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dleung
April 21st, 2008, 02:46 AM
My fantasy transit network:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9540/futuresubwayur3.jpg

I'm hoping for tons of new density (6-10 stories) all along the north of fraser.

Edit: extended Steveston LRT to link Garden City Lands and Oval developments

deasine
April 21st, 2008, 03:20 AM
Finally someone started this on the SSC thread. I'll be posting my verison [updated] as soon as I possibly can. So much hw and tests X_X

nova9
April 21st, 2008, 04:53 AM
A Victoria Drive LRT eh? Is it wide enough for one? Where would you want the stations? I'm interested..............

Yellow Fever
April 21st, 2008, 05:04 AM
Another good job well done, dleung!

Everything looks good but I think the Scott Road is too narrow and busy for the LRT option, I would prefer using the subway alternative.

Also, the expo line should be extended to the Guildford Town Center and the Willowbrook mall in Langley.

Mac Write
April 21st, 2008, 05:18 AM
Oh man this is torturing me. by the time this is all done I will be an elder.

dleung
April 21st, 2008, 05:18 AM
Everything looks good but I think the Scott Road is too narrow and busy for the LRT option, I would prefer using the subway alternative.

Also, the expo line should be extended to the Guildford Town Center and the Willowbrook mall in Langley.

I've never been to Surrey, so you're probably right. The only LRT where I know exactly where to put the stations is the Steveston one, lol. For the other ones, I'm guessing, in general, every arterial crossing?

A skytrain to Langley would cross a lot of empty land...they can just take the train to Newton.

I'm also doubtful about the station at Richmond Ikea, lol... there might be better value if I just finish the Burrard Line to Marine instead.

Yellow Fever
April 21st, 2008, 05:27 AM
Oh man this is torturing me. by the time this is all done I will be an elder.

By the time this is all done I will be burning in hell. :devil:

spyro
April 21st, 2008, 08:11 AM
i can see a lot of that being built in the next thirty years?

canada line will be done by 2009

Evergreen Line seems to be on its way and the UBC line is being pushed for heavily.. maybe both of them done by 2020-2025?

Next logical step for TransLink would be extending the Expo Line into Surrey.. completion by 2030-2035?

by 2040, a couple more LRTs although i don't see a Kits LRT being built since theyre already thinking of putting in a streetcar network around the False Creek area.. i can definitely see a Hastings LRT being put in

mr.x
April 21st, 2008, 08:20 AM
^ actually it has already been confirmed that:

- the Evergreen Line will be completed by 2014, with construction beginning in late-2010 or 2011.

- the UBC and Surrey extensions will be completed by 2020 at the latest.



nice sensible map btw!

dleung
April 21st, 2008, 08:39 AM
Evergreen NW- $1.4 billion
UBC subway- $2 billion
Surrey extensions- $800 million and $600 million (expected 200,000 population increase throughout)
Evergreen SW- $1.5 billion (100,000 population increase within 1 mile of line desired)
North Fraser- $1.8 billion (120,000 population increase within 1 mile desired)
Steveston LRT- $300 million (90,000 population within 1/2 mile expected)
Hastings- $800 million (20,000 population increase within 1/2 mile desired)
Arbutus- $400 million (15,000 population increase within 1/2 mile desired)
Victoria- $400 million (25,000 population increase within 1/2 mile desired)
Willingdon- #180 million (40,000 population increase within 1/2 mile desired)

Apparently we're supposed to hit 3 million people by 2021, I'm thinking more like 2.6-2.8 million, but hopefully most of the next million new-comers will be within a 1/2 mile of rapid transit. I want most of the Burrard Peninsula to densify much more, westside not so much. The idea is to preserve the good neighbourhoods (make single-family home ownership a privilege, not non-existent), and densify the east side... this way we'll get a good and vital mix of the best of both worlds... no crappy suburbia allowed.

Also, it'll be cool to have some high-density, lushly terraced, Lord of the Rings style development happening over by the Capilano canyon in North Van...

DKaz
April 21st, 2008, 11:10 PM
Wow I'm not the only one who thinks New West needs a street car! Actually I think the entire New West to Edmonds portion of the #106 should become a street car or at the very least a trolley bus route (then they should run it all the way to Metrotown and interline with the #19).

That is Railway you're running the Steveston LRT down right? Makes the most sense to use that existing defunct rail corridor.

I don't think they'll interline the Expo and Millennium Line at Broadway-Commercial like that, if anything they'll run addition tracks from VCC-Clark up to the third platform of Stadium Station.

And I think the Arbutus LRT could continue to downtown either on the existing Burrard St bridge deck or underneath on a new deck.

Nice work otherwise! Especially the Willingdon LRT.

vancouverite/to'er
April 22nd, 2008, 02:30 AM
How about a King Edward LRT?? The 25 sux!

D J M K
April 22nd, 2008, 03:18 AM
the willingdon LRT is a good idea. metrotown, BCIT, burnaby hospital, brentwood, electronic arts,.... and branching that up to hastings to the kootney loop and beyond would be interesting. burnaby heights had the interurban route eons ago and this might be a good fit, however, i'm sure NIMBY would win.

Mac Write
April 22nd, 2008, 04:53 AM
How about a King Edward LRT?? The 25 sux!
You only have to wait to September of this year my friend for that to improve.

Daguy
April 22nd, 2008, 05:41 AM
^ actually it has already been confirmed that:

- the Evergreen Line will be completed by 2014, with construction beginning in late-2010 or 2011.



I can't see why construction on the Evergreen Line couldn't begin as early as next year, considering at one point it was supposed to be built and completed roughly around 2009. It is a question of getting all the funding or something?

mr.x
April 22nd, 2008, 06:06 AM
I can't see why construction on the Evergreen Line couldn't begin as early as next year, considering at one point it was supposed to be built and completed roughly around 2009. It is a question of getting all the funding or something?

Has to do with:

1) Funding
- federal funding
- the potential private-sector involvement
- land sales adjacent to future station sites as part of Translink's real estate division
2) Design
3) Public consultation

At the earliest, I think construction will begin right after the 2010 Olympics. Considering that they have a timeline to finish and open in 2014, 2010 sounds right....4-years of construction preparations, construction, and testing.

urbanfan89
April 22nd, 2008, 07:50 AM
It would be a great asset if the downtown core had a Toronto style streetcar system, given that Seattle and Portland have one line now.

In the meantime, we'll have to make do with the glamorized tourist trolley we'll get between Granville Island and Science World.

Daguy
April 22nd, 2008, 08:21 AM
Great map Dleung! The only thing I would like as well is an LRT line down 41st from Joyce to UBC.

deasine
April 23rd, 2008, 11:30 AM
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5068/2040uc8.png
Transport 2040 ~ Done by Me

Daguy
April 23rd, 2008, 12:44 PM
^^

That's an amazing map man! One thing though, isn't the colour scheme between the Canada Line and YVR Line mixed up with the colours used on the legend?

D J M K
April 23rd, 2008, 06:40 PM
nice work,
however, i think the west coast express would become redundant if something big goes down hastings. also, you might have gradient issues going up to SFU. and finally, it looks like you have a skytrain going through my house. i might object to that. :)

DKaz
April 23rd, 2008, 07:54 PM
nice work,
however, i think the west coast express would become redundant if something big goes down hastings. also, you might have gradient issues going up to SFU. and finally, it looks like you have a skytrain going through my house. i might object to that. :)

Never! I ain't giving up my latte, high back seats, quiet interior, onboard washrooms, laptop hookup, and non stop service past Port Moody for a slow, loud, stinky, laptop unfriendly, desperately trying to hold my pee in, scolded at for having open beverages skytrain/LRT! ;) I said it before and will say it again, I would gladly pay double for a premium transit service.

mr.x
April 23rd, 2008, 08:54 PM
nice!

worldwide
April 23rd, 2008, 10:56 PM
Never! I ain't giving up my latte, high back seats, quiet interior, onboard washrooms, laptop hookup, and non stop service past Port Moody for a slow, loud, stinky, laptop unfriendly, desperately trying to hold my pee in, scolded at for having open beverages skytrain/LRT! ;) I said it before and will say it again, I would gladly pay double for a premium transit service.

he was probably just referring to the north burnaby station, not the line its self
i agree west coast express serves its purpose and is a very nice ride

ssiguy2
April 23rd, 2008, 11:46 PM
Congradulations! That is a truly excellent map for several reasons.
First, it would finally provide truly better servicce to the South of Frazer area.
Second, it uses LRT is much more cost-effective in lower density areas but also an excellent people mover.
Third, and perhaps most importantly is that it is truly do-able both in terms of costs and timelines.

I do, however, have a couple of comments.
First, I don't think LRT or SkyTrain for that matter, would be handle the steep hills on Burnaby Mountain to SFU both from the Burnaby side and the even steeper Port Moody side.
Second, with the probable closing of the Lion's gate Bridge to all traffic it could be used for an LRT to WestVan and a LRT over to NVan as the province has acknowleded a new crossing will be needed so LRT would be part of the package negating the need for SeaBus by 2030. I beleive that the City and Park's Board will demand a closing of the LG by 2030 as the original contract states but the Park's Board has said the bridge could still be used by pedestrians, bikes, and transit.

Just my thoughts but again an excellent and well thought out plan.

dleung
April 23rd, 2008, 11:58 PM
First, I don't think LRT or SkyTrain for that matter, would be handle the steep hills on Burnaby Mountain to SFU both from the Burnaby side and the even steeper Port Moody side.

Skytrain definitely won't work, but LRT should be able to handle SFU, think about the cable cars of San Fran or the trams to Victoria peak in HK. But yeah, I also wondered how to get down the Port Moody side...there's a reason why there're no roads going that way right now.

D J M K
April 24th, 2008, 12:08 AM
just a thought,

if the millennium or evergreen line goes all the way out to coquitlam and hooks up with the west coast express, what would be the point for translink to run the westcoast express west of coquitlam, especially if the westcoast express is much more highly subsidized than the skytrains?

D J M K
April 24th, 2008, 12:21 AM
also,
i believe the original plans for SFU had a some sort of train connecting the school to downtown vancouver..... however, i could not find anything to back that up.

ssiguy2
April 24th, 2008, 12:23 AM
WCE is commuter service, primarily for rush-hour long distance commuting. It also has a cost premium which people don't want to pay. They cannot provide near the servicer levels of LRT and even more so for Vancouver as the rail from POMo to Vancouver is single track and is a busy transport corridor.

SanFran trams are not motivated the same way as it regular MUNI which is LRT.

DKaz
April 24th, 2008, 12:35 AM
just a thought,

if the millennium or evergreen line goes all the way out to coquitlam and hooks up with the west coast express, what would be the point for translink to run the westcoast express west of coquitlam, especially if the westcoast express is much more highly subsidized than the skytrains?

Cancel the West Coast Express and I guarantee the roads will be clogged. A lot of the types of people who take the West Coast Express don't want to take the stinky, uncomfortable skytrains except maybe to finish the last 5 minutes of their trip. Also skytrain from Coquitlam to Vancouver could take 50 minutes or so, plus all that transferring is a pain. West Coast Express only takes 27-30 minutes. The poor may not be able to afford the West Coast Express but the middle to upper class people certainly can and will.

They cannot provide near the servicer levels of LRT and even more so for Vancouver as the rail from POMo to Vancouver is single track and is a busy transport corridor.

It's double tracked.

dleung
April 24th, 2008, 01:29 AM
Wow I'm not the only one who thinks New West needs a street car! Actually I think the entire New West to Edmonds portion of the #106 should become a street car or at the very least a trolley bus route (then they should run it all the way to Metrotown and interline with the #19).

That is Railway you're running the Steveston LRT down right? Makes the most sense to use that existing defunct rail corridor.

I don't think they'll interline the Expo and Millennium Line at Broadway-Commercial like that, if anything they'll run addition tracks from VCC-Clark up to the third platform of Stadium Station.

And I think the Arbutus LRT could continue to downtown either on the existing Burrard St bridge deck or underneath on a new deck.

Nice work otherwise! Especially the Willingdon LRT.

Overlooked ur comment earlier... yeah steveston LRT would go down Railway. It might even be better for it to go straight past Burnett Secondary to River road and the oval lands, instead of joining granville and garden city and then looping back... I'm going to give it and other suggestions some more thought and resubmit a new and improved version.

D J M K
April 24th, 2008, 02:04 AM
ssiguy and dkaz,

i'm just saying, WCE (i think i read somewhere) heavily subsidized by the various levels of gov't (and by its users). it definitely has higher operating costs than a bus or skytrain. and i'm sure the tracks are leased from a corporation (single track btw)

i would not be surprised if that if dleung plans are realized, that the last stop would be coquitlam and everybody would be force to take the skytrain downtown.

it is a possibility....

deasine
April 24th, 2008, 02:10 AM
First, I don't think LRT or SkyTrain for that matter, would be handle the steep hills on Burnaby Mountain to SFU both from the Burnaby side and the even steeper Port Moody side.

Not planning to have SkyTrain go up burnaby mountain =]. Instead, it will just run underground [go as high as it possibly can] and the stations will be deep underground.

See Page 3 of this document http://hatch.ca/Infrastructure/Design_Overview_Beacon_Hill.pdf for diagram for Beacon Hill Station of Seatte Link Rail.


Second, with the probable closing of the Lion's gate Bridge to all traffic it could be used for an LRT to WestVan and a LRT over to NVan as the province has acknowleded a new crossing will be needed so LRT would be part of the package negating the need for SeaBus by 2030.

Was thinking about that. I'm going to have to get the scales right on this map before I can make any changes. Originally, I would prefer a Light Rail running on Hastings instead of a SkyTrain. The Light Rail would run from Ampleside to Lions Gate Bridge then go underground through downtown then come back up on Hastings all the way to Burnaby Mountain.

ssiguy and dkaz,

i'm just saying, WCE (i think i read somewhere) heavily subsidized by the various levels of gov't (and by its users). it definitely has higher operating costs than a bus or skytrain. and i'm sure the tracks are leased from a corporation (single track btw)

i would not be surprised if that if dleung plans are realized, that the last stop would be coquitlam and everybody would be force to take the skytrain downtown.

it is a possibility....

The West Coast Express runs on the railways owned by Canadian Pacific Railway who is charging TransLink hefty prices [disclosed ones]. The contract is set to end in 2015 and I can bet you there will be renegotiations and will probably include double-tracking [which exists on most of the line already] and/or perhaps allowing Gov't of BC or TransLink to add overhead wires. I really hope that West Coast Express can run not just in peek hours, but any time with trains running let's say every half an hour during peek hours and one hour during nonpeek hours.

The Esprit line on the map is something a little different - its a commuter rail for the South of Fraser [not trying to be rude but ssiguy2 please get that spelling correct from now on] but uses shorter, smaller Bombardier Talent trains. It's sort of like the Westside Express Service project down in Portland.

~~~~

I will be rereleasing another, more realisitc approach to the transit in 2040. I'm pretty sure all the stuff I mentioned will not be completed.

DKaz
April 24th, 2008, 02:39 AM
ssiguy and dkaz,

i'm just saying, WCE (i think i read somewhere) heavily subsidized by the various levels of gov't (and by its users). it definitely has higher operating costs than a bus or skytrain. and i'm sure the tracks are leased from a corporation (single track btw)

i would not be surprised if that if dleung plans are realized, that the last stop would be coquitlam and everybody would be force to take the skytrain downtown.

Commuter rail is still subsidized but not as much as it used to be.

http://www.westcoastexpress.com/Facts.htm

The most subsidized portion has got to be the Mission to Maple Ridge portion, but I believe ValleyMAX subsidizes that portion. They want to add trains once the current contract expires and a new one negotiated and once they figure out how many passengers decided to switch to the slightly cheaper Evergreen Line route, but just the Vancouver to Maple Ridge portion will get more trains in its schedule.

Cancelling the WCE and adding up to 20 minutes to people's commute times would be unpopular beyond belief and people will be back to driving their cars I guarantee. Until the cost of driving is so high that people are forced to take transit, we need the West Coast Express to attract the people who normally hate transit but don't mind riding to work in the comforts of a commuter train. What I'm expecting is that people coming in from the east will using the Evergreen Line to get to their final destinations in Coquitlam, Burnaby, and New West. This will make room for the hoards of people getting on at Coquitlam who still prefer the WCE to get to downtown.

The only reason they're terminating the South of Fraser commuter buses at Bridgeport is that the Canada Line can get passengers to downtown faster than the buses can even with the transfer. Skytrain would be slower than WCE. Oh they only have to pay $136 a month with Skytrain vs. $161 a month on WCE whoopee.

D J M K
April 24th, 2008, 03:02 AM
^^
fair enough.

those are some interesting figures about WCE provided. its too bad 2006 + 2007 data is not provided.

D J M K
May 1st, 2008, 02:01 AM
just another thought

i believe there already is a tunnel underneath burnaby, from willingdon & alaska to just underneath the 2nd narrows. you can see it on google maps.

i have no idea if it still in use, but it might be usefull for future development.

urbanfan89
May 2nd, 2008, 07:19 AM
Wow! The Millennium Line will be enter the Guinness Records Book for "Funniest Shaped Metro Line"!

Pavlov's Dog
August 11th, 2008, 08:19 PM
As an outsider looking in I have a couple of my own pet dreams.

1- HSR

I'd love to see a Cascade High Speed rail line from Eugene to Vancouver. A configuration from Downtown Waterfront along existing but upgraded rights of ways and over the new bridge to Surrey in a tunnel with a stop at Surrey Central. This would allow for a hub there for local services to branch out from there. A travel time of 12-15 minutes from Surrey to Downtown would be feasible. The tunnel ( a two level cut and cover allowing for both express and local service) under the King George Highway) would emerge at about Newton for continued local service in the southern Fraser Valley and at the edge of the ridge. Another local branch could service South Surrey and White Rock branches. While the infrastructure costs for such an endeavor would be huge they could dramatically reduce travel time not only within Cascadia but more importantly for those in Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Valley.

HSR Main corridor: Vancouver-Surrey-Bellingham-Everett-Seattle-Tacoma-Fort Vancouver-Portland-Tualatin-Salem-Eugene

2- Express Passenger Ferry network emanating from a new terminal on the YVR property serviced by an extension of the Canada Line. YVR would then become a true multi-modal hub.

Frequent express boats to Namaimo and Sidney/Victoria with possible additonal services to Gulf Islands.

G5man
August 11th, 2008, 10:38 PM
HSR I will 110% agree with you. From this side of the border, the Washington State DOT has a plan to build some HSR right of ways along the I-5 corridor but still wants the Mount Vernon and Bellingham connections. There is also a plan to build a new customs facility at the Peace Arch. What is to be accomplished by 2023 is that the trains could run at 120 mph (I wish they would just bring some Acela's electrify the grid and start building HSRs on I-5) Now with a recent multi billion dollar injection to Amtrak by Congress, this might happen sooner along with high gas prices.

NetMapel
August 11th, 2008, 10:47 PM
I agree a high speed train service (like bullet train) in the Vancouver region will be expensive. However, it will be a highly visionary development that, if done correctly, will attract many businesses and people to come to Vancouver. I agree that linking Vancouver and Seattle with such service will be an excellent start.

I mean, just look at the three Bourne movies ! They advertise the heck out of trains haha ;)

dleung
October 8th, 2008, 08:47 AM
Updated map, with several more LRT routes in the suburbs. Notice I am very Richmond-centric. But we're talking about 25-30 years down the road though, when the single family homes become 4-12 storey mixed-use village-type developments. The only single-family districts would be the West Side outside of the nodes, the most sensitive parts of the North Shore (ie towards Lighthouse park/up the mountain), Point Grey, and some suburban areas where high-density is impractical due to topography or remoteness or unfeasibility of public transit.

The interesting ones:
-North Shore LRTs for upscale mini-high-rise mixed-use districts (granted the nimbys get mature about it)
-Como Lake LRT for 6-12 storey mostly-residential type development along the ridge
-Ioco LRT for similar development as Como Lake LRT
-A South Fraser LRT, with tracks crossing the fraser integrated into the eventual Port Mann bridge upgrade.
-The LRTs in Richmond would serve 4-storey condo/retail corridors 6 blocks deep that would make up 60% of the city, (granted we don't sink into the pacific before that happens.)

As for existing and future downtowns, I'm thinking of districts about 2x larger and 2x denser than Metrotown currently. The ones on the North Shore would be consist of smaller buildings, and more spread out, with greenery in between. Obviously Brentwood has potential to become pretty large. I didn't do a category for "future nodes", as it is assumed that there would be mid-to-high-rise nodes at every skytrain station. Oh yeah, I forgot to put yellow in the legend- seabus.

The most radical thing in this proposal, besides the densification of Vancouver/Burnaby south, is a new large downtown core (2/3 the size of downtown Van) just south of SFU encompassing 4 skytrain stations. It will be centred on the ravine valley running right through the area... should make for some interesting cityscapes. Seeing that several of the eastern suburban lines will intersect here, it will be pretty busy.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2325/subways2030bcp9.jpg

ssiguy2
October 8th, 2008, 09:11 AM
A good map although Imust admit I find it a bit unrealistic within even 50 years.
Couple of comments........the commuter rail line from Scott Rd Sky to WhiteRock would be a waste of money with little ridership. It is FAR faster just to take the WR BRT to Canada Line, it is a very indirect route, and only two potential stops in the entire area of WR/SS.
The commuter line from Langley to SR Skystation is a good one but should go over the Fraser all the way downtown using the rail along Lougheed/MLine corridor. It should run all day using smaller trains a la Ottawa OTrain or the new bus-trains which are buses that can , obviously, run on roads but can also transfer to rail lines immediatly. This is what Translink should be using along the WCE during the day but that would require vision on Translink's part and Translink doesn't do the vision thing.

deasine
October 11th, 2008, 08:19 AM
http://members.shaw.ca/myscribbles/Metro%20Transit%20reduced%202.png

W1 is a TrainBus (forgot to include that)

nova9
October 12th, 2008, 04:12 AM
I like the airbus. Haha. I've seen some talk of it on these forums but what's the possibility that this mode is a real consideration?

Also, pardon my ignorance, but are R1 through R5 just buses? Does the R stand for road bus?

Anyway, thanks for this. I'd love to see fantasy brought into reality.

deasine
October 12th, 2008, 06:56 AM
I like the airbus. Haha. I've seen some talk of it on these forums but what's the possibility that this mode is a real consideration?

Also, pardon my ignorance, but are R1 through R5 just buses? Does the R stand for road bus?

Anyway, thanks for this. I'd love to see fantasy brought into reality.

I liked AirBus too. If you can believe it, I thought of the name randomly and didn't realize it was the same name as the plane -___-"

The "R" buses are RapidBus, which is the new name of the next generation of B-Line BRTs for Vancouver?

I just modified the map slightly so it can fit onto more peoples screen. It's still pretty big right now but it just fits on mine right now =P

rbostyle
January 27th, 2009, 02:17 AM
After visiting these forums for a good year or so, I figured it'd finally be time to sign up and get an account. I've been working on a 20 year plan over the past 2 nights, and this is where I am so far. The shot isn't the greatest, but it's all in google earth so I could get as accurate as possible (with the google maps terain image imported for cleanliness/ease of viewing). The Google Earth WIP .kmz can be downloaded here (http://www.robertwesley.com/transit/metrovan.kmz) (stations don't load correctly if importing onto maps.google)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3227588533_83c12a7ef0.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbostyle/3227588533/sizes/o/in/photostream/)
(click for bigger)

A brief description so far:
(there was more thought behind everything, but I'll explain all that once I'm finished, as I have yet to complete the loop - something going out to the ferries and meeting up with the blue line, as well as the inclusion of the west coast express)

Generally, my plan was to have stations in the larger centres, and near universities/colleges, because people won't use transit if their destination requires too many transfers. As well, much of the development south of the fraser isn't even visible on the satellite images of google earth, so although some stations may seem useless, the present-day situation is much different. I've also elected to rename the vancouver/burnaby lines to colours, to allow for much easier recognition (i.e. in station paint schemes/maps). That said:

The red line from waterfront to king george exists as the expo line, but i've added a few more stations swinging behind surrey memorial hospital and back to king george hwy, hitting bear creek park, kings cross, and down to newton to meet up with the purple line just south of 72nd.

The yellow line from columbia to vcc-clark exists as the millenium line, with a number of other people locating this proposed extension to ubc, with a station just north of prince edward before passing main-kingsway, meeting the blue line at broadway-city hall, and continuing down 10th (with station entrances on broadway) with stations at oak, granville (with red line "granville" renamed "downtown-granville"), arbutus, etc. until it enters UBC and finishes just west of wesbrook mall, at the ubc bus exchange.

The blue line is the under construction canada line and should be done this summer, though I added in the proposed future station at 33nd Ave, and renamed it Queen Elizabeth.

And the green line is the proposed evergreen line, though i've reconfigured it to take over the old millenium line track from columbia to lougheed, then continue out to douglas college in poco, with some elevated, some underground, and some at-grade segments. (meets up with the west coast express at the port moody station and coquitlam center station)

The purple line/interurban is part of the old interurban that people are trying to get back on track, which I have starting just down the hill from columbia station, across the rail bridge and up through delta/surrey, with stops in nordel, newton, sullivan, cloverdale, langley, glover, and on to twu before passing over the eastbound lanes of HWY1 to follow the median out to abbotsford.

The sea foam line/south fraser line meets up at the transit village at surrey central (which i've renamed surrey centre cause it's more inline with the naming standards throughout the region) then goes up to 104th and out to guildford, turning down 152nd to fraser hwy, through fleetwood, clayton heights, and ending up passing through langley centre and out to kwantlen before the terminus with the interurban at glover. The stops are closer together than skytrain because it'd likely be an at-grade light rail, so the more stops the better.

The peach line/white rock line heads south along 152nd from sullivan (64th) stopping at morgan creek, semiahmoo, white rock centre, and pacific ave. I'm not sure what tech the peach and sea foam lines would be, but mixed elevated/ground-level light rail could work.

And then there's the 200th st line going up from willowbrook (connecting with the fraser line), stopping at the new sports centre, and ending up north of the collosus in walnut grove.

And lastly the boundary line in van/burnaby going south along boundary from the hastings bus exchange, curving up towards joyce-collingwood, and then out along w41st past oakridge ending up in kerrisdale. It'd likely be ground-level until collingwood (though good luck in the areas around grandview and HWY1) before heading underground along 41st.

At this point I'm really just looking for feedback. Living in the area around 64th and 120th in delta is a pain for getting anywhere. I.e. I used to go to school at the SFU Surrey campus, I would bus out to 22nd st station and train back to surrey central. It was the fastest and most reliable route. To get anywhere out in Langley, it's virtually impossible with any realistic timeline, hence why surrey has a little more emphasis than dleung's burnaby-centric model (which is not a negative comment :)).

rbostyle
January 27th, 2009, 07:52 AM
Just gave the network a substantial upgrade.

Now have the yellow line going the SE route up to the Port Coquitlam WCE station, where the green line also meets up. On the surrey/langley side, I extended the 200th/Golden Ears line up across the Golden Ears bridge to meet the Maple Ridge WCE station. Then we have the white Ladner line leaving Nordel station, down nordel, winding under the alex fraser with a few stops for the industries along River Road, before going south through ladner, and past tsawwassen to the ferry terminal. At Ladner Trunk station, the Lulu line meets it, and travels north into Richmond with a terminus at the Richmond-Brighouse Blue line station.

It's all accurate down to a few metres, though I confess to not being entirely sure how it would work in some areas, especially the Lulu, cause you can't tunnel through that ground, and the streets are super narrow..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/3230088581_28b8f7affd.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbostyle/3230088581/sizes/o/)
Again, click for big, and here (http://www.robertwesley.com/transit/MetroVan2040.kmz)'s the Google Earth data which again, doesn't show the stations correctly if you import it to google maps.
Also, here (http://www.robertwesley.com/transit/metrovan2040transfer.jpg)'s a map of just the routes and transfer points.

And I need to make myself stop now. /turns off SimVancouver.

rbostyle
January 28th, 2009, 04:16 AM
Another update to the map. The newton/north delta/fleetwood area wasn't working right. So I've retooled through the area, ending up with much more effective routes, and less redundancy. As well, now we can get the surrey kwantlen campus connected, scott road via nordel, and 72nd at surrey lake.

Looking at it again I can already see changes I'd want to make on the south fraser line, like removing the Surrey Golf Course stop, the 96th avenue stop, and combining the 88th and 160th stops.

Disclaimer: the south fraser, white rock, and golden ears lines are intended to be at-grade median light rail (or on the shoulder along agricultural lands) or median-elevated light rail in the denser areas. i.e. Good luck convincing them to dedicate 2.5 or 3 lanes on fraser hwy for a 2-way light rail line, but you can bet it would be worth it..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3488/3233074298_7c0b82407b.jpg?v=0 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rbostyle/3233074298/sizes/o/)

I'm ready to go for a ride, how 'bout you?
(for now, download the google map routes (http://www.robertwesley.com/transit/southfrasertransit.kmz))