need to give bribe more to ramesh and so called environment ministry.. i dont understand their purpose of environment ministry.. may be rechristined as Ministry for claiming Bride for using natural resources..

Chennai port is needs the projects
TN Government is ready to fund the project
Government of India - Cabinet has given clearance/approval
Planning commission has initiated
But ................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont understand the missing link with environment ministry...

How can cabinet committee can give green signal and another ministry stops it!! is cabinet is not powerfull.. weird ..

Because they know that Jairam Ramesh will not give approval and the whole project will be canned.

It is well known that highly educated Jairam Ramesh is Anti TN.

Instead of regulating the mad polluting industries, destruction of rural eco systems etc he come and stops development infrastructure projects in major Cities.

He did jack Sh..t about giant Vedenta Serlite Industry at Tuticorine, Eventually people got help from the court.

In India, systems are loosely integrated...
just because the cabinet has given approval, it does not eman that every project has to be completed...
if there are some reasons for the cabinet to reverse the approval it will be done...as in the case of Sterlite Industries...
pls dont think that ppl in the cabinet know everything...they just sign the documents...:bash:
the real problems occur only when they are actually implemented...

cabinet approval is diferent from individual ministry approval...
cabinet may approve it, but if the project violates any specific ministry's rules & regulations the ministry must take steps to avoid the project....

the real problem with the sterlite plant is known only to the local ppl...
sitting in the office and blaming Jairam Ramesh is foolish..

he has done well to ensure that environement doesnt get affected due to any project...
if ppl say that he opposes TN projects, then it is because we have not setup env friendly projects...
whose fault it is ??? :bash:
dont blame others when we have severe faults within ourselves...

need to give bribe more to ramesh and so called environment ministry.. i dont understand their purpose of environment ministry.. may be rechristined as Ministry for claiming Bride for using natural resources..

Chennai port is needs the projects
TN Government is ready to fund the project
Government of India - Cabinet has given clearance/approval
Planning commission has initiated
But ................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont understand the missing link with environment ministry...

How can cabinet committee can give green signal and another ministry stops it!! is cabinet is not powerfull.. weird ..

chennai port has limited powers when compared to central ministries...
if it needs a project to be implemented, then it has to get required all approvals before commencing any project....

who asked the authorities to start this project before getting all approvals ???
tel me..:bash:
after initial kick-off, when hurdles are faced, then who takes the blame ???
the stupid state govt authorities dont do any feasibility study, no public hearing and start a project blindly and ppl expect the project to get completed... :lol::lol::lol:

I am definitely appalled by the delay in getting approval from MoEF. At the same time, I find most of the above posts meaningless. They seem to be emotional outbursts withoug realising the ground reality.

Any major project like this needs to be given due diligence. Usually the projects get approval before they are initiated (at least in the west) or atleast the talk is of getting approval. Our CM and PM descending down with their votebank stunts got the project ribbon cutting already done. I bet they both knew the reality of getting other approvals before announcing the project.

Just imagine the converse, if for some reason, there was a major flaw which prevented the last 7 km from being operational or jacks up the cost by another 100%, will that be acceptable. Will we seek alternate solutions then ??

I do not see this as anti TN or something. MoEF is also embattled with multiple other major projects outside TN like Navi Mumbai Airport. I do not see this as an issue of bribe.

Just like we (the great politicians of TN) killed the Buckingham Canal with one swoop with the MRTS idea, an ill conceived project can kill Cooum as well. So it is better to think and plan and than do and scratch the head. I am sure there are few folks who may say people are more important.. lets kill the river.. sorry beg to differ with them.

That being said, I would definitely want this project to move on on a faster track. I think some of the major bottlenecks like slums have already started getting attention. The last 7 km or atleast the last couple of them need special attention because Cooum though has an estuary at its mouth, is having sand bar problem.

If Chennai Rivers Restoration Trust (CRRT) takes a more aggressive role in defending the waterway and promotes the highway as well, perhaps, it would make it easier to get the attention of MoEF.

If Chennai Rivers Restoration Trust (CRRT) takes a more aggressive role in defending the waterway and promotes the highway as well, perhaps, it would make it easier to get the attention of MoEF.

emotional outbursts may not be false/meaningless always..
unfortunately, truth is bitter and no one is ready to accept it..

this project will not kick-off until env clearances are given from MOEF and the project related cases @ chennai high court are settled..

ppl may have individual choices, but what should happen will certainly happen..

what should happen will certainly happen..
Exactly! So chill it!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Elevated-path-to-ease-congestion-on-Poonamalle-High-Road/articleshow/6783305.cms


The highways department's proposal to build either flyovers or an elevated stretch to ease traffic flow on the highly congested Poonamallee High Road appears to be taking off. The state government is likely to give the go-ahead to the department by this month to prepare a detailed project report (DPR) on the options available to minimise congestion on Poonamallee High Road.

The highways department is considering various options to decongest the road, mainly the stretch from Raja Muthiah Salai intersection near Ripon Building to Pulla Avenue in Aminjikarai. As the 6-km stretch has as many as 15 traffic junctions, each close to the other, the government is considering whether it should build flyovers connecting two or three signal points or to construct an elevated highway to cover the entire 6-km distance.

"The file on the need to bring down traffic congestion on Poonamallee High Road is now being circulated among top officials at the Secretariat. We hope the government order will be issued in ten days to enable us to call for tenders. We will select a consultant to prepare the detailed project report on all the options available to contain the traffic congestion on this road,'' sources told The Times of India.

The DPR will analyse and suggest all aspects including the estimated cost of each option. It will take a year to prepare the DPR, the sources added. Poonamallee High Road, which has traffic congestion equivalent to that in Anna Salai and Inner Ring Road, is increasingly becoming risky for motorists and pedestrians. A study conducted by the Highways Research Station last year found that Poonamallee High Road witnesses the movement of nearly 1.30 lakh vehicles every day.

The road stands second in the list of 17 places selected in the city where vehicle congestion is highest. City traffic police, which has identified 23 most accident-prone stretches in the city, found that the 2-km distance of Poonamallee High Road, from Ega theatre to Anna Arch, was the top killer stretch where 17 people lost their lives last year.

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Another real necessity. But hope they wont be so short sighted to bring a mere 6 km 1-2 lane roller coaster elevated highway. This should atleast end at Koyambedu to be meaningful. :nuts:

Very true Sachitananda. I hope our forumers must have discussed this in their meeting with the officials. The news is there in the Hindu with the photos of the forumers.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Elevated-path-to-ease-congestion-on-Poonamalle-High-Road/articleshow/6783305.cms


The highways department's proposal to build either flyovers or an elevated stretch to ease traffic flow on the highly congested Poonamallee High Road appears to be taking off. The state government is likely to give the go-ahead to the department by this month to prepare a detailed project report (DPR) on the options available to minimise congestion on Poonamallee High Road.

The highways department is considering various options to decongest the road, mainly the stretch from Raja Muthiah Salai intersection near Ripon Building to Pulla Avenue in Aminjikarai. As the 6-km stretch has as many as 15 traffic junctions, each close to the other, the government is considering whether it should build flyovers connecting two or three signal points or to construct an elevated highway to cover the entire 6-km distance.

"The file on the need to bring down traffic congestion on Poonamallee High Road is now being circulated among top officials at the Secretariat. We hope the government order will be issued in ten days to enable us to call for tenders. We will select a consultant to prepare the detailed project report on all the options available to contain the traffic congestion on this road,'' sources told The Times of India.

The DPR will analyse and suggest all aspects including the estimated cost of each option. It will take a year to prepare the DPR, the sources added. Poonamallee High Road, which has traffic congestion equivalent to that in Anna Salai and Inner Ring Road, is increasingly becoming risky for motorists and pedestrians. A study conducted by the Highways Research Station last year found that Poonamallee High Road witnesses the movement of nearly 1.30 lakh vehicles every day.

The road stands second in the list of 17 places selected in the city where vehicle congestion is highest. City traffic police, which has identified 23 most accident-prone stretches in the city, found that the 2-km distance of Poonamallee High Road, from Ega theatre to Anna Arch, was the top killer stretch where 17 people lost their lives last year.

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Another real necessity. But hope they wont be so short sighted to bring a mere 6 km 1-2 lane roller coaster elevated highway. This should atleast end at Koyambedu to be meaningful. :nuts:

Very true Sachitananda. I hope our forumers must have discussed this in their meeting with the officials. The news is there in the Hindu with the photos of the forumers.

this is a good project which would decongest city traffic...
this will require minimal land acquisition..
but am wondering where will this bridge end ??

acc to the report it ends at pulla avenue which is alreay congested and there is no way of ending the bridge there..

as suggested before if the bridge runs upto koyambedu, what ll happen to the expressway (if built) which crosses PH road near ampa mall...
there is no way that two elevated bridges run one above the other..
will the expressway project be scrapped ??
as always the govt is contradicting itself..
suggestions invited..

there is no way that two elevated bridges run one above the other..

What makes you say 2 elevated roads can't cross over one another?

What makes you say 2 elevated roads can't cross over one another?

one of the important factors will be the cost due to the increase in height of an elevated road to fly above another...
there cannot ba a sudden upward slope to fly above another elevated road..
the slope has to be gradual..
for this to happen, the height of one elevated road must be designed to accomodate the height of the existing elevated road ..
this naturally increases the cost..

another project with low financial viability announced by the govt before elections..

another project with low financial viability announced by the govt before elections..

this is for flyovers above poonamalee road, a dense transport corridor well within city limits. if this is not viable, i wonder if any other infrastructure project would be.

elevated port connectivity project is a different project along cooum river to be built by nhai & part funded by chennai port to provide a 24x7 connectivity to port.

this is for flyovers above poonamalee road, a dense transport corridor well within city limits. if this is not viable, i wonder if any other infrastructure project would be.

elevated port connectivity project is a different project along cooum river to be built by nhai & part funded by chennai port to provide a 24x7 connectivity to port.

as an individual project this may be viable...
consider the project along with expressway..
to accomodate the expressway, the height of the elevated road must be increased which increases the cost...

no where i had mentioned that this project is not viable when implemented standalone..as a standalone project it is viable..
but when it is integrated or built considering the potential expressway, the project becomes more costlier due to its height factor..

^^ How much will be the difference in cost (if we assume so), some XX crores? So why not?

^^ How much will be the difference in cost (if we assume so), some XX crores? So why not?

in a capital deficient country where crores are needed to be spent on basic needs, unnecessary costs cannot be afforded by the govt..
the planned elevated road should have been integrated with the koyambedu junction much much earlier...its too late now..
where will you end the elevated road @ PH road when the PH road itself has only 2 lanes ???
now there is no way that the planned elevated road above PH road will reduce the traffic..
it will rather increase the traffic as seen near T.Nagar bus junction where there is no improvement even after building the bridge...
poor planning..

as an individual project this may be viable...
consider the project along with expressway..
to accomodate the expressway, the height of the elevated road must be increased which increases the cost...

no where i had mentioned that this project is not viable when implemented standalone..as a standalone project it is viable..
but when it is integrated or built considering the potential expressway, the project becomes more costlier due to its height factor..

why are these 2 related? you are making many asssumptions. and even if it were to cross each other say at say aminjikarai (which it will not - we have already seen design for flyover at nelson manikam road), it hardly affects the cost of elevated road.

in a capital deficient country where crores are needed to be spent on basic needs, unnecessary costs cannot be afforded by the govt..
the planned elevated road should have been integrated with the koyambedu junction much much earlier...its too late now..
where will you end the elevated road @ PH road when the PH road itself has only 2 lanes ???
now there is no way that the planned elevated road above PH road will reduce the traffic..
it will rather increase the traffic as seen near T.Nagar bus junction where there is no improvement even after building the bridge...
poor planning..

what are you talking about? first of all it is still not decided if it would be one elevated road or set of flyovers. in all likelihood, it would be set of flyovers. and it clearly states it will end at aminjikarai. and why does it need to be extended till koyambedu? traffic after anna arch/mmda colony to koyambedu is not so much.

cost of these flyovers (6 km long) would be about few hundred crores. that is not going to put a big hole in budgets of government when they are spending tens of thousand of crores to improve urban infrastructure. do you even read about metro rails being implemented in various cities in india?

Update:

SOMA has commenced Pile load testing near Koyembedu opp the metro depot. Currently two piling machines has been engaged in the piling work. With the completion of the piling work for the metro in IRR and in Koyembedu market. We can expect more piling machines to be engaged in the work. Currently Soil testing is in progress near the cooum river in Arumbakkam. They have also completed the Site office work in Chetpet.

what are you talking about? first of all it is still not decided if it would be one elevated road or set of flyovers. in all likelihood, it would be set of flyovers. and it clearly states it will end at aminjikarai. and why does it need to be extended till koyambedu? traffic after anna arch/mmda colony to koyambedu is not so much.


how can a congested road can have a set of elevated bridges ??
where will u start & end the elevated roads ?
will it not mess up the existing conditions ?????
the area near aminjikarai is already congested due to the mall..
how can you end the elevated road in an already congested area ?? :bash:
the road should end in a place where traffic is less which happens only after koyambedu...

Update:

We can expect more piling machines to be engaged in the work. Currently Soil testing is in progress near the cooum river in Arumbakkam. They have also completed the Site office work in Chetpet.

is this update for the metro or expressway ?

in a capital deficient country where crores are needed to be spent on basic needs, unnecessary costs cannot be afforded by the govt..
the planned elevated road should have been integrated with the koyambedu junction much much earlier...its too late now..
where will you end the elevated road @ PH road when the PH road itself has only 2 lanes ???
now there is no way that the planned elevated road above PH road will reduce the traffic..
it will rather increase the traffic as seen near T.Nagar bus junction where there is no improvement even after building the bridge...
poor planning..
Huh...:doh:You are speculating too many things here. India needs huge investments in Infrastructure and Education. Why you worry about cost first? If something is technically feasible and the difference in cost is just few crores whats wrong in giving a go ahead. Stop pretending that India doesn't have money, 75Ton crores was just for games dear. Come out this dilemma please and spare this thread.

is this update for the metro or expressway ?


FOR THE ELEVATED EXPRESSWAY

Stop pretending that India doesn't have money, 75Ton crores was just for games dear.

do u have any idea abt the fiscal deficit of India ??
compare with other countries and u ll know the truth...
75k crores were spent on paper...
how much was actually spent ??? do u have the figures ???
wait for 2-3 weeks and u ll know it from CBI...
no point in spending huge money theoretically...
analyse what has cwg done to improve delhi's infrastructure ???
guess nothing..
then whats the use of spending huge money ??

^^ I assume you know little in economics. Have you heard about US fiscal deficit for this year? And about all major economies of the world? Do you know reasons for fiscal deficit and does any country still exists with budget surplus, if yes who are they and what are their economic activities? You are trying to link everything to one point. 75ton on paper will be less quoted I would say. Many would not have been accounted or over-rated.
no point in spending huge money theoretically...
analyse what has cwg done to improve delhi's infrastructure ???
This shows your ignorance in plenty and I cannot stop laughing. Visit delhi threads and see photos and how it was earlier and how it is now. Ofcourse, CWG had so many setbacks, corruption but on the whole it was a nice deal India got. I would say it could have been even better.

Please read this (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2010-24-e.htm) case study by Mathieu Frigon for Bank of Canada to know the implications of fiscal surplus and fiscal deficit.

Please read this (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2010-24-e.htm) case study by Mathieu Frigon for Bank of Canada to know the implications of fiscal surplus and fiscal deficit.

dont compare india with US which is 11 times bigger in terms of GDP..
dont compare a developed & a developing country...its foolish...:bash:
india in terms of contribution to world growth is very less inspite of huge spending..
what is the reason ???
take china which is 3.8 times bigger then india which is still a developing economy...they have huge trade surplus...
their spending gets the world's attention..
corruption is everywhere but what is the difference ???????
proper planning & execution is the key...
know the facts before posting..

Please read this (http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2010-24-e.htm) case study by Mathieu Frigon for Bank of Canada to know the implications of fiscal surplus and fiscal deficit.

its total crap to take a case study of one country and asking it to analyse & implement for other countries...

each country has its own implications which must be understood from a broader perspective...that is what china is doing...

they dont follow any country..they do what is right for them, which is great..

^^ I assume you know little in economics. Have you heard about US fiscal deficit for this year? And about all major economies of the world? Do you know reasons for fiscal deficit and does any country still exists with budget surplus, if yes who are they and what are their economic activities? You are trying to link everything to one point. 75ton on paper will be less quoted I would say. Many would not have been accounted or over-rated.

This shows your ignorance in plenty and I cannot stop laughing. Visit delhi threads and see photos and how it was earlier and how it is now. Ofcourse, CWG had so many setbacks, corruption but on the whole it was a nice deal India got. I would say it could have been even better.

for a country which has spent nearly 787 billion dollars (as stimulus) can afford to have fiscal deficit because they knows that it can recover the money once the economy booms..

for a poor country like india where corruption is worsening the existing situation, money should not be wasted..

tel me if yur entire life is only with nice decorative photos..
what good has it done to common man ???
the whole CWG is a sham/scam for India (whatever u cal it)..
u r calling it a nice deal..:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Keep to the topic dude.. Take this to the Discussions thread..

take china which is 3.8 times bigger then india which is still a developing economy...they have huge trade surplus...
Huh...Do you have any idea about the difference between trade surplus and fiscal surplus? China has 1.05 Trillion yuan fiscal deficit this year. All your writings are crap and just sentimental outbursts as someone said. Yes I must have ignored you. :bash:

tel me if yur entire life is only with nice decorative photos..
what good has it done to common man ???
the whole CWG is a sham/scam for India (whatever u cal it)..
u r calling it a nice deal..
God give me patience!

its total crap to take a case study of one country and asking it to analyse & implement for other countries...

each country has its own implications which must be understood from a broader perspective...that is what china is doing...

they dont follow any country..they do what is right for them, which is great..
I haven't said to apply Canada rules here. I gave this link just to let you know how fiscal surplus and fiscal deficit happens for a country and what significance it has on the overall economy. It is common for any country.

I promised myself not to reply you henceforth.

I promised myself not to reply you henceforth.

according to Keynesian theory, fiscal deficit is directly proportional to trade deficit..
increase in fiscal deficit will increase domestic consumption in the economy which consequently increases the income level. This increase in income would increase more imports and the deficit in the trade balance will be increased...
despite trade surplus, the fiscal deficit is due to huge govt expenditure on useful infra projects...
dont teach me economics..i know enough of it..

according to Keynesian theory, fiscal deficit is directly proportional to trade deficit..
increase in fiscal deficit will increase domestic consumption in the economy which consequently increases the income level. This increase in income would increase more imports and the deficit in the trade balance will be increased...
despite trade surplus, the fiscal deficit is due to huge govt expenditure on useful infra projects...
dont teach me economics..i know enough of it..
I break my promise. Atleast this time before writing crap you googled. Nice try. As you have put it rightly, increase in fiscal deficit will increase domestic consumption which does increase the income level, why you cry not to invest in this flyover due to increase in cost (say few XX crores) saying we already have huge fiscal deficit? Loose your point? (Surprise that now you are looking answers from an American Economist, a westener and not within India)

And btw, fiscal deficit is not always directly proportional to trade deficit. Trade deficit is when your exports is less than imports (includes private players as well) where as fiscal deficit is when federal government spends more than its revenue gains from taxes (does not include private players). That is why China has huge trade surplus as well as fiscal deficit, if both are directly proportional both would be deficit or both would be surplus. Don't hide behind Keynesian, he never said both are directly proportional.

To know more about Keynesian's theory, here (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm) is a review.

I feel this can be continued in chaibar if you like, it will be a change for you to post outside Elevated Expressway thread :)

according to Keynesian theory, fiscal deficit is directly proportional to trade deficit..
dont teach me economics..i know enough of it..
Dear friend,
keynesian theory is suitable only for US and western countries that are more capitalistic.. It had never worked the proof of which is the emergency period during Indra Gandhi period..I recommend "THE Market That Failed by Jayati Ghosh C P Chandrasekhar" which gives insight on Indian economics during that time

the exact figures may be contradicting (fiscal deficit vs trade surplus)..
but the trend ll always remain the same..no one go againsnt the trend...

both variables are directly proportional...even god cant change that..
keynes may not tel it directly, but it is meant indirectly..

Both don't go hand in hand dear. It is different concepts. How a trade surplus helps boost economy, a fiscal deficit would boost the economy well. Fiscal surplus curbs liquidity, but trade surplus increase liquidity. Trade deficit raises inflation whereas fiscal surplus raise deflation. But if you ask me whether there will be influence of one on other, then I would give you a strong yes. Influence is different from directly proportional.

I break my promise. Atleast this time before writing crap you googled.

so it means that u have everything in yur head and others are only googling..
really dont understand yur problem...
:bash::bash::bash::bash:
i am an MBA student studying macro economics..

coming back to the elevated project..
unless env clearance & HC cases are cleared, the project will not kick off..

no point in doing soil tests without obtaining mandatory clearances...
its just waste of time & money..

^^ I told you that was a nice try but you failed. You are quoting someone's name backing your argument who actually haven't said. You have chosen MBA macro economics, then soon you'll learn concepts. The basic difference between the concepts you proportionate is the player who involve in it. Anyway, ATB!

coming back to the elevated project..
unless env clearance & HC cases are cleared, the project will not kick off..

no point in doing soil tests without obtaining mandatory clearances...
its just waste of time & money..
This is not where you started. For this I replied you a week back that what should happen will certainly happen..

Both don't go hand in hand dear. It is different concepts. How a trade surplus helps boost economy, a fiscal deficit would boost the economy well. Fiscal surplus curbs liquidity, but trade surplus increase liquidity. Trade deficit raises inflation whereas fiscal surplus raise deflation. But if you ask me whether there will be influence of one on other, then I would give you a strong yes. Influence is different from directly proportional.


i meant trade deficit & fiscal deficit go hand in hand..
i accept the liquidity criteria..
inflation can be controlled by monetary measures which indirectly affects the trade & govt spending..

Really? If FD ~ TD then the inverse of it that is FS must also be directly proportional to TS. I used surplus, instead I must have used deficit itself. Here it is, fiscal deficit increases liquidity but trade deficit decrease liquidity as your money goes out. Now tell me are they directly proportional?

This is not where you started. For this I replied you a week back that what should happen will certainly happen..

am again telling that keynes may not have phrased it but it indirectly means it..
its very imp to study a theory's implications/outcomes rather than just the definition..

this is the same point i am emphasizing right from the start..
how can soil tests be done without clearances ??
by the way "what should happen will certainly happen" were my comments and not yurs...

^^ Obviously its your word, I put exactly, so chill it. Even you scream here and hell bent to stop this, if it is going to happen it will happen.

PS: Sorry readers, tonight I'm traveling back to India, I'm getting bored in handover process, so this is my time pass. :lol:

Really? If FD ~ TD then the inverse of it that is FS must also be directly proportional to TS. I used surplus, instead I must have used deficit itself. Here it is, fiscal deficit increases liquidity but trade deficit decrease liquidity as your money goes out. Now tell me are they directly proportional?

when 2 variables are directly proportional, then their inverse values may or may not be directly proportional..
its true only for mathematics where if a~b then 1/a ~ 1/b..
these ar not just mathematical numbers, they are concepts/models and their inverse need not be proportional..

when 2 variables are directly proportional, then their inverse values may or may not be directly proportional..
its true only for mathematics where if a~b then 1/a ~ 1/b..
these ar not just mathematical numbers, they are concepts/models and their inverse need not be proportional..
:nono: Inverse in money denotes negative value or opposite or reverse. If a ~b, then -a ~ -b. Wheres the answer for my main question?
BTW, give me example in real time scenario where If a ~ b, then 1/a !~ 1/b

The CWG: What Comes Next?



The Games might be over but we have yet to see how the consequences will play out


Sudipto Mundle




The Commonwealth Games are over and the crooks are starting to run. The investigating agencies are after them. As the authorities chase the money trail and do their hard accounting, it’s time for us to do some soft accounting. Who are the winners and losers of these Games, and what will be the fallout?
The biggest winners, of course, are all the sports women and men who won medals, especially our own. With a tally of over a hundred medals, including 37 golds, they catapulted India into second place. For a country with India’s poor track record, this was indeed a dramatic achievement. Whether the rest of India will now follow Haryana in taking sports more seriously we shall have to wait and see.
The other big winners are our security forces, though this has scarcely been noticed. From traffic management to crowd management to the successful prevention of any terrorist attacks, theirs was indeed a remarkable achievement. The successful defence against persistent cyber attacks was particularly impressive, and this did get wide coverage. Cyberspace is the new terrain of war in the 21 st century, with China a major player in the field. It is heartening to see that we have the capacity to defend ourselves in this terrain.
I guess the residents of Delhi are winners too, with their vastly expanded metro system and everything else. No other city in the world has ever got such a vastly expanded metro system in such a short time. E Sreedharan and his team have once again delivered. However, the new airport is operating well below its intended capacity. Much of the new road infrastructure looks shoddy, incomplete and unplanned. And the traffic jams are back.

On the other side, the biggest loser is India the nation. Over the past few decades, India has raised itself to the high table of the comity of
nations. Brand India is much envied and much sought after in the global market place. All Indians have contributed to the building of this brand. Now, a small bunch of carpetbaggers has virtually destroyed that brand in the space of a few months by its negligence, sheer incompetence and malfeasance. It has humiliated us in front of the whole world as a country that just couldn’t get its act together. It has made us the laughing stock of the world by announcing that the toilets in the Games Village were filthy because our standards of hygiene are different. Worst of all, it has demonstrated that India is a country of rampant corruption. The value of this loss of India’s reputation is incalculable. It goes far beyond the thousands of crores that have reportedly been stashed away.
That brings us to the other big loser, the taxpaying public. As an advertisement of the tax authorities reminded us during the Games, it is the taxpayer who has paid for the bulk of all the infrastructure, the Games budget and all other expenses associated with it. So if there has been malfeasance, if services and products have been grossly overpriced or if their quality has been compromised, then it is you and i, the taxpaying public, who have been effectively duped.
Now these investigations are underway to find out who stole how much money. Will anything come of it? There are two opposite views doing the rounds both in the streets of Delhi and on the cocktail circuit. The cynical view is that nothing will happen. Corruption is now an integral part of the Indian reality and Indians have learned to live with it. Moreover, there are so many agencies involved and there are so many who have been on the take that it will be impossible to nail the guilty. Public memory will soon fade, and after that, the inquiries too will quietly fade away. This view cites our history. The 2G scandal is only the latest in a long series of episodes where public outcry leads to an inquiry, the inquiry goes on, the public moves on and all is forgotten.
Then there is the other view that this time it is different. The corruption has been so rampant and brazen that it has crossed a tipping point. A generally tolerant public is too angry to forgive and forget this time. The media too has sensed this public mood and will not let go easily. Nor will the parties of the opposition. The ruling party has two options. It can follow the usual whitewashing course, and possibly pay a heavy price in future elections. Or it can seriously go after the crooks, including possibly a few of its own, and for that sacrifice earn a great deal of public popularity. That wouldn’t hurt in the next elections. Is this the turning point to a new politics of transparency and performance, or is it just wishful thinking? We shall have to wait and see.
The writer is emeritus professor at the National Institute of Public Finance and Policy, New Delhi.

for people who think CWG is a success read the above TOI Article..
there are many positives but the unfortunately the negatives outweigh the positives...

:nono: Inverse in money denotes negative value or opposite or reverse. If a ~b, then -a ~ -b. Wheres the answer for my main question?
BTW, give me example in real time scenario where If a ~ b, then 1/a !~ 1/b

sorry friend..
how can money or any real thing turn negative ?
it can only decrease in value which is termed inverse..
inverse of a is 1/a and not -a

wont the minus sign cancel on either side to bring back a~b

Oh..please, are you reading other threads apart from this one? You are an economic student right, then see this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64818095&postcount=6506). You can understand the cycle the games will create. Can you quote any games that has ever happened without any flaws?

sorry friend..
how can money or any real thing turn negative ?
it can only decrease in value which is termed inverse..
inverse of a is 1/a and not -a

wont the minus sign cancel on either side to bring back a~b
Hehehe, you are making my day today. I said IF a ~b, then -a ~ -b, you are saying both negative signs gets cancelled and brings back a ~ b. My goodness. You are joking that you are an economic student. If I borrow money from you, I add value to my credit and you deduct money in your debit. Do you divide your money? And do you mean fiscal deficit (a) is inverse of fiscal surplus (1/a). Nooooooo !!

Mods, if you want to delete all these, please do.

Oh..please, are you reading other threads apart from this one? You are an economic student right, then see this (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64818095&postcount=6506). You can understand the cycle the games will create. Can you quote any games that has ever happened without any flaws?

just because others are doing wrong its not a rule that everyone must do the same wrong thing..

will we commit a mistake just because another person has done it..
why cant we think of doing something in the right way ??
no one has done nothing right, but "why cant we" is the question ?

Hehehe, you are making my day today. I said IF a ~b, then -a ~ -b, you are saying both negative signs gets cancelled and brings back a ~ b. My goodness. You are joking that you are an economic student. If I borrow money from you, I add value to my credit and you deduct money in your debit. Do you divide your money? And do you mean fiscal deficit (a) is inverse of fiscal surplus (1/a). Nooooooo !!

Mods, if you want to delete all these, please do.

you are confusing between the actual values and the relation...

fiscal surplus = - (fiscal deficit) --> here the actual values are opposite or negative...
look at the trend, if FS increase then FD decreases
this is denoted as FD ~ 1/FS
there is a difference between actual values and relation..
FD = -(FS) is the equation but FD~(1/FS) is the relation..
when it comes to variables the trend/relation is more imp than the actual values...
the actual values may vary, but the trend/relation is the same (which is mathematically meant as inverse)...
hope u understand..

just because others are doing wrong its not a rule that everyone must do the same wrong thing..

will we commit a mistake just because another person has done it..
why cant we think of doing something in the right way ??
no one has done nothing right, but "why cant we" is the question ?
Why cant we is easiest question to answer. It is because India is democratic and opinion differs. Even you give your 100% there are persons who mock at you and criticize, the power of free speech. If media would have been patriotic or atleast if it brought both the sides from ground realities true to their heart, you won't be shameful about the games. The scar CWG created is not permanent, a chance in hosting Olympic games avoiding the mistakes done now will remove.

you are confusing between the actual values and the relation...

fiscal surplus = - (fiscal deficit) --> here the actual values are opposite or negative...
look at the trend, if FS increase then FD decreases
this is denoted as FD ~ 1/FS
there is a difference between actual values and relation..
FD = -(FS) is the equation but FD~(1/FS) is the relation..
when it comes to variables the trend/relation is more imp than the actual values...
the actual values may vary, but the trend/relation is the same (which is mathematically meant as inverse)...
hope u understand..
:rofl: OMG, Hilarious!! FD = -(FS) is the equation but FD~(1/FS) is the relation.. :lol: :lol::lol: so if I have 100 crores fiscal deficit, how much is fiscal surplus and how it is related? if FS increase then FD decreases :lol: First of all, both cannot co-exist. Let me repeat when it comes to money, inverse means negative and not division. It is different from normal inverse you have in maths.

Why cant we is easiest question to answer. It is because India is democratic and opinion differs. Even you give your 100% there are persons who mock at you and criticize, the power of free speech. If media would have been patriotic or atleast if it brought both the sides from ground realities true to their heart, you won't be shameful about the games. The scar CWG created is not permanent, a chance in hosting Olympic games avoiding the mistakes done now will remove.

patriotism is not blindly supporting the country..
if mistakes are done, it must be highlighted so that it is not done again..
the media criticizes for the wrong doings and making ppl accountable..
its not their mistake..
you went way ahead of time by mentioning Olympics..
lets see if an Asian games is held again in India...
even if held, just cant imagine the potential corruption..
for a country which is dreaming of a single Olympic gold medal every time, hosting the olympic games itself is way beyond india's reach and capacity...

:rofl: OMG, Hilarious!! FD = -(FS) is the equation but FD~(1/FS) is the relation.. :lol: :lol::lol: so if I have 100 crores fiscal deficit, how much is fiscal surplus and how it is related? Let me repeat when it comes to money, inverse means negative and not division. It is different from normal inverse you have in maths.

i really dont want to waste time with a person who is confused abt basic maths...
i will not to reply to you...
i ll not break my promise for any sake...
ATB

I don't say media should shut its mouth but it has to be well balanced, should not see one side coin, and more specifically realistic on ground truth.

i really dont want to waste time with a person who is confused abt basic maths...
i will not to reply to you...
i ll not break my promise for any sake...
ATB
Hehehe... I suspect that you really pursue MBA in economics. But basically I'm M.SC in Mathematics and now doing MBA in Finance. I know what I write and I don't bluff in someones name. You have to answer few questions, if you oblige not to, so be it. Anyway great fun time with you :cheers:

Thank God I am happy this discussion on Economics came to an end. Lets continue with the status of the Project. At the end of the day all of us as a team are intrested in commuting fast and would love Projects to be completed with least duration and disturbance. We would love to see Chennai which is slum free and decent housing provided to all persons affected. The humane side of every poject need to be addressed and everyone will support the cause.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/29/stories/2010102962290300.htm

CHENNAI: The Save Chennai Beaches campaign comprising prominent residents and fisher folk has opposed the draft Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) 2010 notification and want no roads-on-stilts to be permitted in the coastal areas.

At a press conference here on Thursday, people from different fields said elevated corridor is not the solution to decongest traffic in the city. Improving the public transport is a better and long-term solution than such facilities as they would affect marine life and displace the local residents.

According to K.P. Subramanian, retired professor of Anna University and traffic engineer, roads-on-stilt is a column of low height on which vehicles pass. The volume and speed with which vehicles pass makes these structure vulnerable, thus impacting environment, hydrology and ecology. Stilt columns are vulnerable to earthquake.

The Save Chennai Beaches Campaign members said that if the exemption to road-on-stilts makes it into the final CRZ notification, three projects — the Chennai Port-Maduravoyal Elevated Expressway over the Cooum river, the High Speed Circular Transport Corridor, and the Elevated Beach Expressway — will get environment clearance and become a permitted activity under CRZ 2010.

Nityanand Jayaraman, activist representing Save Chennai Beaches Campaign, said “The CRZ 2010 is a permissive notification. Until then, we want the unedited version of CRZ 1991 to be applied till the notification is passed.”

Shekar Dattatri, wildlife filmmaker, said the elevated expressway projects are a short-sighted plan introduced to fulfil the aspirations of a few people.

Talking of how the marine life would be affected, he said being an eco-sensitive zone olive riddle turtles are going to be disturbed by the illumination on the highway.

S. Raghavan, retired deputy director general, Indian Metrology Department, spoke on how the beach would get polluted and the consequent health problems.

C. V. K. Maithreya, president, Theosophical Order of Service, Chennai Region, said the government should look at developing satellite cities with housing and educational facilities.

The last date for the public to give suggestions/comments on the draft notification to the Ministry of Environment and Forest is November 14.

For all these Environment folks, there is one simple question is how to shift the 1000 or 2000 odd containers from Chennai Port to outside the city on a regular basis without waiting fo 10pm to 6 am everyday. All the Gov't & people are looking for is a simple solution. How does the marine life get affected if something is built over Coouum and that to at an elevated structure. For any industry to grow we need Ports & connectivity.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/29/stories/2010102962290300.htm

CHENNAI: The Save Chennai Beaches campaign comprising prominent residents and fisher folk has opposed the draft Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) 2010 notification and want no roads-on-stilts to be permitted in the coastal areas.

At a press conference here on Thursday, people from different fields said elevated corridor is not the solution to decongest traffic in the city. Improving the public transport is a better and long-term solution than such facilities as they would affect marine life and displace the local residents.

According to K.P. Subramanian, retired professor of Anna University and traffic engineer, roads-on-stilt is a column of low height on which vehicles pass. The volume and speed with which vehicles pass makes these structure vulnerable, thus impacting environment, hydrology and ecology. Stilt columns are vulnerable to earthquake.

The Save Chennai Beaches Campaign members said that if the exemption to road-on-stilts makes it into the final CRZ notification, three projects — the Chennai Port-Maduravoyal Elevated Expressway over the Cooum river, the High Speed Circular Transport Corridor, and the Elevated Beach Expressway — will get environment clearance and become a permitted activity under CRZ 2010.

Nityanand Jayaraman, activist representing Save Chennai Beaches Campaign, said “The CRZ 2010 is a permissive notification. Until then, we want the unedited version of CRZ 1991 to be applied till the notification is passed.”

Shekar Dattatri, wildlife filmmaker, said the elevated expressway projects are a short-sighted plan introduced to fulfil the aspirations of a few people.

Talking of how the marine life would be affected, he said being an eco-sensitive zone olive riddle turtles are going to be disturbed by the illumination on the highway.

S. Raghavan, retired deputy director general, Indian Metrology Department, spoke on how the beach would get polluted and the consequent health problems.
C. V. K. Maithreya, president, Theosophical Order of Service, Chennai Region, said the government should look at developing satellite cities with housing and educational facilities.

The last date for the public to give suggestions/comments on the draft notification to the Ministry of Environment and Forest is November 14.

How do u improve public transport with out expanding roadways?Will public transport take the air route.:lol: professor subramanian seems to be ignorant about basics.Even the present state of beaches except the marina are filthy spoiled mainly by the fishing communities living there.

For all these Environment folks, there is one simple question is how to shift the 1000 or 2000 odd containers from Chennai Port to outside the city on a regular basis without waiting fo 10pm to 6 am everyday. All the Gov't & people are looking for is a simple solution. How does the marine life get affected if something is built over Coouum and that to at an elevated structure. For any industry to grow we need Ports & connectivity.

There are 2 different projects.

You are talking about Port to Madhuravoyal EEWay.

The protest is against Santhome ECR EEWay. This EEway runs along the beach and SSC Chennai has discussed threadbare on this issue. Please read the old posts.

How do u improve public transport with out expanding roadways?Will public transport take the air route.:lol: professor subramanian seems to be ignorant about basics.Even the present state of beaches except the marina are filthy spoiled mainly by the fishing communities living there.

Ranga SIr,

It was a surprise to read such a comment from you.

Please go through the details on the proposed coastal elevated expressway already discussed in SSC Chennai.

This is not wrt to the Port connectivity.

http://www.hindu.com/2010/10/29/stories/2010102962290300.htm

CHENNAI: The Save Chennai Beaches campaign comprising prominent residents and fisher folk has opposed the draft Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) 2010 notification and want no roads-on-stilts to be permitted in the coastal areas.

According to K.P. Subramanian, retired professor of Anna University and traffic engineer, roads-on-stilt is a column of low height on which vehicles pass. The volume and speed with which vehicles pass makes these structure vulnerable, thus impacting environment, hydrology and ecology. Stilt columns are vulnerable to earthquake.



One can only laugh at Professors like KPS. He could be another one who chose Academic field by default. The highlighted portion shows off his grasp.
All those "Jibbawalahs" in the name of "save Chennai Beaches" are only trying to save their own selfish interest.

You want to save 'marine life'. Then ban Fishing in seas around India,first. Why these people don't consider 'fish' as marine life.Fishermen all along the coastline ,who refuse to shift to other profession will remain a curse for few more centuries.You don't need 25 lakhs of them to feed TN People with fresh catches.

There are plenty of stories on 'Turtles' in Discovery,on how they overcome natural 'predators' or human intervention to multiply.Our Chennai guys just need not bother about them.When one lakh predators wait to feed on newly hatched ones coming out of beaches,these turtles join together and hatch in millions so that 90 percent of them will survive.

People who never have dived to see 'coral' formation and life around keep talking about such fancy things,just because they have exposure to 'NG,Discovery' channels.

My vote is for Elevated freeways to Port,to ECR etc.

One can only laugh at Professors like KPS. He could be another one who chose Academic field by default. The highlighted portion shows off his grasp.
All those "Jibbawalahs" in the name of "save Chennai Beaches" are only trying to save their own selfish interest.

You want to save 'marine life'. Then ban Fishing in seas around India,first. Why these people don't consider 'fish' as marine life.Fishermen all along the coastline ,who refuse to shift to other profession will remain a curse for few more centuries.You don't need 25 lakhs of them to feed TN People with fresh catches.

There are plenty of stories on 'Turtles' in Discovery,on how they overcome natural 'predators' or human intervention to multiply.Our Chennai guys just need not bother about them.When one lakh predators wait to feed on newly hatched ones coming out of beaches,these turtles join together and hatch in millions so that 90 percent of them will survive.

People who never have dived to see 'coral' formation and life around keep talking about such fancy things,just because they have exposure to 'NG,Discovery' channels.

My vote is for Elevated freeways to Port,to ECR etc.

If your vote is required from person who has been to coral formations, researched on diffferent types of forests including the Albizzia Amara community which the Chennai hinterland is made of and tropical forests - for many years and a person who has done turtle walks.. then let me be the one who can say yes to all the above and more.

The above issue is not for Elevated Port Freeway or ECR. This is primarily for the elevated coastal Highway and the introduction of CRZ 2010 which they plan to implement at draft stage without due diligence. They are just diluting the existing CRZ regulations to bend the rules to favor their requirements.

Since you seem to have challenged the issue as an expert, I would like to know more about your expertise on Turtles - their population structures, how they overcome it, the modern challenges including the raising acidity of the oceans, large scale deaths of massive coral colonies .. hopefully not the ones you learnt from Discovery but as a researcher.

I am not being sarcastic.. just trying to understand if we can take that expertise and apply it to other species which i am interested in. I was also amazed the numbers you seem to be churning that 90% of the hatchlings survive. Either you must have done first hand research to say that or must be on something. Even the basic biology student will refute this. Please provide your credible research or dont amplify your ignorance.

Thanks in advance. I am carefully focussing to discuss not about fishermen, development etc.

For the records - I support careful implementation of the Port Expressway, but am definitely against the highly ill conceived coastal highway in its current form. The issue is not about ECR.. its too old story.

For all these Environment folks, there is one simple question is how to shift the 1000 or 2000 odd containers from Chennai Port to outside the city on a regular basis without waiting fo 10pm to 6 am everyday. All the Gov't & people are looking for is a simple solution. How does the marine life get affected if something is built over Coouum and that to at an elevated structure. For any industry to grow we need Ports & connectivity.

I think Kannan already highlighted this. This specific issue is twofold

a) Dilution of CRZ regulations - This will not only impact such projects but also other coastal developement. Need to be carefully reviewed not just rushed with a draft. This is basically creating loopholes in the law which they are already implementing very poorly.

b) The issue is primarily affecting the Coastal Expressway. I believe the Port Expressway issues are more endemic in nature as opposed to this CRZ draft. I do not believe this CRZ draft will change the response / research required by Envt. Ministry.

The question is more of how much development and defacement you want on your beach. The issues of fishermen and coastal ecology become secondary atleast from political viewpoint.

One can only laugh at Professors like KPS. He could be another one who chose Academic field by default. The highlighted portion shows off his grasp.
All those "Jibbawalahs" in the name of "save Chennai Beaches" are only trying to save their own selfish interest.

You want to save 'marine life'. Then ban Fishing in seas around India,first. Why these people don't consider 'fish' as marine life.Fishermen all along the coastline ,who refuse to shift to other profession will remain a curse for few more centuries.You don't need 25 lakhs of them to feed TN People with fresh catches.

There are plenty of stories on 'Turtles' in Discovery,on how they overcome natural 'predators' or human intervention to multiply.Our Chennai guys just need not bother about them.When one lakh predators wait to feed on newly hatched ones coming out of beaches,these turtles join together and hatch in millions so that 90 percent of them will survive.

People who never have dived to see 'coral' formation and life around keep talking about such fancy things,just because they have exposure to 'NG,Discovery' channels.

My vote is for Elevated freeways to Port,to ECR etc.

as someone said before, its very easy to extrapolate figures..
many ppl ll laugh only after reading yur comment..
u r asking a person do stop his work..how silly ?? :bash:

what ll he do then ??
do charity ??

r u ready to quit yur job ??
we are talking abt the marine life affected due to activities that are out of the scope of marine domain..fishing is a part of the marine domain...

growth has to be inclusive and all the sections of the people has to benefit..

I think environment is anyway destroyed in chennai with people dumping trash(including plastic) everywhere including the sea. So I doubt expressway or no expressway is going to solve pollution. But we desperately need better road infrastructure considering the population growth. So these elevated expressways are absolutely necessary.

Citiconnect Chennai is calling interested people to participate in the Pallikaranai marsh conservation. Feel free to express your interest by posting a comment at this link (http://praja.in/en/blog/edsley/2010/11/01/pallikaranai-marsh-conservation)

PLAN STILL AFLOAT
Port connectivity project not shelved, NHAI tells high court
TIMES NEWS NETWORK
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=TOINEW&BaseHref=TOICH/2010/11/13&PageLabel=2&EntityId=Ar00202&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

Chennai: The National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) on Friday told the Madras high court that the 600-crore Chennai Port-Ennore Port connectivity project has not been shelved.
The NHAI counsel, additional advocate-general P Wilson, made this submission when a public interest petition seeking expeditious implementation the project came up before the first bench comprising Chief Justice M Yusuf Eqbal and Justice T S Sivagnanam.
The petition, filed by a group of advocates who are residents of the accident-prone regions of North Chennai, expressed concern at the delay in implementation of the project, high incidence of fatal accidents and poor road safety measures taken by the government. It sought a ban on the movement of trailers and containers on the existing stretch till the completion of the four-laning work.
Noting that the contract was cancelled because the contractor did not stick to the terms of the contract, Wilson said the NHAI was in the process of floating a new tender for the four-part contract. Recording the statement, the bench directed the authorities to file a status report within two weeks.
In their petition, the advocates contended that the project was crucial for the development of North Chennai and that it would improve the poor road safety record in the region. Though first floated in 2006 with an aim of completing the work before 2007, the contract awarded to the East Coast Construction Industries Limited was cancelled in 2007 itself. Later, the plan outlay was increased to 600 crore from the original 309 crore and was awarded to National Asphalt. This time too it did not materialise as the company withdrew from the project citing non-release of funds.
The petitioners said over 25,000 families living in the region were severely affected by hectic development not matched by the requisite infrastructure, and claimed that more than 500 people had been killed in road accidents in the past 18 months. Another 3,000 people had suffered injuries, they said.
Though the road is not ready, trailers and containers heading to ports and thermal power station were causing havoc in the locality, they said.

^^
wrong thread. this is a different port connectivity project.

Karunanidhi writes to Prime Minister

“There is a strong apprehension among coastal communities”


CHENNAI: Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi on Friday requested Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to defer issuing the Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) notification till the apprehensions of fisherfolk and environmentalists are allayed.

In a letter, Mr. Karunanidhi said there was a strong apprehension among the coastal communities that the draft notification would cause widespread destruction to the livelihood of fishing communities and other poor communities in the coastal areas, resulting in damage to coastal ecology and marine resources.

Further, it was felt that the introduction of amendments under the draft CRZ Notification 2010 such as “revision of Coastal Zone Management Plans every five years”, “hazard line”, “critically vulnerable coastal areas”, gave the scope to tamper with zones and accommodate new interests from time to time.

Already, the State was experiencing a series of agitations in the coastal areas, strongly opposing the draft Notification.

Environmental concerns

Environmental groups were also apprehensive that· the draft CRZ notification 2010 encouraged growth of certain interest groups at the cost of environment.

“Any drastic changes in the existing regulations may cause distress among the fisherfolk and some interested groups may create law and order problems utilising the situation,” Mr. Karunanidhi said.

The Chief Minister recalled that in September 2008 he had requested Dr. Singh to defer issuing the draft Coastal Management Zone notification 2008 till the coastal communities, especially fishermen, accepted it.

The notification was allowed to lapse then, Mr. Karunanidhi pointed out.

The present letter was in response to the publication of the draft CRZ notification in September 2010, requesting objections or suggestions, he added.


Sources : The Hindu (Saturday, Nov 20, 2010)

It is to protect coastal ecological zones in interest of traditional fishermen

Eminent agriculture scientist M.S. Swaminathan on Saturday defended the introduction of a hazard line in the draft Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) notification 2010. Speaking at the Foundation Day celebrations of National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT), Dr. Swaminathan said there was a need to protect coastal ecological zones in the interests of the traditional fishing community. For this, the hazard line should be introduced.

Welcoming the concerns expressed by Chief Minister M. Karunanidhi on the draft CRZ notification, Dr. Swaminathan said he was glad that Mr. Karunanidhi had raised the issue and that it could be modified now.

Already, he had suggested to the Central government that a separate legislation on the lines of Traditional Forest Dwellers Act 2006 be enacted to safeguard the livelihood and security of traditional fishermen in the country.

Marine animals were sensitive to changes in ocean temperature. With more and more reports of oil spills and damage to the marine ecosystem, more bio-remedial measures needed to be taken. Change in climate resulted in lesser fish yield, change in species distribution and increased variability of catches.

Mangrove forests were one of the best bio-shields to protect people from calamities such as tsunami. They would act as speed-breakers and reduce the impact of tsunami, he said.

M.A. Atmanand, Director, NIOT, said the Wave Energy Plant at Vizhinjam in Kerala was the first successful project implemented by NIOT.

Friends, any news about the starting of work of Maduravoyal-port expressway.??? foundation stone was laid in the year Jan 2009 by our PM. is there any work going on or still the files are there in Vasan and Jairam table for clearance.

Friends, any news about the starting of work of Maduravoyal-port expressway.??? foundation stone was laid in the year Jan 2009 by our PM. is there any work going on or still the files are there in Vasan and Jairam table for clearance.

As of now, no work is being done wrt Maduravoyal-port expressway.
The MOEF is yet to give env clearance for this project.
Just to give some insider news, the files are with the CBI who are investigating a case filed in High Court against Soma enterprise, who was awarded the contract for this project.

^^ Barricades have been put up near Maduravoyal, similar to the CMRL barricades. There was some work going on when I left for Bangalore on November 22nd. The barricade had the name "Chennai Elevated Expressways".

As of now, no work is being done wrt Maduravoyal-port expressway.
The MOEF is yet to give env clearance for this project.
Just to give some insider news, the files are with the CBI who are investigating a case filed in High Court against Soma enterprise, who was awarded the contract for this project.

What is that CBI case against Soma Enterprises (Hyd based company).I am interested to know as i deal with that company.

Case Related to previous Chennai Port Trust Chairman,an IAS cadre from MP and Tenders.

What is that CBI case against Soma Enterprises (Hyd based company).I am interested to know as i deal with that company.

Initially, L&T quoted around 750cr for the entire project which was aligned right on top of PH road.
Suddenly the L&T proposal was cancelled and SOMA was given permission for the same project with an estimate of whopping 1650cr that runs along Cooum river taking a snake-like path requiring huge land acquisitions.This proposal violated all the norms laid by MOEF.

A PIL ws filed against SOMA contesting its competency in building quality constructions. The case also includes charges against State Govt officials related to corruption. The authorities also need to explain why the proposal of L&T ws rejected.

When CBI made an initial raid in SOMA's office, no body was there to answer the questions raised in the PIL.

I personally, dont know how why the state govt chose SOMA ahead of L&T ?

From a lay man's perspective, it is a clear case of massive corruption.

^^
This is a CG project and not SG.

^^
This is a CG project and not SG.

This project is only implemented by NHAI.
The cost for this project is shared between Chennai port trust and State Govt (50% each).

Apart from NHAI (which is a central authority) and MOEF for env clearances, the central govt has nothing to do with this project.

The Project comes under Ministry of Shipping and Ministry of Surface Transport. State Govt share is in the form of land along coovum. Cost estimate jumped as resettling expenditure of evicted people was included in the Project cost .

You think that it is a State project because Mr TR Baalu of DMK was thw Cabinetl Minister for both the Ministries earlier.

The Project comes under Ministry of Shipping and Ministry of Surface Transport. State Govt share is in the form of land along coovum. Cost estimate jumped as resettling expenditure of evicted people was included in the Project cost .

You think that it is a State project because Mr TR Baalu of DMK was thw Cabinetl Minister for both the Ministries earlier.

When a project is funded by Chennai port trust and State Govt, how can you term this as a CG project ???
SG's share is not alone restricted to land but it has 50% share in this project.

Every project will be come under the respective central ministry(ministry of shipping in this case as it is related to a port) but that does not mean that every project is a CG project.
The funding is the key..
if a project is funded by SG, it is a SG project..
CG is in no way involved in the project funding...

As of now, no work is being done wrt Maduravoyal-port expressway.
The MOEF is yet to give env clearance for this project.
Just to give some insider news, the files are with the CBI who are investigating a case filed in High Court against Soma enterprise, who was awarded the contract for this project.

Work is going on between Maduravoyal and Koyambedu. I suppose no Environment clearance is required for this stretch since it will run above the existing road.

Work is going on between Maduravoyal and Koyambedu. I suppose no Environment clearance is required for this stretch since it will run above the existing road.

Can you please tell exactly what work is going on between Maduravoyal and Koyambedu. i dont think even a single pillar is out??? did you see any pillar

Initially, L&T quoted around 750cr for the entire project which was aligned right on top of PH road.
Suddenly the L&T proposal was cancelled and SOMA was given permission for the same project with an estimate of whopping 1650cr that runs along Cooum river taking a snake-like path requiring huge land acquisitions.This proposal violated all the norms laid by MOEF.

A PIL ws filed against SOMA contesting its competency in building quality constructions. The case also includes charges against State Govt officials related to corruption. The authorities also need to explain why the proposal of L&T ws rejected.

When CBI made an initial raid in SOMA's office, no body was there to answer the questions raised in the PIL.

I personally, dont know how why the state govt chose SOMA ahead of L&T ?

From a lay man's perspective, it is a clear case of massive corruption.


if there was corruption then why is CBI taking so long for the investigation. will the CBI raid the houses of TR BALU for maduravoyal-port road scam just like the CBI did raid A RAJA HOUSE

if there was corruption then why is CBI taking so long for the investigation. will the CBI raid the houses of TR BALU for maduravoyal-port road scam just like the CBI did raid A RAJA HOUSE

the reason for such delays are unknown in a country like india...
dont forget that india is a democratic country and so the decision making will be slow..

its election time too..dont expect any news from the state govt about the project..
even if the project was decided to be scrapped, the news will not come out now..

as mentioned by you, no work is going on the stretch related to this project..

the reason for such delays are unknown in a country like india...
dont forget that india is a democratic country and so the decision making will be slow..

its election time too..dont expect any news from the state govt about the project..
even if the project was decided to be scrapped, the news will not come out now..

as mentioned by you, no work is going on the stretch related to this project..


what u are telling is correct. since the election is round the corner , nothing will come out. i feel the project is shelved.
and CBI has become CONGRESS BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION.

Is the elevated expressway a 2 lane road becos the piling is done similar to the metro. 4 piles in the form of a square. Will it bear the load of full laden trucks.

Update

The work from the Byepass road end has reached Maduravoyal bus stand. Currently only piling in process. No pillar erection has been done. Pile load test near the Koyambedu market has been completed and is now done near MGR engineering college . Piling near Koyembedu has commenced.

I saw one excavator clearing the coovum banks near spurtank road now it has reached college road behind ethiraj college. 3 to 4 soil testing machines are working in the college road. The excavator has cleared the left side bank of coovum in spur tank road and college. All the trees has been cleared.

More updates shorthly.

^^ Thanks dude ,.,, Please give us a pic if possible ..:)

Another paper elevated expressway project!

Steel bridge would come up on Adayar river mouth as the part of 9.7KM Light house-Kottivakkam expressway at the cost of 978 crores INR

Road will be 17m wide and 4 lane.

Two phase of the project

- Light house to Besant Nagar 4.7KM at 469 crores INR
- Besant Nagar to Kottivakkam 5KM at 509 crores INR

250m long steel bridge will be constructed on Adayar mouth at the cost of 24crores without any pillar falling in the river mouth!

http://dkn.dinakaran.com/pdf/2010/12/12/20101212a_002101006.jpg

DKN

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2010/12/11/20101211a_00510100101.jpg

^^shame on u.cant u translate it in english:ohno:

^^ :lol: very Funny. It says the Hon'ble Shipping Minister Vasan will handover the cheques to NHAI towards the Ennore Connectivity Link project on behalf of Chennai Port and Ennore Port. Its a Dummy function to gain mileage.

But Dude, next time please try to add a 'please' in your request and the OP might start remembering to give subtitles rather than attempting to put another at shame. You won't die if you don't get the news. :)

^^shame on u.cant u translate it in english:ohno:

Respect dude respect.

You should request.

Which school did you go to?

http://epaper.dinakaran.com/pdf/2010/12/11/20101211a_00510100101.jpg

In the Ministry of Shipping Ad, it has been clearly Mentioned about the 1655 crores maduravoyal-port connectivity project. every time vasan comes to chennai or attend a function , he mentions about it. but what is happening in the background is hidden from us?? i am posting my doubts here. please clear it my friends.

1. Whether the project is still on or shelved?
2. Why is Soma taking so much time for soil testing. seeing the speed with which soma is working in Chennai metro serious doubts araise on expressway project.
3. whether we have got the required Clearance or still waiting for it.
4. whether there is any CBI(C stands for Congress) investigation going on as too why the project cost was increased from 750 crores to 1600 crores.
5. Did balu or DMK receive any kickbacks from soma.
6. whether the clearance is pending from Kamal Nath(National Highways Minsiter) or Jairam Ramesh( environment minister.)
7. whether there is any case pending to land acquisition in High Court and whether there is any stay on this project from court.
8. whether the state govt is taking up with central govt to speed up the process and start the work asap.
9. or whether this project will remain a non starter till the elections fearing the govt will lose votes because of clearing of houses and huts living along cooum and because of land that has to be acquired for this project.

^^shame on u.cant u translate it in english:ohno:

r u staying in TamilNadu ... ?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Notice-to-govt-on-beach-expressway/articleshow/7101861.cms

The Madras high court on Tuesday ordered notice to the State government on a writ petition seeking to quash the final feasibility report' of the proposed beach expressway from Light House to Besant Nagar.

The petition has been filed by C Kasinathan, a fisherman at Ururkuppam in Besant Nagar, who asked the court to set aside the feasibility report as "the consultants for the project, Wilbur Smith Associates, did not take into consideration the views of the stakeholders of the proposed expressway." He prayed that the court direct the government to prepare the report afresh.

The first bench of the court comprising chief justice M Yusuf Eqbal and justice TS Sivagnanam, before which the petition came up for hearing, said it was not inclined to stall any developmental work by passing interim orders and ordered the notice to government, returnable by four weeks.

In his petition, Kasinathan said the highways department had proposed to construct the link road from Light House on Kamarajar Salai to Besant Nagar through Santhome, Sreenivasapuram, Ururkuppam, including a high-level bridge across Adyar estuary to East Coast Road. The department, which proposes to implement the project in two phases, prepared the final feasibility report through Wilbur Smith Associates in May this year. The report claimed that it was prepared after having widespread consultations with all the stakeholders including fishing community and residents of the area, but it was not true, Kasinathan argued.

Alleging that the report also had misleading statements, he said it would be against the public interest for the government to proceed on such a report.

People from Ururkuppam and Olcott Kuppam joined the residents of many other areas in south Chennai, under the banner of Save Chennai Beaches Campaign, had taken out a procession asking the government not to act on the "false" feasibility report, he said. People from Mylapore, Thiruvanmiyur and Kottivakkam also had expressed objections to the government's move, he added.

Besides, the beaches of Marina, Besant Nagar, Thiruvanmiyur and Kottivakkam were all preferred recreation spaces for local residents and tourists visiting Chennai. These beaches were also nestling grounds for Olive Ridley turtles, he said.

Stating that public consultations were not mere a ritual to be conducted to appease the people but a crucial decision making tool to ensure smooth and efficient use of resources for maximum public good, the petitioner said the report should have considered the opinions from fishing community, beach-goers, local residents, vendors and turtle conservationists.

While the stakeholders were denied to be heard, the report "falsely" claimed that the public were welcoming the project, the petitioner added. The petitioner prayed to the court to restrain the government from proceeding further on the project based on the report and prepare a fresh feasibility study obtaining opinions from all stakeholders.

^^ IMO
Save the beaches - yes!!

Stop the expressway - yes!!

Evacuate slums along the beaches - Double yes !!! :bash: :bash:

^^

Much expected.

Chennai never going to see any elevated expressway atleast for next 10years.

-Port expressway is an approved paper project foundation laid by PM Manmohan.
-Expressway along adayar river is another paper project...
-Now this beach elevated expressway going to be stopped in this stage by Turtle guys and fisherman! I guess high class families in Santhome, Besant nagar, T.vanmiyur will be behind these Turtle guys and fisherman.... or else who will worry about the aamai and fisherman in this country.

i think we should wait for metro to be completed. And then decide about the beach expressway. It would be an eyesore jutting out of the beach. I guess once there are good bus and metro services, there would be no need of this expressway.

^^

Alternate road is needed along the beach from Santhome to Beasant Nagar/Thiruvanmiyur. Constructing the broken bridge and expanding the connecting roads of Kamarajar salai (from light house) with Beasant Nagar, Thiruvanmiyur will be shortest possible solution. This can be done in 2-3years with our Indian standard speed for executing a project.

MRTS is grossly under utilized ! If feeder service is available from T.vanmiyur MRTS to ECR localities, road traffic will be in control. Such feeder service can never be expected either from MTC or Southern railway.

I hope this elevated expressway project changes to 4 lane road project along the coast from Light house to Broken bridge. At Beasant nagar and Thiruvanmiyur residential roads should be considered for expansion and connecting it with ECR. This will bye-pass the ECR/Thiruvanmiyur or even OMR traffic from Adyar/Mylapore for enterting the CBD/Central.

MRTS is grossly under utilized ! If feeder service is available from T.vanmiyur MRTS to ECR localities, road traffic will be in control. Such feeder service can never be expected either from MTC or Southern railway.

That won't change while the stations are in the pathetic state they're in..

The completed stations are basically giant slum-cum-toilets, and the incomplete ones are dark, dingy, always filled with stagnant water and garbage.

It's a real chore to have to travel by the MRTS..

i am posting my doubts here. please clear it my friends.

1. Whether the project is still on or shelved?
2. Why is Soma taking so much time for soil testing. seeing the speed with which soma is working in Chennai metro serious doubts araise on expressway project.
3. whether we have got the required Clearance or still waiting for it.
4. whether there is any CBI(C stands for Congress) investigation going on as too why the project cost was increased from 750 crores to 1600 crores.
5. Did balu or DMK receive any kickbacks from soma.
6. whether the clearance is pending from Kamal Nath(National Highways Minsiter) or Jairam Ramesh( environment minister.)
7. whether there is any case pending to land acquisition in High Court and whether there is any stay on this project from court.
8. whether the state govt is taking up with central govt to speed up the process and start the work asap.
9. or whether this project will remain a non starter till the elections fearing the govt will lose votes because of clearing of houses and huts living along cooum and because of land that has to be acquired for this project.

below are my replies and i have been saying this many times in this forum about this project.

1. If the project is still on, where is the work going on ?
Its election times, so news about project scrapping will not come out.

2. SOMA is an incompetent company (a dust in front of L&T) to build huge projects. with very little knowledge the work will be slow.

3. This proejct has no clearance from MOEF and no public consultation has been done. The clearance was rejected thrice and TNSCZMA is trying hard to convince MOEF but in vain.

4. A CBI case is pending related to huge project cost

5. You still have doubts ??

7. A case is pending @ high court and initial hearing is yet to be done..

8. any insider info welcome..

9. certainly yes

^^

I guess high class families in Santhome, Besant nagar, T.vanmiyur will be behind these Turtle guys and fisherman.... or else who will worry about the aamai and fisherman in this country.

Very True.

Fisher folks in KK Dist add value to their life by building nice dwellings,eating and dressing well.May be they carry more of Kerala gene.

All other Tamil folks in this business love thatched huts and never learn to improve their lifestyle.I understand each outing to the sea can fetch them Rs 6000 worth of catch -single Boat. But alas, most of them work for a wage,Bulk of this income goes to the Boat owner.So no chance of any improvement, unless these people are diverted to other professions.

I would love the Day,all these huts are removed from the sea shore.Govt should form a "Fishermen rehabilitation Board" and set a 10 years target to resettle them.

-Now this beach elevated expressway going to be stopped in this stage by Turtle guys and fisherman! I guess high class families in Santhome, Besant nagar, T.vanmiyur will be behind these Turtle guys and fisherman.... or else who will worry about the aamai and fisherman in this country.

I don't qualify as high-class or anything, but to me, I don't care if the turtles, fishermen or mermaids stop that expressway. I'm just glad that it's not going to be an eyesore on the beach. I have no problem siding with the fishermen on this one.

Blocks have been piled up near Maduravoyal, within the CETL barricades.

Blocks have been piled up near Maduravoyal, within the CETL barricades.
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below are my replies and i have been saying this many times in this forum about this project.

1. If the project is still on, where is the work going on ?
Its election times, so news about project scrapping will not come out.

2. SOMA is an incompetent company (a dust in front of L&T) to build huge projects. with very little knowledge the work will be slow.

3. This proejct has no clearance from MOEF and no public consultation has been done. The clearance was rejected thrice and TNSCZMA is trying hard to convince MOEF but in vain.

4. A CBI case is pending related to huge project cost

5. You still have doubts ??

7. A case is pending @ high court and initial hearing is yet to be done..

8. any insider info welcome..

9. certainly yes


thanks rg49274. so i think this project will not become a reality in future. in other words this might become another sethusamudram

I guess high class families in Santhome, Besant nagar, T.vanmiyur will be behind these Turtle guys and fisherman.... or else who will worry about the aamai and fisherman in this country.

Very true!! It's hard to believe that they care for fishermen while doing nothing about the fishermen getting killed in Rameswaram.

They are clearing the trees and the scrubs along the left bank of cooum with an excavator in Spurtank road and there were soil testing machines in between hope it is for the expressway

Though a lot of people talk about the fishing community, nowadays they are involved mostly in other activites other than fishing. In the case of Rameswaram the whole community of Northern Srilanka lives on the smuggled goods provided by the these people. Even simple items such as soap to fuel are smuggled from India and this is a roaring buisness.Everyone from Indian Navy to Srilankan navy are in their payrolls and when disputes arise these killing occur. The killings are inter gang wars on who smuggles most. It has nothing to do with the fishing business.

^^ seriously ?? News le appavi meenavargal suttu kolla patargal nu solradhu lam dapsa va:eek2:

Beleive me only you & me are appavi beleiving the news. I had been to Dhanuskodi sometime back to do some final rites and our Jeep guy has to pay to let us in. I had asked him and he narrted the whole story. I was just surprised to know that no real fishing is done at all and 95% of boats only do smuggling.

^^ :( Though i dont have anything against them.. They should be shifted from the coastline .. to save the beaches as they want

Though a lot of people talk about the fishing community, nowadays they are involved mostly in other activites other than fishing. In the case of Rameswaram the whole community of Northern Srilanka lives on the smuggled goods provided by the these people. Even simple items such as soap to fuel are smuggled from India and this is a roaring buisness.Everyone from Indian Navy to Srilankan navy are in their payrolls and when disputes arise these killing occur. The killings are inter gang wars on who smuggles most. It has nothing to do with the fishing business.

I fully agree with you. Ten years back when I was working from Madurai(covering Keelakarai, Ramnad and Rameshwaram) for a pharma company. A doctor in a small village use to buy medicines in bulk. Believe me even the big hospitals in Madurai will not buy that much. One of my friend told me that the doctor sells the medicines to SrilLanka for a decent profit via the fisherman folks. Our media is not revealing the truth and politics also plays a vital role here. After the Radia tapes now I have stopped beveling many news. Maybe India should have something like wikileak.

Though this piece of news may disturb some of our friends here, the same was told to me by a senior IB official from Delhi.

During the heydays of LTTE Rule in Jaffna, smuggling from the Ramnad district coast was a regular phenomena. Local fishermen were lured with lot of money to do smuggling the essentials like Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene, Medicines etc. Earlier, Indian and TN Govts turned blind eye to this since the Sri Lankan Govt was not supplying these essentials to Jaffna.

As the forumers explained, the off take of Kerosene in Rameswaram was the highest from the PDS. All the petrol bunks were doing roaring business. It went to the extent that yamaha bikes in TN were targeted and stolen since the engine was suitable for running boats.

Later, LTTE used the same fishermen to smuggle arms, ammunitions and drugs and since the money was big, some fishermen went along. Some, who refused were killed at mid sea.

Though the TN Govt was initially not believing this, the state police officials were also taken by the Coast Guard into confidence and the supply routes were blocked. Then they started smuggling from Thailand. At mid sea, transfer of goods will take place from big ships to small boats as the terrain near India Srilanka has lots of sandbars.

Indian Coast Guard was more bothered about the refugees being used as shields by the smugglers.

Post Rajiv's Assassination by LTTE, Indian Govt became very strict with the smuggling from TN coast.

All the coastal fishermen have local panchayats which deal with cases of foreign fishermen intruding into Indian waters, next state / district / village fishermen intruding into their territories etc. This practice is going on for centuries and even the Indian Govt and Srilankan Govt do not interfere in their judgements / decisions.

But post Rajiv's assissination, Indian Govt was monitoring and influencing as the safety of the country was at stake.

I do not want to raise any debate here for or against and I have just mentioned what was told to me. There are mistakes from all sides and the time has come to help the poor people of Tamil Origin who has been suffering for decades. I believe that India has a very big role to play for the economical development of Jaffna and by forcefully indulging in the same, those poor people can be uplifted from their present plight.

Though this piece of news may disturb some of our friends here, the same was told to me by a senior IB official from Delhi.

During the heydays of LTTE Rule in Jaffna, smuggling from the Ramnad district coast was a regular phenomena. Local fishermen were lured with lot of money to do smuggling the essentials like Petrol, Diesel, Kerosene, Medicines etc. Earlier, Indian and TN Govts turned blind eye to this since the Sri Lankan Govt was not supplying these essentials to Jaffna.

As the forumers explained, the off take of Kerosene in Rameswaram was the highest from the PDS. All the petrol bunks were doing roaring business. It went to the extent that yamaha bikes in TN were targeted and stolen since the engine was suitable for running boats.

Later, LTTE used the same fishermen to smuggle arms, ammunitions and drugs and since the money was big, some fishermen went along. Some, who refused were killed at mid sea.

Though the TN Govt was initially not believing this, the state police officials were also taken by the Coast Guard into confidence and the supply routes were blocked. Then they started smuggling from Thailand. At mid sea, transfer of goods will take place from big ships to small boats as the terrain near India Srilanka has lots of sandbars.

Indian Coast Guard was more bothered about the refugees being used as shields by the smugglers.

Post Rajiv's Assassination by LTTE, Indian Govt became very strict with the smuggling from TN coast.

All the coastal fishermen have local panchayats which deal with cases of foreign fishermen intruding into Indian waters, next state / district / village fishermen intruding into their territories etc. This practice is going on for centuries and even the Indian Govt and Srilankan Govt do not interfere in their judgements / decisions.

But post Rajiv's assissination, Indian Govt was monitoring and influencing as the safety of the country was at stake.

I do not want to raise any debate here for or against and I have just mentioned what was told to me. There are mistakes from all sides and the time has come to help the poor people of Tamil Origin who has been suffering for decades. I believe that India has a very big role to play for the economical development of Jaffna and by forcefully indulging in the same, those poor people can be uplifted from their present plight.

Yes India has a role to play but it will never do it. We already lost the train to China for the role of economic development in SL. One fine e.g is Hambantota port development(though its in south of SL). My tamil friend from SL said when he recently visited Jaffna, he can see some infrastucture projs being undertaken by chinese companies.. chinese are trying to make use of every chance they get. remember that a chinese presence at SL is a act of spying our southern part of country. they already gained significant foothold in Bangladesh, Nepal and Myanmar apart from their loving friend Pakistan. Cant digest the fact that these politicians are not aware and afraid of these facts. Not even as much as we do. Only god(those who believe) can save india.:ohno:

I was watching a news article on how English is being taught as a mandatory language in Chinese schools and how the next generation will not have the language barrier (which is a big differentiator for India).

any developments on port-maduravoyal expressway. any work is going on there???

I was watching a news article on how English is being taught as a mandatory language in Chinese schools and how the next generation will not have the language barrier (which is a big differentiator for India).

I am working with more chinese rather than Japanese, they say almost now everybody in big cities in china can write and read english, they cannot speak.

A very very big article

A U.S.-based company is planning a system of elevated highways in Chennai, India, that will wreak havoc on the environment and make 100,000 people homeless.

Olive ridley sea turtles are amazing creatures. Every year between December and March, hundreds of them swim home to lay their eggs on the beaches of the coastal metropolis of Chennai, aka Madras, in the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu. Enacting a ritual that pre-dates the dinosaurs, gravid turtles swim back to the same beaches where they were hatched, undeterred by the hostile changes these shores have undergone in modern times.

For nearly two decades, youngsters inspired by the city-based Student Sea Turtle Conservation Network, have patrolled a 7-mile stretch of city beach to ensure that nesting turtles are not disturbed. In the last 11 years, they have helped 30,000 hatchlings start their journey all the way to the Australian seas. More than a decade later, those same Ridleys, weighing in at 80 to 100 pounds, will return to the beaches where they were hatched.

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As a teenager, one of those young activists had vandalized the turtle nesting spots he now works to save. “Along with other fisher boys, I'd dig up the eggs,” says Saravanan Kasinathan, now 27. “The eggs are like hard rubber; we'd play cricket with them. Even a decade ago, the main threats to turtles were from dogs and boys like us.” But awareness in fishing villages has improved remarkably, and dogs, boys, and fisherfolk are no longer a threat to these gentle turtles.

In 2007, Saravanan learned about a new danger facing both the species and his fishing village, Urur Kuppam. Wilbur Smith Associates, a South Carolina-based transportation consultant, recommended a solution to the city's jammed roads: a 6-mile-long elevated expressway running through Chennai's four beaches and 14 fishing villages. According to its Web site, Wilbur Smith “has more than 1,000 associates in 56 offices in 8 countries. Since its founding in 1952, the firm has completed projects in all 50 U.S. states and 117 countries on six continents.”

Environmental damage is not the only grounds for challenging Wilbur Smith’s Chennai project. Virtually all key aspects of the three projects – environmental, social, and legal -- are under fire. Company studies, not just in Chennai, but across the country are also drawing criticism for conflicts of interest. Citizen groups allege that the company cooked feasibility studies, circumvented due process, committed data fraud, and made false claims regarding community consultation.

The Beach Expressway is only one of three major elevated freeways Wilbur Smith has proposed in Chennai. If the company’s plans materialize, the Adyar River Expressway, officially known as the High Speed Circular Transport Corridor; the Cooum River Expressway, aka Port-Maduravoyal Expressway; and the Beach Expressway will create more than 60 miles of expressways that will crisscross the coastal city and dismember Chennai's famed beaches and river fronts. In addition to interfering with the nesting turtles and hatchlings, the roads will transform the banks and the beds of the city's two rivers, the Adyar and the Cooum, aggravating the floods that ravage the city during the annual monsoons. Together, the projects will render homeless more than 100,000 people – the equivalent of Berkeley California's population, according to compiled data from various sources including a report in the reputed journal Economic and Political Weekly.

In a modern re-enactment of caste oppression, most of the evicted will be from communities that occupy the lowest rungs of India's still prevalent caste system. The government will provide a lucky few with alternate housing, but very far from the city where their jobs are. Others will be left to fend for themselves.

“Alternate housing in a distant location makes absolutely no sense to us,” says Sundara Moorthy, a resident of the Urur Kuppam fishing village. “As fisherfolk, we live and die by the sea.”

Manufacturing Participation

Besant Nagar beach, affectionately called Bessie, is named after Dr. Annie Besant, a 19th-century theosophist who advocated for India's freedom from colonial rule. Located in an upscale neighborhood, the beach attracts hordes of people hankering for open space, a breath of fresh air, or a game on the sands.

Between January and March, on days when the sea is flat as a sheet of paper, fishermen stretch out from the waterline to the end of the beach, hauling heavy shore seine nets laden with mackerel, prawns and anchovies.

Saravanan's fishing village, Urur Kuppam, lies north of Bessie, and stretches to the Adyar estuary, a haven for migratory birds. Carpeted by Ipomea, a ground-hugging creeper with beautiful violet flowers, this wild stretch of beach is used only by turtles and fisherfolk. It is here that the Student Sea Turtle Conservation Network sets up its makeshift turtle hatchery every December.

If heaven is a vast sandy beach bounded by a bountiful sea, hell is the same expanse with an expressway running through, the activists say. The Beach Expressway “will signal the demise of the fisherfolk, Chennai's first community. Perhaps that is what it is meant to do,” says a cynical Saravanan. More than once in the past, different governments have tried to evict the fisherfolk from the coast to free the valuable real estate for gentrification. “The road is the latest ploy to clear us out,” he says.

When the State Highways Department awarded Wilbur Smith $55,300 for a feasibility study, it required the company, as a “primary task,” to include: “Stakeholder consultation, with communities located along the road, NGOs working in the area, other stake-holders.”

Wilbur Smith reports that it held consultations, including meetings in five fishing villages in the presence the five respective leaders. It concluded that the project was feasible since fisherfolk agreed “to move from the coast if there is any unavoidable requirement.”

But in June 2010, all five fishing leaders named in the report wrote to the Tamil Nadu chief minister denying that Wilbur Smith had held any consultations in their villages. The Highways Department revealed that neither the department nor Wilbur Smith could document that consultations had taken place. Other stakeholders including beach users, NGOs, and the Theosophical Society — which occupies a densely wooded campus in the affected area — also say that Wilbur Smith failed to consult them.

“Wilbur Smith's feasibility report finds the alignment to be feasible only because it lies about the consultation. The sentiment of the fishing community is not one of welcome, but of intense opposition to the project,” said Urur Kuppam resident C. Kasinathan. As one of the fishing leaders named in the feasibility report, Kasinathan has filed a case in the Madras High Court arguing that the report should be set aside. The court has issued notices to the government and the company seeking responses.

Speaking for Wilbur Smith from its Chennai office, senior consultant V. Subramaniam dismisses these allegations. “Everybody has been informed. All have been consulted. In any case, this is just a feasibility study,” he says.

Data Disagreements

Wilbur Smith's failure to consult is not restricted to the Beach Expressway. The $440 million Cooum River Expressway also cites nonexistent consultations with locals, its critics charge. Adding further weight to their argument is their allegation that geotechnical data about the contour along the alignment was cooked up by the consultant.

The River Cooum is a stone's throw from the balcony on which N. Balasubramanian stands in the balmy December sunlight. “The expressway will run through my house. I have lived here for 45 years,” he says. As a veteran civil engineer and consultant, who worked for Wilbur Smith in the 1960s, Balasubramanian says he is no stranger to flaky consultancy reports. The Cooum Expressway “feasibility study is a fraud,” he says. “The consultant claims to have taken a borehole soil sample there,” he says, pointing about 50 feet away. “That is impossible to do without my knowledge.”

To a trained eye, he continues, it is obvious that not only was no sample taken, but that data have been cooked up. “A soil borehole sample taken near my house claims to have hit bedrock at 10 meters’ depth. Just 50 meters away, bedrock is reported to be at 21 meter deep. It is impossible have a fall of 11 meters within a 50 meter distance except in mountainous areas,” Balasubramanian clarifies.

Wilbur Smith's consultancy for the Cooum Expressway was born in controversy. In 2005, the government of Tamilnadu had already approved a feasibility report by L&T Ramboll for a freight corridor to and from the Chennai port. This study recommended a $170 million, 6-mile freeway that would have fulfilled the objectives of a dedicated freight corridor for container traffic from the port. That road would have avoided the banks of the Cooum River and been cheaper and less disruptive to residents. Inexplicably, this report was set aside. Wilbur Smith was brought in to redo the feasibility report. The new report more than doubled the cost and length of the freight corridor.

“The proposed route has 12 curves. An expressway should have minimum curves, but this road winds lazily along the river,” points out Balasubramanian. “A longer alignment, and an increased project cost translates into greater returns for the consultant,” he says. But the longer route had other “collateral value additions” as well. In its 2008 feasibility report, Wilbur Smith justifies the route: “Construction of such project road will result in the evacuation of slum areas along the riverbanks.”

“Wilbur Smith was brought in to deliver an orchestrated report,” says M.G. Devasahayam, a retired senior bureaucrat who currently heads a non-profit that works on sustainable urban spaces. “There was no need for a fresh feasibility report. L&T Ramboll is a reputed name.”

Don't break the law, change it

Even setting aside allegations of fraud and manufactured consultations, activists argue that all three of Wilbur Smith's projects in Chennai violate the Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) Notification, 1991. The law, which regulates development within 500 meters of the sea, was designed to protect the coastal environment. It prohibits many construction activities including road building in the sensitive intertidal zones which form part of all three projects. The Union Ministry of Environment and Forests has twice used this criteria to reject the Cooum Expressway.

Nonetheless, the reports for all three projects – the Cooum River, the Beach and the Adyar River expressways – conclude that the expressways are feasible, without mentioning that the CRZ rules prohibit them. Responding to a query by the Highways Department on the implications of the CRZ rules on the Beach Expressway project, the company pointed to a Government of India proposal to amend the original rules so that, “construction of roads on stilts [flyways] is a permissible activity.”

“Wilbur Smith's conclusion that the project is feasible relies not on data, but on a foreknowledge that the law will change to permit flyways. Such predictions fall in the realm of astrology, not feasibility reports,” stated a press release issued by Save Chennai Beaches Campaign, a beach-users group opposing the expressway.

“It is curious how a draft CRZ amendment proposes to exempt roads-on-stilts at a time when elevated expressways in Chennai are being held up because of the rules,” says Sharadha Shankar, an activist with Save Chennai Beaches Campaign. “It makes one wonder if the agencies behind the expressway aren't the same ones that lobbied to have roads-on-stilts exempted in the draft rules.”

This is not the only instance where Wilbur Smith has been accused of inappropriate influence. In the lead-up to the 2010 South Carolina gubernatorial election, Indian-American candidate and now governor Nikki Haley was hauled up by opponents for failing to disclose a $42,500 payment from Wilbur Smith, allegedly for lobbying. Both the consultant and Haley denied the charge of lobbying, and described her role merely as intelligence gathering.

Haley is not the only Indian-American connection with Wilbur Smith. The consultant has proposed numerous expressways, most of them controversial, in North America. Both in America, and in India, the popular verdict seems to be that the road to hell can be a freeway.

http://www.alternet.org/world/149624/u.s._company_plans_to_build_freeways_in_india_despite_charges_of_conflicts_of_interest_and_falsified_reports_?page=entire

^^ that the road to hell can be a freeway. :lol:

if we look from one individual project perspective, its just port-maduravayal, or beach expressway. and we feel bad abt the protesting ppl. but, imagine, the complete proposed HSCC corridor. all river bank will be full of expressways. reminds me the state of buckingham canal after MRTS. even if we wish to clean, not much it could serve its purpose.

A very very big article


Seems the original alignment along PH road is the best way out. Urban transport is turning into a nightmare in Chennai and being an ecological hotspot is making matters worse.

^^ now even if they revert it to PH road corridor, its not feasible cuz of the metro alignment. The project has either to take off along cooum or die. No alternative route is possible i suppose!

^^ can't they go for 2 tiers? the way its planned for vadapalani signal, can't they do metro on tier 2 (instead of UG) and road on tier 1. i cant understand why they had to go for UG in the same PH road, while they had a plan/ space for expressway itself?

^^ well the metro alignments are fixed and are possibly to stay here.. so no use of thinking that it will come up in overground

Is the elevated expressways about to be built on the beaches? Why do they say it will damage olive ridley turtles habitat?

^^ Think you are confused. The article talks about three elevated corridors. One along the coastline, one is the port connectivity and another is HSCTC corridor. The elevated corridor which will run along coastline from Light House to ECR in thiruvanmiyur is generally called as elevated expressway or beach expressway.

The olive ridleys lay eggs in coast line along adyar, besant nagar areas, the construction of this expressway will be dangerous to these turtles(as they come under 'Vulnerable' category of 'Threatened Species' classification) and it also violates CRZ rules which prohibits any development within 500 m of coastline..

Yeah I understand that. But why should beach expressway damage the turtle's habitat? Does it run so close to the beach?

I dont think they finalised the alignment. But see these pics from newspapers. AFAI understand, it literally runs on the shoreline or on the road close to shoreline.

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But I do not understand how it will damage their nesting process. I guess that the turtles' egg laying area might be destroyed due to construction activity and the noise pollution due to traffic will reduce the possibility of turtles coming to shore and laying eggs..

Yeah I understand that. But why should beach expressway damage the turtle's habitat? Does it run so close to the beach?

Turtles can lay eggs in undistrubed sandy beaches and they choose to do it in the same beach they are born. If they sense too much activity, they wont even make an attempt to come. I have personally done turtle walks and also been on remote islands where turtles lay eggs. I have myself witnessed how a single person's presence on a remote island can turn off turtles wanting to lay eggs.

Bright lights are a big turn off for them (Please the so called pro-dev folks dont jump in and say shld we turn off the lights for the turtle to come and lay eggs..) I am only responding to TShyam's specific Q.

Now the new scenario. The elevated expressway is going to be laid on the beach. I am really wondering why there is no consultant besides Wilbur Smith. Are they wholesale contracted for all Chennai projects ?

Imagine if you are a turtle and you know only one place to lay eggs for generations. Suddenly there is few miles of heavy traffic expressway.

PS: I am definitely for easing of traffic on congested Chennai, but for heaven's sake we do not have to blindly digest whatever Wilbur Smith garbage truck dumps on our side.

Seriously its time to bring some other consultant who can giving innovative sustainable ideas.

Turtles can lay eggs in undistrubed sandy beaches and they choose to do it in the same beach they are born. If they sense too much activity, they wont even make an attempt to come. I have personally done turtle walks and also been on remote islands where turtles lay eggs. I have myself witnessed how a single person's presence on a remote island can turn off turtles wanting to lay eggs.
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Seriously its time to bring some other consultant who can giving innovative sustainable ideas.

The Turtle issue is only one of the most significant issues here. The fragile eco system of Adyar Estuary, the unique topography of Adyar Rivermouth (The slope is from the east to west -Sea side towards inland upto Kotturpuram Bridge), the sand deposits, Future Flooding of inner lands, the past experience of MRTS along B Canal, Cooum Maintenance, Spoiling the aesthetic Beach from Lighthouse to Thiruvanmiyur, How the elevated portion ends at ECR, Lack of Traffic Planning at both ends, Affecting Fishermen's Habitations along the coast, Violating CRZ rules, Throwing / Dumping of construction Debris along the beach and Adyar Rivermouth, Refusal to look at or consider cheaper, more viable and eco sensitive alternative proposals

I would request Shyam to read all old posts on this issue so that we need not repeat once again.

The Turtle issue is only one of the most significant issues here. The fragile eco system of Adyar Estuary, the unique topography of Adyar Rivermouth (The slope is from the east to west -Sea side towards inland upto Kotturpuram Bridge), the sand deposits, Future Flooding of inner lands, the past experience of MRTS along B Canal, Cooum Maintenance, Spoiling the aesthetic Beach from Lighthouse to Thiruvanmiyur, How the elevated portion ends at ECR, Lack of Traffic Planning at both ends, Affecting Fishermen's Habitations along the coast, Violating CRZ rules, Throwing / Dumping of construction Debris along the beach and Adyar Rivermouth, Refusal to look at or consider cheaper, more viable and eco sensitive alternative proposals

I would request Shyam to read all old posts on this issue so that we need not repeat once again.

Yes yes I am aware of those things. My doubt was specifically about the alignment and how it will damage the turtle's habitat. satchitananda's post cleared my doubts. Thanks.

Yes yes I am aware of those things. My doubt was specifically about the alignment and how it will damage the turtle's habitat. satchitananda's post cleared my doubts. Thanks.

It is easier for those Pro Corridor guys to harp on this Turtle issue since they do not have answers for other equally important points.

There are viable alternatives at a lesser cost than this to solve city's traffic problem along this stretch.

A very very big article

http://www.alternet.org/world/149624/u.s._company_plans_to_build_freeways_in_india_despite_charges_of_conflicts_of_interest_and_falsified_reports_?page=entire

a great eye opener article for all those fools and mads who believe that expressways would create a so called 'new CHENNAI'..

even in this forum, many people (of course including me) were against this project right from the start...
they were sidelined by the so called 'pro-Indian infrastructure developers'..

can someone (who supported the projects) dare to reply to this article ????:bash:

a big thanks to wlbkng for this article..

Folks, Having gone through the 'behind-the-screen' outcome of each project - be it bridge, highways, apartments, etc - there certainly are personal benefits to the rulers of this state. Only question is which one of the child get the lion' share out of this project.

Folks, Having gone through the 'behind-the-screen' outcome of each project - be it bridge, highways, apartments, etc - there certainly are personal benefits to the rulers of this state. Only question is which one of the child get the lion' share out of this project.

well said..
more people are getting used to the reality now..

primary reasons for ppl to oppose the so called 'development projects' :

1. no public consultation with the stakeholders involved.
2. providing fake feasibility reports and fake DPRs.
3. blatant violation of the CRZ rules.
3. evacuating slum dwellers 30km away from city with no facilities for rehabilitation.
4. making atleast 1000s of families(who are having valid land documents) homeless, by acquiring massive areas of land.
5. initially acquiring private lands for expressways and then converting them into parks, hotels and malls.
6. the amount of money earnt by politicians (as black money) by commissioning a "Development Project".
7. Finally, lacs of stupid ppl in India, still believing that we are developing.:ohno:

7. Finally, lacs of stupid ppl in India, still believing that we are developing.:ohno:

This is unnecessary. It is an insult to India and Indians. Are you saying the country is not developing?

Deputy Chief Minister M.K. Stalin has handed over allotment orders of plots to 324 persons engaged in auto works along the bank of the Cooum, as part of the resettlement programme to families affected by the Chennai Port - Maduravoyal Elevated Corridor.

The Tamil Nadu Slum Clearance Board (TNSCB) is developing Auto Nagar in Apur and Perumalthangal villages near Singaperumal Koil at a cost of Rs.11.39 crore. The State has identified 458 families, stated an official release.

Based on a request from families, the government decided to allot 300 sq.ft. developed plots free of cost to each of 324 beneficiaries.

src: http://www.hindu.com/2011/01/25/stories/2011012555550400.htm

This is unnecessary. It is an insult to India and Indians. Are you saying the country is not developing?


dear friend,

Asuming that you are accepting the other points, how can you say that we are developing ??

aren't we are going backwards (going back to the era when there were no rules) by not following any standard procedures or rules ??

developed countries lay down rules and strictly follow them at any cost...
they impose severe penalties for violating the rules...
in India, rules are well framed in paper, but who follows them ????

truth may be bitter or even harsh, ultimately thats the reality.

Oh I see. So one case of flouting rules means the country is not developing right? What a bizarre definition. What about increasing literacy levels? what about increasing life expectancy? what about lesser children dying of malnutrition? What about the rising economy? What about millions of people being pulled out of extreme poverty? Finally, what is your definition of development?

And it is not that there is no flouting of rules in developed countries by the rich and powerful. It is actually legalized there. Heard of paid lobbying?

People come up with outrageous comments and when confronted, resort to rhetoric like truth is bitter, truth is harsh, truth hurts, truth sucks and all sort of crap. Get real. This is not utopia. Bottom line is humans are greedy and it is not country specific.

^^ TShyam I understand your outburst on this issue, but I guess rg49274 meant his point in a different way. I guess he is making a point that we are literally getting raped in the name of development. There is nothing proud to say we're developing unless the common is actually benefited out of it. All your questions are inevitable things that will continue to happen in a progressing economy, but the real development isn't about boasting high literacy levels or eradicating malnutrition or poverty. It is about how fast it reaches the common man and is it directly proportional to the rate of growth of our economy. We're 100% not developing as we should be if the govt still continues to give freebies in the name of helping the poor. Obama said India has arrived...am sorry I completely disagree with that...we are nowhere close to developed economy status. Even China isn't a developed economy still.

dear friend,

Asuming that you are accepting the other points, how can you say that we are developing ??

aren't we are going backwards (going back to the era when there were no rules) by not following any standard procedures or rules ??

developed countries lay down rules and strictly follow them at any cost...
they impose severe penalties for violating the rules...
in India, rules are well framed in paper, but who follows them ????

truth may be bitter or even harsh, ultimately thats the reality.

My young friend,

I can understand your frustration and I have been through all these during my evolution in the last 25 years.

I can say clearly that the Development in Gandhian way does not happen anywhere. I have worked with many MNCs in infra field. Each country has its own issues.

As we see it, even the mighty & powerful sometimes get punished in USA and it may not happen in India or other countries. The upper class benefit more than the lower class in India.

This does not mean that there is no development in India. WE ARE MUCH BETTER OFF TODAY THAN BEFORE.

Have you attempted to work for a public cause? Please try to do and you will understand where exactly the problem lies.

There are also good people in Govt and there are bad people among us - the common people.

The problem lies with us - the people of India. Due to the propaganda by media, we are constantly fed a skewed up scenerio and it serves only their purpose. They manipulate us and our thinkings.

If you really want to learn the true status, do not mind wetting your shoes. Jump. Try something for your neighbourhood first. Then expand the same to other domains.

All your questions are inevitable things that will continue to happen in a progressing economy, but the real development isn't about boasting high literacy levels or eradicating malnutrition or poverty. It is about how fast it reaches the common man and is it directly proportional to the rate of growth of our economy.

I am now beginning to wonder what is development to common man? If high literacy and eradicating malnutrition and poverty is not helping the common man, then what does? That is why I asked what is the definition of development. In my book, the progression of society from one in which vast majority didnt know where their next meal is coming from to one in which everyone is educated and dont have to worry about their basic necessities is definitely development.

If you think rich and powerful are exerting their influence, flout rules only in India and developed countries are some sort of utopia, you are in for some rude awakening. Its human nature, not Indian nature.

Obama might have said to make some personal gains but there is no doubt about the content.

rg49274 is given a forum and given the liberty to call anyone he wants as "fools" in full public view only because he is in India. No other country did that (yes, even the present "developed countries" you rever so much) while they were like us. If he was in a dictatorship, his house would have been razed by now and thrown out of the city in the name of development. No one would have cared about his opinion.

TShyam..(No intention of offending you) I completely agree to your point that India isn't the only country where the rich exhibit their influence, but whats happening here is hooliganism and the result is pandemonium. My heart bleeds to know that my beautiful country is clubbed with African and not so developing Asian countries in the list of most corrupt countries in the World. Everything in this country is manipulated to suit the requirements of the powerful. I understand if you become rich as a businessman or a CEO of a company, but how can a politician become rich once he comes to power? Are we not ransacked completely by the use of power?

I am not a politician or social worker, but I have seen real people affected due to this so called development. We say so many companies are investing in Chennai, but do we get to hear how the govt acquires those lands, how they threaten the land owners and how much compensation they get paid or if they actually get it paid on time? Not all are lucky to actually get what they are promised. Even to get that compensation they will have to bribe the area corporation officials. If you go to a Registrar office or Tahsildhar office and come out without spending anything more than the required fees, I will accept India is developing.

Apart from eradicating malnutrition or illiteracy, I can proudly say my country is developing only if corruption is eradicated or at least kept under control and if the real development reaches the needy and not the greedy!

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These pictures were taken last week in the maduravoyal nh4 stretch , some kind of digging activity was going on for Elevated expressway ..

Ezhilan.

Cool bro. My outburst was because of his approach. If he wants to criticize, criticize the argument, not the person. Call the argument foolish, dont call the person foolish. Thats where he should have drawn the line. Cheers.

Ezhilan.

Cool bro. My outburst was because of his approach. If he wants to criticize, criticize the argument, not the person. Call the argument foolish, dont call the person foolish. Thats where he should have drawn the line. Cheers.

:okay:

Ezhilan.

Cool bro. My outburst was because of his approach. If he wants to criticize, criticize the argument, not the person. Call the argument foolish, dont call the person foolish. Thats where he should have drawn the line. Cheers.

If you know the concept of 'Inclusive Growth', please read about it and then talk about development.

Know some statistics and then talk.
I agree that few thigns are developing but consider the below points.


1. Litreacy %
2. No of people below poverty line.
3. Standard of govt/private education.
4. Increasing reservations made by state govts every year
5. number of freebies during every election
6. amount of black money deposited in foreign bank
7. ever rising population
8. massive scale of scams developing every month


why are all these happening when india is developing ?????
can you answer my question ????

I completely agree with Ezhilan.
Can you walk out of any Govt office without flouting any rules ???

Hope you had applied for driving license. Dont tel me you dint bribe. The fees you pay for the driving school is including the bribe he pays.

The charges for violating 'no parking' is Rs.50 but he collects 150. Why is the extra 100rs being collected ?

Tel me one Govt hospital where you get the treatments free. even the poor are bribing to know the sex of the baby to be delivered.

There are lots of good people(no doubt), but in the absence of that good person, there are lots waiting to bribe in his name.

When nothing is happening but few people believe that something is happening, they are 'ignorant'.

When nothing is happening but may people believe that something is happening, they are cetainly called 'FOOLS' in any part of the world.

An individua person may be brilliant, but if he belongs to a foolish society he tends to behave like fools.

No wonder people are settling abroad in 'actually developed' countries.
Its not just about the money. The system and administartion is much cleaner, advanced, scientific and superior.

Oh I see. So one case of flouting rules means the country is not developing right? What a bizarre definition. What about increasing literacy levels? what about increasing life expectancy? what about lesser children dying of malnutrition? What about the rising economy? What about millions of people being pulled out of extreme poverty? Finally, what is your definition of development?

And it is not that there is no flouting of rules in developed countries by the rich and powerful. It is actually legalized there. Heard of paid lobbying?

People come up with outrageous comments and when confronted, resort to rhetoric like truth is bitter, truth is harsh, truth hurts, truth sucks and all sort of crap. Get real. This is not utopia. Bottom line is humans are greedy and it is not country specific.

the amount of indian black money in foreign banks is estimated at 1 trillion dollars.

this is not because of 1 man bribing such huge amounts.


What about millions of people being pulled out of extreme poverty?


good joke. where is it happening ??? tel me ???

this is not a one off scenario. it is just one of the examples.
you are in a dream world i guess.
wake up man. read every day newspaper and know the reality.

:okay:

you misunderstood. i never attacked any individual person.

even i will become a fool, if i believe that india is actually developing.

I am now beginning to wonder what is development to common man?

please read about the concept of 'Inclusive Growth'.
know the concepts and reality and stop wondering.



If he was in a dictatorship, his house would have been razed by now and thrown out of the city in the name of development. No one would have cared about his opinion.

i dont mind being thrown away from the city...

as long as
* i know the reality
* i am leading my life the right way
god will certainly help me.


No one would have cared about his opinion.
no one needs to..

you can cheat the common public but not those who know the real facts and the current state of affairs.

rg49274 is given a forum and given the liberty to call anyone he wants as "fools" in full public view only because he is in India. No other country did that (yes, even the present "developed countries" you rever so much) while they were like us.

if 'giving a forum to the public is development', how is it improving the lives of millions in our country who are yet to take up primary education ??? :nuts:

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These pictures were taken last week in the maduravoyal nh4 stretch , some kind of digging activity was going on for Elevated expressway ..

the stretch that you mentioned needs no approval from MOEF. Soil testing is going on in these places.
the key part of the project is the huge stretch along the cooum which requires clearances from MOEF.

lets see what happens.

good joke. where is it happening ??? tel me ???

this is not a one off scenario. it is just one of the examples.
you are in a dream world i guess.
wake up man. read every day newspaper and know the reality.

Where is it happening? lol now you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. People will make out who is talking sense and who is talking nonsense, who is "cheating the common public and "who know the real facts and the current state of affairs", who is genuine and who has created an account to comment in just one thread to push his personal agenda. I am not going to waste time on you. Enjoy your trolling.


btw you didnt attack any individual person? Do you remember how it all started? Here are your own words sir, from 3 days back.
a great eye opener article for all those fools and mads who believe that expressways would create a so called 'new CHENNAI'..

Now eat it.

Update

Right now there is an excavator working in the cooum bank near the ethiraj college bridge. They are clearing the trees along the east bank of cooum opp Rani meyyamai hall and behind rajarathanam stadium. They are forming an temporary raod with construction debris. They have even erected an temporary worker shelter in the north end of the bridge.

If MOEF clearence is not received how are doing this.

@ rg: Dude, take it to the discussion thread please..

Update

Right now there is an excavator working in the cooum bank near the ethiraj college bridge. They are clearing the trees along the east bank of cooum opp Rani meyyamai hall and behind rajarathanam stadium. They are forming an temporary raod with construction debris. They have even erected an temporary worker shelter in the north end of the bridge.

If MOEF clearence is not received how are doing this.

Yeah even i saw equipments being assembled on the Cooum banks behind Pachiappa's college. Maybe they know they will get the clearance and are just waiting for the official announcement.

Creating jobs for inclusive growth

By blending unemployment insurance/benefits with legislative reforms that ensure labour market flexibility in manufacturing,India can realistically lift millions out of poverty,says Ajay Shankar

INDIAS economic performance over the last decade has been phenomenal and has surprised the world.Inching back to 9% GDP growth rate after experiencing only a slowdown rather than a recession in the worst global economic crisis in decades,being recognised as an emerging player in the new knowledge economy,home to ambitious firms beginning to transform themselves into successful MNCs,there is even talk of India becoming an economic superpower.
But then comes the reality check.We have more absolutely poor people than the 20 poorest countries of Africa.We have more people without access to clean toilets than with access to mobile phones.We have more people without electricity than the whole of Africa.Malnutrition and hunger are harsh realities warranting the quest for food security measures.There is the uneasy apprehension that growth may not yet be inclusive enough.
In this context,it is necessary to have the conceptual clarity that anti-poverty welfare measures such as MGNREGA and food security do not in themselves take people into the trajectory out of poverty.They do not directly generate the economic activity that would push millions out of poverty.They only mitigate the condition of being poor and make it a bit more bearable.This recognition need not dilute the moral imperative for such programmes.The analytical challenge is one of understanding the nature of market,policy and regulatory failures or distortions that are coming in the way of genuinely inclusive growth and the faster movement of the millions out of poverty.
That there is a real problem is apparent to most students of the history of economic development.The normal pattern has been one of benefitting from globalisation through the advantage of cheaper labour by producing relatively simpler labour-intensive products for the global market;creating a competitive business ecosystem of entrepreneurs,managers and workers;and then gradually moving up the value chain.India presents the unusual picture of appearing to skip the first phase of being globally competitive in simpler labour-intensive production.In Asia,Japan was the first country to successfully industrialise and as it moved up the value chain to the level of the US and western Europe at the end of the 1950s and during the 1960s and 1970s,labour-intensive manufacturing for global markets moved to the East Asian tiger economies of Taiwan,South Korea,Hong Kong and Singapore.India,then being at a similar stage of development,was completely bypassed.
In the next phase,China opened up its economy and over the last 30 years has become the factory of the world and has practically eliminated poverty as we in India understand it.India was then at a similar stage of development and was again completely bypassed.The other Asean countries also experienced the benefits of labour-intensive manufacturing.Now that China has prospered and its wage costs are beginning to rise,the global supply chains for labour-intensive products such as garments,leather,toys,etc,are looking at new cheaper locations.A recent New York Times story reports that Vietnam,Cambodia and Bangladesh are emerging as the choices for relocation from China for the global garment supply chains.India was not even mentioned.It may,alas,be again being bypassed.
THIS,surely,should be a wakeup call.Where will the poor of India go,where and when will they get jobs that take them out of poverty The Maoist problem illustrates the huge costs of the failure of inclusive growth.The question that we need to ask ourselves is why,after almost two decades of economic reforms and liberalisation,India is still not perceived by investors,domestic as well as foreign,as being attractive enough for labour-intensive manufacturing.The answer,if we are to be candid,lies in the prevailing perceptions regarding the politico-economic realities on the ground.The onerous burden of the regulatory requirements of labour welfare legislation with the associated rentseeking behaviour of the multiple faces of the inspector raj is difficult enough.When this is combined with the perception of risk of labour unrest increasing proportionately with the size of the labour force,then risk-averse capital prefers capital-intensive outlets like real estate,IT,BPO,entertainment,etc.to labour-intensive manufacturing.
There is consensus about the need for inclusive growth across the political spectrum.Yet,the champions of inclusive growth need to recognise the necessity of the environment appearing attractive enough to globally mobile capital for labour-intensive manufacturing.This means having the political motivation to seek pragmatic options of simplifying and rationalising the regulatory burden for labor welfare without diluting the real objectives of existing legislation.This is doable.Many provisions in our labour laws go back to the early period of industrialisation and have become dated with technological progress.The merger of different reporting and inspection requirements would be of great help.Certification through credible accredited third parties is an option that offers immense potential.It has begun to deliver significant results in other segments of regulation.
The real need,however,is to bring in labour market flexibility as the potential for labour-intensive manufacturing lies in being able to serve the global markets.Entry into global markets for mass produced labour-intensive products is tough.For new entrants,business is volatile with the order book position going through huge ups and downs.The absence of labour market flexibility makes investment for this purpose go elsewhere.With the almost complete opening up of the Indian market through trade liberalisation,the domestic market for labour-intensive manufactures is actually being taken over by Chinese imports and resulting in job losses.
Introducing labour market flexibility in identified segments,combined with unemployment insurance/benefits,is probably the only way to generate the political consensus that is required.To the extent manufacturing jobs are created,the claims on MGNREGA would come down.There is no other option if the promise of inclusive growth is to be fulfilled.


(The author is former secretary,
government of India)

I have seen lots of sign boards of SOMA along the ponnamalle road form the end of my first year and now my 3rd yr als gng to finish still der is no much progress on those strech...........
when ever i used to travel this route the employees over der just cleaning the sign boards and removing the posters on them and then they painting.
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good joke. where is it happening ??? tel me ???

this is not a one off scenario. it is just one of the examples.
you are in a dream world i guess.
wake up man. read every day newspaper and know the reality.

just go to the different automotive factories in chennai and ask the labour that if the factory would have not been there then what they would have done?

go to the bangalore and ask the different IT people what would have they done if not employed in IT industry? they would have become frustated and ultimately would have committed suicide(after studying so much remain unemployed)

go to balasore(orissa-my servant is from there) and ask them if the govt. would have not given them free spices seeds 6 yrs ago and would have not taught them to grow spices then would have they done today?today they all have a TV and a two wheeler in their village with population 2000...but 8 yrs ago even they didn't have electricity..

there are thousand of such example but IF YOU OPEN YOUR EYES

AND BELIEVE ME INDIA LIVES IN VILLAGES AND NOT IN CITIES...

BTW i forgot to tell you that who had nothing to do now gets Rs 120 per day due to MNREGA.. confirmed by my servants(in orissa,bihar and UP)

:cheers:

@rg have you ever watched DDnews? don't tell it is the third class and you only watch the sold out "media"...

pls watch it they will show that how POVERTY RIDDEN PEOPLE are being pulled out vby govt. schemes like textile sector sops,drip irrigation,handicraft industry etc..

have you ever thought that what Omar has done for kashmir? you would have only heard about the HUGE unemployment but none of our so called true "media" working for taxpayer's good never showed this:-

On the right track

The world is changing. What used to take months and years is disposed off today with a click on the computer. More than anything else this epoch of technological advancement holds the potential for transforming governance and government throughout the world. And yet when I observe the political class of the country in general and the state in particular, how many know even how to operate a mobile phone, leave computer aside. Not many.
In all this, what to make of a politician who not only keeps abreast with the latest technology, but also drives the same into office? Who wants to e-govern, and who wants to revolutionize the way people participate in their own governance? Am I visualising here, or am I talking of some place like America or Western Europe. Think again. I am talking of Kashmir.
When Omer Abdullah came to power how many Kashmiris had access to internet? An elite few, maybe. How many have access now is just evident through the sheer number of Kashmiris on Facebook. Then there is this question again, how many politicians in Kashmir would understand what Facebook is? All these questions seem to be leading me in the same direction.
A Member of Parliament at 28, India's youngest Minister of State at 29, the President of his party at 34 and the youngest Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir at 38, and yet Omer Abdullah is just at the starting point of his political career. In comparison his father became president of his party at an age of 44 years.
Now to many his age may seem his weak point. They argue that Kashmir is a place where politics is unpredictable, so it takes many unpredictable political upheavals to give a semblance of understanding to the political class. But that is what keeps politics at a basal plane in this region, where ruling and governance becomes just a part of petty politics and politicising. This is what Kashmir has witnessed until now. Now, finally in Omer Abdullah we have a hope in the right direction. He is even on record in saying that he wants a cordial working relationship with Mehbooba Mufti-his political adversary, because the state of Jammu and Kashmir is far too important for politics to be driven by hate.
Even in the two agitational summers, he proved even to his staunchest enemies that he had the mettle not only to last the political upheavals they blatantly and without any consideration for the common people stir and try to reap. Omer Abdullah survived, and in a short span of time, the agitation seems to be a thing of the past. Even during the summer unrest of the previous year, the CM made it a point to listen to as many people as possible through public durbars, and sessions with the people.
His hair may have started turning grey, but he is still the most exuberant of the politicians out there-the future crop. Young people throughout the country in general and the state in particular look up to him, as a change which is leading to betterment of their lives and taking them to better standards of life.
The students in schools, colleges and universities find it difficult to identify with anyone else on the mainstream political scene than him. The reasons for this are not just his comparative younger age, or his ease with technology, but his understanding of the challenges and problems which will be faced in the near future.
The biggest problem of this is unemployment, in a state which has seen the tremendous work done by Omar in wooing the private sector companies go down the drain. The MNCs did not just find the environment feasible to investment, or operation. So most of the ambit of providing employment and livelihood avenues falls on the state.
In this direction the advertising of hundreds of government posts in various departments is a positive development. More important still are the policies of the government to provide stimulus to entrepreneurship. SKEWPY and the work done by EDI is an indication in this regard. Just for the first beneficiary batch, around 85 entrepreneurs where provided a seed capital of 2.30 crores.
What Omar Abdullah said there was more reassuring to the youth of the state. He said, “I am waiting for the day when people will have least interest for a government job. Let our youth move out and explore opportunities in private sector. I will be always there to help them if they return with empty hands.”
Under the policy, Candidates having 10+2 to graduate level qualification can avail free money to the tune of three lakh rupees, post graduates can get 5 lakh rupees, technically qualified (doctors, engineers, MBAs etc) can get Rs 7.50 lakh and in projects requiring costly technologies around 10 lakh rupees would be given for entrepreneurship.
For this year, the state government has sanctioned an amount of 50 crores at the disposal of JKEDI to train and sanction seed capital to future entrepreneurs. Around 780 people have already been trained by the JKEDI in this regard, capital to whom will be soon disbursed.
The policy does not stop here. It not only re-organizes employment exchanges into counseling and employment centres, but also offers stipend to the educated unemployed for three years- Rs 600 for matriculate and Rs 1200 for post graduates. This would be Rs 50 extra in case of females.
The greatest natural resource that Kashmir possesses is water. But serious impediments have been placed in the way of our utilizing of this resource for the development of the state due to factors the state has no control on. In this regard, one of the most important policy development has been the Water Resource Bill, passed by the Assembly on October 9th. This is in fact a landmark Bill, for it directly benefits the state for its natural wealth. Now water entering the power stations which supply electricity to mainland will be taxed. NHPC earns to the tune of 7140 crores of rupees from its operations in Jammu & Kashmir, without much benefit to Kashmir. Now, through this bill the state is guaranteed an income of at least 850 crores, at the rate of just 25 paisa per cubic metre of water entering the power stations. This will greatly add to the state revenue. Most importantly, Jammu and Kashmir is the first state where a bill of this sort and nature has been passed. With Omar Abdullah at helm, many more initiates of this sort are bound to follow.
Our state is a state which in addition to having problems which it shares with other states, has a unique set of problems. One of these is the problem of the people who crossed over the LOC, and have until now had no hope of return. The number of such people is put anything between 1500 to 2000. This is not just a problem of these 2000 people, but a bigger problem of 2000 families; of mothers waiting to see their sons for the last time, of children who have never seen their father. Now Omar Abdullah’s Surrender And Rehabilitation Policy where-in those Kashmiris across the LOC who wish to return would be given a chance to return, has given all these people new hope. Already 55 applications have been filed by relatives and parents of those in PoK, to facilitate the return of the youths to the state.
Healing wounds, and giving people a chance at a life. Facilitating a future of development and joy. Though a lot of work is yet to be done, but Omar is on the right track.

WHY? ask this question yourself!! every media is sold out!!! one or other party has stake in some media channel or the other.. we know DMK has its channel,jagan reddy has its channel,sun TV etc.. but who knows that there may be a stake in TIMES NOW or AAJTAK secretly by congress or BJP
or Sharad Pawar had stake in TOI? so believe what you see and india lives in villages if you want to see india shining then visit the village and ask that how much has changed in last 6-8yrs and no media will tell you about the village scene.. you know why? think!! you will get the answer

just go to the different automotive factories in chennai and ask the labour that if the factory would have not been there then what they would have done?

go to the bangalore and ask the different IT people what would have they done if not employed in IT industry? they would have become frustated and ultimately would have committed suicide(after studying so much remain unemployed)

go to balasore(orissa-my servant is from there) and ask them if the govt. would have not given them free spices seeds 6 yrs ago and would have not taught them to grow spices then would have they done today?today they all have a TV and a two wheeler in their village with population 2000...but 8 yrs ago even they didn't have electricity..

:cheers:


Go to Coonoor / Ooty, ask the tea plantation workers how their life were 10-12 years back compared to now. Also ask them how many friends and families were forced to quit the jobs they loved along with their native place. Also ask them where majority of the folks now are and what kind of "value" jobs are they doing compared to their early ones.

Go to Andhra, ask the families of the farmers that committed suicide about how their lifestyle is compared to when their kith-and-kin were alive and how prosperous they are in the current economic / infrastructure boom.

Heck, take a local rickshaw or town bus in Chennai, go to those families that were displaced in the name of development, ask what kind of alternative the government provided for them, how far they have to travel from their relocated area for their day-to-day jobs, ask them whether they were able to admit their kids in the government schools, if yes how far their kids have to travel now, how much of their income they have to spend on transportation to get to school and work today etc.,

Go to southern districts of Tamilnadu, ask the people there about the impact of natural resources and its direct impacts on their life owing to "Manal kollai" which also feeds your so-called 'concrete' developments in rest of the country.

Go to Tirupur and CBE area, ask the mill / textile / yarn employees about how their standard of living earlier was, and what kind of jobs those folks, families and friends do now to run their family. Also don't forget to ask folks at Tirupur, despite earning crores in foreign exchange why no government cared to even give them drinking water facilties which is even more important than a $5 increase in their jobs


Now you can argue that we are transitioning from old to new economy.

1) How much of high-value jobs is your new service sector economy adding compared to our workforce? And how many villages and small towns are they really benefiting?

2) How many have to compromise and un-wantedly take up a low-level job in the new "blooming" economy?

3) Why are you not spreading the new "booming" economy and infrastructure to all towns and villages and are just keeping it within the reach of elitist cities?

4) For whatever reason you did #3, did you end up making those "elitist" cities really "elite" despite such huge focus? You still can only show us crippled / skewed elites as a result:)

5) When you talk of people getting high pays, our family maid says that she used to earn Rs.2000 in 2000 and was able to save about Rs.300 of her money (excluding her husband's). Now she has to work at 50% more homes, earns Rs.8000 but still couldn't save. So in reality is it really an improvement for people below middle class?

6) Why do we still have 300 million poor with your 9% annual perceived growth?

7) Let's take public sector services. Can I get a voter card / ration card / license / a caste-certificate / a birth certificate today without spending my time and money? Can I register my land or home easily today compared to 10 years back? Can I get all those public services by just paying the direct fee without having to go thru a middleman or use influence?

So what is it that really are you calling as a development? Sure IT and Services sector got benefited. This benefit is only at the expense of old-economy which you shouldn't forget. The job it added is simply quite not enough for all people to see the difference.

Certain developments you and others here indicated are natural progression and not development. More later :)

^^ (Contd..........) Had to leave urgently for work by completing just half the post that I intended to. Continuing from where I left, from point # 8..

8) Did the new economy provide all cities and towns with access to clean and safe drinking water?

9) Did the statistical economic development bring our country proper well-seperated sewage and drainage system across the nation with one going underground for recycling and other joining to form small lakes / ponds? Forget about all cities. The cities that you are proud of and wanted to showcase to the entire world, how are they doing on this front despite all your selected focusing there for decades?

10) Have we improved the judiciary system for the common man? Do you have any stats to show that the law-enforcement improved their quality of service to the public? How long does it take for police to nab petty criminals on an average today with 9% economic growth and far-superior technology available to them a decade ago? Is there a stat that you could share to show that the judiciary and law-enforcement together speeded up justice for common man. Please enlighten people like me with any development on this front.

11) Elections -> held earlier on ballot boxes and you got EVM's now. Great!! Fine and dandy. Have we reduced election related violence, deaths, abuse of power, booth-capturing etc.? Oh yeah people get paid / bribed to vote now and you may argue that that's a development to common man from his financial perspective

12) Have we built 1 good / modern library for say every 1000 population? Heck do we even have one ultra-modern library for ever 1 lac to begin with?

With all said, when I traveled from home to work 12 years back I used to see road-side mom-and-pop shops that got replaced by glittering malls and shopping centers now. If I were upper middle-class then, 12 yrs back I used to travel in Auto-rickshaw and now I go in my own car. And we've now got extremely good highways on selective parts when you travel long distance. When simplified these are the only differences. Other than that, on serious things that affect me on day-to-day life like the ones I mentioned here there is absolutely no difference or development. When I step out of my home or office, I still see the same Coouvam (Or ditches along the side of my home to all-the-way to work if I live on a less privileged city), still see people living in slums, living on the pavement, still see ugly not-so-well maintained public service areas like train / bus stations and restrooms, still see garbage lying outside the designated garbage areas.

It all boils down to what you see is what you believe!! One tar road in selected cities that hardly lasts longer than couple of rain downpours or 3% service-sector employees and other 2% government employees earning high-percent of salaries doesn't necessarily mean development. Unless it spreads, and spreads at rapid pace I am sorry to say sir, we still live in a third world.

My father paid taxes for over 30 years thinking that atleast his offsprings would enjoy the benefits in coming years. I paid taxes for 5 years before leaving the country thinking that I / my future generation would enjoy the benefits of them. My blood-relatives, friends, neighbours most of them salaried are all paying taxes across the country thinking the same. What kind of development have our state and federal governments given them for all their tax money during these years? They still have to face very basic issues and for us all tax payers there is no service.

To add more to the above post (and my final post and reply in this thread related to development topic), Gujarat is able to sutain 7-9% agricultural growth year after year. This is the kind of diversified growth I am looking for. Piece of pies and pizzas or rotis for everyone :)

http://www.sify.com/news/kalam-all-praise-for-gujarat-s-agriculture-growth-news-national-lclqalfdjcd.html

We need more leaders and state to emulate this. As SSCAddict himself / herself said India lives in her villages and we are primarily agro based economy. 9 -12% service sector growth is welcome, but that alone will not take the rest of country with it. We need elevated expressways outside cities too and leave the ground below the elevation for cultivation and other purposes:)

^^ you yourself answered your questions ;)

if the glittering malls have come up then this means people can spend which is not possible in villages...
(to your respective questions)

1) Service sector includes mainly IT(high valued) and other engineering goods... IT sector has direct employment of 2.8 million and will add 10% of that no. in just this single yr.. also our engineering exports are growing 70% so a lot of jobs there also...and to your question of how villages are affected-there are at least 10k people currently working in rural BPO's further the new techniques of IT sector like in healthcare. etc are being developed for rural areas also Infy once did the survey of their employees and they found that 60% of their employees parents did not study higher than 10 or 12 grades so i am assuming many of them would have been from villages :cheers:

2) There are many people who have to take low level jobs because of their mistake of producing 5-10 children and not to study... if anyone who earns eve Rs 8000 and have 6 children then he/she could never ever save....

3) First of all to spread it to villages we need the level of income to rise dramatically and we should have enough taxes from village people to work for infrastructure.. though the steps are being taken to provide 24 hrs electricity(which was not possible 10yrs ago) but still till people do not get 4 wheelers there is no need of building flyovers in rural areas... and yes time will take but things are coming along like providing drinking water,irrigation facilities etc..

4) well this is in sorry state due to population explosion in these cities.. you can't do anything in this case

5) yes my driver owns a house(though very small),my servant owns a house (worth 20 lacs) .. that is because they didn't have 6 children and they didn't have to waste money on alcohol or other thing and lastly they saved a lot... now if you have six children and your(the maid's husband) do not do anything than it is their fault..but yes below middle class in delhi,mumbai etc have improved a lot most of them who owned just a bicycle now owns a motorcycle....so there could be specific cases

6) when the growth started we had 600 million and our target is to reduce it to 100 million or less by 2020...even china has 50 million poor even after 30 yrs of 10% growth

7) with all the system soon becoming techie.. i mean through internet the day will not be far away when a lot of things will be bribe free

8) yes it is happening but it will take time

9) this could not be done due to huge population expansion that no one expected... chandigarh best planned city was designed for half the population that it is today

10) click here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=71869431&postcount=16) and click here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=69679369&postcount=8)

11) yes bihar didn't report a single case this election!!!

12) for that we need funds but our country is poor.. so first we have to do several other things...

LASTLY i want to say that no country could feed 120 crore population and provide house to them or provide job

so you have to agree with me that there will be lacs of people who will remain poor even if we have 20% growth for next 100yrs

:cheers:

To add more to the above post (and my final post and reply in this thread related to development topic), Gujarat is able to sutain 7-9% agricultural growth year after year. This is the kind of diversified growth I am looking for. Piece of pies and pizzas or rotis for everyone :)

http://www.sify.com/news/kalam-all-praise-for-gujarat-s-agriculture-growth-news-national-lclqalfdjcd.html

We need more leaders and state to emulate this. As SSCAddict himself / herself said India lives in her villages and we are primarily agro based economy. 9 -12% service sector growth is welcome, but that alone will not take the rest of country with it. We need elevated expressways outside cities too and leave the ground below the elevation for cultivation and other purposes:)


The four people whom cannot be eliminated from any country.
1) Murderer
2) Beggars
3) Prostitute.
4) Theif.



Everything exists in all the countries, it is only % which varies.
Luckily you got internet to throw out your frustration.
Better learn yoga to calm yourself

I know that you will cookup something to shut my mouth, and the end of the day everybody knows what is what.

^^ Why would I shut u up? Keep talking, someday you'll realize that Public Administration is above and beyond glass buildings and concretes and it has something to do with "for the people" :)

I seriously suggest you to read this book (http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Public-Administration-Book-Readings/dp/0321070550) to get a different perspective. Thevar Magan is a good movie, and what you learnt there is a nice first little step. But these fellas who wrote this has more experience and insight than Kamal Hassan. This will teach you to look at developments through people's prism. Wait!! Don't stop with just reading, venting or appreciating in a public forum. Get down to ground work whenever you get a chance, you will start realizing more about our administration and it'll unfold new world in-front of your eyes. Good luck and let me know how it goes if you get to start on this.

^^ Why would I shut u up? Keep talking, someday you'll realize that Public Administration is above and beyond glass buildings and concretes and it has something to do with "for the people" :)

I seriously suggest you to read this book (http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Public-Administration-Book-Readings/dp/0321070550) to get a different perspective. Thevar Magan is a good movie, and what you learnt there is a nice first little step. But these fellas who wrote this has more experience and insight than Kamal Hassan. This will teach you to look at developments through people's prism. Wait!! Don't stop with just reading, venting or appreciating in a public forum. Get down to ground work whenever you get a chance, you will start realizing more about our administration and it'll unfold new world in-front of your eyes. Good luck and let me know how it goes if you get to start on this.

Boss , all i know is you are more like a Kudumbam Oru Kadambam VISU.
come up with all sorts of arguments to irritate the people around you and shut them up.

I know i cannot change you, but atleast others will not waste trying to argue with you.

^^ Thanks. Hope they all benefit by not wasting time with me and spending "quality time" discussing with you :lol:

I am not sure what have all these above posts got to do with Elevated Expressways. I request most of the senior skyscrappers to follow the basic rule of posting these kind of comments in Chaibar or elsewhere. Discussion are healthy as long as we stick to some basic rules. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

I am not sure what have all these above posts got to do with Elevated Expressways. I request most of the senior skyscrappers to follow the basic rule of posting these kind of comments in Chaibar or elsewhere. Discussion are healthy as long as we stick to some basic rules. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

these kinds of arguements are required to keep the forum active...
no body knows the progress of the project...

the above comments are pretty useful to highlight the current affairs...

there are lots of people who are imagining that india is actually developing..
the above arguements addresses the reality..

i completely agree with kongutamizhan..

The four people whom cannot be eliminated from any country.
1) Murderer
2) Beggars
3) Prostitute.
4) Theif.

Everything exists in all the countries, it is only % which varies.
Luckily you got internet to throw out your frustration.
Better learn yoga to calm yourself

I know that you will cookup something to shut my mouth, and the end of the day everybody knows what is what.

1. tel me which govt (apart from our state govts) takes no actions against people from the above mentioned category..
2. you are comparing india with african countries and wrongly assuming that we are developing...when u compare yurself with a lower level country u r always developing...it is only when u compare yurself with the actually developed countries, you know the pathetic situation in india....

no body is cooking or manipulating any info...
all the info given are from the reality...

pity that u r not knowing the reality...

^^ you yourself answered your questions ;)

if the glittering malls have come up then this means people can spend which is not possible in villages...
(to your respective questions)

:cheers:

unfortunately you dont have answers for many questions (typical response given by politicians) but you wil still claim that india is "the" country...

look at your reply for safe drinking water --> "yes it is happening but it will take time"...

how long wil it take??? another 200 years for drinking water ???? :bash:

unless the basic problems are highlighted/addressed please dont claim that india is developing....

unfortunately you dont have answers for many questions (typical response given by politicians) but you wil still claim that india is "the" country...

look at your reply for safe drinking water --> "yes it is happening but it will take time"...

how long wil it take??? another 200 years for drinking water ???? :bash:

unless the basic problems are highlighted/addressed please dont claim that india is developing....

lol

you can't provide drinking water to 120 crore people in 20 yrs... yes it will take another 50 yrs to reach 70-80% population with drinking water

is it not happening?

so according to you india is not developing and is under developing? :nuts:

Rural Water Supply (http://ddws.nic.in/arwsp.htm)

this is specially for rg

:cheers:

Hi rg49274,

I definitely think India is developing. Ofcourse there is slowness in the developement programs and that is because this country has to lift 1.1 billion people at one go. Since we are a big and populous country the start was slow but we are getting close to critical mass. The momentum is gathering what we need is greasing at the right places (infrastructure, good administration and fast and squeeze out of corruption etc etc).

unfortunately you dont have answers for many questions (typical response given by politicians) but you wil still claim that india is "the" country...

look at your reply for safe drinking water --> "yes it is happening but it will take time"...

how long wil it take??? another 200 years for drinking water ???? :bash:

unless the basic problems are highlighted/addressed please dont claim that india is developing....

I am not sure what have all these above posts got to do with Elevated Expressways. I request most of the senior skyscrappers to follow the basic rule of posting these kind of comments in Chaibar or elsewhere. Discussion are healthy as long as we stick to some basic rules. Thanks for everyone's cooperation.

I think there should not be any problem for this discussion to continue in the same thread.

One of the useless thread in Chennai Subforum is "Elevated expressway", port expressway foundation stone was laid by the PM of India before 2-3years.

This project is an testimony how efficient our country is progressing in infrastructure! A project inaugurated by PM have not even seen 0.0001% progress for past 2years.

A road project carrying former PM name was a diaster for south Chennai.

Hope they stop giving PM names or inviting PM and start giving existing family leaders name, so atleast we can see beautiful roads like Kalaignar Karunanidhi salai connecting ECR and OMR.

I think there should not be any problem for this discussion to continue in the same thread.

Hope they stop giving PM names or inviting PM and start giving existing family leaders name, so atleast we can see beautiful roads like Kalaignar Karunanidhi salai connecting ECR and OMR.

Why this ego gratification I do not u'stand. In ancient times, many charities were done in some one else's name for the fear that the ego will get bloated (if done in their own name).

Of course times have changed. Now we are naming non existent roads and projects on such cheap personalities with the fond hope at least it will get built if we honor their names...

Would rather have it named as Narasimha Pallava Salai (ECR) and Mahendra Pallava Salai (OMR) and have decent roads than name it as RG Salai and have it built to crappy standards for eternity.. (and pay toll on top of it..)

Why this ego gratification I do not u'stand.

Would rather have it named as Narasimha Pallava Salai (ECR) and Mahendra Pallava Salai (OMR) and have decent roads than name it as RG Salai and have it built to crappy standards for eternity.. (and pay toll on top of it..)

Naming would not change anything. Only thing that can change all our woes are Issue Based voting by all eligible voters atleast 95%. Then only all our Politician will start the thinking inclusive progress. Untill then they would be indulging in such silly politics of freebies, Naming, Caste based Politics only.

Btw I have been following this Site for quite a long time just over 5yrs. I have decided to participate actively. As a passive reader i could observe one thing we good at lamenting everything but bad at focussed action.

Hope we will change this at the earliest for the betterment of all.

I Hope I have not hurted any one. Might have chosen wrong thread post. I will correct this in next post.

Of course times have changed. Now we are naming non existent roads and projects on such cheap personalities with the fond hope at least it will get built if we honor their names...

..)

Nope.. Nowadays they name buildings/flyovers/airports/drainage/toilets after leaders name for appeasment. Recently DMK gvt named Chennai GH after former PM RG to appease INC...

lol

you can't provide drinking water to 120 crore people in 20 yrs... yes it will take another 50 yrs to reach 70-80% population with drinking water

is it not happening?

so according to you india is not developing and is under developing? :nuts:

See my reply @ TN Arattai arangam (Chaibar) thread:)

lol

you can't provide drinking water to 120 crore people in 20 yrs... yes it will take another 50 yrs to reach 70-80% population with drinking water

is it not happening?

so according to you india is not developing and is under developing? :nuts:

what i am trying to tell is that the whole world is growing at such a rapid pace (in many depts unlike India) that we are not able to cope up with the growth. there are many factors that are hindering our growth and one of the main reason are the politicians...
we have a system where there is no control over corruption...
politicians always ensure that there are enough poor people in our country to provide feebies and get paid votes....
how can u expect india to grow when we have corrupt politicians ???

according to UN millenium development goals (MDG) report, India is on par with poor African nations in sectors like healthcare, unemployment, corruption and primary education. India as a country has failed to satisfy the norms set by UN.
Any country is considered developing (by UN) if there is an improvement in the above mentioned criteria. Otherwise, the countries are considered under-developed. Understand that India has failed in all the above aspects.
According to UN report, India is under-developed and no one can challenge UN for that report. All are reports are based on facts provided by central govt. That is the fact/reality.
We have failed in so many sectors, but the main problem is that we fail (again) to understand that we are under developed.
please know the facts before posting.

^^ If you want to be taken seriously, start contributing outside this thread productively. All your posts have been in this thread. Till now, you are nothing more than a special interest group trying to bring in all sort of BS just to further your own self interests.

Ofcourse, you can exercise your right to post only in this thread and we can exercise our right to ignore you. Why are you still posting here when KT has moved the discussion which has nothing to do with the topic to Arattai Arangam thread?

Frankly speaking, The Chennai I grew up 20 years back has developed a lot. No one can deny the infrastructure growth when so many prestigious projects such as metro CMRL. If you compare the first 50 years of independence 1950-2000 it is undenialble that the last 10 years Chennai infra has grown in leaps and bounds. No doubt inefficent socilaist oriented govt's licence raj almost took us back by 30 years. At the end of the day we are to be blamed if we elected in effecint gov'ts. We need to remeber Linclons word's " Do not crib what the nation has done for you, Think about what you can do to the nation". Developing a country is everyone's resposibility. Do not blame Gov't, corruption and in efficency. Let's take responsbility and take the country forward. Use every mean to throw out corrupted guys and vote for persons who deliver. I personnaly feel there is no meaning about talking about environment if you dont grow 2 trees yourself. If everyone take a pledge that he will personnaly involve in growing 2 trees than we can make the city green. Critisicsism is constructive only to a certain extent we need to take ownership of our problems.

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according to UN millenium development goals (MDG) report, India is on par with poor African nations in sectors like healthcare, unemployment, corruption and primary education. India as a country has failed to satisfy the norms set by UN.
Any country is considered developing (by UN) if there is an improvement in the above mentioned criteria. Otherwise, the countries are considered under-developed. Understand that India has failed in all the above aspects.
According to UN report, India is under-developed and no one can challenge UN for that report. All are reports are based on facts provided by central govt. That is the fact/reality.
We have failed in so many sectors, but the main problem is that we fail (again) to understand that we are under developed.
please know the facts before posting.

:lol:

you believe UN reports? haven't you read wikileaks?

and BTW always check their sources.. the sources are from 2001 or 2003.. they do not give today's picture

lol

you can't provide drinking water to 120 crore people in 20 yrs... yes it will take another 50 yrs to reach 70-80% population with drinking water

is it not happening?

so according to you india is not developing and is under developing? :nuts:

There was a time in this country when we used to collect drinking waters from taps in railway stations in our journeys.is it possible today?We used to drink water served on roadside hotels.Is it possible today?According to me India has deteriorated and has failed to provide basic needs and allowing the population to grow unchecked is the primary cause for this situation.

allowing the population to grow unchecked is the primary cause for this situation.

when govt. tried to control then it(govt.) fell in 80's

Water is going to be the major issue during the next decade.

The State & Central Govts pay only lip service and siphon off huge money in the name of protected water supply & sewer system.

Many of us do not realise that we have to conserve water and protect our water resources in a urgent fashion.

Coimbatore people did it with Siru Thuli. Chennai ??????

when govt. tried to control then it(govt.) fell in 80's

Their intention was right but strategy was wrong. They forced sterilization indirectly. Family planning should not be forced. It has to be motivated thorough health education. We can even also cut incentives to large families but I dont think Indian politicians have the strength to do it.

But what has family planning, 5 year plans, lack of respect for water to do with Chennai Elevated Expressway Thread. Can we retain the focus of the thread, please ??

^^ naanga ellam panatha coouva-thula pottaLum poduvom, pakathu oorukaran polachu pogattum-nu andha panathula avanukku oru saakadai katti thara mattom.

Adhu pola, elevated express way-la oru velayum nadakalanallum thread-a summavaE vechirupom, yaryachum edhuvum discuss senjaa pongi ezhundhiduvom. yaarukitta?

Sorry couldn't resist, just kiddin :lol: In mood to pull somebody's leg

^^True, we have 944 posts for the project for which not a stone has been turned (except for putting some politicians names on a plaque) but funnily we talk about some posts being out of syllabus.

^^ If you want to be taken seriously, start contributing outside this thread productively. All your posts have been in this thread. Till now, you are nothing more than a special interest group trying to bring in all sort of BS just to further your own self interests.

Ofcourse, you can exercise your right to post only in this thread and we can exercise our right to ignore you. Why are you still posting here when KT has moved the discussion which has nothing to do with the topic to Arattai Arangam thread?

i really dont understand what is your problem...:bash::bash::bash:
i have already ignored you...
if you chose to ingore me, why are you replying back ????? just ignore...
who cares about you....i will do what i should...
i dont belong to any group...i have my own work and i am participating in this thread out of my own interest...
yes i agree that i have some interest...that is to make sure that our people know about the current state of affairs...
you talk foolish things and claim that you are right...
when some poeple talk the truth, you hit back....
you have a bright future in indian politics...ATB...

:lol:

you believe UN reports? haven't you read wikileaks?

and BTW always check their sources.. the sources are from 2001 or 2003.. they do not give today's picture

believing in UN is far far better that believing in india's politicians (as you are doing)...

what do you know about UN's MDG ???
you know nothing about UN's MDG and simply claim that eveyone else apart from you are wrong...
just google and read the MDG report for 2010....
MDG is published every year for all countries....especially for all developing and under developed countries...

Truth?!! Duh.. keep blabbering.

Truth?!! Duh.. keep blabbering.

keep dreaming and wondering :bash:

They have started digging big square pits in NH4 near madhuravayol...I was even able to see steel rods sticking out of those pits... couple of them i remember .. Will post the vdeo soon... :)

They have started digging big square pits in NH4 near madhuravayol...I was even able to see steel rods sticking out of those pits... couple of them i remember .. Will post the vdeo soon... :)

The work on the elevated section between Maduravoyal & Koyambedu is going on fine. I think only the section by the side of the coovum (between Koyambedu and war memorial) is held up for environment clearance

Anybody has any idea about the bridge being constructed near the Ampa Skywalk? Is this part of the Port expressway or is it just a road widening project?

believing in UN is far far better that believing in india's politicians (as you are doing)...

what do you know about UN's MDG ???
you know nothing about UN's MDG and simply claim that eveyone else apart from you are wrong...
just google and read the MDG report for 2010....
MDG is published every year for all countries....especially for all developing and under developed countries...

UN says india has around 40% people without electricity... and our CEA says 90% of rural electrification is complete!! whom to believe you tell? the remaining 10% of rural areas has 40% population? :lol:

^^
Electricity will reach Villages. Street lights will be on. But many people don't take individual connection to their house/huts.

So both statements may be true.

Even in a City like Chennai/Madurai,many residents /Institutions are refusing to connect their house to underground common drainage systems and Corporation has warned of fining such people.

^^
Electricity will reach Villages. Street lights will be on. But many people don't take individual connection to their house/huts.


definition of rural electrification

"Basic infrastructure such as Distribution Transformer and Distribution lines are provided in the inhabited locality as well as the Dalit Basti hamlet where it exists.

2) Electricity is provided to public places like Schools,Panchayat Office,Health Centers,Dispensaries,Community centers etc.

3) The number of households electrified should be at least 10% of the total number of households in the village."

source (http://rggvy.gov.in/rggvy/rggvyportal/index.html)

but the govt. has done its work and now its upto people to follow or not :cheers:

Over 200 people, including residents of Besant Nagar, fisherfolk and enviornmentalists, fasted on Sunday in protest against the proposed elevated expressways. The protest, organised by Save Chennai Beaches and Reclaim Our Beaches movements, had over 250 people from seven countries supporting it online.

"The proposed elevated expressway and the beach express will displace more than 10,000 fisherfolk. The whole city is with the fishermen community. These proposed projects should not be allowed," said Radha Rajagopalan, a resident of Besant Nagar, who took part in the protest.

Nityanand Jayaraman, enviornmentalist and one of the organisers of Save Chennai Beaches campaign said the protest evoked a warm response from residents. "A good number of families have come foreward to extend their support to fisherfolk. Though construction along the beaches was prohibited by the Coastal Regulation Zone notification in 1991, it was later changed by the ministry of enviornment to justify these constructions," said Nityanand.

"So we decided to register our protest by skipping the three meals. The project will come over the nesting grounds of the Olive Ridley sea turtles and many other endangered species, and will wipe them away from our coastline," he added.

All three elevated highway projects -- including the beach expressway, Port-Maduravoyal expressway and the high speed corridor over the Adyar river -- are facing protests from sections of urban residents.

The protestors, quoting minister for enviornment and forests Jairam Ramesh, said the expressways cannot be equated to roads-on-stilts, which is permissible under the Coastal Regulation Zone notification 2011.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Protest-against-proposed-expressways/articleshow/7536297.cms

Instead of building this expressway, gov. should inject this amount to build an additional metro line.

Anybody has any idea about the bridge being constructed near the Ampa Skywalk? Is this part of the Port expressway or is it just a road widening project?

just road widening

just road widening

it must be the new flyover. refer page 15 in annanagar times..
http://www.annanagartimes.in/newsreadpage.php?pdfid=20.2.2011.pdf

it must be the new flyover. refer page 15 in annanagar times..
http://www.annanagartimes.in/newsreadpage.php?pdfid=20.2.2011.pdf


the construction near skywalk is just for widening the road to accomodate the grwoing traffic at the junction due to the mall....

the work for the new flyover (S shaped flyover from NM road to anna arch) is yet to start...

Port Trust contribution to NHAI... Maduravoil project

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=73347579&postcount=267

The expressway instead of being built near the beach can be built beside the MRTS line which would also help both road-rail connectivity thus increasing the patronage for both MRTS and the Expressway.Besides it would not make much a difference being built near the beach as its only a four-laner and would only add to the traffic in the ECR at touchdown points.

the construction near skywalk is just for widening the road to accomodate the grwoing traffic at the junction due to the mall....

the work for the new flyover (S shaped flyover from NM road to anna arch) is yet to start...


I think more focus must be given to the Port-Maduravoyal Expressway because once that is complete,it would reduce the frequent usage of the Poonamalle High Road.

Chennai, Feb. 27: The final hurdle for commissioning the Rs 1,655-crore road project connecting Chennai port and Maduravayol has been cleared with the Union Environment Ministry giving the green signal on Friday.

Mr G. K. Vasan, Union Minister for Shipping, said: “Now that all the hurdles have been cleared, I urge the State Government and the National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) to speed up the execution of this important project,” he said at a function.

In June 2007, the Tamil Nadu Government gave its ‘in principle' approval to the NHAI for the elevated expressway. The project cost then was put at Rs 1,468 crore. In January 2009, the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, laid the foundation stone for the project but it was put on hold for want of environment clearance.

India's longest four-way elevated expressway from the Chennai port to Maduravoyal is 19-km. It will begin near the War Memorial gate and run along the banks of the Cooum up to Koyambedu (14.5 km) and along NH-4 up to Maduravoyal. This is an important project for the Chennai port to enable quick evacuation of containers.

As part of its contribution to the project, Chennai Port Trust on Saturday handed over a cheque for Rs 50 crore to the NHAI. Mr Vasan handed over the cheque to Mr M.R. Kamble, Executive Director, NHAI, at a function. The Shipping Ministry has given its approval for Chennai Port Trust to incur up to Rs 155 crore towards land acquisition and for rehabilitation and resettlement, of which, Rs 50 crore has been handed over.

Mr Vasan also commissioned the Rs 170 crore capital dredging project at Ennore port.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/article1495625.ece

Chennai, Feb. 27: The final hurdle for commissioning the Rs 1,655-crore road project connecting Chennai port and Maduravayol has been cleared with the Union Environment Ministry giving the green signal on Friday.

Mr G. K. Vasan, Union Minister for Shipping, said: “Now that all the hurdles have been cleared, I urge the State Government and the National Highways Authority of India (NHAI) to speed up the execution of this important project,” he said at a function.

In June 2007, the Tamil Nadu Government gave its ‘in principle' approval to the NHAI for the elevated expressway. The project cost then was put at Rs 1,468 crore. In January 2009, the Prime Minister, Dr Manmohan Singh, laid the foundation stone for the project but it was put on hold for want of environment clearance.

India's longest four-way elevated expressway from the Chennai port to Maduravoyal is 19-km. It will begin near the War Memorial gate and run along the banks of the Cooum up to Koyambedu (14.5 km) and along NH-4 up to Maduravoyal. This is an important project for the Chennai port to enable quick evacuation of containers.

As part of its contribution to the project, Chennai Port Trust on Saturday handed over a cheque for Rs 50 crore to the NHAI. Mr Vasan handed over the cheque to Mr M.R. Kamble, Executive Director, NHAI, at a function. The Shipping Ministry has given its approval for Chennai Port Trust to incur up to Rs 155 crore towards land acquisition and for rehabilitation and resettlement, of which, Rs 50 crore has been handed over.

Mr Vasan also commissioned the Rs 170 crore capital dredging project at Ennore port.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/logistics/article1495625.ece

Why only four lane?? Can't they go for 6 or 8 lanes. Any constraints or absence of futuristic thinking as usual

^^ i think a four lane till they get a railway link will be sufficient. once the railway link is there, most of the container traffic will choose rail rather road.

and for 8 lane, more land has to be acquired which will be a never ending task. more pillars in coovum is not a good thing .

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35164268@N02/5491550804/

Saw couple of barricade column 1 km length each and few cranes

Is this for the Chennai Port - Maduravoyal Expressway ?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/35164268@N02/5491550804/

Saw couple of barricade column 1 km length each and few cranes

If it were a 6 lane or 8 lane, the complete coovum river would have been made underground and invisible.

Is this for the Chennai Port - Maduravoyal Expressway ?

Yup. The part between Koyambedu and Maduravayol. The work started in this sector long back as the flyover is along the median.

On what guts are they proceeding? were the slum dwellers resettled?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35164268@N02/5491550804/

Saw couple of barricade column 1 km length each and few cranes

since last 2 yrs i have been watching this same scene whenever i used to go by this way...:bash: last month only they have started digging..

i dont know whether this soma company is gng to built the expressway or gng to cook samosa.....:nuts:

obviously the govt will find ways to start the work or at least act for next one month (similar to tomb setup)....else opposition will use this non-started projects to cook samosa for election...

since last 2 yrs i have been watching this same scene whenever i used to go by this way...:bash: last month only they have started digging..

i dont know whether this soma company is gng to built the expressway or gng to cook samosa.....:nuts:

Elas , Please read the last 20 pages to know why the project is a non starter. there was court case by the people in coovum banks, issues in compensation to the resettled people, Environmental clearence was delayed and funding by the port trust delayed. This thing faced all the problems in the face of earth and finally cleared every hurdle to get the thing started. Last week Environment clearence was received

On what guts are they proceeding? were the slum dwellers resettled?

The part between Koyambedu and Maduravoyal is along the median and the road was widened long back. No resettling or compensation problems here.

^^ No I'm talking in the context of whole project!!

^^ No I'm talking in the context of whole project!!

Two flyovers separated by a mile or so. thats why work started.

Elas , Please read the last 20 pages to know why the project is a non starter. there was court case by the people in coovum banks, issues in compensation to the resettled people, Environmental clearence was delayed and funding by the port trust delayed. This thing faced all the problems in the face of earth and finally cleared every hurdle to get the thing started. Last week Environment clearence was received

arun82 , above all the reasons you have mentioned there is one more thing why the project dint start. There was a change in alignment and length. initially the project was awarded to L&T and then cancelled and given to SOMA for 1700 crores. in this CBI has found evidence that TR balu and DMK have received some kickbacks from soma.

the case is in cold storage as CBI is CONGRESS BUREA OF INVESTIGATION.

the case is in cold storage as CBI is CONGRESS BUREA OF INVESTIGATION.

BUREA = alamari.. (locked and sealed)..

Look at the CRZ clearance document for port-madhuravoyal expressway..

http://moef.nic.in/downloads/public-information/chennai%20elevated%20road.pdf

Go through the conditions for granting clearance, lot of information in there :D

^^Thanks Kewl. Was awaiting this. :)

The Union Ministry of Environment and Forests, insisting on strict compliance with over 30 specific conditions, has accorded Coastal Regulation Zone (CRZ) clearance for construction of an elevated road from the Chennai port to Maduravoyal.

After scrutinising the documents submitted, the Expert Appraisal Committee had recommended CRZ clearance for the project subject to compliance with conditions, mostly during the construction phase.

As a precondition before starting work, the MoEF has ordered the setting up of a high-level advisory and monitoring committee under the chairmanship of the Chief Secretary and including secretaries of Environment and Public Works Department, experts and other stake holders.

The State Coastal Zone Management Authority would have to be fully involved in the monitoring process and during construction and operation.

Apart from obtaining all necessary clearances, the project proponents should ensure there was no hindrance to free flow of water in the Cooum river at any point of time and that necessary mitigating measures were in place against adverse impact on water bodies.

The MoEF has also asked for the status of the families to be rehabilitated as of 2010 and the action programme and the plan showing the Singapore model of Cooum restoration and the location of pillars prior to the commencement of work.

In its communication to Chairman, Chennai Port Trust, the Ministry cautioned against any construction work other than what is permitted in CRZ notification. There should not be any disposal of solid or liquid waste into the water body. All the top soil excavated during construction should be stored for use in horticulture / landscape development within the project site.

Fly ash should be used as building material in the construction as per the provisions of Fly Ash Notification 1999. Ready-mixed concrete must be used in construction, the MoEF said.

Other conditions include taking into account seismic nature of the area in the design and provision for longitudinal drains all along the project road and adequate under passes and culverts to ensure proper drainage area.

The CRZ clearance is subject to the final order of the Supreme Court in the matter of Goa Foundation Vs Union of India in Writ Petition (Civil) No. 460 of 2004, as might be applicable to this project, the MoEF stated in its communication.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Chennai/article1507177.ece

Any idea what is that "matter of Goa Foundation Vs Union of India in Writ Petition (Civil) No. 460 of 2004"?

^^ meet google (http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&hs=oWG&rls=en&channel=suggest&q=Goa+Foundation+Vs+Union+of+India+460+of+2004&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=)

Of course I have met him. He is a good friend of mine. These being legal documents, I want someone to break it down for me (SSC does it best and I have done my fair bit too).

Ah well, i was hoping you would be smart enough to break it down for me :P i couldnt gather much from the ruling either

Ok here it goes.

Crux of the matter:
Section 9 of the Wildlife Conservation Strategy 2002 states “Lands falling within 10 km. of the boundaries of National Parks and Sanctuaries should be notified as eco-fragile zones under section 3(2)(v) of the Environment (Protection) Act and Rule 5 Sub-rule 5(viii) & (x) of the Environment (Protection) Rules”

So I guess this project falls under the purview of the section because part of it lies within 10 km of Guindy National Park. These areas are called environmentally sensitive areas (ESA's)

It seems the MOEF under pressure from the WWF India wrote a letter to all state governments to come up with the areas which will fall into the category of ESA and declare them as such. They were also directed to notify the activities going on in ESA's. As usual no state government seemed to care about it except the state of Goa which managed some half baked document not compliant with what the MOEF asked for.

This led to the supreme court directing the states to send the details to MOEF without delay. Recently Haryana, Sikkim, Chattisgarh, Assam, Karnataka and Gujarat have also sent in their proposals to the MoEF. After all these plans are submitted by the state governments, they are sent to the Supreme Court for final approval. This matter is still pending with the Supreme Court.

My interpretation:
Since this is a generic matter and is not specifically directed at the port - maduravoyal expressway, there is nothing to worry about. The supreme court has to specifically strike out this project if it finds it faulty or if it doesnt comply with the rules and regulations.

This is what I could make out from the internet. The documents are really vague from a layman perspective and like a typical legal document keep on referring to some other order or letter in endless loops. Someone like Kannan or Ranga would be able to give a better idea.

BTW when I was researching on the topic I found these two letters from MOEF; One for a pipeline from Port of Karaikal to Nagapattinam being built by CPCL and another for SIPCOT SEZ in Kanchi dist.

http://www.cpcl.co.in/CRZ-CLEARANCE/Env.%20Clearance%20for%20COJ%20-%20KPPLCrude%20line.pdf

http://www.sipcot.com/EIA.PDF

The conditions are all similar in all the documents. Most of the conditions listed in the expressway clearance are listed in other documents too (including the Goa vs Union of India civil suite). It seems these are common conditions which the clerks just copy paste for every clearance. So I guess the road block form the MOEF POV is over.

Those who are really interested can go through this document. It has lot of info. http://assets.wwfindia.org/downloads/indias_notified_ecologicallysensitive_areas.pdf

Madras Port Maduravoyal Elevated Corridor:

This is going to run from the Madras port and Metro Rail is also planning a new line almost along this route.

it will run along Cooum river in Chetpet area and Aminjikarai area.

Cooum is a waterway as per the revenue records, even though it is more a sewer channel now. This brings the banks of Cooum under CRZ areas and so the MoEF clearance is needed.

We need to get MoEF / TNPCB clearance even to build or alter a G+1 house in Chetpet which is within 100 metres from Cooum HTL.

As per the Traffic planning, there is no other alignment possible, it seems. Since it runs through some of the densely populated areas, there will be lot of resettlement issues also.

If they had planned well in advance in sync with Metro Rail project, they could have avoided lot of troubles.


Coastal Elevated Highway along Beach:

This highway runs along the coast (where MoEF clearance is needed for any construction upto 500 metres from HTL).

Moreover, it runs and cuts through Adyar Estuary, which is a eco sensitive & fragile area.

It also affects the livelihood of traditional fishermen who has been living there for centuries.

It will affect the aesthetics of the beautiful beach we all are proud of.

It also affect the breeding habits of Turtles and other endangered species.

The gains that will accrue from this corridor is miniscule compared to the adverse effects it will create on ecology & society.

A very ill advised plan.

^^ MOEF clearance is not given for the coastal expressway. I think it is given only for port maduravoyal expressway.

^^ I think kannan, is saying why MoEF clearance is required for both. Not that both got clearance.

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^^ Thanks for the update. Great work.

Madras Port Maduravoyal Elevated Corridor:
it will run along Cooum river in Chetpet area and Aminjikarai area.

As per the Traffic planning, there is no other alignment possible, it seems. Since it runs through some of the densely populated areas, there will be lot of resettlement issues also.


valid point highlighted by kannan which has been neglected by almost all people (including govt officials)

looking at the moef clearance document, it has been mentioned that only 1ha of land is private...
this is a blatant lie....
its after all a govt docuemnt...so no surprises...
they ll always do what is not required...
almost 90% of the land belongs to private...

the proposed route goes above 1000s of houses whose owners possess valid land documents...

the market value of land is very high at places near chetpet, aminjikarai, mmda colony....
how will the govt provide compensation for such a huge lot of people ???

the moef clearance is the first hurdle (certainly not the last) crossed....
political instability and huge land acquisiton will certainly delay the proceeedings...

as per the moef statement, a committee ll be formed to discuss various issues like public hearing (not conducted so far), technical feasibility (which is not at all possible) and massive land acquisition...

the work on phase 1 ll start and i guess the phase 2 of this project ll be based on the committee's recommendations...

phase 1 itself ll take atleast 2 years to complete....

One more IT corridor in the making.

valid point highlighted by kannan which has been neglected by almost all people (including govt officials)

looking at the moef clearance document, it has been mentioned that only 1ha of land is private...
this is a blatant lie....
its after all a govt docuemnt...so no surprises...
they ll always do what is not required...
almost 90% of the land belongs to private...

the proposed route goes above 1000s of houses whose owners possess valid land documents...

the market value of land is very high at places near chetpet, aminjikarai, mmda colony....
how will the govt provide compensation for such a huge lot of people ???

the moef clearance is the first hurdle (certainly not the last) crossed....
political instability and huge land acquisiton will certainly delay the proceeedings...

as per the moef statement, a committee ll be formed to discuss various issues like public hearing (not conducted so far), technical feasibility (which is not at all possible) and massive land acquisition...

the work on phase 1 ll start and i guess the phase 2 of this project ll be based on the committee's recommendations...

phase 1 itself ll take atleast 2 years to complete....

I was told that the Depts concerned have been advised to give Market Rate + 10% but no case can be filed. Seems like a practical solution.

The fully affected parties should get compensation @ Market rate + 10% and also allotment in a similar locality within city.

The partially affected should get compensation for the affected portion @ Market Rate + 10% and also the TDR for the lost portions. The TDR can be traded in the market.

I was told that the Depts concerned have been advised to give Market Rate + 10% but no case can be filed. Seems like a practical solution.

The fully affected parties should get compensation @ Market rate + 10% and also allotment in a similar locality within city.

The partially affected should get compensation for the affected portion @ Market Rate + 10% and also the TDR for the lost portions. The TDR can be traded in the market.

the idea is great, but in India ideas remain only in paper but not in practise..

just look at the current scenario....

the market rate in mmda, aminjikarai,nungambakkam and chetpet are very high...starting from 5k to 10k rs/sqft...

there are thousands of families with valid documents who have to be compensated...

imagine the amount of money required just for compensation...
the calculated amount came around 1000 crores as per the market values in these areas....

will the govt be able to provide valid compensation for all the affected people ?????

this is the big question...
the delay is due to this reason....

people dont care about the expressway (as its no use to them)...
they are more worried about the compensation which will be looted by the govt in the name of "development"

with elections around the corner and if the govt changes, who knows, the second phase of the project may be scrapped...

lets see what happnes...

the idea is great, but in India ideas remain only in paper but not in practise..


the market rate in mmda, aminjikarai,nungambakkam and chetpet are very high...starting from 5k to 10k rs/sqft...

there are thousands of families with valid documents who have to be compensated...

imagine the amount of money required just for compensation...
the calculated amount came around 1000 crores as per the market values in these areas....

will the govt be able to provide valid compensation for all the affected people ?????

this is the big question...
the delay is due to this reason....


lets see what happnes...

I do not know how much land is to be acquired exactly. I assume that it will be a corridor of certain width , which should be enough to take care of future requirements also.

Though there will be only columns with foundation, NHAI may need space for digging and forming the foundation. Future Management of repairs may also be there.

People can not be allowed to live on the base for the foundations later.

Now that the change of guard is round the corner, I am least optimistic on any new feasibility study / project proposal will take off by the next regime in Tamil Nadu.

With a pathetic thought process of Congress who give all kinds of trouble to non-Congress states, I am also equally pessimistic that any on-going project would complete on time. On the first available opportunity, respective departments will put the project on hold.

“List out action plan on slum eviction”

Social activist Medha Patkar on Tuesday said political parties must list out the action plan with regard to the issue of slum eviction in the city in their manifesto.

“The elevated expressway project should not have been cleared. The government is pushing only one kind of infrastructure projects, elitist infrastructure projects. There is no sensitivity in favour of the urban poor,” she added.

Urging a group of slum residents who held a demonstration in the city to start a “Land occupation movement,” she said, “We must strike at the centres of power that are bulldozing us.”

Apart from slum dwellers, many people from residential localities with better infrastructure facilities around the Cooum River participated in the demonstration. “We have been issued notice. We are worried. I request the government to drop the elevated expressway project,” said Indira Ganeshkumar, a resident of Perumal Koil Street, Aminjikarai.

TN Govt. beware of these encroachers! Wisely Anna Nagar has been given to 'Hand'.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/16/stories/2011031662680300.htm

I do not know how much land is to be acquired exactly. I assume that it will be a corridor of certain width , which should be enough to take care of future requirements also.

Though there will be only columns with foundation, NHAI may need space for digging and forming the foundation. Future Management of repairs may also be there.

People can not be allowed to live on the base for the foundations later.

the project is running along the banks of cooum and not above the river (as stated by MOEF in its terms and conditions)...

imagine a 5km stretch which wipes out 15m private land (after the cooum banks).....
the volume of land to be acquired is huge...

“List out action plan on slum eviction”



TN Govt. beware of these encroachers! Wisely Anna Nagar has been given to 'Hand'.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/03/16/stories/2011031662680300.htm


whom are you calling encroachers ????

among the people affected, around 70% have valid land documents....

the project will not be allowed to take off without providing valid compensation (which obviously will not be provided due to massive land
acquisitions)...

the election results (if as expected) will certainly shut the doors for the 2nd phase of the project....

Now that the change of guard is round the corner, I am least optimistic on any new feasibility study / project proposal will take off by the next regime in Tamil Nadu.

With a pathetic thought process of Congress who give all kinds of trouble to non-Congress states, I am also equally pessimistic that any on-going project would complete on time. On the first available opportunity, respective departments will put the project on hold.

UPA 2 Govt will become shaky after the elections to the five state assemblies what with the 2G scam investigations turning nightmare,mamata's tantrums ,black money issue (Hassan ali) and the Telengana problem with other pinpricks like the gujjar and jat demand for reservations in jobs.Therefore no need to be pessimistic if AIADMK comes to power in TN which appears likely as on date.