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Ivanski
April 30th, 2008, 11:55 AM
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The need for an efficient public transport servicing the major passenger routes, the traffic and ecological problems of the capital city implied the construction of a subway network in Sofia. According to the Technical and Economic Feasibility Report approved by the Council of Ministers of the Republic of Bulgaria, the General Scheme for the development of the Metropolitan lines will follow the three-diameter structure, with a total length estimated at 52 km.

The system will have 47 stations and after the final stage of its construction the Metropolitan will have capacity of more than 1 million passenfars per day. The first diameter from the Obelja RD through Lyulin RD to the Center and from there to Mladost RD will have a total length of 19 km and 17 stations.

The second diameter will link the Lozenets RD with the Center and from there to the Ilientsi RD, with a total length of 18 km and 15 stations. The third diameter will link the Knyazhevo RD with the Center and from there to the Poduene and Vasil Levski residential districts, with a total length of 15.8 km and 15 stations. The lines will be inter-linked within a downtown triangle, marked by the St. Nedelya Square, the Kliment Ohridski University and the National Palace of Culture.
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Необходимостта от ефективен обществен транспорт по направление на най-големите пътнически потоци, транспортните и екологични проблеми на града са наложили да започне изграждането на метро в гр. София. Съгласно приетия от Министерския съвет на Р. България Технико-икономически доклад за метрото, Генералната схема за развитие на линиите му трябва да бъде с три диаметъра с обща дължина 52 км, 47 метростанции, като в крайния етап на реализация превозва над 1 млн. пътника дневно. Първия диаметър ж.к."Обеля" - ж.к."Люлин" - Център - ж.к."Младост" ще има дължина 19 км. и 17 станции.

Втория диаметър кв. "Лозенец" - Център - кв. "Илиянци" ще има дължина 18 км и 15 станции. Третия диаметър кв. "Княжево" - Център - ж.к."Подуяне" - ж.к."В. Левски" ще има дължина 15,8 км и 15 станции. Линиите се пресичат в триъгълник в централната градска част на пл. "Св. Неделя", пред СУ "Кл. Охридски" и Националния дворец на културата.



note: ^^ green line is metro-diameter III, which can be transformed into high-speed tram line or other light-rail transport.


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zzibit
April 30th, 2008, 10:32 PM
What's up with those red dots in Interpred?:nuts: I hope they changed the wall design.

Tego
April 30th, 2008, 11:36 PM
^^ Nope, sorry. They didn't. The station itself is ready by the way, what's left is the tunnel.

Ivanski
May 1st, 2008, 10:20 AM
But "Yunak" and 11 and 12 are great :cheers:

btw I've seen some updated versions of the upper map ^^ if someone has a newer scheme let's post it :)

Fallen
May 1st, 2008, 11:29 AM
well, looks like you'll have a lot of red buttons to push :D

nikoy88
May 1st, 2008, 01:42 PM
well, looks like you'll have a lot of red buttons to push :D

not funny .... it's sad :wallbash:

zzibit
May 1st, 2008, 07:14 PM
He needs to do less talking and more doing ^^

radi6404
May 3rd, 2008, 11:02 AM
He needs to do less talking and more doing ^^

He does enough doing

Cosmin
May 3rd, 2008, 12:26 PM
Is that holy water he's spilling?:runaway:

nikoy88
May 3rd, 2008, 12:52 PM
Is that holy water he's spilling?:runaway:

yep, we're full of vamps during the summer, so basically it's like a precaution, u know… We’re doing the same with our buses, trams, and trolleybuses. It keeps the folks safe and in the same time it makes the surroundings look much cleaner…

:)

Cosmin
May 3rd, 2008, 01:09 PM
The train driver should have a stake at hand... you know, just in case a passenger transforms.:shifty:

They do the same here... poor holy water on everything.:bash:

radi6404
May 3rd, 2008, 05:15 PM
When will the metro reach central trainstation?

nikoy88
May 3rd, 2008, 06:52 PM
When will the metro reach central trainstation?

Well, basically that’s a tough question, cuz quite frankly nobody knows when they’re gonna start the MD 2 the first line ain’t passing trough the Central station as far as I know. On the other hand I’m pretty sure that the MD 2 will pass somewhere close, if it gets started someday >>>>> ……..

http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=metrodiamlh4.png

Tego
May 4th, 2008, 03:04 AM
When will the metro reach central trainstation?

My guess would be 2014 and I believe I'm rather optimistic. Don't ask me why I said so. It's just an educated guess.

nikoy88
May 4th, 2008, 02:26 PM
When will the metro reach central trainstation?

here is a map so u can figure out how slow this things are gettin' done...

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5945/metrodiamlh4.png

and by the time it (MD 2) gets finished it will probably be 2014/15 .... ~~~

radi6404
May 4th, 2008, 10:37 PM
here is a map so u can figure out how slow this things are gettin' done...

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5945/metrodiamlh4.png

and by the time it (MD 2) gets finished it will probably be 2014/15 .... ~~~

This is indeet rediculous, why didn´t they first start to built the metro from the central station, that´s very dump, I don´t know any city with metro where the metro doesn´t go through the main station.

JuMPer
May 5th, 2008, 07:57 AM
^^ they didnt start with that line due to 2 reasons mainly:
1. construction was already started years ago on this line
2. more people live on this line

VelesHomais
May 5th, 2008, 05:54 PM
I like your above ground tunnels, they look quite futuristic.

radi6404
May 5th, 2008, 07:09 PM
^^ they didnt start with that line due to 2 reasons mainly:
1. construction was already started years ago on this line
2. more people live on this line

If I remember right Sofianski started metro construction, isn´t it? I hope that at least when they finish new parts the metro will start going there, not when the whole line is finished. So that maybe in one or two years the metro can reach central station, it´s not far at all from Vitoshka where there´s a metro station nearby.

Borislav, the above ground tunnels indeet look very modern.

Ivanski
May 5th, 2008, 07:12 PM
Целта на метрото беше първо да поеме главния поток пътници от зле осигурените транспортно крайни квартали. За удобства като връзка с гара и летище е редно да се мисли по-късно. Така ,че в това отношение планът си е ОК.

JloKyM
May 6th, 2008, 10:25 PM
If I remember right Sofianski started metro construction, isn´t it? I hope that at least when they finish new parts the metro will start going there, not when the whole line is finished. So that maybe in one or two years the metro can reach central station, it´s not far at all from Vitoshka where there´s a metro station nearby.

Borislav, the above ground tunnels indeet look very modern.

The metro construction started in the early 80s...

Turnovec
May 8th, 2008, 07:53 PM
Some news about the tender for the 2nd diameter Cherni Vruh - Nadejda

This time the Municipality is ready to accept offers up to 225 mil EUR... but unfotunately this will eat up the money for the extension of the 1st dimater from Mladost to Sofia Airport.

София преглътна 550 млн. лв. за метрото

Столичната община се отказа от илюзиите си за евтино разширение на метрото до кв. "Лозенец". По прогнозна стойност новият участък от "Надежда" до бул. "Черни връх" ще струва около 550 млн. лв. - близо 2 пъти повече от поисканите от ЕС средства по оперативна програма "Транспорт". Това става ясно от условията на втория конкурс за избор на изпълнител за бъдещото разширение. Общинската фирма "Метрополитен", която отговаря за процедурата, отмени първото състезание именно заради прекалено високите оферти. Тогава от общината обещаха да фиксират лимит за строителните дейности, защото разчетите на фирмите са нереалистично високи.
За определянето на лимита е използвана най-ниската подадена оферта от първото състезание, става ясно от сайта на агенцията за обществени поръчки. От общината се надяват конкуренцията да смъкне цената под него.
Не е ясно как ще бъде покрит евентуалният недостиг на средства. За този участък на метрото по оперативната програма "Транспорт" бяха предвидени 145 млн. евро, други 40.2 млн. са разчетени за отсечката от "Младост" до летище София. Столичната община поиска за двата участъка и 100 млн. евро заем от Европейската инвестиционна банка. Той още не е одобрен, но и с него общото финансиране ще стигне 550 млн. лв. Така за участъка от "Младост" до летището финансов ресурс не остава.

Ivanski
May 8th, 2008, 07:57 PM
Turnovec, 2nd MD is much more important than the connection between Mladost and the airport. The airport itself is very well connected with the city by the Brussels blvd. and it's very close to it anyway. So that can wait, in this case it's a good administrative decision I think. :)

Turnovec
May 8th, 2008, 08:00 PM
^^ Ivanski i don't care much which one of teh above they want to build first , just want to see something functional after 4-5 years ... not after 10 or 20 :nuts: if you know what i mean ;)

radi6404
May 8th, 2008, 08:02 PM
I hope someone will help sofia out, they should use money from the statebudget. Can someone tel me what happened with the money for roads? I read somewhere that only 50 min € are frozen, not the whole transport operative program, is that true?

Ivanski
May 10th, 2008, 12:19 PM
The good thing is that both Kliment Ohridski and Yunak are pretty massive, a lot bigger than Serdika for example :)

Turnovec
May 14th, 2008, 11:14 PM
This is the official project for the new station at Serdika of the 2nd Metro diameter. The purple line in the upper right corner is bul. Maria Luiza.


ПОДЗЕМНИ И НАДЗЕМНИ ИНЖЕНЕРНИ СЪОРЪЖЕНИЯ » МЕТРОПОЛИТЕНИ
Партньори: Столична община, „Метрополитен” ЕАД
МЕТРО СОФИЯ – Първи метродиаметър: „Конструктивен и технологичен проект за МС 8 - ІІ” на бул. „Мария Луиза” при бул. „Тодор Александров”
„Конструктивен и технологичен проект за МС 8 - ІІ” на бул. „Мария Луиза” при бул. „Тодор Александров”
Проектът е изготвен през 2007 г.

Технически данни:
Подземна метростанция с дължина 134,90 м.
Дълбочина на станцията: 25,20 м.
Широчина на станцията: 20,10 м.

Обектът ще се изпълнява от 2008 г.

http://www.rikat.bg/gallery/MC8.jpg

svetoslav
May 15th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Beautiful, thanks man.

JloKyM
May 17th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Turnovec, it is forbidden to take pictures in the metro...:devil::devil::bow::bow:

Turnovec
May 17th, 2008, 10:07 PM
^^ I didn't knew that :lol: ... Thank god i was lucky not be seen by anybody:nuts::lol:

JloKyM
May 17th, 2008, 10:16 PM
^^ I didn't knew that :lol: ... Thank god i was lucky not be seen by anybody:nuts::lol:

There is CCTV in operation, so you're caught, sorry dude, You'll be arrested soon, wait for NSBOP..:lol:

Turnovec
May 17th, 2008, 10:20 PM
^^ Oh shit! :badnews:

bgrs
May 17th, 2008, 10:22 PM
Hahahhaha :)

BTW I like those stupid yellow "CCTV in operation" signs they put on the streets, imitating the British ones :) At least they look kinda scary :)

bgplayer19
May 20th, 2008, 06:56 PM
Is that red circle actually the tube for the metro?

JloKyM
May 20th, 2008, 07:05 PM
^^ We think so :)

Turnovec
May 23rd, 2008, 08:02 PM
And your beloved B.B. is stepping on a pile of crap once again ... :lol:

Две години не стигнаха на чешката фирма "Инекон" да модернизира 18 трамваи, а тя - вместо да плаща за забавянето - иска по висока цена.

До момента неустойките, които дължи "Инекон" заради забавянето, са 220 800 евро, съобщи заместник-кметът по транспорт и председател на комитета по управление на проекта Велизар Стоилов. Чешката компания е трябвало да предаде до май 2008 г. седем модернизирани трамваи, но до момента налице е само един, каза Стоилов.

Чешката компания е поискала от общината увеличаването на сумата по договора с 3,3 млн евро. Единствената възможност за промяна на условията на договора е Столичната община да приеме нов краен срок за изпълнение на целият договор, коментира зам.-кметът.

Договорът за модернизация на 18 трамваи е сключен през 2006 година. Сумата за обновяването на мотрисите е 13 276 643 евро.

Ако бъдат дадени допълнителни пари, модернизацията на един трамвай ще излезе към 1 млн. евро.

zzibit
May 23rd, 2008, 10:05 PM
Kato ima ovce koito sa gotovi da plashtat za nishto i neshto estestveno che shte gi dupiat pri vseki udoben moment. nishto novo pod nebeto.

bgplayer19
May 24th, 2008, 09:34 AM
^^ I pod zemqta :ohno:

Ivanski
May 25th, 2008, 12:00 PM
http://www.bgphoto.net/photos/25130/o633473073421895000.JPG


Awesome :)

[s2jc]hyp
May 25th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Sofiya is styling once again. Man with the new 2 lane boulevard and the metro tunnel beside with the new buildings around.... ooh ooh oooooh

Only thing that sucks is that imo metro is metro because it's also a subway so it should be underground. Any attempt to run inbetween the streets for cheaper constr cost ends up in jamming the cars. Hope they shove that thing back down asap

new bulgaria
May 25th, 2008, 02:36 PM
Damn! This is really cool. I just hope that the blue cover will not turn black from dirt by the time the subway opens.

JloKyM
May 25th, 2008, 02:37 PM
10x for the pictures :)

svetoslav
May 25th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Talking about the blue cover... Does anybody know , wtf is it for. I mean i like it, but what is its purpose. I have never seen anything like it before.

ВОДА
May 25th, 2008, 04:41 PM
^^

IMO, it`s for noise reduction and water resistance.

I think that it`s very important for that blue material to be non-flammable.

I won`t be surprised if they have chosen unsuitable one.




:)

ianto
May 25th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Hi, thank you for keeping me, us, updated! :-)
I have been to Sofia two weeks ago for the firts time and was kind of surprised,in both ways. :-) I love the metro...

I would like to know, how many train units are in service and in which colour sheme they are, since I have noticed old units, which are known for me from Prague, as well Rusich units. How many coaches does each unit have?

Thank you good souls for telling me. Blagodarja.

BTW: Does anybody have technical drawing of Rusich train?

new bulgaria
May 26th, 2008, 03:55 AM
Hi, thank you for keeping me, us, updated! :-)
I have been to Sofia two weeks ago for the firts time and was kind of surprised,in both ways. :-) I love the metro...

I would like to know, how many train units are in service and in which colour sheme they are, since I have noticed old units, which are known for me from Prague, as well Rusich units. How many coaches does each unit have?

Thank you good souls for telling me. Blagodarja.

BTW: Does anybody have technical drawing of Rusich train?

Ianto,

Can you tell us in what way Sofia surprised you? I am really curious. You can be totally honest with us.

bgrs
May 27th, 2008, 02:08 PM
The contract for the funding of second metro lineto be signed tomorrow

The total project costs are 185.2 mln EUR, 5 metro stations. The project will be partially funded by the EU.

Оперативното споразумение между Управляващия орган на ОП „Транспорт” и бенефициента „Метрополитен” ще бъде подписано утре, 28 май.

Това ще се случи в конферентната зала на Министерството на транспорта.

Споразумението осигурява юридическата рамка на взаимоотношенията между бенефициента, като получател на безвъзмездна финансова помощ от ЕС и Управляващия орган като институция, която ще управлява и контролира помощта от ОП „Транспорт”.

Документът ще бъде подписан в присъствието на министъра на транспорта Петър Мутафчиев.

Веднага след парафирането на споразумението ще бъде подписан и договора за изпълнение на инженерно-консултантски услуги при проектирането и строителството на втория диаметър на метрото в София.

Разширението се касае за участъка „Пътен възел Надежда – Централна жп гара – пл. Света Неделя – НДК – бул. Черни Връх”.

Изпълнител на проекта е консорциума „Систра - Инфрапроект консулт - Метроконсулт БГ”.

Бюджетът на проекта, заложен в програмата е на стойност 185,19 млн. евро. Проектът е предвиден за съ-финансиране от Европейския фонд за регионално развитие.

ianto
May 27th, 2008, 02:53 PM
Thank you for information...:-)

Well, to start with, I am kind of fan of Balkan states, I have been to Bulgarian Black sea coast two times and now it was time to visit Sofia, even because of my interest in public transport and metro.
And my impressions?

Great Vitosha mountain over the city, a lot of green trees everywhere, a lot of cars, a lot of dust, kind of street chaos in the centre when I was crossing the street near Sofia City Centre...:-) I mean a lot of pedestrians on the street between cars, even the green man was iluminated...:-)
Horrible ride with tram no 12 with something "hairy", smoking man, driving the tram with all that smell going to the salon throug open door. We were like sitting in the coach on roallercoaster, wondering what will happen...:-)... If the second part of the tram dissaper...
In my opinon we saw just few homeless, even no drug addicted, mostly poor ppl were selling flowers, playing some instrument, or with the personal scale waiting for customers.
Amazing atmosphere on the bridge near NDK during the Nescafe promotion, laud music, kind youngsters...the second point, imho Sofia is very young city...many people were able to speak English with us...remember great waitress in one pizzeria on the Patriarh Eftimi Blvd...
I hope, that those ugly, destroyed buildings in the centre will be recontructed, but I know that the proces is slow and money demanding.

Even we had to visit an emergency with eye in Bialo More, kind english speaking young woman doctor...:-) ugly hospital with ugly toilet!

And my target...Metro!
I knew before I will see old russian stock, and rusich type, I rode with rusich. The stations are clean, a way bit dark imho, but great experience, since It is very exotic to be in metro abroad for me. People vere strange at us, or, we were strange, with taking photos in the train...:-)

I am remebering the trip very much, good beer, good food, low prices...and I am definitely visitig Sofia again soon, after the new part of metro opens...

Ad Turnovec:

I found that drawing as well, but it is king of not updated, since there are three windows between pair of door and not two according the picture...anyway, thank you for help..:-)

supermolch
May 28th, 2008, 11:48 AM
where on the map will St.Kl.Ohridski and Yunak be?

bgrs
May 28th, 2008, 11:55 AM
Kl. Ohridski is in front of the Sofia University, near Orlov Most.

Yunak is near the National stadium "Vasil Levski".

JuMPer
May 28th, 2008, 12:56 PM
nvm

nikoy88
May 28th, 2008, 04:02 PM
thx 4 the update m8
cheers

ianto
May 31st, 2008, 07:04 PM
When I was in Sofia I missed the opportunity to buy the book about your metro, which I saw on the official web pages of metropolitan, so I wrote e-mail to them, how can I obtain the book via post. They replied, but unfortunately they sent only half of an email, so I didnt get any info but the beginning...:-( I wrote them again and with no aswer at all...:-(
Is the book worth of it? I´d love to have it...:-) So if anyone can help...
It seems I have to take plane again and buy it on my own...

bgrs
May 31st, 2008, 07:27 PM
There is a book about the metro? I am surprised..

JloKyM
May 31st, 2008, 07:29 PM
There is a book about the metro? I am surprised..

Yes, there is, but I'm not sure is there any english translation.

modern bulgaria
June 5th, 2008, 06:12 AM
^^ The construction a metro must to stop immediately! :(

BG_PATRIOT
June 5th, 2008, 06:29 AM
^^

It is sad what is happening, but Sofia NEEDS the metro...we can't stop the works...what the municipality needs to do is to secure the Military Club

modern bulgaria
June 5th, 2008, 07:11 AM
^^ Yes you are right, but Sofia needs the overground, don't of underground. In Dubai construction overground, Tokyo too have overground. :)
The construction of underground already is unmodern. :cheers:

Cyberflow
June 5th, 2008, 07:51 AM
Is that so? I was unaware of that. So are we building it cause it's modern or are we building it cause we are trying to solve traffic problems, which can only be solved by an underground railway? :bash:
Screw that monument. We have lots of them. It must be in a very poor condition since the vibrations are causing so many problems. That means that the first earthquake over 4 on the richter scale will totally dfemolish it. So in that case that guy should explain why is the building in this condition, not squeal to stop the works!!

modern bulgaria
June 5th, 2008, 06:08 PM
^^
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/The_Palm_Jumeirah_Monorail_Under_Construction_on_16_April_2007.jpg

Ivanski
June 5th, 2008, 06:58 PM
Sometimes I wonder are some people here really that dumb :dunno: it doesn't matter what's the thing in Dubai these days and it's not about fashion rails neither.
Sofia needs metro system which happens to be the most effective public transport system created by now, it reduces the traffic, it's fast ,it doesn't make any pollution can handle a huge number of passengers per year and it doesn't spoil the city looks like a freakin net of concrete and steel structures and bridges.. Actually that kind of structures are usually used just for suburban transport.

Cyberflow
June 5th, 2008, 07:05 PM
If u want that ugly shit I don't. Too much concrete in this city anyway. Modern cities develop underground. That's because modern cities value the space more than anything else.

ВОДА
June 5th, 2008, 08:20 PM
If u want that ugly shit I don't. Too much concrete in this city anyway. Modern cities develop underground. That's because modern cities value the space more than anything else.

It`s not ugly to me.

It`s a monorail which is very modern, good and cheap transport solution.

svetoslav
June 5th, 2008, 09:04 PM
I personally do not mind this kind of monorail structures even in the city itself ( i have seen good examples and i can definitely say that it doesn't spoil the view ) but there are places ( like right in front of the military club ) where one should simply put the traffic under the ground since this is a historical place and should not be changed. Sofia's downtown is not the place for a monorail, but why not anywhere else?

ВОДА
June 5th, 2008, 09:07 PM
^^

I like the Seattle and Toronto monorails. :)

BG_PATRIOT
June 5th, 2008, 09:25 PM
You see I don't mind having both over and under ground trains, just like we have now, underground in the downtown area and over ground in the subs (Interpred/Mladost)...Metro is a necessity for Sofia and it has to be finished ASAP, no more delays, no more bs

radi6404
June 5th, 2008, 11:58 PM
Was ASAP the money also for the Struma motorway? things are progressing very slowly.

supermolch
June 6th, 2008, 10:50 PM
well, dubai only has this overground thing because it is way to complicated to dig deep into the underground (sand, etc). otherwise i guess they would have build an underground system as well

Cyberflow
June 7th, 2008, 12:05 AM
People, understand, all this urbanization, infrastructures etc is overloading the sences. I find it hard to believe that you prefer such concrete abomenation to be visible when it can be deep underground. The perfect city is lowrise residentials, neat calm suburbs, underground transportation, modern city center, lots of green space and sports fascilities. Sofia is not New York, that is way overdeveloped and can't be saved. Sofia is developing now and our actions should bear a great responsibility. Cause if we do things right, in time our city will turn better that other megacities that already have all the upgrades that we are building now.

radi6404
June 7th, 2008, 09:58 PM
well, dubai only has this overground thing because it is way to complicated to dig deep into the underground (sand, etc). otherwise i guess they would have build an underground system as well

It is better when the Ungerdround travels above ground on areas where it is possible, it looks better and is a more fun journey than only to travel underground. The German underground´s travel above ground in mroe rural areas for example, in town however they travel underground mostly, that´s how it should be in sofia.

Alexriga
June 7th, 2008, 11:13 PM
And what's lengths now? Any good maps of Sofia metro?

nikoy88
June 8th, 2008, 02:34 AM
And what's lengths now? Any good maps of Sofia metro?

i did some personal work on this one,.., hope it won't bother u that much

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5945/metrodiamlh4.png

about the map :

Red line - MD-1, 8 stations already in use, another 6 on the way... hopefully in 2009 they'll be fully functional. (however this is bulgaria so even 2010 will be good)

Blue line - MD-2, 2 stations already built and there's some stuff gettin done on a third one near Serdika in the downtown area ... if u ask me about any completion date ... i hardly believe there's someone who knows that (might be wrong though)

Green line - MD-3, it's ain't even sure if it will be built anytime soon, so basically it's still a project if u ask me ...

cheers m8

ianto
June 15th, 2008, 09:11 PM
Are there any photos available of those two carcass station on blue line (NDK)? I didnt find anything...:-(
I am curious about that...
Any news? Progress? Concernig Sofia metro generally...
Thanx...:-)

BTW does metro operator organise the "open doors day" for public in the depot for example? Any link availabe with pics?

JuMPer
June 20th, 2008, 07:51 AM
They are opening the tender offers, today, for line 2

Следобед отварят 8-те оферти за изпълнение на част от втория метрорадиус в София

19 Юни 2008 | 14:11


Осем фирми подадоха оферти за изпълнител на строителството на участъци от втория метрорадиус в София. Днес те ще бъдат официално отворени в сградата на заявителя на обществената поръчка "Метрополитен" ЕАД , съобщиха от Столичната община.

Процедурата е за изпълнител на строежа на метроучастъка от столичния квартал "Надежда" до бул."Черни връх" и е повторна. Наложи се, след като при предишния търг стана ясно, че офертите на изпълнителите надхвърлят почти двойно възможностите за финансиране чрез еврофондове по програма "Транспорт".

Обявена е по решение на Съвета на директорите на "Метрополитен" ЕАД за разширение на метрото в София - участък "Пътен възел Надежда - Централна ж.п. гара - пл. "Света Неделя" - НДК - бул." Черни връх", вкл. конструкции на 3 метростанции, участъкови тунели 4,42 км, архитектурно-строителна и електромеханична част за целия участък с дължина 6,4 км и 7 метростанции.

Fallen
June 20th, 2008, 10:11 AM
The digger comming from the Sofia University must be finally getting out any day now :)

I bet you can't wait for it, heh? :lol:
Say hello to him from me :cheers:

Fallen
June 25th, 2008, 04:07 PM
It would be funny if the guy who would first pop his head out of the tunnel would have a romanian flag and he would ask:

-"Is this the connextion for the M5 lane in Bucharest?"
-"No"
-"Damn, i knew i must have taken a left turn when i reached University Square" ?

:banana::banana:

new bulgaria
June 26th, 2008, 04:10 AM
It would be funny if the guy who would first pop his head out of the tunnel would have a romanian flag and he would ask:

-"Is this the connextion for the M5 lane in Bucharest?"
-"No"
-"Damn, i knew i must have taken a left turn when i reached University Square" ?

:banana::banana:


:lol::lol::lol:

Turnovec
June 26th, 2008, 12:41 PM
Good one Fallen :okay: :lol:

„Метрополитен” ЕАД, с решение номер РД-12-083/16.06.2008г. на Изпълнителния директор, откри процедура за възлагане на обществена поръчка по ЗОП за избор на изпълнител за: „Проект за разширение на Метро София; Първи диаметър; Участък: ж.к. Младост І /МС13/ - бул. Цариградско шосе /МС19/ с подземен паркинг”. Срокът за подаване на оферти е до 12.00 часа на 21.08.2008г.

http://www.aop.bg/case.php?mode=show_doc&doc_id=162241

Явно участъка до летището ще се прави на части ...

just4ivaylo
July 3rd, 2008, 06:14 AM
The metro is being built by Asians? Wow, a lot has changed. I wonder how well it's built. Are they Chinese?

JuMPer
July 4th, 2008, 06:58 PM
^^ Japanese

just4ivaylo
July 4th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Oh, that's a lot better than. For some reason, there's not one Chinese product that's worth its money. :D

avtomat
July 4th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Isn't your PC/Notebook worth the money you spent for it? Cause I'm sure 99% of its parts are made in Asia :P

JuMPer
July 5th, 2008, 01:30 AM
hahah tell me 1 thing that's not "made in China" hahahahaha

just4ivaylo
July 5th, 2008, 02:58 AM
Isn't your PC/Notebook worth the money you spent for it? Cause I'm sure 99% of its parts are made in Asia :P

You know...I'm thinking...haha. Every single part is made in China by American companies.

Core 2 E6600...China
eVGA 7600GT...China
Antec case...China


See the pattern? :nuts:

radi6404
July 5th, 2008, 05:55 PM
wow, you have a core2duo, you surely know that pretty much all Bulgarians use singlecore Senptrons or even Durons. I have an Athlon X2 6000+ with 8600GTs overclocked to 770 MHz core and 1030 MHz Ram and I have 4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 Ram. Too bad that many Bulgarians don´t know what X2, phenon, core2duo or cure2quad are. They are so dumb and say to a readon X600XT qka videokarta, altough there already is HD4870 and nVidia Geforce GTX280 and if you say they are not true they are offended.

just4ivaylo
July 5th, 2008, 09:07 PM
^^Nice computer.

They are not dumb. Just because they don't have expensive computers doesn't mean their dumb, in fact, the opposite.

Even with your computer, I doubt you even use it to its full potential (gaming-wise and stuff).

Computers are bought to fit a consumer's needs. If you need it for reading the news, typing up documents, and checking your email, why the hell would you get a $3,000 computer? You wouldn't. You would have no need for it. That's why SOME of those people still have those computers.

ianto
July 5th, 2008, 09:21 PM
Question for turnovec (or for those who know..):

As you wrote, there are 12 old metro units and 6 modern units...are they bought in advance to meet the need after metro extension? How many units are used for the rush hours for the whole line and what is the minimum gap between trains?
The new pics are from the public opening day?

Blagodarja...doviždane...:-)

JloKyM
July 7th, 2008, 12:56 PM
^^:banana::banana::banana::banana:

svetoslav
July 7th, 2008, 02:10 PM
:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

bgplayer19
July 8th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Hurray but where is that "south tunnel"???

bgrs
July 8th, 2008, 09:22 AM
Next to the north one? :)

bgplayer19
July 8th, 2008, 10:14 AM
Oh :lol: I got it

avtomat
July 8th, 2008, 10:30 AM
This means that only half of the job is done :( Does somebody know how long this tunnel is (from SU to Serdika)?

Turnovec
July 8th, 2008, 10:42 AM
^^ This means that 3 out of the 4 tunnels from Yunak to Serdika are finished ... only one more left.

just4ivaylo
July 8th, 2008, 06:19 PM
Would someone like to draw me a map?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Metro_Sofia.svg

Can you use that to show what is complete and what isn't?

Is that image up to date?

Turnovec
July 8th, 2008, 09:34 PM
^^ Check out this image ... Hopefully next year the metro will run from Obelya to Mladost 1 and there will be 13 or 14 (somebody correct me if i am wrong) stations ... It is marked with blue and light blue on the photo below. What is left from the tunnels part and the rough construction work is only the thin purple line that you can see between "St. Kliment Ohridski" and "Serdika".

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/MD.gif


btw something more from Vladislav from gtsofia.info from today :

Днес избутаха къртицата (или поне една част от нея) извън тунела. Не че е кой знае колко смайваща на вид - просто един цилиндър, но признавам си, че повисях няколко минути на оградата да я разгледам. На снимките се вижда, че е сегментирана и вероятно се разглобява на няколко блока. Вкъщи имам един брой на сп. National Geographic от 1996 г. или някъде там с голяма статия за строежа на тунела под Ламанша. Та там има голяма илюстрация на четири съседни страници (от тези, които се разгъват) на една от къртиците, част от която е "рентгенова снимка". Там ясно се виждат отделните части и е обяснено, че се сглобява на стоителната площадка.

Обърнете внимание, че на снимката отпред се вижда главата на един работник с каска, който прави нещо точно зад работната глава на къртицата.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/metro1-5.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/metro2-5.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/metro3-5.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/naster1/metro4-4.jpg

avtomat
July 8th, 2008, 10:24 PM
WoW this thing looks impressive. Is this the future station where the digger comes out and makes a turn (I mean this big hole)? And Turnovec, can you indicate on the map where the metro goes aboveground? Thanks :)

just4ivaylo
July 8th, 2008, 10:35 PM
It's gonna go above the ground? What's the point of that? Are there historical buildings under where the stations are supposed to be?

avtomat
July 8th, 2008, 10:52 PM
Yeah, this is the place. Can't relly locate it on the map though.
EDIT: Maybe the "Studentska" station?

http://www.bgphoto.net/photos/25130/o633473072253926250.JPG

just4ivaylo
July 8th, 2008, 11:04 PM
Wow. What an eyesore. It's so ugly. Is it just me, or is the concrete crumbling on the side of the bridge under the metal railing?

Turnovec
July 9th, 2008, 10:15 AM
The candidates and their offers for the construction of MD 2 "Nadezda"-"Cherni Vruh" were announced today.

“Трейс” с най-ниска цена за метрото


Компанията "Трейс Груп" вероятно ще строи столичното метро. Обединението "Метротрейс" е предложило да изгради пътя на подземната железница от "Патриарх Евтимий" до бул. "Черни връх" срещу 141,960 млн. лв. Това е най-ниската цена според отворените вчера оферти. Следваща в списъка е фирма "Танил" ООД, която е поискала 147,775 млн. лв. за трасето. Пътно-строителният холдинг "Трейс Груп" е един от кандидатите за доизграждането на магистрала "Тракия". Борсовата капитализация на компанията в края на миналата година възлизаше на 617 млн. лв. Другият лот от столичното метро вероятно ще бъде дело на турската компания "Догуш". Съседската фирма е предложила оферта от 329,130 млн. лв. за метрото от надлез "Надежда" до "Патриарх Евтимий". Втора в класацията за лота остава испанската OHL с офертна цена от 575,575 млн. лв. "Догуш" също е сред кандидатите за магистрала "Тракия". В консорциум с "Еко" тя построи отсечката Карнобат-Бургас от "Тракия". Участва и в търга за магистрала "Люлин", за обекти по ФАР и електрификация на жп линията Пловдив-Свиленград. Кандидатира се и за строителството на тунела под Босфора.
Наталия Малчева

radi6404
July 9th, 2008, 12:44 PM
Wow. What an eyesore. It's so ugly. Is it just me, or is the concrete crumbling on the side of the bridge under the metal railing?

No, it looks very good, it looks like a tunnel for the Doom 3 monorail. For the passengers it would be better to not have this because they could enjoy views better but for the people outside, tourists etc this will make a positive impression, since it looks like from another time. If they get new trains than the monorail can start. And this time it is Boiko Borissov.

just4ivaylo
July 9th, 2008, 08:18 PM
I don't think what Sofia needs is futuristic looking buildings and structures.

insertnickhere
July 9th, 2008, 09:15 PM
Wow. What an eyesore. It's so ugly. Is it just me, or is the concrete crumbling on the side of the bridge under the metal railing?

nope, just the utter lack of landscaping

cassini83
July 10th, 2008, 01:34 AM
^^I absolutely agree. For some reason the city and the government spend billions on infrastructure projects and "shiny guardrails" but then don't seem to find it necessary to spend $100 on a lawn mower. The whole of Sofia is full of overgrown vegetation and the landscaping (or lack thereof) in my opinion is the biggest eyesore people have to cope with in their daily lives.

just4ivaylo
July 10th, 2008, 05:57 AM
^^Yes I agree. There definitely needs to be some landscaping.

radi6404
July 10th, 2008, 03:21 PM
that is apsolutely true, it would look so much better with some landscaping? Btw, I asked a friend not Bulgarian what he thinks of it, he said it looks nice and futuristic.

ianto
July 10th, 2008, 06:52 PM
I also think it looks fine...I am looking 4ward to visit Sofia again to see the improvement and to buy that book about metro...:-)

Here in Prague, we have also overground metro section on Line B:

http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/stanice/linka_b/HU/P3010747.JPG
http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/stanice/linka_b/CM/CMtubus020404.JPG

And on line C as well, but not in the tubus like in the previous pix, but in the highway bridge above walley:

http://www.metroweb.cz/metro/stanice/linka_c/VY/P3180979.JPG

just4ivaylo
July 10th, 2008, 07:22 PM
I like the designs of the metro in Prague better. :D

svetoslav
July 10th, 2008, 07:37 PM
Damn, I like the tubes man. Very very nice. I like especially the second one more than the one in Sofia.

ianto
July 10th, 2008, 08:00 PM
Well you never appreciate things which are around your corner...:-) Thats why Sofia Metro is more interesting for me than the Prague one, ´cause I am just familiar with it and it is kind of everyday rutine...

just4ivaylo
July 10th, 2008, 10:28 PM
^^I agree with both of you. :)

ianto
July 19th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Yesterday I saw the whole city from the air...lovely jungle of blocks of flats, golden roofs of cathedral and light blue thread of overground metro section...I even didnt know, correct me if I am wrong, the blue covering has two section, one simple and the second one with the station?

Pity Sofia did not modernize the old, imo ugly units from Russia in the same way like Prague or Kiev (althoug only one sample).

http://forum.metropoliten.kiev.ua/album_pic.php?pic_id=911

ВОДА
July 19th, 2008, 01:12 PM
^^

Everything above is correct! :okay:

bulgrai
July 21st, 2008, 05:19 PM
Yesterday I saw the whole city from the air...lovely jungle of blocks of flats, golden roofs of cathedral and light blue thread of overground metro section...I even didnt know, correct me if I am wrong, the blue covering has two section, one simple and the second one with the station?

Pity Sofia did not modernize the old, imo ugly units from Russia in the same way like Prague or Kiev (althoug only one sample).

http://forum.metropoliten.kiev.ua/album_pic.php?pic_id=911


Ianto you're right about the blocks of flats, but the centre of Sofia is not much different that any other Western European centre, especially from above with all those inner courtyards and red rooftops.

ianto
July 21st, 2008, 11:13 PM
Ad bulgrai: yep, I know, I have been to Sofia and I really like the city...but all in all, just from the air, the commies blocks are everywhere, the very centre is way different...:-)

Karapcha
July 22nd, 2008, 08:30 AM
Кметът на София Бойко Борисов и министрите Меглена Плугчиева, Пламен Орешарски и Петър Мутафчиев ще дадат днес в 12.00 ч. пресконференция, на която ще обявят резултатите от откритата процедура за избор на изпълнител на проекта за разширение на метрото.

това съобщи пресцентърът на Столична община. Участътък обхваща втори метродиаметър: Пътен възел Надежда–Централна жп гара–пл. "Света Неделя"–бул."Черни връх”. Пресконференцията ще се състои в Столична община.Участъкът е включен в Оперативна програма „Транспорт” на присъединителните фондове. Общата дължина на трасето е 6.4 км със седем метростанции. Срокът на строителство на участъка, съгласно изискванията на Столична община е 45 месеца от датата на подписване на договора. За по- голяма прозрачност на процедурата в комисията за оценка са включени представители на Министерството на транспорта, Министерството на финансите, Областната управа, Столична община и „Метрополитен „ЕАД. Към комисията са привлечени технически експерти и експерт от Съюза на одиторите от Сметната палата. Оферти са подадени от 8 фирми и обединения. На пресконференцията ще се обяви класирането и цените от офертите на отделните участници./БГНЕС

Vicman7
July 22nd, 2008, 01:39 PM
Турската фирма „Доуш Иншаат ве Тиджарет“ ще строи втория диаметър на метрото в София.
Това заяви кметът на София Бойко Борисов.
Вторият диаметър включва участъка "Пътен възел „Надежда-Централна ж.п. гара - площад "Света Неделя" - бул. Черни връх“. Фирмата е предложила цена от близо 330 милиона лева.
По втората обособена позиция е спечелило обединение „Метротрейд“ с цена на офертата 142 милиона лева.
Срокът на строителството на целия участък (на двете позиции) е 45 месеца от влизането в сила на договорите за строителство, т.е., участъкът ще бъде завършен през лятото на 2012 г.
Кметът Бойко Борисов обясни, че първият конкурс за строителство на метро диаметъра е анулиран заради прекалено високите цени, предложени от фирмите кандидатки. След повторното обявяване на процедурата цената е намалена с близо 86 милиона лева.
Градоначалникът заяви, че от днес тече десетдневен срок за обжалване на резултатите от конкурса. Той изрази надежда, че такова няма да има, за да може строежът на втория метро диаметър да започне още през септември.
В същото време главният архитект на София Петър Диков обяви, че до края на годината предстои да се обявят търгове за изпълнители на съоръжения и естакади на много от конфликтните кръстовища в столицата. Той обясни и, че вече са обявени търгове за избор на изпълнител за изграждане на велосипедни алеи на булевардите „Евлоги Георгиев“ и „Цар Борис ІІІ“.

Източник: dir.bg

Turnovec
July 22nd, 2008, 01:52 PM
^^

Турската фирма "Доуш иншаат ве тиджарет" АД и обединение "Метротрейс" ще са изпълнители на строителството на втория метродиаметър на софийското метро, съобщи на пресконференция столичният кмет Бойко Борисов.

Класирането на фирмите е извършено на база най-ниска цена за строителство, след втория търг за строителството на втория метродиаметър.

"Доуш иншаат ве тиджарет" АД ще строи участъка от надлез "Надежда" до бул. "Патриарх Евтимий" с дължина 3,8 км и четири метростанции. Обявената от тях сума за строителството е 329 133 186 лв.

Обединение "Метротрейс" ще строи участъка от бул. "Патриарх Евтимий" до бул. "Черни връх" с дължина 2,6 км и три метростанции. Цената, която са обявили от обединението за строителството научастъка е 141 960 030 лв.

Според Борисов строителството на метрото може да започне още през септември, а срокът за изпълнението на проекта е 45 месеца.

Столичният кмет отбеляза, че благодарение на втория търг общината е постигнала намаляване на първоначално обявената цена с 85 930 000 лв. При първия търг обявената начална цена за двата участъка беше 556 024 000 лв.

Кметът обясни, че от днес тече десетдневен срок за обжалване на резултатите от конкурса, като изрази надежда, че такова няма да има.

ВОДА
July 22nd, 2008, 01:57 PM
^^

Dryn, dryn. Slushal sym gi tezi. :D

2 ot tezi 7 metrostancii sa postroeni oshte predi poveche ot 30-35 godini.

Upravnicite i jurnalqta da zablujdavat selqcite, no ne i nas. :lol:

Fallen
July 22nd, 2008, 07:32 PM
HURRAY HURRAY! :banana::banana::carrot::pepper::tyty::banana2::cheer:

The North Tunnel from Sofia University to Serdika is finished! The digger came out yesterday ! :)


Damn, i missed the moment... did the guy running the digging machine speak romanian? :banana:

Congrats, btw:cheers:

Thunderer
July 24th, 2008, 10:30 AM
Онзи ден ББ е казал, че метрото до Младост ще е готово най-късно до септмеври 2009, което за мен всъщност означава, че едва ли ще стане готово по-рано.

Ivanski
July 24th, 2008, 10:32 AM
Идеално като трябваше вече да се возим на него до там :D

Turnovec
July 31st, 2008, 09:54 PM
Затваря част от бул. ”Мария Луиза” за месец
31 юли 2008

Част от пътното платно на бул. "Княгиня Мария Луиза" в София ще бъде затворено от 2 до 31 август заради строителството на метрото, съобщиха от Столичната община.
Движението на превозни средства ще се извършва по трамвайното платно на булеварда в посока бул. "Сливница". На пътното платно на бул. "Кн. Мария Луиза" - на кръстовището с бул. "Тодор Александров" и бул. "Дондуков", ще бъде монтиран кулокран, посочват от общината.

:|

JloKyM
August 1st, 2008, 11:10 AM
This is not Serdika station. This is the station near the University of Sofia

bgrs
August 1st, 2008, 11:13 AM
My mistake, I meant Sofiiski Universitet one.

bgrs
August 5th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Are you kidding me :)

ВОДА
August 6th, 2008, 08:44 AM
^^ Exactly the same! :okay:

just4ivaylo
August 6th, 2008, 10:36 AM
That's great. It might be the first time the government has hired a company to do something right the first time. :)

Some of the projects of Taisei Corporation:

Yokohama Bay Bridge

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa69/moparcanuck07/db4e6754.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z189/m_dellota/japan%20jan%206-706%20part%202/68ab.jpg


Prudential Tower

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/canyr12/Boston/DSCF0359.jpg
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k230/roelsterken/The%20Boston%20Files/PrudentialTower.jpg

I especially like the bridge. I hope they're doing a good job on the metro. :)

renovatio
August 6th, 2008, 12:56 PM
They're behind a year and half. The metro line was supposed to be already opened.

insertnickhere
August 6th, 2008, 01:12 PM
That's great. It might be the first time the government has hired a company to do something right the first time. :)


you want to pay for it? because right now you know how most projects are done.. financing is secured and arranged stage by stage. thats why the construction pace and quality reflects that.

if there is a hiccup somewhere in the line, it all stalls.

[s2jc]hyp
August 6th, 2008, 02:12 PM
sofia's subway is sponsored by all municipalitiec. isn;t that strange?

Thunderer
August 17th, 2008, 12:01 PM
Îíçè äåí ãëåäàõ èíòåðâþ ñ Âåëèçàð Ñòîèëîâ. Êàçà, ÷å ó÷àñòúêúò äî Ìëàäîñò ùÿë äà áúäå ïóñíàò â åêñïëîàòàöèÿ çà ïúòíèöè ïðåç àïðèë-ìàé. Ñúùî òàêà êàçà, ÷å ñå íàäÿâà äîãîâîðúò çà âòîðèÿ ìåòðîäèàìåòúð äà áúäå ïîäïèñàí ïðåç ñåïòåìâðè, êîåòî òðÿáâà äà îçíà÷àâà, ÷å íèêîé íå å îáæàëâàë ðåçóëòàòèòå îò êîíêóðñà, à ñòðîèòåëñòâîòî äà çàïî÷íå ïðåç êúñíàòà åñåí, êîåòî ñïîðåä ìåí ïðåâåäåíî íà áúëãàðñêè îçíà÷àâà, ÷å åäâà ëè ùå çàïî÷íàò äî êðàÿ íà òàçè ãîäèíà... :lol:

just4ivaylo
August 18th, 2008, 06:52 AM
Îíçè äåí ãëåäàõ èíòåðâþ ñ Âåëèçàð Ñòîèëîâ. Êàçà, ÷å ó÷àñòúêúò äî Ìëàäîñò ùÿë äà áúäå ïóñíàò â åêñïëîàòàöèÿ çà ïúòíèöè ïðåç àïðèë-ìàé. Ñúùî òàêà êàçà, ÷å ñå íàäÿâà äîãîâîðúò çà âòîðèÿ ìåòðîäèàìåòúð äà áúäå ïîäïèñàí ïðåç ñåïòåìâðè, êîåòî òðÿáâà äà îçíà÷àâà, ÷å íèêîé íå å îáæàëâàë ðåçóëòàòèòå îò êîíêóðñà, à ñòðîèòåëñòâîòî äà çàïî÷íå ïðåç êúñíàòà åñåí, êîåòî ñïîðåä ìåí ïðåâåäåíî íà áúëãàðñêè îçíà÷àâà, ÷å åäâà ëè ùå çàïî÷íàò äî êðàÿ íà òàçè ãîäèíà... :lol:


WTF?

Gag Halfrunt
August 18th, 2008, 07:37 PM
WTF?
It's supposed to be Cyrillic. Try changing your browser's encoding to Cyrillic (Windows-1251).

JloKyM
August 18th, 2008, 07:45 PM
WTF?

Онзи ден гледах интервю с Велизар Стоилов. Каза, че участъкът до Младост щял да бъде пуснат в експлоатация за пътници през април-май. Също така каза, че се надява договорът за втория метродиаметър да бъде подписан през септември, което трябва да означава, че никой не е обжалвал резултатите от конкурса, а строителството да започне през късната есен, което според мен преведено на български означава, че едва ли ще започнат до края на тази година...

This is the bulgarian translation :D

just4ivaylo
August 19th, 2008, 12:01 AM
I can read everyone else's comments that were posted in Cyrillic, but not his. That's weird...

nilix
August 19th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Това е така,защото го е написал като Encoding-a му е бил кирилица,а по принцип на нас ни е на автоматично или Unicode.За да го види всеки трябва да си смени Encoding-a като натисне на браузъра си View>Encoding>Cyrillic.
За да няма повече такива обърквания,всички трябва да си оправят енкодинга да автоматичен/unicode.
Демек,натискате в браузъра си от лентата горе в ляво View>Encoding>Unicode и предлагам това да стане правило за българската секция.
Мамка му,мн тъпо го обясних,иначе е мн лесно.

just4ivaylo
August 19th, 2008, 02:42 AM
Mersi. V Firefox, to e View>Character Encoding>Unicode

Moia browser beshe na Western.

AnonymvsBeaver
August 20th, 2008, 04:57 PM
През пролетта на 2009 г. Столична община вероятно ще пусне метрото от ул. "Граф Игнатиев" до „Младост”.



Това се разбра вчера от изявление на зам.- кмета на столицата Велизар Стоилов.

Японската корпорация "Тайсей" е подписала вече графика. Дейностите по изграждането на отсечката от ст. "Юнак" до Булбанк са се забавили, поради което от общината са решили да пуснат метрото до „Младост”, е допълнил Стоилов, цитиран от в.”24 часа”.

Очакванията са това подземно трасе да облекчи значително движението по бул. "Цариградско шосе", по което пътуват живеещите и работещите в "Младост". Метрото от центъра до до метростанция №13 в кв. „Младост 1” ще разтовари тежкия трафик и по бул. "Александър Малинов".

5 км е дължината на отсечката от центъра до Младост, която ще бъде с 5 станции.

Според разчетите на общината чак в края на 2009 г. от „Тайсей” ще са готови с тунелите и релсите в отсечката от "Граф Игнатиев" до Булбанк.

Под земята се работи по специална технология с машина, която копае като къртица. Тръбата за движение в посока "Шератон" е построена, но другата тръба в обратната посока е стигнала едва до Паметника на Съветската армия и предстои да се довърши участъкът до бул. "Драган Цанков".

Тунелът до "Младост" е готов отдавна и общината чакаше японците да довършат техния участък, за да може метрото да свърже „Люлин” и „Младост”

Ne e losha idejata, makar che izglezhda malko 'predizborno' da ne 'pohabjat' postrienoto.. :lol:

bgrs
August 20th, 2008, 05:04 PM
BTW today I read in a newspaper that they are going to build 2 railway stations next to the metro stations - the first one will be near Vardar station and trains from Pernik/Radomir direction will stop there. It's going to become a fact till the end of the year (I don't trust that though). The other one will be at Obelya station where trains from Dragoman and Bankya will stop. They claim trains on both lines will depart/arrive at regular intervals (40 minutes). According to the municipality, more than 5000 people from Pernik direction travel each day to Sofia. Combined train/metro tickets are considered.

Thunderer
August 20th, 2008, 08:50 PM
Dnes gledah pregled na pechata po edin sutreshen blok i si vzeh "24 chasa" specialno zaradi tazi statiq. :) Vsushtnost tova e vodeshtata novina na purva stranica, a posle na str. 2 i 3 e pomesten materialut za uchastukut do Mladost i izgrajdaneto na gari v blizost do metrostanciite. Ami... puskaneto na gotoviq uchastuk e nai-pravilniqt variant. Ne znam dali shte e s predizborna cel ili e prosto suvpadenie, no opredelno gotoviqt uchastuk trqbva da se pusne, zashtoto qponcite moje bi chakat sledvashtoto hilqdoletie, za da se razmurdat malko. I POVECHE NIKAKVI QPONSKI STROITELNI FIRMI V BULGARIQ !!! :bash: :gunz:

bgrs
August 20th, 2008, 09:23 PM
Thunderer, не съм съгласен че са виновни японците. Една колежка на работа разправяше какво казал приятелят й който работи за подизпълнител на Тайсей...оказва се че на метростанцията на университета както копали се оказало че има подземна вода!?!? Това не било описано никъде и тъпите геолози, които преди това се занимавали да картографират подземните реки и т.н. въобще не знаели нищо. Минали месеци в изпомпване и укрепване, това в крайна сметка била една от най-главните причини за забавянето. Някак си ми е смешно, дано като почна да ползвам метрото да не се случи да се срине станцията под напора на някаква гадна кална маса :(

Thunderer
August 21st, 2008, 12:52 PM
Õàõ, òîâà îïðàâäàíèå íå âàæè. Åäâà ëè èìà ñòðîèòåë, êîéòî äà íå çíàå, ÷å å ìàëêî âåðîÿòíî äà íå ïîïàäíåø íà ïîäçåìíè âîäè, êúäåòî è äà çàïî÷íåø äà êîïàåø â öåíòúðà íà Ñîôèÿ ! Òî íà âñåêè ñðåäíîèíòåëèãåíòåí ÷îâåê òðÿáâà äà å èçâåñòíî, ÷å öåíòúðà íà Ñîôèÿ èçîáèëñòâà îò ïîäçåìíè âîäè è òî íà ñðàâíèòåíî íèñêà äúëáî÷èíà. È ùå ìè îáÿñíèø ëè êàê íÿêàêâè ñè ïîäçåìíè âîäè ùå çàáàâÿò ñòðîèòåëñòâîòî ñ öåëè 2 ãîäèíè ?! À äàæå èçãëåæäà, ÷å ùå å ïîâå÷å îò 2 ãîäèíè... Òàêúâ ïðîáëåì ìîæå äà áúäå îòñòðàíåí çà ìíîãî êðàòúê ïåðèîä îò âðåìå.

http://media.snimka.bg/0410/007075074-big.jpg
:gunz: :gunz: :gunz:

nilix
August 21st, 2008, 01:42 PM
натискате в браузъра си от лентата горе в ляво View>Encoding>Unicode (автоматично) и предлагам това да стане правило за българската секция.


Thunderer,направи ето това защото излизат ейроглифи вместо нормални кирилски букви.

just4ivaylo
August 21st, 2008, 07:50 PM
^^Yes, I wanted to read what he has against Taisei, but I can't do that right now. :P

renovatio
August 21st, 2008, 08:17 PM
От къде на къде ще знаят японците за подземните води в София? Отиват си хората там, правят изследвания по отсечката им, и им казват че няма подземни води. Сигурно никой не е споменал че в София е много вероятно да намериш подземни води.

Вместо да се караме на японците който губят пари защото са закъсняли, хайде да се сетиме колко дълго време въобще тази идея да се осъществи от кметството и правителството. Просто ни трябва по бързо, умерено, честно, и надежно управление от политиците и главните архитекти.

:drunk:

COD
August 22nd, 2008, 06:51 PM
Убеден съм че ако не Тайсей, а някоя друга компания правеше метрото, то най-вероятно можеше да се очаква пуска на отсечката около 2030 г.

Истината е че един от най-големите проблеми за Тайсей са подизпълнителите. Не коментирам човешките ресурси, които също оказват голямо влиание, а визирам многото "маймуни на клона" (клона е всъщност целия проект, а маймуните са всички фирми, с които Тайсей е ЗАДЪЛЖЕН да работи и да изхранва).
Драги мои приятели, в цяла България проектите се печелят под условие - даваме ти проекта, ти наемаш за подизпълнители така наречените "батко и братко" (примерно), купуваш материалите от чичо и леля и т.н.
Общо взето всички гледат да смучат максимално и за да остане все пак нещо и за Тайсей те намаляват разходите....което надявам се няма да доведе до катастрофа един ден...:ohno:

Tego
August 23rd, 2008, 05:04 PM
Убеден съм че ако не Тайсей, а някоя друга компания правеше метрото, то най-вероятно можеше да се очаква пуска на отсечката около 2030 г.

Истината е че един от най-големите проблеми за Тайсей са подизпълнителите. Не коментирам човешките ресурси, които също оказват голямо влиание, а визирам многото "маймуни на клона" (клона е всъщност целия проект, а маймуните са всички фирми, с които Тайсей е ЗАДЪЛЖЕН да работи и да изхранва).
Драги мои приятели, в цяла България проектите се печелят под условие - даваме ти проекта, ти наемаш за подизпълнители така наречените "батко и братко" (примерно), купуваш материалите от чичо и леля и т.н.
Общо взето всички гледат да смучат максимално и за да остане все пак нещо и за Тайсей те намаляват разходите....което надявам се няма да доведе до катастрофа един ден...:ohno:

I'd say it's all of the above + incompetent Japanese leadership. Basically, a lot of expenses have been made and people weren't clever enough to keep good track of them. Just recently, when the project entered its final stage, a light bulb flashed on top of the managers' heads and they realized that they need to know excactly how much money was spent for every subcontractor in order to terminate the contracts.

In any case, we're gonna be riding the subway no sooner than 2010, after everything built has been tested. The Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM)'s already digging the last tunnel and people say it's gonna be ready by the fall of next year. That machine is another reason for the delay. Heck! It's older than me for Christ's sake...and it's been almost 6 years since I stopped being a teenager. That machine never reached the speed it was supposed to. So draw your conclusions...

I'm really impatient to see how the project of the 2nd line's gonna be managed (Nadezha Underpass - Cherni Vruh Blvd.). The truth is that the construction companies winning the international tenders are different, but the ones actually executing the works are always the same.

Fallen
August 24th, 2008, 09:27 PM
Waaaa, looks nice.

I want at least 2-3 stations to look like this in Bucharest :D
Congrats

radi6404
August 24th, 2008, 11:15 PM
Waaaa, looks nice.

I want at least 2-3 stations to look like this in Bucharest :D
Congrats

The stations are nice, but the trains are awful, you have to sit in them watching to the other side of the train, not watching in driving or oposite driving direction, I am sure it´s extremly unconfortable and you get sick sitting on seaths which lok to the other window and not driver or opposite driver direction.

bgrs
August 24th, 2008, 11:30 PM
Що за глупости?

AnonymvsBeaver
August 25th, 2008, 12:09 AM
The stations are nice, but the trains are awful, you have to sit in them watching to the other side of the train, not watching in driving or oposite driving direction, I am sure it´s extremly unconfortable and you get sick sitting on seaths which lok to the other window and not driver or opposite driver direction.

BS! The trains are fine. If you go to NYC or Washington DC, the trains are NOT better and the stations in NYC are much worse (in DC they're pretty cool, though.) But the trains in Bulgaria are just as good as in the US.

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 01:23 AM
It´s not US here, it´s europe, and any interested person knows that USA doesn´t have avery high standart, europe has a much higher standart in most things than US.

renovatio
August 25th, 2008, 02:31 AM
That's probably because the US does things first, and then the technology gets older.

blago84
August 25th, 2008, 04:15 AM
The trains are made for more standing than sitting passengers. That's the reason all their seats to be oriented like this. The large cpacity of the metrotrains is more important than the comfort of the passengers, because the metro is supposed to carry a large number of passengers and the trips are normally short (less than 30 min). So it is normal the metrotrains to be less comfortable and with less seats than the normal passenger trains.

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 08:28 AM
No, if the trains would be decent, new european trains, not communistic trains from the 80s I am sure they would have normal seats. Why do you guys defent those bad trains, it´s old metro standart. It can´t be that the stations are that great but the trains are that shitty. What contrast is that? They must buy new trains, they will surely have normal seats.

insertnickhere
August 25th, 2008, 08:55 AM
would you like sheepskin on aligator leather on your seat? or perhaps some champagne and caviar to get you to the next stop? perhaps in 5003.

in 2008, a more suitable question would be a razor, or a sharpie (of course the permanent one) so you can leave your mark behind.......

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 09:24 AM
they are too unconfortable, and as it seems they don´t even have aircondition.

Ivanski
August 25th, 2008, 09:37 AM
Their job is to transport you fast and safe in the city. If you want comfortable seats and AC - just keep cruisin' with your 15 yearol Benz around Struma.

Vicman7
August 25th, 2008, 09:55 AM
No, if the trains would be decent, new european trains, not communistic trains from the 80s I am sure they would have normal seats.

Have you seen the new Bomardier trains runing in Bucharest subway system? They have such seat orientation and IMO don't have better look.

Turnovec
August 25th, 2008, 10:02 AM
Their job is to transport you fast and safe in the city. If you want comfortable seats and AC - just keep cruisin' with your 15 yearol Benz around Struma.

^^ And keep staying in the AC room of the Asylum where the god damn medical attendants, unfortunately allow him SO MUCH time on the pc... :bash:

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 10:25 AM
turnovec, you know that I know where the report button is.

AnonymvsBeaver
August 25th, 2008, 10:33 AM
they are too unconfortable, and as it seems they don´t even have aircondition.

You clearly have not been on the Sofia subway. It's very cool inside the trains even now, when its 30 C outside.

As for the US, this is the most developed large country in the world, so if something here's better than the states, that's more than enough for me.

As for the trains, the oldest ones are made in 1991; the newest ones are made last year.

Cosmin
August 25th, 2008, 10:35 AM
The stations are nice, but the trains are awful, you have to sit in them watching to the other side of the train, not watching in driving or oposite driving direction, I am sure it´s extremly unconfortable and you get sick sitting on seaths which lok to the other window and not driver or opposite driver direction.
We only have this type of seat arrangement in Bucharest, both on the old IVAs and on the new Bombardiers, so I'm used to it. I don't find it weird...:dunno:

I like both arrangements, like in Bucharest and Sofia or like in Paris (par example).
It´s not US here, it´s europe, and any interested person knows that USA doesn´t have avery high standart, europe has a much higher standart in most things than US.
Yet I bet you'd love a non-stop metro system, like the New York City Subway. Running 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. When does Sofia metro closes? In Bucharest it closes at 0:00, with the exception of Fridays and Saturdays, when it closes at 1:00

RawLee
August 25th, 2008, 11:19 AM
The stations are nice, but the trains are awful, you have to sit in them watching to the other side of the train, not watching in driving or oposite driving direction, I am sure it´s extremly unconfortable and you get sick sitting on seaths which lok to the other window and not driver or opposite driver direction.

Alstom:
http://tranzit.hu/images/upload/archive_images/bg_3367.jpg

Bombardier:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Shenzhen_metro-bombardier_train_car.jpg

Siemens:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1218/1133385797_849c404bfb.jpg?v=0

In this way,at least you can stare out the window...

AnonymvsBeaver
August 25th, 2008, 11:34 AM
This is the D.C. metro:
http://i.pbase.com/o4/60/19960/1/60655743.Resized_DSC07790.jpg
http://www.visitingdc.com/images/washington-dc-metro-subway.jpg
I really like the stations, but the train aren't better than the ones in Sofia.

Turnovec
August 25th, 2008, 11:35 AM
^^
^^
^^

I wonder how come the whole euroscrapers forum is here just to prove how wrong the famous loco is ?!? :?

Ivanski
August 25th, 2008, 11:54 AM
I actually like the ride in the new russian trains, I think the ventilation doesn't work good sometimes, but in generally they're OK. And they certainly don't look worse than many trains in Europe. The trains are actually very cosy , I like em especially the ones with the orange scheme - they look fresh (unlike some orange buildings around the city).
So they're nice but if the Russians would have put some better face on them they could look great, but as we know industrial design isn't their strongest side. At least when it comes to commercial products :)

Fallen
August 25th, 2008, 12:01 PM
The stations are nice, but the trains are awful, you have to sit in them watching to the other side of the train, not watching in driving or oposite driving direction, I am sure it´s extremly unconfortable and you get sick sitting on seaths which lok to the other window and not driver or opposite driver direction.

Our trains are in the same style, and i prefere them to be like this.
It allows for more space. And since the frequency of the trains is not very good, space is very much needed, especially during rush hours. I took the Paris metro last autumn, and i didn't like the way the seats were placed. It was hard to get to the door if you stood on a seat in the middle of the wagon, near the window. You had to bother a lot of people till you could get to the door...

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 12:24 PM
^^
^^
^^

I wonder how come the whole euroscrapers forum is here just to prove how wrong the famous loco is ?!? :?

you sent thema pm probably? There are also many trains i can show which have the good seat arrangment and it is definatly better for the ones who are sitting, in Germany they use only the good arrangment and it works, if there are too many, they use more wagons. Old people with weaker circuation would more porbably get sick in a metro with the shit arrangment than in the trains with a good arrangment.

JuMPer
August 25th, 2008, 01:16 PM
...:fart::puke:

kudos
August 25th, 2008, 04:12 PM
radi not all the trains in germany are like this, the new ones in munich (well from like 3 years ago) are with different arrangement just like in sofia :)

P.S. pls stop writing bs abt Blagoevgrad ;)

radi6404
August 25th, 2008, 04:25 PM
why should I stop writting shit about Blagoevgrad, the town is very bad, the infrastructure is in poor condition and noone cares about it so why not write about it?

kudos
August 26th, 2008, 03:02 PM
cause it's not that bad as u try to show it, travel a bit around the country and u might realize it. everybody knows that overall infrastructure is very very bad in BG, but u make it sound as if it is the worst in Blagoevgrad, which is just not the case..

Turnovec
August 26th, 2008, 04:44 PM
From today.

Подписват договорите по Проекта за разширение на софийското метро


София. Договори по Проекта за разширение на софийското метро ще бъдат подписани утре, съобщиха от пресцентъра на Столична община. Договорите ще бъдат между двете спечелили конкурса по Проект за разширение на софийското метро втори метродиаметър „Пътен възел Надежда - Централна ж.п.гара - пл. „Св.Неделя” - бул. „Черни връх” фирми и „Метрополитен” ЕАД. На церемонията, която ще се проведе от 11 часа, ще присъстват министърът на транспорта Петър Мутафчиев и столичният кмет Бойко Борисов.
В Оперативна програма „Транспорт” е включен Проектът за разширение на метрото в София – втори метродиаметър „Пътен възел Надежда – Централна ж.п.гара – пл. „Св.Неделя” – НДК – бул. „Черни връх”. От тази програма са осигурени 185,190 млн.евро, като до пълната стойност на участъка съфинансирането е местно. В процедурата за избор на изпълнители, според технологията на строителство, трасето е разделено на: Обособена позиция I – „Пътен възел Надежда – Централна ж.п.гара –пл.Св.Неделя – бул. Патриарх Евтимий” с дължина 3,8 км и 4 метростанции; Обособена позиция II – „Бул. Патриарх Евтимий – НДК – бул. Черни връх” с дължина 2,6 км и 3 метростанции в т.ч. завършване на изградените преди около 25 г. конструкции на участъка в района на НДК.
Поради високите цени на допуснатите кандидати (400млн.лв. за позиция 1 и 155 млн.лв. за позиция 2), обявеният през 2007 г. търг за избор на изпълнител се прекрати по чл.30, ал.1, т. 3 от ЗОП и през април 2008 г. на общо основание се обяви нова открита процедура. Процедурите се обявиха публично във вестника на Европейската Комисия, Държавен вестник, АОП, сайтовете на Министерството на транспорта, СО и Метрополитен ЕАД, и в медиите.
От 19.06.08 до 21.07.08 г., представителна комисия с членове от Министерството на финансите, Министерството на транспорта, Областната управа, Столична община и Метрополитен ЕАД, назначена със Заповед РД-12-087/19.06.08, направи комплексна оценка на икономически най-изгодните оферти и класиране на участниците. Към комисията са привлечени технически експерти и експерт по процедурите от Съюза на одиторите от Сметната палата.
Съгласно оценката на комисията, фирмите класирани на първо място за съответния участък са надвишили значително изискванията за опит и капацитет, представили са най-пълни и най-добре разработени Технически предложения и най-ниски ценови оферти.
В резултат на прецизната оценка и прозрачно проведената процедура, в законовия срок до 01.08.2008 г., не са постъпили възражения и решението за избор на Изпълнители е влязло в сила. В съответствие с чл. 41, ал.3 от ЗОП на 27.08.08 г. се подписват договорите за иженеринг за двата участъка, както следва: За обособена позиция II – с Фирма „ДОУШ ИНШААТ ВЕ ТИДЖАРЕТ”АД с 3 подизпълнители на цена 329,133 млн.лв.; За обособена позиция II – с Обединение „МЕТРО ТРЕЙС”, състоящо се от три фирми и 5 подизпълнители на 141,960 млн. лв.
Вследствие на повторното обявяване на процедурата и добрите предложения на класираните на първо място фирми, цената на участъка е намалена с 84 млн. лв.
За изпълнението на голяма част от работите на участъка от метрото в София фирма „Доуш” е посочила специализирани местни подизпълнители.
За доказване на опит при проектирането и строителството на работи от подобен характер и сложност, фирмата с подизпълнителите си, е приложила над 45 договора. Основните обекти изпълнени от фирмата през последните години са: 60 км метротунели в т.ч. с механизирана тунелопробивна машина (ТПМ), метростанции по подземен и открит способ, доставка и монтаж на електромеханично оборудване на над 45 км метро, автомагистрали в България (АМ Тракия: Бургас-Карнобат), Мароко, Турция, железопътни линии, мостове, и други. Работила е в съдружие с водещи световни фирми, като Алстом, Марубени, Ансалдо и др.
Фирма „Доуш” има годишен оборот над 1,8 млрд. лв., над 3700 работника и над 450 броя специализирана механизация включително 4 модерни тунелопробивни машини-щитове и други машини и оборудване за строителство метро по открит способ.
За доказване на опит при проектирането и строителството на работи от подобен характер и сложност Обединение „Метро трейс” е приложило над 120 договора. Основните обекти изпълнени от Обединение “Метро Tрейс” през последните години са: над 23 км тунели по Нов австрийски метод (НАМ) в България, Германия и Испания; на метростанции; системи по електромеханична част, автоматика, управление на движението, и релсов път за над 15 км метро; два участъка от магистрала Тракия; укрепване на големи изкопи и свлачища; ТЕЦ Марица Изток; мостове, виадукти, ж. п. линии, хидротехнически съоръжения и др. в страната и чужбина. Фирмите от обединението и техните подизпълнители са работили в съдружие с водещи фирми от Германия, Испания, Франция и други.
Обединението има над 1800 работника и 150 души инженернотехнически персонал. Притежава голямо количество специализирана строителна механизация за строителство по предвиждания за участъка от метрото в София Нов австрийски метод за тунелите и открит способ за метростанциите.
С реализацията на изключително важните участъци от Проекта за разширение на метрото в София, финансирани от ОП ”Транспорт”, ще се осигури мощен, скоростен, масов градски транспорт по едно от най-натоварените направления на столицата и ефективни интермодални връзки с главните транспортни възли на града. След завършването на проекта по ОП ”Транспорт” и извършваното паралелно строителство от Столична община се предвижда, през 2012 г. метрото в София да има две линии с обща дължина около 31 км и да превозва дневно над 420 хил. пътника.
В резултат на това основните ползи за града ще се изразят в: значително облекчава на трафика, неколкократно увеличаване на скоростта на пътуванията с обществения транспорт, спестяване на над 95 хил. часа дневно от пътниците на масовия градски транспорт, намаляване с над 35 хил. тона годишно на количеството на вредните газове, в т.ч. парникови, изхвърляни от автомобилите и превозните средства на масовия градски транспорт, снижаване на себестойността на пътуванията с обществения транспорт и др.

just4ivaylo
August 27th, 2008, 12:35 AM
^^I didn't think the metro in Sofia was bad when I was last on it(2003 and 2004). I didn't see the green and orange trains, but they are not much different than the older ones.

Personally, I thought the stations were made very well, except..some of them seemed too small. I don't think anyone thought about how many people would actually start using the metro. Apart from that, it was very clean, and the temp. during the summer was fine. :)

radi6404
August 27th, 2008, 01:12 AM
^^I didn't think the metro in Sofia was bad when I was last on it(2003 and 2004). I didn't see the green and orange trains, but they are not much different than the older ones.

Personally, I thought the stations were made very well, except..some of them seemed too small. I don't think anyone thought about how many people would actually start using the metro. Apart from that, it was very clean, and the temp. during the summer was fine. :)

Ofcourse it is very clean if there are 5 people on the station waiting for the train. The very dumb system doesn´t let you into the station as a visitor, you can only see the station if you buy a ticket for the train, how rediculous is that, as if there aren´t other systems. Besides that the stuff seling the tickets is very unfriendly. I wanted make some shots of a Sofia metro station and a very unfriendly lady told me that I have to buy a ticket to be able to enter the station. The stations should be accesable to all visitors since people are interested in inovations but not always have the time or desire to travel with the metro.

AnonymvsBeaver
August 27th, 2008, 01:20 AM
Ofcourse it is very clean if there are 5 people on the station waiting for the train. The very dumb system doesn´t let you into the station as a visitor, you can only see the station if you buy a ticket for the train, how rediculous is that, as if there aren´t other systems. Besides that the stuff seling the tickets is very unfriendly. I wanted make some shots of a Sofia metro station and a very unfriendly lady told me that I have to buy a ticket to be able to enter the station. The stations should be accesable to all visitors since people are interested in inovations but not always have the time or desire to travel with the metro.

I have not seen a single subway in the world where you can get in for free.. :lol: The system in Sofia is the same as in Paris, NYC, and D.C., for what I know..

Radi, why didn't you tell us about the novelties in Blago?!?! Read my description on the Blago thread and if you're there, we'll be thankful if you can take pics.. I forgot my camera today :(

zzibit
August 27th, 2008, 01:20 AM
the metro is for transportation, it is not a museum after all. imagine if 1000 people decided to take a photo tour on the same day, getting in the way of rushing people

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 01:25 AM
The very dumb system doesn´t let you into the station as a visitor, you can only see the station if you buy a ticket for the train, how rediculous is that, as if there aren´t other systems.
Now where did you come up with that?!:crazy: I don't know any system when you can enter the stations for free if you want to take some photos.

radi6404
August 27th, 2008, 01:29 AM
In Germany for example you can enter all stations for free.

Edit, just added my two cents about the "innovations" in Blagoevgrad.

renovatio
August 27th, 2008, 02:19 AM
Not the metro stations. The rail stations yes, but that's the same everywhere, since the conductor checks your ticket on the train.

Oh, and the sofia metro stations aren't small actually. Even if all of the space on a train is filled up just at one spot, there's still 3-4 times more room at every station to accommodate those waiting passengers. I think the Bucharest station that was in a photo earlier in the thread is much smaller, maybe about 1/3, comparatively.

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 02:23 AM
It's the same almost everywhere. There's a tax of 0.5 RON (~0.14 EUR) if you want to enter Gara de Nord in Bucharest without a train ticket.:bash:

blago84
August 27th, 2008, 04:58 AM
I remember that ten years ago in Berlin the access to the stations of the U-bahn was really free. But for me it is ok only the passengers with tickets to have access to the platforms. What I hate about the metro in Sofia is that it is actually prohibited to make photos or videos of it. You risk your cammera or at least you memory card doing so (Anyway I do, some of my videos can be seen at youtube). And yes - the stations are small - they are not long enough and cannot accept longer trains. Now it is still ok. But soon the passengers will be more than the trains can accept, and then... the problem will be really serious, as the stations are too short, and it will be impossible longer trains to be put in service. The old trains have four sections, and I think that the stations will be able to accept them with one additional section. But the new ones consist of three double sectinos, and a fourth cannot be added, because the train will be too long for the stations.

just4ivaylo
August 27th, 2008, 05:31 AM
^^Exactly. That was my thinking too. They are just too small..maybe they're are fine now, but they won't be in the future. You never know, Sofia is in Bulgaria, and the country's population is declining. :( The stations might be just big enough. :D

RichKid_01
August 27th, 2008, 07:46 AM
It's the same almost everywhere. There's a tax of 0.5 RON (~0.14 EUR) if you want to enter Gara de Nord in Bucharest without a train ticket.:bash:

When I was in NZ you have to pay $7.00 to enter if you refuse you will get a trespass letter. Stupid NZers:ohno:. In Australia you pay $4.00 its cheaper

Turnovec
August 27th, 2008, 09:27 AM
People, i want to beg you desperately for something. PLEASE, stop quoting the loco when you reply to him cause i get to see what he has written that way.

I discovered 2 days ago the "ignore list" feature of this forum and suddenly the world seemed a lot less stupid when the posts of radinho started to appear like this: :banana::banana::banana:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f371/naster11/radionho.jpg

Today i found out that once someone quotes his post it isn't hidden anymore :ohno::ohno::ohno: So PLEASE, don't do that! There are many amongst us i believe, who don't want to read anymore the crap this guy has the desperate need to pour out here.

Thank you! :cheers:

just4ivaylo
August 27th, 2008, 10:17 AM
^^You guys are just too mean. He has an opinion, and maybe some of his posts are stupid (like some of mine, and yours) but I personally enjoy reading other people's opinions. Anyways, let's not hijack the thread.

Fallen
August 27th, 2008, 10:31 AM
You said the stations in your metro system are about 3 times bigger than the ones in Bucharest? Which stations did you see in Bucharest? We have some big ones also. Anyway, is the length of the stations shorter in Sofia? This is what i understood after reading what's been posted above.

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Turnovec, I understand you have a problem with seeing radi's posts? Some sort of server glitch maybe. Don't worry, I'll talk to DaiTengu and maybe he can look into it. In the meantime I'll make sure I quote every single post radi makes, don't worry! Always glad to help.:cheers:

blago84
August 27th, 2008, 10:47 AM
You said the stations in your metro system are about 3 times bigger than the ones in Bucharest? Which stations did you see in Bucharest? We have some big ones also. Anyway, is the length of the stations shorter in Sofia? This is what i understood after reading what's been posted above.

I checked some youtube videos, to see what's the length of the trains you use... I see that they consist of six sections each... (Our stations can accept trains with max 5 sections) So your stations are longer than ours. But the trains look a little bit more narrow than ours and so do your stations too (but this may be an illusion of me). It's very interesting that your metro is probably the only one in the former eastern block which do not use at least some Metrovagonmash units.

bulgrai
August 27th, 2008, 10:58 AM
You said the stations in your metro system are about 3 times bigger than the ones in Bucharest? Which stations did you see in Bucharest? We have some big ones also. Anyway, is the length of the stations shorter in Sofia? This is what i understood after reading what's been posted above.

Well this can be said that it's partly true. The Sofia metro stations are in some terms bigger and longer than other european stations (for example Prague,Budapest and even some of Paris) but that's just because our Metropoliten was built in 1998 :lol: We are newbies in this transport.

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 11:02 AM
Yeah, we used to make our own metro trains called IVA made at what's now Astra Arad between 1978 and 1993. We still have a few running on some lines.

blago84
August 27th, 2008, 11:24 AM
bulgrai you are completely wrong in this statement. The stations in Sofia are probably the shortest metrostations in Europe (I do not count the lightrail systems like the one in Porto, despite it is called "metro" too), excluding the Budapest line 1, built 112 years ago...

Cosmin, those trains look cool. And your new ones too. At least I like them :)

bulgrai
August 27th, 2008, 11:30 AM
no, blago84. I am not wrong. I have travelled all around Europe and I've seen the stations in most countries. The Metro Stations in Sofia are large compared to those of the Line 1 of Paris.

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 11:34 AM
Platform length for Sofia metro is 120 m, right?

Turnovec
August 27th, 2008, 11:36 AM
As far as i know, the stations are made with such length that they could hold in the future a composition of up to 5 couches. Currently the trains are composed of 2 couches and once the extension to Mladost is opened they will start running a 4 couches compositions.

Btw, here (http://www.metropolitan.bg/index_eng.html) are some not so good photos of all the metro stations in Sofia, from the (god knows why) not updatable web site of Metropolitan...

JuMPer
August 27th, 2008, 11:37 AM
Paris stations fit 5 wagons/carriages and almost all stations are really close...5-7 min walking by foot

ВОДА
August 27th, 2008, 11:38 AM
Platform length for Sofia metro is 120 m, wight?


That`s right! :okay:

blago84
August 27th, 2008, 11:38 AM
I've just checked how long are the trains running on this line... they are six sections (and they aren't shorter than those in Sofia)... ours are four and could be five at best... I'll leave the conclusion to you.
You are right about one thing - our stations are more spacious, as they are build after 1980. And the Paris metro opened in 1900. But the fact that there is more space in our stations, do not make them bigger... as they cannot accept larger trains. So this is just waste of space and money :(

Turnovec - the metro in Sofia currently uses the old trains in compositions of four sections, which can be expanded up to five sections, and the new trains which consist of three double sections (each such sections has two subsections) and no more sections can be added to these trains as they will become longer than the stations...

Turnovec
August 27th, 2008, 11:43 AM
Guys, why do you compare Paris and Sofia ? What is the population of the both cities after all? It doesn't matter if the stations are too long or too short. If its the first variant, then there will be longer trains on a longer time intervals. If its the 2nd variant, then there will be shorter trains on a shorter time intervals...

Turnovec
August 27th, 2008, 11:48 AM
And some news about line 2 from today. The contract withthe 2 companies who won the tender for the 2 lots "Nadejda"-"NDK" and "NDK"-"Cherni Vruh" has been signed today. According to it everything must be ready till 2012 ... Hopefully the works will start this fall.

Подписаха договори за изграждане на нови отсечки на метрото

София. В Министерство на транспорта бяха подписани договори между „Обединение Метротрейд и Метрополитен” и фирма „Доуш Иншаат Ве Тиджарет” АД за изграждане на разширението на софийското метро от пътен възел „Надежда”, Централна жп гара, площад „Света Неделя”, булевард „Черни връх”, предаде репортер на Агенция “Фокус”. Присъстваха министърът на транспорта Петър Мутафчиев, кметът на Столична община Бойко Борисов, Нели Йорданова, ръководител на управителния орган на ОП „Транспорт”. турската фирма „Доуш Иншаат Ве Тиджарет” е спечелила конкурса за изграждане на отсечката от пътен възел „Надежда”, Централна гара, площад „Света Неделя” до „Патриарх Евтимий”, а „Обединение Метротрейд” – от бул. „Патриарх Евтимий” – НДК – „Черни връх”. Инж. Стоян Братоев, директор на „Метрополитен” ЕАД, заяви на церемонията, че двете фирми са избрани при изключително прозрачна процедура и от комисия, в която са участвали представители на Министерство на транспорта, Министерство на финансите, Столична община, Областната управа и „Метрополитен”. Според проекта – до 2012 година трябва да бъде изградено метрото в отсечката от пътен възел „Надежда” до бул. „Черни връх”.

RawLee
August 27th, 2008, 02:00 PM
Well this can be said that it's partly true. The Sofia metro stations are in some terms bigger and longer than other european stations (for example Prague,Budapest and even some of Paris) but that's just because our Metropoliten was built in 1998 :lol: We are newbies in this transport.

What do mean by "bigger"? Bigger than,like this:
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9707/stadionokec1.jpg
120m is like a universal size in former commie countries.

just4ivaylo
August 27th, 2008, 08:05 PM
Those pictures on the metro site are horrible. Is that seriously the official site? It's disgusting, the layout is ugly, and it hasn't been updated in years. They even spelled "Metropolitan" wrong on the top. The pictures are so small, and so ugly, that you can barely see anything. They're not even "clickable".

Cosmin
August 27th, 2008, 08:27 PM
I remember seeing those pictures a few years back, when I didn't know SSC existed. Being such poor pictures I was left with the impression that Sofia metro is a shit hole. I now see it's a pretty neat (though tiny:() metro.:cheers:

RichKid_01
August 28th, 2008, 03:28 AM
^^ Another cretinoid outbusrt :nuts::nuts::nuts: Have you taken your pills this morning ?

These are the new skifs that run on Sofia metro. Do they look Bad ?!? :?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Skif_sofia_02.jpg

http://trehgranka.metro.ru/images/vagon/vagon_skif/sofia/skif_sofia_green_mmz_03.jpg

http://forum.trehgranka.ru/skif_zelenka_2.jpg

They're great trains, modern too

bgplayer19
September 1st, 2008, 10:00 PM
Does anyone have pics of Klimen Ohridski station???I want to see progress :lol:

bgplayer19
September 2nd, 2008, 11:03 PM
Great!Thanks a lot Voda :):):)

just4ivaylo
September 3rd, 2008, 06:08 AM
How old is that picture?

Junkie
September 4th, 2008, 06:18 PM
So when does the extension to Mladost will be complete? December this year?

JloKyM
September 4th, 2008, 06:22 PM
So when does the extension to Mladost will be complete? December this year?

Latest predictions are for 17 september 2009(The Day of Sofia)

Tego
September 4th, 2008, 07:15 PM
Pfff, Mladost - Serdica Station will be running no earlier than 2010. There's an idea to get the trains running from Mladost to Vassil Levski Stadium before that (next year), but we just gotta wait and see.

JloKyM
September 7th, 2008, 03:58 PM
Very, very, very beautiful pictures,bgrs. Thanks a lot.:cheers:

Ivanski
September 7th, 2008, 04:00 PM
Awesome pics :)

Tego
September 7th, 2008, 04:40 PM
Amazing pics, dRusenec! :master: :applause:

Turnovec
September 7th, 2008, 09:14 PM
Some photos by Boby Dimitrov (Vasil Levski national stadium metro station):


That derelict stadium next to Levski is Yunak, right? What about its reconstruction, I've seen some renders...no progress seems to be made :(

Didn't you notice what Boby wrote under those pictures ? ;)


Construction work

We were contacted by a group of young architects to shoot the construction of a subway station, downtown Sofia, Bulgaria.

The station is near the National Stadium "Vasil Levski" and the Secondary School of Construction, Architecture and Geodesy “Hristo Botev”.

Екипът на ProvoCAD се свърза с нас за заснемане на строителните работи по метрото на кръстовището "Евлоги Георгиев" и "Драган Цанков" във връзка с техния проект за "Стадион Юнак" (http://provocad.com/?p=22).

Great photos ! :bow: :bow: :bow:

zzibit
September 7th, 2008, 10:13 PM
it's amazing those shots were taken using a baloon

Mr.BobbY
September 7th, 2008, 11:41 PM
http://provocad.com/?p=22

is this project aproved?

just4ivaylo
September 8th, 2008, 11:04 AM
^^ I LOVE IT!!! I don't know why, it's so simple, yet so elegant. :)

bgplayer19
September 8th, 2008, 06:40 PM
Let me guess!This ballon was in front the CCS right?

JloKyM
September 8th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Let me guess!This ballon was in front the CCS right?

Nope. CCS is near Hemus, this is near the National Stadium :P

bgplayer19
September 8th, 2008, 06:51 PM
Yes I know i meant that it took off in front the CCS :)

zzibit
September 9th, 2008, 07:02 PM
The city will set aside 30 million euro for the construction of the second metro line.

София дава близо 60 млн. лв. аванс за метрото

Столичната община ще отпусне близо 60 млн. лв. от бюджета си за тази година за строителството на втория диаметър на метрото от надлез "Надежда" до кв. "Лозенец". Средствата ще се използват за авансови плащания по договорите за изграждането на участъка с турската фирма "Доуш иншаат" и българския консорциум "Метротрейс". На предстоящото си заседание утре общинските съветници ще гласуват дофинансирането на проекта на обща стойност 241 млн. лв. Половината от средствата за него ще бъдат осигурени от оперативната програма "Транспорт", но все още не са одобрени. София трябва да отпусне недостигащите 121 млн. лв.

Общинското дофинансиране ще е поетапно в следващите четири години, като в бюджета за 2009 г. ще се предвидят 40 млн. лв. Част от парите ще бъдат възстановени след одобряването на проекта от Европейската комисия.

Първата копка на втората линия на метрото трябва да бъде направена до края на годината. Строителството ще продължи 45 месеца. През 2012 г. подземната железница вече трябва да има 31 км линии и да превозва 420 хил. души дневно. По изчисления на общината по-бързият начин за придвижване трябва да спестява по 90 хил. часа всеки ден на столичани, които сега се движат с 10 км в час в най-големите задръствания. Най-рано от юли догодина влаковете ще се движат и в отсечката от площад "Св. Неделя" до кв. "Младост".

Междувременно общинските съветници от БСП обявиха, че ще искат създаването на черен списък, в който да влязат фирмите, забавили ремонтите в софийските детски градини. По данни на общината 40 забавачки остават затворени и през септември.

peter.tgeorgiev
September 18th, 2008, 09:55 AM
Някой знае ли дали започнаха прокопаването на втория тунел от ЦУМ до СУ, защото се говореше за края на август ама още нищо не съм чул?

JloKyM
September 18th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Някой знае ли дали започнаха прокопаването на втория тунел от ЦУМ до СУ, защото се говореше за края на август ама още нищо не съм чул?

Доколкото знам е почнат. Още повече че непрекъснато изнасят пръст от Сердика, а и къртицата май вече велезе надълбоко.

JloKyM
September 24th, 2008, 09:36 AM
^^ Great News. IMO, This part of the first diameter is really important.:cheers:

zzibit
September 24th, 2008, 05:45 PM
Which stations will be opened next and what date is it planned on, roughly?

Ivanski
September 24th, 2008, 06:00 PM
Probably Sofia university and Yunak , otherwise the trains will probably have to teleport to Darvenitza and Mladost :D

paF4uko
September 28th, 2008, 11:20 PM
This is very ugly... Should be nominated in the thread dedicated to the ugliest metro stations...

radi6404
September 28th, 2008, 11:34 PM
I think it´s alright. What I don´t understnad was when I was in Sofia, that at the tunneln near the government bulidings it says Subway buth there isn´t any subway there.

AnonymvsBeaver
September 28th, 2008, 11:39 PM
I think it´s alright. What I don´t understnad was when I was in Sofia, that at the tunneln near the government bulidings it says Subway buth there isn´t any subway there.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's great, Radi :lol:

I suppose its an underpass that used to be connected to the serdica station before the reconstruction began and they havent removed the sign.. because it will be connected once again.. :dunno:

radi6404
September 28th, 2008, 11:48 PM
When will it be connected again?

AnonymvsBeaver
September 29th, 2008, 02:43 AM
When will it be connected again?

God only knows.. (this is not a joke)

paF4uko
October 2nd, 2008, 07:56 PM
I like the station at Musagenica, but as I already said, Ljulin should be posted here! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=691048&page=5) :lol:

radi6404
October 2nd, 2008, 08:21 PM
You can´t have that high criterias, it´s ok for an outside quartal. I like it, it looks somehow indstrial and like it´s almost out of Sofia.

ianto
October 2nd, 2008, 08:45 PM
That station reminds me some of the stations here in Prague, nothing special, but not ugly at all...nice fresh coaches...;-)

paF4uko
October 2nd, 2008, 11:23 PM
You can´t have that high criterias, it´s ok for an outside quartal. I like it, it looks somehow indstrial and like it´s almost out of Sofia.
I can have whatever criterias I want. This Ljulin station looks like crematorium. :)

Here's what I like:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Station-Valmy-ligne-D.jpg/800px-Station-Valmy-ligne-D.jpg
This is also a suburb metro station :)

radi6404
October 2nd, 2008, 11:48 PM
Oh, it might not be the msot beautiful station, the Ljulin, but it looks definatly wetern and has a standart, in more developted countries like austria Germany, france you definatly will find many stations which look very similar to this one. I think the station looks fresh, if I were there withou knowing were I am I would expect a modern looking area above with big new shiny roads and green fields, well just an outskirt of a big city lke Ljulin is.

paF4uko
October 3rd, 2008, 12:07 AM
I can't say about Germany, but I live in France and I've never seen such stations and I can guarantee you won't find anything like Ljulin in the agglomeration where I live. Paris' metro style with the white tales is another story - I don't like it neither but it's not as bad as this station... :) When I look at the roof I feel like it's going to crumble over me and I find this gray marble and columns on the platform very depressive...

JuMPer
October 3rd, 2008, 01:30 AM
for something that was designed 30 years ago i think its ok (cheap, simple & efficient). what i dont like is that there's only a few stops, but the new stations have modern designs. lets not discuss fr metro :lol: photos lie :lol:

paF4uko
October 3rd, 2008, 09:32 AM
for something that was designed 30 years ago i think its ok (cheap, simple & efficient). what i dont like is that there's only a few stops, but the new stations have modern designs. lets not discuss fr metro :lol: photos lie :lol:

Well, it depends where... In Paris it stinks and you cannot feel it through photos... And RER lines have each their own smell, so that you can recognize which one you are riding. It happened to me even to see human excrements in RER B on the way back from CDG. :lol:
But in Lyon it's clean enough and it doesn't smell, even if sometimes there is rubbish between the rails because some "racailles" throw things like they do in their countries of origin...

Ostap Bender
October 3rd, 2008, 12:19 PM
I heard that the metro will be done only to station "Iunak" because ot the difficult terrain.

Have you heard the same and isn't that scarry? :ohno:

Cyberflow
October 3rd, 2008, 01:00 PM
^^ That, my friend, is impossible.

JuMPer
October 3rd, 2008, 04:11 PM
i think u have it the other way around. they were talkin on opening it from iunak onwards b/c the trouble is b/t iunak and serdika or something like that.

bgplayer19
October 4th, 2008, 10:06 AM
Yep and I think that the tunnels between Yunak and Intepred are already built!

peter.tgeorgiev
October 8th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Българското правителство вчера официално поиска от ЕС сумата от 240 млн. евро за изграждане на втория диаметър на софийското метро.



Това стана в Брюксел, където министърът на транспорта Петър Мутафчиев лично връчи документите за проекта на комисаря по регионално развитие в ЕК Данута Хюбнер.

Сролед договора за изграждане на новите отсечки от софийското метро, който Столична община сключи преди 1 месец с два консорциума, разширението трябва да приключи до 2011 г.

За другия участък от метрополитена - от ж.к."Младост" до софийското летище обаче, столичното кметство трябва да осигури собствено финансиране.

ВМРО
October 10th, 2008, 12:35 AM
Сериозно изостава строежът на метрото


09.10.2008 / 11:03 - citybuild.bg

Изградени са само 40% от тръбите на столичния метрополитен, става ясно от огласен доклад на Сметната палата.



Забавянето на строежа ще създаде сериозни неудобства за живеещите в столицата.

Докладът анализира закъсненията в строителните работи. Одиторите посочват неусвоения заем, отпуснат от Японската банка за международно развитие, като основна причина за забавянето.

По договор, японците от „Тайсей” дължат неустойка заради забавянето в размер на 5,8 млн. лв.

С нея не могат да се покрият социалните и финансовите последствия по този проект, се казва още в доклада.

Консултантите твърдят, че метрото ще заработи ефективно през 2010 г. Първоначално предвиденият срок, в който то трябваше да бъде пуснато беше месец ноември 2007 г. .Щом са изградили само 40% до момента вероятността е почти нулева да заработи до 2010.

blago84
October 10th, 2008, 08:52 AM
В никакъв случай не са 40% - изградени са и двете тръби между СУ и Юнак, както и едната тръба между СУ и Сердика. В момента се копае втората, в посока от Сердика към СУ, като са около подлеза при президентството (по-вероятно малко преди него). От 4 тунела са изкопани 3 и се копае 4-тия, това няма как да са 40%, иначе за завършен двупътен участък - това е само Су - Юнак, което е около 40% - може това да са имали предвид, но са пропуснали да споменат че другите 60% са на повече от половина завършени.

svetoslav
October 11th, 2008, 09:01 AM
В никакъв случай не са 40% - изградени са и двете тръби между СУ и Юнак, както и едната тръба между СУ и Сердика. В момента се копае втората, в посока от Сердика към СУ, като са около подлеза при президентството (по-вероятно малко преди него). От 4 тунела са изкопани 3 и се копае 4-тия, това няма как да са 40%, иначе за завършен двупътен участък - това е само Су - Юнак, което е около 40% - може това да са имали предвид, но са пропуснали да споменат че другите 60% са на повече от половина завършени.

Exactly, never trust the media.^^