Meadows Gateway Phase 1

Status: Proposed
Regen Zone: Southside
Developer: Lace Market Properties
Architects: Make / Gehl Architects
Cost: £100m (Phase 1 & 2)
Use: Offices, Retail/Leisure, Hotel (155 bed), 65 Apartments


Notes:
Lace Market Properties won a competition to bring forward proposals to redevelop the Meadows Gateway in 2005. The largely derelict site lies adjacent to Nottingham Station and the Meadows housing estate. LMP brought onboard major international practices Make and later Gehl Architects. Several changes have already been made to the scheme including height reductions and the introduction of a weave concept for the fenestration and facade treatments. Phase 2 of the NET will pass through the site when it is completed.

Current Status:
An outline planning application for the entire scheme and a full application for Phase 1 were both submitted in April 2008.

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You beat me too it furry.... absolutely amazing.

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Its certainly going to make a big improvement to that area if it gets the go ahead.

Heres a summary of the projects...

http://www.newnottingham.com/New_Nottingham/News/Entries/2008/4/11_First_Look_At_Meadows_Gateway.html

I've just been reading through the design statement. I only wish more developments in Nottingham were being planned with such care and attention.

What happened to the red cladding that was on the original renders we saw a few years ago? Has it been changed?

Yeah its been changed.

A lot of attention has gone into making sure the colours are suitable for the area.

Oh ok thanks Dan. I'll be so glad when this gets the go ahead. Im also relieved to see that the buildings along the road are being demolished they do look shocking.

You beat me too it furry.... absolutely amazing.


Yeah I saw the plans a couple of days ago and wondered why no-one had put them up yet.

It not quite iconic is it, but its bloody good. The original proposals would have been more unique but I think they risked being too austere. The weave thing is classy but also different.

Guys, get your comments in off support for this one...

Building A - http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/createComment.do?action=CreateApplicationComment&appNumber=08%2F01173%2FPFUL3&appAddress=Land+Bounded+By+Sheriffs+Way%2C+Arkwright+Street+And+Crocus+Street%0DNottinghamNottingham

Outline Plan - http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/createComment.do?action=CreateApplicationComment&appNumber=08%2F01176%2FPOUT&appAddress=Land+Bounded+By+Sheriffs+Way%2C+Arkwright+Street%2C+Crocus+Street%2C+Newthorpe+Street+And+Meadows+Way%0DNottinghamNottingham

I forgot..I did promise I'd ask anyone from the area to attend an event in the meadows. Last time they had a consultation the plans got knocked around alot...

Daniel

We are presenting the scheme to the Meadows Community at 6pm next Tuesday at the Bridgeway Hall in the Meadows Bridgeway Centre.
Anyone connected to the Meadows is welcome to attend.
It would be good for people who are pro development and regeneration to attend, as these forums can get dominated by outspoken negative people.

I attach two images of the development to wet your appetite.

Regards

John Morris

It not quite iconic is it, but its bloody good. The original proposals would have been more unique but I think they risked being too austere. The weave thing is classy but also different.

I'm not sure if the images do it justice. The materials will make all the difference. The gold looking stuff you see will actually be aluminium. I'm not sure about the orange courtyard though lol. It looks like its going to a very dark area, deprived of any sunlight.

I am soooo excited about these plans...just look at the views that will greet you as you come out of the new look Hub...new towering buildings either side with a tree lined avenue. The 13stories of the Gateway sits really well alongside the Sovereign House development,. it looks like they have taken other develpoments into account. These with Pictureworks will work soo well! Woo! lol

Nottingham comes of age as a modern European city.

Look at the last picture I posed. Look out the weaves are woven more loosely to create balconies. Fantastic.

Excellent. I don't mid losing the teracotta look as that is already being built at Jubilee Campus. This looks classy and dramatic. Such a relief that it hasn't been watered down to a low-rise group of boxes.

I really hope this is okayed and goes up soon. We need this to happen.

^^ Agreed. It'd be a huge loss for Nottingham if this didn't go ahead as it's such a prestigious development and in such a prominent location.
Lets just hope the council don't prevent it from happening.

Brilliant. I wasn't to sure about the original proposal, it looked very boxy and imposing. But this looks really good and they have obviously put alot of work into how it works with the surounding building and developments going on. Fingers crossed this will get the go ahead.

Baring in mind that these lot have worked tirelessly with the community... and also baring in mind that this site was given to them by the council themselves for major redevelopment... I think the council are really behind this design.

Evening Post Reports...

This is how one of Britain's top architects plans to change the face of Nottingham.

It is an impression of the £150m Meadows Gateway scheme designed by MAKE of London.

It was redrawn with fresh ideas after the first scheme published two years ago had a poor reception and was dubbed a "Berlin Wall" by city MP Alan Simpson.

A planning application has been submitted to Nottingham City Council by Lace Market Properties.

The first phase on the corner of Arkwright Street and Sheriff's Way is for a hotel, offices, leisure and apartments.

Mark Elliott, managing director of Lace Market Properties, says it will add "pizzazz" to a run-down area.

He says he has had considerable interest among potential hotel operators.

MAKE is led by architect Ken Shuttleworth who left Norman Foster's practice to set up his own firm. He was involved in the design of the Gherkin in the City of London which has become a landmark building.

Meadows Gateway ranges from 12 storeys down to six stories. The fascia has been designed to look like a basket weave in pale shades of red and yellow.

The ratio of apartments to offices and hotel will depend on the requirements of a hotel operator, said Mr Elliott. But offices will take about 60,000 sq ft.

A later phase of the tram network is planned to pass outside the scheme.

The developers says the high quality design will help Nottingham's image as a Core City, one of the country's key generators of wealth.

The first phase could create up to 1,000 jobs. The £50m-plus first phase is based around a public square and shops. The facades will vary in design but the use of colour will be a major feature.

Lace Market Properties was selected by the city council as its preferred developer and the design follows a series of public meetings which led to the reduction in height of some buildings and the redesign of facades.

Mr Elliott said: "This is an exciting project by a trophy architect that can transform this part of Nottingham.

"The impression of the city from the station is currently very poor and the MAKE proposal will deliver a first impression to be proud of.

"The proposal will form the heart of this regeneration area and will include a new public square with safe and convenient

This part of Nottingham is in desperate need of regeneration. Anyone who comes into the city from the station or the south of the city must be horrified by how run down and parochial it looks.

I like the look of this development and hopefully, along with the station development and the picture house, this embarassment will not continue for much longer.

Calling the original scheme a Berlin wall was a bit of an exageration, I mean the site is effectively an island with roads completely surrounding it!

It would appear that the locals are still restless. Same old, same old.

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=133942&command=displayContent&sourceNode=229136&home=yes&more_nodeId1=133951&contentPK=20405994

I think the report above highlights why its so important for us pro-development individuals to speak out. We tend to see a project we like, and assume its just going to get through. In reality, we need to give all these projects the support they deserve.

Think about it. Before LMP have even submitted an application they've reduced the height of the development, reduced massing in areas, changed the design etc. Whilst some of the changes are absolutely amazing, others I'm not too happy with.. for example.. I think the 12 storey building could have been much taller.

Anyway my point is. Regardless of how good this design is, the usualy Nimbys are going to come out against these developments. These are people who look at pictures and then complain for the sake of it. They make the usual points like... "its going to stick out like a sore thumb", "why are we building apartments when no one is going to buy them with the credit crunch", etc. Simply uninformed nimby views.

Its important we come out in force and tell the council what we think of these better developments. I've been through the planning application (the outline one inparticular) and LMP have gone into so much in-detail on how the area will become a much more vibrant one, how it will peacefully link with the meadows, and how it will enhance the whole southside. I don't really think there are any real reasons to complain about this development (apart from the orange courtyard lol, which im not all that keen on).

I'm going to right a long in depth article linking the planning statements to it on new notts. Hopefully this will encourage more to make comments on the app. (by the way, NewNotts is now linked on bildurns website, some estate egents website and dozens of forums on the net).

I really support this project and don't want to see it get knocked back any further. Its a crucial development.

To comment click on comment on application at the bottom of the following app pages....

Outline Application
(http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/pas/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Nottingham+City+Council&appNumber=08%2F01176%2FPOUT)
Building A Application (http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/pas/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Nottingham+City+Council&appNumber=08%2F01173%2FPFUL3)

Listen to this bullshit:

http://content.thisis.co.uk/nottingham07/news/ep160408gateway-final.mp3

More below... absolutely ridiculous:

People from The Meadows are still not happy with proposals for a landmark development on the edge of their estate.

Lace Market Properties has revised its plans for the £150m Meadows Gateway Arkwright Street scheme and met with residents last night to discuss them.

The original plan was dubbed a "Berlin Wall" by MP Alan Simpson. Angry residents said it would isolate them from the city.

Hear residents' views on the Meadows Gateway plans by clicking here

The new proposals, which have been submitted to Nottingham City Council, include changes, including reducing the tallest section to 12 storeys from 14, and opening up some of the buildings to safeguard views of the castle.

But the majority of residents at the meeting in the Bridgeway Hall still had serious concerns over the scale of the buildings.

Margaret Spencer, chairman of the Old Meadows Tenants' and Residents' Association, said: "I agree that something's got to happen in that area, but this is going to tower right above everything like a sore thumb.

"I don't think the building should be one brick higher than the railway station."

Pat Gutteridge, chairman of The Meadows Partnership Trust, told the architects: "Every time you come to us you drop it a level. If you come back to us enough times we will get it down to what we want.

"Twelve storeys will totally overpower the railway station and totally disconnect The Meadows from the city."

Dee Whitworth, also of the Trust, said: "I appreciate that some changes have been made but I really think that the height of it is so overpowering. It is such a blocking edifice."

John Prevc, of MAKE architects, told the meeting the scheme was designed to link The Meadows and the city, bringing shops, services and up to 1,000 jobs in the first phase alone.

He said: "We need to bring activity and life to the area. There were always going to be buildings on this piece of land.

"Regardless of what you think about the height, this development frames the station and, for me, it gives even more emphasis to the station rather than taking it away."

The site will be developed in two phases, with the first containing a 12-storey building, with 75% commercial properties and 25% residential.

An outline planning application for the second phase, which borders Meadows Way, has also been submitted.

Mr Prevc added that the buildings nearest to houses would be five storeys high rather than the nine storeys initially proposed, and would be bordered by a public square.

I like the comments from the lady who said the plans look good but thats not what the people from the meadows want.

What do Meadows residents want? I reckon a bookies, a few takeways, a bargain booze and a dole office. Anyone want to have a word with LMP and see if they want to change the designs to include these? Lol.

It would be interesting to see what Karete Kev things off these plans. We've not heard from him for a while but he's from the Meadows area and usually has a lot to say about it.

I am trully shocked by these comments. These people speak as though the whole of Nottingham was built since ancient times. If these opinions had been acted upon throughout the history of the city we would be living in shacks of wood 6 feet tall.

Do other cities in this country have this many problems in developing their city centre? If we find it hard to build there its going to be even harder places like West Bridgford.

I don't even understand the comment that it will disconnect The Meadows (a residential area) from the city. The city has to end somewhere, and if anything this scheme intergrates the two, certainly a lot better than what was there before or now.

I don't blame anyone who doesn't want a 12 storey building built which will overlook their house, and I am not surprised that people shy away from architecture which is anything other than Victorian pastiche (it's familiar). They all have a right to complain - I just hope the planners and councillors consider the wider city context.

The existing buildings in that area are entirely inappropriate for a site on the edge of the city centre. The low-rise carpet warehouses and derelict Victorian shops along that end of Carrington Street haven't changed (if anything, they've decayed) in the fiteen years since I last lived in the Meadows and used to walk into town through the scary underpass and past the bare grassy patch.

There is no reason to think that a taller building at an angel to antoher automatically "dominates" it. The Midland Hotel at the other end of the Nottingham-London line is far from the tallest building at Kings Cross, but I'd say it still manages to dominate it's surroundings. The station would hold its own against this very different new architecture.

The plans seem a well-considered and sustainable mixed development to me. They integrate with the plans already approved for the area, including the tram route, and they promote economic development and wealth-creation around the station.

Thats right Binge.

Its a shame that developers that bother to do public consultations are the ones that end up having difficulties and getting all the criticism. Exactly the same issues would have been raised with Sovereigns House or Picture Works if they had gone through this process.

If I were LMP I'd change the name of Meadows Gateway asap because it implies some sort of "ownership" of the site by the Meadows community, when in fact its a prime city centre site that should be developed for the benefit of the city as a whole.

You cant blame Meadows people for wanting the best for their community but their objectives are so misguided. You can see the mentality...."this doesnt look right next to our houses, we dont need more swanky apartments that'll end up empty, the office jobs will just go to people in West Bridgford, won't benefit us". If it was up to them they'd probably want "affordable" housing for "local families" (when the over-concentration of cheap housing is one of their main problems), proper jobs for local people (when they have easy access to loads of industrial jobs at Queens Drive and around the Waterside) and a park for the kiddies (when they already have the Embankment).

I guess the height issue is just because it is different and therefore threatening. There's probably some unfounded concerns that it will overlook or overshadow their gardens (it wont). The reality is they can have low rise development but there wont be as much money to spend on design, materials and public realm. This means the links into their community are less attractive and fewer people will be attracted into their area. Also if the standard of development is poorer the value of their homes wont go up so much.

You guys need to write all of this to the planners...

Outline Application
(http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/pas/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Nottingham+City+Council&appNumber=08%2F01176%2FPOUT)
Building A Application (http://plan4.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/WAM/pas/showCaseFile.do?councilName=Nottingham+City+Council&appNumber=08%2F01173%2FPFUL3)

If I were LMP I'd change the name of Meadows Gateway asap because it implies some sort of "ownership" of the site by the Meadows community, when in fact its a prime city centre site that should be developed for the benefit of the city as a whole.

A very good point. This is the edge of the city centre as much as it is the edge of the Meadows.

Danz - I have written a brief email of support to the planners.

wicked. nice to see its been given a makeover (pun intended).

Some of the comments on there are really quite shortsighted although I can understand some of their points. People complaining about there view into town though. Well what do they expect when they live so close to the city centre in a city that is constantly growing and progressing.
The woman at the end of the audio link Dan posted seems to me to be a complete idiot. Were just going to be looking at bricks. Have you looked at the plans you daft tart?

I'll put in a full comment on the planning application later in support for this development. It's a thousand times better than whats there now.

I have added supportive comments on planning website. Thanks for reminding us Danz.

I have added supportive comments on planning website. Thanks for reminding us Danz.

Ditto - hopefully this will have some kind of impact.

^^ me to

I completely agree with what you all say, I can assume the opinion section of the Evening Post is full of letters moaning about evil tall buildings, and ugly arts centres as much as Derby's local rag?

Looks good - Nottingham has done well considering the crock of old shite Make are proposing next to Sheffield station.

The good news is that most of the comments on the EP website seem to be positive. My favourite:

"sj u r chattin a load of shi_ there are no houses around near the train station,so how will ur view of the castle b obscured u fool?meadows needs this to boost the area!!"

Indeed.

NEP link: http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=195917&command=displayContent&sourceNode=134241&contentPK=20906417&folderPk=78486&pNodeId=133951

" The Meadows Gateway still needs improving two years after it was first unveiled, councillors say.

Proposals for the £150m mixture of commercial and residential buildings between The Meadows and the city centre will be judged by a planning committee later this year.

Developer Lace Market Properties agreed to reduce the maximum height of some buildings after protests from residents.

But at a discussion meeting yesterday councillors still had concerns about their height and appearance.

Coun Ian MacLennan said the proposed development would be visible from the top of Nottingham Castle.

He said: "There's the potential to do something striking with the main building rather than just create a place where two walls meet. It is actually going to break the horizon. Whether we like it or not it is going to be very visible."

The scheme south of Nottingham Station includes five apartment blocks with offices, hotels, student accommodation and leisure facilities.

Its triangular site will vary from 13 storeys at the north end to between three and five storeys. The north end will taper to a point at Arkwright Street and Sheriffs Way, where the Queens Hotel would be demolished.

Coun Malcolm Wood said: "I don't particularly like the view - I think we could see a much more dramatic building there."

Developer Lace Market Properties says the development could create 1,000 jobs and much-needed shops.

They consulted residents after unveiling the proposals in 2006.

And the plans were backed by some councillors despite fears over their appearance.

Coun Ian Malcolm said: "It may change the view of the city but so what? Cities are living, breathing entities. You can't stop cities growing - they can grow outwards or upwards or both."

Deputy Labour leader Graham Chapman said the scheme would bring a valuable public space, shops and underground parking.

He said: "These opportunities do not come free - they come at a cost."

The development will come back before councillors in August before a planning application is considered later in the year"



Councillor Malcolm talks sense.

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Maybe lmp should propose putting a wendy house on there.That should keep the councillors happy,then again at 3 foot high they might say its still too high.:lol:

the people in the Meadows should get their own house in order before they start feeling they have the right to p*ss around with city centre projects. Did they ever consider maybe some people want to cut off the meadows and st ann's from the centre....controversial i know, but loads of people think it!

^^ Couldn't agree more. The Meadows gives such a bad impression from the train station.

Should have called it Nott'm Gateway. It was always going to struggle once you got the resident nimbys involved.

Great news! The council have approved the scheme. 13 storeys high too.

From the EP


The Meadows Gateway £150m redevelopment scheme has been given the green light by councillors.
Plans for the first phase of the development on the site around Arkwright Street and Sheriffs Way were approved by City councillors today.
Members of Nottingham City Council's development control committee voted nine to two for the plans, which include the demolition of the Queen's Hotel.
A office block, 13-storeys high at its tallest, will be built on the site by developers Lace Market Properties.

fantastic news! I wonder when we will see a start on this project. Presumably after pictureworks is completed, otherwise LMP might spread themselves a bit thin

Yes!

This is great news. About time we had a boost on one of these big projects.

Will 13 storeys make it taller than the Jury's Inn or about the same? I guess its hard to tell until the actual metric measurements are given.

good news, i just hope they dont forget about it like they did with the lighthouse on huntindon st.

What does the "Queens Hotel" look like?

It's a fireplace shop now. Here are some pictures of it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dayoff171/2472068682/

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What does the "Queens Hotel" look like?

I can't find any piccys of it. Basically if you look left after coming out of the train station its the big white buidling on the corner. Its not a bad old buidling but it has been left to rot over the last 10 years and is now looking very shabby.

Silly comment as I'm sure there are structural/logistical/etc problems with doig it, but why ar't more of the buildings that are iterestig such as this oe incorporated into schemes?

Do you mean why aren't more interesting designs like Meadows Gateway used in other projects? The cost of building such an interesting development is a major factor.

Sorry the "N"s on my keyboard are not working well.

No i mean't why are some of the few interesting buildings such as the Queens (it is nothing special but has a few nice features) not incorporated into schemes, even as just a facade.

I understand why a project like Meadows Gateway doesnt get used if it is rejected, costs of cosultation, planing etc. Just cheaper to start again (much like with why they dont incorporate older buildings i schemes i am sure)

On the plans it looks like the Queens Hotel isn't getting knocked down (maybe i'm wrong). I'd prefer it if it stayed. I don't mind the scheme but i still think its a lost opportunity to build a conference/ exhibition centre on this triangle of land. It would be perfect, employ loads of people and be bang outside the station.

It will be demolished. I know what you mean it is kind of sad it's going. It could look nice if it was properly looked after.
The second render shows where the Queens Hotel currently stands.

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No i mean't why are some of the few interesting buildings such as the Queens (it is nothing special but has a few nice features) not incorporated into schemes, even as just a facade.


It costs alot more to do that, rather than just demolish it and start from scratch.
We were lucky that The Pod development didn't swallow up the old building and the developers decided against demolition. The building may have been listed too, which would of made demolition tricky.

i forgot how much i love these plans..thanks for posting them again! i really hope this one has enough momentum to overcome these problems these days..

The Pod did actually involve demolishing plenty of the old buildings left on site, just the facade of one was retained (much the rear of it and its demolished neighbour having vanished some time ago). For some reason many other old buildings which formerly occupied the site a long while ago were gradually flattened over the years, creating the old Armgrade car park. I don't know if this had anything to do with the pod plans or not?

As a meadows resident, although not at this end, I Can't say I object to these proposals, the land is not being used well at present and although tall, is well away from existing housing, the existing structure is quite a nice old building though. Given the present economic climate is this really going to make sense?, the surrounding residential aspect must be in doubt, i don't believe the occupancy in the nearby Hooters building is that good, and there are still big residential structures being built nearby. I understand the policy to improve the Meadows area is to surround it with posh flats and West Bridgford, the bit I am not sure about is "posh flats", who wants these?, not families, and this whole area has hundreds planned, in view of the economic downturn, I doubt these will be built soon anyhow, accordingly i do wish that they would re asses the density , and propose more imaginative dwellings with private gardens and parking suitable for families.
For a view of what may be possible, if you are in the area, take a look at the dwelling slowly being realized on the corner of Colligate and Felton Road adjacent to the embankment sports ground.
A remarkable and innovative little domestic structure.

take a look at the dwelling slowly being realized on the corner of Colligate and Felton Road adjacent to the embankment sports ground.
A remarkable and innovative little domestic structure.

hugo - i heard that building is going to be an art gallery. I guess alot will depend on what they do with the factories behind it that are currently being demolished. I hope its not just left bare and empty like what has happend with the old trent bridge school site.

I think the way forward for the meadows is probably a mix of high density houses, and blocks of flats, a bit like the development they recently finished next to the toll bridge. However, its essential that they build amenities with them, a decent bar, a few shops etc. Otherwise it just ends up as another empty housing estate where gun slinging chavs and bmx bandits rule.

they need more car access too, meadows is currently like a cut-off village with one way in one way out, you never get through traffic.

Kev
Access to the meadows isn't possible in a car without breaking some rule or other, getting out is labyrinthine to the point of being ridiculous, the no left turn onto Water way/Crocus street is particularly irksome. a rule best respected by ignoring it.
The building in question is it is taking some time to complete, could well be an art galley I can see how that would work, but i heard that it would be domestic, will see in due course it is certainly a bold addition.

My prediction for the factory site, flattened rubble until /unless the market picks up, then new build terraced housing. there are constant rumors about a development on the existing bus depot site as well, there is enough space to make a decent lower density development here that could well help the area, the streets closest to Trent bridge enjoy a bit of a premium over the rest of the old Meadows.
Hugo

It's a bit of both. Live/work unit for local architect and artist couple, I think, designed to be as green as poss.

It's no secret it's for (and by) Julian Marsh, of Marsh Grochowski, who has been responsible for a number of interesting new buildings in the area, including Hart's Hotel, the Lakeside theatre building at the University of Nottingham, Leicester's new Digital Media Centre, his old house - Marsh House (?) - in Alexandra Park, and Alan Simpson's green conversion in the Lace market.

I love this project, excellent news that it has been approved. To be honest I am not all that bothered about the Hotel. All these people moaning about it being demolished, they didnt seem concerned that it was rotting away for years beforehand...they need to get a grip on reality. This project and Sovereign House will massively raise the whole area.

not been on this forum for ages! the pictures look great! i'm well happy that this is approved - despite objections from some locals this will only improve the area, and make the meadows 'closer' to town. hopefully this may lead to more development in incorporating the meadows more successfully into town as a community.

pics really do look good.

But when will construction on Sovereign House or Meadow's Gateway commence?

We don't know yet.

Is this project dead?
We haven't heard of any news for AGES now

I don;t think any of these projects are dead, as such, in that if a hotel group approached them tomorrow to take on the completed building, they'd be scrambling round trying to get the money to proceed. but no-one's gong to go ahead without a tenant.

Oh, okay :)
Hopefully they find a tenant soon, just like with Sovereigns House? (the current train station car park?)

Guys just found out that the reason they are not building the meadows gateway yet is because vinci construction need the land for the crane to build the tram bridge. So the meadows gateway is not dead guys it will hopefully be built after the bridge comes into place over the station

Friend of mine told me that they were going to use arkwright street for the crane or the site where meadows gateway would be. He knows some people who work at lace market properties. So the meadows gateway plan isnt dead guys its just delayed until the bridge is built

^^ There's no sign of this project on the LMP website though.

It will never happen! LMP had numerous projects around Nottingham and even into the suburbs - they've scaled their operation right back which means that residential developments which were supposed to be built near Pictureworks and major projects like Meadows Gateway are dead in the water.


Seriously, watch the news a little - who's going to build a huge office block/ residential scheme in this economic climate. There's no mortgages for investors to buy flats and the office market in Nottingham is seriously depressed.

You're only giving yourself false hope I'm afraid. You've about much chance of seeing this as the cable cars iamthestig is talking about in the other thread or Chek White's skyscraper!!

I can't wait to catch the sky-train from the Chek White tower, it will give me a great opportunity to feed my flying pigs which have been looking a little deflated recently what with this unfavourable European economic climate. Why oh why do they insist on reading the financial times, it depresses them so.

PerfectDark - any chance your proposed sky-train can stop off at our newly proposed Snow Dome that we seem to be promoting?!

Of course, but I mentioned a perhaps more fitting solution in the other thread!

Guys I just got a reply from city council regarding the meadows gateway and soverigns house, this is there reply -

The Meadows Gateway application is moving towards being historic and the applicant is not in current talks with the Council about bring this type of development forward at the moment. The development opposite the station (Sovereign House) is more live however and talks have been held recently between developer and Council about the type and quantum of development that should be developed. This also does not have an anticipated start date however.
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Hope this helps.
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Andrew Turner
Regeneration Executive
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Does that mean the latest renders weve seen of the Sovereign House may not be how it will turn out to be? and may change completely?

Because if so, they had better still make it a high quality development with substantial height... i may have got the last bit wrong though.... maybe they're on about wether it should be more offices or hotels?

Until the tram is built I can't see any of these developments moving forward. Afterwards, depending on the economic climate I would think there could be a chance.

Hes on about the offices and hotels, I think the design will be the same. I think they are still looking for tenants but we now know for sure that this will be built soon hopefully. I just think they are also waiting for csc plans for broadmarsh.