Cebú City and Province [Archive] - Page 255

vishaya

October 22nd, 2009, 10:07 AM

after all thats been expressed here in this forum, i rest my case at this point.

in my humble opinion, BRT suits cebu city in terms of aesthetics, economics and ridership. as explained by sir zidlakan and backed up by numerous studies, it costs less with wider coverage. it also pass the strict standards of Kyoto Protocol in terms of being environmentally friendly (granting the BRT bus units will use either hybrid-diesel fuel or better - CNG, see earlier post for link NCTR Journal of Public Transportation). it is also known that Cebu BRT is presently under an ongoing feasibility study by local and international agencies. being involded in feasibility studies myself, it would be wise to allow them to finish their study.

on the other hand this unsolicited proposal for LRT 'raises a lot of eyebrows' as we can read from the earlier posts. to summarize, it comes on election time, recommended by the same agency that is also currently doing a study on BRT, the same agency who said earlier that LRT is not feasible in cebu city....plus it comes at a staggering cost with a few days deadline for a project that would affect the lives of cebuanos and change the urban landscape of cebu. it may be a BOT project but operational cost will be subsidized by the government at above 75% . that is just impractical - makes me wonder, a milking cow for this upcoming elections???

this situation reminds me of a friend in manila who was given a brand new limited edition mercedes s-class for free. upon using it for few weeks he respectfully returned the car to the giver and explained that it does not fit his needs and lifestyle. he cant park it in alleyways, it consumes more gas than his regular toyota, he cant take it to visit his friends in poor neighborhoods and it is very imposing in front of his humble home.

federalist

October 22nd, 2009, 10:40 AM

whether BRT or LRT, mas mahal gihapon ang pamasahe. if Mayor Osmena is pro poor, di niya mahalon ang plete.

wether we like it or not, cebu has BRt and LRt 20 years from now.

redjieredz

October 22nd, 2009, 11:06 AM

sa fuente, 24 hours....

sa ayala access road, 9pm yata i-off

sa ACT building, wa pa ko kita ga-andar. hahaha. pero i think gaandar siya

^^ Sa ACT bai naay limit ang ilang pag-andar sa LED kay gamay raman sad nagpa advertise, still operate gihapun ang ilang led.

zidlakan

October 22nd, 2009, 11:15 AM

How can we buy your idea on BRT if you just dispose our arguments on the basis of 'word definition', 'technicality' and 'transportation science terminology'? My point is simple, you don't want it called a bus, then fine. Answer our concerns with merits of the proposal against the proven efficiency of an LRT.

sincerely ive been doing that for the last few months ... trying to painstakingly
explain the advantages and merits of the BRT over the LRT. i never said i don't
like the LRT (i use it every week), and i still consider it (all rail - heavy, light,
mass, subway, metro, mono) far much better than the other paratransit modes
- buses, minibuses, jeepneys, jitneys, tuk-tuks, songtiaos, taxis, in moving
huge number of people faster. it has serve mankind for so long along its evolu-
tion and will continue to. but BRTs have proven in many countries and many
cities to provide the same level of service at surprisingly much lower costs, and
it has added benefits, too, over the rail solutions - on-grade possibilities, far
cleaner emissions and smaller carbon footprint, easier integration to urban
planning and land use. examples of succeses in BRTs abound, and recently
in mexico, the success of Mexico City cause the national government to plan
BRTs for 20 more mexican cities in the next 10 years. clearly you can't just
discard the technology just because "its just a bus."

i am not disposing of any arguments against the BRT. what i find difficult to
answer and that's why i will prefer to keep my silence, is when people tell
me the disadvantages of the bus and say LRT is better. of course, LRT is
better than the bus. of course the bus could never compare with the LRT.
of course the bus has all its drawbacks in the modern world of public trans-
portation. but i'm not favoring the bus, i'm advocating for the BRT, which
for all intents and purposes, works exactly like the LRT, behaves like the
LRT, has all the features of an LRT, and has even more advantages in many
cases.

so please, if we exchange ideas between the LRT and BRT, let it be ideas
between LRT and BRT, not between the bus and LRT.

i'm not disposing arguments im simply saying i don't want to be drawn into
a protracted and obviously pointless argument between the bus and the
LRT because no.1) the bus will never win, and no. 2) i'm not for the bus.

i hope you understand.

ofw_cebu

October 22nd, 2009, 11:19 AM

RonnieR

October 22nd, 2009, 11:25 AM

sincerely ive been doing that for the last few months ... trying to painstakingly
explain the advantages and merits of the BRT over the LRT. i never said i don't
like the LRT (i use it every week), and i still consider it (all rail - heavy, light,
mass, subway, metro, mono) far much better than the other paratransit modes
- buses, minibuses, jeepneys, jitneys, tuk-tuks, songtiaos, taxis, in moving
huge number of people faster. it has serve mankind for so long along its evolu-
tion and will continue to. but BRTs have proven in many countries and many
cities to provide the same level of service at surprisingly much lower costs, and
it has added benefits, too, over the rail solutions - on-grade possibilities, far
cleaner emissions and smaller carbon footprint, easier integration to urban
planning and land use. examples of succeses in BRTs abound, and recently
in mexico, the success of Mexico City cause the national government to plan
BRTs for 20 more mexican cities in the next 10 years. clearly you can't just
discard the technology just because "its just a bus."

i am not disposing of any arguments against the BRT. what i find difficult to
answer and that's why i will prefer to keep my silence, is when people tell
me the disadvantages of the bus and say LRT is better. of course, LRT is
better than the bus. of course the bus could never compare with the LRT.
of course the bus has all its drawbacks in the modern world of public trans-
portation. but i'm not favoring the bus, i'm advocating for the BRT, which
for all intents and purposes, works exactly like the LRT, behaves like the
LRT, has all the features of an LRT, and has even more advantages in many
cases.

so please, if we exchange ideas between the LRT and BRT, let it be ideas
between LRT and BRT, not between the bus and LRT.

i'm not disposing arguments im simply saying i don't want to be drawn into
a protracted and obviously pointless argument between the bus and the
LRT because no.1) the bus will never win, and no. 2) i'm not for the bus.

i hope you understand.

Just curious. How long in terms of kms. the BRT for Cebu City?

RonnieR

October 22nd, 2009, 11:28 AM

.

anyway, enjoy your stay in cebu. will be back here nov. 2.

thanks...will stay in Cebu City for one day and few days in another place....long weekend next week.

dongRoy

October 22nd, 2009, 11:33 AM

dili. it's To Cebu, I remain. :) trademark na ni sir dongRoy. hehe

Hehe! wa lang nako butangi kay masobraan na unya sa drama. But, nonetheless-

To a better Cebu, I remain... :cheers:

bakasaurus

October 22nd, 2009, 11:59 AM

Hehe! wa lang nako butangi kay masobraan na unya sa drama. But, nonetheless-

To a better Cebu, I remain... :cheers:

Hapit gyud ko kahilak bai DOngRoy..

pero pagbutang nimo sa ending note, nitulo gyud ako luha..hahahaha:lol::lol:. J/K.

Bitaw nice wrap-up.

Mine would be:

1. Let the Studies finish before the decision is made. Humana ang election ani nga time, wala nay magcge ug grandstand ug papogi points.
2. Please no LRT/MRT along Jones and Fuente! BRT pwede kaayo oi!
3. Again, let the studies finish! Aron makakita ta ug proper figures. Apil na ang plete aron macompare ang duha (sa POV sa riders). At the end of it all, let us use science to make a decision, but still guided by ethics.

Sky Harbor

October 22nd, 2009, 12:26 PM

I have a better idea: adopt Sydney's model of suburban rail connected to a trans-Cebu railway network (this is commuter rail like PNR, not rapid transit like the LRT). The BRT lines can feed the suburban rail network and vice-versa. Think of it as BART feeding San Francisco's Muni Metro.

rustyboi

October 22nd, 2009, 01:23 PM

Thanks for the link pmarl! :cheers2:

CEBU MY ISLAND MY HOME :)

ig4KdXD5TPY&hl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig4KdXD5TPY

^^Wow, this has gotta be the best promotional video yet! But looks like done two years ago.

A photo of Cebu skyline doesn't have the Crown Regency Hotel and Towers yet. It didn't include The Terraces Ayala and Imperial Palace Resort. But still, I give the video 5 stars! :okay:

Ang_Bantayanon

October 22nd, 2009, 01:25 PM

The information campaign started by Zidlakan some weeks back is really paying off. Almost every SSC Cebu member, it seems, is going for BRT.
Anyway, I will go for BRT because it will trn out cheaper and
more practical for Cebu. LRT? Nindot na nga ideya pero murag
taas ra kaayo tag ihi ana para mangambisyon kay alkansihon
ra gyud na sa operating cost. Besides, pila ra may taw diri sa
Cebu ba.

Sinjin P.

October 22nd, 2009, 02:06 PM

Hiroshima

October 22nd, 2009, 03:14 PM

AMAZING

It took me a few hours to backread at least 20 pages.
Great exchange of ideas guys!
....

Unsa akong masulti?
Dili lang usa ko mag-apil-apil karon.
Kay gisapot ko sa COMELEC Lapu-Lapu.
Halos 7 hours ko didto pero,
Pabalikon pa ko ugma!
Hay, for now, I will log off sa
Kay basin naa ko'y masulti nga 'dili mao.
Once again, great job everyone! :)

God Bless sa imong pag linya sa COMELEC.

Paging kadtong wala pa naka register.... unsaon na lang inyong kandidato.

...Bitaw kapoy gyud mag back read.. pero informative.
We'll wait after 11 months...nig kahuman sa study sa World Bank.

AmbutLang

October 22nd, 2009, 03:21 PM

Can't a High Speed train run on a Heavy Line? I would think that the main difference between LRT and Heavy Rail and thus affecting ridership is the speed.
If so, can't the trains carrying commuters only be faster than cargo trains? I know there would be timing involved, but nothing that can't be worked out with proper scheduling.
What do you think?
:)

Heavy guage rail can do both that is the main purpose. This is the type which are being used here in the US. Amtrak, MTA Transit commuter and other US container cargo trains are using the Northeast corridor. Even Canada Rail is using them for the import-export cargoes. What make it easier for the train to go one behind the other is the signaling system so as to monitor if the track is being occupied and keep its distance between trains. Commuter and Amtrak have priority of the tracks. That is why there are lay-up tracks at certain location so as to let the Commuter and Amtrak trains go first. All these are controlled by the towers miles away.

AmbutLang

October 22nd, 2009, 03:45 PM

AMAZING

It took me a few hours to backread at least 20 pages.

Great exchange of ideas guys!

Na-educar pod intawn ko ug apil.

Hinaot lang nga wala'y magpersonalan.

Unsa akong masulti?

Dili lang usa ko mag-apil-apil karon.

Kay gisapot ko sa COMELEC Lapu-Lapu.

Halos 7 hours ko didto pero,

Pabalikon pa ko ugma!

Hay, for now, I will log off sa

Kay basin naa ko'y masulti nga 'dili mao.

Once again, great job everyone! :)

Waa diay voter registration by mail or email sa Pilipinas? Diri magparegister ka 4 months in advance unya padad-an langka notice murag post card one week before election nga adto sa voters precinto kay imong pangalan naa na sa record. :nuts:

GO BRT

zidlakan

October 22nd, 2009, 04:01 PM

ask lang ko sir Paul, kining sa London, BRT ba ni? the reason am asking kay, dili man gud tanan roads diri naay designated lanes for Buses, for roads that have four lanes, the 2 outermost are used for Buses(designated lanes), but for those with only two lanes, wlay designated bus lane pero upon approaching the Bus Stop (around 5-10 meters before sa stop) naay designated lane for Buses. . . sometimes, it can cause traffic, but often times they only stop for less than 2 minutes, so dili pod hassle....

difficult to assess, unless you get info on a lot of characteristics. the problem,
between the ordinary bus and the full BRT, there are a mix of busways and
bus systems with sophisticated elements. if you go back to the BRT planning
guide of the ITDP, or to the World Bank - Bus Rapid Transit Primer, there are
basically five (5) characteristics that define a BRT. these are basically found
in the Latin American BRTs and those being built in Asia right now (basically
China and India). North American BRT's usually have variations (the ameri-
cans don't want to look as if they're copying from South America), thus,
sometimes, they lose the efficiency distinctive of full BRTs. compunded to
the problem is emergence recently of what they call BRT Lite.

but to a layman, there's an easy way to determine that. if you ride in one
and it is no different from a rail transit (subway, LRT, metro), meaning it has
all the elements of rail and as fast as rail with the capacity of rail, then it
is a BRT. you can't determine the difference between the service levelsof
rail and a full BRT. TransMilenio, BRT of Bogota moves more people faster
than 95% of all rail systems in the world, LRT's included.

zidlakan

October 22nd, 2009, 04:19 PM

Just curious. How long in terms of kms. the BRT for Cebu City?

the one under WB study right now? - 15 km. but after the DOTC and it is
substantiated that the BRT is the better option for cebu, this automatically
goes up to 35 km. or more, though, its realization will depend on the agreement
of the other cities. the DOTC is already of the opinion that BRT will be the
better option but it needs a validation through the metro cebu public transport
strategic plan study. the result of the study will be the basis for fund sourcing
later but is the study itself - there are already the provision for pre-FS of
selected BRT routes.

as i said, the WB study is 15 km and has this general route (orange, blue, green):

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t63/pvillarete/CEBU-LRT/BRT03.gif

after the DOTC study which will include the pre-FS'es, the network will proba-
bly look like this (if the other cities would agree, of course, else the BRT will
just be in cebu city):

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t63/pvillarete/CEBU-LRT/BRT01.gif

that's something like 35 km. if things go well, this might increase to 50 km
or more after 10 years.

so_1

October 22nd, 2009, 04:31 PM

upon reading the latest posts here, i just can't help myself to share my thoughts. correct me if i'm wrong. I guess what @zidlakan wants to explain is BRT is not a bus in terms of operation but BRT is like LRT but the major difference is BRT is running on wheels and LRT on rails.

in other words, if you consider functionality BRT is the same as LRT.
what is debatable is the environment, ridership, the cost and efficiency, etc.
practically BRT on the edge. it's like buying a mercedes with a price of toyota.
it's a simple as that...

RonnieR

October 22nd, 2009, 04:41 PM

the one under WB study right now? - 15 km. but after the DOTC and it is
substantiated that the BRT is the better option for cebu, this automatically
goes up to 35 km. or more, though, its realization will depend on the agreement
of the other cities. the DOTC is already of the opinion that BRT will be the
better option but it needs a validation through the metro cebu public transport
strategic plan study. the result of the study will be the basis for fund sourcing
later but is the study itself - there are already the provision for pre-FS of
selected BRT routes.

as i said, the WB study is 15 km and has this general route (orange, blue, green):

after the DOTC study which will include the pre-FS'es, the network will proba-
bly look like this (if the other cities would agree, of course, else the BRT will
just be in cebu city):

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t63/pvillarete/CEBU-LRT/BRT01.gif

that's something like 35 km. if things go well, this might increase to 50 km
or more after 10 years.

thanks for the information...this is pretty good.

bakasaurus

October 22nd, 2009, 04:50 PM

Zuburbia

October 22nd, 2009, 04:53 PM

weeeee. gikilig ko ani. hahaha. can't wait! i hope naa ingon ana sa metro gaisano facade in the near future. :banana:

hala mao pod na akong gipangandoy sa una pa..kanang atubangan gyud sa metro gaisano colon, kanang gaatubang gyud sa dalan osmena blvrd...:banana:

bakasaurus

October 22nd, 2009, 04:56 PM

hala mao pod na akong gipangandoy sa una pa..kanang atubangan gyud sa metro gaisano colon, kanang gaatubang gyud sa dalan osmena blvrd...:banana:

Agree! Payter gyud kaayo na tanawn. Plus baga man gyud kaayo ang mga taw mangagi diha ug makakita sa LED so maximize gyud ang advertising.:)

SleMarKen

October 22nd, 2009, 04:57 PM

Sir paul tog sad panagsa wui....hehehe....

hala mao pod na akong gipangandoy sa una pa..kanang atubangan gyud sa metro gaisano colon, kanang gaatubang gyud sa dalan osmena blvrd...:banana:

Ahhh, dalia abot ahhh.... Sige, tabangi si Sir Paul....:okay:

leylander

October 22nd, 2009, 05:57 PM

Thanks for the link pmarl! :cheers2:

ig4KdXD5TPY

^^Wow, this has gotta be the best promotional video yet! But looks like done two years ago.

A photo of Cebu skyline doesn't have the Crown Regency Hotel and Towers yet. It didn't include The Terraces Ayala and Imperial Palace Resort. But still, I give the video 5 stars! :okay:

nindot bitaw siya sa... better gyud unta kung apil na ang crown regency plus their rides...

Jimbu

October 22nd, 2009, 07:34 PM

sa December groundbreaking na ..

The mayor revealed that Filinvest Land Inc. will have their groundbreaking ceremony in December while another investor will also pour funds into the SRP within this month.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=516728&publicationSubCategoryId=107#

SineBuano

October 22nd, 2009, 07:54 PM

Lahi man ang link mugawas bai bahin man in Sonny Osmeña;

"Former Senator Visits COMELEC: Sonny moving to Cebu City? "

cebuboi

October 22nd, 2009, 08:25 PM

^ how about ipil-ipil tree? ...kani, bisayang dako gyud ni nga kahoy... LOL!

die hard mas maau ang itanom dha para bisaya gyud kaau kay bulak sa utot utot...

cebuboi

October 22nd, 2009, 08:28 PM

sagbot. pero srp gihapon na oi. hahaha. ambot unsay name ana. ninbot baya siya tan-awon while magdrive diha. hehe

kuan ang tawag ana nga sagbot bay kay tigbaw...

concern

October 22nd, 2009, 08:35 PM

^^ indeed, i love it! nindot na promotional video..

Ex!lE

October 22nd, 2009, 08:53 PM

Lahi man ang link mugawas bai bahin man in Sonny Osmeña;

"Former Senator Visits COMELEC: Sonny moving to Cebu City? "

Former Senator Visits COMELEC: Sonny moving to Cebu City? (http://http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=516728&publicationSubCategoryId=107)
By Elly Bolonos (The Freeman) Updated October 23, 2009 12:00 AM

Former Senator John Osmeña (left) is greeted by election officer Marchel Sarno during his visit to Cebu City’s north district office of Commission on Elections yesterday morning. Osmeña, a registered voter in Toledo City, inquired about transferring his registration to Cebu City. FERDINAND EDRALIN
CEBU, Philippines - Former Senator John Henry “Sonny” Osmeña visited the office of the Commission on Elections (Comelec) of the North District of Cebu City further fueling speculations about his political plans.

Osmeña is currently a registered voter of Toledo City. He said the other day that among his options for 2010 would be to run for mayor either of Toledo or Cebu City, congressman of the 3rd District or governor of Cebu.

He inquired about the transfer of registration during his visit to Comelec and even asked for a registration form from election officer Marchel Sarno.

Osmeña said that he lived in barangay Kamputhaw when he served the city as councilor, vice mayor, congressman and mayor before he was elected as senator.

He said he wants to return to the barangay and will submit his registration form before the October 31 deadline.

The senator said that he started his political career in the city and he might as well end his service to the public for the rest of his life in the city.

“Dinhi ko nagsugod sa akong pagka-politiko, maingon man gani nato nga anhi lang nako ihalad ang katapusang mga tuig sa akong kinabuhi,” Osmeña said.

The estranged cousin of Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña said that he is more inclined to run for mayor of the city as there is much to be done.

He emphasized the South Road Properties (SRP) that needs priority and he will start here if he decides to run for mayor.

He would not however elaborate on the issues and said that he would answer them in due time.

Mayor Osmeña, who learned abou the former senator’s interest on the SRP, did not hide his displeasure.

This as Sonny was one of the staunch critics of the project in the past.

“Pulos estorya lang sila unsa may ilang nahimo ba? You know he has been attacking the SRP then now he wants to make it grow? Kung maminaw ko sa iyang gisulti ba maglabad lang ang akong ulo,” Mayor Osmeña said.

The mayor revealed that Filinvest Land Inc. will have their groundbreaking ceremony in December while another investor will also pour funds into the SRP within this month.
On the other hand, acting mayor Michael Rama sees no problem with the plan of the former senator and welcomes the transfer of his registration.

Rama who is also eying the mayoralty said that anyone can take any initiative towards that direction and he respects the move of the former senator.

The acting mayor considers Sonny as a formidable opponent if and when the former senator decides to run against him in next year’s election.

“Any person running should not be taken lightly because if and when they will run, they will always intend to win and anyone who intends to win should always stage and prepare for a fight, and that’s why no matter what, it should not be taken for granted,” Rama said.—/NLQ (FREEMAN NEWS

olineil

October 22nd, 2009, 11:17 PM

bisdakincanada

October 23rd, 2009, 12:22 AM

Hey! I love Manila! It's a very vibrant city.

I think it was @RonnieR who asked. I honestly don't have any idea why the City of Calgary will ultimately replace the BRT with the LRT. But if I were to hazard a guess I think it's because the LRT has ALMOST ZERO emission because it runs on wind energy. And also because, I think, the BRT is only somewhat of a prelude to get more transportation data for extending the LRT. But I could be wrong with these guesses.

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 01:03 AM

I particularly like the fact that it might include MEPZ and the Airport (and passes by our place near the new bridge hehehe). But really, for the commuters from the south to ride just 1 bus that goes directly to MEPZ without traffic is very promising. And of course, the airport!

Clarification Sir Paul, sa old bridge diay muagi? Maaccommodate ba sa old bridge ang buses and also the private vehicles? Abi man gud nako sa new bridge muagi kay murag BRT ready kaayo.

actually, its not absolutely necessary to place dedicated lanes on bridges (and
flyovers for that matter). i asked the consultants this and they said mixed
lanes are allowed in certain cases such as bridges, unless you really have such
a wide bridge where you have the luxury of having an exclusive lane. the choice
of bridges in this case is not yet determined. yes, the advantage of the new
bridge is that it is 4 lanes, but the advantage of the old bridge is that it lands
closer to the city center, and will benefit non-airport and non-MEPZ people.

MEPZ is really identified due to mayor osmena's insistence. and rightly so -
the primary consideration of nodal/station location is data from origin-desti-
nation (OD) which also measures home-to-work trips. MEPZ has 60,000
employees (latest count, don't know now naa may nang retrench). that's
20,000 per shift. if even half of that goes home to the mainland, that's
10,000 passengers every 8 hours already.

anyway decisions will have to be made after the study.

and we don't even know if lapu-lapu will agree. di man ta mamugos di pareho
anang ubang congressman nga 5% ray ridership unya maoy magbuot ...

bisdakincanada

October 23rd, 2009, 01:29 AM

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 01:36 AM

Anybody know what Gullas's proposed LRT looks like? I mean there are all these photos of aesthetically attractive and unattractive LRT systems. What about the one that Gullas is proposing? Maybe it's more on the pleasing side?

And what is the overall scope of the proposal? Does it include turning the islands into beautiful gardens? Maybe? Build architecturally superior and sustainable LRT stations? Maybe? Build an LRT system that runs on wind energy? Maybe?

Or maybe not?

Do you have any information on this, @zidlakan? Did the proposal cover this? And were you able to skim it?

Anyway, just an FYI. I'm just asking about the architecture side of the proposal out of curiosity. And maybe a bit of the technology too.

they have not gone into the detailed engineering stage yet. what they have
provided us is the Executive Summary of their proposal which shows the
alignment, the location of the stations, not the layout of each station, and
the financials. actually what is important at this stage is the financials
because that's what will be discussed in the ICC for the feasibility to be
determined. i can show the ES if you see me in the office but i am not sure
i am allowed to post it here ...

edit:

maybe i can share a bit of the technology later ... like train types and
dimensions/capacity, speed, pero later na. im in a rush. the World Bank
is holding its Kick-off Meeting this morning for the BRT study. so i will
just post that as well, ... maybe tomorrow.

bisdakincanada

October 23rd, 2009, 01:59 AM

^^^^

Ok cool. Thanks. Looking forward to it.

I'd love to visit Cebu again and go to the City Hall and Magellan's Cross and the Basilica and the Cathedral and have coffee at that cafe across from the old MCWD building (I hope the cafe is still there). But I'm stuck here. :cry::cry::cry:

viva la raza

October 23rd, 2009, 02:37 AM

One thing that is rather obvious during the last 30 pages of this thread is that, the SSC forum members who were PRESENT during the BRT seminar last Sept. 26 are 100% in favor of the BRT. I was reviewing the presentation materials which I have right now and I realized that the woes of some close-minded LRT proponents are being addressed in many of the slides. I realized that some proponents of the $602-Million system are just simply uninformed about the system. Even several writers from the print media, especially in the opinions section would still need to be properly informed of this "NEW" mode of transportation.

If one would have been comprehensively informed about the whole system, where in such information is acquired through diligent research, or in the case of SSC-Cebu, through seminars and not just from pictures and videos, then one would easily understand the benefits that can be brought by the Bus Rapid Transit.

Many of the points presented by those posters who are clearly experts in the field of urban planning, transportation, technology and politics are all valid. Some who are not really in the said fields are just commenting on what they "feel" or what they see right in front of them and we can not blame them because this particular issue can only be intelligently debated and discussed by people who have first hand experience in this type of undertaking.

At any rate, I guess one thing that the BRT proponents should realize that Light Rail is not all that bad. It's sophisticated, it has been advancing in terms of technology, it also presents a lot of valid long term benefits. It's just that we understand that based from the proposal of DOTC, it wouldn't really do good at all for Cebu City and for the Cebuanos. There could have been several ways to make it better, a better proposal like those presented by @Eastern Dragon, but at the end of the day, if we allow DOTC to push through with their proposed project, then in my opinion, I guess we would just have to say goodbye to beautiful Cebu.

To the LRT proponents on the other hand, try to study and research some more about BRT. I have with me a number of the presentation files from the seminar, I guess this is public property, you could get a copy of it if you want, send me a PM and we'll arrange a meeting para akong mahatag ninyo. Read through the slides and try to understand and envision the society this whole concept of BRT is trying to create or would usher in. And if you are like me or many others in the forums or even those outside the forums, who dream of equality, who dream of a genuinely democratic society, then I guess your minds would also be opened. Believe me, many of your woes like narrow roads and maintenance and costs and equipment types are all in these files so perhaps you might wanna take a chance to learn from this.

Personally, the reason why I was brought to the skyscrapercity forums a couple of years ago was because of a google search I made when I was stationed outside Cebu City. The google search I made was: Plans for Light Rail Transit for Cebu City. Google took me to this sight. I read through some articles and I read somewhere that Tomas Osmeña is proposing this Bus Transit system. I said to myself, why would Tomas always endorse projects that are low end? And what came to my mind is similar to what @viva la raza has always been ranting about, the Kaoshiong Buses. But that was only because I know nothing about BRTs back then.

Ultimately, I guess we all agree that there is a dire need for a public transport for Cebu City. (Ay, not all diay kay naa may usa nga nivote ug None of the above) I think this would be my last post about the issue on BRT and LRT and after having read all the discussions, I stand firm in my belief, that as an advocate of

TOURISM (to be able to go around the city in a very pleasant manner),
URBAN DEVELOPMENT (to live in a city where urban living is synonymous to safe communities for the most vulnerable citizens: the children, the elderly and the PWDs, an unpolluted atmosphere, efficient mobility and a people-friendly community where children can run around and play outside),
HERITAGE PRESERVATION (nga dili gub-on ang Osmeña Blvd. ug Fuente Osmeña)\
and
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION (to aim for car use reduction and to effectively reduce fossil fuel consumption),
FOR CEBU, I believe that the Bus Rapid Transit System is the best Transit system for a City that was built 400-years ago. A city where the streets were originally built for people and not for cars. A city that was built long before cars even existed. A city of humble dwellers, who only want to live in dignity, simplicity and equality.

Nindot nga pagkahan-ay El Presidente.:lol: My posts are maybe unpopular but I'll continue because these are the common sentiments of the uninformed majority like me. for instance, those pictures of BRT's, even if you show it to small kids, even the morons, definitely they'll tell you its a bus. Now, if transportation science calls it otherwise, then dodong and juan should be educated about it because at the end of the day, they will be the ones who will either enjoy or suffer the consequences of what those in government decides for them now. ::)

viva la raza

October 23rd, 2009, 03:01 AM

when there's BRT Lane, jeepneys are restricted. It's not that we're adding BRT. we're replacing Jeepneys with BRT.

about sa LRT, we're adding overhead railways sa existing roads. So in effect, traffic gihapon ang ubos sa LRT kay naa man gihapon jeepneys and ordinary buses, plus mudaghan pa jud samot ang private cars. so whether we like it or not, having an LRT in Cebu will make our city similar to Manila. for BRT? we can be like Bogota, Mexico, Brisbane or Vienna. or an improved version of Jakarta. :okay:

I particularly like the fact that it might include MEPZ and the Airport (and passes by our place near the new bridge hehehe). But really, for the commuters from the south to ride just 1 bus that goes directly to MEPZ without traffic is very promising. And of course, the airport!

Clarification Sir Paul, sa old bridge diay muagi? Maaccommodate ba sa old bridge ang buses and also the private vehicles? Abi man gud nako sa new bridge muagi kay murag BRT ready kaayo.

actually, its not absolutely necessary to place dedicated lanes on bridges (and
flyovers for that matter). i asked the consultants this and they said mixed
lanes are allowed in certain cases such as bridges, unless you really have such
a wide bridge where you have the luxury of having an exclusive lane. the choice
of bridges in this case is not yet determined. yes, the advantage of the new
bridge is that it is 4 lanes, but the advantage of the old bridge is that it lands
closer to the city center, and will benefit non-airport and non-MEPZ people.

MEPZ is really identified due to mayor osmena's insistence. and rightly so -
the primary consideration of nodal/station location is data from origin-desti-
nation (OD) which also measures home-to-work trips. MEPZ has 60,000
employees (latest count, don't know now naa may nang retrench). that's
20,000 per shift. if even half of that goes home to the mainland, that's
10,000 passengers every 8 hours already.

anyway decisions will have to be made after the study.

and we don't even know if lapu-lapu will agree. di man ta mamugos di pareho
anang ubang congressman nga 5% ray ridership unya maoy magbuot ...

There you go. How can BRT be a mass transit system then if it is also subject to traffic congestion at certain choke points. I can just imagine those mammoth vehicles at the foot of the old bridge during peak hours mixing it up with the multicabs, private cars and even motorcycles. Not to mention the crossing pedestrians from the university across. Even the Marcelo Fernan bridge can't afford to allocate a separate lane for those things. Imbis madali, malangay ta ug samot ana.

rustyboi

October 23rd, 2009, 03:21 AM

dongRoy

October 23rd, 2009, 03:41 AM

Nindot nga pagkahan-ay El Presidente.:lol: My posts are maybe unpopular but I'll continue because these are the common sentiments of the uninformed majority like me. for instance, those pictures of BRT's, even if you show it to small kids, even the morons, definitely they'll tell you its a bus. Now, if transportation science calls it otherwise, then dodong and juan should be educated about it because at the end of the day, they will be the ones who will either enjoy or suffer the consequences of what those in government decides for them now.::)

Fair enough bai @viva la raza. That is why the group has committed to become part of the advocacy. The proponents understand that kinahanglan dyud ieducate ang mga tao aning concept nga bag-o kaayo para nato. Ang nahitabo lang nato karong panahona nga maong puwerte kaayo natong lalis, kay di-a man guy DOTC, AMA ug Gullas nga gitiming dyud magpagawas ug balita ug proposal sa usa ka critical nga panahon. Duna na gud unta'y study nga underway na, mismo DOTC niendorse pud sa study unya karon nalang jud sila maghara-hara nga hapit na elections?

Of course, we can not help but take a stand kay the BRT proponents have understood the benefits of BRT over the LRT. Dili man puwede nga dili ta magpakabana kay, as what you've said, we will be the ones who will either enjoy or suffer the consequences of what those in government decides for us now. And here comes, the Congressman and DOTC making rush decisions for us.

Anyway, if we would have time, I'd be happy to show you and give you some of the materials.

EDIT: At any rate, if mugawas sa study nga dili diay feasible ang BRT, then mag LRT ta gud. Pero, mind you me, the way national government implements projects, expect that Metro Cebu will be following the footsteps of Metro Manila. Love it, hate it, you decide.

Sleepwalker

October 23rd, 2009, 04:29 AM

^^The combination of two Osmenas, a Rama and possible a Garcia running for Cebu City mayor will make this coming election exciting. Same thing in the province, with probable battle between Garcia vs. Davide vs. Durano... :)

Wind Shear

October 23rd, 2009, 04:30 AM

At any rate, if mugawas sa study nga dili diay feasible ang BRT, then mag LRT ta gud. Pero, mind you me, the way national government implements projects, expect that Metro Cebu will be following the footsteps of Metro Manila. Love it, hate it, you decide.

To add with, I don't want Metro Cebu to be like Metro Manila. Many regular forum members on this thread are fighting for it (pardon my weasel word).

Not to mention that one of the Cebu City Government and Cebu Provincial Government goals is to be self-sustainable LGU. In other words dili na ta mosalig sa National Government when it comes to infrastructure projects.

Before Thread 90 closes, I made up my mind that I go for BRT.

vatics

October 23rd, 2009, 04:40 AM

^^ in short, dili ta mosunod sa metro manila... kundi sila ang mosunod nato! cebu is no. 1 because we are one. - gov. gwen garcia

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 04:54 AM

EDIT: At any rate, if mugawas sa study nga dili diay feasible ang BRT, then mag LRT ta gud. Pero, mind you me, the way national government implements projects, expect that Metro Cebu will be following the footsteps of Metro Manila. Love it, hate it, you decide.

@dongRoy
maayo untang dili na mahitabo bay nga mahimo tang parehas lang sa manila. nangandoy intawn ko nga puhon maka-uli ko sa cebu ug anha na puyo, dugay-dugay pa noon na nga plano pero kung mura na unya tag manila, dili na lang ko.

HER

October 23rd, 2009, 05:08 AM

how about putting a railway system from the north to the south tip of the island of cebu just my dream that way commuting would only takes 1 hour from bantayan to santander :)---> just my dream hehe

ipjBtBR6gCM

sakto gyud ka bro. adto na nila ibutang ang LRT sa bukid from santander to daan bantayan para dili madaut ang view sa metro cebu.

naa say punto si @east dragon:

mas paspas ang LRT unya angayan siya ug long distance travel pero mas importante man gud ang nindot nga view sa cebu nga magpabilin. kung underground hinuon, pwede kaayo na. pero kung parehas lang kanang naa sa manila, maayo pay walay LRT.:nuts:

Eastern Dragon

October 23rd, 2009, 05:46 AM

Wind Shear

October 23rd, 2009, 05:47 AM

dabert

October 23rd, 2009, 06:07 AM

FOr me, when talking about the "best" mode of mass transport system in Cebu City, even in Metro Cebu as a whole, that would be a monorail. Here's why:

1. THe main advantage of a monorail is it's design. Many people here loathe over the LRT because of its ugly design (basing on what we usually see in MM) in nature. But the monorail requires only a single beam of concrete (which is usually just 2 to 3 feet in width) for a single rail. Yes, it is indeed chic and very cosmopolitan to look at yet maintaining the tropical feel of Cebu. It can even perfectly fit in Colon and other downtown areas. Here is an example:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/SydneyMonorail1_gobeirne.jpg/800px-SydneyMonorail1_gobeirne.jpg

And it can even be placed at the side near the sidewalks in case if it has to pass Osmeña Blvd, and not necessarily pass thru the tree-lined center island:

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/Travel/Pacific/SydneyMonorail.jpg

2. The monorail, unlike the BRT (which is on-grade most of the time), is usually elevated. This warrants a very tremendous advantage for the monorail (or for an LRT that is elevated) over the BRT since the flow of the coaches of the trains is virtually continuous and can never be impeded by vehicular traffic below especially when transversing intersections. And another thing, the track, obviously, can never be passed or plied by private vehicles unlike the BRT, just as what we have seen in Jakarata's. THe image below shows how it can seamlessly cross intersections.

http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/seattle-monorail-ohd-intersection.jpg
(see, it can even perfectly fit 4-lane roads. i can already imagine it passing thru Escario, Gorordo, and Archbishop Reyes.)

3. It doesn't have to sacrifice 2 precious lanes to accomodate the huge buses for the BRT. It only requires the width similar to a center island. Instead of sacrificing 2 lanes, why not dedicate those to expand the sidewalks for pedestrians and even for bicycles. Now that's what I call a green city. hehe. Look at the picture below and see how it only requires minimal space and yet accomodate two tracks.

http://www.akbrian.net/pics/2004/Seattle/monorail2.jpg
(again, looks perfectly fine for narrow streets)

4. MMhh, although it is a bit more expensive than a BRT, it is considerably cheaper than an LRT. Although there are a multitude of factors to consider of how a monorail (and any transport system for that matter), it basically ranges from $10M/km to $30M/km.

5. A monorail train is quieter and safer since it uses rubber wheels on concrete tracks and possibility of derailment is virtually zero. Watch the video below and listen to the sound while the monorail passes.

n3lKlyPfFXo

The only reason why I support the BRT is the cost, nothing else. :)

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 06:13 AM

If Mr. Gullas wants LRT to traverse the entire Cebu Province, I rather follow the suggestion of Atty. Sepulveda (sp?): Heavy Rail. At least dili lang pang-commuter ang gamit sa riles, pang-karga pa.

Imagine, the vegetables transporting from Dalaguete to Cebu via train, or mga baning from Barili, or tuba from Dumanjug :D. Or even going to Carcar to shop some chicaron and footwear. Or to Sibonga for the devotees. Or Argao to shop special bibingka. :) Possibilities are nearly endless.

That spells the revival of Cebu Railways. :D

You mean PNR Visayas (there's Panay Railways too). :okay:

But at any rate, Cebu (both the city and the province) will need to think ahead to get ahead. An integrated transport network mixing heavy rail, rapid transit/monorail and BRT will work wonders for the city and the province as whole, at least from what I can see from similar networks abroad (Bangkok, Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur are good examples). The high capex will definitely reap profits if the networks are well-planned, well-implemented and well-patronized.

Now please add a "Both" option to the survey! :colgate:

RonnieR

October 23rd, 2009, 06:18 AM

nice exchange of ideas.

i arrived in cebu last night and took a little walk along jones a while ago.

the sun is shining. people are smiling.

mao lami gyud ang cebu.

i hope we can make jones avenue, at least from capitol to fuente more pedestrian friendly.

ronnie. do you have pics of the renovated streets in QC.

the one with red bricks ang sidewalks. i hope we renovate our streets here like that.

lesser impervious surface means lesser impact of urban heat island effect.

Enjoy your stay.

These are the renovated sidewalks of Timog. They did the same in Tomas Morato and I think in West Avenue also.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/3284174480_f433091331.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27529349@N07/

nice rehabilitation done of sidewalks/parking in Timog
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3462/3284174694_c9278c9485.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/3283354483_1d09dcfaa2.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3566/3553394510_6d8d267b15.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27529349@N07/

Sleepwalker

October 23rd, 2009, 06:24 AM

Enjoy your stay.

These are the renovated sidewalks of Timog. They did the same in Tomas Morato and I think in West Avenue also.

Thanks for the photos @RonnieR...I also have the same wish with @Eastern Dragon...Hope to see the Osmena Blvd and Colon stretch with bricks sidewalk.

RE: On BRT/LRT thing

I still stand firm and i can see a better Cebu with the BRT + Trans-axial Highway combo...Trans-axial highway will not only connect the north and south of Cebu, but it will also introduce irrigation system for farmers and wind turbines for power generation.

At this point of time, LRT is redundant.

RonnieR

October 23rd, 2009, 06:27 AM

^^ welcome..more (last set) on the renovated sidewalks:
Tomas Morato, Quezon City
by: http://gimikainan2.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/lunch-tempura-tomas-morato-09/
http://food.clickthecity.com/b/uL170c0
http://www.ourawesomeplanet.com/awesome/gimmick_spots_tomas_morato_quezon_city/

http://gimikainan2.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/cimg8603.jpg?w=500&h=375

http://gimikainan2.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/cimg8621.jpg?w=500&h=375

http://gallery.clickthecity.com/albums/userpics/10003/FlavoursOfChina_ThompsonSquare_TomasMoratoCorDonRocess_QC_c.JPG

^^ Thanks! Here's another one!
from: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/132795470_805c9696d8.jpg
http://traveleronfoot.files.wordpress.com

http://traveleronfoot.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/sampaloc-ave-1.jpg?w=392&h=523

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/132795470_805c9696d8.jpg

SineBuano

October 23rd, 2009, 06:52 AM

Salamat. I was expecting the whole article to be about the Filinvest development at SRP, part ra diay.

technoblaze

October 23rd, 2009, 06:53 AM

Blurring the Light Rail Transit–Bus Rapid Transit Boundaries
..peace :)
Reference:
http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/circulars/ec058/05_LIGHT%20RAIL%20AND%20OTHER%20MODES.pdf

..my analysis.
List..
BRT provides conventional or articulated buses, which have lower capacity but can operate at higher frequency,

LRT achieves high capacity by operating large vehicles operating in trains but in lower frequency

BRT can have shared or dedicated Lane
LRT has a dedicated Overhead or Underground Rail

BRT can be rerouted depending on the needs of the times
LRT simply is nailed to the ground

Both have Terminals

Operational Cost

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3002/63993551.jpg
From Figure 2 BRT would have the lowest operating cost by inference, in cases of hourly demand below 1,500 passengers per hour in one direction

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1279/94919835.jpg
In Figure 3. This shows that in all the cases examined BRT would be the less expensive approach. But For a corridor expected to grow quickly into the realm of high bus operating costs, (above 2,000 Passengers/hr) and the need to achieve higher capacity, conversion to LRT is anticipated.

in terms of COST,

LRT good for areas with highly dense commuter travel rates in the realm of 2,000 passengers per hour+/-(may vary be city)

mwg12a

October 23rd, 2009, 07:07 AM

FOr me, when talking about the "best" mode of mass transport system in Cebu City, even in Metro Cebu as a whole, that would be a monorail. Here's why:

:)

Monorails are nice and all, that's for sure, but, it doesn't hold as many passengers as BRT or LRT. It's not really all about just to have a transport system with an intention to beautify the place and make it like it seems very modern and updated technology wise. Things like these are considered as a mass mover for an ever growing population. This is why you see monorails mostly in theme parks and airport terminals while LRT and rail systems like subways are for public use in general

I believe monorails are slightly cheaper to built than LRT but still more expensive comparing to BRT. The whole idea is to create an effective mode of transportation for the public which the monorail can possibly assume the same role as well, it's just that, it is not enough to address a possible problem once the population of Cebu double in the near future. This is just something inevitable, alot of times, progress equates migration and population explotion.

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 07:32 AM

@Sleepwalker
Thanks for the photos @RonnieR...I also have the same wish with @Eastern Dragon...Hope to see the Osmena Blvd and Colon stretch with bricks sidewalk.

Permeable interlocking concrete pavers would be good to use and not ordinary clay brick pavers. it is fully pervious (reduces runoff and eventualy sewer upset conditions will be avoided) it does not bounce off heat, etc, etc, it is the most environmentally friendly type of surface paving.

i know its OT, but just a heads up on the best paving materials.

Henz

October 23rd, 2009, 07:43 AM

To add with, I don't want Metro Cebu to be like Metro Manila. Many regular forum members on this thread are fighting for it (pardon my weasel word).

Not to mention that one of the Cebu City Government and Cebu Provincial Government goals is to be self-sustainable LGU. In other words dili na ta mosalig sa National Government when it comes to infrastructure projects.

Before Thread 90 closes, I made up my mind that I go for BRT.

Thank you for you decision bai.. Let us enjoin fellow Cebuanos to work for a better Cebu!!!!:banana:

RonnieR

October 23rd, 2009, 07:45 AM

@Sleepwalker

Permeable interlocking concrete pavers would be good to use and not ordinary clay brick pavers. it is fully pervious (reduces runoff and eventualy sewer upset conditions will be avoided) it does not bounce off heat, etc, etc, it is the most environmentally friendly type of surface paving.

i know its OT, but just a heads up on the best paving materials.

That's the one used in QC sidewalks. It looks like bricks lang but they are permeable interlocking concrete paver. Not the clay - tagal ng sira yan hehehe, they are used also as parking slots. I'm not sure if it's Cemex supplied the materials....I've read it before...somewhere.

Henz

October 23rd, 2009, 07:46 AM

weewit

October 23rd, 2009, 07:50 AM

I tried red kimono, the service is worst. wa gyuy ayo. in fairness, the waiter tried hard, but grabe gyuy ka way gana ang service. the manager was not even professional enough to apologize for the bad service. tried canvass that same day, layo ra gyud ang red kimono. the service and the food of Canvass is way better, the price is fair. they are all very service oriented. Lami pa gyud. maybe still new ang red kimono, but Canvass is new too. just want to share with every food lovers. :)

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 07:52 AM

That's the one used in QC sidewalks. It looks like bricks lang but they are permeable interlocking concrete paver. Not the clay - tagal ng sira yan hehehe, they are used also as parking slots. I'm not sure if it's Cemex supplied the materials....I've read it before...somewhere.

@RonnieR

that's good, i would absolutely go for that for our sidewalks in cebu or even light parking areas in cebu business park

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 23rd, 2009, 08:31 AM

[QUOTE=rustyboi;44994030]when there's BRT Lane, jeepneys are restricted. It's not that we're adding BRT. we're replacing Jeepneys with BRT.

about sa LRT, we're adding overhead railways sa existing roads. So in effect, traffic gihapon ang ubos sa LRT kay naa man gihapon jeepneys and ordinary buses, plus mudaghan pa jud samot ang private cars. so whether we like it or not, having an LRT in Cebu will make our city similar to Manila. for BRT? we can be like Bogota, Mexico, Brisbane or Vienna. or an improved version of Jakarta. :okay:

right sir, there would still be traffic below the LRT because it doesn't directly solve traffic, it just simply avoided traffic by going up and run smoothly but hey, we are not here to propose something without solving the real problem which is worsening traffic. Our goal here is to lessen traffic caused by too many jeepneys, buses, trucks, and private cars in our seemingly narrow roads and bec. this is the case, i think and a lot of us think that BRT can solve these things.

LRT can't do anything about jeepney reduction and other modes of transportation bec. LRTs don't consider social integration. i mean, LRTs don't help jeepney drivers at all bec. LRTs don't hire them to work bec. LRTs are run by electricity thus you don't help jeepney drivers improve their lives. whereas the BRT, you are presenting to them a better alternative for them to have a more decent and stable life because those who will be chosen will be incorporated in the BRT system bec. they will be the ones to move these bus coaches. I mean, we have seen in recent media reports that transport groups are already supportive of the BRT system bec. it can help them improve their lives for the better. with proper training and seminar, these prospective jeepney drivers will no longer be just ordinary drivers striving to work hard day by day with their jeepneys but instead, they'd have a more decent work, nice income and a bright future for their families.

well i agree that you can't all the way eradicate jeepneys bec. it has been there ever since but the point here is that, you want to minimizing vehicular traffic in areas that would be served by the BRT. i know you know that one of the factors that causes heavy traffic in cebu city its bec. of too many jeepneys competing with too many private vehicles as well. now if you can at least minimize those jeepneys plying these same routes and replaced it with BRT coaches, then perhaps we could save at least 4-5 jeepneys already for one BRT coach. that in a way, can reduce traffic volume.

and with regards to private cars, diba private transport must be second only to public transport? that should be the case sir. you should first prioritize public transport before private cars! that's the problem of us man gud, mga ambisyoso man gud kaayo tang mga pinoy na gusto gyud managiya og awto pero im not saying its bad to own cars ha bec. its an investment pero huna-hunaon pud nato na the public must be the first one to benefit from govt. projects & infrastructure and not those projects that benefit the private transport by building wide and huge highways to accommodate them.

now if naay 1 BRT lane and the remaining 2 lanes are dedicated to private transport, let BRT travel smoothly with no traffic bec. that should be how public transport is, the public must come first and let those private cars suffer from heavy traffic so that they'd soon realize its better to ride public transport than private transport thus in a way, you are helping minimize traffic volume, less pollution, and less energy consumption.

vicven2

October 23rd, 2009, 09:04 AM

^^ welcome..more (last set) on the renovated sidewalks:

This (colored concrete pavers) would look beautiful in cebu.
I just have one major sore point. The sidewalk should never be violated. It should be there and it should be reserved for walking pedestrians. What with the signboards and the parked cars?
Sadly, this is common in the philippines. Car owners park their cars on sidewalks so they don't get hit by other cars. But what about the pedestrians who now have to walk on the road? I.D.I.O.T.S!!!!

*I understand we have to have compassion for vendors, but they may only be in places with wide sidewalks, and an inviolate space must be reserved for pedestrians. Problem is that you give vendors an inch, and they take over the entire area. And not just vendors but business owners as well, who think of the sidewalk as an extension of their stores. Again, Idiots!

Sorry for venting. Back to my hole... :D

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 23rd, 2009, 09:44 AM

sakto gyud ka bro. adto na nila ibutang ang LRT sa bukid from santander to daan bantayan para dili madaut ang view sa metro cebu.

LRT sa bukid sir? i don't think so. basin maalkanse ang LRT coz no one will patronize on that. LRTs are only viable in large, overpopulated megacities where people are in the rush of things. when you think of rural, you think about goods and cargoes and LRTs don't move cargoes, they move people.

remember that Manila LRTs don't go to the nearby provinces. it is only confined in the metro.

naa say punto si @east dragon:

mas paspas ang LRT unya angayan siya ug long distance travel pero mas importante man gud ang nindot nga view sa cebu nga magpabilin. kung underground hinuon, pwede kaayo na. pero kung parehas lang kanang naa sa manila, maayo pay walay LRT.:nuts:

LRTs are only good for those places that are too big and highly urbanized like metro manila. metro cebu, which includes towns that aren't even cities are neither too big nor too urbanized.

leylander

October 23rd, 2009, 09:55 AM

Im for BRT. But if the LRT rails would look like this, I'd change my mind. :lol:

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/09.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/15.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/01.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/02.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/03.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/04.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/05.jpg

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 10:08 AM

There you go. How can BRT be a mass transit system then if it is also subject to traffic congestion at certain choke points. I can just imagine those mammoth vehicles at the foot of the old bridge during peak hours mixing it up with the multicabs, private cars and even motorcycles. Not to mention the crossing pedestrians from the university across. Even the Marcelo Fernan bridge can't afford to allocate a separate lane for those things. Imbis madali, malangay ta ug samot ana.

if you read closely what i wrote, i said "it might not be ABSOLUTELY necessary,"
and things like "might be allowed." i didn't say are not necessary and will be
allowed. my problem here is that things that i say are not interpreted as they
are. it should have meant that, dependent on the prevailing conditions, and
depending on the study, the dedicated lanes may, or may not be placed on the
bridge.

but so much for that. i guess your opinion is that it is better that we build
a new third bridge in order to let the LRT cross to mactan.

ever wonder why the LRT proposal ends in mandaue when the ridership
could have boosted if we extended it to MEPZ? because the proponent
didn't want to build a bridge! not even in phase 2 and 3 - no they didn't
include mactan island. so they forever have to use jeepneys in going to
the mainland ...

sometimes we can learn so many things from the proposal alone. all phase
1, phase 2 and phase 3, have no provision for LRT extention to mactan! so
you prefer that oponganons continue to use the jeepneys in the next 10
years or more because you don't want the BRT to get delayed on the bridge?

betro

October 23rd, 2009, 10:53 AM

Salamat. I was expecting the whole article to be about the Filinvest development at SRP, part ra diay.

Ayaw kabalaka bai inig balik ni mayor tom he will divulge new SRP investors sa press conference. :cheers:

Henz

October 23rd, 2009, 11:01 AM

betro

October 23rd, 2009, 11:10 AM

Hiroshima

October 23rd, 2009, 11:22 AM

^^
wow! refreshing kaau. Nindot man diay on-grade ng MRT/LRT.. basta daghan grass. Murag delikado man if naa diri oi.. kay daghan baglungon.. daghan gyud maligsan.. hehehe

RonnieR

October 23rd, 2009, 11:47 AM

leylander: I like those photos of ground level LRT. I think it's in a developed country. People are disciplined, with high GDP per capita. I'm afraid our citizens would be exposed to risks of accidents. Remember, there are no barriers there. I don't know if Cebuanos strictly follow the traffic signs. I just hope so.

Henz

October 23rd, 2009, 12:08 PM

Mora sya ug LRT and BRT combined........... hehe

rustyboi

October 23rd, 2009, 12:23 PM

ofw_cebu

October 23rd, 2009, 12:50 PM

maparehas kaha ang SRP sa kanang banner karon?

ofw_cebu

October 23rd, 2009, 12:51 PM

Ayaw kabalaka bai inig balik ni mayor tom he will divulge new SRP investors sa press conference. :cheers:

e PM bai beh ang edivulge ni Mayor Tom, hehehe

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 23rd, 2009, 12:57 PM

redjieredz

October 23rd, 2009, 01:44 PM

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 01:45 PM

Im for BRT. But if the LRT rails would look like this, I'd change my mind. :lol: leylander: I like those photos of ground level LRT. I think it's in a developed country. People are disciplined, with high GDP per capita. I'm afraid our citizens would be exposed to risks of accidents. Remember, there are no barriers there. I don't know if Cebuanos strictly follow the traffic signs. I just hope so.

i'd change my mind, to, he he he ... but if ...

if we are a developed country (these are probably england), and
if we have a GDP more than US$50,000 per capita, he he he (which means
we really can afford it ... (but) :D

but there are a few things we can learn from these ...

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/09.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/15.jpg

notice the right of way allocation. the corridor width allocated to the train
is much wide than those for cars at the sides. how i wish we could be as
rich we could afford to do that ....

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/01.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/03.jpg

note the sidewalks beside the corridor. as RonnieR pointed out, there are
no barriers and these are immediately beside the tracks. even if the citizens
are disciplined, its still very dangerous to have LRT trains pass through here.
my guess would be these are service trains and not high speed urban light
rail.

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/04.jpg

http://acidcow.com/content/img/new01/01/05.jpg

notice the grass covering the railroad bed. my take is that these are not
high-speed, high frequency service, trains.

but yes, i'd really like to have these kinds of transport in a suburban com-
munity. i bet its enjoyable and refreshing to take an afternoon ride on these
train ... even if you have nothing to do but ride the trains.

it might not fit what we are talking about in terms of urban transport but,
well, we can dream, can't we? i wish cebu is rich enough to afford these
kinds of comfort. sa SRP kaha? hahayzzzz, di guihapon ta ka afford. these
trains would be great if it goes around cebu business park, right?

ZenChedi

October 23rd, 2009, 01:46 PM

A very interesting exchange of ideas here, but unfortunately it's hard for me to make a stand now having read all the pros and cons of both the BRT and LRT/MRT while the media, vultures as they are, overlook the merits of both systems and instead focus on the politics behind the systems making it harder for the public who rely heavily on newspapers, tv and radio to make a stand..

In other news, JCI accreditation for Chong Hua Hospital has just finished its final round today and the news is out here in the hospital.. CHH has just been accredited making it the 3rd hospital in the Philippines and the only hospital outside Metro Manila to be JCI accredited (along with St. Lukes Medical Center, and The Medical City), which means we now have a hospital that's very well equipped for medical tourism (JCI accreditation allows some international health plans to be used here, and foreign patients usually go to JCI accredited hospitals)

Zuburbia

October 23rd, 2009, 01:54 PM

right! dili ni pwede sa cebu bai kay ang kadaghanan sa mga taw dili musunod og traffic rules. hehehe

Oki raman tingali kung butangan og fence..hehe...

Zuburbia

October 23rd, 2009, 02:04 PM

@dong Roy i dont know if i presented this right. I just finished laying out the plan that you talked about yesterday for the stations along N. Baclaso Avenue or the south highway...correct me if im wrong.. ;-)

Schematic plan of the N. Bacalso BRT station....(personal idea of dongroy)

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/BRTstationplan-ModelEDITED.jpg

Sleepwalker

October 23rd, 2009, 03:11 PM

^^
wow! refreshing kaau. Nindot man diay on-grade ng MRT/LRT.. basta daghan grass. Murag delikado man if naa diri oi.. kay daghan baglungon.. daghan gyud maligsan.. hehehe

Di na na problemahon kung maligsan bai... :) Tinuyo-an na gud kaayo na kung maligsan og train.

On the positive side, kung maligsan tungod sa ka-stupid/ka-gahi sa ulo, the better...Maiban-ibanan ang problema sa katilingban.

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 03:52 PM

wala man kaha na'y dagdag-bawas? :D

rustyboi

October 23rd, 2009, 04:04 PM

wala man kaha na'y dagdag-bawas? :D
^^Certainly no manipulation from the moderator group :lol:

We are restarting the poll. But this time, voters will be visible to the public. :okay:

national guard

October 23rd, 2009, 04:10 PM

Congrats CEBU for the new thread!!!:cheers1::cheers1::cheers1:

SUV111

October 23rd, 2009, 04:14 PM

congrats cebu!!!! continue the discussion on BRT and LRT...its interesting :)

a_terisk78y™

October 23rd, 2009, 04:19 PM

wow paspasa oi thread 91 na ta...congratz :)

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 04:32 PM

Please add a "Both" option for the poll!

leviaragon

October 23rd, 2009, 04:34 PM

mas feasible ang BRT as of the moment so i'll go for it,
gkapoy nxad ko sa mga puj sa Cebu.

SleMarKen

October 23rd, 2009, 04:38 PM

Please add a "Both" option for the poll!

Both can't be... Isa lang ang ma iimplement...:)

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 04:44 PM

^^ It doesn't hurt to dream. ;)

kenken94

October 23rd, 2009, 04:46 PM

what if the City limit car entry into the City? Discourage the use of automobiles and encourage the use of Mass Transport System like BRT?

SleMarKen

October 23rd, 2009, 04:50 PM

^^ It doesn't hurt to dream. ;)

yup, But I think the poll is about the truth here, not dreams... The poll will also be presented to radio stations here in Cebu.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 04:50 PM

ofw_cebu

October 23rd, 2009, 04:55 PM

what if the City limit car entry into the City? Discourage the use of automobiles and encourage the use of Mass Transport System like BRT?

How about introducing Congestion Charge? do you think possible na diha sa Cebu?

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 05:11 PM

How about introducing Congestion Charge? do you think possible na diha sa Cebu?

congestion is a solution of last resorts. you resort to it because you made such
a mess too difficult to undo that the only way to alleviate congestion is to
punish car use. its better to prevent reaching that stage by introducing public
transportation earlier when the city is still manageable and introducing a public
transport-conscious and public transport-oriented society.

Wind Shear

October 23rd, 2009, 05:11 PM

^^ It doesn't hurt to dream. ;)

We are dealing the real thing here. Problem is the Cebu City mayor said that they cannot fund both at the same time. I have to look for a news article (grrr... I forgot when was circulated)

^^ I'm appalled by SSC's influence in the Queen Province of the South. :lol:

I presume this poll is non-scientific and does not represent the views of ordinary Cebuanos. Indeed I will wait for that scientific survey's release.

:lol: Of course.

I just wondering if Cebu City will conduct a local initiative. :)

By the way local initiative is the legal process whereby the registered voters of a local government unit may directly propose, enact, or amend any ordinance. That's according to Local Government Code of the Philippines.

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 05:20 PM

what if the City limit car entry into the City? Discourage the use of automobiles and encourage the use of Mass Transport System like BRT?

@kenken94
In some places like Calgary, there is what they call a "signal priority" for traffic lights. the traffic light system have a sensor that detects oncoming BRT bus units and if its green it will stay green for few seconds, enough to let it pass and if its red, it would switch to green earlier. this is the way the system encourages people to take the BRT since the mass transit have the priority. If you use your car, you will never arrive earlier than the ones taking the BRT.

sir zidlakan, is this the same sytem that will be implemented/proposed for Cebu BRT?

SleMarKen

October 23rd, 2009, 05:26 PM

LRT is good but we need BRT;)

leylander

October 23rd, 2009, 05:33 PM

LRT is good but we need BRT;)

I am for BRT. But based on how people have been busting a vein in the last few pages of the previous thread to defend this system, i'd say the statement should be 'LRT is good but we want BRT' LOL :lol:

kenken94

October 23rd, 2009, 05:39 PM

If so, then cars crossing our streets need to be limited to a certain value.............

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 05:43 PM

zidlakan

October 23rd, 2009, 05:46 PM

@kenken94
In some places like Calgary, there is what they call a "signal priority" for traffic lights. the traffic light system have a sensor that detects oncoming BRT bus units and if its green it will stay green for few seconds, enough to let it pass and if its red, it would switch to green earlier. this is the way the system encourages people to take the BRT since the mass transit have the priority. If you use your car, you will never arrive earlier than the ones taking the BRT.

sir zidlakan, is this the same sytem that will be implemented/proposed for Cebu BRT?

theoritically. i mean, i cannot say for sure, but we hope it will be - we're still
at the study stage.

but take note that is more of a traffic signalling system technology rather
than a BRT feature. it works for other schemes other than the BRT.

for example, cebu city is the first to have SCATS in asia (SCATS is sydney
coordinated automated traffic system), before even hongkong and manila.
SCATS works with sensors on the intersection pavement which coordinates
traffic signalling for optimum traffic solutions. SCATS has an override feature
meaning you can program it so that if you have a triggering device in an
ambulance or a police car or a firetruck, you can trigger a green light when
you approach an intersection. so all you have to do is equip all BRT units
with those and program the central computer.

i said theoritically, because i can't pre-empt the results of the study and
what will be implemented but, in answer to your quesion, yes, it can be done
and we hope that will be the case.

i hope Cebu traffic light system will be updated to newer technologies. I am not sure what traffic management system in Osaka is using. I've noticed everytime on that major road above Midosuji subway line that the lights are sequenced that if you start crossing a green light, every intersection ahead will sequentially switch to green just as the exact moment you approaches the intersection.

i am not knowledgeable enough on traffic light systems but it sure is very convenient.

that seems very much like (if it is not) the SCATS here in cebu. though i
have to admit (and apologize) that its not working perfectly ... i'm ashamed
to say that 40% of the sensors are defective and needs replacement.

Wind Shear

October 23rd, 2009, 05:46 PM

i hope Cebu traffic light system will be updated to newer technologies. I am not sure what traffic management system in Osaka is using. I've noticed everytime on that major road above Midosuji subway line that the lights are sequenced that if you start crossing a green light, every intersection ahead will sequentially switch to green just as the exact moment you approaches the intersection.

i am not knowledgeable enough on traffic light systems but it sure is very convenient.

All they need (should BRT will push through) is to rehabilitate the traffic lights, upgrade the SCATS (Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System, traffic system used in Cebu City) to better version, and install the PTIPS (Public Transport Information and Priority System) module or similar to it.

SCATS has an override feature
meaning you can program it so that if you have a triggering device in an
ambulance or a police car or a firetruck, you can trigger a green light when
you approach an intersection.

Ahh, the traffic light control apparatus for emergency vehicles. I am wondering why there is no such thing installed in any emergency vehicle here in Cebu?

that seems very much like (if it is not) the SCATS here in cebu. though i
have to admit (and apologize) that its not working perfectly ... i'm ashamed
to say that 40% of the sensors are defective and needs replacement.

Reminds me of an incident at Mabolo last month. I am about to ride a jeep going to Mandaue Highway but I noticed that for several seconds the red light is still on. So I have to inform that the traffic light is busted and proceed with caution.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 05:49 PM

We are dealing the real thing here. Problem is the Cebu City mayor said that they cannot fund both at the same time. I have to look for a news article (grrr... I forgot when was circulated)

Bangkok couldn't afford an elevated metro and a subway all at the same time but they got it: the city government funded the former, while the Thai national government funded the latter. Hopefully the same can be said for rail-and-bus solutions for Cebu. :okay:

bisdakincanada

October 23rd, 2009, 06:26 PM

^^ I'm appalled by SSC's influence in the Queen Province of the South. :lol:

I presume this poll is non-scientific and does not represent the views of ordinary Cebuanos. Indeed I will wait for that scientific survey's release.

It does not represent the views of Cebuanos, ordinary or otherwise. I will take my self as an example. More than 50% of my friends favor the LRT. My friends know what the LRT and BRT systems are. They are professionals in the architecture, construction and urban planning fields. I guess the LRT they want is the "beautiful" one that we see implemented in rich countries.

They argue that there is a more efficient way to build an LRT, one that is different from Manila (no offense to the forumers from Manila), like those photos @Leylander posted.

But their arguments did not consider the political aspect of the discussion.

PS. They live in Cebu, Manila.

dabert

October 23rd, 2009, 06:30 PM

Monorails are nice and all, that's for sure, but, it doesn't hold as many passengers as BRT or LRT. It's not really all about just to have a transport system with an intention to beautify the place and make it like it seems very modern and updated technology wise. Things like these are considered as a mass mover for an ever growing population. This is why you see monorails mostly in theme parks and airport terminals while LRT and rail systems like subways are for public use in general

I believe monorails are slightly cheaper to built than LRT but still more expensive comparing to BRT. The whole idea is to create an effective mode of transportation for the public which the monorail can possibly assume the same role as well, it's just that, it is not enough to address a possible problem once the population of Cebu double in the near future. This is just something inevitable, alot of times, progress equates migration and population explotion.

KL's monorail utilizes a two-car train that can carry 214 (full load) and 268 (crush load) passengers at any one time. :)
http://www.klmonorail.com.my/web/guest/faqs
In comparison, Transmilenio's BRT buses, which are articulated or split into two sections, have a capacity of 160 passengers each.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmilenio

Anyway, monorails are indeed present in a large number of theme parks mainly because of its aesthetic value and flexible design. Imagine Disneyworld's transport system if it was a BRT or an LRT. hehe. nevertheless, there are already a lot of monorail transit systems in metro setting to include, but not limited to, Kuala Lumpur, Sydney, Tokyo, Dubai, and in fact, Mumbai and Nigeria are having their own.

----

It is interesting to note that while reading Transmilenio's BRT website, it stated that the fare charged amounts to $.52. In philippine currency, that is roughly P25. On the other hand, according to Wikipedia's page on Transmilenio BRT, the price of the ticket is 1,500 colombia pesos. That's around P37.

AmbutLang

October 23rd, 2009, 06:49 PM

congestion is a solution of last resorts. you resort to it because you made such
a mess too difficult to undo that the only way to alleviate congestion is to
punish car use. its better to prevent reaching that stage by introducing public
transportation earlier when the city is still manageable and introducing a public
transport-conscious and public transport-oriented society.

Suz, sa una gamay pako, heavy traffic kung napoo ka auto naghuwat sa stop and go traffic sign apil na kaatbang opposite direction na, unya ang stop and go sign toyuk2x paman to sa pulis nga naa sa iyang balay gamay naa sa tunga sa daan. Mas delicado ka pa maligsa sa prada kay sa jeep. :lol::lol::nuts:

AmbutLang

October 23rd, 2009, 07:07 PM

dabert

October 23rd, 2009, 07:36 PM

that seems very much like (if it is not) the SCATS here in cebu. though i
have to admit (and apologize) that its not working perfectly ... i'm ashamed
to say that 40% of the sensors are defective and needs replacement.

With all due respect sir, but how can the government maintain the functionality of the traffic lights once the BRT is already operational when it cannot even repair on time the defective sensor equipment and the busted lamps of the traffic lights as of the present? I am not actually blaming anyone. Naka-understand man pud ko na tungod siguro dugay ang delivery sa lamps, or ang parts sa sensor kailangan pa i-import, or dugay ang bidding para sa parts, and whatever reason there could be. I am just pointing out that if mao ni ang situation karon, dili ba kaha ni tinuod inig naa na pud ang BRT? or magsudden change of heart na mu-paspas kalit ang pagrepair sa traffic lights. hehehe.:)

bisdakincanada

October 23rd, 2009, 08:29 PM

@vishaya. did you visit the city of calgary/public transit website? :)

@zidlakan. i sometimes wonder if calgary's brt is indeed a brt. but if the lrt has some sort of, let's say, variation, is the same thing could be true to the brt? meeting the essential requirements but with slight variation from one or two of the requirements?

@AmbutLang. the buses here too are equipped with video monitors. it helps a lot with crime, like what you said.

vishaya

October 23rd, 2009, 08:47 PM

@vishaya. did you visit the city of calgary/public transit website?

@bisdakincanada
yes i did. i was intrigued when you posted earlier that Calgary will be replacing their BRT lines with LRT, so i visited and read the story behind, and the information about their 'BRT' (i am not sure whether its a true BRT).

BTW, i never used public transit systems in Canada, BRT or LRT. I did tried Greyhound once across the BC rockies but that's an entirely different banana.

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 02:00 AM

Acting Mayor Mike Rama gives his take about the BRT

VIDEO LINK (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/mikeramaonbrt1.mp4/)

BRT in LAGOS, AFRICA

VIDEO LINK (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/lagosbrt.mp4/)

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 02:26 AM

Contractors ready to do studies on BRT
(The Freeman) Updated September 28, 2009 12:00 AM

CEBU, Philippines - Both international and local studies for the establishment of a Bus Rapid Transit System in Cebu City are now completely negotiated.

In a press release, City Planning and Development Coordinating Office head Nigel Paul Villarete said studies to be conducted by World Bank and the Department of Transportation and Communication for the BRT in Cebu have been awarded to their respective contractors.

Villarete said, WB has successfully completed the negotiations with the first ranked consultants and has signed the contract for the eight month study to be undertaken by the Integrated Transport Planning of the United Kingdom.

ITP is also the consultant for the Lagos BRT of Lagos, Nigeria the first of its kind in Africa.

ITP team is to be led by Colin Brader, who was awarded as the Transport Planner of the Year award in the UK Transport Planning Authority. Brader and his team will start their work with a kick-off meeting on October 23 in Cebu City.

The study, he said, will run for eight to nine months.

After that, Villarete said the serious matter of BRT design and funds negotiation for its implementation will already be undertaken late next year or early 2011.

On the other hand, the DOTC study on Metro Cebu Strategic Plan was also completely negotiated with Design Science as the implementor.

He said the Notice to Proceed has already been issued and the team is mobilizing to start their 12-month study.

The study of DOTC is to be done simultaneously with the WB Study as well as the Asian Development Bank.

The ADB through the Cities Development Initiative for Asia is making a study on the Internal Transport System of the South Road Properties.

ADB-CDIA is mobilizing a new team for the Phase 2 of the Priority Infrastructure Investment Plan for the SRP which will start also next month.

There will be around five sub-studies, but the most important one, he said will the Comprehensive Pre-Feasibility Study of the Internal Transport System of the SRP.

This study will define how people and goods shall be transported within the SRP area, taking into account livability and mobility considerations, environmentally-sustainable transport, and efficiency.

The other important study is the Comprehensive Pre-Feasibility Study of the SRP-BRT/ Main Street which will connect to the proposed Cebu City BRT-Main Line.

WB through the Private Public Infrastructure Advisory Facility gave out $350,000 grant to the Cebu City Government to finance the feasibility study.

Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña’s thrust is to have a pro-poor and child- and environmentally-friendly transport system by decreasing the number of private vehicles and establishing the BRT as the mass transport system.

His decision is influenced by the transformation of the City of Bogota through its former mayor Enrique Peñalosa. — Ferliza C. Contratista/BRP (THE FREEMAN)

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 02:46 AM

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 02:49 AM

With all due respect sir, but how can the government maintain the functionality of the traffic lights once the BRT is already operational when it cannot even repair on time the defective sensor equipment and the busted lamps of the traffic lights as of the present? I am not actually blaming anyone. Naka-understand man pud ko na tungod siguro dugay ang delivery sa lamps, or ang parts sa sensor kailangan pa i-import, or dugay ang bidding para sa parts, and whatever reason there could be. I am just pointing out that if mao ni ang situation karon, dili ba kaha ni tinuod inig naa na pud ang BRT? or magsudden change of heart na mu-paspas kalit ang pagrepair sa traffic lights. hehehe.:)

mao pod bitaw sa? hinaut dili lang unta magkugi kung bag-o pa ang system hinaut hangtod sa hangtod ayohon gyud pagmaintain ang atong mga infras and services...:)

kenken94

October 24th, 2009, 02:53 AM

Naa naman diay na.......... karon pa sad sila magsaba-saba sa LRT nga ready na ang preparations for the BRT. SAMUKAN!

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 03:06 AM

SSC-Cebu with ITP consultant Mr. Colin Brader (revealed that he is also an SSC forumer), Dr. dayo Montalbo, and the World bank representative-Sam Zimmerman during the Kick-off BRT meeting on Oct. 23, 2009, that sets the beginning of the Study that will run for 8-9 months

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_2393.jpg
Here Mr. Sam Zimmerman talks about how the world is so obsess with the thought of having an LRT/MRT. where even in the third world countries, which are very poor, insanely desires and actually implemented that very expensive system..he also said that one reason is that the majority were not presented with other wiser option... :-)

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_2394.jpg
[Slerz-SSC Cebu]...[Dr. Dayo Montalbo - ITP]...[Mr. Paul Nigel Villarete-Cebu City Planning and Development Coordinator, and Cebu City BRT Project Development Officer, SSC Cebu]...[Mr. Colin Brader - founder of ITP, UK’s Transport Planner of the Year 2009]...[Mr. Sam Zimmerman - Urban Transport Adviser, Energy, Transport and Water Department, World Bank]...[Mainstreamhunter - SSC Cebu]...[Zuburbia - SSC-Cebu]

ivanc

October 24th, 2009, 03:13 AM

Batuhan: Finex does Cebu 2

Allan S.B. Batuhan
Foreign Exchange

WHAT does Cebu have that other places in the Philippines do not?

What does this island in the sun, with so few native resources to speak of, have that makes it stand out as a beehive of creative entrepreneurial activity?

Kenneth Cobonpue, Butch Carungay and Bunny Pages—guests during the Financial Executives Institute of the Philippines (Finex) Annual Convention in Cebu City at the beginning of this month—were all proof that there is indeed something unique among Cebuanos, and in Cebu’s ability to be the incubator of entrepreneurial ideas and ventures.

Back in time there was Penshoppe, of course. From a little mom and pop shop in Cebu, it has become a national brand, a favorite among the young and energetic set.

And Julie’s Bakeshop? Who would now not have seen one somewhere in a bus stop anywhere in the Philippines? I remember in my younger days when it was still a
lone outlet in Fuente Osmeña, and how over time, with creativity and imagination, it has managed to franchise its way to national prominence.

And even among the country’s crème de la crème in business, it is Cebuanos who stand tall and proud above the rest. John Gokongwei, Henry Sy and Lucio Tan all trace their roots to Cebu. So do the Gotianuns, who have developed Alabang into a viable alternative to the Makati Business District.

So there is indeed a secret to Cebu. Maybe it is the sun and the sea. Or perhaps the steely drive and determination of a people descended from the blood of our first national hero, Lapu-lapu. Fiercely independent and tribal, Cebuanos love to help each other out in achieving fame and fortune. The strength of the island’s various chambers and trade associations, and the cooperation among its members attest to the fact that amid the healthy competition, there is also a lot of cooperative collaboration going on.

For instance, Kenneth Cobonpue, for all his busy schedule, takes time out to teach design courses at the UP Cebu’s Fine Arts Program. This is his way of giving back his skill and talent to the next generation of designers, so Cebu will always be blessed with talented artisans for the future.

It has been many years since I have been out of the place I like to call home. But every time I manage to make my way back there, I always come away feeling energized and recharged.

The energy, creativity and enthusiasm of the Cebuano are indeed contagious.

Outside of the Finex convention proper, I was also able to see the progress that the island has made in terms of its information technology (IT) and business process outsourcing (BPO) sector—familiar to me because of the industry I am now in. Even by the standards of Manila, the progress seems impressive.

I had a chance to make my way to the IT Park across the Waterfront Hotel, and the buzz and flurry of activity among the businesses there were palpable. All the recognizable names among the leading BPO organizations seem to be represented, a testament to their belief in the ability of the Cebuanos to be able to deliver world-class IT and BPO services to their demanding customers all over the world.

And on the way back to Manila, I found myself aboard one of Cebu Pacific’s brand new airbuses, amazed by the airline’s ability to depart and arrive on time, and even more amazed by its ability to offer fares at very competitive rates.

And little wonder that it can do all this, because it is owned by Mr. Gokongwei himself, one of Cebu’s favorite sons.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/batuhan-finex-does-cebu-2

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 24th, 2009, 03:37 AM

kenken94

October 24th, 2009, 03:47 AM

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 04:12 AM

that in effect due to the fact that BRT is never heard in cebu or the entire philippines for that matter. what we need here is information dissemination for people to understand better the BRT system.

i also doubt about that 50% you are talking about sir. if that 50% were only professionals, how about the non-professionals, the poor for example? LRT is great of course but BRT is more appropriate for cebu at this point.

This is why before any major information dissemination campaign, it's important to get people's sentiment through scientific surveys. An informal survey of SSCers being broadcast on radio is far from being scientific, let alone representative of the one million plus people who will be affected by whichever project comes to fruition.

It's important that the Cebuano populace, especially those from the cities affected, make informed, impartial decisions as to whether or not they prefer rail rapid transit or BRT. To unfairly slant information campaigns (and, by extension, public opinion) in favor of BRT without listening to the merits of rail rapid transit, even if the majority of Cebuano SSCers are in favor of it, is an affront to the self-determination of the Cebuanos as to which transportation option is best for them.

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 24th, 2009, 04:19 AM

^^
bai, we all know naman that BRT is not that famous here so even though you'd say cebu would have a good transport system, obviously they'd imagine LRT bu this is the reason why the city government is also informing about the public about another alternative mode of transportation which is the BRT system for them to see whether or not they'd really like rail or not and presenting both the advantages and disadvantages of both LRT and BRT. well i don't really know exactly how the information is done in cebu city bec. im not a resident of it but i guess there doing it. i don't think they are singling out the LRT, i guess its part of the info so that people can very well understand BRT then.

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 04:20 AM

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 04:25 AM

This is why before any major information dissemination campaign, it's important to get people's sentiment through scientific surveys. An informal survey of SSCers being broadcast on radio is far from being scientific, let alone representative of the one million plus people who will be affected by whichever project comes to fruition.

It's important that the Cebuano populace, especially those from the cities affected, make informed, impartial decisions as to whether or not they prefer rail rapid transit or BRT. To unfairly slant information campaigns (and, by extension, public opinion) in favor of BRT without listening to the merits of rail rapid transit, even if the majority of Cebuano SSCers are in favor of it, is an affront to the self-determination of the Cebuanos as to which transportation option is best for them.

its much fairer if the information dissemenation would be conducted just before the survey, so that the public would have an idea of both and from there they have now the tools and option which can be the basis of their judgement...how can one get the best choice if he did not even have the chance to listen to a possibly better and wiser option....everyone needs to be informed to combat ignorance...

Henz

October 24th, 2009, 04:35 AM

Please add a "Both" option for the poll!

why not? It doesnt hurt to dream.. but still we want an LRT either within the ground or below the ground.. not above the ground.

Henz

October 24th, 2009, 04:37 AM

zidlakan

October 24th, 2009, 04:42 AM

just in case some of you in SSC has forgotten, please note that the LRT propo-
asl of AMA is NOT NEW. it has already been presented as early as july 31, 2007
(more than 2 years ago) where the same questions were raised. AMA was
requested to consult and coordinate with the local people so that an intelligent
discussion and decision-making can be done.

the problem here is that for more than 2 years, they have not even called,
wrote, texted, emailed, or otherwise attempted to talk to the local people most
especially to the local government concerned, their silence was deafening, and
its as if they have forgotten the entire thing.

then they come and ask us to approve in one week! so i still believe the
present stand is better. let's consult the cebuanos, let's discuss the merits
as what we are doing here in SSC and let's wait for the studies to finish.

to refresh your memories, here's the link to SSC-Cebu thread discussions
in 2007 ---> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623368&page=1602

surprisingly, the discussion then was very limited. dili pareho karun, he he he

as to some of the issues raised during that presentation, here's the link
to bobit's avila's column ...
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=10109&publicationSubCategoryId=67

Henz

October 24th, 2009, 04:44 AM

Bangkok couldn't afford an elevated metro and a subway all at the same time but they got it: the city government funded the former, while the Thai national government funded the latter. Hopefully the same can be said for rail-and-bus solutions for Cebu. :okay:

We do hope it will be applicable in Cebu.. :)

zidlakan

October 24th, 2009, 04:44 AM

P20 B for a Light Rail for Cebu?
INSIDE CEBU By Bobit S. Avila (The Philippine Star) Updated August 03, 2007 12:00 AM

If there’s anything that Cebuanos dislike, it is that Cebu is growing so fast and in a chaotic way… just like Metro Manila. These days, traffic in the major thoroughfares of Metro Cebu is snarled especially during rush hour. The only difference between Cebu and Manila is that the traffic congestion disperses faster as many places in Cebu are not really that far. A case in point… for a Cebuano, going to the fabulous Shangri-La’s Mactan Island Resort & Spa some 24 kilometers from Fuente Osmeña is already considered a long travel.

No doubt that Cebu needs to upgrade its mass transport system which today is still heavily based on the venerable jeepney. Last Tuesday, we dropped by the Ecotech Center for the consultation meeting on Public-Private Partnership in Railway Development and Operation by the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) led by Undersecretary Guiling Mamondiong. However, it turned out that this was not a DOTC presentation, rather it was a presentation by the AMA Group of Companies for its Light Rail Transit (LRT) plan for Cebu City.

Under the AMA plan, the LRT for Cebu City is a 19-kilometer line which passes through the major thoroughfares of Cebu City, from Tabunok to Mandaue City. Its total estimated cost is $455.8 million and given the current rate of P45.50 to a dollar, this would come up to a staggering P20.7389 billion or close to a billion pesos per kilometer! This project would be the biggest single infrastructure project ever for Cebu.

The question in everyone’s mind is whether this project is economically feasible. Unfortunately, the AMA spokesman who gave the presentation did not give us the whole picture! The AMA Group told us about the success of the various LRT and MRT projects in Manila. But when I told them that the LRT was heavily subsidized by the national government, they sheepishly admitted this.

Mayor Tomas Osmeña who gave the welcome remarks asked the first question… “Do these trains carry cargo?” The answer was negative. This proposed LRT is nothing but a people mover! Next, Mayor Osmeña asked whether the LRT would pass through Mactan and again he got a negative answer. Clearly the AMA LRT plan for Cebu City wasn’t designed to decongest Cebu City. The AMA spokesman pointed out that the plan to decongest Cebu City was in the second phase of the LRT, which would run from Cebu City to Carcar.

What we got from the AMA Group of Companies was a proposal to set up an LRT for Cebu City based on the studies they made in Manila. Yes, the template for this plan is a direct copy of the LRT in Manila. Clearly these people are not giving us anything new; they are even copying the mistakes of Metro Manila! In the end, the people who went to the consultation came out disappointed or unimpressed with the AMA presentation.

Could it be because Cebu was going to get its first mass transit system from a company operating computer schools? How come AMA got into the picture for a mass transit for Cebu? What AMA executives want for Cebu is to duplicate Manila’s LRT which is subsidized by the national government. This is something Cebuanos are not used to… because there are more economically feasible alternatives for a mass transit system that cost less than P20 billion!

That meeting was supposed to entice Cebuano investors to invest in this AMA partnership. But when certain people asked for a copy of the study, including AMA’s financial background, AMA’s local partner, Cris Saavedra, refused to give copies, saying these were confidential. Confidential? What was AMA trying to hide? If you already forgot the name of Mr. Cris Saavedra, he is the carpetbagger who bids in almost every government project from asphalt, fire trucks to surveillance camera. I saw him there last Tuesday, but I didn’t realize that he also has a railway system in his bag of tricks! Let me say that AMA started on the wrong foot by having a partner in Mr. Saavedra whose reputation is questionable.

There is no doubt that a growing metropolis like Metro Cebu needs a modern mass transit system… but one that addresses the problems of all stakeholders like the jeepney drivers or others who would be displaced by the project. More importantly, we need a transport system where Cebuanos would be able to afford its fares. Above all, it should be done by a company that doesn’t hide its financial background from the Cebuanos.

Sleepwalker

October 24th, 2009, 04:48 AM

Simang sa ko gamay ha.... :)

--------------------------------------------------------------
Book celebrates Cebu’s stories (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/book-celebrates-cebu%E2%80%99s-stories)

A BOOK was launched yesterday as part of efforts to revive the children’s love of reading and to preserve Cebu’s myths, tales and traditions.

For its 15th anniversary, Sun.Star Superbalita, in partnership with Smart Communications, launched the Cebuano storybook “Matod Pa sa Lola ni Noy Kulas.”

“This is a gift for the children. The purpose behind this book is to reawaken their love for reading Cebuano folklore, especially now that it is almost vanishing,” said Atty. Jane Paredes, senior manager for public affairs of Smart Communications.

Children from the Buagsong Elementary School and the PLDT-SMART Gawad Kalinga Village were invited to the launch and given copies of the book, apart from being treated to a story-reading session by the musician-artist Errol “Budoy” Marabiles and theater performer Chai Fonacier.

Featured in the book are 10 winning entries out of 48 stories submitted in a competition.

These stories are “Ang Buaya ug ang Bitin” by Elaine Versoza, “Si Kan, ang Agta nga Dangas og Agtang” by Fred Fuentes Monternel, “Gikaibgan sa Dili Ingon Nato” by Nilo Ejercito, “Ang Gikali-sangang Dakit sa Catmon-daan” by Glecerio Ares Jr., “Ang Linaw sa Naukban” by Christian Salta, “Ang Kamatayon ni Leon Kilat” by Rey Briccio Alesna, “Ang Kahoy nga Bolbolan” by Ailee Anoba, “Ang Pung-olanan sa Ulo” by Carla Mae Sumalinog, “Ang Kasugiran ni Maria Tang-an o Maria Cacao” by Judith Abellan-osa, and “Kinsa si Carmen Rubia?” by Homer Landiza.

Aside from the hard copy of the book, the stories can also be accessed via Sun.Star and Smart web-sites: www.sunstar.com.ph/superstorya, www.doonposaamin.ph, www.smartschools.ph/SmartSchools/News/MatodWinners and www.smartschools.ph/SmartSchools/Multimedia.

The launch was also supported by the University of the Philippines in the Visayas Cebu College-Central Visayas Studies Center. (PDF)

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 04:49 AM

its much fairer if the information dissemenation would be conducted just before the survey, so that the public would have an idea of both and from there they have now the tools and option which can be the basis of their judgement...how can one get the best choice if he did not even have the chance to listen to a possibly better and wiser option....everyone needs to be informed to combat ignorance...

Exactly my point. Have one before, then have one after. I'm not keen to the idea of radio masking a survey of SSCers as a credible survey of Cebuanos in favor of BRT, as what happens with a lot of local radio media (not to discredit the likes of Leo Lastimosa, of course, who I have the pleasure of watching on TV Patrol Central Visayas).

The government should make some concerned effort though to get the sentiment of the people before all this brouhaha, and then afterward, subject them to a public referendum to settle the issue once and for all. :D

why not? It doesnt hurt to dream.. but still we want an LRT either within the ground or below the ground.. not above the ground.

Our LRT is not light rail per se. It's an elevated metro. :okay:

correction.. Queen City.. not Province..:lol:

So SSC's influence is limited outside Metro Cebu, then? :lol:

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 04:52 AM

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 04:53 AM

Our LRT is not light rail per se. It's an elevated metro. :okay:

In what country you are now? Can you post pics of their elevated LRT's? So that we can compare with LRT's in Metro Manila?

Henz

October 24th, 2009, 04:55 AM

This is why before any major information dissemination campaign, it's important to get people's sentiment through scientific surveys. An informal survey of SSCers being broadcast on radio is far from being scientific, let alone representative of the one million plus people who will be affected by whichever project comes to fruition.

It's important that the Cebuano populace, especially those from the cities affected, make informed, impartial decisions as to whether or not they prefer rail rapid transit or BRT. To unfairly slant information campaigns (and, by extension, public opinion) in favor of BRT without listening to the merits of rail rapid transit, even if the majority of Cebuano SSCers are in favor of it, is an affront to the self-determination of the Cebuanos as to which transportation option is best for them.

we can only do so.. after an information dissemination has been made.. Metrowide. Because in all honesty, we do know that people are expected to be partial to LRT because it is the only system they know, somewhat already popular and already existing in Manila... Its actually a daunting task but it is doable.. once the BRT System will be introduced to the people then after that we can conduct a scientific survey....

bisdakincanada

October 24th, 2009, 07:27 AM

@bisdakincanada
yes i did. i was intrigued when you posted earlier that Calgary will be replacing their BRT lines with LRT, so i visited and read the story behind, and the information about their 'BRT' (i am not sure whether its a true BRT).

BTW, i never used public transit systems in Canada, BRT or LRT. I did tried Greyhound once across the BC rockies but that's an entirely different banana.

How come? I mean why didn't you take public transit? Some Canadian cities have really bad public transit, sometimes even Calgary. I take the transit by choice. I don't know, I think I just like walking, that's all.:)

ive heard that in DYAB, an am station in cebu city, on its survey the BRT got the highest vote...:banana:

That is very promising! :banana:

that in effect due to the fact that BRT is never heard in cebu or the entire philippines for that matter. what we need here is information dissemination for people to understand better the BRT system.

i also doubt about that 50% you are talking about sir. if that 50% were only professionals, how about the non-professionals, the poor for example? LRT is great of course but BRT is more appropriate for cebu at this point.

Actually, I am referring to my friends, just my circle of friends. I wouldn't misrepresent anything. And, yes, they are all professionals. I said that because Sky Harbor asked if the views here on SSC reflect the views of "ordinary" people outside the forum, which I took to understand as people who don't know a lot about the LRT or BRT or both systems. Those friends of mine are very well aware of both systems.

But they could always change their minds when new information come, like the Cebu BRT feasibility studies.

bisdakincanada

October 24th, 2009, 07:36 AM

P20 B for a Light Rail for Cebu?
INSIDE CEBU By Bobit S. Avila (The Philippine Star) Updated August 03, 2007 12:00 AM.

The reintroduction, if you will, of the LRT proposal by Gullas is really suspicious. And apparently from the news article, the meeting failed to "entice Cebuano investors to invest in this AMA partnership."

And who is this Mr Cris Saavedra guy, whose last name reminds me of Moalboal?

And what happened between 2007 and now? Very suspicious indeed!

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 24th, 2009, 07:39 AM

Exactly my point. Have one before, then have one after. I'm not keen to the idea of radio masking a survey of SSCers as a credible survey of Cebuanos in favor of BRT, as what happens with a lot of local radio media (not to discredit the likes of Leo Lastimosa, of course, who I have the pleasure of watching on TV Patrol Central Visayas).

The government should make some concerned effort though to get the sentiment of the people before all this brouhaha, and then afterward, subject them to a public referendum to settle the issue once and for all. :D

remember sir that this is a forum so this is available in public. anyone who wishes to join in the forum does not necessarily have to join us as an organization, although we encourage joining them. even though majority of us in the SSC cebu organization favors BRT, it doesn't also mean ALL those who voted for it are part of the organization. it just so happened that majority of the forumers here are members of the organization. mind you there are a lot here who don't claim identities with regards to the organization.

And yes, we still keep on enticing people to visit the site so that they can join the survey and be informed bec. this is practically more better than scientific surveys that doesn't present you with much information and lively discussions that would make you more rational in your judgement.

wise_zech

October 24th, 2009, 07:42 AM

oi new thread naman diay ta kapaspas sa ato thread napuno sa discussion about BRT vs LRT/MRT...

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 07:43 AM

remember sir that this is a forum so this is available in public. anyone who wishes to join in the forum does not necessarily have to join us as an organization, although we encourage joining them. even though majority of us in the SSC cebu organization favors BRT, it doesn't also mean ALL those who voted for it are part of the organization. it just so happened that majority of the forumers here are members of the organization. mind you there are a lot here who don't claim identities with regards to the organization.

And yes, we still keep on enticing people to visit the site so that they can join the survey and be informed bec. this is practically more better than scientific surveys that doesn't present you with much information and lively discussions that would make you more rational in your judgement.

Yup, and to World Bank representatives who are also member of SSC in London, we also invited them to visit the thread and they will coz they already know the set up of SSC...:)

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 24th, 2009, 07:58 AM

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 08:15 AM

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7476/plazaind102309f.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5267/plazaind102309e.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6517/plazaind102309d.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/798/plazaind102309c.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2355/plazaind102309b.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4383/plazaind102309a.jpg

mAiNsTrEaMhunter

October 24th, 2009, 08:20 AM

^^
hala li-li gyud! :lol::lol::lol:

AmbutLang

October 24th, 2009, 08:50 AM

kenken94

October 24th, 2009, 09:43 AM

here comes the stealth assassins up for a photo ambush!:gunz: karapat-dapat i clap-clap!:applause::tyty::applause: hehehehe...........:lol:

vishaya

October 24th, 2009, 10:37 AM

How come? I mean why didn't you take public transit? Some Canadian cities have really bad public transit, sometimes even Calgary. I take the transit by choice. I don't know, I think I just like walking, that's all.:)

i find driving in canada more convenient, hardly any traffic jams, wide roads, cost less (unless you're driving a full size SUV), ample parking space, and for long distance travels, i find it faster to reach my destination.

that's a different story when i'm in cebu, i'd rather take a taxi than drive my own car or a jeepney if i'm not in a hurry or if i'm just running errands.

Ang_Bantayanon

October 24th, 2009, 10:40 AM

correction.. Queen City.. not Province..:lol:

Hala ka! Daghan gyud ma-antagonize ana.. Daghan ang muolbo ang kaspa ana nga titulo.. Bitaw, bati nang queen city or province kay pasabot ana dunay pay hari. lol

federalist

October 24th, 2009, 10:50 AM

Please add a "Both" option for the poll!

I agree, kindly add all of the above. all of the above option doesnt mean that we want both projects implemented together. one for the the present and one later. the poll stated only about the transport for Metro Cebu and did not specify wether implemented simultaneously or not.

my stand is BRT for now and LRT later. we really need LRT in the future.

@zidlakan, do they have already an estimated fare for BRT? and how much the minimum?

Henz

October 24th, 2009, 10:57 AM

Hala ka! Daghan gyud ma-antagonize ana.. Daghan ang muolbo ang kaspa ana nga titulo.. Bitaw, bati nang queen city or province kay pasabot ana dunay pay hari. lol

pasadii lang nang moulbo ang kaspa.. kay maski pag unsaon.. Only Cebu has the "K".. to become the Queen City...

As to the question kung naa bay King... morag we can say.. that we are like Queen Elizabeth of England.......... She is the Queen, the undisputed ruler.. No King is existent....:lol:

mwg12a

October 24th, 2009, 11:00 AM

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4383/plazaind102309a.jpg

Ha ha, peeping tom has a look out to back him up. manguliti kamo duha diyan muga li-li oi!! he he What's "kuluti" in bisaya?

dabert

October 24th, 2009, 11:07 AM

I just hope we'll see a Cebu version of this BRT masterplan soon. I am really excited to get to know the details of our BRT once the feasibility studies are done. I still have so many questions. For example, will there be grade separators or barriers for the bus lanes? How much will the fare be? What would be the intervals between bus arrivals and departures? Is it 5 or 10 minutes? Are the buses articulated or not? Will there be a sidewalk and road rehabilitation as part of the package? Is the estimated cost of P2-P3B really the total price of the BRT plan? Does it include (aside from the estimated cost of $5 to $10M per kilometer of the BRT route) the construction of the stations, reconfiguration of traffic signaling system, and the acquisition of new buses? How many buses will there be in total serving the bus rapid transit? Will there be a digital display that will indicate when the next bus would arrive? Will the bus lanes be separately colored from the other roads to clearly designate them as for buses only? How can stations be constructed along 4-lane roads (two lanes for private and public vehicles and another two lanes for the buses, so where would the stations be constructed)? How can security be assured in each of the buses? Will there be security personnel? If none, how can the security-conscious citizens (especially those middle- and upper-class) be enticed to shift to BRT?

Anyway, try to watch this video and, again, I hope to see a Cebu City version of this one soon. :D
jbgczUOG-yA

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 11:13 AM

federalist

October 24th, 2009, 11:16 AM

kuyawag picture oy naa may pakapin nga liquor. :lol:

nice pics bai nindot jud view diha dapita.

lowellflores

October 24th, 2009, 11:46 AM

Sir asa ni dapita dindot ni adto an da ig ka uli nako, restaurant ni sa cordova?

wise_zech

October 24th, 2009, 11:46 AM

wow kanindot sa picture ni bai slerz....

federalist

October 24th, 2009, 12:01 PM

Downtown Colon
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1952/257z.jpg

CIT
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2083/258r.jpg

Golden Peak
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3052/255t.jpg

cebuboi

October 24th, 2009, 12:10 PM

^^if BRT will really go first....hope that after the implementation...maintenance will be prioritized above all...kay mag unsa man unya nang ato ipanghambug nga BRT nya ang mga bus nga gamiton napasagdan kay walay proper maintenance...kay as per reality check (maayo lamang ra ba ta kung magsugod pa kay kingas lang agi nato nya ug pag magmentinar na unya tulod tulod na kon kinsa nay maoy naay responsibilidad)...i dont want to see a rolling coffin plying the roads of cebu at the end of the day....coz the ciritical period really is not the implementation but rather the maintenance...^^

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 12:12 PM

im happy that they restored this one...

BEFORE:

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/523362564_097ac30040_m.jpg

AFTER

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1743.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1740.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1746.jpg

:banana:

zidlakan

October 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8097/cordovacebu102309acopy.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6922/cordovacebu102309b.jpg

mura'g sayop lagi ang focus adjust ment ani ... :D

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 12:26 PM

old buildings at the downtown area

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1749-1.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1753-1.jpg

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http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1785.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_1792-1.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_2384.jpg

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_2387.jpg

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http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy137/driftwud/IMG_2404.jpg

PINOYmeat

October 24th, 2009, 12:36 PM

mura'g sayop lagi ang focus adjust ment ani ... :D

ing ani dapat sir paul no?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/IMG_0094.jpg

:lol:

kinsa gani to nakahurot anang red label slerz? :lol: :lol: :lol:

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 12:38 PM

mura'g sayop lagi ang focus adjust ment ani ... :D

hehehe, sa buildings ko nahubog Sir Paul, dili sa Bino.....:D

PINOYmeat

October 24th, 2009, 12:45 PM

kenken94

October 24th, 2009, 12:57 PM

Gamay ra lagi ang City Hall Building? Gamay raman pud diay ang Cebu City noh? Mas nice pa guro na kung i-expand siya gamay.........

PINOYmeat

October 24th, 2009, 01:06 PM

i expand ang unsa? ang city hall o ang cebu city? :lol:

for me, cebu's land area is one of its asset, dili siya grabe ra kadako nga murag layo na ang mga establishments sa usag usa. dili sad siya gamay kaayo nga mura lang usa ka barrio nga dali ka mag mika. and we have to remember that one of cebu's selling point is you can climb tops, and go to the beach all within a day. urban feel and sophistication yet everything is within reach.

technoblaze

October 24th, 2009, 01:15 PM

The Hotel District of Cebu..
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3866/dsc00110edit.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/548/dsc00106edit.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/970/dsc00107edit.jpg

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2959/dsc00108edit.jpg

monthly_gallery

October 24th, 2009, 01:22 PM

cebuboi

October 24th, 2009, 01:27 PM

@Zuburbia: bai pagamit sa imo pix..ako lng gpost sa lain nga thread.

@kenken: di na kinahanglan bai e-expand ang cebu city hall kung mao na imo g mean kay naa na cya annex sa luyo....

PINOYmeat

October 24th, 2009, 01:51 PM

most of what we know about cebu are the BPO, beaches, tourist spots and dynamic economy but unknown to many, cebu is home to many endemic creatures. naa gani "cebuensis" sa scientific name and im pretty sure they are called as such because they were discovered or found in cebu.

here

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/CebuFlowerpecker-L.jpg
the cebu flowerpecker (Dicaeum quadricolor)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/Male-black-shamacopsychuscebuensis.jpg
the clack shama (shamacopsychus cebuensis)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/auctioned_bloodymary_atlantiscolony.jpg
bloddy mary atlantis colony (montipora cebuensis)

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/bubaluscebuensis.jpg
bubalus cebuensis

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/img0019_lemonthroated_warbler_jh.jpg
lemon throated warbler (Phylloscopus cebuensis)

daghan pa na sila, just try to search for "cebuensis"

Jarenz

October 24th, 2009, 02:04 PM

TransMilenio Bus Rapid Transit System in Bogota, Colombia

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http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/Jarenz_038/brt17.jpg

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http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u177/Jarenz_038/brt19.jpg

PINOYmeat

October 24th, 2009, 02:05 PM

the cathedral at pescador island, cebu (freediving)

I_OM5IF3aS0

dongRoy

October 24th, 2009, 03:22 PM

ANNOUCEMENT for all SSC-Cebu members and interested new participants. Please click here. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45110443&postcount=929)

rustyboi

October 24th, 2009, 03:40 PM

Must see! to understand BRT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZl1N6bTp_M&feature=related) :okay:

Making Things Happen with Bus Rapid Transit Part 1 of 2
UZl1N6bTp_M

Making Things Happen with Bus Rapid Transit Part 2 of 2
3LEtf32Bu3Y

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 04:19 PM

...background is the on-going project of Landco Pacific's Monterrazas de Cebu

flickr pic by @rabacas
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2600/4034735106_4821875b50_o.jpg

Zuburbia

October 24th, 2009, 04:38 PM

Sinjin P.

October 24th, 2009, 05:03 PM

CONFIRMED: Metro will anchor another Ayala Mall. Guess what? ALABANG TOWN CENTER!!! Wooohoooo, the Gaisanos will invade ALABANG! Construction will begin next year.

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 05:11 PM

...pics source: Cebu Holdings Inc. / Ayaland Inc.

CBP
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8756/chi1a.jpg

The Terraces
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6554/chi5.jpg

Asiatown IT Park
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/7099/chi4a.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6887/chi6.jpg

Amara
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8781/chi2r.jpg

Sinjin P.

October 24th, 2009, 05:44 PM

PFTNrFcGyd4

OT: Gitagad g'yud kong Nina sa 4:45 onwards. :lol:

Sleepwalker

October 24th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Kalami sa mga photos oi...Salamat ninyo bai!

Taymsa, kung naa mga specimen sa langgam nga gitawag og cebuensis, kitang mga Cebuano kay mga "homo sapien cebuensis" pud ta?

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 06:17 PM

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7476/plazaind102309f.jpg

Thank goodness. Plaza Independencia was a mess the day I was there.

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 06:59 PM

Point Of View of djXD?
What Structure?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3379/jarenzwherea.jpg

Wolfranz

October 24th, 2009, 07:06 PM

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 07:18 PM

Point Of View of djXD?
What Structure?

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/3379/jarenzwherea.jpg

SM City Carpark (roof deck)?

Wolfranz

October 24th, 2009, 07:32 PM

P20 B for a Light Rail for Cebu?
INSIDE CEBU By Bobit S. Avila (The Philippine Star) Updated August 03, 2007 12:00 AM

That meeting was supposed to entice Cebuano investors to invest in this AMA partnership. But when certain people asked for a copy of the study, including AMA’s financial background, AMA’s local partner, Cris Saavedra, refused to give copies, saying these were confidential. Confidential? What was AMA trying to hide? If you already forgot the name of Mr. Cris Saavedra, he is the carpetbagger who bids in almost every government project from asphalt, fire trucks to surveillance camera. I saw him there last Tuesday, but I didn’t realize that he also has a railway system in his bag of tricks! Let me say that AMA started on the wrong foot by having a partner in Mr. Saavedra whose reputation is questionable.

ho-ho-ho-ho.. and so the name of thy evil behind this fishy proposal is now revealed...

the (psuedo-) whistleblower who went blowing around town with a rusty whistle.:lol:

nawa ra, now he's on the other side of the ring.
Gidapigan pa gani siya ni Tomas, hinatagan pag award, and now, this?
His greed for profit is just bursting at the seams. And looks like he doesn't care if kinsa iyang matapakan.:ohno:

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 07:44 PM

In what country you are now? Can you post pics of their elevated LRT's? So that we can compare with LRT's in Metro Manila?

Slerz, you know I'm in Manila. :lol:

Anyway, here's some elevated metros outside Manila:

Bangkok

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Bangkok_Skytrain_Saladaeng.jpg

Copenhagen

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/%C3%98restad--metro.jpg/450px-%C3%98restad--metro.jpg

Delhi

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/DelhiMetroElevatedTracksNearGulabiBagh.jpg/800px-DelhiMetroElevatedTracksNearGulabiBagh.jpg

Dubai

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Dubai_Metro_%287%29.JPG/800px-Dubai_Metro_%287%29.JPG

Kuala Lumpur (Ampang Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/Sentul_Timur_station_%28Ampang_Line%29_%28exterior%29%2C_Sentul%2C_Kuala_Lumpur.jpg/800px-Sentul_Timur_station_%28Ampang_Line%29_%28exterior%29%2C_Sentul%2C_Kuala_Lumpur.jpg

Kuala Lumpur (Kelana Jaya Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Pasar_Seni_station_%28Kelana_Jaya_Line%29_%28exterior%29%2C_Kuala_Lumpur.jpg/800px-Pasar_Seni_station_%28Kelana_Jaya_Line%29_%28exterior%29%2C_Kuala_Lumpur.jpg

Singapore (Circle Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/CC9PayaLebar.jpg/800px-CC9PayaLebar.jpg

Singapore (East West Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/AljuinedMRT.JPG/800px-AljuinedMRT.JPG

Singapore (North South Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/KhatibMRT.JPG/800px-KhatibMRT.JPG

Taipei

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Taipei_Metro_Jiantan_Station.jpg/790px-Taipei_Metro_Jiantan_Station.jpg

Vancouver (Canada Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Canada_Line_Skytrain_Cars-2008-04-22.JPG/800px-Canada_Line_Skytrain_Cars-2008-04-22.JPG

Vancouver (Expo Line)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Skytrain-overpass.jpg/800px-Skytrain-overpass.jpg

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 07:53 PM

...looks familiar...if i'm not mistaken, this station is next to Shilin Night Market...had a food trip there in 2006...heheh!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Taipei_Metro_Jiantan_Station.jpg/790px-Taipei_Metro_Jiantan_Station.jpg

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 07:54 PM

^^ That's Jiantan station.

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 07:58 PM

^ yeah...going to Shilin Market from main city, Jiantan station will the best stop...not in Shilin station...kasi malayo na 'yon sa market..

diehardbisdak

October 24th, 2009, 08:18 PM

...from THE FREEMAN

Aegis PeopleSupport, which is providing a total of 8,400 jobs in the whole country, of which over 3,000 are based in Cebu, is currently constructing a 15-story building at the Asiatown IT Park, following the company’s acquisition of a 3,600 square-meter property at the cyberpark.

The company is spending close to P900 million to develop two mid-rise buildings at the Asiatown IT Park. After the completion of the 15-story building, another 11-story facility will be constructed.

more (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=517060&publicationSubCategoryId=108)

vishaya

October 24th, 2009, 08:53 PM

i tried searching for information on corporate structure of AMA group, multibillion projects completed, investors, track record, etc. but to no avail.

if i am not mistaken, this group was founded by amable aguiluz V, the same owner of AMA computer college, AMA bank. AMA Group of Companies is listed as having "Educational Institution" as the type of business they are engaged in. they tried to get their hands on the P11 billion election computerization but was disqualified (i don't know the recent developments). they endorsed erap's presidency and switched affiliation to arroyo when erap was jailed, etc.. in wikipedia, the legal disputes are listed with some of their dealings.

if this is the case, are we cebuanos leave our tranportation infrastructure development to the hands of an inexperienced group? take note also that they tend to have close ties of whoever is the incumbent philippine president (hmnnnn.... election season).

BTW. i enrolled to one of their computer course offering in manila once but decided to drop out after 2 weeks, i did not like the quality of teaching (that was ~20 years ago, they might have improved now)

federalist

October 24th, 2009, 09:08 PM

Zip-lining: New craze for adrenaline junkies

Saturday, October 24, 2009

Gessa Marie T. Gunhuran
STC Media Intern

DO YOU crave that adrenaline rush you get from flying without having to pay an arm and a leg for a skydiving trip? Or are you bored with classroom discussions on physics and want to see “momentum” and gravity in the real world?

Or do you simply want to try something new for half the price of a movie ticket?

Welcome to zip-lining, and it’s now in Cebu City.Sun.Star accepts donations for victims of Typhoon Ondoy

A zip-line is an aerial runway consisting of a cable suspended on a pulley system and mounted on an incline. It is designed to enable a user to use gravity to travel from the top to the bottom of an inclined cable through a free-moving pulley.

The cable is made of stainless steel, making sure that even those on the heavy side can enjoy the thrill.

Around the Philippines, there are several zip-line courses available to the public, but there are none yet in Cebu City. Most of them are also quite expensive, and can only cater to the higher middle class and up categories.

But a group of Cebuanos, involved in the teaching of arnis, wants to change that.

The Doce Pares Organization, led by Grandmaster Dionisio “Diony” Canete, who along with his son, Gerald Canete, have decided to add zip-lining into their training regimen, making it the first zip-line course in Cebu.

They specialize in the teaching of Kali Eskrima also known as “arnis” to aspiring students both young and old, Pinoys and foreigners alike and their school in Sto. Nino Village has attracted hundreds of visitors.

To develop their skills in the sport, they decided to incorporate other specializations like kickboxing, grappling, and various rope courses which include zip-line.

Wanting to offer something new with Eskrima, as well as to the Cebuanos, they put up a park in Malubog, Busay which is right next to the road leading to Tops Skyline Garden.

The park, which will be open to the public by the end of October, is both a training ground for Eskrima students and a getaway haven for adventurers and ordinary people alike.

The main attraction is the 180-meter long zipline course—a fun ride to experience—that not only gives users the adrenaline rush but also a picturesque view of Cebu City.

Adventurers

According to Gerald, most of the materials used for the zip line were made right here in Cebu by local folks who were enthusiastic about the course. These were adventurers by heart, and they helped them out by providing the needed materials in building the course.

Some of the materials were acquired in the US, but Gerald said they preferred to get the materials locally if they were available. But they always made sure that safety was always of the utmost importance.

The park, which boasts a breathtaking view of the city, will also include a convenience store and other shops so that people won’t have any problem looking for food and the like.
Also, Dionisio, ever the arnis master, also noted that the park is good for high-altitude training to help improve the cardiovascular workout, an important aspect for anyone engaged in any sport.

The father-and-son tandem wants the park to help promote tourism in Cebu, and will add other attractions in the future. They also plan to upgrade the zip line course into a 400-meter ride which will be from one mountain to the other for an extreme and fun challenge.
They also said that the park will be affordable to people of all ages, because they want the Cebuanos to enjoy it to the fullest. The entrance fee is pegged at P20 per person, while the zip line course is P50 per two rides—much cheaper compared to the other courses available in the Philippines.

Published in the Sun.Star Cebu newspaper on October 25, 2009.

SleMarKen

October 24th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Jarenz

October 24th, 2009, 11:11 PM

CHI Facade Cladding Renovation

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/djxd/underconstruction/chifacadecladding.jpg

Jarenz

October 24th, 2009, 11:34 PM

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8097/cordovacebu102309acopy.jpg

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6922/cordovacebu102309b.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2557/cordovacebu102309c.jpg

imbis ang plaza independencia moy sturyaan, ang nag li li nuon ang gisturyaan, mura rabag mga gwapo nang nang li li, ang nag picture raba...shakoy! :nuts:

ing ani dapat sir paul no?

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x102/pinakamaldito/IMG_0094.jpg

:lol:

kinsa gani to nakahurot anang red label slerz? :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/djxd/views/cordova.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/djxd/views/mnsu.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/djxd/views/pano.jpg

pookhey

October 25th, 2009, 01:20 AM

Thank goodness. Plaza Independencia was a mess the day I was there.

this is great news...i hope they plant more trees and full landscaping..............this is where fort san pedro is ... tourist attraction so at least its a destination in itself when it is beautifully reconstructed............

kenken94

October 25th, 2009, 01:32 AM

^^
Mga Ghost Ships ang uban ga anchor sa Mactan Channel.

dabert

October 25th, 2009, 02:37 AM

CHI Facade Cladding Renovation

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab178/djxd/underconstruction/chifacadecladding.jpg

bati lagi ang color scheme. hehe.

Zuburbia

October 25th, 2009, 03:18 AM

where diay ni?:)

dapit plaza independencia...kanang likod sa gas station

bisdakincanada

October 25th, 2009, 04:20 AM

Awesome photos of Cebu, guys! Good work and thank you! These photos are treasures for every Cebuano especially in other countries. The skyline pictures are awesome! :bow::applause: The downtown pictures are awesome! :bow::applause:

Downtown has that old Cebu feel and yet it's full of life. Midtown is equally active. It's bustling with people day and night. Then uptown has that modern feel to it, like Cebu moving towards modernism and the future. Yet all of these are distinctly in a Cebuano laid back character.

But I'll still say my favorite is downtown (Colon, Barangay Kalubihan man gud ako nagdako).

I'm glad the cafe (the baking school) is still there. But I wish Cucina Gotiaco didn't go out of business.

And those endemic Cebuano birds are so cute!!!

kenken94

October 25th, 2009, 06:17 AM

^^
We need more reforestation to preserve those endemic Cebuano birds!

wise_zech

October 25th, 2009, 07:53 AM

ang ganda nang mga picture...

kenken94

October 25th, 2009, 07:56 AM

^^
We are in a Provincial Thread so kindly speak the English Language............:lol::nuts::lol:

wise_zech

October 25th, 2009, 08:03 AM

^^
We are in a Provincial Thread so kindly speak the English Language............:lol::nuts::lol:

hahahha gusto nimo mag arabic ko diri sadik......

cebuboi

October 25th, 2009, 08:40 AM

hahahha gusto nimo mag arabic ko diri sadik......

sadik mafi kalam arabi, hada muskil...he he he.

kenken94

October 25th, 2009, 09:07 AM

hahahha gusto nimo mag arabic ko diri sadik......

Chaman!:lol: Sukol ka alien language? $%^*&&%@#*$(*#^%*#^&%*$#*#@&*^&%(*(*!$%$#!@#!#lol%&^#&!:lol:

<----------------------------------------------->

Hint:

naa'y usa ka word abbreviation nga mabasahan nagara.:)

bisdakincanada

October 25th, 2009, 09:36 AM

^^
We need more reforestation to preserve those endemic Cebuano birds!
That's true bai! I remember planting a lot of seedlings in the mountains of Cebu when I was younger. I hope those seedlings are now big sturdy trees! And I also hope schools in Cebu still have tree planting activities!

cebuboi

October 25th, 2009, 10:14 AM

That's true bai! I remember planting a lot of seedlings in the mountains of Cebu when I was younger. I hope those seedlings are now big sturdy trees! And I also hope schools in Cebu still have tree planting activities!

he he he...reminiscing those times that our school nahhh....not the school but ROTC group in particular had a tree planting activity in that mountains of buhisan near the dam...that was soooooooo tiring activity for us then but as i look it back now....it was a great and rewarding scene of my youthful days that i will never forget and regret...(nahhhhh youthful days???????) just hoping that those trees that we planted had become as what bisdak said.."BIG AND STURDY TREES".....

(what else that i can never forget from that activity? this phrase that goes like this and that is still fresh in my mind till now.."its not compulsory guys but only a requirement...sa unsa?? sa kuha grado wahhhhh...)

Sleepwalker

October 25th, 2009, 11:02 AM

^^In making Cebu better, we should all take part in making it a reality.

Now, people here in SSC are well aware of what is going on in Cebu and are conscious on what are the things that need to be done.

Pero, unsaon man to ang mga dili sige tan-aw og internet. IMHO, the whole of Cebu should have a massive information drive in all kinds of media, educating the whole Cebuano population and asking them to take part in improving Cebu.

For the purpose of reference, Hongkong government have these different ads running on TV talking about cleanliness drive, proper traffic courtesy, water and environment
preservation and many more. I know this idea will entail money, but the effect would be very beneficial for Cebu.

kenken94

October 25th, 2009, 11:45 AM

^^
Yup! You (SSC) should conduct a massive awareness camapign.......... e.g public school reforestation activities and ask help from either the City of the Province to give ya a hand...........

dongRoy

October 25th, 2009, 12:09 PM

To all SSC-Cebu members and interested new participants, please click here. (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=45110443&postcount=12788)

Thank you.

wise_zech

October 25th, 2009, 12:37 PM

wow nice banner @sugarfairy...

thesugarfairy

October 25th, 2009, 12:38 PM

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/af247/iamsugarfairy/beerdays.jpg

dongRoy

October 25th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Ayaw kabalaka bai inig balik ni mayor tom he will divulge new SRP investors sa press conference. :cheers:

Kanus-a diay balik si Tomas @Bob? Naa ka sa Cebu ana?

I know they have plans to put up public spaces in SRP, but I hope the city would not have to wait too long before they decide to start building the public spaces.

I think it would be nice if they start building these huge public spaces even if the SRP is still bare. I learned that they will install the SRP internal BRT even if bare pa ang lugar, I hope idungan nila ug butang ang public space ana.

Kung puwede pa lang ko murequest, public spaces would mean, a sports complex, a huge park, a network of bicycle paths, and maybe perhaps a huge public library.

thesugarfairy

October 25th, 2009, 12:53 PM

wow nice banner @sugarfairy...

thank you @wise.... :)

eskeryon

October 25th, 2009, 12:58 PM

That's true bai! I remember planting a lot of seedlings in the mountains of Cebu when I was younger. I hope those seedlings are now big sturdy trees! And I also hope schools in Cebu still have tree planting activities!

In the 1970's to the 1980's, it is a requirement for each student to plant a minimum of 20 trees before he can graduate. In fact in the transcript of records there is a statement stating that the said student had planted trees under the Youth Civic Action Program (YCAP). Considering Cebu schools alone, how many would graduate in a year? Multiply that with 20 and considering a 10 year span then I think Cebu is a virtual forest!!! But what happen? Cebu mountain tops are still cogonal lands! Whats wrong is that we conduct tree planting activities for show. Cameras clicking and banners and streamers unfurled announcing a tree planting activity is undertaken by the said group. After that they leave the place and left the plant for it to survive from the rigors of the surroundings. This should not be the case. Instead after planting, tree planters should go back to the site and inspect the plant and check if it survive or else replant another tree. Water the plant, take care the plant every now and then even on weekends. Do not just leave it at the mercy of the predators!

I do hope we have a meaningful tree planting activity and not just for show!

cebu726

October 25th, 2009, 03:16 PM

Welcome to Cebu Thread 91!

Link to Thread 90 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623368&page=3076)

Cebu Thread 90 poll result as of 09:45 pm October 23, 2009:

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) - 75 votes (76.53%)
Light Rail Transit (LRT) - 22 votes (22.45%)
None of the above - 1 vote (1.02%)

Total votes: 98

[QUOTE=rustyboi;45057284]Welcome to Cebu Thread 91!

Link to Thread 90 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623368&page=3076)

Cebu Thread 90 poll result as of 09:45 pm October 23, 2009:

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) - 75 votes (76.53%)
Light Rail Transit (LRT) - 22 votes (22.45%)
None of the above - 1 vote (1.02%)

Total votes: 98[/QU

I hope you'll welcome my unsolicited opinion regarding this poll.

Firstly, I think there's something about this poll that is confusing to the people who don't have a thorough knowledge about the two proposed systems on how do they work and how each system would affect the economic, social and political aspects of the locales where these two systems are set to be implemented.

Secondly, there's shud be no poll like this where the general public is given choices as to which among the two they want to be implemented. Because, if you follow the news articles from different media outfits, both proposed systems don't overlap each other in terms of routes covered. That's why the main proponents of the LRT-MRT system were disappointed by Tom Osmena's initial premature reaction during the press briefing on the proposed systems. It wasn't surprising because he thought his BRT would get imperiled if he endorses the LRT-MRT. But Gullas was quick to say that both systems would complement each other and therefore can co-exist. After all, BRT doesn't ply the same route as the MRT-LRT because BRT would only cover a small part of the city and it won't affect much of the city traffic as it wud only cover the Banilad-Talamban and SRP areas. Moreover, the buses used in SRP are not the same buses used in Talamban area, so they won't use the routes covered by LRT-MRT system. The LRT-MRT systems meanwhile consist of LRT (light rail transit) and MRT (monorail transit) cars and would only follow a straight line from south to north of Cebu passing thru the city via the south superhiway, P. del Rosario St., Imus Ave. and then M.J. Cuenco Ave. in Mabolo to Mandaue.

So it's important we get the right information from concerned government agencies and officials before we conduct a mock poll so as not to confuse our brethren. The entire Metro Cebu area badly needs not only one mass transport system but two or three if necessary given the topographical layout of our cities and towns. Both systems are necessary not only to Cebu City but the whole Metro Cebu's growing and worsening traffic problem.

Thank you for giving me a space for my opinion and peace to all.

ferny123

October 25th, 2009, 03:34 PM

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad328/fsilapan/brtlrtcombo.jpg

green-brt
yellow-lrt

lingaw2 ra ni. heheh

Wolfranz

October 25th, 2009, 04:06 PM

‘DON’T LET LRT RUIN CITY VIEWS’
Gullas suggests original ‘straight line’ route from Talisay to Mandaue cities

By Doris C. Bongcac
Cebu Daily News
First Posted 08:33:00 10/25/2009

Filed Under: Railway

To avoid damaging Cebu City landmarks like Fuente Osmeña and Osmeña Boulevard, a “straight line” route is better for the proposed Light Rail Transit (LRT), a Cebu lawmaker said yesterday.

Rep. Eduardo Gullas of Cebu's 1st district said LRT private sector proponents should stick to the original proposal of building rails along the national highway from Talisay City in the south to Mandaue City in the north.

“Instead of a circuitous design, straight line na lang para dili maguba ang view ang mga landmarks,” he said.

He was referring both to actual damage of heritage sites like the park and boulevard, as well as impairing the view of landmarks like the Provincial Capitol, where the LRT would pass.

The “via Capitol” route, one of seven mentioned by private proponents, was considered the “best” by investors in terms of picking up the maximum number of passengers.

Johnny Ramos, AMA Group Holdings vice president and the LRT project director, said he hopes to return to Cebu later this week and present a written reply to concerns raised by Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmeña.

The mayor, who angrily rejected the 19-kilometer LRT during a presentation in Cebu City last Oct. 17, worried that the LRT scheme would jeopardize chances for his Bus Rapid Transit proposal in getting a foreign loan.

Other concerns raised by Osmeña and other quarters:

* funding terms for the more expensive $603 million LRT compared with a $75 million bus-based system;

* a P15 boarding fee, which is “not affordable” to the poor

* damage to heritage landmarks;

* the use of “outdated” statistics on Metro Cebu transportation from the 1980s; and

* a project designed to move passengers, not heavy cargo that townfolk would need.

SUPPORT NEEDED

The private consortium that hopes to invest in the LRT proposal needs the support of mayors of Cebu, Mandaue and Lapu-Lapu cities before it can present the case to the Regional Development Council in November.

In its timetable, the project should be awarded before the May 2010 elections.

About 95 percent of the riders of the LRT are expected to come from Cebu City.

Ramos told CDN he hopes Cebu City officials will support the LRT project after reading the project brief and written response.

A total of 33 air-conditioned, electric-powered train coaches are envisioned to run in overhead rails similar to the LRT in Metro Manila. Construction would take four years.

The consortium plans to implement the project next year under the Build-Operate-Transfer Law.

A key feature is a “Metro Mall” in 20 hectares of Mandaue City, where a depot-mall and commercial office development will allow investors to earn revenue.

Congressman Gullas said an LRT would be most beneficial if implemented in Metro Cebu thoroughfares while the BRT proposal of Osmeña would best suit road networks in the reclamation zone of the South Road Properties (SRP).

Gullas said when the LRT proposal was first presented to Cebu officials, including Osmeña, it had a “straight line design” where rails would follow the national highway from south to north. “But they (AMA Group) decided to have a circuitous design,” said Gullas.

That meeting was called by the Department of Transportation and communication (DOCT) at the Central Visayas office of the National Economic Development Authority (Neda).

Gov. Gwen Garcia said she, too favors, an LRT in Metro Cebu as the most “responsive” mode of public transport. She declined to talk in detail since she hasn't read a copy of the feasibility study yet.

Ramos of the AMA group said investors needed to extend the rails to crowded areas like the site of Provincial Capitol to accommodate 200,000 passengers daily to sustain operations.

In the Capitol route showed by the AMA Group, the LRT rails will start in Tabunok, Talisay and follow the center lanes of N. Bacalso Ave., turn left to Osmena Boulevard, right to Escario Street., right to Gorordo Avenue., to the Ayala access road to Juan Luna Ave. (San Jose dela Montaña) to SM City, to the North Bus Terminal then the national highway in Mandaue City.

Under Phase II and III, routes will extend from Talisay to Dalaguete town in the south, and Mandaue City to Sogod town in the north.

Foreign loans will be secured for the LRT. Ownership and management of the rails would be turned over to the national government through DOTC after a period of 25 years.

Gullas said he was confident the LRT project would not endanger Cebu City 's bus project which is seeking loan funding from the International Funding Community (IFC), one of the lenders which the AMA Group is also eyeing.

'Cebu can ask for subsidy for LRT fare rate'

A P15 boarding fee for the proposed Light Rail Transit is “not affordable” for most commuters, Cebu City Mayor Tomas Osmena said.

His objection was heard in last week's presentation by LRT proponents.

Rep. Eduardo Gullas yesterday said the P15 fee may still be reduced after renegotiations with the AMA Group.

Another option is for the national government to subsidize part of the fare rate, he added.

If Cebu officials unite, they can ask for subsidy even if there's a change in administration, said Gullas.

“There will already be nine congressmen in Cebu including Lapu-Lapu City and four party list representatives from here. Can you imagine the 13 of us knocking on the national government to ask for subsidy?” said Gullas.

“In this project, Cebu City and the rest of the province will benefit,” he said.

In Metro Manila, the MRT fare is between P10 to P15, which is a subsidized rate said Cebu City Planning and Development Officer Nigel Villarete.

The national government decided to subsidize a big part of the fare, which was originally pegged at P63.

ferny123

October 25th, 2009, 04:06 PM

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad328/fsilapan/cebuzoning.jpg

zoning. hahah lingaw2 ra ni. this is not 100% real
blue-residential
white line- major road
yellow-commercial/high density residential
red-industrial
green-parks
blue lines-creek alignments
orange line-railway line
light bluish green-schools

ferny123

October 25th, 2009, 04:09 PM

zoning. hahah lingaw2 ra ni. this is not 100% real
blue-residential
white line- major road
yellow-commercial/high density residential
red-industrial
green-parks
blue lines-creek alignments
orange line-railway line
light bluish green-schools

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad328/fsilapan/mandaue.jpg

federalist

October 25th, 2009, 04:18 PM

bantay bitaw mahal ug pliti ang BRT kaysa sa proposed LRT.

ang BRT ba maka carry pud ug cargo?

diehardbisdak

October 25th, 2009, 04:23 PM

^^ a Metro Mall in Mandaue...? basin, mo-resulta unya ni og "wait & see" sa SM City expansion particularly in North Cebu...

Mr-Bundy

October 25th, 2009, 04:50 PM

So if you were designing a BRT in Cebu what are the top five things that such a system must include?

zidlakan

October 25th, 2009, 05:15 PM

[QUOTE=rustyboi;45057284]Welcome to Cebu Thread 91!

Link to Thread 90 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=623368&page=3076)

Cebu Thread 90 poll result as of 09:45 pm October 23, 2009:

Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) - 75 votes (76.53%)
Light Rail Transit (LRT) - 22 votes (22.45%)
None of the above - 1 vote (1.02%)

Total votes: 98[/QU

I hope you'll welcome my unsolicited opinion regarding this poll.

Firstly, I think there's something about this poll that is confusing to the people who don't have a thorough knowledge about the two proposed systems on how do they work and how each system would affect the economic, social and political aspects of the locales where these two systems are set to be implemented.

Secondly, there's shud be no poll like this where the general public is given choices as to which among the two they want to be implemented. Because, if you follow the news articles from different media outfits, both proposed systems don't overlap each other in terms of routes covered. That's why the main proponents of the LRT-MRT system were disappointed by Tom Osmena's initial premature reaction during the press briefing on the proposed systems. It wasn't surprising because he thought his BRT would get imperiled if he endorses the LRT-MRT. But Gullas was quick to say that both systems would complement each other and therefore can co-exist. After all, BRT doesn't ply the same route as the MRT-LRT because BRT would only cover a small part of the city and it won't affect much of the city traffic as it wud only cover the Banilad-Talamban and SRP areas. Moreover, the buses used in SRP are not the same buses used in Talamban area, so they won't use the routes covered by LRT-MRT system. The LRT-MRT systems meanwhile consist of LRT (light rail transit) and MRT (monorail transit) cars and would only follow a straight line from south to north of Cebu passing thru the city via the south superhiway, P. del Rosario St., Imus Ave. and then M.J. Cuenco Ave. in Mabolo to Mandaue.

So it's important we get the right information from concerned government agencies and officials before we conduct a mock poll so as not to confuse our brethren. The entire Metro Cebu area badly needs not only one mass transport system but two or three if necessary given the topographical layout of our cities and towns. Both systems are necessary not only to Cebu City but the whole Metro Cebu's growing and worsening traffic problem.

Thank you for giving me a space for my opinion and peace to all.

luckily, i managed to get a quick internet access here in
singapore, so i can read the the forum today. i hope i can
still get access tomorrow.

unfortunately, gullas was quick to say that even if he has
no basis for doing so. if there is any way the two systems
can complement and be there together at this point in
time, i would surely agree to that. but unfortunately, the
numbers will reveal they can't.

the LRT and the BRT are both rapid public mass transport
systems and they cater to the same ridership. they LRT
proponent estimated 200,000+ ridership. do you think
they can achieve that? LRT 1 in manila which pass through
manila, pasay up to quezon city has only 150,000 actual
ridership in 2008. and thats manila, pasay, and quezon
city. do you think talisay, cebu city, and mandaue can
surpass that? and if we introduce 2 systems, they're going
to share the same ridership, so do you think 2 systems
would be feasible when one could hardly reach the hurdle
rate? if they really think they could, then we have to go
back to the drawing boards and recompute. even the
suggestion to "straighten" the line not to pass "liko-liko"
through capitol, ayala and SM, would already compromise
the ridership. in any case, if they do that, then AMA and
DOTC has to go back to the drawing boards and recompute
the new ridership figures.

if you backtrack to my earlier posts, i showed the align-
ment of the BRT and it does compete ridership with the
LRT. the problem with news reports is that they assume.
the BRT is envisioned for the whole metro, up to lapu-lapu
esp. MEPZ. the only reason its only studied for cebu city
now is because the World Bank limited it as of now to this
alignment since the other cities did not endorse it yet. but
once they do, the pipelined assistance already do include
the other links. up to lapu-lapu. this i think is one aspect
that lapu-lapu didn't realize - they were excluded from
the proposed LRT. if you reread the column of bobit (in
2007 yet), mayor osmena did ask if lapu-lapu was included
and they said no. even in the present proposal lapu-lapu
is left out, and even in phse 2 and phase 3, they were
never mentioned. do we see a future for metro cebu where
lapu-lapu will be out of the picture for rapid public trans-
portation?

the question really is, why should we have two when one
will suffice. bogota has 6.7 million population and they
have only 1 (they don't have a metro). mexico city has
a metro and a BRT, but guess what, in their present CTF
proposal, they proposed to build 20 more BRTs in 20 more
mexican cities! i guess they love their BRTs so much they
want to replicate it to the rest of the country.

if we try to go through the list of countries with BRTs we
will see that seldom does a country have only 1 BRT. in
most cases, when they build 1, they always build more.
columbia built 8 more after bogota. china now has 9 BRTs
and india is building more, even with the mistakes of delhi.
bangkok has 3 rail lines but they're now building a BRT.

but you're right, there is a need for advocacy. its difficult
to chose between one which we already know and which
we have seen for more than 20 years to one which we have
not seen yet. that is the drawback of the BRT. that's why
i think advocacy is really necessary. and that's why we
are focusing on that.

for our friends here, i urge you to study it deeper, before
we vote. let our votes be intelligent votes. learn as much
as you could about the BRT and if after you see it you
would still vote for the LRT, then we have to respect that.
just don't vote for one simply because you don't know the
other. me, i vote for the BRT. but i have to tell you that
i was once one of cebu's leading advocates for the LRT.
and i tell you frankly there were countless times i have
debated with tomas on the issue. its only after a thorough
study of the issues that i changed my mind.

thank you, ug maayong gabii ninyo tanan diha sa cebu ...

Sky Harbor

October 25th, 2009, 05:24 PM

RonnieR

October 25th, 2009, 05:36 PM

It does not represent the views of Cebuanos, ordinary or otherwise. I will take my self as an example. More than 50% of my friends favor the LRT. My friends know what the LRT and BRT systems are. They are professionals in the architecture, construction and urban planning fields. I guess the LRT they want is the "beautiful" one that we see implemented in rich countries.

They argue that there is a more efficient way to build an LRT, one that is different from Manila (no offense to the forumers from Manila), like those photos @Leylander posted.

But their arguments did not consider the political aspect of the discussion.

PS. They live in Cebu, Manila.

I've tried the LRT/MRT in other countries. Our LRT/MRT don't differ much except that we don't have subway. We have underground station like that in Katipunan (purple line).

Manila's only underground station as of this moment, Katipunan. (MRT-7 will have three underground stations under a planned central business district.)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/LRT_Katipunan1.jpg/800px-LRT_Katipunan1.jpg

More LRT-2 Stations

Recto
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/68/Recto_Station.jpg/800px-Recto_Station.jpg

Legarda Station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/49/Legarda_Station.jpg/800px-Legarda_Station.jpg

Araneta-Cubao Station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/LRT_Araneta.jpg

Santolan Station
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/LRT_Santolan.jpg/800px-LRT_Santolan.jpg

from wikipedia

Purple Line aka LRT-2
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/fighter24/b.jpg

Blue Line aka MRT-3/ Metrostar Express
http://www.urbanrail.net/as/mani/MRT3_Shaw2.jpg

[B]

http://homepage.mac.com/wkaemena/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-01-24%2017.11.12%20-0800/Image-16B2A3BD4ED211D8.jpg

MRT-3
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e9/reymund_navarro/MRT%203/P1080841copy.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Edsa1.jpg

http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/DSCF0209.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/mrt/IMG_0113.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/mrt/IMG_0139.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/imagesaver1206/mrt/IMG_0201.jpg

LRT-2 Station with train at the top
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/3P4260030.jpg

Spacious LRT-2 Trains
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid162/p633977dc1c52841f75a15fc664caacc8/f4b3111e.jpg

Magnetic Cards Vending Machines
http://www2.ttcn.ne.jp/~Philrail/3P4260032.jpg

Third Generation Train of LRT Line 1

Photos by myx
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q256/photome005/Picksure2331.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q256/photome005/Picksure2332.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q256/photome005/Picksure2333.jpg

leylander

October 25th, 2009, 05:42 PM

Inambakan Falls
Ginatilan, Cebu

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3498/4042069465_eb5f797297.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/4042086343_762c2cbfd4.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2799/4042831744_f923685c1b.jpg

RonnieR

October 25th, 2009, 05:48 PM

luckily, i managed to get a quick internet access here in
singapore, so i can read the the forum today. i hope i can
still get access tomorrow.

unfortunately, gullas was quick to say that even if he has
no basis for doing so. if there is any way the two systems
can complement and be there together at this point in
time, i would surely agree to that. but unfortunately, the
numbers will reveal they can't.

the LRT and the BRT are both rapid public mass transport
systems and they cater to the same ridership. they LRT
proponent estimated 200,000+ ridership. do you think
they can achieve that? LRT 1 in manila which pass through
manila, pasay up to quezon city has only 150,000 actual
ridership in 2008. and thats manila, pasay, and quezon
city. do you think talisay, cebu city, and mandaue can
surpass that? and if we introduce 2 systems, they're going
to share the same ridership, so do you think 2 systems
would be feasible when one could hardly reach the hurdle
rate? if they really think they could, then we have to go
back to the drawing boards and recompute. even the
suggestion to "straighten" the line not to pass "liko-liko"
through capitol, ayala and SM, would already compromise
the ridership. in any case, if they do that, then AMA and
DOTC has to go back to the drawing boards and recompute
the new ridership figures.
...

wow, it's good to hear from you in SG.

Here's the official release of ridership of LRT.

http://www.lrta.gov.ph/press_release/press_release_090112_25yrRecordHigh.htm
The Light Transit Authority (LRTA) has reached a milestone during last Friday’s Feast Day of the Black Nazarene celebration, with the highest passenger volume it has ever in its 25 years of revenue operation.

LRTA Administrator Melquiades A. Robles said it counted 582, 989 passengers, who took the LRT trains in their Baclaran-Monumento System (Line 1) on the said day, beating the old record of 542, 605 passengers set on December 16, 1996.

Robles also said it has set a new combined ridership record of 785, 674 passengers for both its Line 1 and Recto-Santolan System (Line 2), surpassing its 2007 record of 542,605.

With the heavy influx of passengers, the LRTA’s Operation Department had to deploy some of its train crew supervisors to drive the trains and augment its train operators for the continuous fielding of its 31 trains at 2 minutes interval.

Robles said the new record was achieved because of the LRTA’s Capacity Expansion Project (Phase II), which was completed in 2007, as well as the speedy rehabilitation of all down trains, some of which were inoperative for 15 years already.

“Because of CAPEX II and our rehabilitation efforts, we now have more trains to service passengers and bigger station with more tellers’ booths to accommodate them,” Robles explained.

Presently, LRTA’s Line 1 System has a stable of 139 coaches that may be configured into 3-car or 4-car train combinations depending on passenger demand, with a carrying capacity of 1,309, 680 passengers per day.

On the other hand, its Line 2 system has 16 trainsets available, which can carry a maximum of 730, 240 passengers per day.

Last Friday, the LRTA allowed the entry of barefoot devotees in consideration of the customary celebration of the Black Nazarene Day.

It has also deployed additional security with K9 dogs, medical and customer relations personnel, as well as additional tellers at the UN Avenue, Central, Carriedo, D. Jose and Recto stations to accommodate the surge in passenger volume.

^^ the main reason why it's not earning much despite the high ridership is due to low fare. All Filipinos subsidized the fare in LRT/MRT, unfair to other people outside MM.

zidlakan

October 25th, 2009, 05:51 PM

^^ Sir Paul, the LRT (LRT-1 and MRT-2) had an estimated ridership of 380,000/day in 2004. Estimated daily ridership for 2008, based on the figures I could cull from the LRTA, should be within the ballpark of 550,000.

LRT-1 had 138.04 million passengers patronizing it for the 358 days of the year that it is operating, which translates to around 441,500 daily. MRT-2 had 58.59 million passengers patronizing it, which translates to around 164,000 daily. These are also 2008 figures.

In addition, LRT-1 crosses through Pasay, Manila and Caloocan. MRT-2 crosses through Manila, San Juan, Quezon City and Marikina. :D

i didn't bring the report with me but i got my figures from
the DOTC 2008 annual report. LRT-1, 150,000; LRT-2,
250,000; and MRT-3, 450,000. when i get back to cebu,
i'll try to scan and post that. that's a total of 850,000
ridership for a metro of what, 12 million? cebu city has
760,000 population and 95% of the ridership of the pro-
posed LRT. do you think we can generate 200,000+
ridership? be that as it may, don't you think we need to
have more accurate figures that that estimated from a
1980 HIS and 1990 supplemental OD surveys? the very
reason why DOTC commissioned the study for the strate-
gic public transportation plan for metor cebu is exactly to
get a 2009 (or 2010, they're doing the surveys in january)
updated HIS and OD figures. why would they spend a
P32 Million study to get updated (not 29 years old) data
and readily accept figures floated by the proponent? well,
to answer that question, you have to know the internal
intramurals within DOTC, :D

i'll try to post those official DOTC reports when i get back.
if i forget, please remind me ... i'm growing old, he he he
and forget easily ...

zidlakan

October 25th, 2009, 06:01 PM

wow, it's good to hear from you in SG.

Here's the official release of ridership of LRT.

http://www.lrta.gov.ph/press_release/press_release_090112_25yrRecordHigh.htm
The Light Transit Authority (LRTA) has reached a milestone during last Friday’s Feast Day of the Black Nazarene celebration, with the highest passenger volume it has ever in its 25 years of revenue operation.

LRTA Administrator Melquiades A. Robles said it counted 582, 989 passengers, who took the LRT trains in their Baclaran-Monumento System (Line 1) on the said day, beating the old record of 542, 605 passengers set on December 16, 1996.

Robles also said it has set a new combined ridership record of 785, 674 passengers for both its Line 1 and Recto-Santolan System (Line 2), surpassing its 2007 record of 542,605.

With the heavy influx of passengers, the LRTA’s Operation Department had to deploy some of its train crew supervisors to drive the trains and augment its train operators for the continuous fielding of its 31 trains at 2 minutes interval.

Robles said the new record was achieved because of the LRTA’s Capacity Expansion Project (Phase II), which was completed in 2007, as well as the speedy rehabilitation of all down trains, some of which were inoperative for 15 years already.

“Because of CAPEX II and our rehabilitation efforts, we now have more trains to service passengers and bigger station with more tellers’ booths to accommodate them,” Robles explained.

Presently, LRTA’s Line 1 System has a stable of 139 coaches that may be configured into 3-car or 4-car train combinations depending on passenger demand, with a carrying capacity of 1,309, 680 passengers per day.

On the other hand, its Line 2 system has 16 trainsets available, which can carry a maximum of 730, 240 passengers per day.

Last Friday, the LRTA allowed the entry of barefoot devotees in consideration of the customary celebration of the Black Nazarene Day.

It has also deployed additional security with K9 dogs, medical and customer relations personnel, as well as additional tellers at the UN Avenue, Central, Carriedo, D. Jose and Recto stations to accommodate the surge in passenger volume.

^^ the main reason why it's not earning much despite the high ridership is due to low fare. All Filipinos subsidized the fare in LRT/MRT, unfair to other people outside MM.

yup. that's the record high, on a day of the black nazarene.
i'm just guessing here, but i suspect, a cebu LRT (or BRT)
can surpass that on any sinulog day here, he he he (as i
said, just guessing, but it might be true). the report i got
is the annual report of DOTC, which was sent by USEC
mamondiong to mayor osmena on sept. 24, 2009 (its the
2008 annual report). i'm really sorry i can't post it now.

diehardbisdak

October 25th, 2009, 06:04 PM

CITI PARK HOTEL - Mabolo, Cebu City

flickr pic by @ericRp
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3601/citipark.jpg

SleMarKen

October 25th, 2009, 06:05 PM

bantay bitaw mahal ug pliti ang BRT kaysa sa proposed LRT.

ang BRT ba maka carry pud ug cargo?

Bai.. both LRT and BRT cant carry cargoes... ( i mean bulk cargo)

-Henz-

RonnieR

October 25th, 2009, 06:07 PM

i didn't bring the report with me but i got my figures from
the DOTC 2008 annual report. LRT-1, 150,000; LRT-2,
250,000; and MRT-3, 450,000. when i get back to cebu,
i'll try to scan and post that. that's a total of 850,000
ridership for a metro of what, 12 million? cebu city has
760,000 population and 95% of the ridership of the pro-
posed LRT. do you think we can generate 200,000+
ridership? be that as it may, don't you think we need to
have more accurate figures that that estimated from a
1980 HIS and 1990 supplemental OD surveys? the very
reason why DOTC commissioned the study for the strate-
gic public transportation plan for metor cebu is exactly to
get a 2009 (or 2010, they're doing the surveys in january)
updated HIS and OD figures. why would they spend a
P32 Million study to get updated (not 29 years old) data
and readily accept figures floated by the proponent? well,
to answer that question, you have to know the internal
intramurals within DOTC, :D

i'll try to post those official DOTC reports when i get back.
if i forget, please remind me ... i'm growing old, he he he
and forget easily ...

I've read somewhere from LRT and MRT Administrators that their ridership is: MRT 500,000++ daily. Well, this is believable. For LRT 1, it's 450,000 and LRT 2, 250,000. I'm sure it's more than 1 Million. The three lines cover only 47 kms. plus the 5.1 kms. being constructed for LRT North Extension, or a total of 52 kms. More lines are needed for Metro Manila to address the problem on traffic.

Ridership is high.