-RULES to include a project on the list -

1) Can only be listed those projects that are REALLY U/C, and should have an image that prooves that, otherwise it won´t be accepted on the list, the image must show a fair enough advance, at least must be on excavation phase, minimun requirement (of this list) to consider under construction.

2) You must have official information about the buildings height or at least a well fundamented estimate (based on blueprints or plans).

3) Minimun height is 200m.

4) When it is an "estimated height" the symbol ~ will appear before the height.



List of tallest skyscrapers UNDER CONSTRUCTION in Latin America | + 200m



Updated: 06/05/08


1. Los Faros de Panamá (Central Tower) | Panama City | 85f | 346m | 2011
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5461/noche1sq7.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2581765330_b2bd3cc2d6_b.jpg


2. Gran Costanera Tower | Santiago de Chile | 60f | 300m | 2010
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1064/537699612_0609ef5591_o.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6396/dsc05479lb7.jpg


3. Trump Ocean Club | Panama City | 68f | 287m | 2010
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1047/trumpnh6.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2580947317_1bde973b75_b.jpg


4. Vitri Tower| Panama City | 281m | 2010
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6923/vitriwh2.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/pcruz_2007/proyectoa%20ya%20en%20const/P1000014.jpg




5. The Point | Panama City | 67f | 275m | 2009
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/950/thepointtw9.jpg
http://www.photospanama.com/fotos/the_point_panama.jpg


6. Arts-Yoo Tower| Panama City | 265m | 2010
http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh258/Venez_Pana_7/art_r6_c2.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2055/2479178100_8c6920d94b_o.jpg


7. Tower Financial Center | Panama City | 255m | 2010
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1339/537831363_0184915919_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3172/2523125443_e4b1150727_b.jpg


8. Q Tower | Panama City | ~250m | 2011
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5544/qtowerjs9.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2413972789_658432f458_b.jpg


9. Ocean Two | Panama City | 70f | 246m | 2009
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2593/oceantwoly8.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6746/p1070297wy8.jpg


10. Revolution Tower | Panama City | 54f | 243m | 2011
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1589/revloutionjf9.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u236/pcruz_2007/proyectoa%20ya%20en%20const/P1000393.jpg


11. Pearl Tower | Panama City | 70f | 242m | 2009
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/4326/pearlub1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2581764720_d87e5593dc_b.jpg


12. Megápolis - tower 1- | Panama City | 63f | ~240m | 2010
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9780/01vk6.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2465499669_1c280dd416_b.jpg


13. Waters Tower | Panama City | 69f | 232m | 2010
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/5217/watafx0.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/2465511495_65b7b35568_b.jpg


14. Star Bay Tower | Panama City | ~220m | 2010
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w12/pcruz_236/renders%20de%20proyectos/starbayice.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3187/2466329150_f502280856_b.jpg


15. Aqualina | Panama City | 210m | 2008
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/5185/aquatx1.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2581778074_d23dde1851_b.jpg


16. Yatch Club Tower | Panama City | 210m | 2009
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3683/yachtclubbk9.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2250/2580960829_d8d5ba0b8c_b.jpg



17. Ocean One | Panama City | 208m | 2008
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1434/oceanbt2.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/4089/o14ej1.jpg

Muy buena lista, pero oye, te falto una

- TORRE REFORMA -

a) Localización. Paseo de la Reforma 483 (a unos metros de Torre Mayor :cheers:)
b) Altura (mts). 244.00 mts
c) Altura (pisos). 57 Niveles + Planta Baja
d) Arquitecto(s). LBR Arquitectos
e) Status. En Construcción (2008-2011).

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5380/torrereformaiq8dd2.jpg


http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3940/torrereformaac2.jpg

No, esa torre aún no ha iniciado construcción, están en fase de preparación del terreno, cuando estén por lo menos en excavación será agregada a a lista, saludos
No, this tower is not U/C yet, is in the preparation phase, when it reaches at least excavation phase it will be added to the list, I´m very aware of this tower and keeping a close eye to it´s development, greetings

2008 is the year that the Panamanian building bubble will crash.

Your economy and Per capita income is too small for million dollar condos in the sky.

Fueld by pure speculation.

Get out while you can.

2008 is the year that the Panamanian building bubble will crash.

Your economy and Per capita income is too small for million dollar condos in the sky.

Fueld by pure speculation.

Get out while you can.

LOL, you really don´t have a clue of what you are talking about, it has been more than five years since the inmobilliary boom began and there are no signs of slowing down or bursting, our economy has grown more than any other economy in the continent for the past two years, and this year is predicted to grow even more, every day more and more people come to live in Panama because of it´s multiple advantages over other countries in the continent including US, and that´s what´s keeping this boom, we are kicking ass right now, and there are always envy people who can´t accept to see progress on a small under development country, but anyways you should search for other sources because you are getting wrong info my friend, :cheers:

^^ Let that guy talk :lol:, But you forgot Megapolis Tower 1. 340m 89fl U/C ;) Nice thread :)

^^ Let that guy talk :lol:, But you forgot Megapolis Tower 1. 340m 89fl U/C ;) Nice thread :)

I took it out because from a good source I was informed that this building is not U/C yet, only the smallest tower for the moment, sadly, :bash:

Amazing the number of buildings under construction in Panama. Its a real boom. I imagine that all of them was designed for a wet and tropical weather.

Amazing the number of buildings under construction in Panama. Its a real boom. I imagine that all of them was designed for a wet and tropical weather.

That´s correct, many of these projects have bet on the use of ecologic or green energy that reduce consumption of electricity and at the same time keeps the building fresh, beginning from the type of glass of the windows all the way to solar panels on the roof like Los Faros de Panamá.

Nice to see that Latinamerica is beginning to look at the skies. First Panamá, and we surely know that other countries will join too (Rep. Dominicana, México, Colombia, etc). Is just a matter of time.

Anyway, to me Costanera Center is the most beautiful building in Latinamerica. I simple love it :D But I also love the Waters and the Q tower :drool:

Go Panama! Many of my friends are thinking about or have already been there! I just hope the economy grows as a whole.
I'm already including it in my plans for when all these building are complete!

¿El thread es para las torres de LA o sólo de Panamá? :lol:

Interesting thread. And as someone who know Singapore reasonably well in the S.E.A. context it was interesting to think about Panama playing a similar role in C.A.

And there's a 50/50 chance the next US president will be a person who was born there BTW.

very nice projects............my favourite ............the gran costanera tower in Santiago

More projects are beggining construction in latin america very soon:

El Faro 280m Medellín, Colombia
Torre Reforma 244m D.F. Mexico (already in preparation of the zone)
Torre Anacaona 300m Dominican Republic
All this towers could be added to the list in a matter of days or weeks.

Panamá is WOW!!!

i think Gran Costanera construction seems quite slow... or is that an old pic?

Panamá is WOW!!!

i think Gran Costanera construction seems quite slow... or is that an old pic?

The pic is like two weeks old

GREAT THREAD DR_DRUMS, PANAMA IS ROCKING LATAM,LOL.

I took it out because from a good source I was informed that this building is not U/C yet, only the smallest tower for the moment, sadly, :bash:

Hmm, on the latest construction pics it looks like there are 2 towers U/C.. :dunno:

Hmm, on the latest construction pics it looks like there are 2 towers U/C.. :dunno:

Well I used to think that also, but now I have information that they are only building one, let´s wait a few weeks and probably we will be more sure about it

So amazing how Panama City builds...even though it is still such a poor country, it builds like first world cities. Is it because of it being a tax haven? All polititians from Brazil have bank accounts there...LOL

Hum, basically a Panama Construction Thread! :lol: Okay there ist still Mexico City and Santiago... ;)

So amazing how Panama City builds...even though it is still such a poor country, it builds like first world cities. Is it because of it being a tax haven? All polititians from Brazil have bank accounts there...LOL

Panama is poor? :lol: Where did you get that bright information from? It is one of the most developed countries in Lain America along with Chile and Uruguay! :nuts::lol:

So amazing how Panama City builds...even though it is still such a poor country, it builds like first world cities. Is it because of it being a tax haven? All polititians from Brazil have bank accounts there...LOL

It´s still a poor country (not like "such a poor country"), but is growing faster than any other economy (above 11%) on the continent, Panama City is been seeing as the Capital of Latin America, a very cosmopolitan city, with first world infrastructure. Maybe the whole country is not developed but there are certain areas inside the city that have nothing to envy to big developed cities as New York, Chicago, or Sao Paulo (the touristic area I mean), London, Miami, etc.

It´s still a poor country (not like "such a poor country"), but is growing faster than any other economy (above 11%) on the continent, Panama City is been seeing as the Capital of Latin America, a very cosmopolitan city, with first world infrastructure. Maybe the whole country is not developed but there are certain areas inside the city that have nothing to envy to big developed cities as New York, Chicago, or Sao Paulo (the touristic area I mean), London, Miami, etc.

Sao Paulo is the odd man out. It is NOT a developed city! Panama is surely more developed...

Panama is the New York of Latin america!!!

unico hotel in buenos aires +200 mt

home page:

http://www.unicohotels.net/

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1467/unicolm5.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unicolm5.jpg)

What are theheights of the neighbouring towers?

Sao Paulo is the odd man out. It is NOT a developed city! Panama is surely more developed...

I know is not developed, but certain areas of the city look like that, I mean the touristic sites look very good with all the services a mayor class city of the world could offer, but you´re right we can´t call that a developed city if is not the whole city, Panama has a long way to go also, but as you said is on the race to be developed and in Latin America is the fastest growing economy.

Tourist sites??? Sao Paulo may have some business sites. But tourist??? Or do you mean Rio? :lol:

Panama City is been seeing as the Capital of Latin America.

Yeah!!, since when??? :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

C'mon, Latinos, unite!
We all should be happy with our own development!:banana:

Since when is Panama's development the development of whole Latin America??? :nuts:

muchos respetos for panama:okay:

Since many decades ago. Maybe you are young, but just FYI while most of the Latin American countries were in the middle of huge economic crisis, dictatorships (not that we were not:) and poverty, Panama was stable the most develop business center in LATAM, was the main Banking System of the whole region (even today Panama's banking systems is highly sophisticated, I know because I am a banker I have worked in NYC, Sao Paolo and Dubai) and Panama has nothing to ask from those banking centers (maybe better salaries:):):)

For many years immigrants from all over the world went to Panama to develop businesses there from Europeans, to jewish from Europe, to Arabs, to Chinese. Why? because it was the most stable economy, mainly for being dollarized. Of course, Panama is small, in population the smallest country in LATAM if I am not wrong, and quite honestly I don't think the Goverments of Panama in the past have been the best at taking full advantage of the full potential Panama has, but I do consider that for the size, the fact that Panama is a poor country that does not get easy money (i.e. selling oil for example) makes even more respectable the development the country is having (be it huge, or be it small) To the Panamanian, I just have to say that to reach a "developed" status we need to work harder, particularly in education (which is not bad, is actually good) but to be developed you have to be closer to excellence!!! Saludos!!!!

:? LATIN AMERICA Projects & Construction Over 200m???..!!! >(

This indeed is another thread of Panama City! :bleep:

PANAMÁ CITY | Projects & Construction
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=603867

Yes, but it is only Panama, Mexico City and Santiago with such buildings u/c...

:? LATIN AMERICA Projects & Construction Over 200m???..!!! >(

This indeed is another thread of Panama City! :bleep:

PANAMÁ CITY | Projects & Construction
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=603867


I agree.

Just another excuse to show off.

Just name what the thread really is. :cheers:

Great height but why do they have to make such U-G-L-Y towers in Panama City? At least I'm happy to see that the nasty "fruit bowl tower" was canceled. :ohno:

I agree.

Just another excuse to show off.

Just name what the thread really is. :cheers:

This thread shows every building in the WHOLE latin amercia UNDER CONSTRUCTION above 200m, is not my fault that probably there is just one for the moment in Mexico, (that hasn´t even started yet).
This thread shows the reality we are living in Latin America, and yes, Panama owns the list, but that´s not my problem, this list is very objetive and shows true data of the construction status in Latin America, is not my fault if in your country there´s not such a skyscraper boom like in Panama for the moment.
Besides this list is different from other because this one only shows U/C towers, not projects that may or may not be approved. greetings

Panama is the Capital City of Latin America???, Yeah!!, since when??? :lol:
maybe you are not so well informed, this may help you I think
Since a couple of years many tourist and business magazines are claiming Panama City to be the new Capital of Latin America, for example:

http://www.panamainfo.com/en/panama-new-business-capital-americas

Since when is Panama's development the development of whole Latin America??? :nuts:

This only shows that our countries are growing and building higher skyscrapers than before, right now Panama is the one building more, that's undeniable, but there are many projects that are beggining construction very soon in Colombia, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Brasil, Chile, Argentina, so my purpose is keeping this list updated with all the projects coming, I think is important to know what´s the status of Latin America in terms of skyscrapers construction at the moment, I find it very interesting.

Tourist sites??? Sao Paulo may have some business sites. But tourist??? Or do you mean Rio? :lol:

No, I mean Sao Paulo, in the past few years Sao Paulo´s government has tried to introduce this city to the world as a tourist friendly, cosmpolitan, very culturized city, with museums, world class restaurants, luxury hotels, etc, even has a commercial that you can see on cable tv were all this I´m telling you appears,
http://www.cidadedesaopaulo.com/ingles/index_eng.asp
so yes, it has tourist sites, and also business sites.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=fWd1DXjBsmI

Not too long ago Uncle Sam decided to invade and remove a CIA Stooge that ran this place....my have times changed.

Great height but why do they have to make such U-G-L-Y towers in Panama City? At least I'm happy to see that the nasty "fruit bowl tower" was canceled. :ohno:

That´s just your opinion my friend, I don´t find them ugly at all, I think they are very unconventional, different from the typical highrises, skyscrapers of other countries, because most of them are designed by panamanian arquitects have a Unique style that differenciates them from the rest of the world, and that makes them very special, I love the Trump Ocean Club, and Los Faros de Panama is very nice also, besides this are only renders, sometimes the render can make the building look better, but based on the experience I had, the buildings here in Panama look much more prettier when they are finished than in the renders.

:? LATIN AMERICA Projects & Construction Over 200m???..!!! >(

This indeed is another thread of Panama City! :bleep:

PANAMÁ CITY | Projects & Construction
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=603867

That thread shows both projects and construction, and is not above 200m, this thread only includes U/C, and will include in the future all other U/C above 200m coming soon from other latin american countries. But you are right in something, for the moment Panama rules the list, I know that will change in the future, don´t get angry, is not my fault,:cheers:

Not too long ago Uncle Sam decided to invade and remove a CIA Stooge that ran this place....my have times changed.

Indeed my friend, indeed

So your source is Panamainfo??

:lol: :lol: :hilarious

are you really so chauvinist???? There's no 'capital of latinamerica' :nuts:

That´s just your opinion my friend, I don´t find them ugly at all, I think they are very unconventional, different from the typical highrises, skyscrapers of other countries, because most of them are designed by panamanian arquitects have a Unique style that differenciates them from the rest of the world, and that makes them very specia

They are "unique" I will give you that. And you are also right, we would not see this "unique" buildings (this tall) anywhere else in the world. We can all agree on this =P

True that there is no Capital in Latin America, but if there were the most obvious choice would be Panama given its fast economic development, central geographic position and long-established reputation as a world-class business and trade center. True also, that the Panama has a long way to go to be considered a developed country, true also that compared to most latin american countries it is way ahead, and has way more potential!!!!!!!!!

They are "unique" I will give you that. And you are also right, we would not see this "unique" buildings (this tall) anywhere else in the world. We can all agree on this =P

Whatever Christian.. this thread is too cocky.

One day.. when Latin American towers reach the 198.5 meters, the 98% of the windows and the 99% of the lamps we will be allowed (probably) to post here.

:crazy:

not to say anything but out of all of those buildings, i like the one from Santiago, even though Panama has a lot more, they look too much alike, but its still nice to see some new tall buildings in Latin America, i didn't know about the tower next to Torre Mayor in Mexico City, that will look great next to each other and create a better cluster of towers along Paseo de la Reforma!!

So your source is Panamainfo??

:lol: :lol: :hilarious

are you really so chauvinist???? There's no 'capital of latinamerica' :nuts:

And you are so childish to take it literal???, a few years ago Miami was referred as the Capital of Latin America even if it was in the US, that doesn´t mean is really the capital. Is just an "expression", in terms of being a city were many investments are made right now in Latin America, is not like is really THE Capital. That information is based on true facts, is you don´t want to believe me I really don´t care, is not my problem that the chauvinist is being other that can't handle this info.

Whatever Christian.. this thread is too cocky.

One day.. when Latin American towers reach the 198.5 meters, the 98% of the windows and the 99% of the lamps we will be allowed (probably) to post here.

:crazy:

No, you won´t, because you need to be above 200m, sorry, rules are rules.

So your source is Panamainfo??

:lol: :lol: :hilarious

are you really so chauvinist???? There's no 'capital of latinamerica' :nuts:

Here is another page, from Boston, not Panama, that says the same, is not fake man, accept this, is happening, it won´t hurt you, Panama is booming nobody can denie it.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2006/12/27/panama_on_the_rise/
I suggest you read the entire article.

Whatever Christian.. this thread is too cocky.

One day.. when Latin American towers reach the 198.5 meters, the 98% of the windows and the 99% of the lamps we will be allowed (probably) to post here.

:crazy:

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*unique=ugly

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*unique=ugly

lol, you really have nothing else to say, that´s ok, what´s important is that this thread is causing reactions, and that´s a good thing.

Man, i could find thousands of articles saying that the 'capital of latinamerica' is Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo or Mexico DF... so please don't be so nationalist and chauvinist... And besides Panama is very far of having the development of other cities in latinamerica and other countries also!!!!....
All those extremely ugly buildings don't say nothing to me... I mean, is like saying Dubai is more important than New York or London just beacause it has hundreds of tall ugly buildings... :lol:

Man, i could find thousands of articles saying that the 'capital of latinamerica' is Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo or Mexico DF... so please don't be so nationalist and chauvinist... And besides Panama is very far of having the development of other cities in latinamerica and other countries also!!!!....
All those extremely ugly buildings don't say nothing to me... I mean, is like saying Dubai is more important than New York or London just beacause it has hundreds of tall ugly buildings... :lol:

Well I don´t really care if they say something to you or not, or if they are ugly to you, is not my intention to impress you, just to document the construction status of latin america at this moment, right now Panama is having it´s moment, and that´s undeniable (if the buildings are ugly, that´s just a matter of taste), and yes there are more developed cities in Latin America at the moment, but non of this cities are growing at the pace Panama is growing right now, and that´s what I´m talking about, I´m not talking about who is more developed or wich city is better, and no, I´m not chauvinist, I´m a patriot that´s undeniable, but I´m just giving information (and I didn´t made it up), if that´s a problem to you, and is so hard to believe, then don´t enter this thread anymore.

True is that Panama is far for being the best city in Latin America and also having the best development in the world, but as a seasoned Investment Banker/Economist I am (NYC, Sao Paulo, Dubai, now Abu Dhabi) Man for a country the size of Panama, undeniable poor (as compared to similar booming places: i.e. Dubai, Qatar, China, etc), undeniably the boom and development that Panama has had through many decades and particularly in the last 5 years it is just UNVELIBABLE, AMAZING! and if you were to do a fair scale considering GDP/population, non-reliance in foreign talent then Panama would easily beat places such as Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and the like. These places have much better developments and projects, but man..those people don't do anything for those projects, they "buy" the brains from abroad (including mine:) with easy money, they don't input even talent, they get money basically for free with all this huge increase in oil prices, if they were in the same situation as Panama, I can assure you they would not even have a 30-story building, because they lack what Panama has in abundance: talent and hard work! I am sorry if I sound a bit chauvinist but I just think that what Panama has reached alone ( now proving wrong all those jealous Latin American countries that were all the time saying that Panama had been stable and relatively rich due to the US-help, which was never fully true btw!, what do you have to say now? the Americans left Panama and we are much better off, how come if were supposed to be dependant on their help to even survive? What do you have to say now?????????????

Just for the record, the biggest compilation of >>projects and construction<< in Mexico City by 2012

Reforma Av.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/gabrielbabb/buenanl0.jpg

Panama is poor? :lol: Where did you get that bright information from? It is one of the most developed countries in Lain America along with Chile and Uruguay! :nuts::lol:



"Although Panama is also the 3rd largest economy in Central America, after Guatemala and Costa Rica, it has the largest expenditure on resource consumption, making the country the largest consumer in Central America" - From Wikipedia :cheers:

Sao Paulo is the odd man out. It is NOT a developed city! Panama is surely more developed...


São Paulo is the 19th richest city of the world and is expected to be the 13th richest in 2020.[28] According to data of IBGE, its Gross domestic product (GDP) in 2005 was R$ 263,177,148,000.00 (US$ 156,280,780,941.00), equivalent to approximately 12.26% of the Brazilian GDP and 36% of all production of goods and services of the State of São Paulo.[29]

One of the biggest financial centres of Brazil and the world, São Paulo's economy is going through a deep transformation. Once a city with a strong industrial character, São Paulo's economy has become increasingly based on the tertiary sector, focusing on services and businesses for the country.

Many analysts point to São Paulo as an important global city, even though this assignment can be criticized considering its serious problems of social exclusion and spacial segregation.[30] Although being the most important financial centre of the country, São Paulo's economy also presents a high degree of informality.[31]

The São Paulo Stock Exchange (BM&F Bovespa) is Brazil's official stock and bonds exchange. The BM&F Bovespa is the largest stock exchange in Latin America and third largest in the world.[32]

The GDP for the city was R$ 263,177,148,000 (2005).[33]

The per capita income for the city was R$ 24,083 (2005).[34]

from Wikipedia - :cheers:


If Sao Paulo was a country in CENTRAL AMERICA, it would be the richest, and I am just talking about the city of Sao Paulo, not the state. :)

You can be proud of your small country because it is growing and building cool buildings, but saying that Panama is the capital of LATIN AMERICA is nonsense. Maybe the capital of CENTRAL AMERICA.

And you are so childish to take it literal???, a few years ago Miami was referred as the Capital of Latin America even if it was in the US, that doesn´t mean is really the capital. Is just an "expression", in terms of being a city were many investments are made right now in Latin America, is not like is really THE Capital. That information is based on true facts, is you don´t want to believe me I really don´t care, is not my problem that the chauvinist is being other that can't handle this info.

How arrogant can we latinamericans be? For sure, Panama is having a nice development last years but It does not make it a first world country and It definetly don't make the Panama City latinamerica capital city... but if someday Bolivars dream come true I'm 100% sure that the capital would be Sao Paulo or maybe Buenos Aires but sure not Panama City.

I recomend you panameños just to enjoy your growth not tring to look better, cuz you are not.

lol, you really have nothing else to say, that´s ok, what´s important is that this thread is causing reactions, and that´s a good thing.

you are right... I am not sure if you want me to elaborate or expand on what I have said already. Help me here.

you are right... I am not sure if you want me to elaborate or expand on what I have said already. Help me here.

You are on your own, sorry

How arrogant can we latinamericans be? For sure, Panama is having a nice development last years but It does not make it a first world country and It definetly don't make the Panama City latinamerica capital city... but if someday Bolivars dream come true I'm 100% sure that the capital would be Sao Paulo or maybe Buenos Aires but sure not Panama City.

I recomend you panameños just to enjoy your growth not tring to look better, cuz you are not.

Well right now, that´s the way many magazines are seeing Panama as, the new discovery of Latin America, I´m not talking of first world, we are still far away from it , I think this only has to do with the boom and the hype Panama is having, I just don´t understand why some people get so angry with a comment based on what a magazine has to say about Panama, is only a comment is not the absolute true, or is degrading to other Latin American cities, is just the way some people (investors) are seeing the city right now, if you only read the article you will now what is the real meaning when Panama is called the new Capital of Latin America, is just the title of an article talking about the advantages of Panama, and that´s it, is like saying is the new city were many eyes are looking at, that´s all, not to think it will reallly become or is the REAL capital of Latin America, because that city doesn´t even exist, some people just don´t get it, that´s a shame to misintereprate this comments, and to think we are showing off or something, is just sad let me tell you, and is not the intention of this thread, but if you see the comments all ofensive comments come from other Latin forumers, that´s just very awful. :ohno:

Well right now, that´s the way many magazines are seeing Panama as, the new discovery of Latin America, I´m not talking of first world, we are still far away from it , I think this only has to do with the boom and the hype Panama is having, I just don´t understand why some people get so angry with a comment based on what a magazine has to say about Panama, is only a comment is not the absolute true, or is degrading to other Latin American cities, is just the way some people (investors) are seeing the city right now, if you only read the article you will now what is the real meaning when Panama is called the new Capital of Latin America, is just the title of an article talking about the advantages of Panama, and that´s it, is like saying is the new city were many eyes are looking at, that´s all, not to think it will reallly become or is the REAL capital of Latin America, because that city doesn´t even exist, some people just don´t get it, that´s a shame to misintereprate this comments, and to think we are showing off or something, is just sad let me tell you, and is not the intention of this thread, but if you see the comments all ofensive comments come from other Latin forumers, that´s just very awful. :ohno:

Did you write your signature? It says Panamá 2020 First World Country and "King Of Heights" in all Latin America.

Is nice to enjoy this projects, because if some of them were built in my city I would be completely amazed and showing off... but you are saing that you are the best while the truth is that you are not even close to be the best. Remember some years ago when Panama wasn't so famouse even for latinamericans, "A Kingdom cannot be build in 10, 20 or 30 years, It takes time" and so many countries in America have lot more time building a Kingdom like Colombia, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Chile and more.

Don't lose the focus :ohno:

Did you write your signature? It says Panamá 2020 First World Country and "King Of Heights" in all Latin America.

Is nice to enjoy this projects, because if some of them were built in my city I would be completely amazed and showing off... but you are saing that you are the best while the truth is that you are not even close to be the best. Remember some years ago when Panama wasn't so famouse even for latinamericans, "A Kingdom cannot be build in 10, 20 or 30 years, It takes time" and so many countries in America have lot more time building a Kingdom like Colombia, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Chile and more.

Don't lose the focus :ohno:

Is just a signature man, that doesn`t mean is going to happen in 12 years, I`m not Nostradamus, but neither you, maybe it could happen in 20 or 30 years, for example Singapore wasn`t developed in the 60`s, and is now considered a developed country, and you are right at something, a Kingdom can`t be build in 10 or 30 years, but we didn`t start now, as any other country underdevelopment, the process started many decades ago.
Is just a way to be positive, don`t make such a big deal of what my signature says, I think is not bad to think your country could be developed at some moment in the future, I couldn`t be more focused on what I want for my country, and what problems need to be solved in order to take us to the first world, maybe you should do the same for your country instead of complaining so much for what I think about mine.
Oh and one more thing, nobody is saying that Panama is the best country ever, (you are interpreting that), I'm just saying that is having it's moment, and if my signature says "king of heights", this just represents the phenomenon we are seeing right now, I don`t know in 2020 who is going to have the highest skyscrapers, neither you, It could be Panama or it could be any other Latin country, but what's true is that having the highest buildings doesn't mean a country is better than other, I know that, I hope you too,
because it seems that's what you think, not me.

Mi amigo! It seems you are either young, or did not ready my prior post in which I mentioned that Panama for many DECADES AGO has been perhaps the most relevant business and trade center in Latin America. I remember two decades ago when most of the countries of LATAM were just "F*%&$ with high inflation, wars, extreme poverty (including the now so called "more developed" Chile, Mexico and Brazil) Panama was way more stable as opposed to them, people, companies from all over the world coming to invest and live in Panama because of the USD and peace, not to mention the beauty of the country! So IT IS NOT NOW THAT PANAMA IS FAMOUS! How about when the Panama Canal was build! which city in LATAM do you think was the focus in the world? YOU ARE SO RIGHT..in the sense that now FOR THE SAME REASON: THE EXPANSION OF THE PANAMA CANAL... The country once again is resounding all over the WORLD.

I live in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, and can tell you....even here....the arabs and your compatriotas...ONLY COME TO ME..TO EXPRESS ME HOW IMPRESS THEY ARE OF PANAMA DEVELOPMENT AND REAL ESTATE BOOM (the RE boom is certainly new and has surprised even myself)....

But don't get me wrong my friend, and I have told people in the Panama's forum to keep their feet on the ground and don't loose focus as you said! They are many better cities than Panama, I agree Sao Paolo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, and many of the Colombian cities...in regards to culture and perhaps an nicer weather, but talking strictly about business....PANAMA has the best potential...and it is FRUSTRATING to see that the Panamanian government has not fully exploited that potential...PANAMA IS SO EASY TO SELL..AND THEY BASICALLY SCREWING IT (The Government)..as either they are selling it too cheap, or just to the wrong investors!

I do think (and please..I am thinking as professional investor, which I am)..that Panama, given it's gepgraphical position (in the very middle of both south and north and Atlantic and Pacific, plus a long-established reputation as a busienss/banking/shipping center (gained for more than a century) is the best place to establish A LATIN AMERICAN BUSINESS HUB!, which Panama already it is to a certain extent..but it could do SO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE POINT: PANAMA HAS BEEN FAMOUS IN THE BUSINESS, AND EVEN REAL ESTATE FIELD FOR MANY YEARS...(I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN..PANAMA IS A NEW PHENOMENON, YOU ARE WAY WRONG!!!!!) JUST LOOK AT THE EXISTING SKYLINE IN PANAMA CITY AND YOU WILL SEE...NOT TO MENTION THAT IN 5 YEARS..PANAMA'S SKYLINE WILL SIMPLY BE THE BEST, THE LONGEST, MORE DENSE, MODERN, MORE BEAUTIFUL TO SEE SKYLINE IN LATIN AMERICA (which it is already btw! IT IS JUST THAT IN 5-8 YERS..IT WILL BE AMAZING!...I am not necessarily saying that will have the better designed buildings, though).


Did you write your signature? It says Panamá 2020 First World Country and "King Of Heights" in all Latin America.

Is nice to enjoy this projects, because if some of them were built in my city I would be completely amazed and showing off... but you are saing that you are the best while the truth is that you are not even close to be the best. Remember some years ago when Panama wasn't so famouse even for latinamericans, "A Kingdom cannot be build in 10, 20 or 30 years, It takes time" and so many countries in America have lot more time building a Kingdom like Colombia, Argentina, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Peru, Chile and more.

Don't lose the focus :ohno:

So long as here are corrupt people in Latin America and drug dealers seeking to hide booty, a Panama will exist.

As far as a center of stability ....are we forgeting the US invasion not too long ago?

NO...WE ARE NOT FORGETTING ABOUT ANY US MILITARY ACTIONS IN PANAMA OR NORIEGA, OR DICTATORSHIP WE HAD ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO...YET......AND I REPEAT..YET..COMPARED TO MOST LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES (MAINLY THOSE THAT NOW SAY THE ARE THE BEST)..THAT WAS LIKE A BREEZE!

REGARDING YOUR COMMENT ABOUT DRUG DEALING..(I GUESS YOU ARE YOU IMPLYING THAT PANAMA'S BOOM IS THE RESULT OF MONEY LAUNDRY)...I DON'T KNOW..THAT MIGHT WELL BE THE CASE...AS IT IS IN DUBAI, OR MANY OTHER PLACES IN THE WORLD TO A CERTAIN DEGREE! But are you implying that all those investors from Spain, USA, Israel, France, UK and other countries that are establishing projects in Panama are involved in money laundry? and how about the VENEZUELAN that are currently one of the biggest groups of investors in Panama? ARE THEY ALSO CORRUPT AND INVOLVED IN MONEY LAUNDRY? OR..FINALLY ..ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL THE COLOMBIAN INVESTORS IN PANAMA ARE CORRUPTED AND INVOLVED IN MONEY LAUNDRY? (WHICH, OF COURSE CANNOT POSSIBLY BE THE CASE)?.......

The boom that is going on in Panama is the result of people appreciating a country that offers a great mix of natural beauty, safeness, good prices, strategic geographic position, great infrastructure and facilities (schools, hospitals, etc).....and a long history of immigrants coming to Panama and making it big! Just ask the Arabs, the Jewish, the Indians, the Chinese and the Americans living in Panama!

Finally, I make it clear that I am not denying that there might be instances of money laundry and corrupt Panamanians involved in all this real estate boom, but having seen SO MUCH WORST in Dubai and Abu Dhabi (where I have lived for more than 2 years)...then I feel more than comfortable with what MIGHT be going on in Panama)...

Please don't feel attacked or think that we are being arrogant (though I think you will have a very hard time trying to find a Panamanian that is not self- secure that we have a great country and that we have nothing relevant to ask even to developed countries).........it is just that is simply very suspicious that many latin American countires are always trying to bring Panama down....Common look at our size, even the size of the economy and see how much noise we are making around the world (and it's just the beginning) and rethink your position! I am sure that if it were big countries such as Brazil, Mexico and Argentina having this sort of attention that would not be a problem! but because Panama is such a small country then...it is suspicious and it is wrong!

And finally, I let you know..that the boom that Panama is having is just a fraction of what it could be! The potential is SO HUGE...that I just think that the Panamanian Goverment is just "SLOW" at marketing the country!!!!!!!! For you! :cheers:
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So long as here are corrupt people in Latin America and drug dealers seeking to hide booty, a Panama will exist.

As far as a center of stability ....are we forgeting the US invasion not too long ago?

Just one curious comment! The Capital of Latin America Sao Paulo?????? (where Spanish is not even spoken) or Buenos Aires (when they don't even want to be, or (apparently) consider themselves part of Latin America). LOL LOL LOL ..I have lived and worked in both cities...and hell..those are great cities....better than Panama in many senses...but Capital of Latin America...I don't think so!

So long as here are corrupt people in Latin America and drug dealers seeking to hide booty, a Panama will exist.

As far as a center of stability ....are we forgeting the US invasion not too long ago?

I´m tired of arguing with people like you that live in the past (in the 80's apparently), that think they know something about Panama for what they read on a novel, that can't deal with the fact that Panama has many legal reasons to invest, and if there is money laundry involved I can't neither denie it or prove it, but what I know is that is not the motor of this boom and growth of the country, and about stability, yes, Panama is very well known for having a stable and strong democracy, is really a very stable country since many years ago, Panama even abolished his army almost 2 decades ago.
Please keep it coming, I want to know what else you think about Panama, seems you love my country.

Trump Ocean Club and Pearl Tower updates (6/15/08), thx Panaboom

Trump Ocean Club
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/2580947317_1bde973b75_b.jpg

Pearl Tower
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3190/2581764720_d87e5593dc_b.jpg

Los Faros de Panamá updates (6/15/08)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3261/2581765330_b2bd3cc2d6_b.jpg

To see the renders of the buildings go to the first page of this thread.

LOL LOL LOL Just an afterthought! For many decades some jealous people were saying that Panama was dependant on the US for its subsistence! LOL LOL LOL HOW FUNNY!!! AND EMBARRASED THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE TO BE SO JEALOUS ...Now that the Americans fully left OUR COUNTRY (though US secretly always wanted Panama to be part of the US, because of the Canal and, again, OUR super strategic geographical position)...then now..the great development that we are experiencing without the Americans, and without having commodities (i.e. oil, gas, etc)..then our development is due to MONEY-LAUNDRY!! LOL LOL LOL... HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I mean Sao Paulo, in the past few years Sao Paulo´s government has tried to introduce this city to the world as a tourist friendly, cosmpolitan, very culturized city, with museums, world class restaurants, luxury hotels, etc, even has a commercial that you can see on cable tv were all this I´m telling you appears,
http://www.cidadedesaopaulo.com/ingles/index_eng.asp
so yes, it has tourist sites, and also business sites.
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=fWd1DXjBsmI

Sorry, but every mid-sized city in Euope and the US has more and better museums than Sao Paulo. And honestly, I wouldn't cross the Ocean 11,000 km to go to Sao Paulo and visit museums and restaurants (in Frankfurt, the cuisine is represented by 160 nations, Sao Paulo 55 from what I read in a city guide) when there are things that are far more interesting for European tourists like the North East, Iguazu Falls and the Amazon.... :lol: The hotels and museums may be a nice thing to go if you are there for business, but not for a tourist!!!

São Paulo is the 19th richest city of the world and is expected to be the 13th richest in 2020.[28] According to data of IBGE, its Gross domestic product (GDP) in 2005 was R$ 263,177,148,000.00 (US$ 156,280,780,941.00), equivalent to approximately 12.26% of the Brazilian GDP and 36% of all production of goods and services of the State of São Paulo.[29]

One of the biggest financial centres of Brazil and the world, São Paulo's economy is going through a deep transformation. Once a city with a strong industrial character, São Paulo's economy has become increasingly based on the tertiary sector, focusing on services and businesses for the country.

Many analysts point to São Paulo as an important global city, even though this assignment can be criticized considering its serious problems of social exclusion and spacial segregation.[30] Although being the most important financial centre of the country, São Paulo's economy also presents a high degree of informality.[31]

The São Paulo Stock Exchange (BM&F Bovespa) is Brazil's official stock and bonds exchange. The BM&F Bovespa is the largest stock exchange in Latin America and third largest in the world.[32]

The GDP for the city was R$ 263,177,148,000 (2005).[33]

The per capita income for the city was R$ 24,083 (2005).[34]

from Wikipedia - :cheers:


If Sao Paulo was a country in CENTRAL AMERICA, it would be the richest, and I am just talking about the city of Sao Paulo, not the state. :)

You can be proud of your small country because it is growing and building cool buildings, but saying that Panama is the capital of LATIN AMERICA is nonsense. Maybe the capital of CENTRAL AMERICA.

The city with the 19th largest GDP, not the 19th richest. Since the city is the 5th biggest city in the world, it is a very small economy though, not to forget the income disparity is awful and of the worst in the whole country! Nad it would not be the RICHEST country, since per capita it is still behind some other countries in Latin America. Mexico City has a higher GDP per capita, sorry! And not such a huge income gap!
And it cannot be the 19th richest, cause Frankfurt, a city with 650,000 inhabitants for example cannot have a total GDP the size of Sao PAulo which is x times larger. But per capita it is more than 90,000€! So which one is richer? In my opinion still Frankfurt - and even with a much smaller disparity. Same goes for some other smaller cities on your continent. I consider Brasilia or Santiago richer although their total GDP is smaller. But per capita they have a far higher income.
And the fact how big or not an economy is has nothing to do with being developed or not! In Sao Paulo 40% of the population do not even have decent housing from what ILO and Unhabitat say. more than 60% aren't even connected to the sewage system of the city and more than 30% have dirty tap water. If think that this is developed,....:dunno:

Just for the record, the biggest compilation of >>projects and construction<< in Mexico City by 2012

Reforma Av.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd297/gabrielbabb/buenanl0.jpg

With this skyline I would consider Mexico City the best skyline in europe if it was in Europe! :eek: Looks very Asian!!!!:cheers:

^^ I reckon it's even better than many asian cities' skylines!
Congratulations, Mexico City!
Congratulations, Panama City!
Congratulations, Santiago de Chile!

I truly believe all of these cool skyscrapers (ok, a few not so nice, I gotta say...) is great for all of us!
Ok, competition and discussion will always be around. However, what's the point of be here criticizing each others development?:bash:
We sould all just go to a bar, drink a beer and enjoy our amazing Latino America Latina!:cheers:

Cheers!

Sorry, but every mid-sized city in Euope and the US has more and better museums than Sao Paulo. And honestly, I wouldn't cross the Ocean 11,000 km to go to Sao Paulo and visit museums and restaurants (in Frankfurt, the cuisine is represented by 160 nations, Sao Paulo 55 from what I read in a city guide) when there are things that are far more interesting for European tourists like the North East, Iguazu Falls and the Amazon.... :lol: The hotels and museums may be a nice thing to go if you are there for business, but not for a tourist!!!

Well, still I prove my point, is a tourist city, and if you live in America you don't have to cross the ocean to visit Sao Paulo, I think is a nice city, very cosmopolitan, and probably much more cheaper than many europeans cities, perhaps it doesn´t have so much different nations restaurants like you said, but it has 55 and that's a good bunch of nations, is better than what many other latin countries have to offer, it has many museums, and shows like operas, symphonies, theater, etc, I probably would visit it, and not for business, but that's my opinion, and there's one thing called business tourism, were you go to do business and at the time travel and see all the things the city has to offer, and that is tourism also, so there´s no way to say Sao Paulo is not a tourist city.

How arrogant can we latinamericans be? For sure, Panama is having a nice development last years but It does not make it a first world country and It definetly don't make the Panama City latinamerica capital city... but if someday Bolivars dream come true I'm 100% sure that the capital would be Sao Paulo or maybe Buenos Aires but sure not Panama City.

I recomend you panameños just to enjoy your growth not tring to look better, cuz you are not.

you are wrong my firend, the latinamerica capital city is México city, is the bigest of the world and the most important city in America after NY

Since when is MC the biggest town in the world??? :sly: Forgot Tokyo and Sao Paulo and NYC and...

believe ir or not mexico city is bigger than sau paoulo(the 3º bigest city) and NY, I heard that Mexico City and Tokio are almost the same!!!! inform yourselfe please

I ALREADY DID INFORM:

Sao Paulo city proper: 10,238,500, Metro area: 20,600,000
Mexico City city proper: 8,720,916 (Instituto Nacional de Estadística Geografía e Informática, Mexico ), Metro area: 22,400,000 (incl. Nezahualcóyotl, Ecatepec, Naucalpan)
Tokyo city proper: 12,677,917 (8,535,792 inner prefecture) Metro: 33,600,000 incl. Yokohama, Kawasaki, Saitama
Seoul city proper: 9,820,171 Metro: 23,400,000
:D

As city proper, MC is even smaller than Istanbul, Moscow, Shanghai, Beijing, Delhi, Mumbai, Jakarta and Karachi!

I hate wikipedia, but this list is quite new:
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_di_citt%C3%A0_del_mondo_per_popolazione
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_St%C3%A4dte_der_Welt
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_das_maiores_cidades_do_mundo
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D1%87%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
http://gl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiores_cidades_do_mundo
http://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BA_%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%98%D1%83_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0
http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%9B%E1%83%A1%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A4%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A1_%E1%83%A3%E1%83%93%E1%83%98%E1%83%93%E1%83%94%E1%83%A1%E1%83%98_%E1%83%A5%E1%83%90%E1%83%9A%E1%83%90%E1%83%A5%E1%83%94%E1%83%91%E1%83%98

it's a shame not a proud to be the most populous city in the world, :(

Indeed, it is nothing special to be too populous, since megacities are a result of bad urban planning and development!

TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The bigger the population, the more problems and usually the lower the quality of life!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^ That's the point. The "old" megacities could achieve some quality of life, the never ones (in the deveoping countries) couldn't get high living stadards until today and won't get it in the future. Pollution, crime, violence, traffice (jams), long ways, everything overcrowded,...

the news of mexico city says that mexico city is sprawling really fast getting closer to other mexican big cities and current population is 24 million 2nd largest city also there's alot of construction going on in reforma and santa fe area and the outskirts they are building suburban style houses which i live in 2 story suburban style house in santa fe.
look at wikipedia for mexico city it says that is the capital city of latin america which it has the largest economy and very high markets.and it is the 8 wealthiest city but in 2010 it will get 7th surpassing kobe,japan. its the wealthist city in latin america.

Lets hope it does not , Big is not always good.

Panama feels like a small provincial city.

No matter how many house of cards they build.

The real capital if there ever was one is Sao Paulo.

Gotham in the tropics.

Originally Posted by Skyline_FFM
Sorry, but every mid-sized city in Euope and the US has more and better museums than Sao Paulo. And honestly, I wouldn't cross the Ocean 11,000 km to go to Sao Paulo and visit museums and restaurants (in Frankfurt, the cuisine is represented by 160 nations, Sao Paulo 55 from what I read in a city guide) when there are things that are far more interesting for European tourists like the North East, Iguazu Falls and the Amazon.... The hotels and museums may be a nice thing to go if you are there for business, but not for a tourist!!!

Sao Paulo has more museums than you realise, it's FULL of GREAT Museus btw.

I met many Europeans in Sao Paulo and they loved every little thing about Sao Paulo, including its diverse museums. You are so smart that you make points based on what you read on city guides. That's hilarious. :lol::lol::lol:

People from Sao Paulo don't care if you like it or not, you don't exist for them. You are talking to yourself when you make your nonsense comments about the city.

I can't wait to return and eat some real food.

Lets hope it does not , Big is not always good.

I agree with you again. Big is messy. More populous, more poverty.

Panama feels like a small provincial city.

No matter how many house of cards they build.

The real capital if there ever was one is Sao Paulo.

Gotham in the tropics.

First of all you don't know how Panama feels like because you don't live here, and as you said big is not always good, being small has many advantages, including more probability for the people living there to have a higher quality of life, and that's something that Panama is achieveing fast, because it has less population for the wealth to be distributed. And besides there´s a lot of cities that call themselves capitals of Latin America, and that´s just a way to describe a city with large commerce, and with many investments, not for how big they are.

the news of mexico city says that mexico city is sprawling really fast getting closer to other mexican big cities and current population is 24 million 2nd largest city also there's alot of construction going on in reforma and santa fe area and the outskirts they are building suburban style houses which i live in 2 story suburban style house in santa fe.
look at wikipedia for mexico city it says that is the capital city of latin america which it has the largest economy and very high markets.and it is the 8 wealthiest city but in 2010 it will get 7th surpassing kobe,japan. its the wealthist city in latin america.

8th biggest GDP doesn't mean eighth wealthiest, since per capita you continue faaaaar behind First World cities.

Sao Paulo has more museums than you realise, it's FULL of GREAT Museus btw.

I met many Europeans in Sao Paulo and they loved every little thing about Sao Paulo, including its diverse museums. You are so smart that you make points based on what you read on city guides. That's hilarious. :lol::lol::lol:

People from Sao Paulo don't care if you like it or not, you don't exist for them. You are talking to yourself when you make your nonsense comments about the city.

I can't wait to return and eat some real food.

Sao Paulo, you can even look it up at sites about Sao Paulo made by Paulistas, they state about 80 museums - that is what little Frankfurt with 650,000 inhabitants has. And I don't mind not existing for Sao Paulans, but then I wonder that you reply to my comments!!! :rofl:
What is real food? Black beans with beef without any sauce? :lol:

Mi amigo! It seems you are either young, or did not ready my prior post in which I mentioned that Panama for many DECADES AGO has been perhaps the most relevant business and trade center in Latin America. I remember two decades ago when most of the countries of LATAM were just "F*%&$ with high inflation, wars, extreme poverty (including the now so called "more developed" Chile, Mexico and Brazil) Panama was way more stable as opposed to them, people, companies from all over the world coming to invest and live in Panama because of the USD and peace, not to mention the beauty of the country! So IT IS NOT NOW THAT PANAMA IS FAMOUS! How about when the Panama Canal was build! which city in LATAM do you think was the focus in the world? YOU ARE SO RIGHT..in the sense that now FOR THE SAME REASON: THE EXPANSION OF THE PANAMA CANAL... The country once again is resounding all over the WORLD.

I live in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, and can tell you....even here....the arabs and your compatriotas...ONLY COME TO ME..TO EXPRESS ME HOW IMPRESS THEY ARE OF PANAMA DEVELOPMENT AND REAL ESTATE BOOM (the RE boom is certainly new and has surprised even myself)....

But don't get me wrong my friend, and I have told people in the Panama's forum to keep their feet on the ground and don't loose focus as you said! They are many better cities than Panama, I agree Sao Paolo, Rio de Janeiro, Buenos Aires, and many of the Colombian cities...in regards to culture and perhaps an nicer weather, but talking strictly about business....PANAMA has the best potential...and it is FRUSTRATING to see that the Panamanian government has not fully exploited that potential...PANAMA IS SO EASY TO SELL..AND THEY BASICALLY SCREWING IT (The Government)..as either they are selling it too cheap, or just to the wrong investors!

I do think (and please..I am thinking as professional investor, which I am)..that Panama, given it's gepgraphical position (in the very middle of both south and north and Atlantic and Pacific, plus a long-established reputation as a busienss/banking/shipping center (gained for more than a century) is the best place to establish A LATIN AMERICAN BUSINESS HUB!, which Panama already it is to a certain extent..but it could do SO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE POINT: PANAMA HAS BEEN FAMOUS IN THE BUSINESS, AND EVEN REAL ESTATE FIELD FOR MANY YEARS...(I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN..PANAMA IS A NEW PHENOMENON, YOU ARE WAY WRONG!!!!!) JUST LOOK AT THE EXISTING SKYLINE IN PANAMA CITY AND YOU WILL SEE...NOT TO MENTION THAT IN 5 YEARS..PANAMA'S SKYLINE WILL SIMPLY BE THE BEST, THE LONGEST, MORE DENSE, MODERN, MORE BEAUTIFUL TO SEE SKYLINE IN LATIN AMERICA (which it is already btw! IT IS JUST THAT IN 5-8 YERS..IT WILL BE AMAZING!...I am not necessarily saying that will have the better designed buildings, though).

No my friend! I think you was the one that don't understood what I said. Panama have a huge potencial, right! So do Venezuela, Colombia, Chile or even Bolivia (which is so pour), the point is that a 90-Floor building don't make Panama the best. The size? what the hell???? Do you know the size of Luxemburg? It does not matter the size. Actualy is easier to see progress in a small country, Could you imagine Venezuela with the size of Panama? Would be AWESOME... Got me?

Pls Add this one Dr. Drums ! :)

http://www.interplusval.com/app/webroot/img/imagecache/260x612_ESFERA5.jpg

200m + / 66 fl

Source: Venez_pana_7

Please add also this one:) Tnx

Paitilla 101. Construction start September this year.
200m + / 60 fl ;)

http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x176/etxeorratz2/paitilla101.jpg

Cheers

god im getting tired of panama im going to post other latin american towers u/c

here are mexico's 200+ meters in construction

torre reforma 244m,mexico city
http://torrereformaiq8dd2
site,mexico city
http://dscf1971ar1
torre fundadores 290m,monterrey
http://fun3iz7
torre 40 200m,monterrey
http://megatorredegiibs2
puerta guadalajara 250m,guadalajara
http://puertaol7

enjoy

^^ None of those are u/c :ohno:

Please add also this one:) Tnx

Paitilla 101. Construction start September this year.
200m + / 60 fl ;)

http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x176/etxeorratz2/paitilla101.jpg

Cheers

This is nice for a change. Good going:cheers:!

^^ None of those are u/c :ohno:

torre reforma and fundadores is starting its construction.
torre reforma is clearing it's site for construction to be built.

OK, once they start digging those holes on the ground we'll talk again ;)

I used to live 6 monhts in Panamá City 2 years ago. I'm really impresed of the size of the proyects they make and the growt in investments . The city really hve an excelent skyline, with those proyects will look awesome!! Im very glad for Panama! :)

In the other hand, the trafic it's terrible, the have to do some interesting proyects to solve that, and proverty levels are high, ant that cause an extreme contrast (like in all L.A.)

Anyway, Panamá is getting better and better, cheers!

Hi Dr Drums,

Great buildings in Panama, congratulations!!
I have been once in Panama, but just in the airport for a connection flight.

I'm from Monterrey, Mexico, the city just start to construct tall buildings, some of the will be more than 200 mts, please keep an eye on them too, to you can add them in the future.

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_rascacielos_en_Monterrey

Also you can enter to the blog from Monterrey, and you will see the pics of constructions for some of them.

Krgds to all Panama and Latin American!
Oswaldo

torre reforma and fundadores is starting its construction.
torre reforma is clearing it's site for construction to be built.


And Puerta Guadalajara soon, construction starts in January

Pls Add this one Dr. Drums ! :)

http://www.interplusval.com/app/webroot/img/imagecache/260x612_ESFERA5.jpg

200m + / 66 fl

Source: Venez_pana_7

I love this one. It is simple but elegant! Very very nice! :cheers:

torre reforma began its construction this months