From time to time you can see pictures made by a cam at the sideline of the pitch. from this angle you can see that the top of the wall at the veltins arena / arena auf schalke is not more than 1,5 meters above the pitch. but of course the wall itself is higher (i said it before)


i haven't found better ones right now:
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/sued_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/kompakt_04.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/gegen_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/haupt_04.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionguides/deutschland/fc_schalke_04/images/haupt_06.jpg
(the small advertising board in front is 0.75m high)

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/01/787401/1280_3734383339656130.jpg

I took this photo from the first row (before Champions-League Final 2004), you can see that the stewart seems to be taller than the wall.

The wall in the Veltins Arena is 3,15 m high, the pitch construction is 1,35 high.

Can we have another 400 messages deleted?????

what wall?

Ive just read an interview on Stadionwelt with a floodlight expert of the dutch company Phillips which is the world leader in this segment.

He proves my point that I made earlier about the failed light concept in the Olympiastadion.

"Wie sieht diese Betonung aus?

Zunächst hilft das Flutlicht natürlich, die Bühne, also das Spielfeld, besonders hervorzuheben. Alles andere gerät vergleichsweise in den Hintergrund. Dennoch ist es uns sehr wichtig, auch die Zuschauer als Rahmen der Veranstaltung einzubeziehen. Unser Lichtkonzept ArenaVision beinhaltet daher die gezielte Beleuchtung auch der Ränge, zwar nicht so hell wie den Rasen, aber ausreichend, um Choreographien, Fahnen und ganz allgemein die Stimmung im Stadion erkennen zu können. Eine Entwicklung wie in Berlin, wo bei Flutlichtspielen im Fernsehen praktisch überhaupt keine Zuschauer mehr zu sehen sind, empfinden wir als den falschen Weg."

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_business/index.php?template=specials&action=interview

Thank god that there are people out there who have realized this mistake.
I still cannot believe that this light concept in Berlin was allowed in the first place.
Its so stupid for crying out loud.
Why would you want to hide the fans/stands?
Just shows how many incompetent people are out there who are being allowed to make such decisions.
I really hope that they have changed something for the wc final otherwise it would be highly embarrasing and more importnadly it wouldnt show Berlin in its best "light"
The picture will probably look starnge/cold and overall not firendly.


another interesting point he makes in the interview:

"Was zeichnet die Arena AufSchalke besonders aus?
Zum Einen die eben angesprochene Zuschauerbeleuchtung. Gerade wegen des verschließbaren Daches waren die Verantwortlichen auf Schalke besonders darauf bedacht, beim Fußball keine typische Hallenbeleuchtung, also einen völlig abgedunkelten Zuschauerraum, zu präsentieren. Die Schalker kamen von sich aus auf uns zu und baten darum, gezielt auch die Ränge anzustrahlen, um den Stadioncharakter zu wahren. Außerdem hat die Arena mit dem letztjährigen Champions League-Finale, natürlich unter Flutlicht, die höchste Weihe des europäischen Clubfußballs genossen – und bravourös bestanden."


It seems that they are better informed in Gelsenkirchen than they are in Berlin :)

heres another interesting interview by the way:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_business/index.php?template=specials&action=interview2


I will also try to find the interview with the guy who installed the light system in Berlin.

Berlin Looked lovely last night and it didnt look like fans where too far from the action.

Yeah it was really a great setting for the final. Much better than the Allianz Arena IMO.

Yes it was.
Its such an elegant stadium...its beautiful.

I could say its a 50 year old bowl with a roof...but thats just ignorant.

Although I love the technical ingenuity of the Allianz Arena and the sheer massiveness of the stadium in Dortmund (especially during league games, when it houses more than 15.000 additional spectators), it's not really a contest in my opinion: the Berlin Olympia Stadion is one of the most beautiful and graceful stadiums I have ever seen, and the recent renovation in preparation of the World Cup only made it more beautiful.

']Berlin Looked lovely last night and it didnt look like fans where too far from the action.

Yes, it looked good yesterday.
The roof is superb and the camera shots/angles were good too.

However it could have been better.
The lights in the roof could have been stronger and the stands should have gotten more light too.
It was good on a whole but there was room for improvement.

Berlin by far.....Magnificent and Elegant, Simple and Imposing, of true Teutonic style.....Doric in its proportions.And what a history....in fact the stadium in Berlin IS history itself...Too bad after Jesse Owens that the French National team could not revive with a victory the answer humanity gives to totalitarian & racist thinkers around the world. Anyway, congrats to Italy, they "stole" the victory in a convincing manner, suitable to all the sterotypes the world has for the squadra azzura.

Allianz Arena: Perfectly balanced and tuned, like a German piece of engineering, yet with lack of character.Unlike most of the new Portuguese stadiums, for instance, as we experienced them in 2004. Still the future rests ahead for its own history to be written.

P.S. I really missed Munich Olympic Stadium......

P.S. I really missed Munich Olympic Stadium......

Why? I realy did not like that stadium (the roof was okay), but for the rest... tell me

Why? I realy did not like that stadium (the roof was okay), but for the rest... tell me
The roof is part of the stadium....when will people learn?

Why? I realy did not like that stadium (the roof was okay), but for the rest... tell me

Taste is subjective......Munich Olympic Complex has been one of the excellent architectural landmarks of modern time and the stadium is its most profound element, not to mention all the great football history moments that took place in it, i.e. WC 1974 or EC 1988 to mention just a couple.It definately has character, not to mention capacity: 72.000

']Yes it was.
Its such an elegant stadium...its beautiful.

I could say its a 50 year old bowl with a roof...but thats just ignorant.

Is the Coliseum just a 2000 year old bowl (w/o a roof)? :D

Is the Coliseum just a 2000 year old bowl (w/o a roof)? :D
Lol.

I said it because thats what they all say when they critizise a stadium...

"Athens Olympic Stadium is a 20 year old bowl with a fancy roof"
"Stade de France is a bowl with a shiny roof"
"Munich Olympic Stadium is ugly but I like the roof"
"Olympiastadion is just a crappy bowl with a fucking aweseme elegant roof"

Its insanity!!

Btw, the Colliseum had a roof! :D

well, it's over, and despite all the complaints of it being too old and so on, I thought the Olympiastadion looked magnificent throughout the tournament, easily the most elegant stadium in Germany, despite all the complaints it's still a great stadium, and one of my favourites.

this tournament was great to be honest, and the stadiums were all excellent, well done Germany

Some of those tracking shots though the gap in the roof above the olympic flame were pretty amazing last night.

Another nice panorama pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Berlin_Olympiastadion_aussen.jpg

(what is that tree doing there?)

More wikipedia pics from various stadiums ;)

Signal Iduna Park:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Westfalenstadion_048-15-verfremdet.jpg/800px-Westfalenstadion_048-15-verfremdet.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Westfalenstadion_050_17.jpg/800px-Westfalenstadion_050_17.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Westfalenstadion_038_5.jpg/400px-Westfalenstadion_038_5.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Westfalenstadion_070_17.jpg/800px-Westfalenstadion_070_17.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Westfalenstadion_042_9dunkel.jpg/400px-Westfalenstadion_042_9dunkel.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/f/f2/Westfalenstadion_Dortmund_2.JPG/800px-Westfalenstadion_Dortmund_2.JPG

Fritz-Walter-Stadion:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/FIFA-Fritz-Walter-Stadion02.JPG/800px-FIFA-Fritz-Walter-Stadion02.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/FIFA-Fritz-Walter-Stadion06.JPG/800px-FIFA-Fritz-Walter-Stadion06.JPG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/Kaiserslautern_03.jpg

Commerzbank-Arena

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/6/68/Frankfurt_-_ARG-NED.jpg

Rhein-Energie-Stadion

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/RheinEnergieStadion_K%C3%B6ln_001.jpg/800px-RheinEnergieStadion_K%C3%B6ln_001.jpg

Another nice panorama pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Berlin_Olympiastadion_aussen.jpg

(what is that tree doing there?)


Oak tree near main entrance (klick 1914) (http://www.olympiastadion-berlin.de/index.php?id=515)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/wmspecial/fotos/wm_tagebuch/20060709/350/153.jpg

I definitely loved the one in Berlin and Munich. They were both my favorite stadiums. Had no choice and voted for both of them and it comes out to be that they are both the most voted from you all. The Munich one especially, is gorgeous!

Allianz Arena. It's a no brainer!! :)

Not being a Handball fan myself this collection of arenas still impresses me. Around 320,000 tickets are for sale which will make it by far the biggest Handball World Championship ever. The tournament starts january 19 and ends february 4th 2007.

Capacity numbers are taken from the official DHB site (http://www.handball-wm-2007.de/front_content.php?idcat=39) and ( stadionwelt.de (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=news&news_id=297) ) . The stadionwelt numbers are for Bundesliga matches I guess, but I decided to post both.
I linked the arena names to more pictures of the arenas where possible.

Kölnarena (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=koelnarena&id=1) capacity: 19,000 (19,250)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/koelnarena/107.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/koelnarena/131.jpg


Mannheim - SAP ARENA (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=sap_arena&id=379) capacity: 13,200 (14,500)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/sap_arena/140.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/sap_arena/150.jpg


Hamburg - Color Line Arena (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=color_line_arena&id=2) capacity: 12,500 (13,800)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/color_line_arena/100.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/color_line_arena/380.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/color_line_arena/410.jpg


Westfalenhalle Dortmund capacity: 12,000

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/90/Westfalenhalle_1.jpg/800px-Westfalenhalle_1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/94/Westfalenhalle_2.jpg/800px-Westfalenhalle_2.jpg


Halle - Gerry Weber Stadion (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=gerry_weber_stadion&id=391) capacity: 11,000 (12,300)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/gerry_weber_stadion/120.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/gerry_weber_stadion/340.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/gerry_weber_stadion/450.jpg


more...

... and the rest of 'em:

Kiel - Ostseehalle (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=ostseehalle&id=5) capacity: 10,200 (10,250)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/ostseehalle/190.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/ostseehalle/260.jpg


Berlin - Max-Schmeling-Halle (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=max_schmeling_halle&id=208) capacity: 10,000 (9,000)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/max_schmeling_halle/200.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/max_schmeling_halle/440.jpg


Bremen - AWD-Dome (http://www.awd-dome-bremen.de/awd_dome/foto_main.php) capacity: 9,200

http://www.awd-dome-bremen.de/awd_dome/fotos/bigpic/46_AWD-Dome.jpg

http://www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/02_large.jpg


Magdeburg - Bördelandhalle (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=boerdelandhalle&id=6) capacity: 7,850 (8,789)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/boerdelandhalle/210.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/boerdelandhalle/710.jpg


Stuttgart - Porsche Arena capacity: 6,100

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/sonstige_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/porsche_arena/100.jpg


Lemgo - Lipperlandhalle (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=lipperlandhalle&id=18) capacity: 5,000

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/lipperlandhalle/130.jpg


Wetzlar - Mittelhessen-Arena (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=mittelhessen_arena&id=373) capacity: 5,000

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/mittelhessen_arena/100.jpg


Surprisingly Hannovers mighty Tui Arena (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/index.php?template=handball_hallen&action=laender&land=deutschland&foto_ordner=tui_arena&id=3) (capacity 13,800) is not a site:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/tui_arena/280.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/handball_hallen/hallenlisten/deutschland/tui_arena/120.jpg


The arenas are spread all over Germany, so everybody has a chance to watch some games.
:runaway:

Porsche deserves a better arena than that!

Porsche deserves a better arena than that!

It's brandnew! Don't judge by size only. For a car company Porsche is small, too. But it's got quality and that's what I expect from the Porsche Arena. I could only find a photo of an unfinished arena from the inside.

Porsche Arena homepage (english) (http://www.porsche-arena.de/englisch)

http://i5.tinypic.com/23m4krd.jpg

Those are some nice looking venues for handball. Do you reckon it will sell out? I don't know how big the Handball WC is really.

Those are some nice looking venues for handball. Do you reckon it will sell out? I don't know how big the Handball WC is really.

100,000 tickets have already been sold.

In february 2004 a world record for an indoor game of (club) handball was set in the match between VfL Gummersbach and SC Magdeburg with 19,154 in the Kölnarena.
This record was broken when TBV Lemgo met THW Kiel in front of 30,925 fans in the Veltins Arean auf Schalke in september 2004.

So I guess they won't have problems selling tickets. Some unattractive matchups might not sell out.
The Handball Bundesliga which is said to be the best league in the world these days is booming and set a new record with an average attendance of 4,575 last season. VfL Gummersbach had the highest with 10.500 per game followed by Kiel with 10.250.

Okay, now I know more about handball than ever before :cheer: . And I'm much more into football, icehockey and basketball...

That's some serious handball

Some cracking venues. Germany really has some great stadiums and arenas. But in my opinion these Arenas are way to big for Handball WC. Surely all games of Germany and the final will sell out but who is interested in a game between Brasil-Tunesia. Some arenas will only be half-full. Maybe they should have chosen some great Arenas as Cologne, Hamburg, Berlin and a couple of small ones for the less-interesting games "Lemgo, Wetzlar, Alster,Velodorm,..."
.

Germany has some fantastic indoor arenas. Unlike Switzerland who's venues almost fall apart. :bash:

Its an interesting idea to have the games spread all over Germany. I imagen it must have been a tough sell or perhaps the big arenas did the trick...?

Germany has a very impressive collection of Arenas for a European country. Any of these are better than the best one my country (The Netherlands) has to offer, most are even lightyears ahead.

I understand that Handball is a very popular sport (the number one indoorsport perhaps?) in Germany.

the number one indoorsport perhapsNo. Ice Hockey is more popular - 2005/2006 6,064

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sports_attendance_figures

Fabulous! These are high-class arenas, for sure :drool:

wonderful arenas, going to be one beauty of an event

I'd like to have Germany-France final
Germany's great when it comes to build top of the line versatiles arenas. best european championship huge tv coverage. far ahead of those of Northern Europe, Spain or France.

HOw come the Tui Arena is no part of the wc. it's insane.

Great venues! GO Germany!

For me its these two stadiums

http://www.uefa-archiv.de/Stadien/berlin4.jpg

http://www.stussyswelt.de/bilder/010929_schalke/010929_schalke_06.jpg

Good to see that this thread is still alive. Let's get to 500 votes! ;)

more pics from the VIP boxes in the Olympiastadion in Berlin:

http://www.hertha-vip.de/fileadmin/galerie/Loge/CP-d4-HBSC-Glad04-337.jpg
http://www.hertha-vip.de/fileadmin/galerie/Loge/sportfive%20loge.jpg
http://www.hertha-vip.de/fileadmin/galerie/Loge/CP-d4-HBSC-Glad04-1.jpg

what a stadium

Any pics?

Maybe a short vid of the last minutes of the 2nd overtime of an exciting semifinal between Germany and France (with original comment)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QN70fpAGII

Any pics?

Maybe a short vid of the last minutes of the 2nd overtime of an exciting semifinal between Germany and France (with original comment)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QN70fpAGII

After the Germany - Spain quarterfinal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukowh2tSnnU
Last minutes of Germany - Poland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eam-Z_CCpcA or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpuiodRg1w0

Thanks for the link. Most pictures are gone because stadionwelt is not free anymore. Too bad.

I'll see if I can get some new pics. The tournament was great. Even for me (not being a handball fan). Quaterfinals and semifinals where extremly close games for Germany while the final was one big celebration.
More than 300,000 fans saw the 92 games. By far the biggest number in handball world cup history.

Cologne:
http://www.vfl-gummersbach.de/images/hallen/koelnarena.jpg

The venues (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idart=581)
more photos of the venues (click on the cities to see pics) (http://www.wm2007-koelnarena.de/index.php?folder=wm_2007&site=spielplan)

Cologne (http://www.vfl-gummersbach.de/images/koelnarena_03_1500.jpg)
more of Cologne (http://www.wm2007-koelnarena.de/index.php?folder=koelnarena&site=fotos_innen)
even more Cologne (http://www.wm2007-koelnarena.de/index.php?folder=koelnarena&site=fotos_aussen)
Hamburg Colorline Arena (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcatart=820&start=&view=upload%2FPhoto_Gallery%2FGermany_2007%2FDay_10%2F070201_IHF-POL-DEN-09.jpg)
Dortmund (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcatart=798&start=&view=upload%2FPhoto_Gallery%2FGermany_2007%2FDay_8%2F070125_IHF_TUN-GER-12.jpg)
Gerry Weber Stadium (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcatart=747&start=&view=upload%2FPhoto_Gallery%2FGermany_2007%2FDay_3%2FIMG_1651.jpg)
Max-Schmeling Hall (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcatart=734&start=&view=upload%2FPhoto_Gallery%2FGermany_2007%2FDay_1%2FIMG_0562.jpg)
Colone the Champions (http://www.ihf.info/front_content.php?idcatart=827&start=&view=upload%2FPhoto_Gallery%2FGermany_2007%2FDay_12%2FNA1H9997.jpg)

Semifinal: Germany vs France (http://www.stern.de/sport-motor/sportwelt/581696.html?backref=%2Fsport-motor%2Fsportwelt%2F%3AReaktionen-Das-Traum%2C%2F581701.html%3Feid%3D580593&nv=fs&cp=1)

Color Line Arena, Hamburg
http://www.viewers.de/bilder/ead1482700.jpg

Can anyone tell me why this proposal of the stadium for Cologne wasnt realized?
Why was gmps proposal favoured?

http://www.buenck.fehse.com/projects/sport_leisure/files/page4-1018-full.jpg
http://www.buenck.fehse.com/projects/sport_leisure/files/page4-1019-full.jpg

Beats the shit out of the current stadium which is too small anyways...

Woow no doubt it was a good proposal. What about capacity?

Good question.
I dont know.

Ive just read that one of the reasons why it wasnt taken was because it would have cost too much.


Furthermore this stupid statement:

Insgesamt ist festzustellen, dass der vorliegende Entwurf aus der klassischen antiken Arena-Typologie abgeleitet wird und gerade deshalb nur schwierig in diesen zukunftsorientierten Sportpark zu integrieren ist.

Which translates into something like this:

On a whole it has to be said that this concept was derived from the classical, "ancient" arena type.
Because of this its diificult to incorporate this proposal into the future oriented sportspark.

:nuts: :bash:

This happens when you let those architecture professors decide on a stadium even though theyve probably never been to a football game.
Really, this is about the most stupid statement that Ive read recently.
The funny thing is that its the current stadium which looks oldfashioned.


Another pic of Max Dudlers proposal:

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/images/5_preis_570.jpg

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/index.php?rubrik=umbau&unterrubrik=planung&bereich=preis5

i like it but prefer the current design

Perhaps they just didnt want a carbon clone of every other new ground being built.

Seating bowl is basically da Luz version 3 or 4.

Exactly! Every ground built now is just a copy of it. Emirates, COMS, Wembley, Allianz to a certain extent and this new Anfield, are just a few examples of non-imaginative design.

I wouldn't say that Allianz or Wembley copy it so much beyond being large three teir bowls. I put Allianz up near the top for most boring looking stadium for sure. I don't think HKS has released the renders for the new anfield yet, but they are promising a big steep Kop end last I heard.

I'm on about the renderes in the public domain atm, but no doubt the new ones will have a curve somewhere in an upper deck.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1779/luzclonefe7.png

i like it but prefer the current design

Do you honestly think that this looks better?

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/luftbilder/sommer_2004/Luftbild-NordWest_2004_570.jpg
http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/tribuenen/west/bild_01.jpg
http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/tribuenen/west/bild_04.jpg

Perhaps they just didnt want a carbon clone of every other new ground being built.

Why?
Back then there was no Da Luz, Allianz or Emirates stadium.
The stadium in Cologne would have been one of the first of its kind in europe.
(Construction on the current stadium began in the beginning of 2002, and was finished in 2004)

Btw, the stadium has cost 119,5 Mio. Euro.
Thats quite a big sum for such a thing.

Do you honestly think that this looks better?

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/luftbilder/sommer_2004/Luftbild-NordWest_2004_570.jpg
http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/tribuenen/west/bild_01.jpg
http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/tribuenen/west/bild_04.jpg

Yes, the other design is boring. It doesn't fit into the surrounds at all. Its just wrapped in that fancy glass which might be impressive to some but not to me.
I love the simplicity of the current design. The tall structures which rise from each corner. The lego like facade which is quite cool at night and the way in which the roof sort of hovers above the stadium.

My opinion is that a three tier stadium is just way better than a two tier one.
The design of the stadium is also outdated imo.
It should have resembled the classical english football ground.
However nobody in England is building these kind of stadiums anymore.
The exterior is also a bit bland imo and looks cheap.
A glass facade like in Dudlers proposal would have looked much more modern and sophisticated.
I also think that the stadium would have fitted well into the surroundings.
It has a lot of presence.
However it might have gotten a bit dark inside.

I really like the existing stadium but it is too small, they sell out in the 2nd league. Are they going to add another tier anytime soon or will this be impossible? A 3rd tier on the main stand for an extra 7000 seats is needed I think.

yeah the stadium is way too small.
another reason why the current desing was wrong.
I dont think that any further expansions are being planned though.

I'm on about the renderes in the public domain atm, but no doubt the new ones will have a curve somewhere in an upper deck.

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1779/luzclonefe7.png

I see your point, but curving the sides up is quite common, the end lines comming up as sharp as they do a the da Luz and Emirates is what makes them so similar. They are virtual carbon copies. The upper deck in plan at those two is an exact elipse with the lower two be rounded in the corners and fairly strait along the side and end lines. Where as wembley and Allianz just round a little more on the side lines of the upper teir. These are definately in the same general family of large new abstract stadiums. I hate Allianz, mostly because it replaced, in my opinion the most beautiful stadium yet built. Emirates has a cool exterior, but the lower teir is way to shallow and the bowl is a basically the Da Luz. Which has a better bowl but a very utilitarian facade. Wembley a little dissapointing. I think that is mostly because because it is the most expensive ever built, and being Wembley if HOK did not deliver the best stadium in the world it would be dissipointing. i would hate to have to design a stadium with the bar set that high, because people will be by default dissapointed. You do have a point with the old stanley park proposal, although I definately liked it better than the afore mentioned facilities.

The orginal Emirates Stadium design had been around since 2000.

http://www.stadion-koeln.de/templates/stadion/fotos/luftbilder/sommer_2004/Luftbild-NordWest_2004_570.jpg
This is a very smart stadium. I think it looks the business both inside and out. Quite a bit better than the other one.In fact one of the best new stadiums in Europe. Very cool.The terraced bit makes it look a bit half finished though.

Another Cologne design here (http://www.nicholashare.co.uk/artssport/e584_key.htm), but this one isn't shown too much. From what I see here I still think the one that was built was far best of all bids.

I actually like the current Cologne stadium. It's a bit kooky, but still cool at the same time. The other proposal is basically Emirates on the inside with a different facade outside.

The stadium they have now, is a real football stadium, I prefer the present one every day.
Specialy the roof of the other design makes it a basketballarena...
from the inside it is a copy from the Emirates/ da Luz. No I prefer the one they have now any day. Maybe they can make it a bit bigger in the future...
but they play second division at the moment, so I think there is no need for that at the present time.

I followed the discussions about the Cologne WC Stadium from its very beginning, and I always prefered the Option which was finally realized. I just think it is the most beautiful, the most classical and the best fitting option of all.

- the "Abel-Bauten", the buildings behind the north stand, which had to be involved in the new construction, are straight, "square" (do you say so?). The stadium is the same, the one checker would have favoured is totally round.

- I like the idea of real "ends". Two stands, partly separated from the rest of the stadium, for two opposing fan groups.

- I love the light coloumns carrying the roof. They look smart at light and brilliant at night.

- The actual roof is perfect for a natural grass pitch. It covers the spectators and nothing else. So it lets as much light in as possible. In the project Checker prefers, the roof is curved and therefore covers big areas of the field. This means less rain, less sunlight ans less fresh air for the pitch!

- Also a "closed" glass fassade would have caused big problems for the pitch. The grass needs as much of air circulation as possible. The realised design takes care about this demand and offers five major "air tunnels" in and between the stands.

- The option preferred by Checker would have been far more expensive. This is what you see immediately when looking at the renderings, and this is what I saw when studying the proposals years ago. Checker, if you like, search for the figures in the former forum of Stadionwelt (2004800.homepagemodules.de). The model you like so much would have been a little bit bigger, but just unaffordable.


For me, the RheinEnergieStadion in is actual version was the best choice by far. For aesthetical, financial and technical reasons. And I never understood the euphoric statements about the "Colosseum" model.

hi urmel
i didn't know you were also here :)

- IMO the current one was easier to built in 4 parts (which was a requirement)

hi urmel
i didn't know you were also here :)
Seldom, dear Sercan. Very seldom.

- IMO the current one was easier to built in 4 parts (which was requirement)Fine. Another point I should have added to my list.

why?
many old stadionwelt guys are here :D


BTW is a 3rd tier possible?

Maybe they can make it a bit bigger in the future...
but they play second division at the moment, so I think there is no need for that at the present time.

They sell out all the time in the second division.
So its even too small for that.
Cologne is a big city and the stadium is just not appropriate size-wise.
I dont have any idea how they would ever manage to enlarge the thing.
Stupidly they have left out the corners which will make it very difficult like in Dortmund.

I also wonder why the stadium was so expensive.
The stands are being held up by concrete pilons.
There isnt a real glass exterior.
Its the cheapest way of building stands really.
So on what was all the money spent?

Can they remove the roof & add another tier, then replace the roof? (If the foundations are strong enough that is!)

They sell out all the time in the second division.
So its even too small for that.
Cologne is a big city and the stadium is just not appropriate size-wise.
I dont have any idea how they would ever manage to enlarge the thing.
Stupidly they have left out the corners which will make it very difficult like in Dortmund.

I also wonder why the stadium was so expensive.
The stands are being held up by concrete pilons.
There isnt a real glass exterior.
Its the cheapest way of building stands really.
So on what was all the money spent?
maybe because it was built in 4 parts?

maybe because it was built in 4 parts?

the Commerzbank arena was also built in 4 parts.
Its also bigger and looks more sophisticated imo.
The stadium in Frankfurt has cost 126 million compared to 119,5 million that the Rhein-Energy stadium has cost.

Can they remove the roof & add another tier, then replace the roof? (If the foundations are strong enough that is!)

Maybe.
but then the "futuristic" desing would collapse.
theyve also left out the corners which will make any expansion quite difficult.

the Waldstadion was also built in 4 parts.
Its also bigger and looks more sophisticated imo.
The stadium in Frankfurt has cost 126 million compared to 119,5 million that the Müngersdorfer Stadion has cost.

:bash:

according to my stadionwelt magazine frankfurts costs 188 mil euro?!?

according to my stadionwelt magazine frankfurts costs 188 mil euro?!?

no thats with infrastructure costs.
In both cases (Cologne and Frankfurt) I have left out the infrastructure costs.

Cologne's capacity is about right, maybe 60000 would be better but that would be the max. In division 2 they averaged 41900 this year which is very good but is still 8500 short of capacity. The previous year they sold out most their games in the top division...but Cologne have been shite for about 20 years, so the stadium designers probably took this into account as Cologne are always bouncing between the 2 divisions. Funnily enough, Cologne are now vastly inferior to their rivals Bayer Leverkusen and have been for about 15 years. Bayer Leverkusen have a very small stadium (lovely stadium though, 22500 capacity) yet have enjoyed far more success recently than Cologne (including a Champions League final that they came close to winning).

yeah but they have Bayer's money to spend. Cologne are the real fans club.

I don't see how having money makes you any less of a club?? If that's the case then half the Premiership are not real clubs because they get loads of money from big companies like Sky etc.

I went to 5 of the world cup stadiums last year - and Cologne was my favourite. It was the only one that felt like a football stadium rather than a sporting venue. The four stands made it feel like an old ground but the facilities and the space (especially the legroom and rake of the stands) was distinctly modern. The best of both worlds.

The alternative plan looks impressive, but as has been said elsewhere, it's not all that different to half the new stadiums going up in Europe over the last few years.

Bayer Leverkusen have a very small stadium (lovely stadium though, 22500 capacity) yet have enjoyed far more success recently than Cologne (including a Champions League final that they came close to winning).

Ever been to this piece of crap? Leverkusen's stadium sucks. And together with Munich and Wolfsburg the worst supporters in the Bundesliga.
I don't like Cologne, but i wish they were in the first league instead of Leverkusen.
Concerning the stadium design: i don't like it very much, especially the open corners. I like ovals (like our Waldstadion) much more. But it's ok. No need for the alternative plan.

Bayer Leverkusen have a very small stadium (lovely stadium though, 22500 capacity) yet have enjoyed far more success recently than Cologne (including a Champions League final that they came close to winning).

Yeah, the Bayarena will be expanded at the end of this year to around 30,000-35,000.

BTW is a 3rd tier possible?

I would say: NO! The stadium is "finished", all foundations, the roof, the accesses, the infrastructure, it was ll planned and constructed for 45.000 seats or 50.000 Bundesliga Fans.
Of course, impossible is nothing, but the expenses for maybe 10.000 additional seats would be horrifying.

The biggest Problem might be the roof which is a kind of "balanced" construction, just hanging like a suspension bridge. If you increase the roof's weight at its ends, I don't know if it might collapse, but I'm quite sure this balance would be disturbed.


When they planned the stadium, i suppose they just dis not expect this increase of interest in German football. The same problem they have in Hamburg and Schalke, partly also in Frankfurt and Munich. 50.000 like in Cologne sounded pretty much and definitely enough for decades, but know (as the stadium turns out to be such a beauty), they discover that 5.000 additional seats would have been a good investment.

Too late, bad luck. But could we expect this attendance boom? I really always was an optimistic guy, but THIS was even beyond my imagination. And I did not have to invest hundreds of Millions in stadia without knowing whether they might be too big in a few years. They had to make their decition, they had to pay for it immediately, and they had to take the risk of miscalculations at that time.

Just one figure: in the 2000/01 season, at the time the people in Cologne hat to decide about the reconstruction, cologne attracted an average attendance of 34.251, according to european-football-statistics.co.uk. Not the match against Bayern Munich was sold out, nor were the derbies against Leverkusen, Schalke or Dortmund.

Would anyone - at this time - have expected building "only" a 50.000-stadium could be a missed chance?

Ever been to this piece of crap? Leverkusen's stadium sucks. And together with Munich and Wolfsburg the worst supporters in the Bundesliga.
I don't like Cologne, but i wish they were in the first league instead of Leverkusen.
Concerning the stadium design: i don't like it very much, especially the open corners. I like ovals (like our Waldstadion) much more. But it's ok. No need for the alternative plan.

Yes its small, and the supporters aren't especially vocal (especially compared to places like Hamburg), but I really like the BayArena. The sightlines are phenominal and the legroom is good enough and everyone is very close to the pitch. I wish some of the MLS teams had/would use a plan like this for a model.

When they planned the stadium, i suppose they just dis not expect this increase of interest in German football. The same problem they have in Hamburg and Schalke, partly also in Frankfurt and Munich.

Yeah, the same old problem.....:bash:
This is what happens if you take into the account the average viewing figure that you get in a rathole like the Müngersdorfer stadion, and then think that in a brand new arena the attendance will be the same.
Simply stupid....


50.000 like in Cologne sounded pretty much and definitely enough for decades, but know (as the stadium turns out to be such a beauty), they discover that 5.000 additional seats would have been a good investment.

They could sell out 60,000 on many league matches in the first league if not way more...

Too late, bad luck. But could we expect this attendance boom?

Yes absolutely.
I was one of them.
I always thought that Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne and Schalke (although to a lesser degree should have invested a bit more to make sure that they really come with a good cap.
I also remember a discussion that I had in the Stadionwelt Forum.
I stated that 50,000 is just not enough for Werder.
they need a proper 60k ground.
For that statement I was instantly heavily attacked by people who honestly think that 50k is way enough simply because of the average viewing figures that they get now.
Well, wake the hell up is my response. Look around.
Right now they are playing in an unattractive athletics bowl.
Its just common sense that the attendance will go up dramatically once theyll play in a proper football stadium.
But no-one would listen.
Instead of using common sense the stadium planners have used mathematical calculations to figure out the future attendances.
Big mistake.....

I really always was an optimistic guy, but THIS was even beyond my imagination.

Why?
Cologne is a city with a million inhabitants.
Hamburg has around 2,5 million.
Just take a look at what stadiums are being built in other countries for that sort of city size.
The brits imo are fa more optimistic in this department.
And rightfully so.
We are just too bloody pessimistic.
Btw: Ive also stated that Bayer should built itself atleast a 40-43k stadium.
What response did I get in Stadionwelt?
People were claiming that I had no idea of what I was talking about......

Btw: Ive also stated that Bayer should built itself atleast a 40-43k stadium.
What response did I get in Stadionwelt?
People were claiming that I had no idea of what I was talking about......To be honest: I also and still think that 50.000 is a good size for Bremen and 30.000 for Leverkusen.

Bremen - realistcally - would have no chance to increase the stadium at its current site to more than the 50.000. Propably not financially, maybe not even technically, but mainly not politically. The protest of the neighbours was massive and could only be calmed down by the very "correct" way the club planned and announced the new stadium. For a 60.000-people-staduim there would not have been any chance for any agreement with the neighbours and therefore no bigger stadium at all. At least not at this site.
Besides that, I don't think Werder Bremen has the fan base for regularily selling out a 60.000-people-stadium. And adding seats on the top of a stadium of this size is just fucking expensive (huge ans complex supporting constructions, static needs, a bigger and higher roof, more parkings, better infrastructure, etc.), so it can only pay if you really sell them regularily. If you sell the seats number 50.001 to 60.000 only in six or eight, in good years maybe ten matches a season, you will never get your investments in return.


And Leverkusen with 40.000 seats even makes less sense. Did you have a closer look on the crowds in the last years? I was there personally three times last season (on company tickets, I would never pay for this), and in all those matches, the stadium was "sold out", but not full. You always see hundrets, if not even a thousand of those green plastic seats. The interest in Bayer Leverkusen playing football is just not big enough to fill a 40k-stadium. Even the 30k-BayArena won't be sold out very often. I am absolutely sure about this.

To be honest: I also and still think that 50.000 is a good size for Bremen and 30.000 for Leverkusen.

Bremen - realistcally - would have no chance to increase the stadium at its current site to more than the 50.000. Propably not financially, maybe not even technically, but mainly not politically. The protest of the neighbours was massive and could only be calmed down by the very "correct" way the club planned and announced the new stadium. For a 60.000-people-staduim there would not have been any chance for any agreement with the neighbours and therefore no bigger stadium at all. At least not at this site.
Besides that, I don't think Werder Bremen has the fan base for regularily selling out a 60.000-people-stadium. And adding seats on the top of a stadium of this size is just fucking expensive (huge ans complex supporting constructions, static needs, a bigger and higher roof, more parkings, better infrastructure, etc.), so it can only pay if you really sell them regularily. If you sell the seats number 50.001 to 60.000 only in six or eight, in good years maybe ten matches a season, you will never get your investments in return.


And Leverkusen with 40.000 seats even makes less sense. Did you have a closer look on the crowds in the last years? I was there personally three times last season (on company tickets, I would never pay for this), and in all those matches, the stadium was "sold out", but not full. You always see hundrets, if not even a thousand of those green plastic seats. The interest in Bayer Leverkusen playing football is just not big enough to fill a 40k-stadium. Even the 30k-BayArena won't be sold out very often. I am absolutely sure about this.

Dont know really.
To be fair at the moment Leverkusen certainly doesnt need a 40k arena.
But thats because they have been transformed into a grey mouse since Calmund left.
Its realistic however that the club gets its act together once again and starts to play for a CL place.
When they got into the final in 2002 Leverkusen was probably the team with the smallest stadium that has ever made it into a CL-final.
Im sure that they could fill 40k when they would play even nearly as successfull as they used to.
Cologne hasnt got a team in the first league so youve got plenty of supporters who like to watch a first league game now and then.
30k imo is not enough though.
Make it 35 and thatll be ok. But right now a 35?k arena is being built in bloody Sinsheim for a club that has just made it into league two.
And Wolfsburg also has a fairly big ground even though they arent very successfiull and even though theyve got a tiny fanbase.
Right now the stadium is too big for them but that can change so quickly.
Its all about future prospects.
And Leverkusen simply needs an average sized stadium.
35k is really the minimum.

Bremen shouldve also gone up to atleast 55k.
I know hat this would have been very difficult because of the residents.
Although the main problem was the traffic concept.
Its ridiculous anyways that such a big fuss is being made out of an additional 8k.
But technically speaking the club needs 60k.
Its right now one of the best clubs we have in this country and such teams simply need big stadiums.
We have been far to conservative when judging the future capacities of stadiums like Frankfurt, Cologne or Munich.
We shouldnt do the same mistake again.
Im sure that Bremen could sell out 60k regularly.
Just look at what kind of stadiums are being built in other countries whose leagues have far less stadium visitors.
Stuttgart is another case btw.
They should built a proper new ground in the region of the Da Luz.
Will be an unrealistic scenario (yes I know) because the swabians dont like to mess with any sorts of debts.

Thanks to Patrick

Stadiums and Arenas in Germany with its own thread:

BERIN | O2 World | 15,500 | Completed (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=444156)
DORTMUND | Westfalenstadion | 80,552 | Completed (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=212463)
GELSENKIRCHEN | Arena AufSchalke | 61,673 | Completed (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=755170)
MÜNCHEN | Allianz-Arena | 69,901 | Completed (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=33445)

BREMEN | Weserstadion | 43,000 | Under construction (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=444861)

STUTTGART | Neckarstadion | 60,000 | Proposed (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=654602)

Stadiums and Arenas in this thread:

BIELEFELD | Almstadion | 28,008 | Completed | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22271688#post22271688)
COTTBUS | Stadion der Freundschaft | 22,528 | Completed | Some photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=30289716#post30289716)
MÜNCHEN | Olympiastadion | 69,250 | Completed | Some photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=21658227#post21658227)
OBERSTDORF | Schattenbergstadion and Heidi-Klopfer-Schanze (Ski-Jumping) | 27,000 and 40,000 | Completed | Some photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22771126#post22771126)
SINSHEIM | Rhein-Neckar-Arena | 30,000 | Completed | Some photos here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=30874300#post30874300) and at nearly every other page of this thread.

AACHEN | Neuer Tivoli | 32,000 | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=27427598#post27427598) | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=30246328#post30246328)
AUGSBURG | Impuls-Arena | 30,119 | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22657852#post22657852) | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=31029984#post31029984)
BERLIN | Stadion an der Alten Försterei | 23,000 | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=29724944#post29724944)
DRESDEN | Rudolf-Harbig-Stadion | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22211748#post22211748) | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=31029448#post31029448)
FRANKFURT | Stadion am Bornheimer Hang | 10,300 | Under construction | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=25756444#post25756444)
HAMBURG | Millerntor-Stadion | 27,000 | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=27438622#post27438622) | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=18235062#post18235062)
LEVERKUSEN | Bay-Arena | 30,000 | Under construction | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=17101917#post17101917) | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=30612004#post30612004)

FRANKFURT | Rhein-Main-Arena | 12,500 | Proposed | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=16356962#post16356962)
OFFENBACH | Stadion am Bieberer Berg | 29,300 | Proposed | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=24582236#post24582236)

GELSENKIRCHEN | Parkstadion | 62,004 | Demolished | Latest photos (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22184598#post22184598)

Stadium-Overview 1. Fußball-Bundesliga 2008/09 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=21459964#post21459964)
Stadium-Overview 2. Fußball-Bundesliga 2008/09 (new teams only) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=21449996#post21449996)
Stadium-Overview 2. Fußball-Bundesliga 2007/08 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=19525851#post19525851)
Stadium-Overview 3. Fußball-Liga 2008/09 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=21494319#post21494319)
Stadium-Overview Fußball-Regionalliga 2008/09 (Nord, Süd and West) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22684166#post22684166)
Stadium-Overview Fußball-Oberliga 2008/09 (prominent teams only) (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=22691488#post22691488)


FRANKFURT | Rhein-Main-Arena | 12,500 | Proposed | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=16356962#post16356962)
JENA | Ernst-Abbe-Sportfeld | 20,643 | Proposed | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=31391760#post31391760)
OFFENBACH | Stadion am Bieberer Berg | 29,300 | Proposed | Renderings (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=24582236#post24582236)
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Renderings for the three final proposals of Alemannia Aachens new stadium.
Itll have a cap of 32.000

Option 1 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_9/index.htm)

Option 2 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_13/index.htm)

Option 3 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_15/index.htm)

The 3rd one looks nearly the same like Leverkusen's.

Yes a bit.
Option one also remids me of the new stadium in Bern.

1st Alemannia stadium - Virtually the RheinEnergie Stadion
2nd Alemannia stadium - A smaller Signal Iduna Park
3rd Alemannia stadium - Copy of the BayArena

Renderings for the three final proposals of Alemannia Aachens new stadium.
Itll have a cap of 32.000

Option 1 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_9/index.htm)

Option 2 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_13/index.htm)

Option 3 (http://www.alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/stadionmodell_bieter_nr_15/index.htm)

The first one's just horrible. It looks like any other of those new cheapo-stadiums (see Magdeburg). I'd probably choose #3.

^^ All of those stadiums look like the new one of Magdeburg, but nicer

Hoffenheim construction from a birds eye view:

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/headPix/headneuesstadion.jpg

The FIFA Women's World Cup 2011 will take place in Germany in the following cites/stadias (Cityname (Home team), Traditional Name / Name during WC (Official Sponsored Name): International Capacity / Normal Capacity):

Augsburg (FC Augsburg), Stadion Augsburg (Impuls Arena): 26.000 / 31.000 (with stands). Can be extended to 42.000 / 51.000.
http://www.impuls-arena.de/images/arena_klein.jpg
http://fotos.fca07.de/d/12187-2/Perspektive1.jpg

Berlin (Hertha BSC Berlin), Olympiastadion: 74.000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Berlin_Olympiastadion_nach_Umbau.jpg/330px-Berlin_Olympiastadion_nach_Umbau.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Berlin_Olympiastadion_aussen.jpg/180px-Berlin_Olympiastadion_aussen.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/Olympiastadion_berlin_denis_apel.JPG/180px-Olympiastadion_berlin_denis_apel.JPG

Bielefeld (Arminia Bielefeld), Bielefelder Alm / Stadion Bielefeld (SchücoArena): 28.000
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/fileadmin/arminia/_bilder/saison06_07/Stadionbilder/Arena_Webl.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/typo3temp/pics/914fc6c0a2.jpg

Bochum (VfL Bochum), Ruhrstadion / Stadion Bochum (rewirpowerSTADION): 24.000 / 31.000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Bochum_Ruhrstation.jpg/800px-Bochum_Ruhrstation.jpg
http://www.meinvfl.de/kickit/upload/webseite/verein/Stadion/stadion_luft06.jpg
http://www.footballmatch.de/Stadien/bochum.jpg

Dresden (Dynamo Dresden), Rudolf-Harbig-Stadion: 27.000 / 32.000
http://www.das-neue-dresden.de/images/2006/stadion.jpg

Essen (Rot-Weiss Essen), Georg-Melches-Stadion: 26.000 / 32.000
http://www.jawattdenn.de/fotos/stadionneubau/3.jpg
http://www.jawattdenn.de/fotos/stadionneubau/5.jpg
http://www.jawattdenn.de/fotos/stadionneubau/6.jpg

Frankfurt (Eintracht Frankfurt), Waldstadion / Stadion Frankfurt (Commerzbank-Arena): 49.000 / 52.000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Commerzbank-Arena-Luftbild.jpg/800px-Commerzbank-Arena-Luftbild.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Comm.jpg/800px-Comm.jpg

Leverkusen (Bayer Leverkusen), Ulrich-Haberland-Stadion / Stadion Leverkusen (BayArena): 30.000
http://www.sport.bayer.de/img/content/Sportst%E4tten/bayarena_modell_07_280.jpg
http://www.sport.bayer.de/img/content/Sportst%E4tten/bayarena_modell3_07_280.jpg

Magdeburg (1. FC Magdeburg), Ernst-Grube-Stadion / Stadion Magdeburg: 25.000 / 27.000
http://www.stadion-magdeburg.info/images/1190275373.jpg
http://www.stadion-magdeburg.info/9227/images/stadion-01-10.12.06.JPG

Mönchengladbach (Borussia Mönchengladbach), Stadion im Borussia-Park: 46.000 / 54.000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/22/Borussia-Park_Innenansicht.jpg/800px-Borussia-Park_Innenansicht.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/e9/Borussiasuedseite.jpg

Sinsheim (TSG Hoffenheim), Hopp-Stadion/TSG-Arena (?): 25.000
http://www.dfb.de/typo3temp/pics/42ad5c0f0c.jpg

Wolfsburg (VfL Wolfsburg), Stadion Wolfsburg (Volkswagen-Arena): 25.000 / 30.000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/5/5a/Wolfsburg_stadion.jpg/800px-Wolfsburg_stadion.jpg
http://www.stadionfuehrer.de/stadion_vflwolfsburg.jpg
http://www.fussballportal.de/bundesliga/stadien/imago01094957m.jpg

Madgeburg's stadium looks incredibly cheap.

Where is dusseldorf?
They have one of the most modern stadiums in germany with 55.000 seats. And their soccer-teams are at least twice as crappy as the ones from the other cities.

The city of Düsseldorf did not even try to get some games. The other candidate cities were Aachen, Dortmund, Duisburg, Freiburg, Hamburg, Hannover, Kaiserslautern, Karlsruhe, Köln, Leipzig and Mannheim.

Madgeburg's stadium looks incredibly cheap.

Thats because it was incredibly cheap:ohno:

Congratulations Germany. Hopefully, Canada won't lose another bid in 2015.

There will be some wonderful empty seats to look at in 2011. How are the accoustics? Will we be able to clearly hear the squealing of players as week shots bobble beyond inept keepers, or will the echoes distort it?

Don't watch if you don't appreciate good soccer. The rest of us would like to watch the talent and entertainment that is this tournament without your negativity.

Arenen of WC 2006 looser cities. Bremen and Düsseldorf huffy?

Will there be Dildos in the changing room?

Don't watch if you don't appreciate good soccer. The rest of us would like to watch the talent and entertainment that is this tournament without your negativity.

I appreciate good football. But I watched a lot of this year's women's world cup, and I saw a lot of awful goalkeeping (I've no complaints with the outfield players) - and a distinct lack of noise from the stands. Not being negative - just think it's a little strange to play the finals in such large venues.

What attendance are expected for this event?
I'm surprised they chose stadiums of around 30'000.
I guess a group game without Germany doesn't get more than 5'000 spectators.

Don't watch if you don't appreciate good soccer. The rest of us would like to watch the talent and entertainment that is this tournament without your negativity.

I wouldn't call women's football good soccer. A male U17 game is better than the Women's World Cup. But to each his own.

the cities that will host the games are those who did´n host the games in male WC 2006 ?
that it ?

@ Max BGF:

I'm pretty sure our girls will help each other out with tongues and fingers ;-) no dildos necessary ;-)

Germany is a country of people that love big events. there are enough idiots to watch a group match between the ugly girls of northkorea against theier counterparts from belarus or wherever to fill in a 30.000-seater.

Can I just say regarding the German womens team - I would and every single one of them!

shame Bremen and Dusseldorf didnt get games but I like the fact theyve chosen different stadiums then the WC2006

Düsseldorf didn't apply as a candidate city. Bremen has difficulties with its infrastructure, so DFB doesn't want to stage any more internationals there. that might have been the reason they didn't place a candidature.

i reckon most world cup 2006 venues would have been too big for this women's tournament,on the other hand it's just fair to give other cities the chance to prove themselves.

Great chance for the Germans to showcase the smaller stadiums that missed out on the mens world cup tournament.

Düsseldorf didn't apply as a candidate city.
Thats a shame...

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dusseldorf_ltu1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/germany/nordrhein_westfalen/dusseldorf_ltu2.jpg

New arena for Frankfurt:

Cap: 12,500
Architscts: Coop Himmelblau
Cost: 100 million EUR

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B37AECC77-C5E4-4879-93F1-E374B3457F5A%7DPicture.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

Looks good although I would like it to have a bigger cap

^^ Yeah looks awesome.
What teams will play there?

Frankfurt Lions (hockey team) I suppose.

^^

yes and the basketballteam called Skyliners.

What a design! :eek:

Some pics of the construction works in Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/typo3temp/pics/63bcfab500.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/typo3temp/pics/e281ffb287.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/IMG_2979_01.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/071030_Neubau_Osttribuene_08.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/071030_Neubau_Osttribuene_09.jpg

New arena for Frankfurt:

Cap: 12,500
Architscts: Coop Himmelblau
Cost: 100 million EUR

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B37AECC77-C5E4-4879-93F1-E374B3457F5A%7DPicture.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

Looks good although I would like it to have a bigger cap
:uh::eek2::eek2::eek2::bow:

That arena isn't cheap...

Considering the finishes, cantilevering features and all that 100 million sounds about right. When a 12,000 seater gets built sort of bare bones here in the US $75 million would be a very good deal, so about what $125 million or whatever the excange rate is doing, that certainly isnt rediculous .

The construction works in Sinsheim are well underway aswell

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/15.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/7.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/10.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/16.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/6.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/4.jpg
http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion4/8.jpg

Official construction start of the new impuls-arena in Augsburg:

http://www.fcaugsburg.de/galerie/0708/s18/bilder/071116_003-1.jpg

More info about the arena can be found here:

http://www.impuls-arena.de/

New arena for Frankfurt:

Cap: 12,500
Architscts: Coop Himmelblau
Cost: 100 million EUR

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B37AECC77-C5E4-4879-93F1-E374B3457F5A%7DPicture.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

Looks good although I would like it to have a bigger cap

more info? such great architects, certainly one of my favourites.

I just hope they wont build it next to the C***A**.


1.: WALDSTADION!!!
2.: It will be located south of the Stadionbad. Quite next to the stadium.(Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=50.068964,8.649974&spn=0.00323,0.009978&t=k&z=17&om=1)).

1.: WALDSTADION!!!

allright, allright


2.: It will be located south of the Stadionbad. Quite next to the stadium.(Google Maps (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=50.068964,8.649974&spn=0.00323,0.009978&t=k&z=17&om=1)).

What a shame. They shouldve built it in the city imo.
It will look somewhat displaced next to the Waldstadion.
Got any more info btw?

currently not

The Bayarena in Leverkusen will be enlarged to 30k until 2009.
Cost: 56 million Euros

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_02.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_03.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_04.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_05.jpg

Video (http://www.enter3d.de/download/bayarena_sound_2_gross.wmv)

Shame that they still want to put up that ugly Bayer cross. :ohno:
The exterior doesnt convince me either.

What about the shadows? Wouldn't there be massive BAYER shadows on the field similar to what you're seeing in Schalke or Frankfurt?

What about the shadows? Wouldn't there be massive BAYER shadows on the field similar to what you're seeing in Schalke or Frankfurt?

Sure, and thats why I wonder why they want to put it up in the first place.

Construction progress in Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/tx_nwsoccertable/Bild_004.jpg

^^
What's will be the new capacity?

^^ around 28k (going up from 26,5k) So it wont be a big change.

New renders from Radio Bremen for the new Weserstadion:

http://www.radiobremen.de/galerien/index.php?uga=32&pid=1

Aparently they are still planning to turn it into a pure football arena although that will happen in another renovation later.

http://s5.directupload.net/images/071120/z5b7e9ol.jpg

The Bayarena in Leverkusen will be enlarged to 30k until 2009.
Cost: 56 million Euros

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_01.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_02.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_03.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_04.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/lev05_05.jpg

Video (http://www.enter3d.de/download/bayarena_sound_2_gross.wmv)

Shame that they still want to put up that ugly Bayer cross. :ohno:
The exterior doesnt convince me either.

London 2012 Olympic stadium twin.

Slightly redesigned exterior of the new stadium in Aachen:

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/images/news/1201190520.jpg

The Echo Arena in Liverpool has been opened:

http://www.england-360.co.uk/panos/liverpool/liverpool-arena-thumb.jpg

Construction pics from the Schüco-Arena in Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/080121_Neubau_Osttribuene_12.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/080121_Neubau_Osttribuene_11.jpg


Video on BayerTV showing the demolition works at the Bayarena:

http://www.bayer04.de/B04/de/_md_bay2009tv.aspx?guid=0-70E6BACC-8B63-4602-98C6-296DF3F8502F-620&id=880

Hoffenheim, the home of football.

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/webcam/webcam.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion6/2.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion6/3.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion6/1.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion6/6.jpg

^^ these pics are from December btw.

New southern stand in St.Pauli

http://www.fcstpauli.com/pics/medien//image_1202133430443.jpeg

Looks too messy for my taste since they seem to have incorporated a wall between the standing areas and the seats.

Hoffenheim!

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/11.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/6.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/13.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/14.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/12.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion7/4.jpg

http://212.65.13.117/sturm/dbdateien/news/2193_bild_gross.jpeg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/webcam/webcam.jpg

some more pics from Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/080212_Neubau_Osttribuene_10.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/080212_Neubau_Osttribuene_18.jpg
http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/pics/080212_Neubau_Osttribuene_11.jpg

Hoffenheim!


Will it have terraces?

Just noticed that the SAP-arena seems to be getting those huge walls around the pitch aswell :no:

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/downloads/Stadion3.jpg

Just noticed that the SAP-arena seems to be getting those huge walls around the pitch aswell :no:

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/downloads/Stadion3.jpg

GNU, does SAP Arena host football matches? As far as I know it hosts handball or other indoor sports...

GNU, does SAP Arena host football matches? As far as I know it hosts handball or other indoor sports...

youre right.
sorry my bad, its actually called the TSG-Arena.
the SAP arena would be in Mannheim:

http://www.hbmbau.de/_HBM/Album/d1722992-bc34-42f6-9b8c-642eb12692a5.jpg

i don't like the "huge walls" that a lot of germans stadiums have!! :bash:
who decided such stupid idea??

Hi people! I'd like to present you the stadiums of this year's 2nd league football teams. Which do you like and which are awful?

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/898/2bl200708qa4.jpg

the order is similar to the current place in the table (8th of April 2008)

Team name, Stadium name (sponsor name), year built (latest renovation), city
Capacity: all (standing room capacity + seats); all-seater on international games
|city location|team logo|
|airview|
|cladding|
|inside filled|
|inside empty|
additional information and link

Borussia VfL 1900 Mönchengladbach, Borussia-Park, 2004, Mönchengladbach
Capacity: 54067 (16145 + 37922); 46249
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2453/gladbach0rq1.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/db/Vfl_borussia_monchengladbach.gif/100px-Vfl_borussia_monchengladbach.gif
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/561/gladbach1ny7.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1812/gladbach2fq2.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4209/gladbach3pk5.jpg
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6405/gladbach4bm0.jpg

TSG 1899 Hoff€nh€im, Di€tmar-Hopp-Stadion, 1999 (2007), Sinsheim
Capacity: 6350 (3350 + 3000)
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/3565/sinsheim0of8.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/TSG_Hoffenheim.png/115px-TSG_Hoffenheim.png
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/236/sinsheim4ae7.jpg
a new stadium is under construction, completion in 2009, capacity 30500 (http://www.stadien-in-baden-wuerttemberg.de/dateien/stadion/bawue/sinsheim_hoppstadion/000.html)

1. FSV Mainz 05, Stadion am Bruchweg, 1929 (2002), Mainz
Capacity: 20300 (9900 + 10400)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2264/mainz0kk4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5b/FSV_Mainz_05.png/150px-FSV_Mainz_05.png
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/894/mainz1ub8.jpg
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1378/mainz2ib8.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9241/mainz3hl6.jpg

a new stadium is planned, completion in 2010, capacity 35000 (http://www.mainz05.de/coface_arena.html)

1. FC Köln, Müngersdorfer Stadion (RheinEnergieStadion), 2004, Köln (Cologne)
Capacity: 50374 (9168 + 41206); 46134
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4981/kln0gb5.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Fc_cologne.png/150px-Fc_cologne.png
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4965/kln1fn1.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4658/kln2pw8.jpg
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8986/kln3mx1.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8550/kln4em1.jpg

SpVgg Greuther Fürth, Stadion am Ronhofer Weg (Playmobil-Stadion), 1910 (2007), Fürth
Capacity: 15500 (6000 + 9500)
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7646/frth0xt4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6b/Image-SpVgg_Furth.png/85px-Image-SpVgg_Furth.png
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7011/frth1dx8.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/6487/frth2fx6.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1646/frth3fo9.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8773/frth4zp2.jpg

SC Freiburg, Dreisamstadion (badenova-Stadion), 1953 (2004), Freiburg
Capacity: 25000 (10500 + 14500)
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5665/freiburg0ov2.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/SC_Freiburg.png/85px-SC_Freiburg.png
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/2905/freiburg1uu2.jpg
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/1993/freiburg2pb5.jpg
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7876/freiburg3di7.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5987/freiburg4av7.jpg

SV Wehen 1926 Taunusstein, (BRITA-Arena), 2007, Wiesbaden
Capacity: 12566 (5800 + 6766)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8075/wehen0pw8.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0c/SV_Wehen_Wiesbaden.png/135px-SV_Wehen_Wiesbaden.png
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3191/wehen1pz9.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6466/wehen3ho3.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6783/wehen4en8.jpg
if the club stays in the upper leagues, a new stadium may be built within the next 5 years

TuS Koblenz 1911, Stadion Oberwerth, 1936 (2007), Koblenz
Capacity: 15000 (7772 + 7428)
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/9979/koblenz0oc8.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/8d/TuS_Koblenz.png/145px-TuS_Koblenz.png
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9641/koblenz1sd6.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5721/koblenz2wy8.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1026/koblenz3jv1.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6692/koblenz4iu2.jpg
a new stadium is planned, no further informations

Aachener TSV Alemannia 1900, Tivoli, 1928 (2004), Aachen
Capacity: 21300 (17600 + 3700)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/665/aachen0om9.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ca/Alemannia_Aachen.png/125px-Alemannia_Aachen.png
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7703/aachen1ab2.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7969/aachen2kl8.jpg
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/241/aachen3xv7.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8697/aachen4gd5.jpg
a new stadium is planned, completion in 2009, capacity 32900 (http://alemannia-stadion.de/v1/stadion/dasstadion/index.htm)

TSV 1860 München, (Allianz-Arena), 2005, München (Munich)
Capacity: 69901 (13769 + 56132); 66000
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7771/mnchen0bw9.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen_%28Wappen%29.png/150px-TSV_1860_M%C3%BCnchen_%28Wappen%29.png
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6205/mnchen1dd2.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9373/mnchen2wq8.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6228/mnchen3ho2.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8584/mnchen4yp5.jpg

FC St. Pauli von 1910, Stadion am Millerntor, 1963 (under renovation now), Hamburg
Capacity: 22650 (12684 + 7966)
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4877/pauli0bg8.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/FC_St_Pauli.png/200px-FC_St_Pauli.png
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3813/pauli1mt3.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3927/pauli2co3.jpg
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/1855/pauli3pc9.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6184/pauli4ia7.jpg
the stadium is under renovation now, the capacity will be extended to 27000 in 2010 (http://www.fcstpauli.com/staticsite/staticsite.php?menuid=408&topmenu=174&keepmenu=inactive)

FC Augsburg, Rosenaustadion, 1951 (2006), Augsburg
Capacity: 31300 (24872 + 6428)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7743/augsburg0pq7.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/Augsburg.jpg/75px-Augsburg.jpg
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3885/augsburg1nx3.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7450/augsburg3fp3.jpg
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7784/augsburg4kz7.jpg
a new stadium is under construction now, completion in 2011, capacity 49000 (http://www.augsburg-arena.de/cms/website.php)

VfL 1899 Osnabrück, Stadion an der Bremer Brücke (Osnatel-Arena), 1931 (under renovation now), Osnabrück
Capacity: 18415 (15776 + 2639)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4792/osnabrck0nq4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/VFL_Osnabrueck.png/125px-VFL_Osnabrueck.png
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/1551/osnabrck1xw3.jpg
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5235/osnabrck2je4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/86/osnabrck3hz4.jpg
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3894/osnabrck4qm4.jpg
the stadium is under renovation now, new seats will replace some standing places, the capacity will shrink to 16250

Offenbacher FC Kickers 1901, Stadion am Bieberer Berg, 1921 (2005), Offenbach
Capacity: 25200 (18500 + 6700)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/597/offenbach0tw7.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7c/Kickers_Offenbach.png/85px-Kickers_Offenbach.png
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6456/offenbach1se0.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9372/offenbach2zh0.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3467/offenbach3yv4.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9387/offenbach4ng4.jpg

1. FC Kaiserslautern, Fritz-Walter-Stadion, 1920 (2006), Kaiserslautern
Capacity: 50754 (18617 + 32137); 48500
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1144/lautern0ng4.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bf/FC_Kaiserslautern.png/150px-FC_Kaiserslautern.png
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/416/lautern1ja8.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2635/lautern2wj4.jpg
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3997/lautern3ue2.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4116/lautern4hf8.jpg

FC Erzgebirge Aue, Erzgebirgsstadion, 1928 (2004), Aue
Capacity: 16350 (6200 + 10150)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3623/aue0hq3.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/FC_Erzgebirge_Aue.png/110px-FC_Erzgebirge_Aue.png
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4431/aue1hf1.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4002/aue3fd1.jpg
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9538/aue4bm0.jpg

FC Carl Zeiss Jena, Ernst-Abbe-Sportfeld, 1928 (2007), Jena
Capacity: 15610 (6038 + 9572)
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1341/jena0gu6.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/FC_Carl_Zeiss_Jena.png/80px-FC_Carl_Zeiss_Jena.png
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3971/jena1ch4.jpg
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4406/jena3bx6.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1299/jena4nn4.jpg

SC Paderborn 07, Hermann-Löns-Stadion, 196X, Paderborn
Capacity: 12000 (8396 + 3604)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/843/paderborn0li7.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/Sc_paderborn_07.png/150px-Sc_paderborn_07.png
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5057/paderborn3yf5.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5357/paderborn4zq1.jpg
a new stadium is under construction, completion in 2008, capacity 15000 (http://www.paragon-arena.de)

The stadium in Koln is an obvious favourite but for some reason, I also really like the current Alemannia stadium.

Borussia-Park and Müngersdorfer Stadion are the best!! sure!

Borussia Park is awesome.

Forgive my ignorance, but is Borussia park in the same sort of area geographically as the Westfalen Stadium? If so that's one lucky place!

Forgive my ignorance, but is Borussia park in the same sort of area geographically as the Westfalen Stadium? If so that's one lucky place!


Distances of Top-Stadiums (+45k) in the most western part of Germany:


Borussia-Park-Westfalenstadion 93 km
..................-Rhein-Energie-Stadion 60 km
..................-LTU-Arena (Düsseldorf) 30 km
..................-Veltins-Arena 72 km
Westfalenstadion-Veltins Arena 27 km
.......................-Rhein Energie 96 km
.......................-LTU Arena 70 km
Rhein Energie - LTU Arena 38 km
................. - Veltins Arena 80 km
Veltins Arena - LTU Arena 49 km

Borussia-Park and Müngersdorfer Stadion are fantastic stadiums. You forgot to put the Fritz Walter Stadion in your review as well, another good 2. Bundesliga stadium. :)

as someones else somewhere once wrote: Northrhine-Westphalia could even host a Euro (if UEFA would allow standing places, otherwise some stadiums would be smaller than 30000) :D

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2042/stadnrwfw6.jpg

@Wezza: No, I did not forget that, I will continue now post the missing stadiums ;)

the order is similar to the current place in the table (8th of April 2008)
the other 9 stadiums will follow later
and Kaiserslautern is not in the first nine place standings ;)

I think Germany has the best collection of top stadiums in Europe (probably due to the World Cup) some of those are really bad though and wouldnt be allowed in the top 5 divisions in England. Do they not have strict safety standards in Germany?

Fritz-Walter Stadion is by far my favourite in the 2nd Division in Germany. I really hope they won't get relegated this season, but doesn't look too good at the moment :(

Of course Borussia Park and RheinEnergie Stadion are also very nice, they definately belong in the first division.

many of these "bad" stadiums run with certificates of exemption and will be replaced by newer ones. The rules are not so strict in the lower leagues, and many stadiums in the 3rd or 4th leagues (different regional conferences) are really old and bad, but have some charm too. and many teams with "bad stadiums" here are pretty new in the 2. Bundesliga, that's why their new stadiums are yet under construction or still in the planning. but i like these old stadiums, good old days ;)

...and wouldnt be allowed in the top 5 divisions in England.

because we have standing places (well i don't know if these places are only forbidden in the premier league or in the lower leagues aswell)? :D:baeh3:

the 1st post in this thread is now complete!!!

Nice thread mate! :) German stadiums rock.

for the 2 league, you have pretty nice stadiums...except the FC Kaiserslautern, Fritz-Walter-Stadion, which is quite ugly outside.

If german football keeps growing like this, I think it will become one of the top 3 competitions of the world. There is potential and growth.

German football stadiums are simply the best in the world. Even English stadiums will be no match for them! I wish they donated some of them to SerieA :rofl:

Allez aux armes, St. Pauli!

I would have loved to see this as their future stadium :D
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7149/stadionqu9.jpg

Supporting pillars in the middle of tiers in a modern stadium?


That is a mental design for a number of reasons.

But the new one will have also supporting pillars in the middle of the stands

the new stand in Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/uploads/tx_nwsoccertable/0U5W8186.jpg

Allez aux armes, St. Pauli!

I would have loved to see this as their future stadium :D
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7149/stadionqu9.jpg

You know i don't think that is too bad a stadium. Fair enough it's not exactly revolutionary, it's still got support beams for instance, but it's a bit different from every other new stadium, which seem to be clones of one another. The towers in each corner (though reminiscent of Leyton Orient's Brisbane Road) makes the place look like some sort of castle lol!

New arena for Frankfurt:

Cap: 12,500
Architscts: Coop Himmelblau
Cost: 100 million EUR

http://www.faz.net/m/%7B37AECC77-C5E4-4879-93F1-E374B3457F5A%7DPicture.jpg
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5554/frankfurtrheinmainarenadd4.jpg

Looks good although I would like it to have a bigger cap

Wow, I'm slow, this is the first time I hear of thise.

Very beautiful indeed even thought he proposal for the Arena in Düsseldorf also looked much better than in real life.

The same arena family than London 2012? :eek:

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7149/stadionqu9.jpg

looks like a castle from lord of the rings in middle earth.

towers, flags = middle age :-D They just should add some drawbridges and a moat with gators, where they can push the visitor's supporters in. :lol:

Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/typo3temp/pics/144123b1fb.jpg

Bielefeld:

http://www.arminia-bielefeld.de/typo3temp/pics/144123b1fb.jpg

Is this a renovation of the old stadium? If so what happens to the capacity?

No its just a new stand ;)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/neu/sw_stadien/index.php?folder=sites&site=neubau_d_detail&id=53

some pics of the new stand in St.Pauli:

http://www.myownwebpage.de/bilder/big/q29gWrvCfA42HqukwVHR.jpg
http://www.myownwebpage.de/bilder/big/bwSeS50cSZYmVDP8uMA9.jpg
http://www.myownwebpage.de/bilder/big/qhpJmtdua4rbpryaZ5qt.jpg
http://www.myownwebpage.de/bilder/big/w0bxgvM1e8H2hHBd35p7.jpg

Isn't there any increase in the overall capacity? Just the modernization of the stand?

The cap will increase from 26,6k to around 28k.
On this pic you can see the old stand (the small one) which now has been replaced:

http://www.bielefeld-marketing.de/ftp/bildergalerie/sehenswuerdigkeiten/SchuecoArena.jpg

The cap will increase from 26,6k to around 28k.
On this pic you can see the old stand (the small one) which now has been replaced:

http://www.bielefeld-marketing.de/ftp/bildergalerie/sehenswuerdigkeiten/SchuecoArena.jpg

I can't believe the replacement will cause only 1.4K increase. Supposing that the new stand is as tall as the other stand next to it, it looks like the stadium will get at least more than 3K seats additionally.

You said the capacity before the replacement is 26.6K. Considering the stadium capacity, each touchline stand can hold at least 8,000 people because it is much longer than endline stands, which implies it's capacity is much bigger than a "simple mean" of the each stand - in this case 6.7K(=26.6K/4)

^^ old stand was probably terraces.

Yes it was.
The new stand on the other hand will have 6.722 seats.

Hoffenheim webcam

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/assets/webcam/webcam.jpg

Looking good...

the new Tivoli of Alemannia Aachen. now uc

http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521447/ansicht%20nord-west.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521449/eingang-businessbereich.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521444/logen.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521451/lounge.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521445/loge%20innenannsicht.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521446/ansicht%20su%CC%88d-west.jpg

Like Hoffenheim IMO

The best 25-30k new german stadiums are IMO Duisburd and Wolfsburg

Bielefeds one became now a very good one with the new stand.

They put the stands right on pitch level in Bielefeld which is a good thing.
In Aachen it looks acceptable too (cant say for sure though). The new stadium in Sinsheim has a great exterior but the high walls which separate the stands from the pitch somewhat spoil the overall design.

the new Tivoli of Alemannia Aachen. now uc

http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521447/ansicht%20nord-west.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521449/eingang-businessbereich.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521444/logen.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521451/lounge.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521445/loge%20innenannsicht.jpg
http://www.az-web.de/sixcms/media.php/1810/521446/ansicht%20su%CC%88d-west.jpg

What's the capacity? Is this renovated from the old Tivoli or newly builit in its place? And when did the construction start and when is it expected to complete?

@ Carrera

Its a newly built stadium, just round the corner from the old one.
Construction started on the 17th of May and it will be finished to the start of the 09/10 season. It will have a cap of 32.900.

Lets hope so. The Bundesliga needs more 60k+ stadiums.
Seems to me that were usually a bit too conservative with future cap. estimations. Meanwhile the premier league is beefing up its stadium infrastructure.

Fantastic stadiums
Affordable ticket prices
Nearly 40,000 of average attendance

Anyway I think German Bundesliga is a ultimate target all domestic leagues on earth should go for. I hope I could see that in Korea before I die :ohno::ohno::ohno:

Hoffenheim

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion11/2.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion11/1.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion11/5.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion11/10.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/galerie/assets/stadion11/9.jpg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/sturm/dbdateien/news/2348_bild_gross.jpeg

What are they gonna do with the seats behind the luxury boxes? Or will this space be used for something else?

maye for blind fans?

Awesome gif animation of progress made in Hoffenheim over the last 2 weeks. :D

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/hoffenheim1.gif

Köln, Mönchengladbach and Hoffenheim promoted to 1. Bundesliga.
The stadia of the relegated teams from 1. Bundesliga (so, 2. BL next season) are:

1. FC Nürnberg, Frankenstadion (easycredit-Stadion), 47,500 (national), 44,308 (all-seater)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/9d/1_FC_Nuernberg_Logo.svg/100px-1_FC_Nuernberg_Logo.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Frankenstadion.jpg/800px-Frankenstadion.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Frankenstadion_2.JPG/800px-Frankenstadion_2.JPG
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/worldcup_stadiums/image/frankenstadion.jpg

FC Hansa Rostock, Ostseestadion (DKB-Arena), 29,000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/a/a6/FC_Hansa_Rostock_Logo.svg/100px-FC_Hansa_Rostock_Logo.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Ostseestadion-VIP-Eingang.jpg/800px-Ostseestadion-VIP-Eingang.jpg
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/061110rostock/rostock1000.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Flug_073.jpg

MSV Duisburg, MSV-Arena, 31,500
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/28/MSV_Duisburg.svg/125px-MSV_Duisburg.svg.png
http://www.tusem-essen-fussball.de/images/d2msvarena.jpg
http://www.dasrotepferd.de/Die_Chronik/msv-arena.jpg
http://www.nordkurve99.de/resources/_wsb_517x366_luft_04.jpg

Aue, Jena, Paderborn and Offenbach relegated to the 3rd league. The new promoted teams are:

SC Rot-Weiß Oberhausen, Stadion Niederrhein, 21,318
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/0/0f/Rot_Weiss_Oberhausen_Logo.svg/120px-Rot_Weiss_Oberhausen_Logo.svg.png
http://groundhopping.de/rwoalag2.jpg
http://www.stadionfuehrer.de/deutschland_stadion_rwoberhausen.jpg

Rot-Weiss Ahlen, Wersestadion, 11,500
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/7/7c/Rot-weiss_ahlen.gif
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0524ahlen/ahlen1000.jpg

FSV Frankfurt, Stadion am Bornheimer Hang (Frankfurter Volksband-Stadion), 24,000 (after renovation 10,300)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/4/42/FSV_Frankfurt.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/2007/0324fsv/bornheim1000.jpg
http://www.bornheimerhang.de/pimg/zoom/28_800.jpg
they will play the first games due to the renovation in the Waldstadion (Commerzbank-Arena) in Frankfurt, 52,300
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Luftbild_Ffm_2005-08-11.jpg/800px-Luftbild_Ffm_2005-08-11.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Comm.jpg

FC Ingolstadt 04, ESV-Stadion, 16,500 (11,000 after renovation)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/5/55/FC-Ingolstadt_logo.svg/125px-FC-Ingolstadt_logo.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0819esvingolstadt/esvin1000.jpg

Football stadium infrastructure in Germany is simply the best in the world!

Hooray for terraces! :) You British need to get yours back.

Ok, I got inspired by the Swis stadium thread, so I try a lousy copy for the German stadiums.

Lets begin with:

1. Bundesliga (First football division)

Season 2008/2009, capacities for football matches.


Allianz-Arena, München
FC Bayern München (first division) and TSV 1860 München (second devision)

Built for the 2006 World Cup (opened in 2005), both large Munich clubs moved here from the Olympiastadion. The stadium is used for football matches only and famous for its illuminated facade (white, red and blue for the national team and the two clubs).

league capacity: 69,901
UEFA capacity: 66,000

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3132/2298940406_0114987c29_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2148/2196277480_413e80f213_b.jpg

http://www.allianz-arena.de/galleries/20051213_0958/12.jpg


Weserstadion, Bremen
Werder Bremen

league capacity: 42,358
UEFA capacity: 37,512

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/18/69810520_98fe645ed1_o.jpg


Veltins-Arena, Gelsenkirchen
FC Schalke 04

Opened in 2001 as "Arena AufSchalke" this 5-star-stadium is one of the largest multi-purpose arenas of Europe. It features a retractable roof and a slide-out pitch. It has seen events like football matches, concerts, biathlon, stock car racings, etc.

league capacity: 61,482
UEFA capacity: 53,951

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48/152161814_c52d50c9aa_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/90/225198944_74d01001b8_b.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Biathlon_AufSchalke_2005.jpg


HSH Nordbank Arena, Hamburg
Hamburger Sportverein

Renovated in 1998

league capacity: 57,000
UEFA capacity: 51,500

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/493941442_f234778bf9_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/84/244036283_7f88963942_b.jpg


Volkswagen-Arena, Wolfsburg
VfL Wolfsburg

Opened in 2002

capacity: 30,000

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/1503300587_baa591995d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/2324540697_9a0744b724_b.jpg


Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion, Stuttgart
VfB Stuttgart

Opened in 1933, renovated for the 2006 World Cup. Next season it will be called "Mercedes-Benz-Arena". And until 2011 it will be made to a football-only stadium (pitch will ly deeper, new rectractable roof similar to Frankfurts Commerzbank Arena).

capacity: 55,896 (future: up to 57,000)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/103/308783570_b7b40ce1cf_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/187636669_d1bef831cf_b.jpg


BayArena, Leverkusen
Bayer Leverkusen

One of the smallest Bundesliga stadiums it is going to be expanded for more than 30,000 visitors. Bayer will play the second half of the coming season in Düsseldorfs LTU-Arena.

capacity: 22,500

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/113845412_4557ee5e03_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/70/154125401_a9c0db4128_b.jpg


AWDarena, Hannover
Hannover 96

Several times renovated, the former Niedersachsenstadion was nearly completely rebuildt for the 2006 World Cup.

league capacity: 49,000
UEFA capacity: 45,000

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/428389567_f37fadfc21_b.jpg


Commerzbank Arena, Frankfurt
Eintracht Frankfurt

The former Waldstadion was rebuildt from 2002 to 2005. Now it features a retractable roof (textile, lyindg within the video cube) and can be used as a multi purpose arena.

capacity: 52,500

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/461480045_fb19301110_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2373/2499442509_1c8b523f1d_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2167/2371794576_6e66405142_b.jpg


Olympiastadion, Berlin
Hertha BSC Berlin

Buildt for the Olympic Games 1936, it was renovated for the World Cup 2006 (ful roof, etc.), when the final took place here. Traditionally. the final of DFB-Pokal (the association's cup) is here, too.

capacity: 74,228

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2066/2327967648_04163d9dfd_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2171/2327968196_faa3885785_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/78/161862797_1377d45cdf_o.jpg


Wildparkstadion, Karlsruhe
Karlsruher SC

Opened in 1955, the stadion had a capacity of more than 55,000 people.
Plans to begin a transformation into a football-only stadion for 35,000 to 40,000 people in 2009.

capacity: 29,699

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/86/256534453_5b486a8478_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/60/192872238_7347a7e397_o.jpg


rewirpowerSTADION, Bochum

The Ruhrstadion (opened 1979) gets my personal award for silliest name sponsorship. ;)

capacity: 31,328

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2300/2501106639_468af6beb0_b.jpg


Signal Iduna Park, Dortmund
BVB Borussia Dortmund

the Westfalenstadion is after several enlargements in the last ten years Germanys largest football stadion. The southern stand (Südtribüne) is the largest in Europe and hosts 25,000 frenetic fans. Borussia has the highest average attendance of all european football clubs (79,000 in 2004).

league capacity: 80,708
UEFA capacity: 65,718

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/373623062_104e1ac25d_b.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Suedtribuene.jpg


Stadion der Freundschaft, Cottbus
Energie Cottbus

Cottbus remains the only club in the first division from the former GDR.

capacity: 22,746

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/107/301044438_e3830f9ee3_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/301044440_f85218a6f0_o.jpg


Schücoarena, Bielefeld
Arminia Bielefeld

Known as "The Alm", it was enlarged recently.

capacity: 28,008

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2464036290_8a342e3bb6_o.jpg


Stadion im Borussia-Park, Mönchengladbach
Borussia Mönchengladbach

Since the opening of the all-new Borussia-Park the "monks", one of the most traditional Bundesliga teams have their modern arena, too.

league capacity: 54,067 (could be expanded to 59,771 when removing the seats of the southern stand)
UEFA capacity: 46,429

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/167/476919408_e1bc5776fa_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/172/476919416_b83dbaa2dd_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/304393807_6ce41ad539_o.jpg


Carl-Benz-Stadion, Mannheim
TSG 1899 Hoffenheim

Coming fromthe third league within two years, Hoffenheims own Dietmar-Hopp-Stadion (capacity: 6,350, opened in 1999) is too small for the 1. Bundesliga. So Hoffenheim will start in the stadium of the traditional club SG Waldhof Mannheim.

capacity: 27,000

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/Mannheim-Carl-Benz-Stadion.jpg/800px-Mannheim-Carl-Benz-Stadion.jpg


Rhein-Neckar-Arena, Sinsheim
TSG 1899 Hoffenheim

currently under construction, the opening of Hoffenheims future home is scheduled for January 2009. It will be the second all-new stadium of the club within the last decade. Matches of FIFA Women World Cup 2011 will be here.

capacity: ca. 30,000

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/sturm/dbdateien/news/2348_bild_gross.jpeg

http://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/sturm/dbdateien/news/1771_bild_gross.jpeg

http://www.dfb.de/uploads/pics/WM2011_Sinsheim.jpg


RheinEnergieStadion, Köln/Cologne
1. FC Köln

It replaced the old Müngersdorfer Stadion and was opened in 2004.

league capacity: 50,374
UEFA capacity: 46,000

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/25129697_23b8227e85_o.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1241/1424718586_2b1dfea094_b.jpg


That's it, all 19 stadiums of the 1. Bundesliga season 2008/2009.
The stadiums of the 2. Bundesliga were already presented by Patrick, the link can be found in post #2.

Sometime I will continue with other football and non-football arenas of Germany.

good thread!
oh goddamn, i hate the name "-Arena". "Stadion" sounds much better in my ears ;)

btw: if you want to introduce the 2. Bundesliga:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=604796

:D

Ok, then I don't have to do this.

I originally thought to post some non-Bundesliga stadiums (Olympiastadion München, Leipzig, Düsseldorf) as well as maybe even non-football venues later, too. Good or bad idea?

Overall Bundesliga as league has best stadiums in Europe. Only 1 stadium is not new one (KSC) and as far as i know they plan to build new one.

Oh btw i see that u forgot to present one of the true classics of European stadiums.

Westfalen Stadion, Dortmund (80,708)
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Westfalenstadion6.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Westfalenstadion3.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Westfalenstadion5.jpg
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Westfalenstadion_A.jpg

:master::master:
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/GER/Westfalenstadion8.jpg

No, I didn't. i was too lazy to post all 18 stadiums. As the list is based on the results of the 07/08 season, Dortmund was still to com. ;)

My bad then :) Well you can post it again, its great stadium :)

Hooray for terraces! :) You British need to get yours back.

Tell me about it :no::no:. As long as we have to have all seated stadiums, the atmosphere will never truly be the same, and the prices will stay high.

Speaking of which, what is the average price for a ticket in the 2nd league of the German system?

Fantastic thread!!!!!!! Gooooooooooooddddddddddddddddddd

as someones else somewhere once wrote: Northrhine-Westphalia could even host a Euro (if UEFA would allow standing places, otherwise some stadiums would be smaller than 30000) :D

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2042/stadnrwfw6.jpg



A wonderful concentration of football stadiums in Northrhine-Westphalia(!)

How is the economy there? Is it industrial/mining based?

The only other place I can think of that comes close is Lancashire (Manchester/Liverpool).

Yes, standing would be nice but it'll never be back. :ohno:

The the best thing about German football is that you don't need to re-mortgage your house to get a ticket.

I love the Westfalen Stadion.

For me it defines what a football stadium is there for. While I would not dispute that the Allianze Arena is superior in many respects, for me many of the newer facilities are a little too clinical. I like my football a little more 'earthy'.

some examples (these are full matchday prices, no VIP etc.. some people (students, apprentices, pensoiner etc) can get reduced tickets):


1. FC Kaiserslautern, Fritz-Walter-Stadion

Standing area: 9,00€ (ap. 14$; 7£)
Seat: from 13,50€ (ap. 21$; 11£) to 35,00€ (ap. 55$; 28£)


TuS Koblenz, Stadion Oberwerth

Standing area: 11,40€ (ap. 18$; 9£)
Seat: between 16,40€ (ap. 26$; 13£) and 26,40€ (ap. 41$; 21£)


TSV 1860 München, Allianz Arena

Standing area: 10,50€ (ap. 16,50$; 8,50£)
Seat: between 21,00€ (ap. 33$; 17£) and 31,50€ (ap. 49,50$; 25£)

Northrhine-Westphalia alone has more than 20 milion inhabitants. The Rhein-Rhur region (where all these stadiums are) is the largest metropolitan region of Europe and used to be the coal heart of Germany. Nowadays mining doesn't dominate the region anymore and surely it isn't the richest one of the country.

Northrhine-Westphalia alone has more than 20 milion inhabitants. The Rhein-Rhur region (where all these stadiums are) is the largest metropolitan region of Europe and used to be the coal heart of Germany. Nowadays mining doesn't dominate the region anymore and surely it isn't the richest one of the country.

18 millions are less than 20 millions ;)

Very cheap prices. For your amusement, some Premier League prices;

Arsenal: Cat A - £46-94 ($90-$183 or Euro 58-118) Cat B - £32-66($62-$123 or Euro 40-82)
Tottenham Hotspur: Cat A - £39-71 ($76-138 or E49-89) Cat B - £32-52 ($62-101 or E40-65) Cat C - £27-42 ($53-82 or E34-53)
Manchester United: Single category - £12.50-44 ($24-86 or E15-55)
Reading: Cat A - £39-41 ($76-80 or E49-51) Cat B - £36-38 ($70-75 or E45-47) Cat C - ($62-66 or 40-43)
Portsmouth: Single category - £34-41 ($66-80 or E43-51)

Eye watering, isn't it?

Category 'A' games are against the 'big 4' of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd and possibly a local derby. Category 'C' games are against the weakest teams and 'B' are for the rest.

Very cheap prices. For your amusement, some Premier League prices;

Arsenal: Cat A - £46-94 ($90-$183 or €58-118) Cat B - £32-66($62-$123 or €40-82)
Tottenham Hotspur: Cat A - £39-71 ($76-138 or €49-89) Cat B - £32-52 ($62-101 or €40-65) Cat C - £27-42 ($53-82 or €34-53)
Manchester United: Single category - £12.50-44 ($24-86 or €15-55)
Reading: Cat A - £39-41 ($76-80 or €49-51) Cat B - £36-38 ($70-75 or €45-47) Cat C - ($62-66 or €40-43)
Portsmouth: Single category - £34-41 ($66-80 or €43-51)

Eye watering, isn't it?

Category 'A' games are against the 'big 4' of Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal or Man Utd and possibly a local derby. Category 'C' games are against the weakest teams and 'B' are for the rest.

you'd better compare the 2. Bundesliga to the Premiership ;)

of course, the 1. Bundesliga is a bit more expensive than the 2. Bundesliga ;)

Bayern München 12€-60€ e.g.

I really like Koln's facility, but they have the benefit (in one sense) of being a bigger city in the lower tier*. Freiburg certainly has the best views, though.

*EDIT: I forgot they were just promoted.

@ Patrick:
Btw. The new Impuls Arena will be opened in May 2009 and have place for 30,000 fans.
The 48,000 you posted are the planned second step, but as far as I know it's not yet decided to build it.

Great stuff. Looking at some of the stadiums in the country, I'm stunned that Nurenberg's ground was used in 2006. Possibly the best example of a venue being chosen for it's location rather than the stadium itself.

Westfalen Stadion - big focus on atmosphere, maybe my favorite stadium in the world. Brilliant, cozy design. I would love to attend a game there.

As far as I konw southern stand of Westfalen Stadion is the biggest single stand in the world beyond Europe. Can anyone confirm it?

that is right. the old Kop WAS bigger (in capacity), though.

and thun: it's SV Waldhof, not SG ;);):D

i will continue with the 20 stadia of the 3rd league / 3. Liga:

Kickers Offenbach FC, Stadion am Bieberer Berg (26,500)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/f/f9/Logo_Kickers_Offenbach.svg/105px-Logo_Kickers_Offenbach.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/060226ofc/biebererberg-1000.jpg

FC Erzgebirge Aue, Erzgebirgsstadion (16,500)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/1/13/Fc_erzgebirge_aue.svg/150px-Fc_erzgebirge_aue.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/061022aue/stadion1000.jpg

SC Paderborn 07, Paragon-Arena (15,300)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/4/4c/SCP07-Logo.svg/120px-SCP07-Logo.svg.png
http://www.stadion-paderborn.de/0106083.JPG

FC Carl Zeiss Jena, Ernst-Abbe-Sportfeld (15,610)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/e/e4/Logo_FC_Carl_Zeiss_Jena.svg/100px-Logo_FC_Carl_Zeiss_Jena.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/060818jena/ernstabbe1000.jpg

Fortuna Düsseldorf, LTU-Arena (51,500)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/94/Fortuna_D%C3%BCsseldorf.svg/120px-Fortuna_D%C3%BCsseldorf.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/1111fortuna/ltu-1-1000.jpg

1. FC Union Berlin, Stadion an der Alten Försterei (18,100)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Union_Logo.jpg/200px-Union_Logo.jpg
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0308union/stadion1000.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Union2.jpg/800px-Union2.jpg

SV Werder Bremen II, Weserstadion Platz 11 (5,500)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/b/be/SV-Werder-Bremen-Logo.svg/100px-SV-Werder-Bremen-Logo.svg.png
http://www.stadionfuehrer.de/deutschland_stadion_werderbremenamateure.jpg

Wuppertaler SV Borussia, Stadion am Zoo (18,000 due to renovation, usually 28,300)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/a/ad/Wuppertalersv.svg/120px-Wuppertalersv.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0409wuppertal/wtal448.jpg

FC Rot-Weiß Erfurt, Steigerwaldstadion (20,000)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/4/41/Rot_Weiss_Erfurt_Logo.svg/120px-Rot_Weiss_Erfurt_Logo.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0824erfurt/erfurt1-1000.jpg

SG Dynamo Dreden, Rudolf-Harbig-Stadion (23,767 before renovation; 32,770 after renovtion)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/7/7f/SGDynamorundgeluscht.png/150px-SGDynamorundgeluscht.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/0419dresden/rhs1000.jpg
http://www.bauen-fuer-emotionen.de/fileadmin/content/galery/bfeImage_ed0629e4c30b97c1f83b14b6bed4dfdf.jpg

BSV Kicker Emden, Embdena-Stadion (7,200)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/8/8e/BSV_Kickers_Emden.png/120px-BSV_Kickers_Emden.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/200708/1130emden/pano1000.jpg

TSV Eintracht Braunschweig, Stadion an der Hamburger Straße (23,500)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/a/a5/Eintracht_Braunschweig.svg/150px-Eintracht_Braunschweig.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/3/38/Stadion_an_der_Hamburger_Stra%C3%9Fe.jpg/800px-Stadion_an_der_Hamburger_Stra%C3%9Fe.jpg

SV Stuttgarter Kickers, Gazi-Stadion auf der Waldau (11,544)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/d/d6/Stuttgarter_Kickers_Logo.svg/120px-Stuttgarter_Kickers_Logo.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Waldaustadion_Degerloch.jpg/800px-Waldaustadion_Degerloch.jpg

VfR Aalen, Waldstadion (11,183)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/0/01/Vfraalen.svg/100px-Vfraalen.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/061006aalen/waldstadion1000.jpg

SV Sandhausen, Hardtwaldstadion (10,600)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/3/33/SV_Sandhausen.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/7/7e/CIMG1711.JPG/800px-CIMG1711.JPG

SpVgg Unterhaching, Generali-Sportpark (15,053)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/c/c9/SpVgg_Unterhaching_logo.svg/100px-SpVgg_Unterhaching_logo.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/2007/0408haching/haching1000.jpg

SV Wacker Burghausen, Wacker-Arena (now 7,750; in the pic it was 12,000)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/f/f6/Wacker_Burghausen.svg/100px-Wacker_Burghausen.svg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/061126burghausen/wackerarena1000.jpg

FC Bayern München II, Stadion an der Grünwalder Straße (21,272)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/9/90/FC_Bayern_M%C3%BCnchen_Logo.svg/100px-FC_Bayern_M%C3%BCnchen_Logo.svg.png
http://home.arcor.de/papier-tiger/1860/gruenwalder.jpg

SSV Jahn Regenburg, Jahnstadion (10,724)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/e9/SSV_Jahn_Regensburg.png
http://www.btsv1895.de/hopblog/wp-content/060415regensburg/jahnstadion-1000.jpg

VfB Stuttgart II, same stadium Stuttgarter Kickers
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/a/ab/VfB_Stuttgart_Logo.svg/140px-VfB_Stuttgart_Logo.svg.png

JUST STUNNING !!!!!!!!!!!

Is this stadium where Bayern 2 plays the same stadium where 1860 used to play when they got relegated? (When Bayern 1st team was still on Olypiastadion) ?

yes, it is. the second team of 1860 still plays there, too. this stadium is said to be the most used one in germany with around 80 games per year.

GREAT STADIUMS

what I like most in german's stadiums are the standing areas.
And what I like most of standing areas is that they can be turned into seating areas!!
It's genial.
For bundesliga games the entusiastic supporters stay on the standing area which maximize the stadium capacity.
For UEFA games the standing are converted to seats!!!!
I JUST LOVE IT!!

Great stuff. Looking at some of the stadiums in the country, I'm stunned that Nurenberg's ground was used in 2006. Possibly the best example of a venue being chosen for it's location rather than the stadium itself.


Nuremberg is a very exciting city in Germany and it was the second host city in the important federal state of Bavaria, for that they accepted the "poor" stadium of Nuremberg.

I love the Westfalen Stadion.

For me it defines what a football stadium is there for. While I would not dispute that the Allianze Arena is superior in many respects, for me many of the newer facilities are a little too clinical. I like my football a little more 'earthy'.

The Signal Iduna Park (the correct name of this thing) is completely overrated.
The facilities are realy old or too small for the crowd.
The lengendary emotions on the south stand are history!

Bulshit, its far better than some random bowl like Allianz Arena.

The Signal Iduna Park (the correct name of this thing) is completely overrated.
The facilities are realy old or too small for the crowd.
The lengendary emotions on the south stand are history!

Fuck the "correct" names! :D

I think Bundesliga stadiums slightly beat the Premiership, especcially in architectural terms. However the 3rd league stadiums in England are miles better then the equivilent in Germany (except Dusseldorf). Is all the support and money in German football concentrated towards the top league teams?

However the 3rd league stadiums in England are miles better then the equivilent in Germany (except Dusseldorf).

A few years ago I posted 2 threads with 2nd and 3rd division English stadiums. Perhaps someone with broadband could do an updated version? :D

If no one has by the time the game is over then I will :)

If no one has by the time the game is over then I will :)

Thanks. I'd do it myself but I'm on a satellite connection. It'll be very interesting.

The German third league (as 3. Liga) will start in its first season, keep that in mind. Until this year, the third division was formed by two semi-professional regional leagues (Regionalliga Nord and Regionalliga Süd). We'll have to see how it will develop.

The Grünwalder Staion (of Bayern II) is legendary. It was the home of Bayern before the opening of the Olympiastadion, too. And it still is in the hearts of the lion fans (TSV 1860) more favoured than the Allianz Arena will ever be.


Patrick, thank you for presenting the third league. I would have been too lazy to do that. ;)



@ Benjuk:
Regarding your opinion about Nuremberg, that's way more true for Leipzig! The citys club plays in the fourth league, and they've just choosen the city because they needed at least one in Eastern Germany and built a stadium that's not needed at all.
Nevertheless I'm planning to present the Zentralstadion in a few days because I actually like it quite much.

@ thun: you should edit your opening post.

1st: the stadium names are completely wrong:
Gelsenkirchen: Arena Auf Schalke
Hamburg: Volksparkstadion
Hannover: Niedersachsen-Stadion
Frankfurt: Waldstadion
Bochum: Ruhrstadion
Dortmund: Westfalenstadion
Bielefeld: Alm
Köln: Müngersdorfer Stadion

There's not the smallest reason why we should support this commercialisation bullshit (in this case the name-rights outselling) which is killing football!


2nd: why do you show Frankfurt pictures of those f**ing eggthrowers (which luckily don't exist anymore), when the title is "1. Bundesliga"? :bash:

Unfortunately, these are the official names. For most of them, I posted the common names, too.

I've chosen the photos for illustrating and photographical reasons. And I don't think that it's bad to see how a stadium is actually used, isn't it? So I can't see a reason to change this.

They will never be official. Silly politicians and company bosses (and f**ing media...) might think they are, but they are wrong. You can't sell a name, coz it's something different than a good you can buy and sell. Would be the same if you gave me 100000€ and I make a stamp on my head saying that my name would be yours, but it will never be... The official names are the ones I posted before.
You can't take this money-is-everything-b***sh*t serious. Besides that, these names change every few years (Hamburg was the first one). Do you want to change the names every few years??? Do you change your name every few years? ... What a rubbish!

And these Galaxy pictures are just embarrasing for Frankfurt. The Waldstadion is now only used for football (and concerts). And it's good this way.

true name is in your heart. Stadion in der Fröttmaninger Heide fuck the way :D

Volkswagen-Arena, Wolfsburg VfL Wolfsburg

Opened in 2002

capacity: 30,000

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/1503300587_baa591995d_b.jpg

Looks like a shopping centre.

As announced, I will go on with other sport venues.

Olympiapark München

The Olympiapark was buildt for the 1972 Olympic Games, of course. Together with the Olympic Village it is situated on the Oberwiesenfeld, a post-war airfield in the northwest of Munichs Centre.
The park unites several sport venues as well as the Munich TV tower. Characteristic are the glass roofs that where buildt because they don't throw a "hard" shadow on the field (which wasn't good for the TV cameras).

Olympiastadion
Surely the most known venue of the site. Its wide bowl designed for the opening ceremony and the athletics competitions was used as home of Bayern Munich and TSV 1860 Munich later.
Several international matches took place here like the finals of WC 1974 and EURO 1988 as well as three Champions League finals.
The Stadium is still holding the visitors record for the Bundesliga. In 1973 approx. 90,000 people came to see the match 1860 Munich - FC Augsburg in the second division.
Renovated fot the athletics European Championship 2002 it became an all-seater and is classified as five-star stadium by UEFA.

Nowadays the stadium is used for concerts, athletics (EURO 2002) as well as other events. Allianz Arena is used for football only.
As Munich is canidating for the Winter Olympics 2018, the stadium might become the only one in the world to host both Olympic summer games and winter games (The Opening ceremony would be here, maybe some sport events, too).

capacity: 69,250


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Olympiastadion_Muenchen.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/42/108310524_0b71546527_o.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/108310519_b8835641ea_o.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/243/516921149_f5f2131765_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2332/2422791144_0d6829d76d_b.jpg

Ramp for Air&Style snowboard contest:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/313388302_32e4b7aaaf_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/325207389_19edc1e2dc_o.jpg

Two other venues are the Olympiahalle (capacity: up to 14,000) for concerts and riding and the Olympia-Schwimmhalle swimming pool.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Olympiahalle.jpg
^^ Roofs of the two venues, Olympiahalle is on the top, the swimming pool on the bottom.

Starting on the end of 2007, the 22.5K stadium is being expanded and expected have the final capacity of 30K when the construction is completed in summer next year. Here's a rough comparison about before and after.

(From)

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d46776470d345178ade9b94829ba90d2731c23b20d589665aa9c8c0c47edb032d1fb388c681aafe958&f_no=7bf3fa16c2

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d46776470d345178ade9b94829ba90d2731c23b20d589665aa9c8c5f10bee666d6fa3a8c691aafe958&f_no=7af3fa16c2

(To)

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d46776470d345178ade9b94829ba90d2731c23b20d589665aa9c8c0b10eab63485ac398c6f1a8fc978&f_no=7cf3da36e2

http://img2.dcinside.com/viewimage.php?id=football_new&no=29bcc427b48677a16fb3dab004c86b6f9a697bf10be2d1d46776470d345178ade9b94829ba90d2731c23b20d589665aa9c8c0847ebb534d0ac3f8c6d1a8fc978&f_no=7ef3da36e2

I just had a look at the average attendance figures for the bundesliga and was amazed at the amount of clubs who fill their stadiums to the rim and I was wondering if some of these clubs have plans or are capable of expanding their stadium. The clubs that I am interested in specifically are Bayern, Schalke, HSV and Frankfurt because they play in new arenas and these clubs stadiums are 95% full. I reckon most of these clubs and definitely Schalke and Bayern could fill the stadium if they had an extra 10,000 capacity.

In the european Top 20 this season, there were 8 german teams. Even 2nd league team 1. FC Köln (now promoted) was in that ranking :banana: they should definately fill the upper corners in Cologne!

http://www.nrhz.de/flyer/media/60_gl03_06.jpg

the columns that hold the roof are in the corners ... how are they suposed to fill that part?

i'm not an architect or somethin', these people should know better :D

Old stadium developments...the end of the Parkstadion (Schalke)

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/IMG_6773.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_01.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_04.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_21.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_22.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_23.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_53.JPG

http://www.schalke04.de/fileadmin/galerien/2008_080623_parkstadion/parkstadion_51.JPG

the columns that hold the roof are in the corners ... how are they suposed to fill that part?Simple: Redirect the weight and pressure. Redistribute the load of the stands into the supports for the new stands, and then bracket the new roofing such that it adds support for the existing roof. If necessary, add a column outside the stands that features a cable or other connection to the top of the roof and further redirect the load. Just look at ManU's last expansion.

what i meant with that is that he said "fill the corners" as if it was something you could do in a few days, and with no costs.....i´m sure it is possible to do, but it would be expensive, and as you said it would involve changes in the roofing.

Bayarena:

http://www.bayer04.de/bilder/07_08/06_t580/S5000206.jpg

I really hope they keep that stand behind the goal with 2 tiers of exec boxes it’s a very distinctive stand and more and more distinctive stands are disappearing so would be a shame to see another one going and I’m not quite sure but for me it is a symbol of Bayer Leverkusen. Does anyone have anyone know what is happening to that stand is the stadium becoming a complete bowl?

i think some other threads have been like joined into a more general one.. that why the thread of the "hyper dome" is now in the one of the dutch developments .... i supose that sercan's need to have everything tidy^^

Nice pano of the Veltins Arena:

http://auswaertssieg.schalkewelt.info/wp-content/mberghoefer/2008/20080622_pan_2.jpg

Stunning pic!

Hoffenheim:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/hoffenheim3.gif