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I was thinking of implementing a 5 option voting system rather than a 10 option one.
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Good idea! :okay:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbOp8mqD7g

Love "MEDO";)

Good idea! :okay:

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbOp8mqD7g

Love "MEDO";)
LOL!http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

i was thinking of posting some pics then realised all my half decent/ latest shit is all devon. :(

I was thinking of implementing a 5 option voting system rather than a 10 option one.

Boo! You'll just get most of the good shots voted at 4/5 so it'll be harder to choose better shots than a 10 point voting system where you get a mixture of 7s, 8s and 9s.

Boo! You'll just get most of the good shots voted at 4/5 so it'll be harder to choose better shots than a 10 point voting system where you get a mixture of 7s, 8s and 9s.

I have to say I agree with this, although I can also see where Downfallen is coming from, and have been around long enough (although not posted much recently) to see this deabte come round a number of times.

I don't think that having a scoring system of 5 rather than 10 will deal with the crucial issue at stake, and actually makes the whole system far less sensitive and accurate, if we're going to have any ranking system at all.

The problem is that people don't always feel able, through fear, or friendship, to give what they really think are 'fair' scores for photos. We all do it, by the very fact that you see a posters name before you click on a photo you're opinion is already biase and it's impossible to be truly objective. But then we're not trying to be, as I see it, we're primarily trying to help each other out by providing constructive feedback, including praise and criticism where appropriate.

A while ago, at the suggesiton of another poster, I stopped putting the score on the actual feedback for the post and simply restricted myself to whatever comments I felt were useful or helpful for that shot. This approach makes it a lot easier to be objective and takes your focus off the scoring and puts you in a more critical mindset.

My suggestion therefore is that we make all ratings anonymous (easily done, many people already make their polls anonymous) - that way people can genuinely rate how they think, not how they think they should think. The rules are also changed so that you can't post the score you've given a photo on the thread. Not only does this keep the scoring anonymous, but it also means that people will really have to start to think about the comments they're making. So they'll be less '8/10 - Great shot! :)' and more thoughtful criticism and observation.

The scoring is still useful, but only as an interesting guide of overall opinion, and of course for the competition. Under this system there's no need to move to a 5 point system (as Gherkin rightly points out, that won't give any more accuracy, we'll just get a nice bell curve of 3,4,5) - I find the 10 point system genuinely useful, in my book there's a great deal of difference between a 7,8,9,10.

Downfallen has made some excellent points, and I'm really pleased to see people responding so positively and not getting jumpy and defensive (as happens regularly in the world forum) - I honestly believe that with the few simple changes that I've suggested we could totally transform the UPC! :cheers:

Perhaps the photos could be posted anonymously ? PM'd to Medo and he initiates a thread for each of them ? Sorry Medo if that would create too much work for you.

^^ I was going to suggest that but (for instance) Downfallen's photos would be so obvious that it would defeat the object of anonymity.


I'll agree with TOM and Downfallen.


Keep the 10 point voting system

Make votes anonymous

Constructive comments! + no rating in comment.



So... pretty much the same system as we have at the moment but forumers just have to behave differently.

The anonymous thing sounds interesting to me, I also had an idea like that, but my idea was more along the lines of people PM'ing me photos and I make one big thread where the poll is multiple choice and you can vote for 3 pictures. But that approach severely limits the constructive feedback people can give to a particular picture. But I really like Smarty's take on anonymous threads. Of course this would give me more work to do but I hardly have anything to do anyway compared to some mods.

If that was to happen we would have to ban all forms of signatures and watermarks on pictures also borders may need to go as well as some of us have unique borders.

What we can do is give some of these ideas a try to see how they work out.

I'd also considered having anonymous posting, but as Gherkin points out, it would be easy to recognise certain people's photos, so wouldn't really be a fair system. It'd also create a lot more work for you Medo, and given that you don't get paid to do this anyway I don't think it's fair to make the process any more burdensome than it already is.

Plus, it would make the whole process of contructive feedback more difficult, and people would spend most of their time trying to guess who's photo is it, rather than consider and comment on the actual photo.

There's no problem with knowing who's posted what, in many ways it's part of the appeal of the forum. It's actually nice to be able to see people's work progress over time and to build up a rapport with other photographers. The problem is that the current system lends itself to being score-focussed, rather than focussing on constructive comments. By making the scoring anonymous and stopping people posting their scores in the comments section this should solve that problem, as well as making it much more easy for people to vote fairly and objectively.

I really don't think we should play too much with the existing system, it does work, it just needs tweaking to make it a fairer and more constructive place to post. The changes I've suggested would involve minimal administrative hassle, and if nothing else could be run on a trial basis before instigating anything more fundamental and radical? :)

Yes your ideas make a lot of sense, but we are still divided between the scoring system, 5 vs 10.

Yes your ideas make a lot of sense, but we are still divided between the scoring system, 5 vs 10.

I'd maintain that a scoring system of 10 gives much greater flexibility and therefore potential accuracy when scoring. And whilst, under the old non-anonymous system, there was a propensity towards up-scoring, I think it's a bit of a myth that no one uses the bottom half of the scoring range, therefore it's useless.

Think about Olympic judging, in most disciplines contestants are scoring in the high 8's and 9's nearly every round, with differences being measured in tiny fractions of points. But they don't see the need to do away with the other 7 points which are rarely used. The point is, a photo which scores 5 or less has to be pretty bad by defenition, and as this is a public photo competition, people don't tend to post very bad photos. So it's understandable that given the quality of most of the entries here the greatest distribution of scores is between 7-10. However that still represents a big difference. For example I'd be pretty dissapointed if I scored a 7, even though it's a decent score, I've got lots of 'decent' photos, but I genuinely only try and post photos which I reckon are worth at least an 8. That's not to say that I won't occasionally get my judgement wrong, or that people aren't entitled to a different opinion - but, it does exlpain why we see lots of higher scores.

It's useful to keep the 10 point system, because, if we assume that most of the photos which are usually posted here tend to be scored between 7-10, that's currently 4 points of difference, but if you only had a system of 5 points, it'd be just 2 points difference. For example although I often score between 7-9, I very rarely score a 10, because for me a shot has to be technically brilliant AND have that something extra which makes me go 'Wow!' when I look at it. Perhaps once each competition someone enters a score which is worth a 10. But there tend to be lots of extremely good photos entered by excellent photographers, which are regularly worth a 9. Under a 5 point system I'd either have to up-rate all those photos to a 5, or down-rate them all to a 4... I don't see how that would help us to give fairer marks?

As long as voting is anonymous why not give people a more flexible scoring system?

Yes you make a most excellent point there Tom, you have convinced me. :colgate:

The new competition starts this Saturday. All the changes and stuff will be outlined in a new rules thread. :)

Medo I expect you'll have to be editing quite a few polls to make votes private and deleting a number of "8/10 nice photo"s in the first few contests but it'll be worth it!

And I better go out and take some photos before Saturday! I'm in York tomorrow so I hope for good weather :)

Edit: it's going to rain tomorrow. Balls.

Yes you make a most excellent point there Tom, you have convinced me. :colgate:

The new competition starts this Saturday. All the changes and stuff will be outlined in a new rules thread. :)

Ye gads... he's seen the light! :cool:

Good stuff Medo, looking forward to the next compo. Is it still going to be a 3 entry per comp rule?

Yes, 3 is the best number I reckon, not too few not too many.

i demand snow photos! :horse:

Good job Medo, well done for implimenting a potentially radical format change with relative ease. Time will tell whether the changes have the desired impact, but initial indications look good, people taking a lot more time to consider the actual photo, rather than just the score. In fact the score is more of an afterthought now, which I think can only be a good thing.

Have a :cheers: for your efforts. :)

yes well done Medo but also to you tom for your suggestions. i think the changes will make this a better place, so again well done the pair of you

i demand snow photos! :horse:

Some pics from work this morning taken with my little Panasonic.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3512/3247138023_39f0a8a267_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3087/3247137693_43606d9c42_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3329/3247135439_97d57a169e_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3521/3247964380_bc07b564ca_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3477/3247135023_c0845b3e8a_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3394/3247134763_474dfcc005_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3247963610_e65225ddb1_o.jpg

skyscrapers covered in snow :drool:

Wow excellent pictures Smarty. :happy:

Nice pics, Canary Wharf looks even more like a Canadian city in the snow.

Cracking photos. First pictures I've actually seen of the snow in London. We've got a pathetic 'dusting' up north, although still enough for my 6 month old son to get excited about! :banana:

Would it be useful in the UPC rules thread to have the 1 - 10 scoring system more clearly defined, so that we all have the same baseline when assessing each photo? I recall a forumer (possibly NothingBetterToDo) once posting a useful qualatative description of each score, somthing like that could be very useful, especillay since last time we were getting too many 9 and 10 which should possibly be saved for exceptional photos only.

Fair point GazKinz - although we should keep in mind that scoring will always be somewhat subjective in a competition like this. But I agree that some clear guidelines couldn't hurt, and NBTD provided the best set I'd seen so far.

Yeah I think the NBTD guidlines are buried here in this thread somewhere, I'll dig them out and stick them in the rules thread. :)

Edit: And it's done. :cheers:

I think the guidelines are really useful. I'd hate to think what would get a 1 or a 2 !!!

Nice pics, Canary Wharf looks even more like a Canadian city in the snow.

i declare this the year that canary wharf got its first proper christening since it changed from being a docks! :bowtie:

really looks like part of the london landscape when covered by snow.

Yes thanks Medo for posting the scoring guidelines and thank you NothingBetterToDo for coming up with them, they're very useful.

Wow, a lot of entries this week, I hope it's like this all the time. :)

Wow, a lot of entries this week, I hope it's like this all the time. :)

I think there's always a bit of a 'surge' after a short break from the competition, but certainly the 3 posts per person rule is helping to stimulate the competition, and it's good so see a few newcommers, obviously not put off by the draconian new regime... :gunz:
:cheers:

Wow, a lot of entries this week, I hope it's like this all the time. :)

Good isn't it. And with some new entrants which is even better :)

Hi all, thanks for the welcome on my first UPC entries :D

Just wondering whats the score with voting for your own photographs? I haven't voted for my entries, felt a bit silly giving my own photographs a mark, just wondering if anybody else votes for their own photographs?

Nice to have you aboard the good ship UPC Yoshef, and cracking contributions.

As for voting on your own photo, it's never really been settled. There's nothing to stop you doing it, and with all anonymous polls I guess no one knows now anyway! I don't tend to do it because it seems to defeat the purpose of the competition somewhat, can't speak for others but I assume people take a similar view.

The only time I would use a vote is if I feel someone has maliciously downvoted a shot for no good reason (i.e posted a very low score on a photo which is otherwise well recieved and doesn't post any explanation) - in those rare cases I might post a counter vote to ballance things out, but it hardly ever happens on the UK competition...

ah ok Tom, cheers m8 :cheers:

I never score myself either although I've never seen any rules about this. Like Tom says, it just doesn't seem right. I did vote for myself once when a picture of mine got through to the final though :)

Nice to have you aboard the good ship UPC Yoshef, and cracking contributions.


Agreed. Great contributions Yoshef. I hope you'll be entering each fortnight. Same goes for aclifford and stefan88. Really good to see more people entering.

Medo - out of interest how does the voting work for pictures to get through to the final ? Is it the total of all marks or the highest average marks ? So if a photo gets 6 votes each giving 8 points, is that worth more than another photo getting 4 votes with each giving 10 points ?

There is an SSC photo contest calculator I use and it automatically puts the potos in order of highest score. The total marks for the photo are divided by the number of votes. But sometimes you get photos that have two votes of 10 and no other votes and another photo that has loads of 9s a few 8s and one 10, in that case I have to make a decision regarding which one goes to the final. But such cases are really rare and so isn't much of a problem. Sometimes you see 6 photos in the final, this is because the last couple of photos have exactly the same number of points. :)

That all makes sense. Thanks.

I've also worked out why my image sizes weren't loading up to Flickr as large as I'd like and I've now sorted that :cheers:

have just read the new rulez for the first time, i reckon they are top notch. i've not been following any of the upc re-clad but i approve, great colour scheme. particularly like the idea that comments are to be constructive and thoughtful.
:cheer:
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:cheers:

have just read the new rulez for the first time, i reckon they are top notch. i've not been following any of the upc re-clad but i approve, great colour scheme. particularly like the idea that comments are to be constructive and thoughtful.
:cheer:
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:cheers:

Glad you like the changes Comdot... hope to see a few pics from you again here soon!

One consequence of this change that I hadn't really considered before is that because no one can see what anyone else has voted before they place their own vote, I think we get a much fairer voting system. Previously you log on to a thread and see that 5 people before you have scored a photo 9 or 10, and it's very hard not to be influenced by that in your own scoring.

Now you only know once you've voted (apart from getting a general sense from other comments, but someone might praise a shot but only give it a 7 or 8).

The only slight dissapointment so far is that someone, or a few people seem to be scoring consistently low scores (5-6) but I suspect not leaving any feedback at all. This is a real shame as it doesn't help the competition at all, as it's all about the feedback, and low score needs feedback more than a higher score. It's unfortunate that there's no way of preventing that (i.e not letting people post low scores without also leaving comments) but I suppose it's a small price to pay for an otherwise excellent and helpful new system.

Thanks again Meedy.. :cheers:

22 entries so far this week! I've been taking photos recently but won't submit anything before it passes my own critical analysis beforehand.

Bugger. Medo I forgot to add polls to my photos this week. :bash:

Would you mind doing the honours ?

Already done. :)

Thanks :cheers:

here's what Ive come up with so far from the comments that have been made about my castle carousel picture. Ive kept it away from it so the voting is only base on the one i entered.

i basically brought out the miserable brat girl by giving her a sepia tone to really give her that black cloud effect. i also cropped really hard which seems to make the other people on the ride look at her or purposely look away in disgust. really quite disturbingly i hope

tell me what you think?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2473980605_cb7c02e512_b.jpg

great capture and color isolation ^^

blimey! i'd forgotten about that. thanks anyway

She's probably feeling sick ... if her experience on that thing is anything like mine. I went on it with my 3 year old daughter. She loved it. I had to work hard to keep my lunch down. Probably looked like that "brat" girl.

Any plans for a regular un-UPC? It adds a bit of variety.

I dont know why I even bother with this contest - people arent leaving any comments anyway.....

well ... here's another one ... the "brat" girl in the above photo looks like a ghost. I disagree with mukkjoy that everyone is looking away in disgust or directly at her. Neither looks to be the case from where I stand. It's more like she doesn't exist. Especially the way the woman on the ride is lost in her own thoughts ... like she's imagining that child - that child is perhaps the image of a lost child or some such. It's almost filmic in these narrative overtones.

Now ... off to bed with me. Up at 6 ... :ohno:

I reckon there should be an 11 on this scale ...

11: Makes me pass out in ecstacy and have to lie down for a couple of hours to recover. Life is never the same again.

I have my doubts about the privileging of emotion over the poetry of content. If I look at the work of someone like Jurgen Teller ... the quality of many of his images are, in traditional terms, dodgy. But the interest or engagement is with the content and the technique is only a vehicle for that ... not something to be judged separately.

Just a thought ... :)

Originally Posted by NothingBetterToDo

10: The pic makes me go 'wow' when i see it. Its more an emotional reaction than anything else, but obviously technique and quality play an important role in this

9: The picture is excellent, fantastic composition, subject, technique and quality. But for whatever reason, it is lacking that extra wow factor

8: A good picture, with an interesting subject, composition and technique. Above average.

7: Average, good idea, average execution - lacking something, but not a bad picture by any means

6: Showing some problems with technique, composition, quality etc, slightly below average, but again - not a bad picture

5: Showing significant problems with technique, composition, quality etc - a good idea, but let down for whatever reason - veering into the realms of being a bad picture

4: Lots of problems, not a very nice pic, rubbish idea, rubbish execution. A bad pic

3 and below: Dire Photos, Piss takes, Photos that should have been deleted from the camera the second they were taken and never allowed to go anywhere near this competition

It's rather quiet this week, nothing by mukkjoy or NBTD, and I haven't seen an El Greco entry in ages!

It's rather quiet this week, nothing by mukkjoy or NBTD, and I haven't seen an El Greco entry in ages!

Maybe everyone's scared of foboff... he/she/it is rather hard to please! I'd be interested to hear more about foboff's background.

Maybe everyone's scared of foboff... he/she/it is rather hard to please! I'd be interested to hear more about foboff's background.

Methinks Foboff is Pillarboxred. I wonder if some folks are off on their Holidays?

I need to get back into taking pics. I don't seem to have any time since I've taken on an allotment. I need to give up work - it really gets in the way of everything else :)

Methinks Foboff is Pillarboxred. I wonder if some folks are off on their Holidays?
You flatter me sir! I didn't understand the holiday bit.

Maybe everyone's scared of foboff... he/she/it is rather hard to please! I'd be interested to hear more about foboff's background.
Another week and I'll be throwing plaudits all over the thread. It depends on the pix though.

I need to get back into taking pics. I don't seem to have any time since I've taken on an allotment. I need to give up work - it really gets in the way of everything else :)

Yeah same here, I spend most of my free time at the allotment. :)

Yeah, i need to get back into taking pics too - my recent exploits have all left me feeling disheartened - various screw ups with camera settings and batteries dying (school boy errors :|).

Also, i just can't be bothered loading the pics from my camera to the PC and editing them. I have less free time now that i'm working :(

Yeah same here, I spend most of my free time at the allotment. :)

Luxury. I haven't got any free time :ohno:

... how come so many view these photos but don't vote??? :nuts:

^ Some people may view each thread more than once, but still I'm also interested as to why so few people vote or comment on photos. Perhaps the majority of people viewing have not registered?

well i for one often look at the threads but if i haven't got time to think about all the photos in each week's competition i don't vote. i like to take a while to think properly about each pic, often don't have time. and yes, a lot of page views on the forum are from the unregistered. stop lurking and join!! :)

We had a problem in Polish UPC and as the pattern of the organization and good photographs I advertised UK UPC;) perhaps for it this many visit. It is my post in Polish about your UPC;)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=37471050&postcount=409

The truth is that you have very good photographs and you aren't quarrelling.;)

well i for one often look at the threads but if i haven't got time to think about all the photos in each week's competition i don't vote. i like to take a while to think properly about each pic, often don't have time. and yes, a lot of page views on the forum are from the unregistered. stop lurking and join!! :)

I do the same, usually look a few times before I say anything or vote.

No entries this week yet? :(

No entries this week yet? :(

... now there is. :)

A total of 4 now! Perhapes we could all advertise the UPC in our signitures, maybe attract some new people. What ever happened to Manuel also he used to enter some great pictures.

People like TOM have disappeared also.

I need to get back into taking pics. I don't seem to have any time since I've taken on an allotment. I need to give up work - it really gets in the way of everything else :)

Photograph the allotment :)

Photograph the allotment :)

Some snaps are on the allotment thread :)

A total of 4 now! Perhapes we could all advertise the UPC in our signitures, maybe attract some new people. What ever happened to Manuel also he used to enter some great pictures.

They're like buses - you wait and none come, so you moan, walk off, and whilst your gone, 7 come along!

http://www.newmexiconuts.net/catalog/tumbleweed.jpg

^^

well i have been taking snaps but my workstation (fancy name for a desktop pc! :)) has decided it doesn't like the internet and i'm going to wait til i move house next week before i get it hooked back up again. then i will post something. :)
been posting the last month or two on my little netbook. :ohno:

... i assumed everyone was on holiday so why bother :)

... i assumed everyone was on holiday so why bother :)

I did but I'm back now! :D I was waiting for someone else to post a picture, as it seemed to have died a death :( I'll post a few and see what happens

Give opportunity only to vote (x/10 like UPC), without comment, it's all come to life. ;)

I submitted 3 pictures the other week but I haven't got Internet at my new house yet... how did they do? Where do the old picture threads go at the end of every contest?

I submitted 3 pictures the other week but I haven't got Internet at my new house yet... how did they do? Where do the old picture threads go at the end of every contest?

They're in the archive:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=570

Ooops - Medo it's been so long since I've entered the UPC that I forgot to add a poll on all 3 of my pics :nuts:

Sorry ! Would you mind doing the honours ?

Cheers Medo :cheers:

nice to see you back Smarty :cheers:

Medo I done the same thing soz, I forgot to add a poll, can you help please m8 ? Cheers :cheers:

nice to see you back Smarty :cheers:

Thanks :cheers:

Thanks Medo - I completely forgot about the poll again :nuts:

i've not been taking part or voting in the upc for ages, as my workstation needs repairs to connect to the internet- been using my netbook for months with its 8" screen. just realised it's driving me insane- so i will get a new network card so i can enjoy my workstation's 24" inches of TFT goodness! :happy:

Yoshef, BorderBoy, Smarty, GazKinz and the rest, come on men, the contest needs you!

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6038/weneedyou.jpg

:hammer:

s'ppose better do som'tin then ... :ohno:

:cheers: I'll enter some more when I get a chance, really busy with work at the moment though :(

I shall try to take some soon. I've fallen out of the habit and need to get back into it.

how long do competitions last these days? i always thought they lasted 2 weeks but this one seems to be going on for a lot longer.

We had a bit of a break because in the winter not many people were regularly taking pictures, but now that the sun is out the UK UPC will resume again, with bi-weekly contests from now on. :)

We had a bit of a break because in the winter not many people were regularly taking pictures, but now that the sun is out the UK UPC will resume again, with bi-weekly contests from now on. :)

thanks for that mate, i thought i was going a bit :nuts: with the weeks

what day does the contest usually roll over?

:gaah: does anyone know how to upload photos from flickr since it's upgrade?
brain is hurting!

I can still upload photos the old fashioned way, click 'You' then 'Upload Photos and Videos'. :dunno:

I can still upload photos the old fashioned way, click 'You' then 'Upload Photos and Videos'. :dunno:

no i mean uploading from flickr to skyscrapercity. i don't seem to be able to get the coding to work anymore.

no i mean uploading from flickr to skyscrapercity. i don't seem to be able to get the coding to work anymore.

I had the same problem, I clicked on help, then clicked on (What are you having trouble with?) (Then New photo page.) (Then how can I opt-in or opt-out of the new photo page preview?) (Then where can I get help with the new photo page preview? )Then click opt-out. :cheers:

I think the UPC has died from lack of interest.

I just don't take very good photos. I can understand a good composition but I don't have a decent camera and seem to click the wrong buttons on photoshop. I don't live in the city during summer (rural pictures are not allowed), and my dad's just given me his old Pentax film camera (with a lovely wide angle lens - great fun) so I haven't used my digital camera for a while.

A few excuses there :)

May I, lord of the Bosnia and Herzegovina apply for this contest? Or is it just a local one?

This is a local photo contest for local people.

Zoidberg don't lie! Sodox you are welcome to enter but your photo must have been taken in the UK

6. The competition is open to everyone on SkyscraperCity.com, but the subject of the photo must be from somewhere in the UK or Ireland.

Oops! sorry -- deleted.

err ... where's everybody gone? Only three pics on tis thread now :ohno:

I'll throw a few in. :cheers:

forgot to add a poll on two of them sorry chaps

I'll throw a few in. :cheers:

Cheers Yoshef but what I meant was there were several more images on this thread that seem to have been deleted :ohno:

My camera won't turn on - I took it to Jessops and they said it's broken... then tried to sell me all sorts of silly cameras that I don't need. I am camera-less. :(

:pet:

My dad gave me his old Pentax film camera with all the accessories (zooms galore and a wide angle lens) for xmas so I need to go out and have a play with it soon. :D

Cool. Have fun and post your results.

My dad gave me his old Pentax film camera with all the accessories (zooms galore and a wide angle lens) for xmas so I need to go out and have a play with it soon. :D

I had one of those back in the eighties and early nineties. Some b*****d nicked it. It had been owned by a journalist once and had a really nice slightly battered and weathered character. Built like a brick shit-house.

It was meant to be one of the best cameras in the world, 20+ years ago!

Apparently Jessops or wherever let you put SLR photos onto a usb stick rather than developing them. Do they just scan them? Because this is my only practical concern when it comes to using the camera for important (deadline based) uni work, I just borrow my friends digital SLR. It'll take me a while to work out how to use the pentax properly, sure I'll post my results.

It's a good camera to play with before I have the money to save up for a digital SLR.

Am I the only one who can't see Leon any more - the thread has vanished from my UPC page!?

Look it's here:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1272663

What happened to this contest?

:(

Lack of entries, there is a (world wide) photography contest on the world forums: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=268

...


Oh and I was really pissed off at my Pentax SLR recently, it wasn't working properly, then got jammed so I had to rip the film out... wasted a film. But I used it a few months ago for close up uni model photos and they came out okay:

http://i55.tinypic.com/allpcg.jpg

http://i52.tinypic.com/1zl69vr.jpg

Lack of entries? I don't see any opportunity to enter.

Post a new thread in this section. You're bound to win! ;)