeping.

IMO, I believe that the new building should replace the current buildings on it's site, but the facades of the current buildings should be incorperated into the design of the building.

Originally posted by AG
IMO, I believe that the new building should replace the current buildings on it's site, but the facades of the current buildings should be incorperated into the design of the building.

I disagree with you on that one AG.

Retaining the facades of old buildings was really popular back in the 80's, but it actually looks really shite.

You only have to go down Grenfell street to see how bad it looks.

Readers feedback in City Messenger:

Be angry about Waymouth plan

WE ARE about to lose one of Adelaide's last remaining character industrial precincts, complete with its 19th Century laneways and buildings.
The site of this 1960s thinking is bounded by King William, Waymouth, Bentham and Franklin Streets.
Go there. Walk around Post Office Place and Advertiser Lane. It is destined to be bulldozed.
Then think Melbourne, where they would keep it. Think of warehouse apartments in the old Advertiser art deco printhouse, with public spaces at ground floor level, creating a precinct that could reflect the heritage. A precinct that is as distinctively different as the East End and West End. A mix of recycled old Adelaide, with the new high rise sympathetically woven in west of Post Office Place.
Make sure you photograph the low-rise late 19th century cream group of buildings at 11-29 Waymouth Street, as they are going as well. They are all good buildings which should stay. They have a strong history of Adelaide identity.
Do not bother going to State Heritage. They would not want to know about it, as the proposal is a large commercial exercise.
State Heritage may suggest you talk to the city council but it is involved in this as well, selling roads to assist the project, although the councillors might reconsider if pressed.
Then go along to Development Assessment Commission and ask to see the plans.
Note the 20-storey towers blocks, one right where the cream buildings are on Waymouth Street. Ask to see the Adelaide Development Plan for those precincts. Note the DP seeks a 40 degree cutoff angle from the northern footpath over this little group. We will get 20 storeys right on Waymouth Street.
Note the plaza in the shadow of a 20 storey tower block. The sort of place the public avoid.
The proposed plaza is a nonsense next to Victoria Square. It means the developers have too much land. Have we learnt nothing from the 60s to 80s of urban mistakes in our city?
We are to have a "hotel" and office block destroying some of our Post Office heritage.
Ask DAC and city councillers why?
It doesn't need to go according to the same old Adelaide script. The proposed concepts are dated and the planning system is too passive and reactive to say no, although it could do, with enough objection.
There could be an acceptable solution if Ministers Weatherill, Hill and Lord Mayor Michael Harbison called in the applicant and said we want something different, something better, that still works.
We should be angry and vocal. Otherwise we are going to lose the grain and character of more of old Adelaide for a bit of new Singapore.
What a pity, again.

Phillip Broderick
Carrington Street

Philip Broderick - go invent yourself a time machine and get back to the 1920's you ignorant, anti progressive useless piece of shit. I found a garden shed in a backyard which hasn't been opened in 20 years. Write a letter complaining about that you fucking tool!!

Sorry but these morons really fuck me off!

Actually, I'm not totally against that message, I do agree that we should incorporate the facades of the current buildings on the site as a reminder of past and current. Instead of moving the building further down Waymouth Street, the building should still be built the way it is planned, but keep the old facades in front of the building. It maintains both the heritage streetscape while being economically responsible, and this is the best solution, IMO. Why throw away an important reminder of our past when we can keep it?

Dude have even seen the buildings in question???? They are nothing special at all. Very boring indeed. Just because it is old doesn't mean it has major signifigance.

Level 'em, and bring in the cranes!!!

The way the buildings appear is one thing, the history of the place is another. It is important to the history of newspapers in Adelaide. They reflect it. The old printhouse of The Advertiser is one of those buildings among the lot for demolition.

Originally posted by AG
The way the buildings appear is one thing, the history of the place is another. It is important to the history of newspapers in Adelaide. They reflect it. The old printhouse of The Advertiser is one of those buildings among the lot for demolition.

You're quite an expert on the history of newspapers in Adelaide, eh?

Hindley St has about 10 times more significance to newspapers in Adelaide than those dodgy little buildings in Waymouth St.

(AG probably took this as me paying him out - but it is a fact. Adelaide's first ever newspapers were published out of offices in Hindley St, not Waymouth).

I have a question for you AG, oh protector of Heritage. You seem so supportive of redeveloping the whole of Victoria Squre, but wait a second... the history of the place, don't you understand that area's historical significance to South Australian politics? And you just want to build all over it?

Originally posted by yob
I have a question for you AG, oh protector of Heritage. You seem so supportive of redeveloping the whole of Victoria Squre, but wait a second... the history of the place, don't you understand that area's historical significance to South Australian politics? And you just want to build all over it?

Some things are worth keeping, others are not. Your point? It would be great to have some respect for others opinions, yob, rather than bag them all the time. I have my own opinions on Adelaide, just about everyone does, and those opinions should be respected.

Originally posted by AG
Some things are worth keeping, others are not. Your point? It would be great to have some respect for others opinions, yob, rather than bag them all the time. I have my own opinions on Adelaide, just about everyone does, and those opinions should be respected.

I take that as a "no" - you don't understand the significance of Victoria Square in South Australian history. (you have not answered the question, I have no choice but to assume that). Therefore, any claim you have to arguing in favour of "heritage" is moot - as you don't actually understand SA history enough to understand what the heritage is.

Hell, let's throw up an argument of what heritage is. AG, do you consider the site of parliament house as a part of our heritage?

theres a difference between historical heritage and significant heritage buildings. ie. some are restored to preserve a signifacant place from the past and some just because they are stunning buildings.... not sure if these buildings come under any of those categories

These buildings would go under historical heritage.

Yob, you have a habit of going off topic and going too far. Until you learn to stop this sort of thing, I will be ignoring you. I'll say this much: Parliament House is a part of South Australia's heritage, though it wouldn't be worth heritage listing, because noone is going to develop on such an important site. Keep to the topic of 11-29 Waymouth Street, not heritage as a broad topic.

I don't think it was too far off topic. The discussion was about the significance of buildings and whether or not they are heritage "able". He brought up a few examples, that's all.

Either way, hopefully, bye bye old buildings and hello glorious glass!!

glass buildings are great and all but a city gets prettty boring and sterile if thats all its got you need to retain some heritage... though Im not sure what its like in adeliade? perth has lost some gems to new development and now we regret chopping them down...

Having lived a while in all mainland capitals,one gets an insight into the way locals think.Perth is a very proud city that has an eye on the future and is really going places.It has the best of everything. Adelaide is a city living on its laurels,with a mindset problem,that argues about what is wheat and what is chaff.Is it any wonder that Adelaide is old hat!>(

Having lived a while in all mainland capitals,one gets an insight into the way locals think.Perth is a very proud city that has an eye on the future and is really going places.It has the best of everything. Adelaide is a city living on its laurels,with a mindset problem,that argues about what is wheat and what is chaff.Is it any wonder that Adelaide is old hat!

sure your not mixing up perth with an eastern states city?

Having lived and worked in all mainland capital cities one gets an idea of the thinking of its citizens.Perth is proud,with an eye on the future and has blossomed in the last few years.It has an atmosphere of confidence and success. Adelaide is a city with a mindset problem,wanting to live on its laurels.People argue over what is wheat and what is chaff.It is old hat from another era,and so it has declined into a backwater.Whatever is new or successful in Adelaide is because of influence by 'outsiders'

Chris there are still plenty of fantastic heritage buildings in Adelaide. Trust me, these buildings that are making way for the tower, aren't that special at all.

I don't understand why the City Messenger keeps reffering to the old buildings in question as being from the 19th century?

I hope this is not an attempted scare campaign.

Most, if not all the buildings planned to be demolished are from the 1920's and 1930's.

I went down to see for myself, what the fuss is all about, and I have to say that the buildings in question are not worthy of heritage listing.

They are nothing special, the proposed glass tower would provide a much better streetscape.

I 100% agree with you will

Have any of you guys actually seen the proposal yet? I know pikey has, and so have I.

Something was going on at Waymouth Street this morning. There were some cranes and trucks lined up outside the Town Hall, and one truck with a crane on Waymouth Street outside number 11. It may be related to demolition of the buildings, but I am not certain.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid87/p8221ec3dccb3318deec5adaf54953f2f/faa4888a.jpg

Render of the tower, supplied by Chrisaus


:guns1:

Where does the rendering show the building from? :?

Edit: Looks like corner of King William and Waymouth/Pirie Streets. Also looks like they will redo the Advertiser Building as well.

That same render is in this week's (Wednesday's) City Messenger. I didn't bother keeping it because it didn't tell us anything we don't already know.

This development is a step closer today, as the ACC has declared that Advertiser Lane is to be closed to public use, and the lane will be transferred to Caversham Property Developments.

The buildings along the southern side of Waymouth Street have been fenced off, and the demolition process of the existing buildings to make way for the two new development along the street has begun.

Demolition for the Bentham Apartments have started too

The scaffold assembly is complete. It extends the entire height of the bye bye buildings and it is being covered in green mesh.
Also go for a wander down Bentham St. Last time I looked there was some drilling going on on a very small area, maybe the base for a tower crane starting??

Well, one of the buildings is gone already. The one next to it looks like it'll be torn down within a few days.

Incase anyone had forgotten what it looks like

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16994.jpg

hey guys



...i've tried hard to imagine what the visual impact this development will have from a Victoria Square aspect.


has anyone seen south-side renders of this sharp looker ??

It's over twice the height of the Advertiser Building, so if you've got a shot of the skyline from Vic square, double the "tiser building and you've got kind of an idea.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid108/pde42e50ea09859d01e196039fdc14d6f/f95011df.jpg

Just to give you some kind of an idea. The tall red one, obviously is the tower in question, the smaller one the Refubed height of the 'Tiser building. The blue tower is the approx height & location of the Bentham St Tower. A DA has been lodged for another 24 level tower in this block too, so as you can see good old Adelaide is in for some more beef!!! :guns1:

..thanks pikey


No need for me to look up any porn tonight !
thats one of the best pics, i've seen in a long while.
though, i just worry this new baby is going to block out the santos building.


..another 24 level building sure will beef up that part of Adelaide's cbd. but i must admit, i'd just prefer it if they built one fifty story stunner rather than two smaller buildings.

i've always thought, something like those two twin towers in calgary would suit adelaide--those twin buildings with the arched window and sloped slate roof.


once again, good stuff pike --onya!

The building at the 29 Waymouth Street end of the building site has been completely obliterated as of this weekend. The only building remaining to be demolished at 11 Waymouth Street should be up for demolition next weekend.

Construction should begin on the new building in the weeks following the last demolition on the block.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/50162729.jpg

Just to show that One building is down, one more to go!!!!

Looks like they are gonna demolish this building like the ones at the Woodard House end of the block, they are already placing scaffolding around the front of the building.

Before the SA section of the forum is closed due to lack of interest, I'd thought I'd post that the demolition of the 5 level building is well under way.

Back to sleep everybody.

Before the SA section of the forum is closed due to lack of interest, I'd thought I'd post that the demolition of the 5 level building is well under way.

Back to sleep everybody.

They only seem to have put the scaffolding up. Meanwhile the hole next door is getting deeper...

Alot of internal work is being done. You can see it if you look close enough

Before the SA section of the forum is closed due to lack of interest, I'd thought I'd post that the demolition of the 5 level building is well under way.

Back to sleep everybody.

hey hey hey!....I'm very interested in what's goin on in Ol' Adelaide whilst i'm stuck in Melbourne. I always check in here for a gander, if I can add something I will (kinda hard from 800km away!), but appreciate the efforts of all of you guys in keeping us expats in touch (thank god my local Safeway :( has FUIC! :) ) Now if only I could convince someone to start a pie cart with a pie floater!

Before the SA section of the forum is closed due to lack of interest, I'd thought I'd post that the demolition of the 5 level building is well under way.

Back to sleep everybody.

Yeah seriously, Maybe I should have turned off the lights when I left.

A temporary crane has been brought up on site this morning. This may be related to the demolition of the remaining building on site.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid113/p9438826290947bfafe1ce02468bd21c9/f8e8653b.jpg

The big antenna on top of the building under demolition has been removed, that's why the big fuck off crane was there

I think the fist tower crane base is in. Black one. There was plenty of piling going on around the place. Do we think this is a crane base???

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/52786937.jpg

This is a great building. Very modern and its going to be huge for Adelaide. Yipeeeee :D

They've finally begun to rip into the top floor of the building. The bridge linking this to one of the other buildings has gone too.

Current progress (live):
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/allegra/all_4.jpg

A green tower crane base is on site, but not installed yet. I saw it wif me own peepers I did!

BTW go up Post Office place and look through the mesh fence, uninteruped view of the whole site!

Can you give me a pic of the development?

The crane base is installed. It's in the corner furtherest from the GPO, if that makes sense.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/58377673.jpg
http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/58377726.jpg
http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/58377689.jpg

Gett'n there

The Building at 11 Waymouth Street has finally been completely torn down after sitting there half demolished for ages.

I'm not entirely sure, but I think that the building behind 11 Waymouth is also being demolished as well.

Yep, it is. The core is really starting to take shape now.

Incase anyone had forgotten what it looks like

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16994.jpg

say it yob, SAY IT!!!

the facade is ......

:)

great project!

I'm not entirely sure, but I think that the building behind 11 Waymouth is also being demolished as well.

Yeah, I think this will be the location for the central courtyard area

Checked it out yesterday, just after I paid the deposit for our first block of land (YEEE FARKEN HAAAA!) and the core has been constructed!

Yep it's all happening now :) , looks a bit like the reo rods for the pillars have also gone in

I'm just surprised that the 5 levels are expected to take in excess of a year to construct. Must be down to the complexity of the 'green' technology

http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/allegra/all_4.jpg

Did anyone see tonights Ten news?

I didn't catch the entire story, however it appears as if six or seven towers will be built around the site. Most of them appear to be around the 70m mark. They all look similar to the building currently U/C behind the Advertiser building.

IT's on channel 9 news in a few minutes.

Holy fucking crap the development is HUGE!

I think I saw 5 scrapers, and the post office is being redeveloped into a hotel!

WOW!! Can't wait to see the renderings. Sounds like the block is destined to be kind of like the Adelaide equivalent of Sydney's World Square :D :cheers:

Auch mein gott, boxhead for fuck me, what a development!!! You gotta see the renders. THey looked awesome on ch.7. I counted 6 scrapers. 2 apartment buildings will front franklin st, and they looked Bentham st height!!!

The corebox has been assembled for the Adv. Building. Yay.

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16994.jpg

WOW, that is great :D

Problem is, we'll never see that angle in real life, as they haven't included the building opposite which is obscuring our view of the new building... :P

Looks like Multiplex have jumped on board. So City Central one will have Black & White cranes.....

http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/waymouth/way_4.jpg

Looks like Multiplex have jumped on board. So City Central one will have Black & White cranes.....

http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/waymouth/way_4.jpg
but in the above pics the crane footing is green and i can see a b&H logo.

There's 2 different construction sites there - the green crane is on the advertiser site, and I think Pikey's saying that multiplex are diong the city one tower.

Look to the middle left of the above pic, you'll see a big multiplex sign.

Also it looks as if the first floor for the 'tiser building is being poured!

Hey hey, look at that. We have Floor number 1!
I'm hanging out for a bit of cladding to go up, maybe after #2?

You can clearly see the Multiplex sign here.

http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/fad/fad_2.jpg

Multiplex are really making their presence felt here in Adelaide, with this project plus 2 others in the CBD.

The foundations of the old building have now been trucked away and digging has begun on City Central 1 now. IIRC, the underground floor(s) were designed for parking.

The green B&H crane is being put up as we speak.

As you can see here

]http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/allegra/all_4.jpg

Wrong building pikey! That green crane is for the Advertiser's new building, not City Central 1.

Yeah, I considered this thread the discussion thread for all construction for all of the City Central Precinct. 2 Cranes for City1 should be up and swinging within a month, according to a foreman I spoke to today

The green B&H crane is being put up as we speak.
tobacco companies getting into the construction game? What next? :P

;)

/sarcasm

Arm is being attached this morning

Done and done. I'll upload a pic tommorow

I can see the bastard-arm-of-death from my train! :D

The mofo from the allegra (http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/buildingview.asp?camera=allegra)

I'm assuming this is the one poking out from behind Santos when viewing the skyline from the North?

http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-08-23/picture%20051_std.jpg

http://urbanmelbourne.com/adelaide/2004-08-23/picture%20052_std.jpg

my offering

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/64473542.jpg
http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/64473506.jpg

I'm desperately working on getting the most up to date renders of the whole development sent to me.

No promises, but hopefully I'll be back with something soon.

:cheers:

That's one huge erection!

WOW! The cranes huge! At full erection you can see it from Sir Donald Bradman Boulevard, that means that its around 95m high, as it rises above the Telstra Exchange. I'm actually surprised by the largeness of the crane, wasn't expecting something so large for a 25m building.

95m is a bit high an estimate don't you think? I think it is a fair bit shorter than that, considering the building u/c isn't even 50m high. It sure doesn't even reach the top of Allegra, so I can't see how it is higher than the TEx.

I reckon it's about 75-85 m... you can see it from Adelaide Oval, I know that much...

I can tell you, at it's most vertical increment, this crane tops out at 108.73m exactly. This fact is from the crane driver himself, who I spoke to today, as he came down for a "break" (take a dump). Although it doesn't get to max vert all that often he said. The reason the boom is so long is due to the large size of the floorplates. The driver also said that the floor heights are just over 5 metres each.

If you go to the top of fullarton road Round about near scotch college, you can see that the crane tip is taller than telstra and grenfell.

Have a look at the city from west terrace and you'll get an idea as to what height some of the taller towers (City1) will roughly be.

Some clout to you storey Pikey. There is b/w 50-65m of boom in the crane (the lattice bit), most likey 58-64m, there is 13 towers at 3m high, a pedestal at 1.5 high and the crane deck at 2m high, so I add all that up to about just over 100m, depending exactly on how much boom is in it.

Thanks fav. Also, would you know anything about the Multiplex cranes that should be appearing next door to this site soon??

Nah, not yet. Chuck a photo of the starter legs or bottom tower on when it goes in, might give us some clues. How did u go looking at the number on the green one???????

Only time it would be standing right up will be to fuel up, for the operater to hook up/unhook his bag and if they are working right in against the tower.

It's actually hard to read from that height, but does 16 tonnes sound right???

It's actually hard to read from that height, but does 16 tonnes sound right???

Pikey, you are on it, 16t is right. The numbers on the crane where you read 16t from should be M380D (model of the crane) 16t (safe work load) and s/n.... something something something. That's the one I'm after. :)

I'll try and find out tonight for you after work then!

ok ok ok, your team won. how did you go with the number on the crane PIKEY??????????

JUST IN - RE-APPROVED TO 21 STORIES!!!!

21X4.25 PLUS PODIUM AND BLADE = 100M+ !!!!!!!

Checkout ACC website, dev registers for sept!!

CUL GET MORE INFO!!!!!

Also A New 17 Level OFFICE BuIlding For The Same Location Too!!!

What a coincidence. Only a few weeks ago I was reading somewhere that it was possible that existing proposals could be "upgraded" if demand increased. But who created the demand for extra space? Maybe Santos who plans to move from their current headquarters within a couple of years. :?

Yeah, I heard Santos is moving out and sitting themselves somewhere else, which might be a good thing for the city because the Santos building would be bought off quickly by businesses thus creating demand for higher occupancy, meaning taller buildings! Yip, Yip, Yipee.

There isn't a new building.

The Advertiser site always had 2 new office towers - one next door to the wankvertiser, and the other behind the post office. One of those office towers was ammended from 18 - 21 levels, the other was ammended from 18 levels to 17. IT's hard to tell which, because they're both listed under the adress "11-29 waymouth"

Notice that they're looking at putting a driving range on top of the old David Jones building. Not a bad idea that!

what?? driving range on top of the old david jones? that'll look really weird.. ehehe
cool idea though

ill contact ACC and see what planner has to say.
wish me luck

well the ACC planner got back to me with height details. the new 21storey office tower will be 82m to roof and 84m to plantroom.the basic office level is approx 3.7m per fl.
sorry i didnt have better news but it has come up nearly 10m in height but
blade is deleted from design.
as yob says. its one of two designs for same site.The devlopers will decide which to go with due to property markets.
cheers

and this is what's currently getting whacked up right next door

http://www.bh.com.au/images/projects/78ProjectsSlide.jpg

...choice! :banana2:

found out the glass blade has been reduced from 10m down to 2m, so it reaches 84m same as plantroom.
forgot to mention, work is to start on tower in Dec!
this is great news! 84m is nothing to be sneezed at!big chunk of a bldg too!

Now that is more great news for this wonderful lowrise city.

84m??? Not too bad. December start?? Cool. Multiplex engineers on site today discussing crane loactions??? Telling me that there will be two, maybe three cranes if available???? Even better!!!

That's one good looking lowrise up there. I wonder what the text along the facade says, I can't make it out.

From what I've heard, it's constantly changing, displaying news headlines. Gotta be some kind of a first?

For Adelaide, yes.

Talking bigger scale ducka. Aust wide???

I'd be suprised if it was.

7 Melbourne have a ticker on top of Young and Jacksons - but no, no Newspaper has a prime real estate spot unlike the fresh daily! Advertiser :)

I finally get this whole area now, very hard to imagine all the sites & individual towers by just reading this thread, but after walking around it for about 20 minutes yesterday, it is now clear that it'll be an uber-compact beef builder.

Also, I'd say WAY-CORE (the much oved Telstra exchange next to 'Algeria' (:D Duck)) is getting an upgrade, they'd ripped the shit through Waymouth Street yesterday and were laying 6 lots of new conduit! They'd just started to recover the road when I took this:

http://www.thehoddlegrid.net/tours/adl061104/adl22.jpg

no offence i don't like this building i like the glass but it doesnt look like its 76m.

I wouldn't take offence if you disliked it Phat, I think that's a good thing.

:D

no offence i don't like this building i like the glass but it doesnt look like its 76m.
phat. thats the lowrise bldg as part of the site. its approx 40m.

Phat doesn't like it? Geez, I didn't think it was that good :D

phat. thats the lowrise bldg as part of the site. its approx 40m.

Actually Cul it's only 5 storeys - I think it would be more like around 20-25m :)

Multiplex have opened up an office accross the road from the City Central site on Waymouth St.

Might be worth a visit to see if they'd allow anyone to view some renders - assuming of course that they're building more than just 19-21 Waymouth.

The talk of channel 7 moving to City Central may have a bit of truth in it. According to the Advertiser, the current channel 7 site could be redeveloped into a bunch of 3 storey terrace housing and low rise apartment buildings. However, it also mentions a possible move to Hindmarsh.

Suprised they're not moving to Sydney

The current CH7 site has already been sold off. CH7 stays until the end of their lease.



City's new $50m heartbeat
By Real Estate Editor LOUISE TRECCASI
06dec04
PLANS have been unveiled for a $50 million housing development on the Channel 7 site at Gilberton.

A development application for the 1.3ha site at 45-50 Park Tce is in the hands of Walkerville Council.

The project will be developed by new owners, Perth-based private property syndicate, Watersun Asset. It is designed by Adelaide-based architects Hassell.

The plans include:

TEN three-storey terrace houses, facing Park Tce

FIVE three-storey apartment buildings with 36 apartments, plus undercroft car parking

NINE vacant allotments covered by strict urban design guidelines for development by individuals.

The development is not expected to be completed until at least 2008 because of an existing leasing agreement with Channel 7.

Indicative house prices are likely to range between $700,000 and more than $2 million. The development will be based partly on the successful model housing project Subi Centro in Perth.

Subi Centro, about 3km from the Perth CBD, has transformed 80ha of derelict industrial land into a vibrant, cosmopolitan community. It boasts new housing, shopping and entertainment areas, office precincts and integrated recreation.

Watersun Asset bought the prime riverfront site, adjacent to Linear Park, in August for $9.35 million.

The site is one of the largest available in Adelaide's inner-city fringe.

Watersun Asset spokesperson Garry Garside said the site was a rare opportunity for people in Adelaide's exclusive inner-northern suburbs to move into an easily-managed and low-maintenance new home close to North Adelaide, the city and the parklands.

"This really is a unique location in terms of proximity to the city, facilities and open space," he said. "We are planning a unique housing solution in keeping with the scale of existing development along Park Tce which will make the most of those locational advantages."

Marketing agents Brock Harcourts expect strong demand from "empty-nest" baby boomers and older people seeking security or a planned community.

The site was sold by Sydney-based Adelaide Broadcast Property, a company associated with Rebel Property Group.

The sale was subject to an 18-month lease to give the network time to relocate to a new facility.

Seven corporate development director Simon Francis said the network was "actively seeking" a new location. He said the network had earmarked up to five sites across Adelaide – including one near the Entertainment Centre at Hindmarsh. "We are looking at making a decision early in the new year and migrating Channel 7 Adelaide into a new home within 18 months," he said.

Walkerville Council is expected to consider the application for the present site on December 13.

Well, as far as the 18 month time line shows, I'd say a new CBD tower is out of the questions.

Anywho, another angle of the 'tiser building.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/75797286.jpg

There's an article in today's 'tiser saying that City Central 1 has sold for an Adelaide record $143m.

It also states that demand for tenancies in the building has meant that it will now definately be 21, not 17 levels.

Yer saw that, certainly grabbed my attention. If thats the case re the extra 4 stories, it should hopefully be around the 100m mark! :) something around the height of the Grenfell centre maybe, that would be very nice.

Yer saw that, certainly grabbed my attention. If thats the case re the extra 4 stories, it should hopefully be around the 100m mark! :) something around the height of the Grenfell centre maybe, that would be very nice.

Scroll upwards mate. We already have details of the ammended height. The fin was shortened, and the floors are now only 3.7m high. Comes in at about 84m to the top of the fin now.

Cheers yob, paper bit slow, spose the selling of it was the headline.

Still not a bad height cant sniff at that.

I'm remaining positive about an upward height ammendment for the second tower. BAsed upon the huge response to the first building, with tenancies flying off the mark, it will give Caversham greater confidence in building higher for the second building.

Although, we got royally jipped on the first tower. Most new office towers are 4m fgloor height. And the fin got shortened? We got jipped out of a 21*4 + 6m fin tower! :)

Am I the only one who noticed that the Multiplex sign on the site, which was removed a while ago, has now been replaced by bouldies?

No Yob. Bauldies only put it up today? The jobs theirs.....

:doh:

lol 100m, god perth sucks ass compared to you guys, we get them approved but they never get built!

Also Piling work for CitiCentral 1 has started. Not too far off now

Told you so

http://pic10.picturetrail.com:80/VOL343/2004633/3879099/77397272.jpg

so this one now officially uc?

Yep!! Whack her up on SS.com

i havent really caught onto the info on this building, how tall is it going to be?

and is theis the 5 star green environmental friendly one?

21 levels - 84.5m

its gone from proposed to uc on ss.com. Its roof is 82m and blade is 84m.
@ 84m it will be Adelaides 6th tallest skyscraper!
cool

i havent really caught onto the info on this building, how tall is it going to be?

and is theis the 5 star green environmental friendly one?

It's in at almost 85m high. Yes, this is the 5 star green rated building.

just on height. i was told 84m by planner. have you seen plans or read 84.5 or 85m?
ill alter height if you can give proof.lol

its gone from proposed to uc on ss.com. Its roof is 82m and blade is 84m.
@ 84m it will be Adelaides 6th tallest skyscraper!
cool

And if it was built in Sydney, you wouldn't even notice it!

Me no complain!

Pikey, that's no piling rig. Geotech boreholes only.

84.5m?

boriiiing. thats not tall enough, cant we just ask for a 200m baby here PLEASE?

84.5m?

boriiiing. thats not tall enough, cant we just ask for a 200m baby here PLEASE?

No.

6th tallest skyscraper? since when do we have skyscrapers in adelaide and secondly i cant understand why u wrote cool..?? i am embarased to have a 84m building in out top ten biggest

^ hey i look at it as progress. Adelaide isnt Sydney or Melbourne! Its a great little city in SA. Its buildings reflect its size. An 84m skyscraper is BIG for a small city.end of story.why would you be embarassed? it isnt going in pitt st, sydney, its going in Waymouth st, Adelaide! and its the first of a few at this height!
very cool.

6th tallest skyscraper? since when do we have skyscrapers in adelaide and secondly i cant understand why u wrote cool..?? i am embarased to have a 84m building in out top ten biggest

There are actually a lot more cities out there in the world around the size of Adelaide that do not even have a building of this height. You seriously have to stop looking at these sort of things as if Adelaide is as big all the other large cities around the world. Buildings don't come as simply as just building them. We are not one of those Asian cities where the world's tallest has to be built in their city, even if it means building it without much care for other issues, though there is actually a lot of demand for these buildings in Asia as a lot of them are going through a boom. What is the point of building if you can't find enough tenants to occupy the building and make the building economically feasible?

Calm down. All i said was i am not thinking it is cool. Adelaide has the potential. We just dont use it. We have a shitty government that dosent plan for the future nor market the city well.

Giorgos, think outside the square, dude... This building is probably the best addition that our CBD has ever had. I guarantee you'd be happy with the end result.

We don't need mega height in this city, we need more density... ;)

two 200m towers would change the skyline dramatically. So densite isnt so much of a problem.

two 200m towers would change the skyline dramatically. So densite isnt so much of a problem.

Two 200m towers would not get filled or if by some miracle they did, they would cause the vacancy rates in other surrounding buildings to soar.

Mate, we have to accept our lot for now. Unless major initiatives are implemented and ran sucessfully to boost populaton growth with skilled migrants and further large scale investment, we will not come close to competing with the Eastern States for height.

The Capital City precinct is one of the biggest developments in this city's history and we should be ecstatic over it.

It doesn't mean that we have to accept that this will be it - long term, but for now, there's no use hoping for 200m+ towers that aren't coming or if they did, would do more harm than good.

Pikey, that's no piling rig. Geotech boreholes only.

Ok, cool. So I guess construction is not far away then?

Guys, can you get all of that stuff about how Adelaide needs bigger buildings, you know, all that whining stuff, and stick it up your asses? Ta.

Calm down. All i said was i am not thinking it is cool. Adelaide has the potential. We just dont use it. We have a shitty government that dosent plan for the future nor market the city well.

I agree with you there, but what direct connection has that got to do with anything related to having tall buildings? I'm glad we are getting a billion dollar project such as City Central. I'd prefer we'd fill the whole Adelaide CBD with tonnes of 15-20 storey buildings than one 200m tower with heaps of gaps and dead parts of the CBD which could be used better.

two 200m towers would change the skyline dramatically. So densite isnt so much of a problem.
remember the city height limit is 115m. and most of centre is 99m. So Santos will be tallest for a while. as for 200m?

Two 200m towers would not get filled or if by some miracle they did, they would cause the vacancy rates in other surrounding buildings to soar.

Mate, we have to accept our lot for now. Unless major initiatives are implemented and ran sucessfully to boost populaton growth with skilled migrants and further large scale investment, we will not come close to competing with the Eastern States for height.

The Capital City precinct is one of the biggest developments in this city's history and we should be ecstatic over it.

It doesn't mean that we have to accept that this will be it - long term, but for now, there's no use hoping for 200m+ towers that aren't coming or if they did, would do more harm than good.

totally agree. IMO this development is a good cut above a lot of the taller developments happening around the place in any case.
Incidentally, I don’t know if this has been mentioned already but it’s possible that two of the office towers for the site are about to commence construction judging by the recent DA approvals - one at 21 storeys and one at 17

http://www.adelaidecitycouncil.com/council/publications/Dev_Registers/registered/sep04_planapp_regsum.pdf

:)

Ok, cool. So I guess construction is not far away then?

Yes Sireee

im with giorgios on this, but..........

i agree having more denisty than two sticks in the sky.

adleiade would then be a distaster. more denisty, THEN sticks.

so cmon aussies cmon, what are we waiting for? fill up those spots with 99m towers!

and seriously, who built optus building? it is soooo oddly placed and is a fine example of a stick in the sky. it doesnt look good.

Two 200m towers would not get filled or if by some miracle they did, they would cause the vacancy rates in other surrounding buildings to soar.

Mate, we have to accept our lot for now. Unless major initiatives are implemented and ran sucessfully to boost populaton growth with skilled migrants and further large scale investment, we will not come close to competing with the Eastern States for height.

The Capital City precinct is one of the biggest developments in this city's history and we should be ecstatic over it.

It doesn't mean that we have to accept that this will be it - long term, but for now, there's no use hoping for 200m+ towers that aren't coming or if they did, would do more harm than good.

How in the world is that true? We seem to be getting a shitload of 80m towers. Are they to be filled? or are only 1 or two. I know why we build many midrise buildings in City Central
project , because of hight restrictions. But i am Sure that if a Building came along taller than the hight of santos, it would be approved. It is simply the fact that we dont and wont in the next 20 years get a proposal bigger than santos. I dont think we should densify first. If we buit a 200m tower now then our 'future' lets just say would be secure. Every1 is saying 'Densify then build vertically'. Who ever said that we would build vertically after densifing? we would probarbly have a shitload of office space thus stopping all high - midrise construction for a good 10years. Thats y i think get the big ones out of the way which WILL boost Commercial intrest. Then that will leave company wanting more building thus densifing the CBD. I dont know if you get it but what i am saying is if we densify now we might have too much office space. Instead of building 4 80m buildings just build 1 Multiuse 200m tower. Then with the industry stimulated by that new building build ur damn crappy 80m towers.......get me?

How in the world is that true? We seem to be getting a shitload of 80m towers. Are they to be filled? or are only 1 or two. I know why we build many midrise buildings in City Central
project , because of hight restrictions. But i am Sure that if a Building came along taller than the hight of santos, it would be approved. It is simply the fact that we dont and wont in the next 20 years get a proposal bigger than santos. I dont think we should densify first.

Of course they should be filled, otherwise they wouldn't have been proposed and approved in the first place. Building a tall building has many issues related to it such as congestion and extra traffic problems that they bring (also known as overdeveloping), shadow casting, costs and of course building codes in this case. Take a look at Dubai. Dubai is the result of going straight up without developing ground level. Looks great from a distance, dead at parts at street level, and some parts are still tonnes of desert right next to the downtown area!

If we buit a 200m tower now then our 'future' lets just say would be secure. Every1 is saying 'Densify then build vertically'. Who ever said that we would build vertically after densifing? we would probarbly have a shitload of office space thus stopping all high - midrise construction for a good 10years.

How is our future secured from building a 200m building? We don't exactly want to risk having an Empty State Building in the middle of the city. Putting less office space on the market at once is much less riskier than building all of it at once and then possibly have the prices per square metre plummet because of lacking demand for the rest of the market. That sort of thing is more likely to make the Adelaide office market (or residential) less attractive to potential buyers than more attractive.

Thats y i think get the big ones out of the way which WILL boost Commercial intrest. Then that will leave company wanting more building thus densifing the CBD. I dont know if you get it but what i am saying is if we densify now we might have too much office space. Instead of building 4 80m buildings just build 1 Multiuse 200m tower. Then with the industry stimulated by that new building build ur damn crappy 80m towers.......get me?

Unfortunately the office markets in the world don't work like that, except in the extremely rare occasion. It's build to supply for demand, not build to create demand. Over the next few years the demand for offices around Adelaide is likely to increase, particularly when the next major office boom is expected to begin in around 2007. For now most of the buildings going up a residential, and the number of approvals is now decreasing as the residential boom ends. It's not the general public who decide to build these things, its propety and development businesses such as Urban Construct who decide whether they want to design and build something or not.

Your point? Did u red my post properly? I said how can a lot of little 80m towers be filled and 1 200m multiuse tower cant? Obviously we have the demand for residential and Commercial development. What do you mean cause problems with shadowing? Ohh NOO!! Have you turned into an anti development Citizen As well? How many towers in the world are over 200m? Should we knock them all down because they 'tower' to high and cast shadows over the little asswipe protesters that hate skyscrapers? A change in the skyline would be better. Also u miss my point. I am Saying instead of building Densly NOW we should build up a bit that way we will know that we will have a Decent Skyscraper. what i tried to say was if we built to dense then that will eliminate the need in adelaide for Larger Buildings. People are thinking we will densify THEN build Verticaly. People dont get if we Build Dense now we wont ever build vertically. If your just trying to Argue dont bother but if your saying exactly what you want then Speak it. Do you not wont a few buildings to reshape our Tiny Skyline? All i said was 1 or 2 200m towers or 150 even would be good As opposed to 10 80m ones. Build Midrise after we get the highrise.

How in the world is that true? We seem to be getting a shitload of 80m towers. Are they to be filled? or are only 1 or two. I know why we build many midrise buildings in City Central
project , because of hight restrictions. But i am Sure that if a Building came along taller than the hight of santos, it would be approved. It is simply the fact that we dont and wont in the next 20 years get a proposal bigger than santos. I dont think we should densify first. If we buit a 200m tower now then our 'future' lets just say would be secure. Every1 is saying 'Densify then build vertically'. Who ever said that we would build vertically after densifing? we would probarbly have a shitload of office space thus stopping all high - midrise construction for a good 10years. Thats y i think get the big ones out of the way which WILL boost Commercial intrest. Then that will leave company wanting more building thus densifing the CBD. I dont know if you get it but what i am saying is if we densify now we might have too much office space. Instead of building 4 80m buildings just build 1 Multiuse 200m tower. Then with the industry stimulated by that new building build ur damn crappy 80m towers.......get me?

I get your point mate, I just disagee with you on the best way forward.

I would say that 3 80m towers would generate more commercial interest than 1 240m tower.

I don't think height restrictions are the major issue. The old capital city project was mooted for around 230m - and taken out of the ACC's hands by the Olson government.

One of the main issues to me is that for reasons such as naming rights, floor positioning etc, the smaller towers are a better option for now.

Don't get me wrong, I want some more height in this city, but it has to come in the right circumstances and at this stage, I'd rather the current city central plan than one huge building with empty surrounds.

Your point? Did u red my post properly? I said how can a lot of little 80m towers be filled and 1 200m multiuse tower cant? Obviously we have the demand for residential and Commercial development. What do you mean cause problems with shadowing? Ohh NOO!! Have you turned into an anti development Citizen As well? How many towers in the world are over 200m? Should we knock them all down because they 'tower' to high and cast shadows over the little asswipe protesters that hate skyscrapers? A change in the skyline would be better. Also u miss my point. I am Saying instead of building Densly NOW we should build up a bit that way we will know that we will have a Decent Skyscraper. what i tried to say was if we built to dense then that will eliminate the need in adelaide for Larger Buildings. People are thinking we will densify THEN build Verticaly. People dont get if we Build Dense now we wont ever build vertically. If your just trying to Argue dont bother but if your saying exactly what you want then Speak it. Do you not wont a few buildings to reshape our Tiny Skyline? All i said was 1 or 2 200m towers or 150 even would be good As opposed to 10 80m ones. Build Midrise after we get the highrise.

You obviously have little knowledge about planning procedures. What is one 200m tall building going to achieve? Solve all of Adelaide's problems like you believe? There's a fine line between those who want to see development occur properly, and those who are anti-develop minded. I'd rather see a city thrive with proper development and develop itself at street level rather than do a Dubai or Shanghai. You really need to see things more from the businesses perspective as well. Of course the developers are going to build lots of smaller towers than one larger tower because:
1. There's a whole block to develop, and they will use the space they can and
2. The businesses developing this land will make a bigger profit as it would cost less to build

Finally, I will leave you with a question. There's space south of Noarlunga which is still within the urban boundary, and the council wants you to develop for new residents. What are you going to do: Develop the land you can use for a new suburb, or develop one tower for all possible residents?

These 20ish level towers have generated a tonne of interstate and international interest. City Central 1 hasn't even been built yet, but it sold for a record price for an Adelaide office tower. Central CBD space is slowly being filled up, and maybe one day in the future a tower taller than Santos may be built, and all of your life problems will be solved!........

Lets keep this on topic thanks. This isn't the WA forum.

I agree with the idea that supply is generally driven by demand and several 80m towers makes more sense than 1 200m tower but there's also the intangible value of having a tall tower that will be recongnised as Adelaide's. Take for example the recent announcement of the world's tallest building to be built in dubai - it was major news around the world - this sort of media coverage is priceless. It's not necessarily all about economics, it also about perception. I personally believe the impression of a nice 200m building (dare I say, glass building) would do wonders for the image of this city than five 80m buildings. However, I'm still very pleased that we are getting some decent mid-rises.

Very few buildings over 200m in height are actually recognised worldwide, heck, even nationwide. The only people who would be able to identify such a building would be skyscraper fans (like here on this forum) and some Adelaideans who make up a minority of the developed world's population. I doubt much of the developed world's population would have even heard of Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai or Bankwest Tower in Perth. Not saying that I wouldn't like to see taller buildings built, but I'd like to see a better foundation for such development before these sort of building start going up.

fair call.

Very few buildings over 200m in height are actually recognised worldwide, heck, even nationwide. The only people who would be able to identify such a building would be skyscraper fans (like here on this forum) and some Adelaideans who make up a minority of the developed world's population. I doubt much of the developed world's population would have even heard of Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai or Bankwest Tower in Perth. Not saying that I wouldn't like to see taller buildings built, but I'd like to see a better foundation for such development before these sort of building start going up.lol even people on world forums still call bankwest, that big shiny triangle one, a big jump from 134m (santos) to say a 220m tower, i think you should have a few between 150-190m or so to make it look right.

why are we complaing over something thats not gunna happen soon?

everyone egts everyone elses points so leave it at that.

and whoever said not many 200m towers are regonised world wide? heck i can name tons plus me non-skyscraper fireds could name like 15... so surley adleiads be regonised.

why are we complaing over something thats not gunna happen soon?

everyone egts everyone elses points so leave it at that.

and whoever said not many 200m towers are regonised world wide? heck i can name tons plus me non-skyscraper fireds could name like 15... so surley adleiads be regonised.

15 out of over 250 really is not a lot you know.

lol.

Very few buildings over 200m in height are actually recognised worldwide, heck, even nationwide. The only people who would be able to identify such a building would be skyscraper fans (like here on this forum) and some Adelaideans who make up a minority of the developed world's population. I doubt much of the developed world's population would have even heard of Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai or Bankwest Tower in Perth. Not saying that I wouldn't like to see taller buildings built, but I'd like to see a better foundation for such development before these sort of building start going up.

Make it a stunning peice of architecture. get it designed by Santiago Calatrava! Have a HUGE opening fo the building it would atleast make national headlines ;)

Hardly earth shattering news, but still...

Baulderstones, who as most of you know, have taken over from Multiplex as builders of City Central One have opened up a site office just next to the King William St frontage of the Advertiser building.

There's a huge render of the development in the window, which gives you the best view yet of what's coming our way.

Looks fantastic.

Here's a pic from Baulderstone's site.

http://users.tpg.com.au/dnly00/images/78ProjectsSlide.jpg

Gotta love all that glass.

I think you're confused Al. The image is of the new Advertiser Building, which is nearly complete. CCT1 is still in the foundations stage.

Speaking of which, the foundations began pouring today, a few concrete trucks lined up on site.

I'm also still confused about parts of the City Central project. This is the building right:

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/CJ/CJ_16/300/CJ_16_28176_16994.jpg

?

Is the new Advertiser building part of this complex? Because I thought the shorter section of this building was the new Advertiser building, or am I completely on the wrong track aswell?

The shorter section is the OLD Advertiser Building that is currently next door to CCT1. The new Advertiser Building is a different development that is almost complete next door, but it is part of the same project, City Central.

The shorter section is the OLD Advertiser Building that is currently next door to CCT1. The new Advertiser Building is a different development that is almost complete next door, but it is part of the same project, City Central.


So the one that is currently under construction is not pictured in this photo right? ie. Nothing has actually started that is relevant to this photo.

So the one that is currently under construction is not pictured in this photo right? ie. Nothing has actually started that is relevant to this photo.

So much confusion!!

Let me hopefully clear it up. You are talking about two projects that have nothing to do with one another other than some land purchasing and common tenant.

The Advertiser + News Ltd Building is half way complete by Baulderstone to the west of City Central. The Advertiser/News Limited will relocate into this building upon completion, leaving their existing premises on the corner. The old building is depicted upgraded in the above render (left) as part of the City Central future master plan, however it not part of City Central Tower 1.

City Central Tower 1 is the 21 storey building alone on the right and is now underway with the commencement of retention piling for the basements. This building was going to be built by Multiplex, however Baulderstone secured the project before Xmas and has set up site offices in a building fronting King William Street which backs on to the site.

You're a champ Herc! Thanks for clearing that up for me. :okay:

no probs....... :cheers:

So much confusion!!

Let me hopefully clear it up. You are talking about two projects that have nothing to do with one another other than some land purchasing and common tenant.

The Advertiser + News Ltd Building is half way complete by Baulderstone to the west of City Central. The Advertiser/News Limited will relocate into this building upon completion, leaving their existing premises on the corner. The old building is depicted upgraded in the above render (left) as part of the City Central future master plan, however it not part of City Central Tower 1.

City Central Tower 1 is the 21 storey building alone on the right and is now underway with the commencement of retention piling for the basements. This building was going to be built by Multiplex, however Baulderstone secured the project before Xmas and has set up site offices in a building fronting King William Street which backs on to the site.


Hold on, I'm still confused. Some websites claim that City Central Tower 1 will be 18 storeys, whereas others claim it will be 21 storeys. Which is the correct height?

21 mate. Originally 17, but demand has pushed it up.

21 mate. Originally 17, but demand has pushed it up.

Excellent :) :cheers:

Hold on, I'm still confused. Some websites claim that City Central Tower 1 will be 18 storeys, whereas others claim it will be 21 storeys. Which is the correct height?

21 storeys. It used to be 17 (or some say 18) storeys on the original DA.

21 mate. Originally 17, but demand has pushed it up.


Thanks for clearing that one up for me, but know I'm curious as to how tall in metres 21 stories is? do you know?

Some info from BH regarding the contstruction of City Central 1

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Thank you for your interest.

The Project is a 21 Storey office tower and will be constructed over the next 2 years costing approximately $100m.
We are still in the design phase but have commenced piling and excavation on site.
In response to your queries, the lift core will be a jump form system and will lead the construction of the floor slabs 4 levels above. We aim to keep the core above the slabs to remove/minimise that activity from the critical path .
Our analysis shows the project requires two tower cranes with one *erected once the structure commences and a second a little time latter. These cranes will climb themselves up as the structure grows.

Regards

great info! sounds promising :)

Some info from BH regarding the contstruction of City Central 1

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Thank you for your interest.

The Project is a 21 Storey office tower and will be constructed over the next 2 years costing approximately $100m.
We are still in the design phase but have commenced piling and excavation on site.
In response to your queries, the lift core will be a jump form system and will lead the construction of the floor slabs 4 levels above. We aim to keep the core above the slabs to remove/minimise that activity from the critical path .
Our analysis shows the project requires two tower cranes with one *erected once the structure commences and a second a little time latter. These cranes will climb themselves up as the structure grows.

Regards


Great work Pikey.

apparently the 21storeys is only 1m higher then the 18storeys. the floors were reduced in height. so 82m tall to roof with 2m blades, thus 84m total

Just found out that the core will be numbered too

Thanks for that Pikey!

Wondering when the first crane will go up? Going by what I see, I reckon prolly about late April or May at this stage, tho its a bit hard to judge just atm.

Will certainly be an impressive building once its finished. Cant wait for it.

Great work Pikey! very interesting news!

And whilst I'm a little dissapointed that the height of the building will not change much, 84m is still very impressive for us.

Thanks for the info, looking forward to seeing this one grow

any construction yet??

Not above ground, but digging is well underway on site for the foundations.

Some shots from earlier today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/CityCentralOne1-22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/CityCentralOne2-22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/CityCentralOne3-22.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v246/michaelchristhomas/CityCentralOne4-22.jpg

Thanks for the photos Pants, it's good to see some progress on this quality development.

Judging by the webcam, the first crane base is in!!

Yer, is is that little green thing roughly in the centre of the site? Didn't notice that yesterday anyways. So hopefully we will have a new tower crane dominating out CBD skyline in a few days time...and also one that will grow up the building :)

There was a temporary crane installing it this morning. If you have a looksey on the webcam you will see that it is actually quite large, much much bigger than the truck cabins nearby!! I'd expect the crane in about 2 weeks. It seems to take a while for the concrete to cure enough, but if I'm proven wrong and it comes sooner, awesome! It will be the 6th tower crane in the CBD, if you count the wierd new yellow one on light square!

There was a temporary crane installing it this morning. If you have a looksey on the webcam you will see that it is actually quite large, much much bigger than the truck cabins nearby!! I'd expect the crane in about 2 weeks. It seems to take a while for the concrete to cure enough, but if I'm proven wrong and it comes sooner, awesome! It will be the 6th tower crane in the CBD, if you count the wierd new yellow one on light square!

I realise that some of the east coasters might laugh, but I can't remember there been 6 tower cranes in the CBD in recent times.

:cheers:

Got some info on this one today:

- First tower crane should be going up on 17 and 18 April.

- The second (which will be right on the pathway along Waymouth Street) is due in about August.

- There's talk that the existing Advertiser building will actually be pulled down and replaced rather than redeveloped.

- Baulderstones got the job after the deal with Multiplex fell apart following a re-costing that took the extra levels into account.

I took a few pics, which I'll put up tomorrow.

- There's talk that the existing Advertiser building will actually be pulled down and replaced rather than redeveloped.

I always thought it was?

I always thought the floor between ground and 2 was going to be ripped out to create a large foyer, but the rest of the structure kept?

I'm not sure about the foyer mate, but the structure was initially going to be retained and redeveloped.

Edit: Thought I should get rid of those pics from hell.

Woooah! My eyes!

I want to say "great pix"!! lol

Thanks Pants. :)

Woooah! My eyes!

I want to say 'great pix"!! lol

Thanks Pants. :)

Ha ha. Sorry about your eyes mate.

I've no idea why it wouldn't focus. Took about 8 pics and these were the BEST of them.

Figured they were better than nothing so worth posting. Just.

Crane base!

http://www.photoadelaide.com/JunkPile/11-Apr-05/picture%20003_std.jpg

How on earth did you take that last shot? Did you go down that laneway off King William Street or some other way?

Sorry. Fucked up.

I walked past this morning and part of the tower crane's been delivered to the site (green thing near the Advertiser building):

(from the webcam)
http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/webcamnet/waymouth/way_3.jpg

If what I was told a while back is right, what will end up the biggest crane we've had in our little city since the Hyatt was built in 1989, should be going up this Sunday. :rock:

Beat me too it!! Adelaide's 6th tower crane!

Now that the shadows are clearing on the webcam shot, you can see that they're actually putting it up now.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00007KK5I.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

If you look at the image above, you'll see that the crane has a "climbing collar" which will let the crane grow with the tower. A style of Crane Adelaide hasn't seen in a looong time! Awesomme stuff!!

Great news :)

course if we knew a bit more about how the thing was actually going to look...yob... :bash: ;)

whats the address for the webcam????

http://www.advertiser.com.au/webcams/buildingview.asp?camera=waymouth

BEAST!! Walked around the site yesterday for the first time in about 2 months, progress is amazing, crane was looking great cant wait till its finally up!

Biggest since the Hyatt crane, bloody hell thats winding back the clock for sure, tho wasnt there a crane as big for the SA Water house on Grenfell street? Was a bit young to recall that but either way it certainly is good times ahead for construction in SA.