View Full Version : Taiwan plans multibillion-dollar project to modernize international airport


SungIEman
April 23rd, 2008, 08:02 AM
Taiwan plans to spend billions of dollars (euros) to renovate its dilapidated international airport near the capital of Taipei and build an ultramodern satellite town around it, officials said Tuesday.

The plan, which includes building a new terminal, an additional runway and airport maintenance facilities, is a key infrastructural project proposed by incoming President Ma Ying-jeou.

As planned, a satellite town will be built next to the airport development to include hotels, shopping malls, trade exhibition halls and a residential area.

Total investment for the Taoyuan International Airport and the adjacent town — occupying an area of 7,200 hectares (17,780 acres) — is slated for 1.2 trillion New Taiwan dollars (US$40 billion, €25 billion), officials said.

Legislative approval for land acquisition and construction work is expected shortly after Ma's inauguration in May 20, said Chu Li-lun, chief executive of Taoyuan County in northern Taiwan.

"We welcome international and mainland Chinese investors to invest in the project," Chu told The Associated Press.

"If South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong can build modern airports, so can we," he added.

The current international airport, inaugurated 28 years ago, has become aged and its operation has been criticized as inefficient.

A recent international airport quality assessment ranks the Taiwan airport 98th out of 136 major airports in the world, said Chiang Chun-ting, a Taoyuan County government official.

The new project could create 80,000 new jobs and generate NT$600 billion (US$20 billion, €12.6 billion) in annual revenues, he said.

Source:http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/22/business/AS-FIN-Taiwan-Airport.php

about time?

ddes
April 23rd, 2008, 12:55 PM
I totally agree. About time.

hkskyline
April 23rd, 2008, 02:12 PM
CKS is quite a disgrace .. at least the old terminal. The newer one is actually OK.

Taihoku_Formosa
April 23rd, 2008, 06:59 PM
The new terminal sux too(if you compare it to HK's), but it is just new(but not well maintained). I am looking forward to the renovation of the 1st terminal.

They should also close down Songshan Airport and put all the resources into Taoyuan. If needed, start planning the 3rd terminal.


I'm still in doubt if this will be successful... There have been a lot of big talks like this since I was young. Let me remind you about...六年國建 in the early 90's. 亞太營運中心 in the late 90's.... not so successful... lol

thyrdrail
April 23rd, 2008, 10:42 PM
it's not worth spending all this money on a new airport if they will only hire local architects and companies to design and build it. they need to hire foreign designers because local designers just do not have the ability to design world class structures. they'll just slap tiles all over it. all the brand new airports in asia in incheon, kuala lampur, hk, shanghai, bangkok, etc. were designed by foreigners.

c00lridge
April 26th, 2008, 05:47 AM
Taiwan can't match South Korea, HongKong or Singapore because it doesn't allow direct flight to China yet. Taiwan only got some 20 million people. Singapore and Hongkong are mainly a transit hub. The first one for south east asia and the latter for China. Incheon also increasingly focus to be North Asia' hub.

kapone
April 26th, 2008, 07:38 AM
Taiwan can't match South Korea, HongKong or Singapore because it doesn't allow direct flight to China yet. Taiwan only got some 20 million people. Singapore and Hongkong are mainly a transit hub. The first one for south east asia and the latter for China. Incheon also increasingly focus to be North Asia' hub.

Yea your right, thats why it is time to modernize and build it better for the future. The government has the money and the resources for it.

And yeah, it's about time.

pierre-laurent
April 26th, 2008, 07:53 AM
anyhow, taoyuan international airport is so commonplace and small than any change is welcome.

but i think we shouldn't settle for foreign architects' services but encourage the local an foreign designers' association, in order to favour the appearance of tw's own "world class" designers

tr
April 27th, 2008, 06:23 AM
Nothing new really being offered as far as the airport facilities. Anyone who follows developments in Taiwan surely knows about the plan to renovate the existing airport and add an additional terminal. As for the "airport city" plan, it sounds like a nice serving of corporate welfare. The proposal includes regulations that would exempt companies that locate to the zone from Taiwan's tax and labor laws. The management of the "city" would be run by a board of directors appointed by the president - there will be no local government oversight nor accountability to any regulatory authorities. Moreover, this plan will do nothing to stengthen the existing business centers in Jhongli and Taoyuan City, nor aid in the development of existing industrial parks. Instead of spending billions on a new "ultramodern satellite town", the govenment should improve the investment environment and urban infrastructure in existing cities.

http://img.1-apple.com.tw/1-www/060328/twapple/400pix/20080416/_Other/AA4.jpg

zergcerebrates
April 27th, 2008, 12:05 PM
Any renders?

hkskyline
April 28th, 2008, 03:17 AM
Taiwan can't match South Korea, HongKong or Singapore because it doesn't allow direct flight to China yet. Taiwan only got some 20 million people. Singapore and Hongkong are mainly a transit hub. The first one for south east asia and the latter for China. Incheon also increasingly focus to be North Asia' hub.

Hong Kong is actually not a big transit hub at all. It's a point-to-point destination, while Taiwanese customers bound for China account for only a very small percentage of traffic.

However, recent developments might open up direct flights between Taiwan and China this year.

c00lridge
April 29th, 2008, 06:29 PM
Hong Kong is actually not a big transit hub at all. It's a point-to-point destination, while Taiwanese customers bound for China account for only a very small percentage of traffic.

However, recent developments might open up direct flights between Taiwan and China this year.

Oh...really. I would have thought that Hongkong serves as a transit point from major cities in the world to provincial Chinese cities, at least southern china like Guangdong, shenzhen, xiamen, etc.

taiwanesedrummer36
April 30th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Hopefully there will be some consistent architecture...

BTW, what's the progress on the TTIA MRT project?

tr
May 10th, 2008, 12:40 PM
Just as I suspected ......

Taiwan Journal 5/9/2008
http://taiwanjournal.nat.gov.tw/site/tj/ct.asp?CtNode=122&xItem=43915

"Taoyuan--an international air city
Transform the Taoyuan International Airport into an aviation city for the Asia-Pacific region; complete construction of the third terminal by 2018."

2018
terminal one: 39 years old
terminal two: 18 years old

pierre-laurent
May 11th, 2008, 09:42 AM
OMG! in 2018, we will all be old people...i'm disappointed..

thyrdrail
May 11th, 2008, 10:17 AM
OMG! in 2018, we will all be old people...i'm disappointed..

no i'll be 25. :banana:

why does construction projects in taiwan always develop at such a friggin' snails pace while in other countries they build things overnight? it's so pathetic!!!!

Taihoku_Formosa
May 11th, 2008, 10:23 AM
Old ppl? haha.. how old are u now? ;)

It is not far from now....
I still remember when I was at the site of Taipei101(Taipei World Financial Center) back in 1999. It is almost 9 years...wow.

As long as it actually gets built by then and it will become one of the world's best airports, I don't mind waiting until 2018.

thyrdrail
May 11th, 2008, 11:42 AM
i highly doubt it will be one of the world's best airports - that is, if they will only hire design-deficient local architects to design it and allow bureaucrats and cheap businessmen to fight over costs and such and corrupt it. they seriously need to hire an antonio calatravas-type architect who will design creative and innovative structures that will definitely put taiwan on the world map. they blew it with taipei 101.

http://llworldtour.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/city-of-arts-sci_10_3_1.jpg

taiwanesedrummer36
May 14th, 2008, 12:33 AM
^^ COOL! ^^

wannabeplanner
June 25th, 2008, 04:51 AM
anyone knows what's going on with this project? has it stalled again?

Stylinexpat
June 26th, 2008, 12:12 PM
Hopefully they won't give the projects to the lowest bidders as they usually do. Taiwan's airport is one of the worst in Asia whether or not you like to admit this. Airports in Los Angeles and Paris suck as well. :nuts:

Taiwan needs to get its act together and start spending some money rather then being so freakin stingy. The whole area is like a dump.

Pangu
June 27th, 2008, 03:29 AM
The whole area is like a dump.
I can see the resemblance :shifty:

http://www.highland-energy.com/garbage_dump.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg/800px-CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg

ed21x
June 27th, 2008, 10:27 AM
I actually found terminal 2 to be quite a good experience in my most recent stay. The foodcourt has about 7 restaurants, and the shopping complex is actually pretty extensive, with a selection about equivalent to Narita Airport in Tokyo. Though not the world-winning masterpiece in architecture, terminal 2 is still fairly impressive to look at. Terminal 1 on the otherhand has been rennovated on the inside... the floor is new, as well as the roof, and the lighting has been replaced a few yeas ago. I don't really know what will happen to the underground T1 foodcourt as the MRT will be filling that space, but moving it to the ground floor seems to be a fairly beneficial idea. Perhaps in the future, people would go to T2 for the shopping and T1 for the food.

pierre-laurent
June 28th, 2008, 07:55 AM
actually, the airport is not the real problem. the airports is only the cover of a country.

the real problem is what do we have to show to foreigners in tw?

paris' charles de gaulle airport is rotten, but it's the most visited city in the word...why?

ed21x
June 30th, 2008, 11:40 PM
that's another subject altogether, although if I were a foreigner, I would visit Taiwan for the National Palace Museum, Memorials, Temples, Hot Springs, clubs, and Night Market.

thyrdrail
July 2nd, 2008, 11:33 AM
i dont think LAX is that bad. some terminals are nice. plus i find it convenient to navigate. is paris' airport that bad? they just built a whole new terminal tho.

look at the sidewalk at taoyuan airport. you see how dirty those tiles on the sides are? they dont even bother to wash or better yet replace those. taiwan is full of sidewalks like this. why dont taiwanese care about how their sidewalks look much less their environment and the exterior of buildings? they all help to create a clean and pristine appearance of a city.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg/800px-CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg

Taihoku_Formosa
July 2nd, 2008, 04:24 PM
The basement hasn't been shown... worst ever

howjimaru
July 3rd, 2008, 02:39 AM
i think cks airport is not that bad, the interior of terminal 2 is acceptable and modern, but terminal one needs a total makeover. why didn't they update the interiors once in a while like changi terminal 1? nevertheless, the immigration queue is very efficient though

pierre-laurent
July 5th, 2008, 07:41 AM
that's another subject altogether, although if I were a foreigner, I would visit Taiwan for the National Palace Museum, Memorials, Temples, Hot Springs, clubs, and Night Market.the collections of the palace museum are the ones of our rare real word class things to see.

but let be honest, except chinese and some sinologists, which foreigner know that beijing forbidden city's treasure is in taipei's palace museum? and do you really think the building, infrastures and surrounding area of the museum match those no-price historic objects?

it's a disaster! what the hell are those ugly buildings doing in front of the museum?
[IMG]http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2203/nationalpalacemuseumtaico1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


why can't taiwan government try to build a rafined asian style palace (maybe in the style of the democracy memorial hall but in better..) with a nice garden, in which visitors can dream after having seen the treasure of the ancient china?


the problem in tw is there is no global and coherent urban project.

nemu
July 5th, 2008, 10:02 AM
you really think the building, infrastures and surrounding area of the museum match those no-price historic objects?

If the designs of the new THSR or KMRT stations are to go by, poor designs could well become a thing of the past.

There's isn't a 'palace' next to the museum but they can make do with one only a few min ride away at Yuanshan. The circle line stage 2 mrt is expected to stop at the museum. Tenders for Stage 1 will be put up any day now i believe.

http://www.traffic.tpc.gov.tw/web66/_file/1680/upload/Y.jpg

tr
September 5th, 2008, 07:47 AM
Looks like the plan has been scrapped. The following article mentions that the zone will be limited to the immediate area surrounding TTIA.
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CAA tenders bill governing airport zone

TAOYUAN INTERNATIONAL: The new version of the bill would create a state-run corporation to control the airport, which is the opposite of what Taoyuan wanted
By Shelley Shan
STAFF REPORTER
Friday, Sep 05, 2008, Page 4
The Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA) said yesterday that it had submitted a new version of the draft bill for the proposed Taoyuan International Airport Zone to the Executive Yuan for review this week.

The draft stipulates that a state-run corporation would manage the zone. After a 10 percent deduction, 18 percent of the net profit generated by the company’s operation would be given to the local government.

The rest of the net profit would go to the Civil Aviation Operational Fund (民航作業基金).

CAA director-general Lee Long-wen (李龍文) emphasized that the original revenue sources for the fund, such as the aircraft landing and departure fees, would remain unchanged.

The CAA-proposed bill was drastically different from the one proposed by legislators from Taoyuan, which suggested the airport special zone be governed by a private, independent authority that would be free from government regulation.

In addition, the authority would be entitled to decide the boundary of the special zone.

By contrast, the CAA’s bill would limit the special zone to airport infrastructure and land immediately adjacent to the airport.

During yesterday’s briefing, the CAA used statistics from last year to estimate the potential income of the state-run company at the initial stage of operation. The net profit generated by the Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport was NT$1.975 billion (US$62.2 million) last year.

The law would require that 10 percent of the net profit be handed over to the airport construction fund.

When that is deducted, 18 percent of the remaining profit would be given to the Taoyuan County Government.

Taoyuan already receives funding from the central government each year because of the airport, which covers charges for noise control and reimbursements to local governments.

Based on last year’s performance, the Taoyuan County Government would receive additional funds of approximately NT$320 million if the bill is passed.

The CAA has drawn up a working timeline to set up the state-run company. A preparatory committee will be established by March next year. The company is scheduled to be in operation by 2010 after relevant regulations are either amended or formed.

Lee said that the 18 percent benchmark is subject to change, as the bill still needs to be reviewed by the legislature, but he said that the percentage was the maximum the administration could accept.

Lee said the bill was specifically designed for the Taoyuan International Airport, and that the success of the bill would inform the government’s decision to use the model at other airports.

"ZukiChirO"
September 7th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Interesting Thread...any Picture's about the Multi billion dollar project of modernization of your international airport?....

thyrdrail
September 7th, 2008, 10:37 PM
i wish they would've just built a whole new airport next to the old one. they got the land. the current terminals arent worth keeping. lost opportunity, me thinks.

superchan7
September 8th, 2008, 08:22 AM
It's a pity that things are progressing so sluggishly; Taoyuan's airport infrastructure really deserves better and more aggressive policies. It's the entry point into Taiwan for most foreigners and would do much for first impressions.

williamchung7
October 19th, 2008, 11:42 PM
We're still waiting, that government can pass whole plan.

Stylinexpat
October 20th, 2008, 06:41 PM
I totally agree. About time.


It's about time. I hope that new airport doesn't look like terminal 2's new airport where it is new but looks like a new airport from the 70's or 80's:nuts:
I look forward to seeing how this new airport will look when it finishes. Let's see if they can match the new airport in Korea or Hong-Kong and not end up like a new airport that opened up in Manila.

Stylinexpat
October 20th, 2008, 06:46 PM
i dont think LAX is that bad. some terminals are nice. plus i find it convenient to navigate. is paris' airport that bad? they just built a whole new terminal tho.

look at the sidewalk at taoyuan airport. you see how dirty those tiles on the sides are? they dont even bother to wash or better yet replace those. taiwan is full of sidewalks like this. why dont taiwanese care about how their sidewalks look much less their environment and the exterior of buildings? they all help to create a clean and pristine appearance of a city.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg/800px-CKS_Airport_Terminal_Two.jpg

The airport in Los Angeles (LAX) is beyond horrible but when you compare it to the airport in Taiwan and Manila then it's not all that bad:nuts:

Stylinexpat
October 20th, 2008, 06:47 PM
actually, the airport is not the real problem. the airports is only the cover of a country.

the real problem is what do we have to show to foreigners in tw?

paris' charles de gaulle airport is rotten, but it's the most visited city in the word...why?


One would have thought that the French could built a more welcoming airport for all those tourists they get. That airport is also beyond horrible. It reminds me of the airport in Damascus, Syria..

kalifese
October 21st, 2009, 03:57 AM
so what's happening with terminal 1 renovation? anyone know?? or is it just not happening??

purple_orchid
October 21st, 2009, 09:11 AM
I have seen the new t1 design. it looks very nice, an elegant, minimal style by a japanese architect. will try to get pictures for you.

Awesome.e
October 21st, 2009, 01:11 PM
the collections of the palace museum are the ones of our rare real word class things to see.

but let be honest, except chinese and some sinologists, which foreigner know that beijing forbidden city's treasure is in taipei's palace museum? and do you really think the building, infrastures and surrounding area of the museum match those no-price historic objects?

it's a disaster! what the hell are those ugly buildings doing in front of the museum?
[IMG]http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2203/nationalpalacemuseumtaico1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


why can't taiwan government try to build a rafined asian style palace (maybe in the style of the democracy memorial hall but in better..) with a nice garden, in which visitors can dream after having seen the treasure of the ancient china?


the problem in tw is there is no global and coherent urban project.

I totally Agree with you, With Taiwan's Economy, we could build everything world class with the best Architecture and Design.. but all I see is old and ugly concrete blocks everywhere in Taiwan.. Even in the Areas Around Taipei101.. All buildings are ugly, they should stop building new buildings on new land and start some Urban Renewal projects.. Even Shanghai is and Beijing is doing a better Job then we are.. so disappointed!

Awesome.e
October 21st, 2009, 01:22 PM
Taiwanese Airports are the ugliest in the world.. Even African Airports are better than the Taiwanese ones (not mentioning other airports around the world, Check Africa Thread).. I am Taiwanese and everytime I visit Taiwan.. The moment I land.. I see a ugly airport (interior and exterior).. The airport should be the 1st impression that a tourist will get.. In Taoyuan, Terminal one (old) and Terminal 2 (new) are in a completely different design.. They should make it the same type of design or similar atleast.. Terminal 1 is going under renovation which is good.. but they should do something about Terminal 2 as well.. Both of them looks extremely ugly.. I dont know why the Taiwanese government still bid the jobs to Japanese films.. Japanese might have the top technology, but when it comes to design.. Its really shocking! Its time to ask the europeans for help.. Look at how the South Korean and Hong Kong airport turned out! Excellent designs.. Time for the Taiwanese Government to Wake up.. Tourism will never pick up with the current infrastructure (airports and ugly cities).. Top priority infrastructure improvements is Airport and other transport upgrades and urban renewal projects.. Urban renewal project should be done Area by Area,, not building by building.. thats my opinion ..

Severiano
October 21st, 2009, 04:45 PM
Terminal 2 is no frills but it is really nice. The interior looks decent, and going through customs and finding the gates is relatively easy. Taiwan doesn't have to waste a ton of money to make some Beijing, Incheon, or Sambatasfserfsfjfd (the one in Thailand) kind of airport. Just do it Taiwanese style, very convenient!

superchan7
October 21st, 2009, 07:17 PM
T2 reminds me of Kai Tak Airport, despite being decades newer.

kalifese
October 22nd, 2009, 02:43 PM
Taiwan doesn't have to waste a ton of money to make some Beijing, Incheon, or Sambatasfserfsfjfd (the one in Thailand) kind of airport.


yes it does. shut up. :lol:

Stylinexpat
October 27th, 2009, 05:59 AM
so what's happening with terminal 1 renovation? anyone know?? or is it just not happening??

That airport is still a hole in the wall. This airport and the one in Manila must be one of the worst in Asia. The food inside is beyond horrible and everything is old and stinky. If you can manage to stand inside the bathroom for more then 1 minute in the departure area by the duty-free you are lucky.

The only good thing about this airport is that you get your luggage pretty quickly and you are out pretty quickly but the inside looks like something from the 50's. Inside people are friendly too unlike Hong-Kong. Would be nice to see them build an airport like the one in Hong-Kong,Korea or Dubai but it just won't happen because here it is all about money and they try to do things as cheaply as possible. In Taiwan the lowest bidder and highest briber gets the job.

Severiano
October 29th, 2009, 04:56 PM
Since I am from the US, I have low standards when it comes to airports. I don't think it is necessary to have them decorated and stuff. I just want cheap food for connecting flights and a starbucks.

There is one good thing about Chaing Kai Shek airport, its in Taiwan! When I arrive in the airport, I know I am in my favorite place in the world!

Taipei Walker
November 30th, 2009, 12:37 PM
from today's China Post

TAOYUAN, Taiwan -- A project to refurbish Terminal 1 at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport -- the country's main gateway -- got underway Monday, with President Ma Ying-jeou presiding over a ground-breaking ceremony in a parking lot near the west wing of the terminal.

Noting that the project is a precursor to an ambitious Taoyuan Aviation City project, Ma said the facelift should be completed in August 2011 as scheduled.

"The project should meet quality expectations and should not be plagued by accidents or corruption scandals," he added.

Ma recalled that he was almost reduced to tears when he visited the Taoyuan airport during his presidential campaign two years ago and was told that it ranked lower than 80th in a global survey of airport competitiveness.

"Because of Taiwan's strategic geographic location, it has enormous potential to become a regional transshipment hub. If we fail to realize this goal, we will be letting down our country," Ma said.

When the Terminal 1 renovation project is completed, Taiwan's main gateway will show the world a new face, he added.

The project is not only an integral part of upgrading Taiwan's competitiveness but also marks the start of the NT$4 trillion (US$124.22 million) 12 "iTaiwan" projects to improve the country's infrastructure, as outlined in his presidential campaign platform, Ma said.

"The completion of the airport facelift project will also be a highlight of Taiwan's celebration of its 100th birthday in 2011," the president added.

In addition to the NT$2 billion refurbishment, a NT$1.2 billion project to repair and replace service facilities at the airport will also be launched simultaneously to upgrade the airport's overall competitiveness, Minister of Transportation and Communications (MOTC) Mao Chih-kuo said at the ground-breaking ceremony.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/t-business/2009/11/30/234766/Project-launched.htm

Taihoku_Formosa
November 30th, 2009, 04:49 PM
The key is management too... Many of the things we have mentioned can be done by better maintenace.

kalifese
December 1st, 2009, 12:21 PM
they really should've just built a whole new airport and hired foreign architects and experts. i have no faith in taiwanese architects and planners. just look at that new china airlines headquarters. so uninnovative, unimaginitive. just a copy cat of a building in xinyi. :ohno:

wannabeplanner
December 1st, 2009, 01:50 PM
That's great news! I can't wait to see the progress next time I am in Taipei!

purple_orchid
December 9th, 2009, 09:08 PM
they really should've just built a whole new airport and hired foreign architects and experts. i have no faith in taiwanese architects and planners. just look at that new china airlines headquarters. so uninnovative, unimaginitive. just a copy cat of a building in xinyi. :ohno:

It is being designed by a japanese architect, i have seen the renders and the design is sophisticated and elegant. it is good news for taipei.:cheers:

Kenwen
December 10th, 2009, 07:20 AM
Terminal 2 is no frills but it is really nice. The interior looks decent, and going through customs and finding the gates is relatively easy. Taiwan doesn't have to waste a ton of money to make some Beijing, Incheon, or Sambatasfserfsfjfd (the one in Thailand) kind of airport. Just do it Taiwanese style, very convenient!

what do u mean by wastinhg money, if the demand for that airport is great then the airport wil be bigger, beijing capital airport is the 3rd busiest in the world, i dun think they r wasting the resources, we dun want to c a small beijing airport that accomadate 70million passengers annually

williamchung7
December 10th, 2009, 11:03 AM
Talking about airport development, you need to consider the capacity in peak time.

Stylinexpat
December 18th, 2009, 06:49 PM
I was in the men's restroom at Taoyuan airport and I have no clue WTF they use to clean those bathrooms but the odor in there was one of the worst ever. Any longer then a minute in there and one would pass out. What ever they used for cleansing was beyond horrible.

Can't complain about efficiency though as I am always in and out of that airport really quick. There is a very friendly blind man in there that I usually get a massage from on my wait out of Taiwan which gives a pretty good back massage before the flight. Unless you are a local one can forget about trying to find a decent meal in there as the food at the airport is beyond horrible.

superchan7
December 18th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Did they pour too much bleach in the toilets?

So, is T1 going to get renovated finally? Any news on work start?

kalifese
December 18th, 2009, 09:35 PM
I was in the men's restroom at Taoyuan airport and I have no clue WTF they use to clean those bathrooms but the odor in their was one of the worst ever. Any longer then a minute in there and one would pass out. What ever they used for cleansing was beyond horrible.

which would you rather smell: shit or bleach? :naughty:

Stylinexpat
December 19th, 2009, 04:06 AM
Did they pour too much bleach in the toilets?

So, is T1 going to get renovated finally? Any news on work start?

I think they are still taking bids to see who can do it the cheapest possible way. It is pretty sad on how far corruption goes here. I think it will be years away before they start on that new airport.


Would be really nice to see them build an airport as nice as the one in Hong-Kong or Seoul. I was in Guangzhou last week and that airport was pretty damn nice. When I got back in Taoyuan's airport I felt like I had landed into Manila's airport:nuts: The good thing about Taiwan's airport though is that you get your luggage unlike Manila's airport where they steal anything of value.

Stylinexpat
December 19th, 2009, 04:07 AM
which would you rather smell: shit or bleach? :naughty:

This bleach was like a combination of sewer and bleach combined together :nuts:

superchan7
December 19th, 2009, 08:39 PM
I've never been to GZ's new airport, but mainland Chinese facilities are still unproven in long-term maintenance of these new super-modern public projects. It does look great in pictures and does justice to serving a major city like GZ.

Incheon's airport has a rather space-age interior, but it looks a little cramped from many pictures. HK's is nice, but I don't find it as convenient as other people say it is...it's too big.

Well, as long as the lowest bidder completes the project to architect specification, it's fine and should look as good as the work of a higher bidder.

wannabeplanner
January 18th, 2010, 05:56 AM
Found this on Skyscrapers.cn

Check it out! It looks pretty good..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiLR9_VhJ0Y

benKen
January 18th, 2010, 03:55 PM
桃園機場第一航廈改善工程將花費32億元,預定在民國100年8月底可以完工。(圖/記者林睿康攝影)記者林睿康/台北報導

「桃園機場第一航廈改善工程」今(30)日舉行開工動土典禮。總統馬英九、行政院長吳敦義和交通部長毛治國等官員也出席參與動土儀式,毛治國表示,第一航廈改善工程將花費32億元,在行政院的要求下,預定在民國100年8月底可以完工。

毛治國指出,桃園機場第一航廈在30年前是亞太地區機場的建設標竿,不過因鄰近國家的各機場在這十幾年不斷改擴建,使得桃園機場必須要急起直追,才不至於遭到國際淘汰。

毛治國說,桃園機場第一航廈改善工程,是桃園國際航空城的先期計畫,計畫經費約新台幣20億元,而為了提升航廈整體服務水準,政府也將同步進行第一航廈的相關設施整建和汰換約新台幣12億元,總計外觀和內部裝潢需花費32億元。

毛治國表示,桃園機場第一航廈改善工程完工後,將增加1萬3000平方公尺的空間,旅客服務量也將從每年1200萬人次提升到1500萬人次,而為了維持第一航廈繼續營運,改建工程將採區域施工,原本這項工程預定在民國100年年底完工,不過在行政院的要求下,將趕在民國100年8月底完成。


http://www.motc.gov.tw/mocwebGIP/wSite/public/Data/f1260784171442.jpg


http://www.motc.gov.tw/mocwebGIP/wSite/public/Data/f1260784305199.jpg

http://www.motc.gov.tw/mocwebGIP/wSite/public/Data/f1260783960136.jpg

http://www.motc.gov.tw/mocwebGIP/wSite/public/Data/f1260784246123.jpg


http://www.dan-n.co.jp/image/CKS/section2.gif

SpeedoPro
January 18th, 2010, 04:29 PM
very nice indeed. glad to see the renovation is finally taking place.:)

kalifese
January 19th, 2010, 11:14 AM
instead of concaving it in, i think they should've convexed the roof out so it's a big arc. that way the ceilings are much taller in height. cuz the ceiling looks so low in this renovation.

williamchung7
January 29th, 2010, 07:49 AM
China Airlines - 華航園區 module
It is in the airport.
http://www.modelerlhj.com/case-view.php?pid=260

Training Centre
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/43444_2008-09-12154001.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/72741_2008-09-12154001.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/98216_2008-09-12154001.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/43966_2008-09-12153936.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/59140_2008-09-12153936.jpg

The building behind the training centre is Headquarter
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/70114_2008-09-12153936.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/79409_2008-09-12154001.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/87313_2008-09-12153936.jpg

The last part is Hotel which behind the Headquarter
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/China%20Airlines%20Headquarter/195cd6d0.jpg

Huhu
January 29th, 2010, 10:29 PM
Is this an all new HQ for China Airlines? Has business been that good for them lately? I stayed in the CA hotel on a stopover on the way to HK (after an 8 hour delay in Vancouver lol). I'd say it's about time they renovated it or built a new one.

kalifese
January 30th, 2010, 04:42 AM
uninspiring, uninnovative, somewhat strange design. obviously designed by a taiwanese architect. :sly:

williamchung7
January 30th, 2010, 05:40 AM
http://skykaohsiung.freeforum.hk/thread-8221-3-1.html

China Airline Headquarter and training centre
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/dscf0013zx.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/dscf0015i.jpg

Some good renovation work
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/dscf0018p.jpg

williamchung7
January 30th, 2010, 05:50 AM
More pictures

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/Novotel%20Taipei%20Taoyuan%20International%20Airport/exampleCase_other04b.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/Novotel%20Taipei%20Taoyuan%20International%20Airport/exampleCase_other04a.jpg

asahi
January 30th, 2010, 05:22 PM
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20Aerotropolis/dscf0013zx.jpg

When it was still under-construction I passed by it like 10 times and I was wondering what it was. Now I know :)

zergcerebrates
January 31st, 2010, 12:41 PM
Sorry, but I think the new T1 rennovation design is very "Tu" (tacky). They should of demolish it and start fresh. How can they compete with that? They need to go check out airports like Changi, HKIA, or the Shanghai T2. Even the HS train station of Taichung, Banciao, Kaoshiung is way better than this.

williamchung7
March 7th, 2010, 03:28 AM
from Wikipedia
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20MRT/800px-Taoyuan_International_Airport.jpg

by影少
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20MRT/PIC_9131.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20MRT/PIC_9125.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/williamchung7/Taoyuan/Taoyuan%20MRT/PIC_9118.jpg

Awesome.e
March 15th, 2010, 11:44 AM
:) MRT!!! they must hurry up with it! :)

ad50939
May 14th, 2010, 02:46 PM
The latest video presentation of the Terminal 1 Improvement Project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiLR9_VhJ0Y

Awesome.e
June 1st, 2010, 01:54 PM
any updates?

tr
June 5th, 2010, 06:40 PM
The latest move is to undermine the whole project by offering many of the same services at Songshan.

China Times: Songshan Airport renaissance
2010/06/02 10:07:50
Taipei's Songshan Airport will launch direct flights to Shanghai's Hongqiao Airport June 14 and to Tokyo's Haneda Airport Oct. 31, and is planning to further provide direct flights to Seoul's Kimpo Airport.

We very much look forward to the economic development opportunities brought by the close links between Taipei and the three major Northeast Asian cities. The air services will be very helpful to promoting bilateral exchanges and attracting international business and leisure travelers.

Songshan Airport, Hongqiao Airport and Haneda Airport are all located downtown, which means that travel time can be significantly shortened with the help of MRT systems. In order words, a "one-day living circle" can be realized between Taipei, Shanghai and Tokyo.

Before Songshan Airport sees a sharp traffic increase, however, we need to make full preparations in advance and seek to improve the airport's infrastructure. The space, design and facilities of Songshan Airport have long been insufficient to meet the needs of an international airport. For example, Boeing 747s cannot land or take off at the airport because its runways are too short.

The support of many quarters will be needed for the airport to display a fresh loo

hkskyline
June 7th, 2010, 05:07 PM
Plans begin for airport terminal
The CAA is seeking designs for the third terminal at the airport in Taoyuan from overseas architectural teams, the CAA chief said
7 June 2010
Taipei Times

The Ministry of Transportation and Communications (MOTC) said yesterday it will start planning the construction of a third terminal at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport this year.

Minister of Transportation and Communications Mao Chi-kuo said in a briefing to President Ma Ying-jeou that the ministry aims to re-establish Taoyuan International Airport as a hub in Northeast Asia.

LOCOMOTIVE

"The cross-strait direct aviation policy has helped resume the growth of passenger flights at Taoyuan Airport," Mao said. "The next project is the Airport Zone project, which will spread the economic benefits from the airport to nearby areas. The third terminal will serve as the locomotive of the Airport Zone project."

Civil Aeronautics Administration Director-General Lee Lung-wen said the preliminary plan is to build an eco-friendly third terminal next to the second terminal, adding that the CAA is seeking designs from well-known architectural teams overseas.

Ma inspected the facilities at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport yesterday morning. Along with Mao and Lee, Ma was also accompanied by Taoyuan County Commissioner John Wu and the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) candidate for Sinbei City Eric Chu. The Airport Zone project was proposed during Chu's term as Taoyuan County commissioner.

During his inspection tour, Ma examined the baggage carts and the restaurants at the airport, which have been criticized by some of the nation's celebrities. The airport should strive to bring in restaurants serving Taiwanese snacks that are normally available in Shihlin and *Liuho night markets, Ma said.

Lee said a total of 2,600 baggage carts should be in place by the end of the August, adding that there will soon be customer surveys on both the airport's restaurants and baggage carts.

Lee added there will also be a library available for passengers transiting at the airport. A third runway will be built to accommodate larger aircraft, such as the Airbus 380.

Ma also inspected the airport rail construction sites, which is scheduled to begin operation in October 2014.

The Bureau of High Speed Rail (BHSR), which is in charge of building the airport rail, is planning to offer express train services that will allow passengers from Taipei to arrive at the airport in 28 minutes.

INCENTIVE AND INCLINE

Ma, however, said the operation time should be reduced to 20 to 25 minutes if the bureau wants more people to stop driving to the airport and use the rail service instead.

"It [the system] takes such a long time to build and it moves so slowly, who will come and use it?" Ma said. "We should have the ambition to make the travel time shorter. If we could manage to make it into a 20 minute or 25 minute ride, this would be a greater incentive to use the service."

BHSR Director-General Chu Shu said that raising the speed might be a problem because a quarter of the railway section would have an incline of 3 percent or more.

SpeedoPro
June 9th, 2010, 03:49 AM
what a relief to hear that they plan to seek designs from overseas architectural firms! no more hideous and gaudy dog poop from c.y.lee please..:drool::banana:

williamchung7
June 9th, 2010, 07:30 AM
what a relief to hear that they plan to seek designs from overseas architectural firms! no more hideous and gaudy dog poop from c.y.lee please..:drool::banana:

The news said that this government will spend 50 billion dollars for T3.

tr
June 10th, 2010, 12:00 PM
Minister of Transportation and Communications Mao Chi-kuo said in a briefing to President Ma Ying-jeou that the ministry aims to re-establish Taoyuan International Airport as a hub in Northeast Asia.

Taoyuan was a hub? When was that?


Ma also inspected the airport rail construction sites, which is scheduled to begin operation in October 2014......Ma, however, said the operation time should be reduced to 20 to 25 minutes if the bureau wants more people to stop driving to the airport and use the rail service instead.

"It [the system] takes such a long time to build and it moves so slowly, who will come and use it?" Ma said. "We should have the ambition to make the travel time shorter. If we could manage to make it into a 20 minute or 25 minute ride, this would be a greater incentive to use the service."

A little late for changes! Why didn't Ma raise these issues at the planning stage, or during the groundbreaking ceremony he presided over in June 2006? Can he really be this out of touch?

Taihoku_Formosa
June 10th, 2010, 08:27 PM
2007/11/07 行政院
˙院會通過放寬松山機場限建
2006/12 郝龍斌 國民黨台北市長參選人
˙原贊成廢機場改成公園,後提出將松山機場改為兩岸直航機場
2006/12 宋楚瑜 親民黨台北市長參選人
˙松山機場成三通直航機場
2006/12 謝長廷 民進黨台北市長參選人
˙廢除松山機場,改為首都中央公園
2002/12 馬英九 國民黨台北市長尋連任
˙松山機場成為兩岸直航機場
2002/12 李應元 民進黨台北市長參選人
˙廢除松山機場,改建為公園
1998/12 馬英九 國民黨台北市長參選人
˙支持遷建松山機場以解決周邊噪音問題
註:除放寬限建案外,其餘政見全未兌現
資料來源:《蘋果》採訪整理 2007
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國民黨台北市長候選人馬英九今早走訪中山區的濱江市場,並對中山區發展提出願景,馬英九表示,在他當選後,將積極檢討松山機場遷建問題,他認為,在高鐵完工後,松山機場遷建應該可以獲得認同。
11/25/1998聯合晚報

12 years ago and 12 years later...
A man with great vision... spending more money on Songshan instead of Taoyuan. Songshan will indeed become a new hub of Asia. :)

ps.
This is not discussed often, but i think it's important and serious issue. How much money and time has been wasted by this decision? (construction and especially for commuters everyday)
You do the math:
"內湖線核定之初並沒有機場這一站,為了增設機場站,因此增加了1.9公里的長度和64.6億元的經費。.....根據統計,上下車者每天最不超過2000人次,但是卻因為增加這一段耗費通勤族每趟次4分鐘和3.2元的票價。 ....文湖線目前運量約為每日16萬人次..."
http://www.nownews.com/2010/03/17/327-2580848.htm

However, Ma was not the worst planner... he is just one of them... the fate of TW.

tr
June 17th, 2010, 08:20 AM
"In other news, the Ministry of Transportation and Communications said it had extended the job application deadline for the position of a general manager at Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport Co from today to Friday next week.

Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport Co is scheduled to be established in November and is key to the nation’s Airport Zone Project.

So far, only one person has applied, the ministry said."

:uh:

kalifese
June 17th, 2010, 08:29 AM
why dont they just call it taoyuan international airport instead of taiwan taoyuan international airport??? even the name sucks!!!

Taihoku_Formosa
June 18th, 2010, 07:45 PM
When the airport was being built, it was first named Taoyuan. However, back then Taiwan was still a one party state, like many Taiwan's streets and place names, it was later renamed as Zhongzhen/Chungcheng(CKS) to commemorate CKS.
It was used until DPP came in power in 2000 and started to talk about changing the name, since DPP sees CKS as a dictator. KMT of course refused since CKS brought them to Taiwan and was seen as great leader. However, KMT later suggested the name "Taiwan Taoyuan" to show that they "love Taiwan no less" because KMT was originally from Mainland China and seen as a pro-China party. Of course, DPP used the chance to change the name once for all... the happy ending for both parties.


Taoyuan=>1979 CSK=>2006 Taiwan Taoyuan


I prefer Taoyuan instead of Taiwan Taoyuan. Taoyuan was also the original name when it was first built. Nowadays, many Taiwanese are used to calling it Taoyuan instead of CC/CSK or even TW Taoyuan this redundant name.