Omg, what did those fifa idiots do to the beautiful roof? :bash:

it seems like they used the same company to do their signage that did the turin 2006 winter games signage...the turin signage was awesome..the germany 2006 signage is awful..what on earth possessed them to use those colours..

Oh shut up. Frankly, I think you only want to talk germany bad. We will see how SA will do in 2010 in comparison to germany.

Omg, what did those fifa idiots do to the beautiful roof? :bash:
I don't know who is responsible for the roof, but whoever it is should be punished accordingly

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/electric-chair.jpg

Videowall on the Main river in Frankfurt

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71081892.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=0A988CE895E095AA274032C3A2CB4BBA

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71081884.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=0A988CE895E095AA5B83D28B1AAC7B89

What an interesting idea, will it move around?

No

Wow, a floating telly! I wish Britain had one of them.

there is one on the river thames

Oh shut up. Frankly, I think you only want to talk germany bad. We will see how SA will do in 2010 in comparison to germany.
this is not true at all...i dont think the signage reflects the history of germany nor the colours of germany or its logo...the colours of its logo and the logo itself i think would have been much more appropriate...it seems very arb im not sure how it looks up close though....maybe i just dont understand what those colours and lines mean?..
in no way was my opinion an attack on germany..seriously.

http://static.flickr.com/34/70950800_5f1e6369bd_b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/34/70950799_0b97afcf62_b.jpg

Looking at that first pic Mo posted, it only convinced me more the Berlin is the best venue. Those floodlights are awesome, what are they? Mercury Vapour?

this is not true at all...i dont think the signage reflects the history of germany nor the colours of germany or its logo...the colours of its logo and the logo itself i think would have been much more appropriate...it seems very arb im not sure how it looks up close though....maybe i just dont understand what those colours and lines mean?..
in no way was my opinion an attack on germany..seriously.

You simply can't compare that to the Olympics.
It's not Germany's World Cup - it's Fifa's World Cup. The stadium territories are Fifaland and the king of Fifaland doesn't care about Germany, nor history, nor the colours of Germany's flag... and why does everything on earth have to be so patriotic at all?! ;)

Does that signage look particularly Japanese?
http://www.op97.org/cyberteen/2001/spring/cup/91.jpg

The colouring and design of the WC in Germany looks pretty nice, though. Good style.
It just looks very much out of place in that stadium, I strongly agree with that! It's a shame... I guess it looks even worse when the roof is lit up at night.

/Edit:
You can see the whole concept here:
http://www.berlin.de/imperia/md/content/rbm-skzl/fifawm/farbkonzept.pdf

Every city has it's own colour scheme.

The colouring and design of the WC in Germany looks pretty nice, though. Good style.
It just looks very much out of place in that stadium, I strongly agree with that! It's a shame... I guess it looks even worse when the roof is lit up at night.

/Edit:
You can see the whole concept here:
http://www.berlin.de/imperia/md/content/rbm-skzl/fifawm/farbkonzept.pdf

Every city has it's own colour scheme.


Sorry but the colour concepts look absolutely shite!!!
It reminds me more of an advert for a cheap soft drink.

that yellow doesnt match the Olympic stadium.
A dark blue would have been ok, but light toxic yellow mixed together with whitewashed green looks just hideous.

Just look at the proposal for the Veltins arena! :nuts:
It doesnt look elegant it just looks in-your-face bad!
I hope that in reality it may look better.

Anyways heres a model of the AA at the Frankfurt airport:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/galleries/20060530_1445/10.jpg
http://www.allianz-arena.de/galleries/20060530_1445/8.jpg

Sorry but the colour concepts look absolutely shite!!!
It reminds me more of an advert for a cheap soft drink.

that yellow doesnt match the Olympic stadium.
A dark blue would have been ok, but light toxic yellow mixed together with whitewashed green looks just hideous.

Just look at the proposal for the Veltins arena! :nuts:
It doesnt look elegant it just looks in-your-face bad!
I hope that in reality it may look better.

That stadium decorations are rather ugly, you're right. Because it's overdone and too much.
I hope they won't decorate the whole garage in front of Munich's stadium like in that image...
Nuremberg looks quite good, though.

I think the colours are less radioactive in reality. At least I hope that. ;)

LOL

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Aviller71//fkzpt.jpg

For those who don't get it, the city in the pic is Hamburg.

According to GamesBids.com the city of Munich will look into a bid for the 2018 Olympic Winter Games for the city after this summers football World Cup.

The bid will have afew factors to consider. If the 2014 Winter Olympics are held in Europe it would effectively slash the cities chance (with Salzburg, Sochi and Almaty bidding), but many speculate the 2014 games will go to PyeongChang, South Korea (which lost to Vancouver for 2010 by several votes)

If PyeongChang wins 2014, Munich should go for 2018. I would be a unique opportunity for the city to have a 'second chance' to give itself to the World through the Olympics again, after their well organised 1972 Summer Games were tainted.

If Munich were to host the 2018 Winter Games it would be the first time the Winter Olympics had been held in Germany (probably the strongest Winter Olympic nation per medals) since the 1936 Winter Games in Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

Munich would also become the first city ever to have hosted both Summer and Winter Olympic Games, with very few cities able to even do so.

Munich 2018. What does everyone think?

I think: why not? :)

In 2018 there will be 12 years from the previous Winter Olympics in Europe so there shouldn't be problems with a continental rotation of the Games.

^^oh & they put it in that document! how dumb!

edit

I hope they don't play that stupid 'gay' tune at the beginning of every match when the players come out of the tunnel

wat gay tune?

Speaking of dumb....i think it's a fake.

How can it be a fake? Just have a look at the berlin.de "Farbkonzepte" page that was mentioned earlier in the thread. Apparently these people are either extremely stupid or they're not from Germany.

EA Sports is launching their FIFA World Cup 06 game

heres how the stadiums look in the game

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5572/stadium12sm.jpg

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3267/stadium25oj.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2062/stadium36nc.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9868/stadium43gr.jpg

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/927/stadium57si.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2848/stadium63oy.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1349/stadium78kg.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1258/stadium83av.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/6205/stadium99bj.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8333/stadium107nw.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6265/stadium114ll.jpg

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9421/stadium123hk.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4093/75814general20screens202wf.jpg
^^sum1 better tell them to change James from the number 1 spot, I'm sure its Robinson now?

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/2231/75826general20screens040zj.jpg
^^Can they do it?

no(sorry but your whole atack is in wheelchears at this moment and the rest haven't even played for their club yet) so forget about it,
nice photos though

The stadiums look better in the game than they do in real life. And no, England have no chance.

Going a bit off topic, but how was the renovation/reconstruction of the stadiums for the World Cup financed? I presume it was local/governmental rather than the clubs themselves?

The stadiums look better in the game than they do in real life. And no, England have no chance.

that was the German team with the cup, fool

Going a bit off topic, but how was the renovation/reconstruction of the stadiums for the World Cup financed? I presume it was local/governmental rather than the clubs themselves?
http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/d/stadium/index.html

New pics from Kaiserslautern :cheers:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/kaiserslautern_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/kaiserslautern_02.jpg

the mainstand still looks classy imo

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/haupt_07.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/haupt_09.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/aussen_34.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/aussen_35.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/aussen_26.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/1_fc_kaiserslautern/images/ost_13.jpg

You can put it how you want, but it is a strange stadium... :runaway:

So munich seems to be the winner of this pole, not my choice, but congratualations!
Berlin a good second and third Dortmund, I guess I can live with that.

Berlin is only 2nd because of its history, no where near as good as the Munich

Kaiserslautern is superb. Original, very imposing and very 'strong' looking! A man's stadium, instead of all these soft fag stadiums like Emirates. The two poles don't even block that many views due to their positioning. A job well done.

Kaiserslautern is superb. Original, very imposing and very 'strong' looking! A man's stadium, instead of all these soft fag stadiums like Emirates. The two poles don't even block that many views due to their positioning. A job well done.

ha ha, you crack me up

that was the German team with the cup, fool
Did I say different, you jackass?

u did say that england have no chance, but i dno is you were realting it to the pic.
so i'll stay out of this one :D

Did I say different, you jackass?

the original post had an image of the German team with the cup asking "can they do it?"

and you answered England have no chance.

just admit it you were wrong, Clown. i don't like being called names btw

The first reply to the picture montage was

no(sorry but your whole atack is in wheelchears at this moment and the rest haven't even played for their club yet) so forget about it,
nice photos though

I didnt even look at the pictures of the teams (Upon checking one is England and the other Germany). I presumed this skap187 chap meant England when he said "forget about it", and I agreed. (You'll see my post is directly below his)

Either way, I am not wrong. England have no chance, which is exactly what I said, regardless of what came before.

ok you don't like admitting being wrong, fair enough

England DO have no chance, so Seth is correct. These are the plain facts!!

ok you don't like admitting being wrong, fair enough

I know "beating me" means the world to you, but I am not wrong. England have no chance. Thats what I said, and that is an unescapable fact. 11 robotic Peter Crouch's couldn't win you this world cup, and neither will the current crop of "stars".

err did i even say that England WILL win the WC?

no, you said they have a chance....which they don't!!

err did i even say that England WILL win the WC?
I said England had no chance, you said I was wrong.
:weirdo:

no the post asked.... im not getting into this

I said England had no chance, you said I was wrong.

Of course England 'have a chance'. They have qualified for the finals, and for that reason alone they have a chance (no matter how small!).

Now a team, like for instance Scotland have NO CHANCE. Because they did NOT QUALIFY (again!).

I do hope this clears up this little squabble - Good night!

:)

Of course England 'have a chance'. They have qualified for the finals, and for that reason alone they have a chance (no matter how small!).

Now a team, like for instance Scotland have NO CHANCE. Because they did NOT QUALIFY (again!).

I do hope this clears up this little squabble - Good night!

:)

Well Said!

sleep tight

Of course England 'have a chance'. They have qualified for the finals, and for that reason alone they have a chance (no matter how small!).

Now a team, like for instance Scotland have NO CHANCE. Because they did NOT QUALIFY (again!).

I do hope this clears up this little squabble - Good night!

:)


No, you have the same chance of winning the 2006 World Cup as Scotland do - zero chance!

In fact, this year Scotland will have won more trophies than England!!!!

I've just decided I am going to go to Germany around the 19th and take in a game or two. Does anyone know a way of circumventing the 'personalised ticket' thing as I will most likely have to get one from a tout.

Any help would be appreciated.

Originally Posted by Dare to Love
No, you have the same chance of winning the 2006 World Cup as Scotland do - zero chance!

In fact, this year Scotland will have won more trophies than England!!!!

I'd give Scotland another trophy this season too. Having the biggest jerk of a supporter for 2006...you!
:cheers:

I've just decided I am going to go to Germany around the 19th and take in a game or two. Does anyone know a way of circumventing the 'personalised ticket' thing as I will most likely have to get one from a tout.


You're gonna have to pay a lot though...unless you're planning to see the Tunesia v Saudi-Arabia match.

I also don't think they're gonna be selling tickets outside of the stadiums. Maybe you should check ebay.

I was basing my choice of game on the status of the teams involved, the stadium its played in and the likelihood of getting a ticket. Was thinking Spain vs Tunisia, Paraguay vs Trinidad & Tobago, and then either Portugal vs Mexico or Ivory Coast vs Serbia & Montenegro (I want to see Munich). Not the most glamourous of games, but all being played in fairly large stadiums and so shouldn't be too much of a problem if I can get round the personalised ticket thing.

On ebay I only found 1 game: USA vs Italy, £300 for 2 tickets. But the seller can transfer the tickets into my name, which I may not be able to do otherwise.

I'm going to see Poland against Costa Rica live in Hannover, so I guess it's my favourite stadium now:D

WC-lightshow in Frankfurt.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638043,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638040,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638029,00.jpg

I could only imagine the feeling in Germany right now. It can even be felt in Australia!
About time the Aussies discovered the world game.

I was basing my choice of game on the status of the teams involved, the stadium its played in and the likelihood of getting a ticket. Was thinking Spain vs Tunisia, Paraguay vs Trinidad & Tobago, and then either Portugal vs Mexico or Ivory Coast vs Serbia & Montenegro (I want to see Munich). Not the most glamourous of games, but all being played in fairly large stadiums and so shouldn't be too much of a problem if I can get round the personalised ticket thing.

On ebay I only found 1 game: USA vs Italy, £300 for 2 tickets. But the seller can transfer the tickets into my name, which I may not be able to do otherwise.


Don't worry, you will get a ticket easily. I have never in my life travelled to a game and not got a ticket. Even the France 98 World Cup final I got a ticket for £50!! You just ask enough people and someone has always got a spare!!

WC-lightshow in Frankfurt.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638043,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638040,00.jpg

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638029,00.jpg

sydney did that in 2000...

thats looks freeken awesome! we dont have enough high rises to do that in SA :(

WC-lightshow in Frankfurt.


http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,638029,00.jpg

that looks just awesome!!

Very well done Frankfurt!

sydney did that in 2000...

Sorry, if I knew that it's already been in Sydney I wouldn't have posted them.
Same old boring shit.

Floating videowalls already there in England, lightshow stolen from Australia, opening ceremony probably the same as in Greece with some thousands of years old Chinese fireworks... 31 out of 32 teams not German... Brasil winning the WC again ... nothing new over here in Germany. :(

have you got pics of what other things German cities are doing to advertise/promote the WC?

http://static.flickr.com/20/72697220_62dab6b416_o.jpg

i wanted pictures from German cities?

3 days to go :D

that looks just awesome!!

Very well done Frankfurt!
Right now (for the next hour) it's on television ('Phoenix' on Astra-Satellite).

Or as a stream: http://www.hr-online.de/website/specials/skyarena/index.jsp?rubrik=17292&key=standard_document_22770030

thats a bit cool !

Berliner Fernsehturm:

http://www.telekom3.de/de-p/aktu/16-s/inha/exte/051129-alex-159-pi,property=Grossbild.jpg

(T-COM ad)

Berlin is only 2nd because of its history, no where near as good as the Munich

?????? You're a fucking Nazi or something?????????
Where would it be without the history according to you?
I don't like the history, I def. Like the architecture. I sepperate those two, for my own goodbeeing, but you can say what you want it is an impressive stadium in Berlin (I have to give that to the Nazi's, that's about it to to be hounest)

Berlin is only 2nd because of its history.... I do not think that is a real positive thing or am I :weirdo:
I like the stadium very very much. The design, in and outside is perfect.
as a football ground, well it has a runningtrack, so... :eek2:
I know the tires are not very steep, so that goes a little bit against my norms but well, and no I def. do not live in Berlin, or Germany. (Dutch living in Spain)

Berlin sucks.

?????? You're a fucking Nazi or something?????????
Where would it be without the history according to you?
I don't like the history, I def. Like the architecture. I sepperate those two, for my own goodbeeing, but you can say what you want it is an impressive stadium in Berlin (I have to give that to the Nazi's, that's about it to to be hounest)

wot the hell u talkin about???????????!!!!!!!

^^He obviously lives in Berlin, hence the violent outburst.

2 days to go :D

Those world cup waves look somewhat alright in Hamburg.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/fi/20060606/i/2932927405.jpg

Berlin looks great, but I just hate FOOTBALL-stadiums with a running-track.

So I'll just have to vote for Munich. Especially the facade of the stadium looks incredible. The inside though is a shame for such a great design. Those nets behind the goals are definately from the past and who the hell puts grey seats in such an eyecatcher??? That looks so dull. Why not red and white?
But besides that, it's an awesome venue!

I know what you're saying, as a stadium it is allmost perfect (not so steep) and that goes for the inside and the outside.
bye the way I am not German and I don't live in Germany (Dutch living in Spain, haha!)

Köln
http://www.stadion-koeln.de/images/news/news_060620061508151.jpg

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/images/news/news_060620061508152.jpg

http://www.olympiastadion-berlin.de/fileadmin/files/images/webcam/bayernturm/////m060606120004471.jpg

This would have been better for Berlin
(Stade de France or Wembley system)
capacity~90,000
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/722/36277353ai6ob.jpg

You've done a good job of that!

But seriously, the distance between the crowd and the pitch in that stadium is a shambles of a mockery.

well this construction pic shows no running track, why couldn't they keep it like this?

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7580/olympiaberlin017bh.jpg

Heritage reasons,

This would have been better for Berlin
(Stade de France or Wembley system)
capacity~90,000
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/722/36277353ai6ob.jpg

No it wouldn't, as then the stadium would be useless for athletics!! The stadium was designed to be used for more than just football! Football is not the only sport in the world!!

It is not a football stadium, it is a multi-purpose stadium! Stade de France or Wembley systems were out of the question due to the historic design of the stadium having to remain true to the original design.

I don't see anybody criticizing the Athens stadium for having an athletics track!!!

The debate should not be whether or not Berlin should have an athletics track (it needs one to hold athletics events), but whether or not Berlin should have been chosen for the final! As it is the largest stadium and is located in the capital of Germany, then the answer for me is - yes!

Berlin should have kept it without the track for the world cup as shown in the pic in my previous post and then reinstate it after the final. Im sure no one will argue with this

What difference would that make?

What difference would that make?

Psychological I would guess and maybe the aesthetics of the stadium?

Psychological??? For who? Will the 75000 fans in the stadium need counseling after watching 90 minutes of football with a blue athletics track???

It makes no difference at all, it's totally irrelevant! What you are basically saying is that the track should be removed to please 4 or 5 people on an internet forum who think the stadium looks prettier without it!!! I will phone FIFA immediately!!

What you are basically saying is that the track should be removed to please 4 or 5 people on an internet forum who think the stadium looks prettier without it!!!

No I didn't.

No I didn't.


yes you did...you said it twice, I heard you!!

This would have been better for Berlin
(Stade de France or Wembley system)
capacity~90,000
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/722/36277353ai6ob.jpg

its all too late to argue about...however while i fully agree that berlin shud host the final,for all obvious reasons..i do believe that if theres one tournament that deserves..not even tournament but one match that deserved an all football stadium for arguably the most important football match..the emphasis being football..then that would be the world cup final...i dont expect a country to produce 8-12 all football stadia because thats just not economically viable, but should they have not spent some money to bring seating closer to the field....

i mean manchester spent money on lowering the level to cater for football after the commonwealth games...germany isnt exactly short on money and lowering the level of the field would be a tough task but heck its the football world cup we talking about...so my question is would you have done anything about the distance between the field and spectators if it was in ur power??

They did lower the pitch!

^^Yes we know they lowerd the pitch, which idiot thought other wise?
plus berlin is an awesome stadium, its worthy to host the finals on many accounts, & at the end of the day its not the stadium that matters, its which teams will be sitting in the changing rooms having violent cases of reverse peristalsis due to the nerves getting to them before they play the biggest game of their careers!

No it wouldn't, as then the stadium would be useless for athletics!! The stadium was designed to be used for more than just football! Football is not the only sport in the world!!

It is not a football stadium, it is a multi-purpose stadium! Stade de France or Wembley systems were out of the question due to the historic design of the stadium having to remain true to the original design.

I don't see anybody criticizing the Athens stadium for having an athletics track!!!

The debate should not be whether or not Berlin should have an athletics track (it needs one to hold athletics events), but whether or not Berlin should have been chosen for the final! As it is the largest stadium and is located in the capital of Germany, then the answer for me is - yes!

Yes, i know that it would have destroyed the historical design
But with the Wembley system (Platform) you could have saved it


Athtletic mode: 74,000-historical design
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/9022/36277353ai.jpg


Football mode: 90,000-"modern" design
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/722/36277353ai6ob.jpg

Very nice design Sercan, this they realy should do in Berlin (a bit of St Denis thing no?)
I am afraid they can't, because the design is protected... but they should anyway!

I think only the terrace on the leftside should go all the way down or something.

Ithink only they would have to dig the pitch out to get an acceptable level of the stands. The problem is they would have to get it up for atletics again... mmm maybe something with a waterbasin or something

http://f5.putfile.com/6/15806330057.jpg

...this event is going be gorgeous!

^^Yes we know they lowerd the pitch, which idiot thought other wise?
plus berlin is an awesome stadium, its worthy to host the finals on many accounts, & at the end of the day its not the stadium that matters, its which teams will be sitting in the changing rooms having violent cases of reverse peristalsis due to the nerves getting to them before they play the biggest game of their careers!
when was the pitch lowered? at th beginning of the remodel? reverse peristalsis is funny

http://f5.putfile.com/6/15806330057.jpg

...this event is going be gorgeous!
a swiss fan maybe...

Does anybody know if the fences in Dortmund will be removed?
It would piss me off big time if they stay.
It looks crappy for the TV audience.

Does anybody know if the fences in Dortmund will be removed?
It would piss me off big time if they stay.
It looks crappy for the TV audience.

I think they have to be removed under FIFA regs.

^^Yes we know they lowerd the pitch, which idiot thought other wise?

Apparently Mo Rush did:

"i mean manchester spent money on lowering the level to cater for football after the commonwealth games...germany isnt exactly short on money and lowering the level of the field would be a tough task but heck its the football world cup we talking about...so my question is would you have done anything about the distance between the field and spectators if it was in ur power??"

^hehehehe, dumbass

^hehehehe, dumbass
fine so was the pitch level lowered at the beginning of the remodel?

http://f5.putfile.com/6/15806330057.jpg

...this event is going be gorgeous!
I'm sure I made a post like this but I can't find it. Who is this other guy supposed to represent?

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/28/frankfurt6zj.png (http://imageshack.us)

Very nice design Sercan, this they realy should do in Berlin (a bit of St Denis thing no?)
I am afraid they can't, because the design is protected... but they should anyway!
IMO the Wembley system is the cheapest one
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8030/unbenannt5sq.th.jpg (http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unbenannt5sq.jpg)
only a platform has to be built for Athletic events

Wembley looks like a bathroom sink in those line drawings

I'm sure I made a post like this but I can't find it. Who is this other guy supposed to represent?

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/28/frankfurt6zj.png (http://imageshack.us)

Argentina

fine so was the pitch level lowered at the beginning of the remodel?
It was done before they put the new roof.

when was the pitch lowered? at th beginning of the remodel?

Not at the beginning of the remodelling. they had to wait for the euro 2004 to have enough time after the season 2003/2004 to complete the pitch lowering before the season 2004/2005 started. the remodelling of the stadium started in 2003 if i remember correctly.

well this construction pic shows no running track, why couldn't they keep it like this?

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7580/olympiaberlin017bh.jpg

Are you kidding?

Pitch and distances are exactly the same right now. The only difference is blue paint on the running track, instead of unfinished grey. So you like grey..? Why the hell should they keep it like that?

Even if there was something like in Stade de France or if they lowered the pitch: The existing 76.000 seats will always be as far away from the pitch as they are! No matter what they do. There would be some additional 10.000 - 5.000 seats which would be a bit closer. That's all.
I think there is no other stadium with running track, where people are still sitting so close at the track and the pitch.

Look at this - WC Final 2002:
http://stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/japan/yokohama_international_stadium/100.jpg

germany isnt exactly short on money and lowering the level of the field would be a tough task but heck its the football world cup we talking about...

The city of Berlin is virtually bankrupt.
Lowering the field would be a tough task for maybe 5-10.000 new seats nobody needs - and the distance to the existing seats remaining exactly the same. Does that make sense?

The existing 76.000 seats will always be as far away from the pitch as they are! No matter what they do. There would be some additional 10.000 - 5.000 seats which would be a bit closer.


Very good point young man!! Top marks from Bubomb for noticing this!

You get the official 'Bubomb Stadium Seal Of Approval'!

The existing 76.000 seats will always be as far away from the pitch as they are! No matter what they do. There would be some additional 10.000 - 5.000 seats which would be a bit closer.
Very good point young man!! Top marks from Bubomb for noticing this!

You get the official 'Bubomb Stadium Seal Of Approval'!
And he can also have the official 'Socrates seal of dissapproval'. Just because there are rubbish seats in a stadium doesn't mean they all have to be rubbish. Having every seat as crap as they are is not ok, especially since there is so much under utilised space available that could be used to install seats with a decent view situated a reasonable distance form the pitch.

And just because the 2002 WC Final was in a crap venue doesn't mean its ok for Germany to follow suit.

but his point was that digging downwards would not change a thing for the original 75000 seats (they actually would be slightly further away if the pitch was lowered!!). That was his only point, and he was correct in noticing it!

Just booked my flights to Germany. Flying out on the 16th for the weekend. Yipee!
And its safe to say I will not be venturing near this much discussed venue in Berlin!

And he can also have the official 'Socrates seal of dissapproval'. Just because there are rubbish seats in a stadium doesn't mean they all have to be rubbish. Having every seat as crap as they are is not ok, especially since there is so much under utilised space available that could be used to install seats with a decent view situated a reasonable distance form the pitch.

And just because the 2002 WC Final was in a crap venue doesn't mean its ok for Germany to follow suit.

i can't believe this, but i actually agree with you

in my opinion, the best is gelzenkirchen stadium, because it is alomost like mix of some indoor arena and real footbal stadium...for me it has very intresting desicion of architecture...i don't know, just i am fasinated by this stadium...besides, very great are frankfurt and hanover stadiums...

but his point was that digging downwards would not change a thing for the original 75000 seats (they actually would be slightly further away if the pitch was lowered!!). That was his only point, and he was correct in noticing it!
I'm sure I made this exact same point somewhere along the line, maybe you were banned at the time.

WC 1974 Stadiums, Germany

Berlin, Olympiastadion
83.168
3 matches
http://members.surfeu.de/home/hobbyuo/imfotbildgraphpictur/Olympiastadion.jpg

DORTMUND, Westfalenstadion
54.000
4 matches
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/299/unbenannt4ob.jpg

DÜSSELDORF, Rheinstadion
67.861
5 matches
http://www.fischpop.de/Stadionweb/images/Duesseldorf_Rheinstadion.jpg

FRANKFURT, Waldstadion
63.000
5 matches
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Waldstadion_A.jpg

GELSENKIRCHEN, Parkstadion
70.600
5 matches
http://www.desperados-royalblue.de/drb_Pictures/parkstadion_g.jpg

HAMBURG, Volkspark
62.000
3 matches
http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/past_stadiums/hamburg_volksparkstadion.jpg

HANNOVER, Niedersachsenstadion
60.254
4 matches
http://www.fischpop.de/Stadionweb/images/Hannover_Niedersachsenstadion1.jpg

MÜNCHEN, Olympiastadion
77.839
5 matches
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Olympiastadion_Muenchen_A.jpg

STUTTGART, Neckerstadion
72.000
4 macthes
http://www.fischpop.de/Stadionweb/images/Stuttgart_Neckarstadion2.jpg

Thank God the Germans got rid of most of the athletics stadiums

I heard the capacity in Frankfurt will be limited to 38.000??
Whats that all about.
I know that they have installed more seats for the media but does that explain a discrepancy of 10.000?

The Rheinstadion was a thing of beauty though. I hate running tracks as much as anyone, but the new LTU Arena just looks bland compared to it.

I heard the capacity in Frankfurt will be limited to 38.000??
Whats that all about.
I know that they have installed more seats for the media but does that explain a discrepancy of 10.000?

i do know a lot of the stadiums in germany are being reduced in capacity as they include terraces rather than seating, fifa say all world cup stadia have to be all seaters so obviously no fans are allowed on the terraces therefore reducing the capacity

i do know a lot of the stadiums in germany are being reduced in capacity as they include terraces rather than seating, fifa say all world cup stadia have to be all seaters so obviously no fans are allowed on the terraces therefore reducing the capacity


Thats not the reason.
The terraces can easily be fitted with seats as it has actually happened in all venues.
The normal all seating capacity for Frankfurt is around 48.000.

The official website (http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/d/s/frankfurt.html) tells us:

Gross Capacity: 48,132
Total Seating Capacity: 43,324 (*)
Purchasable Ticket Capacity (**)
- Group stage: 38,437
- Quarter-finals: 37,925

(*) "Total Seating Capacity" means the Gross Capacity less the seats unavailable for use due to restricted views and security/contingency reserves for the 2006 FIFA World Cup. This capacity is estimated and may change once these deductions are finally determined.
(**) "Purchasable Ticket Capacity" means the Total Seating Capacity less tickets reserved for the media and press, VIP requirements and complimentary tickets. This capacity is based on maximum media requirements and may change once these requirements are finally determined.

Berlin Stadium has class! The torch, the stone structure and the roofing.

the purchaseable ticket capacity for regular fans in this world cup are a disgrace, the capacity is just too small for alot of the stadiums,

If the cap. is to small in Germany, Then there is only one country who can host the WC properly... that would be the US guys... (Like it or not)

GER-COR 64.950, Munih
POL-ECU 52.000, Gelsenkirchen

Source: FIFA

I don't think the stadiums are small by the way. I think on average they are the biggest of Europe in Germany.

Unfortuantly there is no country who can compare itself with the USA coming to size and cap. (for modern) stadiums.

max. average of this WC can be +56,000

USA is very big country

Germany, England, Italy and Spain Jointbid :D

Germany
Berlin Olimpiyat 74.000
Allianz Arena 66.000
Siganel Iduna 66.000
Wembley 90.000
OT 76.000
Emirates 60.000
Nou Camp 98.000
Bernabeu 80.000
Olimpico 81.000
San Siro 84.000

-10 for Frankfurt. The shadows created by the pitch and video screen are awful and Robinson even managed to hit the video screen from one of his kicks.

^^^
really :D
could not see the 2nd hald :(

max. average of this WC can be +56,000

USA is very big country

Germany, England, Italy and Spain Jointbid :D

Germany
Berlin Olimpiyat 74.000
Allianz Arena 66.000
Siganel Iduna 66.000
Wembley 90.000
OT 76.000
Emirates 60.000
Nou Camp 98.000
Bernabeu 80.000
Olimpico 81.000
San Siro 84.000

The thing is, the US is united (United States) the countries you say don't even pay with the same currency...
Maybe in the future, but your right, size does matter

The thing is, the US is united (United States) the countries you say don't even pay with the same currency...
Maybe in the future, but your right, size does matter

Umm, all of those countries (except Britain) have the Euro Dollar as thier currency.

But I agree, a WC staged over so many countries is unworkable.

actually the list only should show that
USA = ~ ENG, GER, ESp and ITA together (for stadia and the capacity)

-10 for Frankfurt. The shadows created by the pitch and video screen are awful and Robinson even managed to hit the video screen from one of his kicks.
robinsons fault. in more than 40 games in this stadium the video screen was only hit once. i also think the poor english game made the stadium look worse than it actually does.

the purchaseable ticket capacity for regular fans in this world cup are a disgrace, the capacity is just too small for alot of the stadiums,

Even 100,000 would be too small for many games. That's just the way it is. Perhaps 50,000 should be the minimum rather than 40,000?

size as criteria, then the US is compareble with GB, France, Germany, Spain and Italy

Even 100,000 would be too small for many games. That's just the way it is. Perhaps 50,000 should be the minimum rather than 40,000?

mmmmmmm I am afraid you are right... (Then I def. can forget the WC2086 in the Benelux)

After 1994 I dont know why anybody would suggest taking the thing back to America any time soon.

Because it was a good world cup (not football wise but you can't blame the Americans for that)?

Because it was a good world cup (not football wise but you can't blame the Americans for that)?
It was a nice world cup! And some kind of 'developing aid' to bring FOOTBALL (not soccer) to the US.

But there are MANY countries who deserve to host the world cup and will also organize a good world cup.


At the moment i will only see Tunesia vs. Saudi-Arabia next wednesday. But for me it's ok, because i really enjoy far more the atmosphere inside of munich!
The last days there were just a great partytime with people all around the world. Mexicans, Ticos, Brazilians, Aussies, Americans (ok, most of them only 'heard' of the world cup but the 'U S A'-chants seems to be in your blood)

And i think most of these people don't give a fuck if Nuremberg has such a low capacity (unless they have no tickets to see their team...) or Frankfurt's shadow on the pitch.

Stadiums can't buy atmosphere.

http://static.flickr.com/64/164340501_7096ad2288_b.jpg

If someone is interested in some pictures from the AllianzArena.
link to my pictures (http://www.kicktipp24.de/downloads/bilder/fcb/2005_10_23-stadiontour/Thumbnails.html)

And some pictures from the outside...
http://www.kicktipp24.de/downloads/bilder/fcb/2005_10_22-fcb-duisburg/DSC02633.jpg

http://www.kicktipp24.de/downloads/bilder/fcb/2005_10_22-fcb-duisburg/DSC02643.jpg

http://www.kicktipp24.de/downloads/bilder/fcb/2005_10_22-fcb-duisburg/DSC02649.jpg

http://www.kicktipp24.de/downloads/bilder/fcb/2005_10_22-fcb-duisburg/DSC02667.jpg

My vote definitely goes to the Munich World Cup stadium a.k.a Allianz Arena. I watched the opening ceremony & the match between GER & CRC - I must say the stadium is superb! The game's 'atmosphere' in the stadium that I could sense was quite amazing!

I watched the other matches too, but the stadiums & the atmosphere could in no way match up to Munich's!

I would love to sit in one of those awesome seats in Allianz Arena!!! They would fit me so well!

The 9 people who voted Nuremburg as their favourite venue in this poll need to get their heads examined!

http://static.flickr.com/61/164242646_8e510aefd1.jpg?v=0

http://static.flickr.com/64/164242822_c694b27e0a.jpg?v=0

i hate to say this but that Frankfurt stadium really is not practical particularly for a world cup, those ridiculous video screens blocking the ball and what about those ridiculous shadows!!

Ranking the stadia, favourite to least favourite


1.Munich 9.7
2.Dortmund 9.4
3Leipzig 9.0
4.Cologne 8.8
5. Berlin 8.7
6 Hamburg 8.5
7.Gelsenkirchen 8.4
8.Hanover 8.0
9.Frankfurt 7.7
10.Stuttgart 7.1
11.Nuremberg 6.5
12.Kaiserslautern 6.0

Cologne Stadium is just fantastic. So simplistic as it ifs been built by fitting pieces of lego together, Leipzig well only because im biased when it comes to leipzig, munich stands miles apart original and an electric atmosphere, dortmund does its fair share in creating a wonderful atmosphere in a stadium that is deceiving in its capacity, berlin is a good mix of tradition and history with the modern world..neat roof i spose, pity abou the athletics track..hamburg is great, and so in gelsenkirchen with its retractable roof..hanover is really cool just happens to be this low down due to the quality of stadia above it...frankfurt yeah its cool, those shadows during the match!!...stuttgart...minus the athletics track, the roof designs or "floating" roof design seems so similar to a few of the others

no comment regarding kaiserslautern, i do like nuremberg..it reminds me of one stadium that south africa will use...i.e free state stadium, but without the athletics track..
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/RheinEnergieStadion_K%C3%B6ln_002.jpg/800px-RheinEnergieStadion_K%C3%B6ln_002.jpg

München GER-COR 66.000
Gelsenkirchen POL-ECU 52.000
Frankfurt ENG-PAR 48.000
Dortmund TNT-SWE 62.959
Hamburg ARG-IVC 49.480

average after 5 matches: 55.688

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/afp/20060609/i/2205088017.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/afp/20060609/i/497019386.jpg

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/afp/20060610/i/3388574431.jpg

i hate to say this but that Frankfurt stadium really is not practical particularly for a world cup, those ridiculous video screens blocking the ball and what about those ridiculous shadows!!

I'm fairly sure this was the first time that anybody's hit the screen in a game. Last April (ie a couple of weeks ago), Sevilla's goalkeeper was the first person to hit the videoscreen in Schalke, so it's not exactly a common occurence.

And why would it be a problem for the world cup and not for week to week Bundesliga football ("practical particularly for a world cup")?

World Cup is played in the summer, more sunshine = more shadows. League football during the winter months = less sunshine = less of a shadow.

The BBC coverage of the England game was bad enough even without the distracting imperial flag of japan projected onto the pitch

http://www.bosamar.com/images/japanav.jpeg

Engerlanders are just pissed off because it reminded them of Aztecs Stadium in Mexico and what happened there.

Last April (ie a couple of weeks ago), Sevilla's goalkeeper was the first person to hit the videoscreen in Schalke, so it's not exactly a common occurence.
I think Oliver Kahn was the first who hit the Schalke-Screen.
But you're right! It doesn't and shouldn't occur to often... Keep the ball low and win high :) (just a bad word-by-word translation...)

München !!!
Incredible venue

http://www.schalke04.de/docroot/_files/grafikenerlebnis1042815641/erlebnis_fuehrungen_arena1043332675.jpg



shadows in Gelsenkirchen

I'm fairly sure this was the first time that anybody's hit the screen in a game. Last April (ie a couple of weeks ago), Sevilla's goalkeeper was the first person to hit the videoscreen in Schalke, so it's not exactly a common occurence.




No, he was 2nd, first was Oliver Kahn (bundesliga schalke vs. Bayern)! :)

Leipzig seems like a very nice venue as well. The stands could have been a few meters closer to the field and start off with a slightly smaller elevation but it still looks pretty cool with those blue seats. It looks slightly bigger than it actually is. I like the fact they kept the old Zentral Stadion and built the whole thing in the middle of it.

and the 2nd tier is very steep, i think 36 or 37°

I found an interesting report on elpais.es, which deals about the bad broadcasting quality due to shadows in Frankfurt/Gelsenkirchen. They might close the roofs next time to achieve better picture quality. However, that would create sauna feeling.

La FIFA estudia techar los estadios para mejorar las imágenes de televisión
El problema es que entonces la temperatura de los estadios podría llegar a niveles perjudiciales para los jugadores y el público
EFE - Berlín
ELPAIS.es - Deportes - 11-06-2006 - 13:25
La FIFA estudia cerrar los techos de algunos estadios los días de sol para evitar los claroscuros en las imágenes de televisión, aunque antes se comprobará que esta medida no es perjudicial para los jugadores por una elevación de la temperatura.

Markus Siegler, director de Comunicación de la FIFA, reconoció hoy que la calidad de imagen del partido Inglaterra-Paraguay, disputado el sábado, fue bastante deficiente por los contrastes de sol y sombra. "Estamos evaluando cerrar el techo de los estadios de Fráncfort y Gelsenkirchen en los partidos a primera hora de la tarde, pero antes queremos saber si eso significará una subida importante de la temperatura", señaló Siegler.

El portavoz de la FIFA indicó que no quieren que se repitan "escenas tan dramáticas como las del Mundial de Estados Unidos'94, cuando en sitios como Detroit el termómetro alcanzó los 50 grados en el terreno de juego".

Siegler, con respecto al cambio de entrenador en la selección de Togo, afirmó que están a la espera de que la federación de ese país les confirme si definitivamente su sustituto será el hasta ahora tercer técnico Kodjovi Mawuena. "Lo que sí puedo asegurar es que no habrá huelga de jugadores y que Togo debutará, como estaba previsto, contra Corea del Sur el martes en Fráncfort", sostuvo Siegler.

Jiri Dvorak, responsable médico de la FIFA y presente en la rueda de prensa de hoy, reveló que no ha habido positivos en los dos primeros partidos del Mundial, Alemania-Costa Rica y Polonia-Ecuador, disputados el viernes. Asimismo, todos los controles antidopaje efectuados antes del torneo resultaron negativos.

Siegler negó que la audiencia televisiva del partido inaugural de Múnich fuera de 1.500 millones de espectadores. "Estamos a la espera de conocer los datos, pero esa cifra ofrecida por un medio de comunicación es incorrecta".

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_sachsen_leipzig/images/e_sonstige_22.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_sachsen_leipzig/images/d_nord_07.jpg

They should close the roof in both places. It will probably get a bit colder towards the end of the week and the shadows in Gelsenkirchen are absolutely horrifying. That's what I hate most about the Arena.

BTW, today was the first time I actually saw a match in the Zentralstadion and I have to say it reminds me of the Estadio Dragao (obviously a bit smaller).

IMO the should make the stand closer
adn the wall will be shorter

BTW
only 37.216 at S&M vs. NED
Capacity is 43,000

Yeah... and I haven't got any tickets. Thanks Fifa. :(

I wanted to get tickets for tonight's Angola v Portugal game...thank God I didn't get any.

You must all be puffs if a few shadows on a pitch put you off a game. I watched the England game and the Frankfurt stadium looked superb!! The shadows on the pitch didn't bother me at all!! You better get your eyes tested if something like that puts you off a game!! As for the ball hitting the cube? So what??? The keeper just took another kick out, and it very rarely happens anyway!

On another note - how shit were England!! Brazil would tear them a new arsehole! England are winning nothing.....last 8 at best! (which I pointed out for the last few months).

those shadows were pretty awful though

1. The goalkeeper did not get to take the kick again.

2. The new Wembley has a sliding roof to prevent a staightforward rectangular shadow covering a portion of the pitch because it is alleged to infringe on the viewing pleasure of the spectator both at home and at the stadium - some of these German stadiums have shadows in the vein of exploding fireworks. If a no frills rectangle is distracting, how can this not be?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41749000/jpg/_41749986_stadium_afp416.jpg

And I'd be surprised if a few of the players weren't more than a tad worried about the screen thing falling on their heads.

1. The goalkeeper did not get to take the kick again.

2. The new Wembley has a sliding roof to prevent a staightforward rectangular shadow covering a portion of the pitch because it is alleged to infringe on the viewing pleasure of the spectator both at home and at the stadium - some of these German stadiums have shadows in the vein of exploding fireworks. If a no frills rectangle is distracting, how can this not be?

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41749000/jpg/_41749986_stadium_afp416.jpg

And I'd be surprised if a few of the players weren't more than a tad worried about the screen thing falling on their heads.


Well it didn't infringe on my viewing pleasure at all, I wasn't distracted at all.....I didn't even pick up on the shadows until my mate pointed out the shape of the big cubes shadow on the pitch!! I think people these days are a bit too fussy with all these LCD's, HD etc! Give me a telly, beer and a colour picture and i'm fine!! I was more distracted by the barmaids big tits at the pub at Loch Lomond where I was watching it...they were huge!!

I was sure the ref gave the ball back to the keeper....guess not! He should of and that would be the problem solved.

Had it been a better game it wouldn't have bothered me, but since the product on display was a mild lukewarm pish, I found my attention wandering to the stadium and fans in it. Thus the hanging cube and shadow over the pitch was a welcome distraction to the god awful commentary and dull uninspired football.

But for the record I happen to like Glenskirchen, one of my 3 favourite venues, so I am not overly bothered by the screens and shadows on the pitch, even though in this instance in Frankfurt I was.

(And I'm not a puff either btw!)

(And I'm not a puff either btw!)


but I am!!!!


only joking.......or am I?

Sometimes I wonder! Or do I?

Or do I?

i'm not sure??

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00016ZQZM.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

munich and berlin are breathtaking. hats off to the germans, i have to admit those two stadiums alone put Celtic park to shame. I still love it though.

The roof in Frankfurt will be closed for tomorrow afternoon's game between Togo and South Korea. Should be interesting to watch because temps are supposed to hit 30°C.

the roof in Frankfurt will be closed due to the Shadows on the pitch, at least they are doing something to correct the problem.

The shadows dont affect the players that much! but it will be nice to have another world cup game indoors.

I want to change my vote to Kaiserslautern :cheers:

I want to change my vote to Kaiserslautern :cheers:
The Kaiserslaughtern stadium is rubbish - bottom 3

After watching the Brazil Game i can't belive that in this modern age that the Berlin Olympic stadium will host the final with massive pillars in the stands to support the roof.

The Kaiserslaughtern stadium is rubbish - bottom 3

I think he was saying that after australia's comeback vicotry over Japan.

As for the stadium, it certainly is bootom 3 in terms of stadium quality, etc, but the thing has got lots of character and plenty of charm.

I wouldn't be too dissapointed if she was in my city.

They all look magnificent. It sure is a very high standard set for us South Africans, coming WC2010

^^No its not, apart from Allianz, Dortmund & Berlin, the other stadiums are pretty avg, okay some have retractable roof's but that aint everything, doubt all of SA's stadiums will be better thatn Germanys but all their venues are not that grand.

What do you mean by average? Do you want a revolving pitch and a special laser show during the game? Cologne looks beautiful and the roof with the pylons is something special. Mmost of the other venues are pretty good as well.

^^^
yes
show me similiar stadiums

http://www.stadionwelt.de/wmspecial/templates/stadionguides/gelsenkirchen/images/innen_25.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/wmspecial/templates/stadionguides/hamburg/images/innen_14.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/wmspecial/templates/stadionguides/hannover/images/innen_33.jpg

Pano from the Czech Republic v USA game

http://www.schalkefanclub.com/mberghoefer/2006/20060612_pan_5.jpg

Pano from the Czech Republic v USA game

http://www.schalkefanclub.com/mberghoefer/2006/20060612_pan_5.jpg
thats awesome cape town will also have a retractable roof..

What do you mean by average? Do you want a revolving pitch and a special laser show during the game? Cologne looks beautiful and the roof with the pylons is something special. Mmost of the other venues are pretty good as well.
No I dont mean they're rubbish or anything, Harkerb said that Germany will be a though act to follow, but the stadiums are not that fancy that SA cant build stadiums almost equal or equal to that of Germany. Thats all that I was trying to say. No harm intended :)

Yesterday, Tunisia - Saudi Arabia in Munich
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1754/img0830small3oc.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2774/img0855small2jj.jpg

the attendance is always xy,000
why not for example 66,324
only Dortmund,TNT-SWE, 62.959 and Leipzig, SER-NED, 37.216

Yesterday, Tunisia - Saudi Arabia in Munich
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1754/img0830small3oc.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2774/img0855small2jj.jpg

I could certainly see alot of empty seats at that game, tickets the touts couldnt sell I expect.

All tickets were sold. But obviously not everybody attended the game. Germany was playing right after that game and ,frankly said, Tunesia-SaudiArabia did not promise to be too great.

0-75 min i did not saw empty seats
after, because of the Germany game, there werde many empty seats
10.000-15.000 maybe

I was under the impression...that the origins of the buildings and their history was a bit of a taboo subject among Germans, and very rarely - if ever - discussed?

Hitler is hardly taboo but rather a hype subject in Germany. You are constantly bombarded with it by the German media, even worse than the situation in the UK. Whenever you switch on German TV you have a 50+% chance to hit something like "Hitler's helpers", "Hitler's women", "Hitler's dog", "Hitler's favourite food", "Hitler's secret weapons", "Hitler's UFO bases", "Hitler's flight to the moon", "Hitler reloaded", "Hitler resurrection", etc... YAWN!

Don't forget "Hitler's 99 barely legal tax tricks". :D

Interestingly enough, English tv stations had to mention Nazi rallies in Nuremberg during the first game that was played there (Iran v Mexico). :ohno: Seriously, the city's like 1000 years old but all the English reporters could talk about was that this was the city of Nazi party rallies.

On topic:

Allianz Arena is without question the best football venue of the lot. Architecture-wise however I like Berlin better.

Interestingly enough, English tv stations had to mention Nazi rallies in Nuremberg during the first game that was played there (Iran v Mexico). :ohno: Seriously, the city's like 1000 years old but all the English reporters could talk about was that this was the city of Nazi party rallies.

I watched Sky News frequently in the recent days and they constantly reported about the legality or illegality of goose stepping, Hitler salutes, war references, etc. They even showed footage from the Zeppelinfeld in Nuremberg (where the NAZI rallies used to be held). The Hitler trauma obviously seems to be at the center of the English identity. I just hope their team doesn't forget to score about all those worries. :D

a lot of the exteriors are quite cheap-looking IMO. my favourite stadium is Berlin. i'm not afan of the Allianz Arena, looks to plasticky for me, it lights up well though

SO! How are the touts circumventing the 'personalised ticket' anti-tout mechanism?

Need answers quickstyle people... the Soc man is due to arrive in Germany at 5pm local time tomorrow!

Is Germany ready?

thats awesome cape town will also have a retractable roof..

And what may I ask is so special about a retractable roof on a gloriously sunny day???? Oh, is it so the players can boil in a giant hot tub...or is to counter the shadows cast by that stupid tv box in the sky?

give me the shadows any day!

And what may I ask is so special about a retractable roof on a gloriously sunny day???? Oh, is it so the players can boil in a giant hot tub...or is to counter the shadows cast by that stupid tv box in the sky?

give me the shadows any day!
it rains in cape town in june...wanna get wet?

And what may I ask is so special about a retractable roof on a gloriously sunny day???? Oh, is it so the players can boil in a giant hot tub...or is to counter the shadows cast by that stupid tv box in the sky?

give me the shadows any day!
If Emirates had a retractable roof you'd be spunking all over it

retractable roofs are overated

Just like Peter Crouch. ;)

Impressive showing by the Swedish fans tonight.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71213404.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D05BC3143F212AAB39

ooooh the have a flare! Impressive!

Actually I didn't really notice that but it is impressive to get it into a world cup stadium nonetheless with all the security precautions that have been taken. :D

Don't forget "Hitler's 99 barely legal tax tricks". :D

Interestingly enough, English tv stations had to mention Nazi rallies in Nuremberg during the first game that was played there (Iran v Mexico). :ohno: Seriously, the city's like 1000 years old but all the English reporters could talk about was that this was the city of Nazi party rallies.

Do you watch/receive english television?

Just like Peter Crouch. ;)

Impressive showing by the Swedish fans tonight.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71213404.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D05BC3143F212AAB39

Certainly showing alot of flare (flair)



:runaway:

Ok heres my opinion on the tournament so far.

I think that all stadiums apart from Hannover,Berlin and Stuttgart look pretty good on television.
I have to say that the colour schemes look much better in reality.

Im still a bit pissed that Stuttgart, as being the capital of Baden-Wuerttemberg couldnt come up with anything better than a renovated Gottlieb Daimler Stadion.
This is the typical swabian cheap solution. They just do whatever the FIFA demands as a minimum.
In my opinion they should have built something in the category of the DaLuz stadium.
Baden Wuerttemberg is one of the richest regions in the world and its just a shame that theres not a single propper fotball ground in the whole state.

Berlin on the other hand is ok, but Im dissapointed by the light concept. Theres clearly something wrong. Ive read an interview with the guy who installed the lights in the stadium and he thought its a great idea to light up the pitch whilst keeping the audience in the dark to create a theater experience. :bash:
that may sound nice but the problem is that football doesnt have anything to do with theater at all.
The spectators are taking part in the game whereas the spectators in a theater are just "observing".
the result is a strange picture during night matches.
The TV picture somewhat looks darkish,greenish and bleak.
The audience seems to sit in the dark which gives the game a rather cold atmosphere.
the history of the stadium deosnt help here.
the lights in the roof are dimmed down to a minimum for whatever reason
(maybe to save energy).
Instead they should light up the ranks to show the TV viewers the atmosphere instead of hiding the spectators away.
And the lights in the roof should be powered up to the maximum to give the stadium a warmer atmosphere aswell.

I hope that theyll make some changes there until the final.

but maybe the atmosphere is great inside the stadium?

Actually I didn't really notice that but it is impressive to get it into a world cup stadium nonetheless with all the security precautions that have been taken. :D
The 'security precautions' are just a joke! I easily could have smuggled in some bottles of beer.

First i had to go through the body search. Therefore i had to put down my rucksack. After the body search i had to wait in a line of 5 peoples where your bag/rucksack will be checked (only the baggage, no body search). In this 1-2 minutes i could easily put some things out of my rucksack into my pockets.
They only took the 'detergent' for my contact lenses from me... What a weapon :gunz:

But inside the stadium you can be sure, that the policemen probably can see EVERYTHING through their cameras ;)

^^ i totally agree,we(TV viewers) need much more light

but maybe the atmosphere is great inside the stadium?

Yes, maybe.
But its important to make the fans inside the stadium visible to the TV-audience, and the players.
right now they are just sitting in the dark.
I couldnt see anything unless the camera zoomed in for a closer look.

In other stadiums the stands have enough light. (For example in the SDF)
But here it just doesnt look right.

and I think its worrying that the guy responsible for the light scheme actually prides himself in his achievement.
He said something like: This is now one of a kind in the world. the lights can be used with great accuracy. the pitch can be filled with light whilst the spectators remain in the drak so to give them a theater experience. :ohno:

Do you watch/receive english television?

Yeah, all BBC channels are free to air or something like that but I also have a decoder to watch other British channels.

Never thought I would say it, but when I saw Poland-Germany I realy liked the 'power'of that stadium. Impressive as massive, damn it is solid and it has a very good atmosfere I think because the 'rings'are very big. Nothing small about that stadium!

retractable roofs are overated


never thought i'd hear such a comment from someone who expereinces English weather

never thought i'd hear such a comment from someone who expereinces English weather

London's weather is pretty good actually

Yes, maybe.
But its important to make the fans inside the stadium visible to the TV-audience, and the players.
right now they are just sitting in the dark.
I couldnt see anything unless the camera zoomed in for a closer look.

In other stadiums the stands have enough light. (For example in the SDF)
But here it just doesnt look right.


I agree. The first time I saw the new stadium (DFB-Pokalfinale 04 between Bremen and Aachen) I thought that they hadn't installed the lighting yet.

^^ i totally agree,we(TV viewers) need much more light

This is why I'm wondering if this broadcast is upconverted from EDTV or Pal resolution or if its true HD, which actually requires stadiums to upgrade the lighting to a certain level. The picture is soft in HD sometimes, and sometimes excellent. The first match from Allianz certainly looked much better than some of the others.

I say Munich because of the Allianz Arena.

This is why I'm wondering if this broadcast is upconverted from EDTV or Pal resolution or if its true HD, which actually requires stadiums to upgrade the lighting to a certain level. The picture is soft in HD sometimes, and sometimes excellent. The first match from Allianz certainly looked much better than some of the others.

If I recall correctly, the whole World Cup 2006 is produced natively in 1080i. Abd yes, the lighting is upgraded.

One of my faves is actually Leipzig.
I think Allianz looks crap from the inside.

I actually don't like Leipzig because I think it looks rubbish on the inside.

The Kaiserslautern stadium has really grown on me, I like it alot.

I love the huge stands that seem to just keep going and going.

Nuremberg is wicked aswell....so unusual.

I think grey seats in the Allianz make it a bit crap, the same colour in all the stadium, I do not like it :ohno:
Leipzig is a bad Dragao stadium don't you think it? but it doesn't dislike me at all.

I actually don't like Leipzig because I think it looks rubbish on the inside.

The Kaiserslautern stadium has really grown on me, I like it alot.

I love the huge stands that seem to just keep going and going.

Nuremberg is wicked aswell....so unusual.
I agree with you on all points.
It looks bad inside.

Btw, Allianz was made to look simple inside and colourless...aparently the architect is inlove with football and wanted nothing to be distracting spectators from the beautiful game.

:( dont mock leipzig i like leipzig...

:( dont mock leipzig i like leipzig...


...aka COM stadium :) :jk:

Leipzig looks more like EL Drago, and Im a city fan!

I dislike the rather high wall that surrounds the pitch in Leipzig. It's a nice stadium nonetheless, even though it looks a bit like a cheap copy of the Dragao stadium.

I dislike the rather high wall that surrounds the pitch in Leipzig. It's a nice stadium nonetheless, even though it looks a bit like a cheap copy of the Dragao stadium.

I agree, I think the Leipzig stadium is one of my favourites, but the high wall is a real shame; is there another stadium that has this also? it reminds me of US 94

Gelsenkirchen has a fairly high wall as well.

I don't like the high elevations on the German stadiums either. There is space for seats, and people would no doubt buy them if they could, so the seats should be there.

I've just been to Cologne (Koln), very nice place and lots of nice people there. (Including a group of Derby County fans who loved us, and excluding quite a few Czechs, they were nice enough before the Ghana game, but after they got their arses kicked they were all moaping around in a huff!) I'm not overly keen on FC Koln's stadium, but it is decent enough. I didn't manage to get a ticket for a game there sadly, but I was just happy to find a room in a hotel.

Other impressive things there: the transport system = A+. The German beer was good, although the head on some pints was outrageous, the McD's was better than here, and that big Cethedral was awesome (and more than a little scary too!)

http://i4.tinypic.com/15n1w1x.jpg

(Since this is an architecture forum I thought I'd post a pic I took, which doesn't do it justice. A trully awesome feat of architecture.)

the wall in Gelsenkirchen is not so high, as you can see here:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/01/787401/1280_3734383339656130.jpg

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/01/787401/1280_6437623362643836.jpg

Berlin for me....but that's because I've just come back from Ukraine v Tunisia and seen it in the flesh. Shame it was such a poor game though.

Kaiserslauten looks good/quirky

Leipzig looks more like EL Drago, and Im a city fan!
yep i dig Leipzig too

Gelsenkirchen or Munich for me

the wall in Gelsenkirchen is not so high, as you can see here:



I think the wall is high. I dont understand really why they have this feature.
As somebody else mentioned already: there could be some seats instead.

That said I think the stadium looks still great. The wall has been covered with a nice colour scheme which really works.
I thought it would look crap but I have to say that it looks very good in reality.

In the Bundesliga however it doesnt look good as the whole wall is covered in advertisement.
(Maybe thats the reason for having such a wall.)

Another stadium with this feature would be the Ostseestadion in Rostock which has also been built by the dutch company HBM.

the wall is 3,30m high
http://www.veltins-arena.de/portrait_daten.php

average attendance is 51,070

how high is the wall in leipzig?

the wall is 3,30m high
http://www.veltins-arena.de/portrait_daten.php


But you have to add that the moveble pitch is about 2 meters above the base. so the wall is only approx. 1,5 meters high compared to the pitch level. this is a big difference to leipzig. when you see the stadium in tv it seems to be higher because from the place of the cam yo look into the ditch between the stands and the "pitch drawer"

oh, it doesn't really look like 1,5m :D

Leipzig is ~4m

But you have to add that the moveble pitch is about 2 meters above the base. so the wall is only approx. 1,5 meters high compared to the pitch level. this is a big difference to leipzig. when you see the stadium in tv it seems to be higher because from the place of the cam yo look into the ditch between the stands and the "pitch drawer"

dunno. it looks higher than 1.5 meters.
and have a look at the Ostseestadion. there the wall is just as high even though the stadium hasnt got a moveable pitch.(both stadiums were built by HBM)
It doesnt look good in the Ostseestadion and I have no idea why they have done it.