I said "FIFA won't care". Meaning the old men in suits in Zurich. Not players and coaches. I already know the players and coaches hate it and I'm no fan of it myself. My point was that the suits have been shown to be flexible in allowing artificial surfaces for their less glamorous events.

Yes. But my point was to show that because of such complaints, for finals, the suits wouldn't be so tolerant.

This really is a wonderful soccer stadium.

Yes. But my point was to show that because of such complaints, for finals, the suits wouldn't be so tolerant.

Well why did the suits accept it in the first place? Climate? My arse.. The technology to keep and maintain real grass is there, and has been for several years now, and its only getting better. The suits have just been oblivious to it, and turned the deaf ear. And whos to blame them? Just think of all the money involved in the plastic grass...

Yes. But my point was to show that because of such complaints, for finals, the suits wouldn't be so tolerant.

You must be the last person on earth to believe the FIFA suits care what other people think. They're a bunch of corrupt thieves that just gave a world cup to a speck of sand in the desert. What's right doesn't matter to them. If a player or coach whines about the playing surface at a youth world cup or the women's european championship it's nothing more than a tree falling in the woods to FIFA. FIFA doesn't care and they can get away with it because for those less glamorous secondary tournaments the global viewing public doesn't really care either. It's only the major tournaments (world cup, euro etc.) that will remain a plastic-free environment for the foreseeable future.

Is the roof completely sealed when it is closed for inclement weather?

Not from me, but here's a few sets (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/11/27/photos-the-2011-grey-cup/) of pics (http://photogallery.thestar.com/1093324) from the game.

http://i.imgur.com/ELMtC.jpg

Great pics... Was it a sellout?

Great pics... Was it a sellout?

Yes a complete sellout at 54,313. Great atmosphere and the best team won!!!!

Is the roof completely sealed when it is closed for inclement weather?

They have had a couple of bugs to work out but it does completely seal to keep the rain out. Apparently there is an inflatable membrane that seals from the fixed room to the retractable part.

Just to clarify first american football game was played in 1869 and the real football is several hundred years older. On top of this american football is only played in the US
and a similar version in Canada and real football is played in every country in the world
and is the biggest spectator sport in the world so you should change your silly, local game name to soccer.
Do americans always have to act like a bullies and everything has to be like you want it to be ?
By the way I love America, live here and wouldn't want to move anywhere else but
this is not the centre of the universe (at least anymore)

When players stop flopping like fish outta water to fake an injury and then need a WWI era stretcher for a hang nail, maybe then will I give soccer more credit. Oh, and as for your comment about football being only played in America and Canada, their are currently Americans, Canadians, Australians, Africans, Germans, Filipinos and Latinos playing in the NFL and their are leagues all over the world.

Fabulous stadium, fabulous team, fabulous league. :okay:

OUR LEAGUE, OUR FOOTBALL!

When players stop flopping like fish outta water to fake an injury and then need a WWI era stretcher for a hang nail, maybe then will I give soccer more credit. Oh, and as for your comment about football being only played in America and Canada, their are currently Americans, Canadians, Australians, Africans, Germans, Filipinos and Latinos playing in the NFL and their are leagues all over the world.

Trust me, soccer doesn't need your support. You just use the diving thing as an excuse because you don't like the sport - much easier to say you just hate it. It does just fine without your support though :lol::lol: Low scoring, nil nil draws, diving...and is still infinitely more popular than any sport you like. Must kill you.

:lol: Yeah, those gridiron leagues around the world are massive... The MLS alone is bigger than every gridiron league in the world put together outside of the NFL and CFL (though that should just be American gridiron because no one else plays the Canadian form). That's embarrassing. Show me a gridiron league outside NA that averages more than 20k... 15k... 10... 5k? Yeah, a global behemoth. :nuts:

Says a lot about the two sports. Though American gridiron is actually watchable. Don't know why Canada ever decided to bastardize the game.

Trust me, soccer doesn't need your support. You just use the diving thing as an excuse because you don't like the sport - much easier to say you just hate it. It does just fine without your support though :lol::lol: Low scoring, nil nil draws, diving...and is still infinitely more popular than any sport you like. Must kill you.

:lol: Yeah, those gridiron leagues around the world are massive... The MLS alone is bigger than every gridiron league in the world put together outside of the NFL and CFL (though that should just be American gridiron because no one else plays the Canadian form). That's embarrassing. Show me a gridiron league outside NA that averages more than 20k... 15k... 10... 5k? Yeah, a global behemoth. :nuts:

Says a lot about the two sports. Though American gridiron is actually watchable. Don't know why Canada ever decided to bastardize the game.

Bastardize the game? A bit rich considering the roots of american football came from Mcgill University in Canada. Up until the Mcgill vs Harvard series of 1873 the american game was a version of soccer. The american game of choice would probably still be soccer if Harvard was never exposed to the "Mcgill Rules".

When players stop flopping like fish outta water to fake an injury and then need a WWI era stretcher for a hang nail, maybe then will I give soccer more credit. Oh, and as for your comment about football being only played in America and Canada, their are currently Americans, Canadians, Australians, Africans, Germans, Filipinos and Latinos playing in the NFL and their are leagues all over the world.

& British :banana: We have a few guys who have won the superbowl.
But the leagues need to work tho

soccer is great, football is great. Now what about the stadium.

& British :banana: We have a few guys who have won the superbowl.


Who? Osi Umenyiora and Lawrence Tynes do NOT count. :lol:

Says a lot about the two sports. Though American gridiron is actually watchable. Don't know why Canada ever decided to bastardize the game.

What about Rugby? We all know that both sports descended from Rugby? Wouldn't that be bastardization of that game?

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Who? Osi Umenyiora and Lawrence Tynes do NOT count. :lol:

I think there have been a few kickers from the UK who have won the Superbowl.

rugby, football and gridiron are all great and COMPLETELY different games even though they may all derive from the same thing. these arguments are stupid! get over it and move on.

^^ No, sometimes you need to set the record straight. That guy made it sound like football is some US sport that Canada adopted.

Bastardize the game? A bit rich considering the roots of american football came from Mcgill University in Canada. Up until the Mcgill vs Harvard series of 1873 the american game was a version of soccer. The american game of choice would probably still be soccer if Harvard was never exposed to the "Mcgill Rules".

Exactly. I almost fell off my chair when I read MS20's comment. Good god, it's a home grown Canuck sport. Do people not get that? :ohno:

I love it when you Euros call it "diving", what a joke. Diving is an elegant graceful sport, call it what it is, flopping. I watch a ton of soccer and I remember several World Cups ago, a Brazilian player was accidentally kicked in the shin, and immediately fell down like he was shot with a shotgun, writhing in pain, and here's the worst part......he was clutching his FACE!!! Thankfully, this was one if the rare instances where the ref didn't buy it and gave the flopper a yellow card.


Trust me, soccer doesn't need your support. You just use the diving thing as an excuse because you don't like the sport - much easier to say you just hate it. It does just fine without your support though :lol::lol: Low scoring, nil nil draws, diving...and is still infinitely more popular than any sport you like. Must kill you.

:lol: Yeah, those gridiron leagues around the world are massive... The MLS alone is bigger than every gridiron league in the world put together outside of the NFL and CFL (though that should just be American gridiron because no one else plays the Canadian form). That's embarrassing. Show me a gridiron league outside NA that averages more than 20k... 15k... 10... 5k? Yeah, a global behemoth. :nuts:

Says a lot about the two sports. Though American gridiron is actually watchable. Don't know why Canada ever decided to bastardize the game.

http://top100projects.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/BC-Place_Aerial.jpg

http://www.bcplacestadium.com/files/images/news/badge/Football%20Roof%20Open%201st%20night%20316%20by%20614.jpg


http://media.oregonlive.com/timbers/photo/vancouver-bc-skylinejpg-05efabd0ec12ed76.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/gregfrers/bcplace_584.jpg

http://www.plus.ca/Portals/41615/images/bc%20place.jpg

http://www.theprovince.com/news/5482603.bin?size=620x400

http://www.timescolonist.com/business/5498626.bin?size=620x400



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http://media.canada.com/1ceaa7d7-3889-4f4c-9003-991895e62419/SUN0516%20Stadium.jpg

Masterpiece! :drool: :drool:

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to be fair, getting kicked in the shin hurts like hell. Again, why are we arguing about sports being legitimate. Some places like some sports. Some like others. None of them are universally loved to a point that they eclipse all in every nation. Each has their favorite.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6535412033_246a099b4d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/photocat62/6535412033/)
Stadium Glow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/photocat62/6535412033/) by Photocat62 (http://www.flickr.com/people/photocat62/), on Flickr

Here's a rather nice night shot of the stadium I found. Just a shame it's in black and white. It's usually quite vibrant colours at night... Easily my new favourite nighttime (not to mention daytime) feature on the skyline.

http://www.terminalcitytshirts.com/images/terminal-city-skyline2.jpg
by Terminal City T-Shirts (http://www.terminalcitytshirts.com)

warsaw at vancouver
bucharest at warsaw
Vancouver at bucharest

Originilaty spreads everywhere... :|

warsaw at vancouver
bucharest at warsaw
Vancouver at bucharest

Originilaty spreads everywhere... :|

Don't forget Frankfurt

So I guess all the roofless stadiums are REALLY original... Haha!

The best stadium in Canada. Winnipeg's will be a tad smaller, but might give BC Place a run for its money.

Don't forget Frankfurt

yes it is "where all begins" :D

BC Place will remain BC Place. The BC government rejects a $35 million dollar proposal by Telus (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/338719--province-rejects-35-m-proposal-to-rename-bc-place) to sponsor the stadium.

WTF is up with these commie pinkos of the BC government? Stadium naming rights are as close to free money as you can get. Is BC Place really an iconic name? I've always thought it to be fairly generic and not particularly evocative. I thought the "Skydome" was an iconic name.

Edit: I must admit that $35 million for a 20 year naming right seems a bit too low. I hope the powers that be rejected the deal because they felt they were getting lowballed.

nice stadium

WTF is up with these commie pinkos of the BC government? Stadium naming rights are as close to free money as you can get. Is BC Place really an iconic name? I've always thought it to be fairly generic and not particularly evocative. I thought the "Skydome" was an iconic name.

Edit: I must admit that $35 million for a 20 year naming right seems a bit too low. I hope the powers that be rejected the deal because they felt they were getting lowballed.

I'm pretty sure that is exactly the reason they did so. That and the province put $500 million into the updated stadium, so why not have them be the title sponsors.

I'm pretty sure that is exactly the reason they did so. That and the province put $500 million into the updated stadium, so why not have them be the title sponsors.

It looks like Telus did not want BC Place as part of the total name, and good for PavCo for sticking to their guns. I am sure some one will come along and be the X Stadium at BC Place and probably more than the 1.75M per year Telus offered

I still think Rogers burned alot of goodwill and should have called it the Rogers SkyDome

Wheres all the luxury suites in that stadium?

^^
At the back of the lower deck in sort of a horseshoe around one end, there are some club/business seats along on sideline as well.

Also its ridiculous how they renovated the stadium AFTER the Winter Olympic. Would have gotten more from the renovation when it was done BEFORE the Olympics.

Also its ridiculous how they renovated the stadium AFTER the Winter Olympic. Would have gotten more from the renovation when it was done BEFORE the Olympics.

Some of the internal renovations were done before the Olympics (bathrooms, some consessions, suites and Club Seating) but by the time they had agreed to do it and the roof technology there was risk it would not be done in time for the Olympics and the costs would have been about 30% higher. The IOC also did not want Vancouver to take that risk incase there were construction delays

God ! Thanks for sharing the images, it's impressive and beautiful, even if very similar to Warsaw & Bucharest that's true...

It is by far the best stadium in Canada to me !

and Vancouver seems to be a sooooo cooool city...

Oversized Telus sign blamed as BC Place deal breaker
Minister of Jobs, Tourism and Innovation Pat Bel sheds more light on the failed renaming of BC Place
By Jonathan Fowlie, Vancouver Sun
March 13, 2012 4:48 AM

VICTORIA — The B.C. Liberal government says it cancelled a deal to rename BC Place in large part because Telus was planning to place two signs on the outside of the stadium that were almost 2.7 metres (nine feet) larger than agreed.

“The deal was changing so much. Then when we found out this piece, that the signs were much, much larger than what had originally been agreed to, then that was again another big change that we were confronted with,” Minister of Jobs, Tourism and Innovation Pat Bell said Monday.

“After a year of trying to work through this, and not get to a successful decision, I think the right thing to do is say, ‘Listen, let’s just not pursue this.’”

The explanation is significantly different than the one the government has provided so far — that the province wanted to retain the BC Place name, and that the final deal was not in the best interests of taxpayers.

On Monday, Bell said the issue came at the end of a protracted negotiation, adding the time had come to just make a decision.

“It got to the point where it felt like we were trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. The deal was changing so much,” added Bell, who said he and Finance Minister Kevin Falcon, not cabinet, made the final decision.

“I have been involved with this file for the better part of a year. There’s just been so many twists and turns in it, and eventually I think the responsible thing to do is to make a decision.”

Bell said the government originally told companies it was looking to sell rights that included the ability to place two illuminated signs on the outside of BC Place that would fit within a ring that encircles the base of the roof. Such signs would have been about 3.3 to 3.9 metres (11 to 13 feet) high.

The now constructed “Telus Park” sign was 4.5 metres (15 feet) for much of the writing, a Telus spokesman said, though he agreed some letters stretched to almost 6.7 metres (22 feet).

During negotiations, Telus told the government that if it had to reduce the size of its planned sign, it would also significantly reduce the $1.75 million per year it was prepared to pay for naming rights.

The Telus spokesman, who did not want to be named due to sensitivity of negotiations, confirmed that was Telus’s position in its written terms, but added the company later took that off the table.

“In the later stages of negotiations we agreed that if the signs needed to be reduced in size, or were required to be reduced in size, that we would not reduce our funding and that we would hold the accountability on that front,” said the spokesman.

“Towards the later stages we said, look, we’re willing to drop that.”

The Telus spokesman also provided The Sun with a letter from Jacque Duguay, vice-president of operations at Pattison Sign Group, which constructed the signs.

“In the case of the re-branding of BC Place to Telus Park, we have consulted with our customer on various elements of the design, including the size of the signage,” read the undated and unaddressed letter.

“Because of the large dimensions of a stadium like BC Place, large signs are required to adequately show the brand.In our opinion, these signs are the right dimension to properly brand this size of building.”

For government, the concern was not just having a much larger sign on BC Place, but also the fact that Telus would be getting a much better deal than had been offered to other companies in the initial call for proposals.

Falcon said negotiations were also complicated by the months’ long delay caused by the Liberal leadership race.

“We accept our share of responsibility for the fact that it has been a long drawn-out process, particularly given the interregnum period where we’ve got a leadership race going on,” he said.

“But it has also been a process that has been frustrated by the negotiation process, and when new elements are introduced that have significant potential impact to impair the value you’re receiving, you have to take the time to do the homework,” he continued.

Falcon said he regrets the deal couldn’t be done with Telus, but he still believes walking away was the best move for taxpayers.

“We’re not proud of the fact that this deal took a long time, and it’s unfortunate in our view that it didn’t meet what we believe is the public interest test,” he said.

Peter Brown, the well-known Vancouver financier who recently resigned from PavCo’s board, said he believes all three parties share responsibility for the failure.

“Unfortunately, in my opinion, all three parties — PavCo, Telus and the B.C. government — could share some varying responsibility for a flawed process and poor communication,” Brown said Monday.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Oversized+Telus+sign+blamed+Place+deal+breaker/6291676/story.html#ixzz1p0Yg7K5u

There are pictures of whitecaps at BC place?

Has anyone heard any rumors of Friendlies with the Whitecaps? I would love to see what BC Place looks and feels like for soccer with a full house of the Whitecaps vs. Chelsea, Real Madrid or some other big club

There are pictures of whitecaps at BC place?

Before:
http://www.picturesofvancouver.com/LocalEvents/WhitecapsSoccer/LEWHI00010/423479760_oWjVh-M-6.jpg

After:
http://maofootball.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/bc-place-17.jpg?w=600&h=398

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After:
http://maofootball.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/bc-place-17.jpg?w=600&h=398

With open roof must be great. Vancouver got a nice stadium.:)