Chennai Flyover Projects [Archive] - Page 18

murlee

January 30th, 2012, 11:36 AM

Flyover work on after traffic trial

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_horizontal/article-images/30pg5lead.jpg.crop_display.jpg

Axing of over a dozen trees near Siddha medical college, Chennai, for ongoing flyover works has caused concern among Anna Nagar residents.

After initial hiccups, works on the twin flyovers connecting Nelson Manickam Road and Anna Arch Road (3rd Avenue Road), at an estimated cost of Rs 117 crore, has gained momentum with the Traffic Police completing the “one-way” trial at Nelson Manickam Salai.

The flyovers and two pedestrian subways will help motorists and other road users jump over the busy Poonamallee High Road without having to wait at two busy traffic signals — near Nelson Manickam Road and Anna Arch Junction.

Works are now going apace at the Siddha Medicinal Plant farm opposite the Government Siddha Medical College, said sources in the Highways Department, adding, “The two-year long project that started in May 2011 will only be completed by the end of 2013 owing to delays caused in land acquisition.”

Officials are now waiting for the Traffic Police’s nod for initiating works at Nelson Manickam Road. “Once we get the nod, Nelson Manickam Road will be made one-way for vehicles coming from Choolaimedu subway where they have to take a detour via MR Hospital before joining P.H. Road. Police have already completed trials for making the stretch a one-way,” sources added.

Meanwhile, environmentalists and residents have expressed concerns regarding felling of over a dozen trees along the Anna Nagar stretch. “The trees that were providing shade were axed by the officials. We doubt whether they will be replaced with new saplings,” said Mr K. Ramadoss, a civic activist.

Highways officials, however, clarified that they would plant the trees. “We will follow the court order in this regard and will be planting 190 saplings and actions have been taken to replant 20 small trees,” said officials.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/flyover-work-after-traffic-trial-123

vijayvmail

January 30th, 2012, 12:15 PM

^^ They regularly talk only about the two flyover. The above article also mentions 2 pedestrian subways. What about the vehicle subway from Anna arch turning right into PH road? Is that dropped from the plan? If not, shouldn't that be finished before the piling for pillars is started?

prabhu007

January 30th, 2012, 12:50 PM

Dont worry prabhu. iam 100% sure before 2014 parliament elections, this flyover will be inaugurated.:)

I appreciate your optimism :)

karkal

February 1st, 2012, 03:10 AM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Relief-after-4-years-LB-Road-flyover-to-be-a-reality-soon/articleshow/11708557.cms

CHENNAI: Long-pending pleas from the residents of Neelankarai, Palavakkam, Thiruvanmiyur and others along the East Coast Road may soon be addressed with the Corporation planning to float tenders to hire a consultant to build a flyover at the Lattice Bridge Road Junction in Thiruvanmiyur.

The proposal was first mooted by members of the ECR Resident Welfare Association in 2008. "Acquiring land was a major hurdle. There were several private owners to acquire land from according to the plan. So it was scrapped," said a corporation official. "Also the proposal was in the previous regime, when there was no effort to take it forward," he said. The project was mentioned in the civic budget of 2007-08.

However, taking residents pleas in consideration, the corporation is planning to hire a consultant to study the feasibility of the project. "The tender for the consultant will be put out in March or early April. Once the study is complete, we will float tenders for construction," said the official. This time, there will be changes in the design to minimize land acquisition process. "There will tweaks in the original plan. This will increase the costs. The original plan was at the cost of 126 crore," said the official.

The new flyover will start on LB Road and end before Tidel Park. The previous plan envisaged a 600-metre flyover along with a 440-metre subway between Thiruvalluvar Salai and West Avenue Road.

With the number of vehicles on road going up everyday, residents feel that a flyover will ease their problems. "I take 15 minutes to cross the LB Road signal at 8am on my way to work," said Vidya Lakshmi, a resident of Palavakkam.

saurabh85

February 1st, 2012, 05:55 AM

sridhar_n

February 1st, 2012, 07:45 AM

^^Cool Saurabh. Such news are like comets...comes once in few years and then disappear only to come again...we have been hearing abt flyover in LB road for a decade now...we will have few more studies, after this study...

prabhu007

February 5th, 2012, 06:01 AM

Folks, does anybody has any idea about this mysterious Vadapalani flyover???? Any renders/technical details/approach path???

natarajan1986

February 5th, 2012, 11:27 AM

Closed-circuit television (CCTV) cameras at a few high-profile traffic locations in the city, including on the flyover n near the Chennai airport and the Kathipara junction, have not been functioning for several months.
Everyday, police sources said, at least two high-profile personalities come to and from the airport. Besides, there are several unscheduled visits by senior political leaders, including chief ministers and Union ministers to the state.
The Kerala chief minister came here last week en route to Puducherry for the funeral of Kerala governor M O H Farook.
“The cameras were installed to prevent overspeeding and to track down registration numbers of vehicles violating traffic rules. Now, we are monitoring them manually,” said a senior police officer.
Additional police commissioner for traffic Sanjay Arora said: “All existing surveillance devices, including CCTV cameras at over 100 locations, will be merged with the proposed state-of-the-art Integrated Security Management System. The system would be in place once the government order is passed.”
A few months after the flyovers at Kathipara and the airport were opened in October 2008, two CCTV cameras each were installed — on top and beneath the structures — and monitored by a sub-inspector of police through a computer desktop in a room beneath the structures.
Just before the suburban police commissionerate merged with the city police in August 2011, police found the CCTV cameras on the blink. A CCTV camera at the Pazhavanthangal traffic point on GST Road was removed after being hit by a lorry in early 2011. “We have been reminding higher officials about the issue,” said a police officer.
A week after the Kathipara flyover opened in October 2008, a motorist was injured when another motorist tried to overtake him on the flyover. The latter went scot free as there was no surveillance system. That accident prompted the decision to install CCTV cameras at vital locations.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2012/02/05/3/Img/Pc0031900.jpg

GUARD DOWN: Kathipara flyover is one of the crucial entry points that leads to the airport

source (http://epaper.timesofindia.com/)

sethumurugan

February 7th, 2012, 04:42 AM

Folks, does anybody has any idea about this mysterious Vadapalani flyover???? Any renders/technical details/approach path???

Hi,

I daily cross this junction. I think most of the pillar works are completed for the station and double decker flyover. That is the recent development in regarding this.

Do not have photos, but if possible will try to add.

Sethu

Chennaivasi

February 8th, 2012, 07:14 AM

Hi Sethu,

I think only the pillars for the metro are completed. The pillars for flyover are yet to come up in the vadapalani strech.

prabhu007

February 8th, 2012, 07:19 AM

Hi Sethu,

I think only the pillars for the metro are completed. The pillars for flyover are yet to come up in the vadapalani strech.

Right. But CMRL Jan Newsletter says piling for some flyover pillars are done. Let's see....

bonoslack7

February 8th, 2012, 09:34 AM

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/article2870725.ece

Proper paid-parking facilities, government policies that impose punitive taxes on cars, infrastructure that is not disconnected from the streets and life, bicycle tracks, pedestrian safety and a good transit system… the list is endless.

But if there is one thing that is most crucial to urban planning, it is the right use of land because everything else can be rectified later, said American entrepreneur Mark Gorton, on Tuesday.

Based in New York, Mr. Gorton is also an anti-automobile crusader and an advocate for liveable streets and alternative transportation. He was in the city to spread the message of the various problems an automobile-based transport system presents to the world.

He also highlighted how modern technology, including crowd sourcing, GPS tracking and alerts and a variety of open source applications can help citizens participate in urban planning. Flyovers are a terrible idea, he opined, because they would only encourage more people to travel by car. “People of New York have realised their mistake now. Many flyovers are being pulled down because they ruin the planning of a city,” Mr. Gorton said.

Gorton's involvement with urban issues began in 1999, when he founded OpenPlans, a non-profit organisation devoted to the pursuit of smart planning and civic engagement through digital tools. Since then, he has helped launch the New York City Streets Renaissance Campaign, which advocates a dynamic use of public space. Under the programme, the city of New York became open to street closures that had no traffic, with emphasis on promoting cyclists and pedestrian safety. “Space from parking lots was given back to people to reclaim their streets. Generations of Americans have grown up thinking cars are very important. This was just to give them an experience of how life is possible without cars,” Mr. Gorton said.

“But there needs to be civic and political will to make such changes. It is about getting people open to policy change and to think that there can be better ways to do things. It is easier to start organising ourselves from neighbourhoods first,” he said.

Mr.Gorton believes in a government policy which works towards automobile suppression, including punitive taxes on cars. He also added that traffic undermines the liveability of the city. Many countries have realised this, and limit driving by putting in place stringent parking norms, he said. “Copenhagen reduces its parking space by 2 -3 per cent every year, while in Tokyo you first need proof of parking space before you can buy a car,” he added.

Similarly, Singapore has a limited number of slots for automobile licences which are auctioned every year and in Denmark, the sales tax on cars is 270 per cent, he said.

“By adopting the automobile as a transportation model, Chennai is trying to do the physically impossible,” Mr. Gorton said, citing how Asian cities such as Bangkok with just 14 and Beijing with just one car per 1,000 people in 1963 now have over 300 cars. “India has the historical advantage of being able to see the damage that automobiles have done to cities in Europe, America and China. It can decide not to commit the same mistake, and choose a world for people over a world for cars,” he added.

The lecture was organised by Transparent Chennai, an NGO that seeks to empower citizens by mapping civic problems.

Vicvin86

February 8th, 2012, 10:10 AM

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Two sections missing but the part over track is complete and speed restrictions were relaxed.

vijayvmail

February 8th, 2012, 03:56 PM

Hi Sethu,

I think only the pillars for the metro are completed. The pillars for flyover are yet to come up in the vadapalani strech.

The pillars will be the same for both the metro and the flyover. There will be tow different levels resting on the same pillar. The levels need to be built

krishnaswamy

February 8th, 2012, 05:15 PM

is Rengarajapuram flyover which was opened recently reduces traffic in other 2 bridges?

Vicvin86

February 8th, 2012, 05:59 PM

Only one arm is open to traffic. The other will be opened in eight months...

ramvaradan

February 10th, 2012, 03:54 AM

Only one arm is open to traffic. The other will be opened in eight months...

they seem to be firm on 8 months since last 6 months :banana:

sethumurugan

February 10th, 2012, 05:00 AM

The pillars will be the same for both the metro and the flyover. There will be tow different levels resting on the same pillar. The levels need to be built

Yes that is what I had heard about.

prabhu007

February 10th, 2012, 04:18 PM

The pillars will be the same for both the metro and the flyover. There will be tow different levels resting on the same pillar. The levels need to be built

Vijay - I dont think that's the case. Pillars holding 2 sets of viaducts need a different approach. The first level should be constructed and then only the next level could progress. Moreover, with the current pillar width I dont think it is sufficient to hold so much load of IRR traffic plus Metro over the top. I would imagine CCCL would pile flyover pillars in between Metro pillars and I guess that is why they have mentioned in the newsletter

Flyover piles Total: 132 Completed: 43

4 piles per pillar means 132/4=33 pillars. That answers all our questions that there would be 33 separate pillars for the flyover (700m length).

murlee

February 10th, 2012, 04:26 PM

This is from the Jaipur metro thread... 2 tiered.. Top one for the metro and bottom is roadway..

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/245/577i.jpg

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1280/metro113301h.jpg

kannan infratech

February 10th, 2012, 04:33 PM

In Thirunelveli, there is a 3 tier Road bridge near the Bus Stand.

In Rajamundry, Godavari Bridge is 2 tier - Road & Train.

murlee

February 10th, 2012, 04:41 PM

In Thirunelveli, there is a 3 tier Road bridge near the Bus Stand.

.

:eek2:

ANy pic??

prabhu007

February 10th, 2012, 04:49 PM

Yeah I don't deny the possibility of a two-tier flyover. But with the current status of the vadapalani area, it seems the pillars are not going to hold both viaducts. There would be separate ones for the flyover and metro... or may be there would be extra ones for the road flyover to support the load.

kannan infratech

February 10th, 2012, 05:06 PM

:eek2:

ANy pic??

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=83825462&postcount=51

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=83825524&postcount=52

vinodgopal

February 10th, 2012, 10:24 PM

wow! what a bridge. I wonder why Chennai town planners are not coming out with such brilliant ideas...

I would be even curious to know if they can have a mono, metro, BRTS done in the same overbridge with a helipad at various places where choppers come and land from time to time. Would be very futuristic in looks :)

I'd even like it if an action movie is shot in that bridge and have it come down. :lol:

kongutamizhan

February 10th, 2012, 10:46 PM

I would be even curious to know if they can have a mono, metro, BRTS done in the same overbridge with a helipad at various places where choppers come and land from time to time. Would be very futuristic in looks :):

like this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85185528&postcount=36)?

vinodgopal

February 10th, 2012, 11:37 PM

like this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85185528&postcount=36)?

sorry your tender is rejected by me. No helipad space. And where is room for mono?

I will give you one week's time to have it reworked or the tender goes to a Japanese guy who is awaiting in the corridor with a huge briefcase of cash for my approval.

kongutamizhan

February 10th, 2012, 11:56 PM

sorry your tender is rejected by me. No helipad space. And where is room for mono? .

I just wired $1.76 million to your swiss bank account

vinodgopal

February 10th, 2012, 11:59 PM

I just wired $1.76 million to your swiss bank account

wrong account. you should have done it in my newly opened account in planet mars. So issue a stop payment and resend it.

sridhar_n

February 11th, 2012, 04:17 AM

sorry your tender is rejected by me. No helipad space. And where is room for mono?

I will give you one week's time to have it reworked or the tender goes to a Japanese guy who is awaiting in the corridor with a huge briefcase of cash for my approval.

and have sufficient space/provision for hanging cut outs of politicians. And pls be considerate about our tutorial, nattu vaidiyam, sex doctors, shakila rasigars - the pillars are too high and posters cannot be stuck at that height. pls provide elevators.

murlee

February 13th, 2012, 05:12 AM

Experts study flyover plans

In an effort to decongest traffic junctions in the city, the state highways department is all set to appoint consultants to prepare detailed project reports (DPRs) to construct five grade separators.

The proposed grade separators will come up at the intersections of Kaliamman Koil Street and City Bus entrance of CMBT with Jawaharlal Nehru Salai (JNS) at Koyambedu and junction of Southern Sector of JNS with Mount-Medavakkam Road at Madipakkam. A grade separator will replace the busy Medavakkam junction connecting Medavakkam Mambakkam Road and Medavakkam-Sholinganallur Road.

The intersections of Mount Medavakkam and Pallavaram Thuraipakkam Road near Kilkattalai and Mount Poonamallee Avadi Road and Poonamallee Kundrathur Road with Chennai-Chittoor-Bengaluru Road at Poonamallee Kattupakkam will also be replaced with a grade separator.

The highways department has floated tenders to appoint consultants for preparing DPRs for the five grade separators. “It will take at least five months for preparing a DPR after the appointment of consultants. After the scrutinising the DPR, it will be submitted for the government approval,” a senior highways official said.

The works on the grade separators are taken up as per the recommendation of the Comprehensive Traffic and Transportation study. Of all the five intersections, the intersection of Kaliamman Koil Street and City Bus entrance of CMBT with JNS at Koyambedu is the busiest one.

“Traffic jams on Kaliyamman Koil Road are not uncommon since it is the entrance and exit point for both government and private long-route buses to reach the Koyambedu terminus,” the official said.

According to a recent survey conducted by the highways department on the stretch near the CMBT bus stop, an average of 1.20 lakh to 1.30 lakh vehicles use Jawaharlal Nehru High Road every day. “It will take at least a year for the physical work to start,” the official added.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/cities/chennai/experts-study-flyover-plans-610

mr_madras

February 13th, 2012, 06:57 AM

All the 5 intersections badly need grade seperator. they should start the work in early 2013 and finish with in 2 yrs.

mr_madras

February 13th, 2012, 06:58 AM

What is the status of proposed flyover at retteri, velacherry ?

vijayvmail

February 13th, 2012, 03:51 PM

Experts study flyover plans

The proposed grade separators will come up at the intersections of Kaliamman Koil Street and City Bus entrance of CMBT with Jawaharlal Nehru Salai (JNS) at Koyambedu and junction of Southern Sector of JNS with Mount-Medavakkam Road at Madipakkam

Is the intersection (marked in bold) specified above, the one where the MRTS line crosses the Medavakkam main road and enter Adambakkam Lake?

If so, it'll be interesting to see how this'll be handled.

murlee

February 13th, 2012, 10:06 PM

Detailed project report for 3 flyovers ready

The detailed project report for construction of flyovers at Vijay Nagar junction in Velachery, Pallavaram and Kolathur is ready. The consultant has submitted the report to the Highways Department.

Sources in the department said that estimates were being prepared and proposals being analysed. “We would be shortly seeking administrative sanction for the facilities,” a senior official said. The proposals were announced in 2011-12 budget and tenders are expected to be floated in a few months.

At the busy Vijay Nagar junction, two flyovers would be constructed. One of the flyovers would be a one-way facility with traffic from Velachery Bypass Road to Tambaram. The other flyover, a portion of which would pass above the other facility, is to have two-way traffic from Taramani Link Road to Velachery Bypass Road.

“This multi-level design has been chosen to minimise land acquisition. There are drains on all three roads and they would be converted as part of the carriageway,” said a source in the Highways Department.

The height of the second level would be 15 metres, which is equivalent to five floors.

The length would be 1,100 m. Clearance would be 5.5 m, which is enough even for double-decker buses and containers. A foot over bridge would come up at the junction. A skywalk from the Vijay Nagar junction to Velachery MRTS station has also been suggested.

ORDEAL FOR MOTORISTS

With heavy traffic flowing in from all directions and hundreds of buses moving in and out of the bus terminus, rush hour at the Vijay Nagar junction in Velachery is an ordeal for motorists and residents.

V.Mohandas, a resident of Srinivasa Nagar in Madipakkam, said that he travelled to Saidapet on a regular basis and had no other option but to take the junction. “Even on Sundays there is a traffic jam. If you think you have crossed one bottleneck, the next one comes up immediately. Though there is space for widening, the Highways Department has not done it,” he said.

The Traffic and Transportation Forum, a non-governmental organisation, which studied the traffic pattern in Velachery last year, suggested said that vehicles had to wait for at least three signals before they can cross the junction. V.E.Subramanian of the Forum said: “Buses on route number M21 (Tambaram East to Vijay Nagar) stop at the junction and allow passengers to board. Hundreds of buses cross that junction, leading to a considerable slowdown in flow of traffic.”

The flyover at the Kolathur junction would facilitate smooth traffic movement from Red Hills Road and Inner Ring Road at Retteri. No land acquisition would be required as the facility would come up over a 200 feet road.

At Pallavaram, the facility would connect Market Road and Kundrathur Road and be 1,402 m long and have three lanes allowing one-way traffic.

The traffic arrangement would be similar to that on the airport flyover.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2890132.ece

mr_madras

February 14th, 2012, 04:24 AM

flyover season started it seems. yesterday 5 DPR started and today another 3 completed. hope everything materialize.

mr_madras

February 14th, 2012, 04:35 AM

vijayvmail

February 14th, 2012, 05:02 AM

What are the other places badly need flyover?
1) thiruvanmiyur signal(DPR will start soon)
2) OMR
3) Ayanavaram jn
4) teynampet jn(they can try flyover on panagalpark rd to Mt rd)
5) Nandanam signal(again crossing mt rd perpendicularly)
6) Chetpet (connecting harrington-spur tank)
7) Sterling rd Jun (direct connection to valluvar kottam)
8) Mugapair road near Waves Junction & wavin Junction
9) Kellys signal
10) Adyar depot signal
11) greenways rd jn/kamarj salai/RK mutt rd intersection

If we start listing congsted signals as potential places for flyovers, the list will reach hundreds :nuts:

We need much more integrated planning - pedestrian facilities, improved public transport coverage, feeder services from public transport stops, adequate paid parking facilities, ban on roadside haphazard paking on major roads, strict enforcement of road discipline and then of course, more flyover at crucial points :)

sachinsmurali

February 14th, 2012, 05:36 AM

prabhu007

February 14th, 2012, 08:12 AM

Yeah, that's what he grouped together as OMR.

murlee

February 15th, 2012, 12:28 AM

“Expedite works on Villivakkam subway, Mint flyover”

The Chennai Corporation has asked contractors to expedite work on construction of two vehicular facilities in north Chennai. It has stipulated a deadline of March end for completion of the Villivakkam subway and August end for the Mint flyover.

Mayor Saidai S Duraisamy, who inspected the facilities on Tuesday, said that only stormwater drain work was to be completed in case of the Rs.34.16-crore Villivakkam subway. The work order for the vehicular subway was issued in January 2008.

At the Mint flyover, the Mayor directed officials to shift water mains of the Chennai Metrowater within two days and during that time supply drinking water to the affected areas by tankers. He said work should be taken up at night. When officials said that two-way traffic at the intersection was causing hindrance to the works, he directed them to coordinate with the police and introduce one-way traffic till the completion of the work on the flyover.

The project to construct the four-lane flyover at Mint is being implemented at a cost of Rs.23 crore. The facility would connect Old Jail Road and Basin Bridge Road. The government had sanctioned the project in July 2009 and work order issued on June 4, 2010. The flyover would be 508 metres long and 15 metres wide.

A large number of residents of localities around Mint and Basin Bridge Road would benefit from the project, Mr.Duraisamy said. The flyover would also be a crucial link for vehicles from and to Chennai port.

Corporation Commissioner P.W.C. Davidar, Villivakkam MLA J.C.D. Prabhakar, and Superintending Engineer (Bridges) Kumaresan were present during the inspection.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2893870.ece

thillai_selvan

February 15th, 2012, 07:13 AM

greatshankar

February 15th, 2012, 10:37 AM

+ 1 in Taramani

Ashok Pillar

Mukkesh

February 15th, 2012, 04:01 PM

Ashok Pillar

Why Ashok pillar ? The present one way itself is quite ok and all it needs is proper pedestrian FOB and skywalks linking with metro station.

greatshankar

February 15th, 2012, 04:36 PM

^^I think one way can be temporary solution should not go for decades... my personal opinion

natarajan1986

February 15th, 2012, 05:49 PM

in rangarajapuram flyover i saw one mini subway u/c can some one throw light

braveman

February 15th, 2012, 06:31 PM

Urapakkam flyover project is going well. What is the expected date of completion of Urapakkam ROB?

ceeznic pirate

February 15th, 2012, 07:43 PM

^^
infinite. with SR involved..

wlbkng

February 15th, 2012, 08:18 PM

^^
infinite. with SR involved..

:lol:

sethumurugan

February 16th, 2012, 04:13 AM

WinMoon

February 16th, 2012, 11:01 AM

What about Sholinganallur junction..Its is one of the busiest during the peak time??:ohno:
If we are saying OMR it will include the folowing Junctions..
1.Tidel Park
2.SRP Tools
3.Kandanchavadi
4.Thoraipakkam
5.Sholinganallur

All these Junctions definetly need Flyover sooner than later esp Sholling. Any one has any insise news on this stretch. Any DPR work going on here??

WinMoon

February 16th, 2012, 11:26 AM

If we start listing congsted signals as potential places for flyovers, the list will reach hundreds :nuts:

We need much more integrated planning - pedestrian facilities, improved public transport coverage, feeder services from public transport stops, adequate paid parking facilities, ban on roadside haphazard paking on major roads, strict enforcement of road discipline and then of course, more flyover at crucial points :)

Feeder Services - Very vital part of transport for country like us. Since our city/town/locality/area is not that planned with our natural & manmade landscapes, the need of good & cheap feeder service is important.
The role of Auto & Share Auto or Minibus which is yet to come is what am taling about. I feel the Auto & share Auto starndardisation(both in terms of Service & Cost) needs to happen to encourage ppl to use more public transport. Most of our intended place and return will not be in 2 KM radius of public transport. No one can walk 2 Km too.. Hence the role of Auto is vital for ppl to even think abt using public transport. 90% of ppl dont put Meters on their vehicles and willing to get the minimum fare for < 2 KM range.

When it comes to Feeder Service lets not rule out our own vehicle option as well. So what we need, to use this option is, Important places should have Govt Parking facilities atleast for 2 wheelers(Includes Bicylce) and more importantly it should be cheaper. Some Important places can be

South
Shollinganallur, Guindy, Maraimalar Nagar, Tambaram, Medavakkam Jnc, Velachery Jnc,
Pallikaranai(Kamatchi Hospital), Madipakkam-Vel Junc, Adyar Sign Junc,

Central
Teynampet Junc, Saidapet, Ashok Pillar

North
Mint, Perambur bus stand, Moola kadai, Madhavaram, Royapuram, Tolgate,
Tvt

Park & Ride
1)All MTC bus depots to have 2 Wheeler Parking.

2) All the railway station parking should be expanded, improved & Modernised and cost reduced esp MRTS one.

3) Advertise Park & Ride facility well, provide concession to Parking Maintence companies. Put religious efforts to make parking easy for commuters by giving monthly passess/uniform ticket some thing like that.

By this way we are giving plenty of opps for the chennaites to use public transport. And when its convenitent & cheap am sure all the responsible chennaites wil use more public transport than they are now:).

sethumurugan

February 17th, 2012, 05:44 AM

When it comes to Feeder Service lets not rule out our own vehicle option as well. So what we need, to use this option is, Important places should have Govt Parking facilities atleast for 2 wheelers(Includes Bicylce) and more importantly it should be cheaper. Some Important places can be

South
Shollinganallur, Guindy, Maraimalar Nagar, Tambaram, Medavakkam Jnc, Velachery Jnc,
Pallikaranai(Kamatchi Hospital), Madipakkam-Vel Junc, Adyar Sign Junc,

Central
Teynampet Junc, Saidapet, Ashok Pillar

North
Mint, Perambur bus stand, Moola kadai, Madhavaram, Royapuram, Tolgate,
Tvt

Park & Ride
1)All MTC bus depots to have 2 Wheeler Parking.

2) All the railway station parking should be expanded, improved & Modernised and cost reduced esp MRTS one.

3) Advertise Park & Ride facility well, provide concession to Parking Maintence companies. Put religious efforts to make parking easy for commuters by giving monthly passess/uniform ticket some thing like that.

By this way we are giving plenty of opps for the chennaites to use public transport. And when its convenitent & cheap am sure all the responsible chennaites wil use more public transport than they are now:).

10000% true. Even though it is easy for me to travel by train, just becuse of parking [central, kodambakkam.. ] I just skip that option.

But I think the koyambedu parking, especially two wheeler parking is good.

krishnaswamy

February 18th, 2012, 05:58 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424090_2714646900817_1096281990_32873548_170725796_n.jpg

madhan

February 18th, 2012, 06:56 AM

^^ Nice pic..
I still dont understand why the highways dept has not installed overhead sign boards directing the bridge users to the right exits and ramps..

krishnancv

February 18th, 2012, 07:10 AM

Seems like an old pic. The metro construction site and pillars are missing.

krishnaswamy

February 18th, 2012, 08:20 AM

yes.. it is from FB....
"net"-il "sut" tathu..

braveman

February 19th, 2012, 04:43 AM

Urapakkam ROB is in good shape.
Hope it will be completed soon.

Indian Sun

February 19th, 2012, 05:13 PM

Yes that pic is 2 years old.

karkal

February 19th, 2012, 08:37 PM

4 bridges to be remodelled

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2910851.ece

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00929/20THVIRUGAMBAKKAM_929208f.jpg
A low-level bridge across Virugambakkam-Arumbakkam Canal, which is likely to be remodelled. Photo: S.S.Kumar

The Corporation will remodel four low-level bridges to clear bottlenecks in the improvement of macro drainage in Chennai under the JNNURM (Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission).

The initiative has gained momentum after the Water Resources Department in a recent review meeting stressed the need for remodelling bridges to speed up the macro drainage improvement work. The Chinmaya Nagar Bridge and Indira Nagar Bridge will be remodelled by the civic body to suit the increase in width of the Virugambakkam-Arumbakkam drain. Stephenson Bridge and Binny Mill Bridge on the Otteri Nullah are the other two bridges likely to be remodelled on account of the widening of the macro drain.

The dimensions of the Chinmaya Nagar Bridge would increase in proportion to the new width of Virugambakkam-Arumbakkam drain. The drain would become 18-metre wide after the addition of a new box culvert by the civic body. The civic body has also issued notice to a private agency to reconstruct the Binny Mills Bridge as it is on private land.

The civic body is likely to prepare a detailed project report to facilitate reconstruction of the Stephenson Bridge.

The total funds allotted for improvement of macro drainage in the city is Rs.1447.91 crore of which Rs.814.88 crore has been allotted to Chennai Corporation. A total of Rs.633.03 crore has been allotted to the Water Resources Department. The Corporation has planned to take up 1,203 works of which 232 works have been completed at a cost of Rs.62.93 crore. Over 250 works covering 140 km of drains in the city are under way.

robertashok

February 20th, 2012, 12:48 AM

The Pallavaram subway(s) both in Dargah Road, and one other station, is messier now, it is fully stinking with water.

murlee

February 28th, 2012, 06:48 AM

Space below flyover cleared for park

For six years, the space beneath a flyover near the Madras Institute of Technology(MIT)in Chromepet was used as a parking lot for a private hospital and a star hotel and as a den for anti-socials. On Monday, highways department officials removed all encroachments in the space where a park will come up.

The 22 crore flyover was the result of a long struggle by residents of surrounding areas. “The demolition is part of our effort to retrieve government land from encroachments. We had given several reminders to the encroachers,” said a highwaysdepartmentofficial.

Since being opened to the public in 2006, the MIT flyover has been a boon for thousands of residents.Thespacebeneath it, however, gradually began to be ‘occupied.’ While a part of it was used by patients of a nearby privatehospitalto park vehicles, guests of a hotel there also useditfor thesame purpose.

At night, “it became a den for anti-socials. Removal of the encroachments is welcome but continuous monitoring should be done,” said social activist and local resident V Santhanam.

Two years ago, the highways department built a steel fencing and raised a platform at a cost of 2.5 lakh. A few months later, a portion of steel fencing was broken and the raised platform ‘levelled.’ Soon, vehicles began to beparkedthere.Afew petty shops, an autorickshaw stand and a mechanicshed alsocameup.

Now, the highways department decided to set up parks with steel fencing beneath four flyovers between the airport and Tambaram, including at Chromepet, at a cost of 25 lakh.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2012/02/28&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00204&ViewMode=HTML

vijayvmail

February 29th, 2012, 05:03 AM

There is an article about Lattice bridge road flyover proposal in today's TOI. They're planning 2 level flyover.

I'm not able to post it from the e-paper. can someone post the article here?

Arul Murugan

February 29th, 2012, 05:09 AM

^^

one thing that we should appreciate toilet paper is about the rendering of projects they print!!

Two tier flyover at Thiruvanmiyur signal

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2012/02/29/6/Img/Pc0061100.jpg

vijayvmail

February 29th, 2012, 05:11 AM

Highways Department calls for consultants to chalk out a detailed plan for a flyover at the busy junction

The Highways Department is attempting do something that the Chennai Corporation had almost given up on – finding a solution to the traffic chaos at the junction of Lattice Bridge Road and East Coast Road in Thiruvanmiyur. It has called for a consultant to prepare a detailed project report to construct a grade separator on the road.

The civic body had planned to construct a four-lane flyover along Lattice Bridge Road and a four-lane vehicular subway connecting West Avenue and ECR. The Corporation had conceived the plan to aid the free flow of traffic at the junction but had to shelve the proposal due to cost constraints.

“A large area (about 1,20,00 square feet) was required for the project and 3 years ago it was estimated to cost Rs.93 crore. We were hoping that property owners would accept the option of transfer of development rights. But the cost was too much for the civic body,” said a source initially associated with the project. The total cost was estimated to be Rs.150 crore. The crucial junction at Thiruvanmiyur has traffic proceeding from and to the ECR and Rajiv Gandhi Salai.

The State government had accorded administrative sanction for the preparation of the detailed project report for the work in December last year. The work has to be completed in nine months. The consultant would have to do a detailed traffic study in the area and also make provisions for pedestrian facilities. The report would also provide designs for junction improvement, service roads, environmental and social management. The consultant should submit at least four alternatives with merits and demerits of each alternative.

Promising
Sources in the department said that the grade separator would not just deal with a single traffic intersection. It would be a more comprehensive proposal.

A. Krishnaveni, a resident of Thiruvanmiyur, said that a flyover would be a welcome facility at Thiruvanmiyur as pedestrians could then walk freely and safely.

“At present, the Thiruvanmiyur junction is an awful mess. But the Highways Department must ensure that pedestrian space is safeguarded,” she said.

M. Krishnan, a resident of Neelankarai, said that a right turn at the junction would not be a bad idea. “Presently, vehicles cannot take a right to West Avenue Road that leads to Tidel Park Junction. There is a proposal for a flyover at the Tidel junction. This flyover must be integrated with that one,” he said.

Cost-effective?
Former professor of urban engineering, Anna University, K.P. Subramanian said that the good thing about the flyover was that it would not be an isolated facility. “However it would attract more traffic and lead to more congestion. That's what happened in other flyovers. When other countries go for cost-effective solutions, planners can only wonder why Chennai city goes in for flyovers.” The proposal goes against the National Urban Transport Policy, 2006, which says priority has to be given for public transport and non-motorised transport, he added.

Source: The Hindu, Chennai edition, dated 29-Feb-2012 (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2943596.ece)

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^^The news about LB road flyover in The Hindu

This is a bit different from the TOI article. While TOI has already presented a render of a two level flyover, Hindu says that the govt has asked a consultant to prepare a report.

Arul Murugan

February 29th, 2012, 05:12 AM

^^

Tidel traffic jam park is worst than this Thiruvanmiyur signal.. can't the highways department plan to club these two projects as single one??

The ramp on west cott road i.e towards tidel needs to be extended as subway to connect it with Tidel park access road.

The main carriage traffic on OMR from MK to SRP tools can have free flow then.

madhan

February 29th, 2012, 05:34 AM

^^ Arul, I think that would be a challenge as the buckingham canal would cut across. I was thinking they could have a half KM subway along the IT Corridor below the Tidel park and Ascendas junction (in IT corridor). This would have a uninterrupted flow of traffic between MK and SRP tools.

kannan infratech

February 29th, 2012, 10:05 AM

ramvaradan

February 29th, 2012, 10:35 AM

^^

I agree ... we need a swastik shaped multi-lane flyover ... with 1 bend @ TVM bustand and the other @ Tidel, Don't think there is any space for huge clover-leaf bends. the arm into the ECR should go well into it. Piece-meal approaches will not work.

Ramki830

February 29th, 2012, 05:34 PM

Ideally we should have a subway from tidel right to SRP tool stop both ways . Problem is underpass (aka subway) is very costly and whole thing will come to some hundred crores for sure ( we will need TBMs like metro right?) . Politically it may not be worthy investment since impact will be on two MLA seats only.

So for now probably we have to live with just thiruvanmiyur double decker flyover. What our moderator says is even better and closer to solving problem. And SRP junction can get a separate one way flyover (on the right side as we stand south facing) and this solves all problems IMO.

Ramki830

February 29th, 2012, 05:35 PM

Another big traffic hotspot to look at is the MK - IIT Campus-CLRI - Cancer institute zone. This place will get worse in future. The original plan to have flyover from Kotturpuram high road right till IT Highway was shot down since it needed CLRI land and cutting trees. I think , some innovative solution need to be thought for that as well.

sshivakumar

February 29th, 2012, 11:43 PM

IMO, Thiruvanmiyur signal as a stand alone solution may not work.

We have 2 high traffic junctions nearby - one at Tidel Park and one at ECR junction near Thiruvanmiyur bus stand.

If they are okay with 3 levels (Ground + 2 upper levels or one subway, one ground level and one upper level), then they can design an elevated section all along from the ECR Jn to Tidel Park with entry & exit ramps for traffic from / to LB Road (both arms).

The ECR end - elevated portion can as well as turn towards South and go upto Marundheeswarar Koil Jn or RTO Jn. They may need to acquire a small portion of Bus Terminus at the corner.

Similarly due to B Canal, Tidel Park end can only be elevated. Ascendas Jn is also closeby.

The max traffic will be
IT Highway - Both directions. (Till they have a right turn at Madhya Kailash towards Adyar Bus stand on SP Road, TIDEL Jn will be under heavy pressure)

LB Road - Both ways

LB Road to ECR & ECR to LB Road

OMR to Thiruvanmiyur and Thiruvanmiyur to OMR.

Can we discuss the details in SSC ?

I have started believing that flyovers is not a good solution to traffic problems, they are very short sighted solutions especially with the space constraints we have. Thiruvanmiyur junction is no exception, there isn't enough space to build a flyover/grade separator that would really address the problem.

I am not an expert, but others can comment.. I don't remember seeing flyovers is any other crowded cities outside India (Tokyo, Singapore, NYC etc)

There should be a completely out of box solution to this traffic issue, if we engage the right consultants and traffic experts with full freedom, this should be solved in no time.

There are multiple bottlenecks in this stretch resulting in the traffic jams, long signals and right turns are one of the key factors for traffic jams. I hope the appointed consultants will look for an integrated solution to the traffic problem and not just look on how a flyover can be built in the already cramped space.

Also thanks to our impatient and ignorant road users who contribute to the gridlock situations.. :bash:

kannan infratech

March 1st, 2012, 10:43 AM

The biggest mistakes committed by the planners:

The only entrance from the city to ECR is - from Thiruvanmiyur Junction only. So narrow.

The only entrances to OMR from the city is Madhya Kailash & TIDEL Jns.

So all the traffic converge on these junctions.

Now it is too late to avoid flyovers but they have to be well thought out plans and not knee jerk ones (like SP Road Cancer Hospital / IIT or Malar Hospital LB ROad JN or Peters Road roller coaster).

If all the projects in OMR are occupied, MK Jn, Velachery Road, TIDEL Jn will see miles of traffic jam.

GST Road (Ponds) to Thoraipakkam road is still not utilised to its potential since bulk of the traffic is from North, Central & South Chennai and all take Adyar route only.

I suggest that we do a detailed study in SSC of an integrated approach addressing all the issues at

ECR (RTO Jn to Thiruvanmiyur Bus Stand), Thiruvanmiyur Jn, TIDEL Jn, Ascendas Road Jn, SRP Tools Jn

so that a single proposal mitigates all these issues.

anekho

March 1st, 2012, 10:53 AM

^^ Just curious Kannan-ji; if all of us on SSC put our heads together and come up with something good, who do we approach with our proposal/views?

kannan infratech

March 1st, 2012, 11:19 AM

^^ Just curious Kannan-ji; if all of us on SSC put our heads together and come up with something good, who do we approach with our proposal/views?

We have done the same a few times with partial success.

I have contacts within the Govt who will be given all these details.

Some of our ideas may be implemented.

Let's start.

Arul Murugan

March 1st, 2012, 11:30 AM

^^

Instead of building multiple flyover, subways introduce more one way system.

It is working good at Nungambakam, Anna Salai Halda Jn etc.,

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1. Build wide bridges on buckingham canal for free left turns opp to Tidel and at the end of LB road-SRP tools

2. Widen the interior roads of Thiruvanmiyur by Land acquisition

3. Widen the Thiruvanmiyur signal and pull down few buildings for free left

Only big advantage with such oneway system is that, vehicles needs to travel little longer (0.5 to 1KM) distance.

But smooth traffic flow will be ensured for sure!!

http://i44.tinypic.com/33f9vdg.jpg

Murali Bala

March 1st, 2012, 03:15 PM

Arul very nice plan to implement, it will be a great success, may be it will create some heart burn of folks living there. We should bring such plans to the Media so that we a can open the Arivukan (knowledge eye) of traffic police.

sshivakumar

March 1st, 2012, 04:00 PM

^^ Arul, exactly what I had in mind. Good job putting it on a map, implement this and improve/encourage public transportation and this should definitely ease the situation.

This is a good read if you have time,

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/accidents-hazardous-conditions/traffic1.htm

ramvaradan

March 1st, 2012, 04:08 PM

March 1st, 2012, 05:01 PM

seems to be a nice idea but, how do ppl from Tidel park go to ECR and ppl from LB road to OMR towards Madhya Kailash - are you proposing a signal at LB road & OMR intersection?

kannan infratech

March 1st, 2012, 05:27 PM

Arul'

As usual, you rock.

Only ECR to LB Road - local people protested and got it cancelled (the scheme) earlier.

Sankara School & other schools and resi area deeply affected along that stretch.

But it can be implemented as a temporary basis till a solution is found.

kannan infratech

March 1st, 2012, 05:30 PM

SRP Tools need a solution as there will be right turns

Arul Murugan

March 1st, 2012, 05:53 PM

seems to be a nice idea but, how do ppl from Tidel park go to ECR

A small u-turn with signal can be introduced b/w Thiruvanmiyur MRTS station and Indira Nagar MRTS station for the traffic from Tidel park for proceeding to down OMR or ECR.

Also small U-turn with signal can be introduced at existing Tidel signal for MK/SP road traffic to enter Tidel park.

These signals can be clubbed with pedestrian crossing signal.

and ppl from LB road to OMR towards Madhya Kailash - are you proposing a signal at LB road & OMR intersection?

Adyar side LB road traffic to MK have to travel all the way till the south end of LB road via West Avenue road, South avenue road and merge with up coming ECR traffic. 1.5KM extra distance they need to travel.

As Ramvardan and Kannan said, residents in that locality needs to co-operate. But this will surely save crores of man hours, fuel in long run.

vijayvmail

March 2nd, 2012, 06:23 AM

http://epaper.dinamalar.com/PUBLICATIONS/DM/DINAMALAR/2012/03/02/Article//104/02_03_2012_104_029.jpg

Source: Dinamalar, chennai Edition, dated 02-Mar-2012

Translation:

- The delay in construction of Flyover at 100 feet road in thirumangalam is causing hardships to the public.
- The IRR links 4 major highways in Chennai: The GST road, GNT road, Grand Western trunk road (???) and the chennai - Thiruthani - renigunta highway.
- In this IRR, the traffic density is very high at thirumangalam junction. About 11,639 vehicles cross this junction per hour.
- govt planned a flyover at this junction at a cost of Rs 60 crore 23 lakhs. The foundation stone was laid last year.
- The flyover will be 805 metres long with 21 pillars. There will be 7 metre wide service roads at the sides along with 2 metre wide storm water drains and footpaths. The plans also include a pedestrian subway.
- One year on, works are progressing very slowly. Only 12 out of 21 pillars have been built. Even those are not completed fully.
- works on Storm water drains, foot paths, pedestrian subways etc. have not even started.
- Only 30 workers are working anytime.
- The resulting traffic congestion leads to wastage of petrol.

- there are lakhs of people working in the surrounding areas. There are lots of educational institutions also. This leads to heavy traffic snarls.
- when asked about this, the highway officials said that the contractor has already been fined Rs 1.5 lakhs for the delay. Works will be completed soon.

sethumurugan

March 2nd, 2012, 09:07 AM

Source: Dinamalar, chennai Edition, dated 02-Mar-2012

Translation:

- The delay in construction of Flyover at 100 feet road in thirumangalam is causing hardships to the public.
- The IRR links 4 major highways in Chennai: The GST road, GNT road, Grand Western trunk road (???) and the chennai - Thiruthani - renigunta highway.
- In this IRR, the traffic density is very high at thirumangalam junction. About 11,639 vehicles cross this junction per hour.
- govt planned a flyover at this junction at a cost of Rs 60 crore 23 lakhs. The foundation stone was laid last year.
- The flyover will be 805 metres long with 21 pillars. There will be 7 metre wide service roads at the sides along with 2 metre wide storm water drains and footpaths. The plans also include a pedestrian subway.
- One year on, works are progressing very slowly. Only 12 out of 21 pillars have been built. Even those are not completed fully.
- works on Storm water drains, foot paths, pedestrian subways etc. have not even started.
- Only 30 workers are working anytime.
- The resulting traffic congestion leads to wastage of petrol.

- there are lakhs of people working in the surrounding areas. There are lots of educational institutions also. This leads to heavy traffic snarls.
- when asked about this, the highway officials said that the contractor has already been fined Rs 1.5 lakhs for the delay. Works will be completed soon.

IMO, even the diversion planning was not good. Police and higways department know very well that the new route is going to be having heavy traffic and the existing road is not good. In that situation before diverting that route has to be prepared to meet the heavy traffic. But none of the diversion happend till now has not met this process. Why traffic police and highways department takes life of every individual for granted. are we not paying any road taxes? I cross this 18th main road and 13th main road in anna nagar and the road is worst like anything.

March 2nd, 2012, 02:55 PM

@Arul - If there is anyway the ppl from tidel park, elnet and soon to be opened Ramanujan IT city can be diverted backside to Taramani road, they can merge into the traffic and take right turn to ECR.

saurabh85

March 3rd, 2012, 02:20 AM

Ramki830

March 3rd, 2012, 07:13 AM

Ramki830

March 3rd, 2012, 07:15 AM

I am not an expert, but others can comment.. I don't remember seeing flyovers is any other crowded cities outside India (Tokyo, Singapore, NYC etc)

I am afraid you are wrong. Flyovers are called interchanges in US but found in plenty. . Pls search for "Five High interchange" in wiki/google. Amazing structure I say. These are things which are made possible in developed nations, while we still think that kathipara flyover and Mumbai Sea Link are greatest things constructed !!

Having said that, I am also not for flyovers in every corner. But atleast here in TiDEL-Thiruvanmiyur junction, we have no option (unless we expand LB Road, but that is even more costlier). I have traveled extensively in this place and the traffic position is getting worse month after month, year after year. The more we delay flyover, the more is the damage and waste(time,fuel etc)

Ramki830

March 3rd, 2012, 07:19 AM

One more point I feel we ignore -whenever a road with HEAVY TRAFFIC is made Oneway, Let us have some pedestrian flyover or some facility for pedestrians. My experience is that any one way arrangement severely hits pedestrians (who are the most neglected/ignored segments of urban society). Esp think of residents of these places, many of them senior citizens ,some have vision and hearing problems.

kannan infratech

March 3rd, 2012, 10:32 AM

Proposed Traffic Flow at Madhya Kailash Junction

CCTP should allow traffic on the west canal bank road as shown in the picture. This will reduce congestion on the sardar patel road. This arrangement might increase congestion on the gandhi mandapam road but this road has greater capacity than Sardar Patel road. This will also reduce the time required for vehicles to go from Madhya kailash to Gandhi mandapam junction which will in turn reduce congestion in the opposite direction.

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The Kottur Road is so narrow and is already choked even during normal times.

There was a proposal to construct a bridge across Adyar in continuation of the Canal Bank Road (west side of B Canal) and the road will meet Anna Salai near the YMCA at Nanadanam.

This way the major traffic from Anna Salai can take this route and the traffic jam in IIT signal will be less.

The Interchange at Madya Kailash will have 4 arms one in West Canal Bank Road, One in IT Corridor and two sides of SP Road.

Since there is a canal, subway is ruled out. Since there is a MRTS overhead line, the alignment got shifted towards CLRI and CLRI KV School has refused to give space.

They should have made the IIT fly over 2 way and extended the same over the MRTS line.

They should plan the traffic management of all the nodes from IIT to Malar Hospital and Nandanam to SRP Tools.

Ramki830

March 4th, 2012, 03:31 PM

They should have made the IIT fly over 2 way and extended the same over the MRTS line.

Problem is IIT Flyover was planned in 1998-99 while MK-IT Highway came up latter (2003 onwards). I believe that IIT Flyover expansion would run into LA Problems. So alternatives like Highway along adyar river-canal bank road right till MK junction (something like what you said) would be considered but cost may blow up so I don't expect anything in near future.

ChennaiFreak

March 4th, 2012, 05:58 PM

Hi
I want to post to this thread. But I always get an error message
"Post denied. New posts are limited by number of URLs it may contain and checked if it doesn't contain forbidden words."

Please advise me how to resolve this

natarajan1986

March 4th, 2012, 06:32 PM

^^

consult admin thru pm with screenshots

sshivakumar

March 4th, 2012, 10:15 PM

I am afraid you are wrong. Flyovers are called interchanges in US but found in plenty. . Pls search for "Five High interchange" in wiki/google. Amazing structure I say. These are things which are made possible in developed nations, while we still think that kathipara flyover and Mumbai Sea Link are greatest things constructed !!

Having said that, I am also not for flyovers in every corner. But atleast here in TiDEL-Thiruvanmiyur junction, we have no option (unless we expand LB Road, but that is even more costlier). I have traveled extensively in this place and the traffic position is getting worse month after month, year after year. The more we delay flyover, the more is the damage and waste(time,fuel etc)

Ramki - I clearly mentioned in my post that I am referring to crowded cities, the interchanges in US are mostly on highways. The 'High Five interchange' is built at the junction of two major highways. Flyovers inside cities are not true solutions to traffic problems, it might work in few places only if the proper design is chosen. For example, the grade separator at Kathipara is a poor choice of design for that junction, they should have gone for an multilevel interchange instead.

ramvaradan

March 5th, 2012, 03:24 AM

rsrikanth05

March 5th, 2012, 09:48 AM

Hows the Anna Arch coming along?
And what about Moolakadai?

madrasi7777

March 5th, 2012, 01:21 PM

The Anna Anarchy :ohno: I mean arch is pulling on well. The work has started from Nelson Manickam road side and the Arch side. The junctions will be ok in a couple of years time but I can promise you that all these free flowing traffic from this junction will go and get stuck at the Arumbakkam signal, the Choolai signal and then at the Amjikkarai market signal.

kannan infratech

March 5th, 2012, 01:31 PM

Similar to what we discussed, Anna Nagar Jn also needs an integrated solution along with nearby signals.

Coming from Koyambedu Grade Separator, we have

Left Turn to Anna Nagar 10th Main Road (Am I correct?) (2 way ok. But no right turn from Anna Nagar)
Right Turn to MMDA Colony (Arumbakkam) (2 way Must. But right turn to PH road from MMDA colony should be at the Ground Level under the flyover))
Left Turn to Anna Arch to Round Tana (2 way must)
Right Turn to Nelson Manickam Road (2 way must)
Left Turn to Shenoy Nagar / Aminjikarai Park (2 way ok. No right turn to PH Road from Park Road)

The stretch upto Pachiappas College / Kilpauk New Avadi Road Jn should be planned.

Ramki830

March 6th, 2012, 04:17 AM

Ramki - I clearly mentioned in my post that I am referring to crowded cities, the interchanges in US are mostly on highways. The 'High Five interchange' is built at the junction of two major highways. Flyovers inside cities are not true solutions to traffic problems, it might work in few places only if the proper design is chosen. For example, the grade separator at Kathipara is a poor choice of design for that junction, they should have gone for an multilevel interchange instead.

In USA, majority of private vehicle owning population live in what is called as suburbs and exurbs. Inner city areas are places where the less privileged live or in some cases, or in NE US, inner city population is well served by Mass Rapid Transit Systems (what we call as Parakkum Rayil/MRTS/Metro/Mono/Tramways etc etc). These MRT systems were built over decades.

Europe is not as suburbanized as US, but the big cities all have profitable MRT systems build over decades and people use bicycles to suppliment. Big cities in Japan /East Asia all are served by one of the best MRT systems..

This is not the situation in India. We are not as suburbanized as US ; Infact the richest and those who are most likely to own multiple cars live in core city areas (like Boat Club, Chetput, Besant nagar, Neelangarai etc) and 90% of them would never step into a MTC bus . Further, the MRT systems are only now being built and given our unplanned urban structures, we mostly have to go UG for MRT systems, meaning huge cost and ones that are under construction are undergoing cost and time overruns.

Given all this, we cannot avoid flyovers. If you still feel we should have no flyovers, then we should also restrict number of cars/private vehicles in city. How many of the “powerful” elite will agree to such a thing ? We are a pampered lot who complain so much for paying private parking charges in a place like Express Avenue Mall !!

Ramki830

March 6th, 2012, 04:19 AM

very true. cannot imagine seeing one flyover in crowded city limits in US. they manage the traffic mostly by sufficient width, grid based one-way, and most importantly by "stringent" rules against parking, encroaching violators. the space you gain by eliminating these nuisance blocks its just huge, it's amazing what simple back to basics rules can help ... overseen by an upright enforcement and aided by a restraining public. where the highways meet the city roads, its mostly a huge earthen/retaining-wall hump and a few exit/entry ramps.. am not sure if this would qualify for a "full fledged" flyover we see in chennai. certainly not a "technology" that helps .. its just the system and its self-righteous behavior. now, not to mention why it is not suitable in ours !!!

In India, Especially Chennai, we have a unique situation, where two wheeler users are a majority of population. So any traffic discipline/management should target this population. One reality we have to face is, we simply don’t have adequate parking space, so why don’t we mark specific areas in roads for two wheeler parking and price them for usage? And punish those who park elsewhere? We are all going round in circles ,trying metros, flyovers, this that, but all that won’t help as long as some 50 lakh two wheeler users of Chennai are involved (financially too).

Ramki830

March 6th, 2012, 04:20 AM

natarajan1986

March 6th, 2012, 05:02 AM

rsrikanth05

March 6th, 2012, 06:02 AM

One last point on this subject - I am also not a great fan of flyovers. But like painkillers we do need flyovers at times. IMHO, we should not have any flyovers in places that are going to see some form of alternative transport. Good example is previous DMK Govt planning for five flyovers in Mount Road for 500 crores, even as Metro is going to be built. That was a very bad Idea.
Flyovers are needed in some cases.
Agreed, the DMK thing was a bad idea.

In Coimbatore, we have a different solution.
We have a two lane two way flyover for vehicles with 4 or more wheels across the tracks, while we have a subway/underpass for bikes/autos below the tracks.
We have a trumpet this way.

sethumurugan

March 6th, 2012, 06:47 AM

I was thinking about this for long time.

Whereever the railway line is crossing we are having over bridges or subways in most of the places. But unfortunatly, those also full.

So to avoid crowd in such bridges why dont we have a seperate over bridge for two wheelers alone where ever possible. If we are planing a that kind of over bridge we dont even need a long aproach. Even a ramp can be uilt along the road in both sides, one for up and another for down.

If we do this we can eliminate the most of the two wheeler traffic in many over bridges/subways.

arun82

March 6th, 2012, 02:06 PM

instead of building seperate flyover , parking for these menance. why not ban them like fish cart. Raise congestion cess on petrol use the proceeds to build metro, mono . problem solved

Ramki830

March 6th, 2012, 05:48 PM

instead of building seperate flyover , parking for these menance. why not ban them like fish cart. Raise congestion cess on petrol use the proceeds to build metro, mono . problem solved

U mean ban two wheelers? How exactly you can ban a mode of transport which is 1) Cheapest on a per km basis across the city 2) used by majority of population?

Yes, taxing petrol is right but diesel (which is lightly taxed) should also be taxed heavily. And also Auto LPG. Separate Congestion tax is a v.good idea but it should apply to cars and SUVs also. Tax must be proportional to weight/area of the vehicle. In fact tax rates can be linked to how many kilometers a vehicle is driven.

sshivakumar

March 6th, 2012, 07:01 PM

ceeznic pirate

March 6th, 2012, 08:28 PM

Newly opened vandalur ROB

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ceeznic pirate

March 6th, 2012, 08:32 PM

Guduvanchery ROB

No work progressed

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ceeznic pirate

March 6th, 2012, 08:35 PM

Urapakkam ROB - Near the station

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Railways yet to start digging, but 100% completed from SG side even with the lamp posts!!

ceeznic pirate

March 6th, 2012, 08:36 PM

Another ROB between Vandalur and Urapakkam.

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Again railways yet to start

lexraja

March 7th, 2012, 05:52 AM

^^
CP,

Excellent Photos in all the Threads ( ORR,GST, Flyovers) .Keep them coming.

:)

kannan infratech

March 7th, 2012, 09:20 AM

CP !

Oorukku odhukkupuramlam romba povatheenga. Danger....:)

Oore avvalavu valadhuruthu nnu solreengala ?

Othukkarom... Ungal Sevai SSC kku Thevai.

Murali Bala

March 7th, 2012, 02:07 PM

CP Arputhama update photos, Unga SSC Sevaiku oru alavu kolae (scale) illai. How come you travelled from Ramee Mall to ORR. Theiya sevai panniirrukingae.

ceeznic pirate

March 7th, 2012, 02:48 PM

Murali. romba pugalringale.. :) Thanks..

Route Map TBM-ORR-Guduvancherry-Guindy National Park(check cityscapes thread)-Ramee Mall-Little Mount-TBM

krishnaswamy

March 7th, 2012, 11:08 PM

CP.. great going..
appadiye koncham Pallavaram Eswari Nagar ROB enna agiruchunu parunga..
Its going to take 7 years...
Initially Army stalled the projects. Now Railways doing slowly.
now Rengarajapuram ROB is also done. If ESwari Nagar ROB is completed, its almost no LC upto Chrompet.. only Chrompet Radha Nagar LC and meenambakkam army's LC is present..

sethumurugan

March 8th, 2012, 06:54 AM

^^ We can implement all these solutions only after having adequate public transportation/ infrastructure in place. Once we have Metro/Mono and increased bus services, I am all for increasing the parking charges and additional taxes. We cannot do it now as it would only worsen the situation.

Also one has to think on why people prefer two wheeler / private vehicles to eliminate the problem at its root.

On diesel, apart from levying additional taxes - it is heavily subsidised which needs to be gone for private vehicles. Probably India is the only country where diesel is cheaper than petrol.

I may be wrong. But I thought of registering what ever in my mind for some time.

Before that let me tell you how iam using my car and bike. 95% if am going alone inside the city I always take my bike. I use my car mostly when am going with my family. even for the short distance I mostly use my bike. So am not against for any of the suggestions regarding tax, public transport etc made earlier.

But I wanted to say certain things. why not concentrate on the following things before doing anything on banning four wheelers or increasing tax or introducins additional tax.

Remove all encroachments along the road, atleast on main roads.
Remove all transfermorers, telephone junction boxes, EB junction boxes from the road side. Instead of having it on side of the roads. Can it be bulit on a structure which will be above the road like FOB. so that it can be built in govt space instead of beging to private parties as well as it will not block the road.
Remove all plastice garbage boxes and find a solution for it instead of keeping it in the middle of the road. [ Really I do not know what can be done for this ]
Regulate Share autos
Provide seperate stopings for share autos and autos
Educate bus drivers and auto drivers to stop on the provided place in proper manner instead of hapazard parking where ever possible
Educate bus drivers to avoid stoping the bus in after over taking the previously stoped bus in every bus stop
Educate bus drivers to wait for the previous bus to start instead of taking exterem right by blocking the entire traffic while starting from a bus stop
Educate bus drivers to not to jump signals
Educate bus drivers to stop in line before the vehicle before in signal
Provide proper parking places for two wheelers, three wheelers and four wheelers decently

Once we do all the above iam sure we will have enough space for all vehicles in the city. all roads are wide enough to handle the vehicles. due to some issues like most of the roads are not usable.

Once the above is done make sure all Public transports are properly maintained and clean. I think non of the local trains and buses are cleaned not even for once in a month.
Have a fair fare for the public transport. iam paying Rs.11 for just two stops in dulex bus in which there is no difference at all between a dulex bus and ordinary bus.

Then we should have think about banning the other vehicles. Yes for driving those vehicles everybody is paying road taxes, for fuel every body is paying taxes. so why more taxes to be paid by them.

I might be wrong, Might be writing this without knowing some information. just from my experience iam writing this. not to hurt anyone.

sethumurugan

March 8th, 2012, 07:06 AM

CP !

Oorukku odhukkupuramlam romba povatheenga. Danger....:)

Oore avvalavu valadhuruthu nnu solreengala ?

Othukkarom... Ungal Sevai SSC kku Thevai.

நன்பர்களே,

தமிழில் பதிவு செய்வதாக இருந்தால் ஏன் thanglish பயன் படுத்த வேன்டும். http://www.higopi.com/ucedit/Tamil.html உபயோகித்து தமிழிலேயே பதிவு செய்யலாமே.

மற்றவர்களுக்கு எப்படியோ நான் ஒரு முறைக்கு இரு முறை படித்தால்தான் சில சமயங்களில் புரிகிறது.

kannan infratech

March 8th, 2012, 07:49 AM

^^^^

Many forumers who are of Tamizh origin can not read Tamizh font.

But they enjoy comments in Thanglish, which they can read and understand.

natarajan1986

March 8th, 2012, 08:52 AM

^^]
thats true even my browser wont support

arun82

March 8th, 2012, 09:11 AM

I may be wrong. But I thought of registering what ever in my mind for some time.

Before that let me tell you how iam using my car and bike. 95% if am going alone inside the city I always take my bike. I use my car mostly when am going with my family. even for the short distance I mostly use my bike. So am not against for any of the suggestions regarding tax, public transport etc made earlier.

But I wanted to say certain things. why not concentrate on the following things before doing anything on banning four wheelers or increasing tax or introducins additional tax.

Remove all encroachments along the road, atleast on main roads.
Remove all transfermorers, telephone junction boxes, EB junction boxes from the road side. Instead of having it on side of the roads. Can it be bulit on a structure which will be above the road like FOB. so that it can be built in govt space instead of beging to private parties as well as it will not block the road.
Remove all plastice garbage boxes and find a solution for it instead of keeping it in the middle of the road. [ Really I do not know what can be done for this ]
Regulate Share autos
Provide seperate stopings for share autos and autos
Educate bus drivers and auto drivers to stop on the provided place in proper manner instead of hapazard parking where ever possible
Educate bus drivers to avoid stoping the bus in after over taking the previously stoped bus in every bus stop
Educate bus drivers to wait for the previous bus to start instead of taking exterem right by blocking the entire traffic while starting from a bus stop
Educate bus drivers to not to jump signals
Educate bus drivers to stop in line before the vehicle before in signal
Provide proper parking places for two wheelers, three wheelers and four wheelers decently

Once we do all the above iam sure we will have enough space for all vehicles in the city. all roads are wide enough to handle the vehicles. due to some issues like most of the roads are not usable.

Once the above is done make sure all Public transports are properly maintained and clean. I think non of the local trains and buses are cleaned not even for once in a month.
Have a fair fare for the public transport. iam paying Rs.11 for just two stops in dulex bus in which there is no difference at all between a dulex bus and ordinary bus.

Then we should have think about banning the other vehicles. Yes for driving those vehicles everybody is paying road taxes, for fuel every body is paying taxes. so why more taxes to be paid by them.

I might be wrong, Might be writing this without knowing some information. just from my experience iam writing this. not to hurt anyone.

Sethu sir,

Just becos people pay tax it doesn't give them the right to block the road. How many car are plying in the road with just one person inside. Especially the premium cars occupy hell a lot of space. Even Ambulance cannot reach hospital in time.

If they want to travel alone at the comfort of ac in the middle of the road. What is wrong in paying more. EA parking 150 per hour pay panum bodu why not extra tax for using the road.

It seems you don't use public transport . The buses these are clean nowadays. You can't expect cleanliness like your house as 50 lakh people use it daily.

What is fair fare. TN has the lowest bus fare. Even share auto packing in people like fish are charging Rs 10 as minimum . Autos charge rs 30 as minimum fare.

id_866

March 8th, 2012, 12:27 PM

I am new to this forum.i agree that people all using cars for luxury even public transport is frequently available everywhere in chennai.They can use bike instead of car atleast that will definitely reduce traffic in chennai

pdykid

March 8th, 2012, 12:47 PM

நன்பர்களே,
மற்றவர்களுக்கு எப்படியோ நான் ஒரு முறைக்கு இரு முறை படித்தால்தான் சில சமயங்களில் புரிகிறது.

சம் டைம்ஸ் ஐ டோன்ட் அன்டர்சாண்டு ஐதர்
பிவ் வோர்ட்ஸ் ஆர் பைன், பிவ் லைன்ஸ் இன் தங்க்லீஷ் டூ டைம் கோன்சுமிங் டு ரீட் அண்ட் அன்டர்சாண்டு

:lol:

http://www.google.com/transliterate/Tamil

Arul Murugan

March 8th, 2012, 04:55 PM

Kannan sir,

Anyway this idea can be conveyed to traffic cops??

I had this idea long back and tried to mail or send this suggestion to media. But I find sending via email is useless!

^^

Instead of building multiple flyover, subways introduce more one way system.

It is working good at Nungambakam, Anna Salai Halda Jn etc.,

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1. Build wide bridges on buckingham canal for free left turns opp to Tidel and at the end of LB road-SRP tools

2. Widen the interior roads of Thiruvanmiyur by Land acquisition

3. Widen the Thiruvanmiyur signal and pull down few buildings for free left

Only big advantage with such oneway system is that, vehicles needs to travel little longer (0.5 to 1KM) distance.

But smooth traffic flow will be ensured for sure!!

http://i44.tinypic.com/33f9vdg.jpg

Arul'

As usual, you rock.

Only ECR to LB Road - local people protested and got it cancelled (the scheme) earlier.

Sankara School & other schools and resi area deeply affected along that stretch.

But it can be implemented as a temporary basis till a solution is found.

Arul Murugan

March 8th, 2012, 05:15 PM

Arul, good effort . But I am afraid there are some drawbacks in this proposal.
The main thing is, IT Highway and LB Road are not comparable. One is much wider and LBR esp the last leg (after Jayanthi junction to SRP) is very narrow. So making both one way means a broad 6 lane road is underused while LBRoad stretch gets heavily overloaded. This will fail.

OMR main carriage way width is 70 feet - 8 feet wide media = 62 feet available for main carriage way traffic.

LB road width varies from 70 feet to 40 feet right from Thiruvanmiyur signal to OMR Jn.

In my post I clearly mentioned, LB road needs to be widened... If encroachment is cleared and road is equally widened to 70 feet with smooth right and left free turns with parking ban, "narrow, fail" words will not araise.

FYKI Anna Salai width from Halda Jn to Little mount is just 60 feet and it is working absolutely fine for such huge flow of traffic on the city's arterial road. The present congestion is due to metro construction.

Another problem is U Turns. It will work only for 2wheelers and cars. Consider Buses, big ones. Bus traffic is v.heavy at peak hours. If we have 2 U turns it will take hell lot of time for buses to make turn and lot of road space will get wasted.

U turns are only for cars/two wheelers from Tidel park and future ramanujan IT city. There is no MTC or any other stage/contract carriages enter/exist Tidel park. So again this point does not araise. :)

Another parallel example from arterial Anna Salai.. ;) All MTC buses orginating from Saidapet bound for south makes U-turn on Anna Salai at Saidapet bus stand signal.

Maybe we need to modify this proposal. One idea is - Let IT highway continue to be bidirectional always. LB Road from Jayanthi Signal till where it joins ITHighway can be 1 way. Traffic from ECR gets routed through what you said to SRP Junction. Here let us have a signal that allows this traffic to turn U right into the left lane of IT Highway (i mean the TIDEL park Lane).

Another idea - generic one is - control all bus traffic that originates from MK/Adyar towards Mayajaal and beyond , dont allow them through MK-ITH or ADY-LBR , instead route them througy VLCY and then Pallikaranai, 200 ft road, ITHighway, KK road and finally ECR.

All said, I think we have to somehow have a flyover. One ways wont work beyond a point in this place.

Any solution is welcomable. But I don't agree with your idea on routing buses via Velacherry.. that will severly affect the existing commuters and further traffic at Vijayanagar Jn is another night mare.

kannan infratech

March 8th, 2012, 05:16 PM

Arul,

Can you send me an email with this as an attachment ?

I will try to pass on to the concerned authorities.

krishnaswamy

March 8th, 2012, 06:55 PM

@Arul:
All the best for your suggestion.. keep going..

Ramki830

March 9th, 2012, 05:10 PM

Ramki830

March 9th, 2012, 05:15 PM

Also one has to think on why people prefer two wheeler / private vehicles to eliminate the problem at its root.

Very Simple - Two Wheeler in Chennai is the Cheapest way to travel in shortest time between any point A to point B in Chennai.
Let us say you are on Monday Morning 9AM. You want to drive from Velachery AGS colony 1st Main Road to Durga Nagar 1st Main Road, Chrompet (just for example). See Google Map and think of all travel options. Two wheeler will end up to be the quickest, cheapest and easiest way.Last 20 years cost of owning two wheeler has gone down relatively. It used to cost 40K to buy a new bike in mid 1990s, that is when entry level jobs paid Rs 2K pm. Today a entry level Bike is 60K and entry level job pays 10K pm. And so many financing schemes and all, cost of buying two wheeler is so less. And even low income folks can buy used 2 wheelers which cost in 4 digit price…

And before concluding let me say, I am a long time two wheeler driver myself and I feel that parking fees on two wheelers, greater registration /lifetime tax etc are essential steps to move people from two wheeler to mono/metro infact these revenues can be used to fund next phase of mono/metro. (Phase one is funded by Japan, and we cant expect foreigners to fund us everytime).

sshivakumar

March 9th, 2012, 08:56 PM

Ramki - I am replying to post on the Traffic Management thread - lets continue there.

sethumurugan

March 10th, 2012, 04:05 AM

Parking of two and 4 wheelers on public roads should be charged and this should be done immediately , ASAP. As far as tax, every vehicle creates wear and tear on roads in proportion to its weight so if we want roads to be maintained well, we should pay (in proportion to how much we stress those roads). It is unfair to expect the general public and pedestrians to suffer due to private vehicle users.

Precisely that is what iam saying. I have a car. But I drive hardly 20 or 25 Kms a week depending upon my need and comfort. for that should I have to pay more tax than the tax which iam paying already.

Ramki830

March 11th, 2012, 10:19 AM

OMR main carriage way width is 70 feet - 8 feet wide media = 62 feet available for main carriage way traffic.

LB road width varies from 70 feet to 40 feet right from Thiruvanmiyur signal to OMR Jn.

In my post I clearly mentioned, LB road needs to be widened... If encroachment is cleared and road is equally widened to 70 feet with smooth right and left free turns with parking ban, "narrow, fail" words will not araise.

I went through the entire place yday. If we take LB Road stretch from Jayanthi Theater Signal right till we join IT Highway, widening should not be hard - a lot of empty open space is seen in front of apartment complexes such as Trafalgar and KGYes and even some land inside apartment complex can be acquired without disturbing anyone IMHO. And for encroachment I think only big encroachment is the building having Tamizhini Inippagam and a couple of houses on either side of the bridge part of LB Road (just b4 joining IT Highway). I think removing them shouldn't be too difficult.

Overall Thumbs up to Arul Murugan's Idea. But one question to arul (and others) - do you think with this idea we can completely manage without building any flyover at all ? Why i am asking is - if we have this solution implemented, we can spend instead on flyover @ Shozhinganallur (more priority )

Mukkesh

March 11th, 2012, 02:47 PM

[QUOTE=Ramki830;89295253]Two wheeler will end up to be the quickest, cheapest and easiest way.

You ve to calculate the damage to your spine and the discs because of extensive two wheeler travel.

In India today the commonest cause of back pain is over weight and two wheeler travel.

Hospitals make a lot of money due to one condition called back pain.

dr_thapalathy

March 11th, 2012, 05:52 PM

Can someone post the alignment of the flyovers that are being constructed near Vallalar Nagar Bus stand and one more in Broadway - Thiruvottyur route???

vijayvmail

March 12th, 2012, 07:01 AM

CHENNAI: Corporation of Chennai appears to be on track to meeting its commitment to complete the Rangarajapuram flyover and a pedestrian subway below the elevated stretch by the end of May.

Corporation officials said Southern Railway had only two weeks ago completed work on a key section of the flyover that it was responsible for. "The stretch of the flyover over the railway track had to be constructed by the railways," a senior corporation engineer said. "Now our side of the completion will be fast-tracked and will be completed in about three months."

Plan for the 962-metre-long, Y-shaped flyover was first unveiled in 2008 after many requests to the civic body by residents who had reached the end of their tether over road congestion and constant traffic jams at a level crossing in the area. Work on the flyover began in 2009 and it was supposed to be completed in August 2011, but the deadline had to be extended thrice due to various delays. In September, a month after the first deadline, one part of the flyover was opened for one-way traffic from T Nagar to Rangarajapuram. Residents of Kodambakkam, especially from Station Border Road and surrounding areas such as Azeez Nagar, say they are looking forward to the completion of the flyover. "It will streamline traffic and reduce congestion. But the corporation should make sure that it clears debris from the site, because it narrows the width of the road by half and makes it close to unusable when it rains," said T Pandian, who lives on Station Border Road.

Motorists with four-wheelers have not been able to use a long stretch of Station Border Road for the past six months. Debris, mud and potholes have made driving and walking on these roads extremely dangerous. "Officials say that the road relaying work will begin only after the flyover is complete. That is another reason we hope that the corporation completes the work as soon as possible," said D Govind, a social worker from Kodambakkam.

Residents hope the pedestrian subway being built beneath the railway track is also completed by the time the flyover is ready. With the subway, pedestrians will take only a few minutes to get from West Mambalam to Kodambakkam. "The subway is supposed to replace a railway crossing that was blocked for the flyover construction. Now with neither available, we have to take a long route to get to West Mambalam or T Nagar," said Brinda Ganesan, a resident of Azeez Nagar.

Source: TOI, chennai edition, dated 12-Mar-2012 (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Rangarajapuram-flyover-to-be-up-and-buzzing-by-May-end/articleshow/12227722.cms)

murlee

March 13th, 2012, 04:30 AM

Two Usman Road flyovers may be joined

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In an effort to make the two flyovers on Usman Road in T. Nagar more viable, the Corporation is considering connecting them and extending the combined entity right up to Anna Salai. The civic body would remove their entry and exit ramps while retaining their central portions to connect them and form one single flyover.

If connecting the two flyovers is found to be not feasible, the civic body would consider extending the South Usman Road flyover alone up to Anna Salai, Mayor Saidai S Duraisamy announced at the budget meeting of the Chennai Corporation on Monday. The feasibility study, he said, would be conducted by consultants.

The proposal is part of a larger traffic management system being mooted by the civic body. Mr. Duraisamy said the Corporation would increase coordination of all departments with the traffic police. The flyover at the junction of North Usman Road-Kodambakkam High Road was constructed at a cost of Rs. 9.72 crore and the one at Usman Road-Duraisamy Road junction at a cost of Rs. 19.8 crore during the DMK regime to help reduce traffic congestion. However, the two flyovers only added to the woes of residents and shoppers. The one at the Usman Road-Duraisamy Road junction does not permit free movement of vehicles on service lanes. The Fire and Rescue Services Department too had complained that fire tenders could not gain access to Ranganathan Street, Natesan Street and Ramasamy Street. A few months ago, members of T. Nagar Welfare Associations had called for demolition of the Usman Road-Duraisamy Road flyover.

Several experts said that if the Corporation was planning to use prefabricated segments, extreme care must be taken during transportation and placement. “It has been possible in the Metro Rail project as the contractors have the expertise. If the Corporation is considering a similar option, it should make the clauses in the contract very tight,” said an urban planner.

The Mayor proposed to conduct feasibility studies for construction of grade separators at Adhithanar Salai, Pantheon Road and Dr. Rukmani Lakshmipathy Road junction; College Road, Sterling Road and Valluvar Kottam High Road Junction; Arcot Salai, Saligramam and K.K.Nagar 80 feet Road Junction; Mandaiveli Junction near Mandaiveli Bus Stand Junction; Bharathi Salai and Royapettah Clock Tower Junction; Gandhi Mandapam Salai and Ponniamman Koil Salai Junction at Kotturpuram.

For the year 2012-13, the Corporation has planned to construct a bridge across Otteri Nullah on Stephenson Road, a rail overbridge replacing a level crossing in Villivakkam, a pedestrian subway replacing a level crossing near Alandur AJS Nidhi School under deposit scheme by Southern Railway, and a vehicular bridge in place of an existing foot overbridge across Captain Cotton Canal on Ambedkar Road, Suzhpunalkarai. A total of Rs. 42.76 crore has been allocated for these works.

It has also revived the proposal for a road connecting Greenways Road with the northern end of Thiru Vi Ka Bridge at Durgabai Deshmukh Road via Music College along the Adyar river.

The civic body has allocated Rs.103.85 crore for restoration and maintenance of 324.42 km length of roads in the city and converting 56.94 km of interior roads into cement concrete stretches.

A total of Rs.404.53 crore would be spent on construction of stormwater drains and specially-designed drain inlets. Efforts would also be taken to install rainwater harvesting structures at the inlets, the Mayor said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2988802.ece

murlee

March 13th, 2012, 04:33 AM

Road overbridge project awaits NOC

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SNAIL’S PACE: A view of the road over bridge that is under construction at Singaperumal Koil

Each time the level crossing gate next to the Perungalathur railway station closes, the vehicle pile-up on the Grand Southern Trunk Road to Tiruchi only grows. “It takes us up to an hour-and-a-half to get to the other side. The gate opens at least twice during that time. The only solution to this is a flyover or subway at the point,” said former Perungalathur councillor D. Jebadurai.

Plans to construct a road overbridge with a rotary on the top and an arm descending into the Eastern bypass replacing level crossing 32 and a pedestrian subway at the adjacent level crossing 33 at a total cost of Rs.76 crore are pending.

The State Highways Department had drawn up the proposals as early as 2009 and had written to the National Highways Authority of India seeking their No Objection Certificate. “We wrote to them again in January this year, but we are still to hear from them. The State government had cleared the projects,” said an official of the Highways Department.

“Residents of two town panchayats -- Perungalathur and Peerkankaranai – use the level crossings and in the last 15 years, the areas have witnessed enormous development. It's a daily struggle for school children and those proceeding to office. The NHAI proposal to make the road into an 8-lane facility seems to be too ambitious. They would have to remove a railway track for this,” said S.Krishnan, a resident of RMK Nagar in Perungalathur. Sources in the Highways Department said their drawings had been made keeping in mind the widening of the GST. Land acquisition is being done accordingly, the official said.

Two other projects replacing level crossings along the GST Road that are in various stages of construction are also awaiting NOC from the NHAI. At least 30 per cent of work has been completed at LC 47 at Singaperumal Koil. It would be a road over bridge with a rotary on top.

The Rs. 52 crore project commenced a year ago and is expected to be completed in September 2013. However, sources said that the NHAI has asked for change of design as in future, the GST Road is expected to be widened into an 8-lane facility. Presently, the NHAI is the process of finalising the detailed project report for 6-laning it.

Another project to construct a road overbridge at a cost of Rs.34 crore at Urapakkam/Kilambakkam is 90 per cent complete and work is underway only in the railway portion. There are eight tamarind trees that need to be removed for the bridge to be connected to the GST Road.

P.Selvaraj, a resident of Urapakkam recalled how 10 years back, there was an incident of a person with chest pain dying while waiting for the gate to be opened. On the proposal to widen the GST Road, he said it was a welcome move, but care must be taken to not disturb the residential areas during land acquisition.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2988780.ece

thillai_selvan

March 13th, 2012, 05:19 AM

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thillai_selvan

March 13th, 2012, 05:26 AM

^^ Translation...

In the following places the new flyovers will be constructed in Chennai.

1) Mahalingapuram - North Usman Road , South Usman Road with Joining Anna salai or Joining South Usman Road with Anna salai

2) Athithanar salai - Pantheon Road - Rukmani Lakshmipathy road Junction ( Egmore )

3) College road - Sterling road Valluvar kottam junction

4) Saligramam - Arcot road - K.K Nagar 80ft road junctions

5) Manthaiveli Bus terminus Junction

6) Bharathi Salai & Royapetta - Clock tower junction

7) Kotturpuram Ganthi Mandapam - Ponniamman Koil Junction

Widening of flyovers works will be carried out in the following places

1) Otteri Stephen road bridge

2) Villivakkam Railway junction bridge

3) Rly sub way near A.G.S Nithi hr.sec.school

4) Chinmaya nagar near virugambakkam

5) Kodungaiyur

6) Jawahar nagar

saurabh85

March 13th, 2012, 05:49 AM

vijayvmail

March 13th, 2012, 06:22 AM

Two Usman Road flyovers may be joined

http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/00949/13THFLYOVER_949902f.jpg

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2988802.ece

Connecting the flyover and extending till mount road is a great idea.

But right now, the first flyover starts from the Mahalingapuram side. It'll be better if there are a couple of ramps in between providing access for

-traffic from Arcot road (probably even by letting them go into one of the side roads instead of new ramps)
- traffic from Panagal park / Pondy Bazaar area

Also, the T.Nagar bus terminus should be integrated with this elevated road giving buses to directly enter and exit from the flyover. Now, tons of buses use the area and it'll become a nightmare if they all have to use the road below. The MTC terminus should become multi-level with 2/4 wheeler parking in the basement levels and ground floor, with the bus terminus in the next 2 floors (arrival - one floor and departure one floor). Ramps should be directly connected to the proposed flyover, for the buses alone.

The road below should only be for those using the establishments on that road. Even there, the stretch between Pothys and Bus terminus should be a complete pedestrian zone.

Now, i'm dreaming too much :nuts: such a comprehensive plan needs at least some amount of land acquisition near panagal park and T.Nagar terminus. This is next to impossible. Also, this needs far-sightedness and excellent co-ordination with MTC - Which is beyond impossible.

Murali Bala

March 13th, 2012, 07:35 AM

Now the next 4 years will go only on preparing Detailed Project reports for these Projects . I wish Saidai Duraiswamy who has instrumental in giving so many IAS Officers to the country should talk/plead/ if possible fall at feet to Amma/Aaatha/Thaai who runs all departments by IAS officers (All ministers are in sankaran koil) and get this projects moving. People will have to see some visible difference not see DPR reports.

saurabh85

March 13th, 2012, 08:59 AM

prabhu007

March 13th, 2012, 07:06 PM

^^ well said

Ramki830

March 14th, 2012, 06:07 AM

^^ wish they could widen the IIT flyover. Can't believe they built just a 2 lane flyover that too on Sardar Patel Road. The worst part is that it is meant only for 1 way traffic.:bash: Damn consultants get paid for this shit!!

I think this is not possible, because the landing point of this flyover (in CLRI Side) is such that you cant expand further without acquiring land from CLRI or IIT Folks.

Yes, this flyover is one among some flyovers done in 1998-2001 period and most of them are poorly designed. There was a joke that these flyovers were selected just to fall along the routes that MK (CM btw 1996-01) traveled daily (from home to Secretriat, from secretriat to CIT Colony, then to Raj Bhavan and Back). I don't know how true it is.

Ramki830

March 14th, 2012, 06:08 AM

Reg the flyover announcements, good to hear about a flyover @ Mandaveli Junction. Infact Mandaveli/Mylapore/Luz junction has been long neglected and some kind of flyover/road widening is long over due.

Ramki830

March 14th, 2012, 06:10 AM

Connecting the flyover and extending till mount road is a great idea.

But right now, the first flyover starts from the Mahalingapuram side. It'll be better if there are a couple of ramps in between providing access for

-

Ideally speaking, TNagar does not need anymore flyover. We need a comprehensive parking facility somewhere in TNagar to park a few thousand vehicles and entire Panagal Park zone should be made pedestrian only. But I know this is expecting too much . Not against the connection idea but why was it not thought of earlier?

kannan infratech

March 14th, 2012, 10:24 AM

South Usman Road should be made vehicle free and for only pedestrians.

MLP has to be provided so that people can park there and walk to shop.

vijayvmail

March 14th, 2012, 05:06 PM

Ideally speaking, TNagar does not need anymore flyover. We need a comprehensive parking facility somewhere in TNagar to park a few thousand vehicles and entire Panagal Park zone should be made pedestrian only. But I know this is expecting too much . Not against the connection idea but why was it not thought of earlier?

South Usman Road should be made vehicle free and for only pedestrians.

MLP has to be provided so that people can park there and walk to shop.

Unfortunately, T.Nagar, especially the area around Panagal Park and Pondy Bazaar, is a crucial corridor for people moving from one part of the city to other - especially to Ashok Nagar / K.K. Nagar areas from Anna Salai side. Any other route will be too long.

In fact, t.Nagar has grown to be such a commercial place mainly because of the huge transit population that passes through this area.

Now, I agree that T.nagar area should be completely pedestrianized and made into a specialized Shopping district. This district will need huge parking spaces, excellent public transport upto its 'borders' and free walking areas inside its zone.

But we need elevated hurdle free corridors for the through traffic to just cross this area and access other parts of the city.

Personally, I don't think any plan that tries to sneak in a couple of flyovers, a one way here, a walkway there etc. will not work. We need comprehensive re-design of the entire place with bold land acquisitions, demolitions of unlawful constructions and active re-zoning of the area.

vinodgopal

March 14th, 2012, 05:53 PM

^^ wish they could widen the IIT flyover. Can't believe they built just a 2 lane flyover that too on Sardar Patel Road. The worst part is that it is meant only for 1 way traffic.:bash: Damn consultants get paid for this shit!!

do you think it could have been built wider? so many business activities were connected from the other side of the city(like OMR, Adyar, Tiruvamyur and ECR belt) to this side nungambakkam, kodambakkam guindy etc.. and a really wide flyover might have put traffic into a standstill like how in Tiruvilayadal thalaivar Sivaji sir says "naan asaindhal asaiyum agilam ellamey"

vinodgopal

March 14th, 2012, 06:03 PM

Unfortunately, T.Nagar, especially the area around Panagal Park and Pondy Bazaar, is a crucial corridor for people moving from one part of the city to other - especially to Ashok Nagar / K.K. Nagar areas from Anna Salai side. Any other route will be too long.

In fact, t.Nagar has grown to be such a commercial place mainly because of the huge transit population that passes through this area.

Now, I agree that T.nagar area should be completely pedestrianized and made into a specialized Shopping district. This district will need huge parking spaces, excellent public transport upto its 'borders' and free walking areas inside its zone.

But we need elevated hurdle free corridors for the through traffic to just cross this area and access other parts of the city.

Personally, I don't think any plan that tries to sneak in a couple of flyovers, a one way here, a walkway there etc. will not work. We need comprehensive re-design of the entire place with bold land acquisitions, demolitions of unlawful constructions and active re-zoning of the area.

The problem happened when the city was planned in the earlier DMK times after the Brits had kept in mind a smaller population. The then CM Anna Durai was asked how to plan the city, he said to plan it like Madurai Kamatchiamman temple roads instead of the high technology states like USA and Europe. That thing has kept us in stone age even today.

kannan infratech

March 14th, 2012, 06:15 PM

CM Sir,

Madurai Meenakshi Amman Sir. Not Kamakshi amman. That is Kanchi. Sami kannai kuthidum. :)

IIT Flyover was planned without considering the traffic from the city to IT Corridor. Similarly MK Junction too. (Designed on 1980 data)

They could have easily had a 4 lane fly over since both sides are mainly Govt / institution buildings.

They should have addressed the problem in one package from Adyar Bridge (Malar Hospital) upto Anna University with important Jns near IIT/ Cancer Hospital, Madya Kailash, Ambika Appalam Depot, LB Road / Aavin.

MRTS plan pannumbodhe, Flyovers plan panni irukkanum.

darkprinz

March 14th, 2012, 07:16 PM

Unfortunately, T.Nagar, especially the area around Panagal Park and Pondy Bazaar, is a crucial corridor for people moving from one part of the city to other - especially to Ashok Nagar / K.K. Nagar areas from Anna Salai side. Any other route will be too long.

In fact, t.Nagar has grown to be such a commercial place mainly because of the huge transit population that passes through this area.

Now, I agree that T.nagar area should be completely pedestrianized and made into a specialized Shopping district. This district will need huge parking spaces, excellent public transport upto its 'borders' and free walking areas inside its zone.

But we need elevated hurdle free corridors for the through traffic to just cross this area and access other parts of the city.

Personally, I don't think any plan that tries to sneak in a couple of flyovers, a one way here, a walkway there etc. will not work. We need comprehensive re-design of the entire place with bold land acquisitions, demolitions of unlawful constructions and active re-zoning of the area.

Exactly ... This Brindavan street - Doraiswamy road is Vital link between Ashok pillar .. KK nagar .. Vadapalani and other western areas to Central district... The small road gets strangled due to traffic at peak hours ...
Would love to see the Usman road and T.Nagar as pedestrian only zone.. provided a connection is designed someway between west mambalam and pondy bazaar for the transit people ...

Ramki830

March 18th, 2012, 02:12 PM

One thing is sure to happen - If no solution in terms of proper multilevel parking space is planned for TNagar in next 10 years, TNagar as a business district will meet same fate as Broadway/parrys used to be. Afterall , before 1980s Tnagar was just another quiet residential area ..

TNagar's leading brand names(Saravanas, Pothys, etc etc) all are rich in cash and all have/will invest in Real Estate in other parts of city and only matter of time before some other place takes the crown from TNagar.

Velachery (among others) is a good candidate, given its proximity to all forms of transport ...

kannan infratech

March 18th, 2012, 07:29 PM

id_866

March 19th, 2012, 06:24 AM

hi.anybody knows the status of mint and vyasarpadi flyover?how the project design?

vijayvmail

March 19th, 2012, 07:26 AM

There were proposals earlier to make the Doraisamy subway road one way from West Mambalam side to T Nagar and make either Madley Road or CIT Nagar - Aranganathan Subway as reverse one way from T Nagar to West Mambalam.

The diastance between the subways, especially the Duraiswamy and Aranganathan subway is pretty high. Lot of deviations would be needed for traffic.

Plus, the approach roads to the subways are pathetic, especially Madley road. It is barely a small lane, on the West mambalam side. And it just winds through dense localities. The next broad road is almost 2 km away from madley subway. Even with the current arrrangement, that place is a mess. Even to have a road as wide as Duraiswamy road, a lot of land acquisition is needed. It cannot handle the increased loads.

Instead, the entrie road network around Panagal park can be made elevated for the through traffic. Ramps should be provided at the main roads like pondy bazaar, g.N. Chetty Road, Venkatanarayana road and duraiswamy road. The ground portion should lead to parking areas for shopping and pedestrian only. Separate parking lots / terminus for autos should be created at entry points to shopping zone.

The duraiswamy road ramp should be extended all the way to west mambalam side, going over the tracks. If not technically possible, then subway can be closed. Else, subway should be just for local traffic - two wheelers and cars alone.

arun82

March 19th, 2012, 10:05 AM

hi.anybody knows the status of mint and vyasarpadi flyover?how the project design?

Mint - One side of the flyover towards basin bridge completed. Towards Beach work yet to start. Some demolishing work is progress

Vysarpadi - Piling in progress. One pillar completed

kannan infratech

March 19th, 2012, 01:38 PM

vijayvmail

March 19th, 2012, 05:07 PM

@ vijaymail:

To manage the traffic temporarily till a permanent solution is found:

Actually the connection between the eastern part of the Railway Track & western part of railway track are available at (for T Nagar / Nungambakkam to Kodambakkam / West Mambalam / Weat Saidapet / Ashok Nagar / KK Nagar.)

Kodambakkam High Road Flyover - 2 way
Rangarajapuram Flyover - 2 way
Doraiswamy Subway - 2 way
Madley Road Subway - 2 way
Aranganathan Subway - 2 way

Arangnathan Subway is wide but the approach roads through CIT Nagar are narrow. So making them one way may be better than the present scenario. Vehicles from Anna Salai Nandanam side can take Nandi Statue Road and reach the subway. Vehicles from Saidapet can take the School Road to go to CIT Nagar and reach Aranganathan Subway.

Kodambakkam Flyover is very important & high traffic too and so should remain as 2 way.

As such the Brindavan Road is one way from Ashok Nagar to Duraiswamy Road Jn and the one way can be extended up to Panagal park end with only free left turn into North Usman Road. (NO right Turn to South Usman Road). Vehicles have to go around Panagal Park to go to GNC Road, Thyagaraya Road and VN Road.

They can make Duraiswamy road open for light vehicles and make MTC Buses take the Rangarajapuram Flyover. Then they can take Bazullah Road to reach TP Road / Vani Mahal and Pondy Bazar / Eldams Road Jn, via Thanikachalam Road to Burkit Road Jn (VN Road) to Thevar Statue on Anna Salai.

As you've also mentioned, the main problem is the roads on the western side of the tracks. All the roads - from Aranganathan subway, Madley road subway, Rangarajapuram flyover are too narrow.

Everything in your idea looks possible, except plying buses on the new Rangarajappuram flyover. The Kodambakkam station road and the Chakrapani street (two roads from the 2 arms of the flyover) are not suitable for buses at all.

As pointed out, I guess the only solution is to strip T.Nagar of its shopping center status. Already many shops have started opening branches in other places.

No government has the will to make any big changes here. They'll keep patching up the place until shoppers stop coming to this place :(

Next, some other place like Velachery will become the hub. It'll have the same problems. Our next generation of SSCians will discuss about making Velachery, a 'world class' shopping district.

ramvaradan

March 20th, 2012, 08:02 AM

As you've also mentioned, the main problem is the roads on the western side of the tracks. All the roads - from Aranganathan subway, Madley road subway, Rangarajapuram flyover are too narrow.

Everything in your idea looks possible, except plying buses on the new Rangarajappuram flyover. The Kodambakkam station road and the Chakrapani street (two roads from the 2 arms of the flyover) are not suitable for buses at all.

As pointed out, I guess the only solution is to strip T.Nagar of its shopping center status. Already many shops have started opening branches in other places.

No government has the will to make any big changes here. They'll keep patching up the place until shoppers stop coming to this place :(

Next, some other place like Velachery will become the hub. It'll have the same problems. Our next generation of SSCians will discuss about making Velachery, a 'world class' shopping district.

there is only a distance of about 5 kms (crowflies) separating mt.rd@nandanam and arcot.rd@ashoknagar, they should bite the bullet and plan a mother of flyovers for the folks who want to by-pass the t.nagar. t.nagar is beyond help. and we should help folks who want to/have to travel through it. pockets of tiny re-routes, one-ways and small flyovers are not going to help.. the rest of the country have started thinking BIG, no reason why chennai should'nt. a thoroughfare flyover point-to-point will help. there is no reason why t.nagar is still the mecca of shoppers.. the place stinks.

so in essence, do agree with vijaymail -- but a different approach. anything you do inside t-nagar will only make it worse .. so just build a t-nagar bypass.

sridhar_n

March 20th, 2012, 08:32 AM

^^or as someone said earlier, develop other areas like Velachery etc as shopping district...Shoppers will move to those places and T Nagar will be less crowded...just as what has happened to Broadway now...and btw, we need a Mall for the folks in West Mambalam/Ashok Nagar...once there was a plan for a mall opposite to Udayam theatre (land owned by actor Vijay??)...dono if the plan is still on...

kannan infratech

March 20th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Shifting T Nagar Big Shops out is almost impossible as the revenue they rake in is mind boggling. More over is is the current CBD.

So developing alternative Shopping areas with Malls etc may wean away the youngsters to some extent but not the traditionalists. Even South AP guys come here in big numbers.

You guys may be surprised to know that How T Nagar shopping district was formed.
The NSC Bose Road / Parrys Corner was the CBD then and all the traditional rich traders were having shops there.

When a new crop of traders (After selling their land in AP) landed in Chennai to do trading, the traditional traders shunned them and did not allow them to set up shops in NSC Bose Road.

They could get land only in Far Away T Nagar (After the Town - ie George Town, only Mylapore & Saidapet were the main localities).

Initially the traditional traders spread a rumour that the Vasthu of T Nagar was not good so that purchases for marriages or other auspicious occasions should not be done.

It took them almost a generation or two to establish T Nagar supremacy. Even till 1990s, Parrys was catering to whole sale and T Nagar was to retail But now T Nagar has overtaken Parrys by a mile.

By Passing T Nagar to go to the western part of Chennai is the only solution.

T Nagar Panangal Park area should be made a walking district. MLPs nearby is a must.

vinodgopal

March 20th, 2012, 02:18 PM

Will the Anna Arch flyover make them demolish the Anna Arch itself?

kannan infratech

March 20th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Will the Anna Arch flyover make them demolish the Anna Arch itself?

very likely. But they may simply re erect the same arch at the start / end of the ramp.

Arul Murugan

March 21st, 2012, 07:54 AM

It took them almost a generation or two to establish T Nagar supremacy. Even till 1990s, Parrys was catering to whole sale and T Nagar was to retail But now T Nagar has overtaken Parrys by a mile.

By Passing T Nagar to go to the western part of Chennai is the only solution.

T Nagar Panangal Park area should be made a walking district. MLPs nearby is a must.

shifting prime mofusil bus stand to koyamedu marked the final downfall of Parrys.:)

Even in 2000's chennai means first they will show High court, parrys-NSC bose road.

murlee

March 26th, 2012, 10:14 AM

Anna Arch to make way for flyovers

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The landmark Anna Arch that marks the entrance to Anna Nagar will soon make way for two flyovers. The twin arches will either be demolished or relocated by the highways department.

Anna Arch will make way for a 117-crore project, comprising two flyovers and a vehicular subway. In the past month, a number of heritage buildings have come under threat of demolition due to the ongoing Metro Rail work.

The arch was built in 1985 to commemorate the 75th birth anniversary of former chief minister C Annadurai. Though the structure has no heritage value, residents say it serves as a landmark.

Highways department sources said they are waiting for the next council meeting of the Corporation of Chennai. “It has to go, no doubt about that. The council will pass a resolution on whether to demolish it or relocate it,” said the source. “Relocation will be expensive and is not feasible, but there could be political pressures. It will most probably be relocated after initial resistance,” said an official.

The council meeting is likely to be scheduled on April 18, said corporation sources. The new system will remove the need for signals at two junctions at Nelson Manickam Road and Anna Arch on Poonamallee Road. The project is expected to be completed in December 2013.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2012/03/26&PageLabel=1&EntityId=Ar00106&ViewMode=HTML

ezhilan81

March 27th, 2012, 05:23 PM

^^How does one go from NM Road to Koyambedu? Also will not the traffic coming down from that roundabout disturb the straight traffic from Koyambedu since there is going to be lot of criss crossing happening between the straight lane towards Aminjikarai and the flyover lane towards NM Rd?

prabhu007

March 28th, 2012, 09:56 AM

How does one go from NM Road to Koyambedu?

Simple. Take free left in PH road and take the road beneath the flyover (towards Annanagar) and proceed straight. The subway will most probably be joining the PH road on the left most lane I guess.

Also will not the traffic coming down from that roundabout disturb the straight traffic from Koyambedu since there is going to be lot of criss crossing happening between the straight lane towards Aminjikarai and the flyover lane towards NM Rd?

On PH Road (from Koyambedu towards Aminjikarai) on this specific juncture there will be 5 streams of traffic.

1 - From KYM towards AMJ
2 - From KYM towards NMR
3 - From AN towards AMJ (taking free left)
4 - From AN towards NMR (taking free left)
5 - From NM towards AMJ (descending from the loop)

1,3,5 will have to take the PH road carriage-way. 2,4 will be taking the Flyover towards NMR. Yes there will be criss-crossing, in Road Infra terms they call it as "Weaving". But I guess it will be manageable in sufficient distance and proper signanges are placed. Kathipara has much faster and denser traffic and it is quite manageable. Even KYM flyover manages weaving well.

mr_madras

March 29th, 2012, 03:16 PM

Anna arch flyover work going on full swing. they have finished pilar skeleton for loop in siddha compound and work about to start in 3rd avenue & NM road. NM road near Ampa is oneway and it helps lot. i will post pictures shortly

mr_madras

March 30th, 2012, 03:48 AM

Anna arch flyover as on 29th march 2012.
1)Service road formation on 3rd avenue from PH road away from arch so soon they will remove arch.
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4549/dsc02467le.jpg (http://img836.imageshack.us/i/dsc02467le.jpg/)

2)pillar work on loop
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/448/dsc02468gt.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/dsc02468gt.jpg/)

3)pillar work about to start in 3rd avenue
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/6515/dsc02469f.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/i/dsc02469f.jpg/)

4) close look of pillar
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6866/dsc02470w.jpg (http://img854.imageshack.us/i/dsc02470w.jpg/)

mr_madras

March 30th, 2012, 03:53 AM

Thirumangalam work as on 22nd March. Works going smoothly but not in good pace.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/8373/dsc02431lt.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/dsc02431lt.jpg/)

mr_madras

March 30th, 2012, 03:58 AM

Mugappair - Nerkundram(PH Road) causeway/ high level bridge on cooum seems nearing completion and hope they will open within 4 months. it seems 4 lane bridge with pedestrians lane both sides.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3096/dsc02433pm.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/i/dsc02433pm.jpg/)

mr_madras

March 30th, 2012, 04:00 AM

Villiwakkam RUB
Still they are doing some touching work and people near by believe the opening by april 2012

ceeznic pirate

March 30th, 2012, 06:47 AM

Superb updates mr_madras. TFS!

ChennaiFreak

March 30th, 2012, 06:25 PM

1,3,5 will have to take the PH road carriage-way. 2,4 will be taking the Flyover towards NMR. Yes there will be criss-crossing, in Road Infra terms they call it as "Weaving". But I guess it will be manageable in sufficient distance and proper signanges are placed. Kathipara has much faster and denser traffic and it is quite manageable. Even KYM flyover manages weaving well.

I think straight traffic on PH road both ways will be on the right most lane near the median. No vehicle going straight will be entertained on the left lanes.
So there will be suufficient space between the 2 flyovers near the median.
This will prevent criss crossing of vehicles

RajBang

March 30th, 2012, 08:11 PM

friends any update on tirumangalam flyover. please post some latest pics...

Leo_r

March 30th, 2012, 09:14 PM

Previous page...msg 4460

murlee

March 30th, 2012, 10:15 PM

A long wait for north Chennai residents

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Before October, residents of north Chennai can expect smoother traffic flow with a flyover in Mint junction, a rail over-bridge at Cochraine basin road and road under-bridge at Monegar Chowltry Road – slated for completion by September end. The Rs.34.16 crore Villivakkam subway, whose service roads are to be laid, is expected to be completed this month end.

“We have asked the contractors to complete the works as soon as possible. In each of these works, other departments are also involved. We are reviewing each work almost on a daily basis. Wherever required, we are taking night work also. Last week in just 48 hours we shifted Metrowater lines in Mint and we ensured that residents were not put to trouble,” said an official of the Chennai Corporation.

Though only around 40 per cent of the work has been completed in the Mint and Cochrane Basin Road facilities, the civic body has set a deadline of August and September respectively for their completion. The work to construct the Rs.16.66-crore rail over-bridge at the junction of Kathivakkam High Road-Cochrane Basin Road began in November 2007. The Rs. 23 crore project to construct a four-lane flyover at Mint connecting Old Jail Road and Basin Bridge Road began in June 2010. A resident of Old Pensioners lane in Mint, Abdul Halim said, “Several works in north Chennai are delayed. Unlike in the south where residents are more pro-active, people here are afraid to ask questions. They just accept ‘no-work' and ‘slow work' as a fact of life. The Chennai Corporation too does not bother to complete their works on schedule and only give reasons for delays.”

Corporation officials attribute the delays in various projects to land acquisition, delay in completion of Southern Railway portion of work and also shifting of utilities in various projects.

The ‘Y' shaped Rs. 24.18 crore Rangarajapuram flyover, whose other arm which will land in Subramania Nagar in Kodambakkam is expected to be completed in June with the Southern Railway completing their portion of the work in February. One arm connecting Bazullah Road in T. Nagar to Railway Border Road in Kodambakkam was thrown open by Chief Minister Jayalalithaa in September 2011. The work order for the construction of the 962-metre-long flyover was issued in January 2008.

“The completed arm is very useful for one who wants to avoid the old Kodambakkam bridge. I use it regularly to reach Kodambakkam without much trouble and there is no traffic. If the other side is opened, I can avoid getting into West Mambalam through congested Usman Road and Doraiswamy subway,” said K. Ramanan, a resident of Tod Hunter Nagar Saidapet. Three more minor bridges totally costing Rs.7.79 crore – two across Otteri Nullah at Narasimhan Nagar and another connecting N and O Blocks in Anna Nagar and one across Captain Cotton Canal – are expected to be completed by July end.

Meanwhile, three minor bridges completed at a total cost of Rs.7.93 crore that will nevertheless help ease congestion in various parts of the city are ready for inauguration. The Rs.3.38 crore and 150-mt long two-lane flyover has been constructed across the Cooum river. The Rs.3.12 crore bridge connecting Indira Nagar and Rajiv Gandhi Salai and the Rs.1.43 crore bridge at Pari Street near MMDA bus terminus have been completed too. The Indira Nagar bridge has encroachments on one side.

G. Muthukumaran, a resident of Sarangapani Street in Metha Nagar said if the bridge was opened, it would take him just 5 minutes to reach Harrington Road to reach his children's school. “There is continuous traffic on Nelson Manickam Road and even in the afternoon it takes me 20 minutes to reach the school. If the bridge is opened it would help many residents in the area,” he said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3263561.ece

Vicvin86

March 31st, 2012, 02:26 AM

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wlbkng

March 31st, 2012, 02:45 PM

^^ Vinoth where is this?

Vicvin86

March 31st, 2012, 03:09 PM

Near Karanodai, NH5. Replacement for the one collapsed few years back.

Kunil143

April 1st, 2012, 05:13 PM

Looks like some ground works have begun in Echangadu for the flyover at the junction of Medavakkam Main road and Pallavaram-Thoraipakkam radial road.....The roads were extended ..Now both the petrol bunks (Bharat Petroleum and HP) have been closed..

madhan

April 1st, 2012, 06:52 PM

^^ I dont think it is for flyover. There has been a tender 6 months back to strengthen and expand around 200 mts of the Pallavaram thoraipakkam road near this junction. The tender also included expanding a minor bridge near the junction for which the work is going on. The flyover DPR is under preparation and it would be long time before they start the work on this flyover.

ChennaiLeader

April 5th, 2012, 02:59 AM

Plans for vehicular subway to be dropped
K. Lakshmi
http://www.thehindu.com/multimedia/dynamic/01043/05TH_NAGAR_1043956f.jpg
A view of the Periyar EVR Salai and Razack Garden Main Road junction where a vehicular subway was proposed. Photo: M.Vedhan

Plans to build a vehicular subway, designed as part of two flyovers coming up on busy junctions of Periyar EVR Salai, are likely to be dropped owing to objections from residents.

The subway, which was to link Anna Third Avenue and Periyar EVR Salai, was to be built to ensure free flow of traffic from Anna Nagar to Koyambedu. However, residents of Arumbakkam have raised objections, saying the subway would block access to Razack Garden Main Road. Besides residents, many motorists from Guindy and Ashok Nagar too use the road via MMDA Colony as a shortcut to avoid traffic at Vadapalani.

Officials of the Highways Department, which is the implementing agency, said that residents complained that if the subway was built, they would have to travel an additional 500 metres up till Naduvankarai to take a ‘U' turn. Also, once the subway was built, there would be no direct entry to Periyar EVR Salai from Razack Garden Main Road. The department plans to drop the proposal to build the subway, as it would also be difficult and expensive to maintain. The subway was to be 615 metres long and 10 metres wide. Of this, a 150 metre stretch was to be a 10-metre deep tunnel. “We may run into problems of flooding or seepage during rainy days. We are considering an alternative plan, maybe a flyover or a traffic signal for traffic from Anna Nagar bound to Koyambedu,” sources said.

Though the Rs.117 crore project was kicked off a year ago, only 20 per cent of the work has been completed. The ambitious project to decongest the two junctions is meeting roadblocks due to delays in land acquisition.

While one of the flyovers will begin on Periyar EVR Salai and land on Nelson Manickam Road, the other one will start from Periyar EVR Salai and end on Third Avenue, Anna Nagar. Once the flyovers are built, the two junctions that witness a volume of two lakh passenger car units daily, will become traffic signal-free “We can't start work on Periyar EVR Salai until land is acquired on both sides. Work to create a service lane on Anna Nagar Third Avenue is awaiting permission of entry from the Aringnar Anna Government Hospital of Indian Medicine,” said an official.

The historic Anna Arch, a landmark of Anna Nagar, will soon give way to the flyover. The department is waiting for the Chennai Corporation council's approval to demolish the Arch, which was constructed in 1985 to commemorate the 75 birth anniversary of the former chief minister C.N. Annadurai. The Arch will be rebuilt about 300 metres away from its present location on Third Avenue, once the civic body's Council approves the proposal this month.

Source: http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3281619.ece

Its sad that the residents stopped a development work for the sake of unwilling to travel an additional 500 meters. Also its sad that the Highways Department in 2012 are afraid of maintaining a simple subway:bash:

PremChn

April 5th, 2012, 04:53 AM

[INDENT]Plans for vehicular subway to be dropped
K. Lakshmi
Its sad that the residents stopped a development work for the sake of unwilling to travel an additional 500 meters. Also its sad that the Highways Department in 2012 are afraid of maintaining a simple subway:bash:

The traffic at this junction is so congested. It's a nightmare to cross the PH near that junction. Traffic police will be seen only during peak hours and most of the time no body follows the signal. Lot of accidents happened in this place particularly for pedestrians. :doh:

vijayvmail

April 5th, 2012, 06:35 AM

^^It is just impossible to implement even a slightly complex solution in our city :bash:

Every project that initially appears to be big has to be watered down to a simple one, meeting only half the problems (even creating more), due to a host of issues - protests by localites, land acquisition, fund problem ...

prabhu007

April 5th, 2012, 10:07 AM

Now they will end up making vehicles from Annanagar to KYM to take a left at the Anna arch junction, and take U turn under the flyover that proceeds to NM road. Free flow of traffic on the other side of the road would be disrupted.

murlee

April 5th, 2012, 01:43 PM

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/getimage.dll?path=TOICH/2012/04/05/5/Img/Pc0051400.jpg

saurabh85

April 6th, 2012, 01:49 AM

ramvaradan

April 6th, 2012, 06:07 AM

Seems like the JJ effect!!! Existing projects dropped and no new projects announced!!!:bash:

and completed projects gutted out to change to radically stupid ideas ..

murlee

April 6th, 2012, 04:11 PM

Didi effect??

CHANGING COLOURS
Flyovers may turn blue for a brighter commute

Bridges and flyovers in Chennai may soon go blue. In a bid to brighten up the city, the corporation is planning to re-paint flyovers. It is also considering using the space under the flyovers for purposes other than parking.

Residents and commuters in Adyar and Guindy got a pleasant surprise in January, when they saw the flyover on Sardar Patel Road painted bright blue. “It was refreshing to see a new colour. It looks better than the old green,” said Hemanth Reddy, an engineering student from Guindy.

Corporation officials said they decided to try new colours while carrying out maintenance work last year. “A representative of a private paint company showed us many colours. We chose blue. We are getting good feedback,” said a corporation official, adding that the paint was brought from Dubai.

“We decided to try it on one stretch to assess its suitability. So far the colour has proven good, especially for lighting at night,” said corporation commissioner P W C Davidar. Sources said that the traffic police is also satisfied the colour. While the corporation hasn’t yet decided on re-painting all the flyovers, blue will be the choice if it does decide to give them a lick of paint, said officials.

The corporation is also encouraging private consultancy firms to study effective use of space under flyovers. “There is a lot of space under the flyovers that can be used for toilets, landscaping, and seating for pedestrians,” said Raj Cherubal of Chennai City Connect, a non-profit working on urban issues.

A private consultancy, KSM consultants, specialising in urban planning is studying the flyover connecting Radhakrishnan Salai and Cathedral Road, and will submit a report in two weeks. “About 45,000 square feet of road is covered by the bridge. Though much of it is taken up by the junction, there is a lot of space left. We are considering landscaping and using solar pipes to bring sunlight in. Otherwise, we could carve out space for a cycle stand, police chowki, or parking space for an ambulance or tow truck,” said Siddharth Moni, an architect with KSM consultants. “We could have painting exhibitions, galleries, or even screen a movie or host street plays,” he said.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2012/04/06&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00204&ViewMode=HTML

natarajan1986

April 6th, 2012, 07:41 PM

they are good in painting not to expect anything from them

vinodgopal

April 7th, 2012, 06:24 AM

Didi effect??

CHANGING COLOURS
Flyovers may turn blue for a brighter commute

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2012/04/06&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00204&ViewMode=HTML

velakamaaruku pattu kunjalamo? I'm blue da be de da be da nu paadindhu dhan tiriyanum. Idhukku onnum korachal illa. Oru landscaping, dust removal and other essential things ellam kaanum blue paint adikarangalam. mutta pasanga.

Leo_r

April 7th, 2012, 08:18 AM

Toilets under flyover? Do they want constant movement of people across the road?

Mr Mayor and Commissionor, please think on new projects...Don't just keep messing with completed projects.

Again, if they are taking up modern,scientific walkways, first priority should be NSB road(George Town),Usman Road and Theagaraya Road,.

Cathedral rd,radhakrishnanrd can wait.

natarajan1986

April 7th, 2012, 05:28 PM

they are not going to plan any new flyovers for 5 years and hope they will atleast complete planned ones

sansmerci

April 10th, 2012, 01:02 PM

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Government-plans-7-more-flyovers-in-Chennai/articleshow/12604253.cms

jothiprakash

April 10th, 2012, 03:51 PM

http://www.asianage.com/chennai/villivakkam-vehicular-subway-be-opened-soon-618

one more crap

jothiprakash

April 10th, 2012, 05:17 PM

villivakkam subway looks awful, i wonder what they been doin for 5 year to finish this crap spending 35 cr. they worst of worst part is zig-zac curve just below the railway tract at north bound. i knew they would mess up but wouldn't thought to this outrageous extent. shit subway...

krishnaswamy

April 10th, 2012, 08:01 PM

JJ only "vayala vadai" sudarathu.. thatha rule ensures.. poor design..

thillai_selvan

April 11th, 2012, 05:17 AM

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2012/04/11/20120411c_015101003.jpg

thillai_selvan

April 11th, 2012, 05:39 AM

ROB works going in full swing in Maduranthagam....

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2012/04/11/20120411e_016101009.jpg

vijayvmail

April 11th, 2012, 06:25 AM

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2012/04/11/20120411c_015101003.jpg

Nadakirathu... Nadakirathu... Nadanthu Konde Irukirathu ... :bash: (Going on and on and on ...)

Merina

April 12th, 2012, 01:17 PM

Can anyone enlighten me on Urapakkam ROB?

ceeznic pirate

April 12th, 2012, 01:59 PM

the one near to station?

Highways part - completed 100% including lamp posts and median
Railways part - completed 0% - yet to dig up

prabhu007

April 12th, 2012, 05:12 PM

the one near to station?

Highways part - completed 100% including lamp posts and median
Railways part - completed 0% - yet to dig up

Really? You're kidding??!!

ceeznic pirate

April 12th, 2012, 07:00 PM

^^

a month old post..

Urapakkam ROB - Near the station

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7137/img3849o.jpg
By ceeznic (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ceeznic) at 2012-03-06

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1580/img3850x.jpg
By ceeznic (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ceeznic) at 2012-03-06

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9951/img3851c.jpg
By ceeznic (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/ceeznic) at 2012-03-06

Railways yet to start digging, but 100% completed from SG side even with the lamp posts!!

Mukkesh

April 12th, 2012, 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=ceeznic pirate;90368531]^^

Ideal location for a stunt scene where Rajnikanth can fly across the railway track for his next movie in a new Yamaha bike or the old powerful bullet.

:lol:

satishanu

April 12th, 2012, 07:40 PM

:rofl:

Merina

April 13th, 2012, 01:00 PM

Thanks and Really Nice Pictures CP... Its sad to see that Railways have developed it as a habit to make it a mess in all their projects.

arshyam

April 13th, 2012, 05:42 PM

Maybe the railways don't want to build all the flyovers at the same time, since each flyover neccesitates a temporary speed restriction to 15-20 kmph. That would play havoc with the scheduling as all trains will have to crawl through, say, Perungalathur, Vandalur (new flyover), Vandalur (ORR flyover) and Urapakkam (new flyover). They are not far enough away from each other for trains to go 20, then pick up to 100, then slow again to 20.

One thing no one takes into account: the TPJ-MDU line is already a bottleneck - it has very heavy night traffic for a single line, which means a lot of trains will have to cross each other at specific points. Imagine if all trains are running late because of these cascading speed restrictions, SR will have to rework these carefully planned single line crossings and that is a major effort.

I am not an unquestioning fan of SR, or IR - I think they should be enabled to take more decisions without referring to Rail Bhavan for small things such as new EMU schedules - but, in this case, it was probably an engineering/logistics decision to construct flyovers slowly. Also, there are instances where the railway portion was completed before the road portion - Velachery road at TBM, for example.

sethumurugan

April 14th, 2012, 08:24 AM

First of all am sorry for late reply. was busy sometimes.

Sethu sir,

Just becos people pay tax it doesn't give them the right to block the road. How many car are plying in the road with just one person inside. Especially the premium cars occupy hell a lot of space. Even Ambulance cannot reach hospital in time.

For an ambulance not able to reach hospital in time it is not only the cars on the roads. have you seen every bus stop is flooded with autos, becuase of that buses stops in middle of the road, signal vialations, walkways occupied by road side vendors, roads are encroached, the one was is used wrongly as two ways [ please see at vadapalani signal you can see even police vehicles are comming in wrong side from vadapalani temple area to signal ]. so there are so many things which can make lot of space before we insist on more tax. already god only knows where the taxes we salaried people are paying [ the one does pays tax regulars with out fail ]. I am not against tax. pls.

If they want to travel alone at the comfort of ac in the middle of the road. What is wrong in paying more. EA parking 150 per hour pay panum bodu why not extra tax for using the road.

Is it 150 per hour?. Anyway, first let all of us get what we paid for. then we can think about more tax.

It seems you don't use public transport . The buses these are clean nowadays. You can't expect cleanliness like your house as 50 lakh people use it daily.

Daily I travel by bus [ atleast oneway and for few stops ]. I will be there at koyambedu bus stop atleast for 10-15 mints daily in the evening and I see every bus is worst atleast from outside. I see the inside of the bus in which i travel by. based on that only I had commented.

What is fair fare. TN has the lowest bus fare. Even share auto packing in people like fish are charging Rs 10 as minimum . Autos charge rs 30 as minimum fare.
I will tell you examples. I travel from koyambedu bus stand to sai nagar. I think it is Exactly 2Km. For this if it is white board I pay Rs. 5 [ Fair ] in express bus Rs.8 [ What is express? ] in duelex bus Rs. 11. The thing is from koyambedu in white board it is Rs. 8 and in dulex it is Rs.13. Do you think this is fair fare ?

Some one tell me what is M Series.