Here is a general thread on magnificent Liverpool with a bunch of pics mainly taken from these sites:
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http://www.freefoto.com

Pier Head and the Three Graces on Liverpool's waterfront

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Europe's oldest Chinatown has a magnificent gate:

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The Catholic Cathedral:

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The Anglican Cathedral:

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Albert Docks area:

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Liverpool's well preserved and varied city centre:

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4.5/10 :) Not many high rises :(

Not bad. Nice old buildings ;)
6/10

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The Royal Liver building, Beetham tower and the Radio City tower are all impressive landmarks, not to mention the two superb cathedrals, which make this skyline unique.
:)

4.5/10

6/10 no big stuff..

5/10

5/10

Not many high-rise buildings, the old buildings are good
7/10

6/10 small skyline. better than nothing though, i expected zip skyline:D

What can i say? Absolutely world class! Great thread Monkey!

8/10
With the beetham tower coming along well, and the prospects of Unity, looks like liverpool may soon have a decent skyline. Every time i go to pierhead, the liver buildings still amaze me, the pics just dont do it and liverpool justice.
Oh and great thread monkey :)

7/10

7.5/10

great architecture, but skyline is just ok.

6.0

Its a lovely skyline with fantsatic old buildings, but its let down by some monsters. 7/10

Nice city, but no real skyline here

the architecture is fabulous. many old style bldgs. but not very dense.
7/10

Even without the cluster of highrises appearing to the north, Liverpool was one of the UK's premier skylines, thanks to the Three Graces. The Liver Building is awe inspiring - almost a skyline in itself.

In context, I'd only give it 6/10, but the quality of architecture, and the potential for the future is tremendous.

Wow!Finally a city in UK other than London that has a proper skyline.
7.5/10

Sorry, I don't like this old architecture of building. But the city can be beautifaul. 7/10

6/10

Gave it a 7.5, but I think in the future Liverpool will have one of the best skylines in Europe. I also look forward to seeing a lot of the new developments planned for the European City of Culture 2008.

its not very special compared to big city skylines, but the architecture on some of the buildings is beautiful.

i give it a 6/10

Beautiful little skyline, but for a city in such a large urbanised area quite humble. I suppose it has to do with poor times in the latter half of the previous century (?)

Liverpool c'est super! le huit points

6/10

A city with enormous potential.

The next few years are going to be very exciting indeed.

At the moment the skyline is probably worth 6.5 and relies too heavily on the Liver Building, but if all the current proposals go through then this could increase to as high as 8.

Hey everyone, I'm new to these forums. Anyway, I build 3D computer models, and I've chosen to work on the Royal Liver Building. I have found a few good pictures online but the majority of those I've found are low resolution, or too small altogether. Does anyone on here know of a good place to look (online, printed publications, etc).

For anyone that actually lives in Liverpool, is there any way you could go take some photos? I need close up shots of the upper portion of the building and some of the more intricate architectural elements. I'd be willing to compensate you for your time.

Any help would be most appreciated...

you have to go across the river and appreciate the true majesty of thisn city... especially at night in the UK she has few equals and in the next few years Liverpool will become one of the greatest skylines in europe.

Post a skyline pic of this city in 2 years time, and I believe most people wouldn't recognise it was the same... I agree with most people, there practically is no skyline at present. The Liver Building cannot make a skyline by itself, and the other two graces aren't very tall.. (that is not denoting their awesome beauty, however)

Yet since Beetham, a 90m residential went up, the whole area close to it has seen interest in development. This could be quickly become the densest cluster in the UK outside of Canary Wharf, London. I think then people will give higher marks.. just hope that Liverpool sees the potential it has, come 2008.. when the city will be Capital of Culture, it may be a very grand international city indeed.

10/10 I LOVE Liverpool

I went to that cafe in the 7th picture down, it's cafe mocha, yet it doesn't serve mocha, and the coffee it does serve is out of a machine.

As for liverpool, the three graces are wonderful, but other apart from that the cities pretty ugly.

looks good 7,5/10

I'm not a manc and have no reason to be jealous of Liverpool. I think the skyline from the seafront is pretty cute but hardly impressive. so that would get 6/10, but for the simple fact that Liverpool is such a crap hole, giant council estate of a place I'll deduct 2 points.

4/10

Beautiful I love it yay! i give it a 10!

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Just thought I'd share this seeing as no one else has (of yet), Courtesy of Badgerman is a pano of the recent developments of the waterfront. As you can see there is development currently underway. Also, this week saw the official approval of the new beetham tower, which would become the city's tallest. You can also see to the right two other towers well underway, these will both stretch the cluster out towards the 3 Liver buildings. Many other towers are planned in this very close area, ranging from 20 stories upwards..

I know its still not much compared to some cities, yet you can see how the city has began to embrace high rise buildings and make the most of its fantastic setting, can you see the potential? Give it time.. and this will slowly become one of the best skylines of Europe (In my opinion).

Liverpoll has got a pretty nice skyline for a city like itself. I give it a 7/10.

7/10
Such an improvement can be seen in Liverpool. Tall buildings getting planned for all over the city, expanding to what will be a very wide skyline.

Top marks! No other British city can boast a skyscraper that's nearly 100 years old!

old school; 9.5/10.

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6/10

Nice. But very British.

last photo kicks ass!! 7.0

Exquisite city, but very British
skyline average

and therefore I let 7,5/10

Looks good. 7.5/10

I agree. 7.5/10!

Taken by Juxtapol:-


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The last photo is great, a lot has changed since I was last there! It will look great with a few more towers in there. 9/10

For an English city, it's amazing - I think it's worth at least a 7.5

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7/10

A few recent pics from the European Capital of culture
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6/10

note also that the third picture shows the second picture under construction

6.5/10

6.5/10

5/10

Liverpool, a city thats had it fair share of bad luck over the last 2 decades is bouncing back with bold an ambitious projects that are UNDER CONSTRUCTION rather than just pie in the sky!

Please find attached some images of the city's ideas, as well as the city today, along with video diaries of the citys rich history and new development to date.

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http://onfinite.com/libraries/1057449/12d.jpg

Take a look at this website for more images: (dave wood)

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and:

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/v/liverpool/west-tower-aa14770b.jpg.html

Or take a look at the vid links attached from scouseyuppie design and production.

Dont need to say anymore really, except Liverpool is on the march!

Enjoy:cheers:

Beautiful architecture.. 8/10

8/10

Without doubt it belongs with London and Edinburgh among the 3 most handsome big cities in the UK.

Liverpool is a real city with real history reflected in its skyline. The view from the Mersey of the line of buildings on the docks is the single best urban view in Britain outside London and arguably inclusive of London.

Class and real. It's an 8.5.

little skyline, but beautiful city: 8/10

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It's certainly getting there.. can hardly go wrong mind with the graces.. I can't wait to see the future talls going up and then Liverpool will have a kick ass waterfront..

sure its not that high but i think it looks superb. 9/10

7/10

What Liverpool is guaranteed some U/C right now and some ready to be built plus a few things missing as its out of date already and also a lot of stuff being proposed :banana:

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I expected more, but still not to bad. 6/10

Without doubt it belongs with London and Edinburgh among the 3 most handsome big cities in the UK.

Liverpool is a real city with real history reflected in its skyline. The view from the Mersey of the line of buildings on the docks is the single best urban view in Britain outside London and arguably inclusive of London.

Class and real. It's an 8.5.

Very good argument

Not much of a skyline. Although, I see some beautiful old buildings in there. 6/10

Silly putting Liverpool here before Beetham West is completed. It would greatly improve the skyline, so should have waited a few months before it's at full height and cladded... but Liverpool still looks great! And will be much better by 2008

Nice city but not a nice skyline. Although it looks promising. 6.5

Much more modern then I expected! 8/10

7.5/10

Interesting. One of the UK's better skylines, love the old buildings, still, far from memorable. 5/10

city seems very cool......skyline not much..i give it 6.5/10

I like Liverpool and definitely hope to visit it someday in the nearby future. 9/10

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Higher resolution http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8217/zwaterfrontpano222mc8.jpg

7/10...:cheers:

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Pic by Adman in the Liverpol Forum

4.5/10

7/10 - Only 2 pics impressed me, and judging by the best one, I gav it what I gave it :D

4.5/10

from flickr:
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This one by Adman (from this forum).

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Capital of Culture 2008:banana:

7/10

8/10. Its getting better very quickly.

6/10

6/10

3 its bad!

Not bad from a European standpoint. Can't really compare it to North American and Asian cities.I guess this should be 6.5. More vertical density is required.

new skyline pics by adman

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WoW Liverpool looks beautifull!!

Its a poor skyline it reminds me of perth the way its all in one line but perth is miles a head.But liverpool never used to have a skyline so i guess il give it a fair score 7.5

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7/10


This city is becoming increasingly attractive.
Belle skyline view of the sea

pretty poor skyline. Its only redeeming quality is its proximity to water.

5/10

7/10, nicely sha[ped

5/10 - The skyline is good, but far from being brilliant. Hopefully Liverpools new projects will enhance its skyline even more.

some snaps from earlier tonight :cheers:

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Pics from Yoshef

Surprising good. Does anyone has photo of future skyline?

nice nice nice, i'm sure this is going to be one of the greatest "european" skylines... i'd like to know, how it'll look like in 10 or 20 years.

7/10 :applause:

I went to Liverpool 1 year ago and I liked it 7/10

is this one (by richp86 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richardpeel/)) even better than that last one?

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Another stunner!

i like liverpool a lot for me liverpool has the second most impresive skyline in the UK after London :cheers:

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Thanks to Yoshef for posting

Great pictures showing Liverpool's rennaisance!

Another stunner!

love it

7/10

8,5/10

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Courtesy of yoshef

8/10

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6/10

The waterfront skyline is a great mix of old and new! 7.5/10

A nice skyline for the city of the Reds!! 9/10

8/10

Nice! 8/10

8/10

even though it's very small, the skyline looks very nice.

7/10

7/10

8. Good. Regards.

7/10

7/10

8,5/10

Love the waterfront skyline! Just some more tall buildings and it will look perfect! 9/10 for now.

Seven out of ten I do like it though overall excluding the size.

I´m really impressed with how great the skyline of Liverpool looks now! :cheers:

8/10

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If this were the first picture posted ratings would be so much higher, it looks great :)

10/10 :nuts:

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Great :drool:...

great.... growing.........7/10

6/10

5/10

9/10

9/10

Here's a fantastic image by kebabman (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/member.php?u=167323)

I love Liverpool's skyline from here.

Scroll!>>>

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Amazing pic above!!

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7.5/10

6/10 needs a couple of taller buildings.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22992078@N02/5524675184/in/pool-52242121198@N01/
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/sconway/with/5539292395/
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Little update here! :banana:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5171/5539292395_eab8074eb6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sconway/5539292395/)
Liverpool-Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sconway/5539292395/) by scon4061 (http://www.flickr.com/people/sconway/), on Flickr

6/10

much better than the last time I saw this skyline. Still a long way off world leading skylines, therefore I have to give it a 5/10

I think Liverpool has such as really good skyline by European standard and it's population (435,500 people) even when you compared it to other mega and capital cities like Madrid, Oslo, Helsinki, or even the German capital Belin, you will realise good this little town's skyline is :)

Liverpool have came from a long way to have a better skyline and it paid off. What those last pictures you posted reveal is a skyline looking taller, densier and amazingly beautiful.......:cheers:

8/10

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7.5/10
nice modest skyline, long-haired lover.

I don't get it, why people in SSC always vote The Hague as europes best secondtier Skyline. Liverpool is the better one 7/10

7/10

Beautiful metropolis. I really like...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6123/5936477105_06ff243ee6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/corky100/5936477105/)
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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6020/5913480236_17df2201a5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/5913480236/)
by Lee Carus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/5913480236/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5104/5884562653_f3a0e47d44_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebaker/5884562653/)
by [url=http://www.flickr.com/people/davebaker/]dave-baker (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davebaker/5884562653/)

Nice maritime flair and some quality highrises

7/10

5/10

ermm.... a little bit small.... 7 of 10

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5294/5684990467_e1b8bdd48b_b.jpg
originally posted by MR KITE

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Still got a long way to go.

5/10

8/10

Not that bad actually. Some of the towers look really nice.

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Liverpool

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7.5/10

7.5

It looks very balanced.

Liverpool

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by Ste Mc (http://www.flickr.com/people/djmacca/)

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by Antoni Ferguson (http://www.flickr.com/people/himynameisant1/)


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6768141889_e146e925b1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/6768141889/)
Just Liverpool (http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_caruso/6768141889/) by Lee Carus (http://www.flickr.com/people/el_caruso/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5171/5539292395_eab8074eb6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sconway/5539292395/)
Liverpool-Panorama (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sconway/5539292395/) by scon4061 (http://www.flickr.com/people/sconway/), on Flickr

9/10. Amazing.

7/10

Liverpool

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5206/5373443607_92f1bf2694_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16751243@N07/5373443607/)
Liverpool skyline appears out of the mist with a big kiss (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16751243@N07/5373443607/) by thewolfe(jim) (http://www.flickr.com/people/16751243@N07/), on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5042/5230337060_5a97077ce9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stlmike/5230337060/)
Liverpool (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stlmike/5230337060/) by Ango82 (http://www.flickr.com/people/stlmike/), on Flickr

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6218/6289284224_4a41e2a9fb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cvspics/6289284224/)
Liverpool Waterfront with the Queen Elizabeth (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cvspics/6289284224/) by The Image Maker (http://www.flickr.com/people/cvspics/), on Flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2469/3776291083_335a2e7922_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwong2009/3776291083/)
Liverpool Waterfront (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffwong2009/3776291083/) by Jeff Wong2009 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jeffwong2009/), on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3514/3177085466_36d8b0c4bb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31713656@N06/3177085466/)
Liverpool Skyline at night (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31713656@N06/3177085466/) by xChudy (http://www.flickr.com/people/31713656@N06/), on Flickr

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1203/1109805208_06ca7a8f50_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richardlowkes/1109805208/)
Liverpool Panorama III (http://www.flickr.com/photos/richardlowkes/1109805208/) by RichardLowkes (http://www.flickr.com/people/richardlowkes/), on Flickr

6/10

7.5 from me. a great skyline, with historic and iconic buildings, as well as the modern highrises, balanced very well. the waterfront view is definately it's crown jewel, one of the top 15 in europe definately, with some great projects on the table.

will need greater height, density and volume in future to achieve hogher scores. but proposals of large developments inc. skyscrapers, if they get off the ground, could serve liverpool well in future. with the waterfront view, it has massive potential, on top of its current good status :)