There's a debate regarding how should Moldova be integrated in the new Euroscrapers layout. Many proposals invole renaming this subforum. Here are the proposed solutions so far:

1) Leave the name as it is now (i.e. "Romania") and take no action regarding Moldova;
2) Leave the name as it is now (i.e. "Romania") and create a separate section in this subforum for Moldova for everything related to Moldova;
3) Rename this subforum to "Romanian" with a possible subtitle like "For all discussions in Romanian";
4) Rename this forum to "Romania & Moldova".

Please vote! If you choose "Other proposal" option don't forget to post whatever idea you might have.:cheers:

I'll look after this thread :)

I think we should keep things as they are now because there aren't any forumers from Moldova, so there won't be many threads about the development of Moldova either (if Romanian forumers want to contribute to those threads they can go over to wherever the threads are now (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1282)).

Bringing Moldova here will only generate endless (and probably pointless) discussions about politics.

Option #3 is almost a non-option because we are probably going to decide to use English for this section.

Option #3 is a sort of contingency option in case we don't get a section for Moldova nor do we leave everything as it is now and people start voting for the use of Romanian in that poll.:lol: It was a discussed option on the Staff forum, so I've included it here also.

The discussion regarding politics can be kept to a minimum though. Since they're an independent (cough!) country they should have a degree of separation from the other threads concerning Romania.

I think nr 2 for now...but if the section attracts a crowd, then we can rename it to "Romania and Moldova"

My proposal is to leave the title as it is but make a subtitle in Romanian language and it should say "Discussion in Romanian language". That way Moldovans should feel welcome, but Romania & Moldova is a bit too much especially now when there is no Moldovan forumers.

As Sbz2ifc pointed out, that would contradict our decision to use mainly English on this forum (see sticky poll). So yeah, it's is an option, but it's not the best option we have.

Well another idea is to name the forum Romania and have "Romania and Moldova" in the subtitle.

We should have a section here for Moldova after all :cheers:

The problem I see with this proposal is that I think we do/can not contribute sufficiently for Moldova to have it's own section. As it is now, the thread attracts contributions not only from Romanians, but also from the Russian forumers and others. If we bring it into the Romanian subforum, I fear that everybody else will lose interest in the Moldova thread.

On the other hand, I feel that by bringing Moldova here and creating it's own section may generate more activity on this new section from the part of Romanians here.

So, in conclusion, if anybody here feels she/he can contribute enough to keep a Moldova subsection in the Romanian section live and active with posts at least at a weekly rate, then I think it's good to make a Moldova subsection here. If not, I think we should leave things as they are now.

The bottomline question is whether we can contribute enough? I vote after we can answer this question.

My answer is that I cannot contribute enough.

I didn't contribute to those Moldova threads on EE/Balkans, so I can't contribute now either. I don't have the info, time or interest for contributing in regards to Moldova.

But I know some here have the info and interest to contribute.

Is it that much of a problem to have one or two threads about Moldova here? Really? Are you people so cold-hearted? :D
Giving them a section is just useless, as much make one for Luxembourg (who, btw, I have no idea where they should be, perhaps the belgian part as benelux?

Besides, it is not because the forum title is "In Romanian" that you will be forced to write in the language, sheesh, what is this mania to write only in english around all the new forums? It wont' kill nobody if people wrote in their native tongue, and we won't kick anyone just for writing in english, nobody will really care. The point of this section is that people will be free to write in any of the two languages. We forced you to write in english in the EE. If it's to have all of you continue to do so, as well delete all the 6 new forums and get everybody together again

Is it that much of a problem to have one or two threads about Moldova here? Really? Are you people so cold-hearted? :D
Not a problem with me, though I'd still prefer having their section just for the sake of better organization.

what is this mania to write only in english around all the new forums?
What is this mania to write in our native tongue?:lol: We've decided to use mainly English, but anybody can use Romanian if they want. I don't see the problem with not embracing Romanian here or using bilingual titles and as long as we're not breaking any SSC rules, this is the way it's gonna stay.:cheers:

I vote for the Romania and Moldova option. (or at least a Moldova section within this forum and "Romania and Moldova" written in the Romania big threads' description)

I am OK with the current Moldova thread within the Romanian section, but I do not understand why the Chisinau [Projects and Construction] thread does not go in the appropriate subsection, together with the othher cities' threads? :cheers:

Sorry, Le Clerk, I missed that thread. Probably been recently moved here. I've fixed it - it's in P&C.:cheers:

Thanks...it was just a bit confusing to me. Now, we should really post some stuff in those Moldova threads. :cheers:

Well since Moldova is part of Romania, we should just leave it. Now, Bessarabia is another matter lol. Just joking, lets just go with option number 1. If more Moldovan forumers pop up, then we can leave it to them whether to join us or leave (no political connotations lol). I would advice against the Romanian option (#3) though, cuz it would alienate many non-Romanian forumers who are interested in Romania. It's a pity how Romanians are divided becuase of stupid politics :(

Well since Moldova is part of Romania, we should just leave it.

I missed a part of the story it seems

You missed tonight's news, man! We've just invaded Moldova!:rock:

I missed a part of the story it seems

Well, Matthieu, Moldova is just a Soviet name for the country which was given to warrant USSR's claims for the entire Moldova province (half of it being incorporated into Romania). The real (historic) name of the province should be Bessarabia, yet since few people know it by that name and we should not discuss too much politics here, we've tacitly agreed, I think, to continue using the Soviet name. :crazy: It's something similar to the name dispute between the Greeks and the Macedonians, only that Romanians would treat it at 180', should Moldova decided to join NATO or EU. :cheers:

Haha sorry Matthieu, should have explained. Thanx Le Clerk :)

It's something similar to the name dispute between the Greeks and the Macedonians, only that Romanians would treat it at 180', should Moldova decided to join NATO or EU. :cheers:
Ehmm yes, but at least you are the same people more or less which is 180' from our situation.

Yes, that's also true. Maybe that's why we don't care about the name. :cheers:

#2 is very discriminating and unfair against Moldova, just because there are no Moldovans here doesn't mean you can annex them.

This is entirely different from how Kazakhs love to be in the Russian section and you have no right to "add" Moldova as a subsection. My gf is from Moldova, despite speak Romanian they don't consider themselves to be Romanians.

#1 and #4 are reasonable choices.

#2 is very discriminating and unfair against Moldova, just because there are no Moldovans here doesn't mean you can annex them.

This is entirely different from how Kazakhs love to be in the Russian section and you have no right to "add" Moldova as a subsection. My gf is from Moldova, despite speak Romanian they don't consider themselves to be Romanians.

#1 and #4 are reasonable choices.

Call down...we are not annexing anyone (yet :)...

And all the people from RM that I've met, consider themselves Romanians and would not mind one bit if we had a section for Moldova here.

You're either lying or you're discussing skyscrapercity sections with people not affiliated with skyscrapercity, which would be very weird.

All people from Moldova I know declare themselves Romanians.

But Burislav, you are supporting a (lost) Soviet cause, which is surprising. There is no Moldovan nation (and no USSR). Only Romanian, Ukrainian, Russian or BUlgarian nationalitites live in Moldova (sic, Bessarabia).

We put Moldova here as there's no section of the SSC where it could have been placed after the restructuring. If Moldova was not put here, it would have died as a thread/section.

I am not against putting Moldova here, just make it Romania & Moldova forum, because the country of Moldova is not part of Romania.

Majority of Moldovans I came in contact with considered themselves to be Moldovans and were patriots of their country, even though they feel strong cultural and linguistic ties to Romania. The reason why I support Moldovans is because I hate when small nations are bullied about their nonexistence and artificiality, like Macedonia, another good example of such treatment.

Nobody bullies Moldova, but at the moment for a Romania and Moldova forum to emerge, we need to have some Moldovan members here, which is not the case for now. At least, this is my opinion.

And we also support Moldovans, only think they are not Moldovans, but Romanian, Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgarians etc. There's no Moldovan language, as there's no Austrian or American or Canadian language. :cheers:

So should Canada and United States be part of the United Kingdom forum because they speak English? Belarusians speak Russian, are they Russians? Kazakhstanis speak Russian, are they Russians?

Moldovans speak Romanian (or Romanian dialect), but they are Moldovans.
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So should Canada and United States be part of the United Kingdom forum because they speak English? Belarusians speak Russian, are they Russians? Kazakhstanis speak Russian, are they Russians?

Moldovans speak Romanian (or Romanian dialect), but they are Moldovans.
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Come on...you seem like a reasonable guy..give up this USSR propaganda..if they are not Romanians, then why do they speak Romanian? Why don't Ukrainians speak Romanian?

Canada is part of the UK...;)... but I hope you understand how ridiculous your US and Canada example is...Kazakhstanis have their own language but also speak Russia...same with Belarus.

Come on...you seem like a reasonable guy..give up this USSR propaganda..if they are not Romanians, then why do they speak Romanian? Why don't Ukrainians speak Romanian?

Canada is part of the UK...;)... but I hope you understand how ridiculous your US and Canada example is...Kazakhstanis have their own language but also speak Russia...same with Belarus.

It's perfectly reasonable for different but similar nations to speak one language or very similar languages or one language and a dialect of this language. I'm not an expert on Moldovan history, but since there are no Moldovans here I feel obligated to defend them ;)

Besides, Moldovans had a Kingdom in 16th century with a King Stephen the Great.

P.S. Canada is not part of the U.K., it's only part of the Commonwealth

It's perfectly reasonable for different but similar nations to speak one language or very similar languages or one language and a dialect of this language. I'm not an expert on Moldovan history, but since there are no Moldovans here I feel obligated to defend them ;)

Besides, Moldovans had a Kingdom in 16th century with a King Stephen the Great.

P.S. Canada is not part of the U.K., it's only part of the Commonwealth

What exactly are you defending them from? Reality...if you are not an expert in Moldovan history, then dont comment on their origins...


Here is a quick lesson for you...in Byzantine documents Moldova was sometimes referred to as Moldovlachia ...does the "vlahia" part look familiar to you?....it's the medieval name of Romanians...Vlachs and also the name of another Romanian province...Valahia.

And please don’t educate me about Stefan cel Mare; let’s just say I know of him and not from Wikipedia.

Besides, Moldovans had a Kingdom in 16th century with a King Stephen the Great.


Yes, and the kingdom was named Moldova and incorporated Bessarabia, currently under the official name of Moldova. That kingdom's capital was at Suceava, currently a city in Eastern Romania. Bessarabia was under Russian/USSR occupation between 1812-1918, and 1940-1941, 1945-1990.


However, they were full aware of their common roots with the other fellow Romanians, evidenced in the historic documents. For your knowledge, the first unification of all Romanians was at the year 1600, very short (the unified state was destroyed by the Hapsburg empire), but a good evidence that Romanians considered themselves as such since the Middle Ages.

Burislav, ok, we got your point. We're discriminating the citizens of Moldova. You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're taking it a bit too far.;)

Moldova is a sensible issue.
Romanians, ukranians, and russians will probably never get to agree on this, so we'd better stop the fight and try to find a solution for the forum problem. So far, it seems like we're approaching a decision...

^^ I think as it is right now, we are OK, since we do not have much to report on as far as Moldova is concerned, plus there's no Moldovan member yet. As a balancing solution, we could rename the subforum to Romania & Moldova, thus attracting a lot more attention, which is not bad at all. What do you think, Cosmin?

As a balancing solution, we could rename the subforum to Romania & Moldova, thus attracting a lot more attention, which is not bad at all. What do you think, Cosmin?

i totally agree to this :D

I totally disagree with it.;) Why the hell would we name the forum Moldova & Romania when we have no members from Moldova, at least not one that is active. The only ones we have have been living in Bucharest since they were children or are abroad now.

So no sense having a separate section for Moldova in our forum, but yeah... let's rename the forum to include Moldova in the title. Wtf?:crazy:

Like I said, let's create that section so we have all the related threads in one place and when we'll have enough members from MD we can put "& Moldova" in the title or even create a separate subforum.

Leaving everything as it is now is also ok, but changing the title is the worst option at this moment and it really makes no sense.

Moldova is a sensible issue.
Some want to make it look that way, yes.

I strongly support creating a subforum Republic of Moldova within the Romanian forum. There are no Moldovan members registered as such, but I was born in Moldova and have been living outside Moldova for some time now (Romania included) and still visit Chisinau at least once a year, now even more often because of my job.

I do not mind to have a subforum called Moldova, otherwise if lwe eave it alone in the general Balkans section it will simply dissapear out of evereyone's radar again. Being the only one from Moldova (but registered as a Romanian) I guess I could call the shots here :)

And to answer to Burislav. I graduated in History and I can only tell you this. Being Moldovan doesn't contradict with being Romanian.

Being Moldovan describes someone's territorial identity while Romanian the ethnic one. Romanian is a young country, created on May 9, 1977 (today!!!) and for centuries being Moldovan, Transilvanian was the only identity we had. The name Romania did not exist pon the map prior to 1877, that I hope explains why being Moldovan is much ancestral then being Romanian.

1877, not 1977. But I see it's just a typo.:cheers:

What? A guy born in Moldova that doesn't feel oppressed by a section for Moldova?! That can't be true, can't it, Burislav?:lol:

Considering the poll, tonight (if the server doesn't screw up again) I'll ask the admins to make that section.:)

I strongly support creating a subforum Republic of Moldova within the Romanian forum. There are no Moldovan members registered as such, but I was born in Moldova and have been living outside Moldova for some time now (Romania included) and still visit Chisinau at least once a year, now even more often because of my job.

I do not mind to have a subforum called Moldova, otherwise if lwe eave it alone in the general Balkans section it will simply dissapear out of evereyone's radar again. Being the only one from Moldova (but registered as a Romanian) I guess I could call the shots here :)

And to answer to Burislav. I graduated in History and I can only tell you this. Being Moldovan doesn't contradict with being Romanian.

Being Moldovan describes someone's territorial identity while Romanian the ethnic one. Romanian is a young country, created on May 9, 1977 (today!!!) and for centuries being Moldovan, Transilvanian was the only identity we had. The name Romania did not exist pon the map prior to 1877, that I hope explains why being Moldovan is much ancestral then being Romanian.

I didn't know you are from Moldova, Corneliu. But, since you are, I vote democratically and support your point here. ;) BTW, your name seems to be 'very Moldovan' :crazy: :cheers:

I strongly support creating a subforum Republic of Moldova within the Romanian forum. There are no Moldovan members registered as such, but I was born in Moldova and have been living outside Moldova for some time now (Romania included) and still visit Chisinau at least once a year, now even more often because of my job.

I do not mind to have a subforum called Moldova, otherwise if lwe eave it alone in the general Balkans section it will simply dissapear out of evereyone's radar again. Being the only one from Moldova (but registered as a Romanian) I guess I could call the shots here :)

And to answer to Burislav. I graduated in History and I can only tell you this. Being Moldovan doesn't contradict with being Romanian.

Being Moldovan describes someone's territorial identity while Romanian the ethnic one. Romanian is a young country, created on May 9, 1977 (today!!!) and for centuries being Moldovan, Transilvanian was the only identity we had. The name Romania did not exist pon the map prior to 1877, that I hope explains why being Moldovan is much ancestral then being Romanian.

Te-a spalat (deja) Voronin pe creier?! :lol:

1877, not 1977. But I see it's just a typo.:cheers:

What? A guy born in Moldova that doesn't feel oppressed by a section for Moldova?! That can't be true, can't it, Burislav?:lol:

Considering the poll, tonight (if the server doesn't screw up again) I'll ask the admins to make that section.:)

:lol: One person isn't enough, if you have 10 Moldovans who will confirm that they consider themselves Romanians here, you may include them under Romania then.

However, I propose you rename the forum to Romania & Moldova without creating a separate Moldova section because of lack of information on their projects, so you will have Chisinau next to Romanian cities, but the name of the subforum will reflect fairness.

P.S. Don't take me as anti-Romanian, I've been on a vacation in your country and see great potential between Ukraine and Romania. I just don't see anyone else defending Moldova here so I took that upon myself ;) Also, I'm not going to argue about your history, Ukrainians have little in common with either Romanians or Moldovans, you can discuss it among yourselves, but it's irrelevant, if modern Moldovans consider themselves to be Moldovans and not Romanians. I don't know what percentage of Moldovans see no contradiction with also being Romanian, so even if it's 50%/50% then Moldova has the right to be respected as a sovereign entity.

I just don't see anyone else defending Moldova here so I took that upon myself ;)
But what's there to defend?:? I'm just practical here, that's why I don't want to have Moldova in the title. As long as they're a separate country I respect their independence, and to be honest I'm not a big fan of reunification, so it's not some stupid nationalist thing.

I've said it here, I've said it on the Staff Forum and I'll say it again: when we'll have enough (any) members from Moldova, then we can put their country in the title and even have a separate subforum.

Until then a section within this subforum is the best option.

But what's there to defend?:? I'm just practical here, that's why I don't want to have Moldova in the title. As long as they're a separate country I respect their independence, and to be honest I'm not a big fan of reunification.

I've said it here, I've said it on the Staff Forum and I'll say it again: when we'll have enough (any) members from Moldova, then we can put their country in the title and even have a separate subforum.

Until then a section within this subforum is the best option.

No, following your logic no section within this subforum should be created either. So it's either no Moldova section or Romania & Moldova.

No, following your logic no section within this subforum should be created either. So it's either no Moldova section or Romania & Moldova.
Moldova is a special case. Besides, since you can't read my proposals on the staff forum, it's wiser to wait and see what happens... you know, we can always use subtitles on sections and forums.;)

I'm just trying to be practical, like I said. Your idea was noted but I think it's not the best one, and don't forget you represent 11% of the voters.:)

@Burislav, i don't really see how the Moldova issue is your problem :S
Ukranians have nothing to do with moldovans... actually you still "owe" us/them 3 counties from the former Bessarabia (Ismail, Bolgrad and Cetatea Alba). So please stop "protecting" the romanians from moldova/moldovans or whatever you want to call them.
Not to mention the Cernauti area in Ukraine, which is part of the Northern Bukovina area which the russians+ukranians took from us.


(@Cosmin, sorry if i was too harsh)

Ukranians have nothing to do with moldovans... actually you still "owe" us/them 3 counties from the former Bessarabia (Ismail, Bolgrad and Cetatea Alba).
I so wait for the admins to take a decision so I can close this thread.:bash:

@Burislav, i don't really see how the Moldova issue is your problem :S
Ukranians have nothing to do with moldovans... actually you still "owe" us/them 3 counties from the former Bessarabia (Ismail, Bolgrad and Cetatea Alba). So please stop "protecting" the romanians from moldova/moldovans or whatever you want to call them.
Not to mention the Cernauti area in Ukraine, which is part of the Northern Bukovina area which the russians+ukranians took from us.


(@Cosmin, sorry if i was too harsh)

You have been brainwashed too much. Much of Bukovina is still under Romanian occupation until we liberate it.

As to Moldova, we're the only ones protecting their Independence, you and Russians just want to annex them.

you still "owe" us/them 3 counties from the former Bessarabia (Ismail, Bolgrad and Cetatea Alba).
Much of Bukovina is still under Romanian occupation until we liberate it.
As to Moldova, we're the only ones protecting their Independence, you and Russians just want to annex them.
EE/Balkans is not dead after all.:D

Pending admins' decision this thread is locked. Whether is 1) or 2) I don't really care, though 2) would probably be better.
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