View Full Version : Traditional architecture towns in Turkey #3: Adatepe
Doukan April 22nd, 2008, 06:02 AM http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1595/treunewsx5ln7.gif (http://imageshack.us)
History:
Adatepe village, which is surrounded by olive tres and pine forests, is located on the far west slopes of mythological Mt.Ida. The altar of Zeus located near the village is a great evidence for the historical background of the human settlement in the village. During the Byzantine and Ottoman periods, village was setteled by both Turks and Greeks. The village used to be a great settlement area. In Ottoman times, village became famous with its olive oil, and soaps. Population was way higher than its now. Some elderly locals stil remember the days when the village was populated by 400 households and 8 pubs, 2 butchers, 6 groceries, 1 draper, 1 blacksmith, 3 barbers, 1 lighter, 2 tailors, 3 olive oil factories, 1 bakery, 1 reading-hall, 1 guest-hall, 1 committee hall and a cinema functioning. In course of time, village lost its significance. As an aftermath of WWI, due to the population exchange agreement between Greece and Turkey, the village lost it's Greek community. Then, in late 1940's, many locals migrated to the big cities for a job. The town lost some of its significant buildings due to the lack of good care. In 1993, couple young entrepreneurs decided to sell the famous olive oil and soap of Adatepe. The new olive oil brand chose the Greek beuty Refika from 19th century as their symbol. This was due to the Turkish villagers wish. According to a myth, Refika was a Greek girl who was loved by both Turkish and Greek community. However, after the WWI, she left the town with the Greek community for the island of Chios(Sakiz). This caused a great affect on the Turkish community. After she left, the local people made songs, wrote poems and told stories about her. This tradition still continues. There were even rumours that Refika became the first Miss.Greek ever. Later on, the owners of the olive oil company decided to find her. They were unsucessfull but at least they found a picture of this beutiful girl in a Greek bazaar. They brought it to Adatepe. This made villagers to cry and claim that the girl is Refika. Now, Refika is the symbol of the olive oil company and the town.
Architecture:
The Ottoman mosque of the village and the tomb stones of its cemetery are counted to be the witnesses of the history. Unfortunately, the Church and the Greek cemetery existed until 1940s, but lost in time. There are only 28 housholds in Adatepe but they all are well preserved. There are couple pansions, cafes and restaurants that attract tourists.
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Doukan April 22nd, 2008, 06:07 AM more pics will be up soon. :)
ps: butun resimler tarafimdan editlenip renk ayari yapilmistir. ;)
Doukan April 22nd, 2008, 10:06 AM any requests for the NEXT "traditional architecture town" thread??? :)
Jünyus Brütüs April 22nd, 2008, 12:44 PM Beautiful pictures, lovely people and warm place...
Messi April 22nd, 2008, 01:57 PM Wow nice mixture! Ottoman and Greek architecture. Do you think Greeks used to live in Greek houses and Ottomans and Ottoman houses?
PepperJackCheese April 22nd, 2008, 09:38 PM I don't really see the Greek architecture here. Looks like a very characteristic Turkish town for the region.
Great pics, thanks.
Artagun April 22nd, 2008, 10:08 PM Wow nice mixture! Ottoman and Greek architecture. Do you think Greeks used to live in Greek houses and Ottomans and Ottoman houses?
greeks were ottomans too... you mean greek and turkish I assume. Ottoman is an identity embracing all nations which lived under ottoman empire.
Messi April 22nd, 2008, 10:37 PM If I had said Turks someone had said "they were Ottoman" :D
Messi April 22nd, 2008, 10:38 PM I don't really see the Greek architecture here. Looks like a very characteristic Turkish town for the region.
Great pics, thanks.
Then you don't understand that much! I mean just about architecture.
Istanbullu April 23rd, 2008, 02:45 PM great pics and thread.. :okay: wasn't aware of this town at all!
Doukan April 24th, 2008, 03:58 AM A hotel near Adatepe.
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Doukan April 24th, 2008, 04:04 AM Wow nice mixture! Ottoman and Greek architecture. Do you think Greeks used to live in Greek houses and Ottomans and Ottoman houses?
Well obviously there is a Mediteranean influence on the architecture since the village is located just by the Agean Sea. Also there should be some Greek influence too since Turks and Greeks lived together for centuries. All architectures are influenced from each other. But afterall its obviously a nice and warm Turkish town. :)
System_Halted April 24th, 2008, 05:16 PM A hotel near Adatepe.
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Fantastic hotel..
PepperJackCheese April 28th, 2008, 12:31 AM Then you don't understand that much! I mean just about architecture.
What's your problem?
Messi April 28th, 2008, 12:53 AM why should I have any problem?
PepperJackCheese April 28th, 2008, 03:32 AM why should I have any problem?
You should explain your ideas in a civilized manner instead of just immediately saying "you don't know anything about architecture". Is that how you treat people in real life as well?
neorion April 28th, 2008, 06:25 AM ^^ He's right, if you can't see that this town has quintessential Ottoman Greek architecture then you don't know much about architecture or at least architecture of the region. Let me try to explain for you. :)
This building in Adatepe is in typical Ottoman Greek style.
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As common as you would find in many other former Ottoman Greek towns of this region near the Aegean in Turkey and in nearby towns on Greek islands, such as Molyvos and Petra on Lesbos.
Molyvos buildings.
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Petra: Typical Ottoman Greek building with exposed stone, classical quoins and window dressings, such as the one above in Adatepe. Many Greek buildings also featured small balconies such as the building on the right and the one above in Adatepe.
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One defining factor about Ottoman Greek and Ottoman Turkish architecture is that Greeks were predominantly master stone masons and Turks were masters in carpentry, hence the different styles of architecture, often evident in the same town as both communities lived side by side. However, quite often buildings featured both elements, stone and woodwork and most likely were built through collaboration.
Typical Ottoman Turkish building with enclosed balcony, woodwork and rendered exterior.
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The Builders
The masons, plasterers and street pavers were the Greek master workmen. The maintenance of the irrigation channels was also performed by the Greeks. It was considered humiliating for a Turk to undertake a job normally done by the Greeks. The story is told of a Turk taking up masonry after the Greeks left, who was nicknamed "Barba Mehmet" .But the masters carpentry were the Turks. In general, four carpenters, one of which was the master responsible for all the work worked in the construction of a house. Turks undertook carpentry work in Greek houses as well. That is why stone craftsmanship can more frequently be seen in the Greek homes. Carpenters came mostly from the Bulak and Gayiza villages. The builders were organized under the guild system. Both the master workers and the ordinary workers were paid daily wages and given meals as well.
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any requests for the NEXT "traditional architecture town" thread??? :) Yes, I have some requests. Try looking at these towns near the Aegean with their wealth of beautiful Ottoman Greek architecture (although much of it in urgent need of restoration) due to their establishment by Greeks and predominant Greek population until the exchange of populations in the twentieth century.
Here's some background info...:)
Aydin (Aydin), Şirince (Şirince), Kalkan (Kalkan), Foca (Foca), Ayvalik (Ayvalik), Alaçatı (Alaçatı), Cesme (Cesme) etc...
:cheers:
Messi April 28th, 2008, 03:00 PM You should explain your ideas in a civilized manner instead of just immediately saying "you don't know anything about architecture". Is that how you treat people in real life as well?
I don't think I wasn't uncivilized. If someone says that many of the buildings seen above don't have Greek characteristics (which is really obvious) then this person doesn't know much about the issue. This is not an insult, it's not like that everyone should be aware of typical characteristics of all architecture styles.
Beside that I just said "wow a nice town with Turkish and Greek architecture combined" which is quite obvious to me. Then your answer was like "It doesn't look Greek, typical Turkish architecture of the region" You could have asked me before making such a statement why I think it is Greek then I had given you an answer but you made this statement so overconfidently.
PepperJackCheese April 28th, 2008, 08:13 PM I don't think I wasn't uncivilized.
Unless you made a grammatic mistake I'm glad you agree with me, I agree with you 100% on this.
If someone says that many of the buildings seen above don't have Greek characteristics (which is really obvious) then this person doesn't know much about the issue. This is not an insult, it's not like that everyone should be aware of typical characteristics of all architecture styles.
Beside that I just said "wow a nice town with Turkish and Greek architecture combined" which is quite obvious to me. Then your answer was like "It doesn't look Greek, typical Turkish architecture of the region" You could have asked me before making such a statement why I think it is Greek then I had given you an answer but you made this statement so overconfidently.
First of all, I never meant my first post as a reply to you, if I did I would've quoted your post.
I made a statement overconfidently? I didn't say "this can't be Greek". When I said "I don't really see the Greek architecture here" I meant what about these buildings is so specifically unique to Greek architecture that you can't find it in Turkish architecture? Maybe you don't understand the difference between stating something as an opinion and stating something as a fact.
If you don't have something nice to say don't say it all, or maybe in our case it'd be nicer if you just didn't say anything to me anymore period.
PepperJackCheese April 28th, 2008, 08:32 PM ^^ He's right, if you can't see that this town has quintessential Ottoman Greek architecture then you don't know much about architecture or at least architecture of the region. Let me try to explain for you. :)
This building in Adatepe is in typical Ottoman Greek style.
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5071/54578418yl6.jpg
As common as you would find in many other former Ottoman Greek towns of this region near the Aegean in Turkey and in nearby towns on Greek islands, such as Molyvos and Petra on Lesbos.
Molyvos buildings.
http://i28.picdrive.com/fwofy43koshj.jpg?9485
Petra: Typical Ottoman Greek building with exposed stone, classical quoins and window dressings, such as the one above in Adatepe. Many Greek buildings also featured small balconies such as the building on the right and the one above in Adatepe.
http://i28.picdrive.com/blg7n21o8wys.jpg?6513
One defining factor about Ottoman Greek and Ottoman Turkish architecture is that Greeks were predominantly master stone masons and Turks were masters in carpentry, hence the different styles of architecture, often evident in the same town as both communities lived side by side. However, quite often buildings featured both elements, stone and woodwork and most likely were built through collaboration.
Typical Ottoman Turkish building with enclosed balcony, woodwork and rendered exterior.
http://i28.picdrive.com/9cl0ni1m7dag.jpg?6492
Again, don't be pretentious and tell me what I do or don't know about the region or about architecture. I have a house in Cesme and I've had two 2-story stone village houses built from the ground up in Menemen. The stone was brought in domestically, the furnaces were brought from a Turkish town in the Black Sea, and domestic labor did the hard work. So I do know a thing or two about architecture and have extensively traveled the region.
Calling buildings in Alacati and Adatepe Ottoman Greek is one thing (since they were literally built mostly by Ottoman Greeks), but saying that type of architecture is exclusively Greek is something else. I have issue with that, because by that logic just because the houses I had built were made from stone and tiled roofs, that makes them Greek.
By the way if you're Greek (I'm assuming you are), there is still an old Greek-Muslim community in Alacati that are very open to conversations. Apparently they still keep in touch with liberal democratic political parties in Greece.
I uploaded this picture especially for you, from Alacati (to the left of me was the barbershop where I went, you can see little bit of the sign):
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Messi April 28th, 2008, 10:18 PM Unless you made a grammatic mistake I'm glad you agree with me, I agree with you 100% on this.
First of all, I never meant my first post as a reply to you, if I did I would've quoted your post.
I made a statement overconfidently? I didn't say "this can't be Greek". When I said "I don't really see the Greek architecture here" I meant what about these buildings is so specifically unique to Greek architecture that you can't find it in Turkish architecture? Maybe you don't understand the difference between stating something as an opinion and stating something as a fact.
If you don't have something nice to say don't say it all, or maybe in our case it'd be nicer if you just didn't say anything to me anymore period.
Grammatical mistake if you we going to correct simple things ;)
:lol: But ok, forget my posts, I don't see any sesne in your posts regarding this topic. You give your house an example and say that the stones are from Turkey, have you ever thought that you just immitated the existing architecture in the region which has Greek influence? The stones don't make it Turkish.
Messi April 28th, 2008, 10:21 PM I see some Greek forumers who can't admit the existence of Turkish architecture in Greece although it's so obvious and if I see some Turks behaving the same way, I need to be objective.
neorion April 29th, 2008, 08:19 PM ^^ That's a shame because there's obviously quite a bit of Ottoman Turkish architecture in Greece and elsewhere in the Balkans, much of it very beautiful. It shows maturity and intelligence to be objective, well done. I'll try to make a thread of the Ottoman Turkish architecture in Greece one of these days.
Again, don't be pretentious and tell me what I do or don't know about the region or about architecture. I have a house in Cesme and I've had two 2-story stone village houses built from the ground up in Menemen. The stone was brought in domestically, the furnaces were brought from a Turkish town in the Black Sea, and domestic labor did the hard work. So I do know a thing or two about architecture and have extensively traveled the region.
Calling buildings in Alacati and Adatepe Ottoman Greek is one thing (since they were literally built mostly by Ottoman Greeks), but saying that type of architecture is exclusively Greek is something else. I have issue with that, because by that logic just because the houses I had built were made from stone and tiled roofs, that makes them Greek. No, I'm not saying that since you made buildings from stone and tiled roofs they're Greek. I'm not talking about the possesive, the person who owns them. I'm talking about the style of architecture and there are many styles of architecture that are built of stone and tiled roofs. If your buildings are an exact copy of the historical Ottoman Greek style then perhaps they can be described as 'neo-Ottoman Greek' or something, but I doubt they're the exact style. I suppose the contemporary style of stone buildings has a name in Turkish? Just remember, Ottoman implies the era, and Greek, the style of the buildings. So together Ottoman-Greek means Greek buildings of the Ottoman era.
Anyway, did you read the links I provided? Because you don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but take it from those sources which are mainly Turkish.
Here they are again.
Aydin (Aydin), Şirince (Şirince), Kalkan (Kalkan), Foca (Foca), Ayvalik (Ayvalik), Alaçatı (Alaçatı), Cesme (Cesme)
Now let's take one source, the article about Ayvalik (Aeolis or Aeoliki as it is known in Greek). One of the most Ottoman Greek towns in the region in the past, with its distinct Greek architecture.
Turkish Daily News
Until a few years ago, Ayvalik on Turkey's Aegean coast (160 kilometers to the north of Izmir) was a nostalgic town, full of memories for the elderly on the Greek island of Lesvos. A trip across the island often brought back sad memories -- scenes of old men and women in tears standing in front of houses that wearily boast the fine Ottoman-Greek architecture of the 19th century, homes where they or their parents were born but had to leave. Scenes of elderly Turks greeting the former inhabitants of the houses they now occupy, coffee over friendly talk, the inevitable hugging and a sad good-bye...
Last year, Ayvalik lured 134,000 foreign tourists, and nearly 100,000 of them were Greeks. According to Ayvalik Mayor Hasan Bülent Türkozen, the Greeks injected some $10 million into the town's economy, excluding the service sector...
Ayvalik, despite the ugly 1970s architecture dotted around the harbor, and even uglier “villas” surrounding its beaches, preserves the Ottoman-Greek heritage in its old town, which the government declared in the 1980s a historical site. The old buildings cannot be demolished, but restoring them is such a painful and costly bureaucratic process that few inhabitants have dared to venture, hence the poor condition of most buildings...
At the turn of the last century, 95 percent of Ayvalik's populace was Greek, with the remaining 5 percent being Ottoman officials and military personnel. Ayvalik is also the first Ottoman town that won administrative autonomy (in the 19th century) from the Istanbul government...
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Some of the fine stone Greek architecture of Ayvalik.
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A tell-tale sign that it's historic Ottoman Greek architecture in Turkey is the classical form and details of many of the buildings. A style commonly used by Greeks in the 18th and 19th century and proudly considered part of their heritage. Istanbul in particular is full of classical-style buildings constructed by Greeks, but other styles were popular as well going into the 20th century, such as art nouveau, which of course is non-Greek (but that's another long story).
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A beautifully restored former Greek house, now the Kydonia Guest House. Kydonia was the old Greek name of the area.
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Former Greek school
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Abondoned Greek church
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Greek church converted to Mosque
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The beautiful interior of the former church with its classical Greek features.
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Notice the beautiful iconostasis
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By the way if you're Greek (I'm assuming you are), there is still an old Greek-Muslim community in Alacati that are very open to conversations. Apparently they still keep in touch with liberal democratic political parties in Greece.
I uploaded this picture especially for you, from Alacati (to the left of me was the barbershop where I went, you can see little bit of the sign):
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj9/pepperjackcheese88/alacatisokak.jpg Thank you, lovely place Alacati. Many of the Greek residents who had to leave that town went to my island of Chios, which isn't too far from there.
BTW, Alacati is also the former home of Greek Nobel Prize laureate for literature, George Seferis.
His house can be seen here in Alacati with the Greek flag hanging from it.
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System_Halted April 29th, 2008, 09:28 PM Yes, there are many newly built houses in Ottoman-Greek Style in those areas, in order to fit the historic ambiance of the areas. Port Alaçatı for instance features a new downtown area for Alaçatı consisting of completely new but Ottoman-Greek style houses. http://www.portalacati.org/
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=334692
Btw, isn't it strange that although Şirince was dominantly Greek, buildings fit to mainly Ottoman-Turkish Style? There are some small stonework houses also but not the majority, maybe something related to the natural sources of area?
neorion April 29th, 2008, 11:46 PM Yes, there are many newly built houses in Ottoman-Greek Style in those areas, in order to fit the historic ambiance of the areas. Port Alaçatı for instance features a new downtown area for Alaçatı consisting of completely new but Ottoman-Greek style houses. http://www.portalacati.org/
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=334692 Interesting. There's been a few developments in Greece as well, masterplans of new 'traditional-style' towns such as Pitiousa (Pitiousa) (click on Housing), by neo-classicist architect Dimitri Porphyrios.
Btw, isn't it strange that although Şirince was dominantly Greek, buildings fit to mainly Ottoman-Turkish Style? There are some small stonework houses also but not the majority, maybe something related to the natural sources of area? Yes, you're probably right, good observation. Local materials no doubt influences and determines building styles in most places, even to this day. However, IMHO the buildings' morphology (structure and form) in Sirince can still pass for Ottoman Greek and are more than likely constructed of stone, yet are rendered over. And also have added wooden features typical of Ottoman Turkish houses. I don't doubt there could have been influences and a crossing of styles (and perhaps taste and fashion) during those times, as I alluded to previously (collaboration).
Sirince houses
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Doukan April 30th, 2008, 02:06 AM ^^
Neiron thanks for the information. But can you please delete the pics. It may confuse people. After all this is a picture thread of Adatepe.
Btw, yes of course Turks and Greek have many things in common. And architecture is one of them. Greeks surely influenced us, and we ifluenced them too. Also depends on the village, city or town there can be more influence. Just as Greek influence in Izmir (Smyrna) or Turkish influence in Selanik (Thessalonica). But neiron I dont agree with you on that Greek architecture thing. During the Ottoman Era Greeks played a great role in empire. They were bankers, artists, architects etc. However it doesnt make the buildings Greeks cause it was designed by Greek architects. For example, in Kartal-Istanbul, there is a project to build a new modern city and the architect is an Iraqi women. Surely, Kartal wont be a modern Arabic provience for sure. I hope that makes sense. As I said, of course there is a Greek influence on architecture, overall all Northern Mediteranean cultures have this type of architecture. So I think its a little wrong to say that It belongs to a certain nation. Serbs have Turkish type of looking buildings eventhough the buildings are not Turkish. Lets celebrate our similarities and diversity and end this discussion before it gets more complicated. :cheers:
Thanks for the advice, I'll definetly take that into consideration :)
neorion April 30th, 2008, 03:07 AM But neiron I dont agree with you on that Greek architecture thing. During the Ottoman Era Greeks played a great role in empire. They were bankers, artists, architects etc. However it doesnt make the buildings Greeks cause it was designed by Greek architects. I'm talking about the style of architecture that Greeks employed during OIttoman times. I mean read the link from the Turkish websites if you don't agree with me, they themselves call the style Ottoman Greek architecture.
For example, in Kartal-Istanbul, there is a project to build a new modern city and the architect is an Iraqi women. Surely, Kartal wont be a modern Arabic provience for sure. I hope that makes sense. I'm sorry but that is nonsense. You can't make a comparison between Zaha Hadid's project in Istanbul with the historical style of architecture of the Ottoman Greeks, an entire ethnic group. I don't understand the correlation you're trying to make or at least it's misguided.
Lets celebrate our similarities and diversity and end this discussion before it gets more complicated. :cheers:
If you want to end the discussion that's fine, but I don't see any harm in it. :cheers:
Doukan April 30th, 2008, 09:57 AM ^^
can you please delete the pics. it has nothing to do with Adatepe.
Kuvvaci April 30th, 2008, 10:30 AM ^^ why?
it is nice... but not changing the subject instead of deleting the pics, neorion can give just links of the picture to protect the sutructure of the thread. Otherwise, the pix are okay to me.
@neorion, these are what is called "Rum evi" in Turkey. Even in Istanbul, there is this style.
Istanbullu April 30th, 2008, 02:00 PM that's the style(greek) suitable for south western coasts of Turkey anyway.. stone houses with flat roofs are suitable for warmer climates.. while traditional turkish ones are for northern regions..
neorion April 30th, 2008, 03:38 PM ^^ why?
it is nice... but not changing the subject instead of deleting the pics, neorion can give just links of the picture to protect the sutructure of the thread. Otherwise, the pix are okay to me.
@neorion, these are what is called "Rum evi" in Turkey. Even in Istanbul, there is this style. I suppose 'evi' means style? I didn't know the Turkish description. I appreciate your input Kuvvaci as I'm aware you're a pundit on the topic. :cheers:
Messi April 30th, 2008, 03:46 PM it means house.
Kuvvaci April 30th, 2008, 03:55 PM I suppose 'evi' means style? I didn't know the Turkish description. I appreciate your input Kuvvaci as I'm aware you're a pundit on the topic. :cheers:
Rum evi means The Roum House. The houses or buildings wich are in the same style although sometimes material and some decoration and color differences are obvious.
neorion April 30th, 2008, 04:01 PM ^^ I see...:cheers:
Doukan April 30th, 2008, 10:37 PM ^^ I see...:cheers:
i guess uve a mental problem or just having a hard time understanding english. delete the pics. you can put the links but this is confusing to put the pictures. it looks like these buildings are in Adatepe eventhough they are not. delete them!
Messi May 1st, 2008, 02:39 PM Calm down and don't insult anyone and especially without any reason! He wrote down where these buildings are located and beside this what may happen if some forumers think that these buildings are located in Adatepe? Their world picture will be destroyed or what?
System_Halted May 1st, 2008, 05:44 PM Doukan, it is not a big problem as they are consantrated in some particular messages and tagged, Adatepe pics are on a seperate page. It could be a problem if the messages were mixed, but now it seems acceptable. ;)
Doukan May 2nd, 2008, 09:30 AM i cant believe how nice and forgiving people we turks are...
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