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Galro
April 2nd, 2011, 02:36 PM
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm202/joopi_bucket/P1010494.jpg

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm202/joopi_bucket/P1010499.jpg
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm202/joopi_bucket/P1010500.jpg

IceCheese
April 11th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Have anyone else noticed Siv Jensen seems to be living in a completed DnBNOR building A in VG's "Sex og SingelSiv"-series? Kind-a cool. The illustrator must've seen the renders, to make it so detailed!

muster
April 11th, 2011, 08:43 PM
Have anyone else noticed Siv Jensen seems to be living in a completed DnBNOR building A in VG's "Sex og SingelSiv"-series? Kind-a cool. The illustrator must've seen the renders, to make it so detailed!

Yes, I have seen it and I had a good laugh. As you said, they must have studied the renders. Perhaps here in this thread?

BTW, the last episode is very funny when they fly over Grønland :lol:

City of Rain
April 11th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Yes, I have seen it and I had a good laugh. As you said, they must have studied the renders. Perhaps here in this thread?

BTW, the last episode is very funny when they fly over Grønland :lol:

Agree, love that part :D I hope they will show it to her and film her reaction, as they did with Jan Thomas. Would be priceless!

IceCheese
April 11th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Agree, love that part :D I hope they will show it to her and film her reaction, as they did with Jan Thomas. Would be priceless!

They kind of did... http://www.vgtv.no/#id=39430

Loved the Aladdin referance too:)

City of Rain
April 11th, 2011, 11:26 PM
Nice, thanks. Anders Bye's voice-acting is making her sound like an alcoholic.. :lol:

Ingenioren
April 19th, 2011, 11:10 AM
I guess all who pays attention to the webcam has seen it's now topped out on the first building..

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0387.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0380.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0381.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0384.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0385.jpg

... That bridge is the best place to do trainspotting :cheers:

marshol
April 19th, 2011, 04:19 PM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0384.jpg

Will be so nice to see the Snøhetta building rise here!

kjetilab
April 24th, 2011, 12:12 PM
Taken 23.04.2011
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/kjetilbalog/Oslo/april216.jpg

joamox
April 24th, 2011, 01:57 PM
That building looks pretty ugly I have to say, hopefully it will come out better when it is complete

Ingenioren
May 5th, 2011, 01:07 PM
I would really like to see some steel on the 2nd building now.... :)

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_03353.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_03363.jpg

muster
May 12th, 2011, 05:18 AM
I would really like to see some steel on the 2nd building now.... :)



You better go there and have a look then, because it is rising fast now ;)


:cheers:

Ingenioren
May 23rd, 2011, 03:39 PM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0354-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0369-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0365-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0366-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0368-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0367-1.jpg

Galro
May 24th, 2011, 02:56 PM
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010632.jpg

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010654.jpg

Where the fløibanen-like elevator will eventually be placed:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010633.jpg

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010642.jpg

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010663.jpg

Streetscape:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010660.jpg

Seen from Karl Johan:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010764.jpg

Seen from Grønland:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010692.jpg

Ingenioren
May 25th, 2011, 08:59 PM
A few more...:)
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0347-2.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0344-2.jpg

Waluigi
May 26th, 2011, 01:30 PM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0369-1.jpg

I would love a finished building with this look!

marshol
May 31st, 2011, 02:07 AM
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P5301724.jpg?t=1306800238

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P5301718.jpg?t=1306800323

Some trouble with the wind today. This concrete beam was slamming into the tower several times:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P5301717.jpg?t=1306800366

Hurban
May 31st, 2011, 03:07 AM
Where the fløibanen-like elevator will eventually be placed:




Not meaning to be a smart-ass but i think funicular is the correct term? :)


Nice updates everyone!!


Hurb

Galro
May 31st, 2011, 12:39 PM
Not meaning to be a smart-ass

Well, you failed then.
;)

but i think funicular is the correct term? :)

... But you are probably even if it pains me to say so. Seems like Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funicular) agrees with you.

kjetilab
June 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM
From Thursday
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n125/kjetilbalog/Oslo/juni099.jpg

marshol
June 7th, 2011, 09:26 PM
Steel mounting on building B now!

Ingenioren
June 7th, 2011, 09:38 PM
Just on schedule - and 2 months untill Deloitte :) But what about Mad?

muster
June 7th, 2011, 09:51 PM
Steel mounting on building B now!

Yeah, I saw that an hour ago. Steel for 3rd and 4th floor on C also.:) MAD shouldn't be to far away either.

Galro
June 7th, 2011, 09:55 PM
Have MAD started to rise yet? It was just a hole in the ground with some steelworks last time I went by.

muster
June 7th, 2011, 10:01 PM
Have MAD started to rise yet? It was just a hole in the ground with some steelworks last time I went by.

No, but it should rise soon I think.

Galro
June 7th, 2011, 10:02 PM
Ok. Thanks.

Ingenioren
June 7th, 2011, 10:05 PM
^^ Staircase towers and pillars are untill ground-level now. It is a much smaller building so residents will still be moving in there quicker than in salestep 3 anyway. It is illegal to use building C before Mad is in use (regulation plan trying to avoid holes in construction - see how that went:nuts:) so that is probably why C has been on hold for a while :)

Galro
June 7th, 2011, 10:21 PM
The C building is the staircase shaped one, right (it is so confusing the way they have labeled the buildings)? After what I've found, the MAD building is expected to be done in late 2012. So is the C building just going to stand empty a year or so?

Jonipoon
June 7th, 2011, 10:37 PM
Holy cow, a beautiful skyline popped up in Oslo without me noticing!

IceCheese
June 7th, 2011, 10:47 PM
DnBNOR B today:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20110607_006.jpg

DnBNOR A is getting glass roof:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20110607_007.jpg

Didn't bother capturing C, but as said, it's up at fourth floor now.

Ingenioren
June 7th, 2011, 11:01 PM
The C building is the staircase shaped one, right (it is so confusing the way they have labeled the buildings)? After what I've found, the MAD building is expected to be done in late 2012. So is the C building just going to stand empty a year or so?

Both will be finished during the winter of 12/13. I guess it would been easier if we had tradition of nick-naming buildings like Londoners :)

IceCheese
June 7th, 2011, 11:08 PM
^^Ok. DnBNOR Lene Alexandra DnBNOR Bimbo and DnBNOR Carl fra Paradise Hotel from now on.

Galro
June 9th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Seen from Karl Johan:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010764.jpg

The have put in windows since the last time I was there:
http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010988.jpg

http://i1179.photobucket.com/albums/x394/espeneckbo/P1010989.jpg

Ingenioren
June 15th, 2011, 05:24 PM
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0469.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0470.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0472.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0473.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0474.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0494.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0496.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0504.jpg

IceCheese
June 19th, 2011, 12:11 AM
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_0469.jpg

It's interesting to see how the glass-parts of the facade is turning out when comparing to the renders: (I'm speaking of that floor above the brick wall)

http://i.imgur.com/uTNNg.jpg

also webcam: http://osu.no/bjorvika-i-dag/now.jpg Note the "waterpipe" leading along the top brickfacade. Lots of weird design choices on this building!

All top floors will have the "piano key"-glass, ref. this render:

http://i.imgur.com/inCLl.jpg

IceCheese
June 22nd, 2011, 01:04 PM
Another picture further expressing my point. Sorry for big size again...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20110622_001.jpg

Galro
June 22nd, 2011, 01:53 PM
Will the "pipes" along the upper edges of the facade have any functions?

IceCheese
June 22nd, 2011, 08:24 PM
^^window cleaning.

Ingenioren
June 22nd, 2011, 10:00 PM
Looks pretty cool :)

marshol
June 26th, 2011, 05:12 PM
25.06.11

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251582.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251599.jpg

B:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251600.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251605.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251606.jpg

C:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P6251607.jpg

starkwell
June 27th, 2011, 08:13 PM
am i the only one who doesn't get (and doesn't particularly like) why this building is grey and not white?

IceCheese
June 27th, 2011, 08:18 PM
^^I hope the process they will make when done with all brick-works, (sandblåsing or whatever) will the building a bit lighter. Anyways, I don't think this is the final result, so affected by rain/wetness...

joamox
July 16th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Just throwing in a few extra photos

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_1634.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_1675.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o190/jmoxon/oslo%20bilder/IMG_1778.jpg

Tin_Can
July 18th, 2011, 11:31 PM
Interesting design and it looks quite nice. Imho,it would have been awesome if it would have had almost twice the height and as it was mentioned before,white brick tiles instead of grey ones. Still,it's a nice addition to Barcode.

Btw,inspired by Lego? :D

Galro
July 18th, 2011, 11:44 PM
^^I think the current building is pretty cool, but I would love to see something like this at Vaterland (the area around Oslo Plaza and Postgirobygget):
http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2008/09/56-leonard-street-by-herzog-de-meuron-03-woolworth-view-00_29937d.jpg

It have a similar design with many different setbacks, only here in glass/white and of course with thinner and higher. I guess this is closer to what you imaging?

Tin_Can
July 19th, 2011, 12:01 AM
Yes,smth like that. Current DnB building has good design,so basically another DnB on top of current building would be sufficient.

Galro
July 19th, 2011, 12:15 AM
No, that would like quite weird and out of line with the rest of the Barcode row imho. The city needs more higher and better quality buildings at Vaterland.
:)

IceCheese
July 19th, 2011, 12:37 AM
^^At the same time we should mirror the Barcode at the other side of the DEg avenue!:D

marshol
July 19th, 2011, 12:48 AM
...and over the rail tracks.

Ingenioren
July 19th, 2011, 08:34 PM
...And Bygdøy! :evil:

IceCheese
July 21st, 2011, 11:10 PM
Since we're in the middle of the cucumber-season, I guess the forumers here will take every bone I throw at you:

Norconsult has sent in applications for construction of Wismargata, which will be the street between DnBNOR A and DnBNOR C. Expected construction start is February 2012.

Casefile: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3185554
Map: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3185563


Btw, mister thread-keeper Trondheimr: The thread-title here sucks. It's three towers, fcs!

Osloborger
July 22nd, 2011, 11:58 AM
Since we're in the middle of the cucumber-season, I guess the forumers here will take every bone I throw at you:

Norconsult has sent in applications for construction of Wismargata, which will be the street between DnBNOR A and DnBNOR C. Expected construction start is February 2012.

Casefile: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3185554
Map: http://web102881.pbe.oslo.kommune.no/saksinnsyn/showfile.asp?fileid=3185563


Btw, mister thread-keeper Trondheimr: The thread-title here sucks. It's three towers, fcs!

What is "sandfang"? (mentioned in relation to overvannshåndtering/overflow)
I would also say that the street should be called Wismargaten, not gata which is slang.

IceCheese
July 22nd, 2011, 01:08 PM
What is "sandfang"? (mentioned in relation to overvannshåndtering/overflow)
I would also say that the street should be called Wismargaten, not gata which is slang.

About sand, I think it's just somewhere for the water to run, a layer beneath the stones/pavement. About gata, it's still the only official way of typing that word in Oslo, even if some 60+ politicians in Frogner borough seems to dislike it. This isn't Bergen.

marshol
July 31st, 2011, 02:16 AM
30.07.11

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P7301597.jpg?t=1312071323

marshol
July 31st, 2011, 02:29 AM
Norconsult has sent in applications for construction of Wismargata, which will be the street between DnBNOR A and DnBNOR C. Expected construction start is February 2012.

How it looks today:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/P7301589.jpg?t=1312072105

Galro
July 31st, 2011, 02:31 AM
Awesome the last angle. Really looking forward to when this is finished.

IceCheese
August 12th, 2011, 08:31 PM
I just wanted to express my joy over seeing a total off 4 bars rising at the same time. The project really is in it's peak now!:banana:

Updated webcam view:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/Bjrvkipano.jpg


What is "sandfang"? (mentioned in relation to overvannshåndtering/overflow)
I would also say that the street should be called Wismargaten, not gata which is slang.

I realized this at a later point. Sand is of course there to rinse the water.

Spindelbais
August 12th, 2011, 10:43 PM
This is the DnB from yesterday. :)

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g429/HenkeH/P8111590.jpg

http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g429/HenkeH/P8111589.jpg

Galro
August 16th, 2011, 05:35 PM
Today:
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020594.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020597.jpg


Building C:
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020569.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020578.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020575.jpg

Seeing to Sørenga:
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020583.jpg


Building A:
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020576.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020577.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020573.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020572.jpg

http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/P1020580.jpg

IceCheese
August 16th, 2011, 05:55 PM
^^STILL not comfortable naming the buildings!:nuts:

Galro
August 16th, 2011, 06:06 PM
Happy now?

starkwell
August 22nd, 2011, 06:28 PM
starting to look really dense now the missing 'bars' are going up...

Broda
August 31st, 2011, 10:32 AM
I have to admit that when the barcode project is complete (and even more so when krystallen is built) Oslo will, by far, have the best skyline in the nordics!
Greetings from Sweden :cheers:

Osloborger
August 31st, 2011, 11:22 AM
I have to admit that when the barcode project is complete (and even more so when krystallen is built) Oslo will, by far, have the best skyline in the nordics!
Greetings from Sweden :cheers:

Very kind of you to say so. I am also optimistic about the future skyline of Oslo, but it must be said that the seaside of Stockholm is quite sublime. The difference is that Stockholm has a more complete and well preserved classical architechture while Oslo will have a more modern apperance. A 100 years ago, Sweden was rich and Norway poor. Today, things have turned around a bit, even though Sweden isn't poor.

Galro
August 31st, 2011, 12:50 PM
A 100 years ago, Sweden was rich and Norway poor.
Oslo as a city was richer than Stockholm in the late 19th century and the early 20th century. The reasons we don't have well persevered classical architecture are many but they don't have anything do to with that:

First our old town burned down completely to the ground 1623 with all the important churches and its glory.
Then the industry started to settled around fjord which meant that very few places had any historic waterfronts at all.
Then the modernism hit (earlier here than any place else in the Nordics) and the historic buildings went out of fashion and we started on development-projects like Vika and a general simplifying on the appearance of our buildings. If you want to see examples of this then look in the Oslo of Yore tread.
Then the war come and a few buildings were bombed and destroyed- Vitoria Terrase, Jerbanetorget, and a bunch of buildings in Filistadulykken.The war would also results in a general dislike towards Germans things, and our architecture was mainly German.
And then lastly we got a big housing shortage after the war. Le Corbusier ideas were in fashions and we got a dirty city full of industries, so the big suburbian sprawl started with commies everywhere and grade separated freeways running through our waterfront. This is what we are trying to recover from now.

:)

muster
August 31st, 2011, 01:16 PM
I have to admit that when the barcode project is complete (and even more so when krystallen is built)

There are also good chances for two highrises in the Fjordporten project :banana: But we really need some 150-200 m highrises over the traintracks though. Crossing my fingers..

Osloborger
August 31st, 2011, 06:57 PM
Oslo as a city was richer than Stockholm in the late 19th century and the early 20th century. The reasons we don't have well persevered classical architecture are many but they don't have anything do to with that:

First our old town burned down completely to the ground 1623 with all the important churches and its glory.
Then the industry started to settled around fjord which meant that very few places had any historic waterfronts at all.
Then the modernism hit (earlier here than any place else in the Nordics) and the historic buildings went out of fashion and we started on development-projects like Vika and a general simplifying on the appearance of our buildings. If you want to see examples of this then look in the Oslo of Yore tread.
Then the war come and a few buildings were bombed and destroyed- Vitoria Terrase, Jerbanetorget, and a bunch of buildings in Filistadulykken.The war would also results in a general dislike towards Germans things, and our architecture was mainly German.
And then lastly we got a big housing shortage after the war. Le Corbusier ideas were in fashions and we got a dirty city full of industries, so the big suburbian sprawl started with commies everywhere and grade separated freeways running through our waterfront. This is what we are trying to recover from now.

:)

My knowledge of Norwegian history is not too sharp, so I won't challenge your points. Still, my understanding is that we didn't have the same level of aristocracy and upper class population that Sweden and Denmark had and so the city development was probably lacking a bit when it came to luxury ambition. This would explain why we have relatively fewer luxury buildings.

And considering we were in a union with Sweden a little over a 100 years ago, I think it's fair to say that we were the poorer nation at that time.

Galro
August 31st, 2011, 07:13 PM
My knowledge of Norwegian history is not too sharp, so I won't challenge your points. Still, my understanding is that we didn't have the same level of aristocracy and upper class population that Sweden and Denmark had and so the city development was probably lacking a bit when it came to luxury ambition.

We had a different upper class. Our consisted of business mens who made their money on newly established businesses and architects who had earn their money in the building boom. We didn't have much a cultural upper class with actresses etc. though. These rather went to Paris, Berlin or Copenhagen.

This would explain why we have relatively fewer luxury buildings.

Det Engelske Kvarter, Pariserskvartalet and Victoria Terrasse were the most expensive apartment complex you could find in Scandinavia. In fact the whole area around Drammensveien, Skillebekk and Gimle only consisted of luxurious apartments. Some of the these buildings have sadly been simplified a lot since they were built - examples of this 1 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=81517758&postcount=833) and 2 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=81247634&postcount=828). Many of the luxurious buildings were also in the suburbia along Holmenkollbanen, Nordstrand, Bærum. They weren't placed as central as in Stockholm but that was to get away from the dirty, polluting industry which you would find along the waterfront and along Akersevla. This is also why we were the first to introduce trams and metro to Scandinavia - to serve the new suburbia.

And considering we were in a union with Sweden a little over a 100 years ago, I think it's fair to say that we were the poorer nation at that time.
When we went in the union, yes. Not when we went out.

essenze
August 31st, 2011, 10:21 PM
Oslo as a city was richer than Stockholm in the late 19th century and the early 20th century. The reasons we don't have well persevered classical architecture are many but they don't have anything do to with that:

First our old town burned down completely to the ground 1623 with all the important churches and its glory.
Then the industry started to settled around fjord which meant that very few places had any historic waterfronts at all.
Then the modernism hit (earlier here than any place else in the Nordics) and the historic buildings went out of fashion and we started on development-projects like Vika and a general simplifying on the appearance of our buildings. If you want to see examples of this then look in the Oslo of Yore tread.
Then the war come and a few buildings were bombed and destroyed- Vitoria Terrase, Jerbanetorget, and a bunch of buildings in Filistadulykken.The war would also results in a general dislike towards Germans things, and our architecture was mainly German.
And then lastly we got a big housing shortage after the war. Le Corbusier ideas were in fashions and we got a dirty city full of industries, so the big suburbian sprawl started with commies everywhere and grade separated freeways running through our waterfront. This is what we are trying to recover from now.

:)

Kudos for an excellent analysis! And your last sentence is so very, very true :)

joamox
September 1st, 2011, 12:10 AM
Oslo as a city was richer than Stockholm in the late 19th century and the early 20th century. The reasons we don't have well persevered classical architecture are many but they don't have anything do to with that:

First our old town burned down completely to the ground 1623 with all the important churches and its glory.
Then the industry started to settled around fjord which meant that very few places had any historic waterfronts at all.
Then the modernism hit (earlier here than any place else in the Nordics) and the historic buildings went out of fashion and we started on development-projects like Vika and a general simplifying on the appearance of our buildings. If you want to see examples of this then look in the Oslo of Yore tread.
Then the war come and a few buildings were bombed and destroyed- Vitoria Terrase, Jerbanetorget, and a bunch of buildings in Filistadulykken.The war would also results in a general dislike towards Germans things, and our architecture was mainly German.
And then lastly we got a big housing shortage after the war. Le Corbusier ideas were in fashions and we got a dirty city full of industries, so the big suburbian sprawl started with commies everywhere and grade separated freeways running through our waterfront. This is what we are trying to recover from now.

:)

Dont want to go too far with this off-topic, but I am wondering on what basis you say Oslo was richer than Stockholm 100 years ago?
Im curious more than anything because I dont know what measure was used to assess wealth back then.

By the way, the old town that burned down in 1624 had only one church: the cathedral. The other churches and monasteries had been lost earlier to successive fires and plagues.

Galro
September 1st, 2011, 02:04 AM
Dont want to go too far with this off-topic, but I am wondering on what basis you say Oslo was richer than Stockholm 100 years ago?

This was the average income for the Nordic countries in the period. I think it is fair to say that the highest earners were in the capitals. I also believe we had greater difference between rich and poor - large areas of the city consisted of slum areas (Grønland, Vika) and other parts of the country were still poor and dependent on farming. This means that it must have been some in the rich end pulling our average up.
http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa352/ruterruter/knomisk.png
From the national bank of Poland: http://www.nbp.pl/konferencje/radisson/Mowcy/krantz/krantz_paper.pdf

I haven't found any graph showing the Bnp from any other countries than Sweden and Finland (check the link above) though, but I have seen some before so I would try to find it later.


By the way, the old town that burned down in 1624 had only one church: the cathedral. The other churches and monasteries had been lost earlier to successive fires and plagues.

Okay I wasn't aware of that. But my point was we don't have a historic waterfront partly due to unfortunately incidents like fires you describe etc., and not because we were uncivilized cavemens.
;)

marshol
September 9th, 2011, 02:08 AM
Back on topic.
Update, 08.09.11

Building C soon 12 floors now:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081598.jpg

Frames, ready for cladding:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081600.jpg

The shape is very apparent now:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081601.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081611.jpg

B:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081603.jpg

muster
September 9th, 2011, 02:16 AM
C is soon topped out :banana: Thanks for the photos!

Galro
September 9th, 2011, 12:34 PM
Back on topic.


The shape is very apparent now:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P9081611.jpg


I love this angle! :cheers: Thanks for the update!

Ingenioren
September 16th, 2011, 10:19 PM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0661-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0662-1.jpg

Red panels going up building C (Also note MAD):
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0663-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0686-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0688.jpg

Ingenioren
September 28th, 2011, 10:16 PM
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1369.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1370.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1383.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1386.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1387.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1388.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1389.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1391.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1404.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1406.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1410.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1413.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1414.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll218/Ingenioren/DSC_1417.jpg

OnTheNorthRoad
September 28th, 2011, 10:58 PM
Promising messy-ness on the fat DNB Nor building and nice progress on the C building. Would have been amazing if it were three times as high though.

Galro
September 29th, 2011, 12:15 AM
^^ The Krystallklar project have a somewhat similar them to it though (with different setbacks and stuff).

Ingenioren
September 29th, 2011, 05:58 AM
Or this...

http://cdn.archdaily.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/678001645_mvrdv2.jpg
(Illustration: Mvrdv)

starkwell
October 1st, 2011, 12:15 AM
or even just white, instead of shitty beige...

marshol
October 5th, 2011, 10:48 PM
There can never be too many updates:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051615.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051614.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051616.jpg

North facade on building A almost complete:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051618.jpg

B:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051619.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051629.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051620.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051626.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051627.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051638.jpg

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/PA051640.jpg

IceCheese
October 13th, 2011, 12:41 AM
I guess I'm not the only one who received an e-mail today from OSU. Seems sales start for step 3 (DnBNOR B) is approaching. They speak of 25 apartments with great view, but I'm guessing the total number of apartments is higher than this (operakvarteret.no says ~40).

This is exciting news for pregression in the next steps, Lund Hagem-kvartalet. That's the real beauties!:banana:

Osloborger
October 13th, 2011, 12:47 AM
I guess I'm not the only one who received an e-mail today from OSU. Seems sales start for step 3 (DnBNOR B) is approaching. They speak of 25 apartments with great view, but I'm guessing the total number of apartments is higher than this (operakvarteret.no says ~40).

This is exciting news for pregression in the next steps, Lund Hagem-kvartalet. That's the real beauties!:banana:

I got my mail also, but found no trace of boligtrinn 3 on their site. I'm really curious on how this building will turn out. I seem to remember having read that the top apartments are expected to be quite desirable.

IceCheese
October 13th, 2011, 01:02 AM
The render from the email futures a new design on Lund-Hagem kvartalets roof terrace as well, so I guess I'll just post it:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/photo.jpg

Ingenioren
October 13th, 2011, 02:44 PM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0112-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0114-1.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0117-1.jpg

Galro
October 21st, 2011, 03:39 PM
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00053.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00056.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00153.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00050.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00061.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/DSC00117.jpg

IceCheese
October 21st, 2011, 06:08 PM
^^Haha, that last pic was completely random!:lol:

OnTheNorthRoad
October 21st, 2011, 06:36 PM
Thanks for the updates!

Nice to see that they mount glass on the C building so early on. The area between Visma and the fat DNB Nor building will be awesome. Great architecture and density.

Galro
October 21st, 2011, 08:21 PM
^^Haha, that last pic was completely random!:lol:

I had to walk 20 min to take it too! :cheers:

IceCheese
October 21st, 2011, 08:58 PM
Take the 70 to the beginning of Svartdalsveien, and you get the perfect angle of Plaza, PGB and Barcode. Of course, it looks best with some zoom, though.

Galro
October 22nd, 2011, 12:30 AM
^^ The whole Ekeberg hill is filled with good photo angles. That's the beauty of hills!

Galro
October 31st, 2011, 05:01 PM
http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/P1030185.jpg

http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x362/accessing/P1030317.jpg

Ingenioren
November 4th, 2011, 04:55 PM
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC_0135.jpg

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv353/Ingenioren2/DSC_0137.jpg

marshol
November 9th, 2011, 12:54 AM
Nice weather for some photos.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081615.jpg

I like this building more and more:
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PB081610.jpg

starkwell
November 11th, 2011, 12:25 AM
^^

i still hate the colour, it's not white and it's not black - how many barcodes have a shitty beige strip in them?

podline
November 11th, 2011, 12:40 AM
I like it too. even the color , it's the empire state building color. what can be ugly with that?

dexter26
November 11th, 2011, 04:57 AM
^^

i still hate the colour, it's not white and it's not black - how many barcodes have a shitty beige strip in them?

I agree with you on this one. Although I don't think the building is horrible (any longer) - it's grown on me a bit. But I thought initially it would be white(ish) so I was a bit disappointed for a while when seeing this color.

But as I said, it has grown on me a bit now. Overall I don't "hate" the building any longer, though I can't say I'd give top score either.

muster
November 11th, 2011, 05:02 AM
The building looks better in close up, than viewed from distance.

TheGemini
November 11th, 2011, 08:46 AM
The building looks better in close up, than viewed from distance.

I agree, but waht strikes me more and more is that i`m going to miss depth to the whole Barcode strech. Some nighbours would be grat for the overall depth i think;)

Ingenioren
November 11th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Where did you get the idea it was going to be white? I've never seen a render of it being white...

dexter26
November 11th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Where did you get the idea it was going to be white? I've never seen a render of it being white...

1. I said white(ish) - ISH!! :bash: :lol: (just kidding)
2. Take a look at the renders in the opening post. To me, most of the renders do look whiteISH there.

Galro
November 11th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Looks more gray to me there.

dexter26
November 11th, 2011, 07:23 PM
^^ Well, it at least looks quite a bit different from the bricks that were used in reality, in my eyes. Brighter. Only in one or two of the renders do I get a clear impression that it's even bricks that's going to be the material.

Osloborger
November 13th, 2011, 12:38 AM
http://bilde.dinside.no/nye+dnb+skal+bytte+ut+millioner+av+bankkort.jpg?o=4153284&w=548&frame=0&ee=
http://www.dinside.no/882532/nye-dnb-skal-bytte-ut-millioner-av-bankkort

IceCheese
November 13th, 2011, 03:31 AM
^^OT, but how incredibly stupid to switch out all bank-cards. I got a new one with DnBNOR-logo this week!! Couldn't they just have waited a week or two to send it out?!

But a nice render of the building. I like how the logo stretches over 5 floors.

virgule82
November 13th, 2011, 07:00 PM
^^OT, but how incredibly stupid to switch out all bank-cards. I got a new one with DnBNOR-logo this week!! Couldn't they just have waited a week or two to send it out?!

But a nice render of the building. I like how the logo stretches over 5 floors.

"Men postkassetyver trenger ikke stå klar i dagene fremover, for banken kommer ikke til å sende ut alle kortene med en gang.

- Det kommer til å skje etter hvert som de gamle kortene går ut på dato, sier konsernsjef Rune Bjerke i en pressemelding."

No need to worry about your card then.


It is a nice render, but again that is not the real color, unless they're planning to paint over the bricks.

starkwell
November 13th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Where did you get the idea it was going to be white? I've never seen a render of it being white...

yeah, but you have seen a barcode, right?

i know the 'black' stripes of the barcode aren't black in this development, more dark grey, but there are white buildings in the development, even a light grey would have been better, but this looks brown, it just doesn't fit with the barcode...

mjoks007
November 15th, 2011, 02:36 PM
Trappebank i Barcode (http://www.tu.no/bygg/article293455.ece)

starkwell
November 15th, 2011, 07:52 PM
from today...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01428.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/DSC01425.jpg

virgule82
November 15th, 2011, 10:14 PM
^^ I really like the first one. The fogginess almost looks sandstormlike combined with with the brown colors, like something from the Gulf.

marshol
December 7th, 2011, 07:34 PM
07.12.11

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071605.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/PC071627.jpg

IceCheese
December 7th, 2011, 10:25 PM
"Ok, now that we're done with the 8th floor, now where should we continue building, chief?"

"I know. Let us start on the 13th floor. That'll be one impressive move!"

:lol:

Ingenioren
December 21st, 2011, 10:32 AM
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0242.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0245.jpg

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0250.jpg

IceCheese
January 19th, 2012, 06:57 PM
First pieces of cladding on DNB building C!:cheers::banana:

Crappy phone-picture as usual:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20120119_004.jpg


It's darker than what the renders showed, but I still like it a lot!:)

marshol
January 19th, 2012, 11:04 PM
Not bad. :okay:

IceCheese
February 2nd, 2012, 09:03 PM
Captured a render from PBE showing how the DNB-complex will look from the Oslo S side. Earlier renders have mostly shown it from the south side...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/20120202_009.jpg

UrbanLife
February 2nd, 2012, 11:32 PM
Awsome. The whole Barcode really starts to rise! Not convinced the street life will be as crowded as expexted, but we'll see..

podline
February 3rd, 2012, 07:11 PM
what's that 17 storey building to the left? i thought i have read about a 20 storey building there

IceCheese
February 3rd, 2012, 10:34 PM
^^The case-files belong to DNB, so renders including other buildings really have no legal value...

starkwell
February 5th, 2012, 04:33 PM
040212

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/065.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/064.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/063.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/062.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/066.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/071.jpg

OnTheNorthRoad
February 13th, 2012, 02:09 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6863918819_0ee44390ed.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsaaby/6863918819/)
dense city (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsaaby/6863918819/) by tsaaby (http://www.flickr.com/people/tsaaby/), on Flickr

Another photo taken during the gathering of nordic (capital) city architects in Oslo.

Elevator shaft almost glassed out. Man, it looks sweet! :banana:

TheGemini
February 13th, 2012, 02:21 PM
Totally agree;)

marshol
February 25th, 2012, 12:50 AM
C building cladding:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241618.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241619.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241624.jpg


B building topped out:

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241621.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241622.jpg


http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P2241657.jpg

starkwell
February 25th, 2012, 01:19 AM
if they'd only done building A in that shiny black!!!

Þróndeimr
February 25th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Cladding on C looks great, maybe should have been darker. And saying it again: still not liking the color on A...

IceCheese
February 25th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Cladding on C looks great, maybe should have been darker. And saying it again: still not liking the color on A...

Darker than black?:D I don't think marshol's camera represent the color that good. It's pretty dark...

Þróndeimr
February 25th, 2012, 07:12 PM
^^ well, in building materials there is many blacks, and in those pictures it looks to be more grey than black! But i believe you, as i can see the pictures aren't of greatest quality. :)

OnTheNorthRoad
February 25th, 2012, 07:27 PM
The pictures are okay:-)

Remember that reproducing black is one of the difficult tasks of digital processing.

Colour on A appears better in real life. Just can't wait for Lund Hagem to be built so that it can compensate for the horizontalness of building B.

Mr. Love Architectur
March 29th, 2012, 12:45 AM
WOW! big news.

cladding has allready commenced on the eastern most building of DnB buildings. The one with apartments on top and air inbetween. White stone/marble it seemed. Cladding has started on the west side of the building.

starkwell
March 31st, 2012, 01:18 PM
from this morning....

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/002-2.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/005-1.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/006-1.jpg

starkwell
March 31st, 2012, 01:19 PM
Interesting here to compare how tall the skinny one looks, and how heavy the fat one looks

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/010-4.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/011-6.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/012-3.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/013-4.jpg

starkwell
March 31st, 2012, 01:20 PM
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/033-3.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/034-1.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w255/greatcentral/035-3.jpg

GlennHGSD
March 31st, 2012, 02:46 PM
the slim building looks twice as tall as the rest. i know it isn't.. but.. damn, what an effect!

marshol
April 9th, 2012, 12:46 AM
Close up of the newest cladding. Whity white.

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k439/marshol/Utvikling/P3311631.jpg

IceCheese
April 22nd, 2012, 06:32 AM
OSU and Røisland & Co. presents Operakvarteret step 3

41 apartments in floor 9-15 in building B of the DnB-complex, in sizes ranging from 47 sqm to 160 sqm. Starting on 2 700 000 NOK for the smallest, to 15 500 500 for the penthouse apartment.


Building seen from north-east (I'm pretty sure we see the facade pattern of this building for the first time)
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_1200763818_xl.jpg


Barcode at night
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_2060869653_xl.jpg


With a view facing Lund Hagem-kvartalet
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_643087223_xl.jpg


Fantastic view from the top terrace
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_627990933_xl.jpg


Sales start April 26th. Expected completion is 1st quarter 2014.

Link to advertisement: http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/newbuildings/object?finnkode=34052140

IceCheese
April 22nd, 2012, 07:00 AM
^^The renders are really tricky, and try to hide the Lund Hagem-building closest to the DnB-complex. That building (the 20-floorer) is actually taller than DnB B.

http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l608/ingenioren4/DSC_0582.jpg

Osloborger
April 23rd, 2012, 12:15 AM
OSU and Røisland & Co. presents Operakvarteret step 3

41 apartments in floor 9-15 in building B of the DnB-complex, in sizes ranging from 47 sqm to 160 sqm. Starting on 2 700 000 NOK for the smallest, to 15 500 500 for the penthouse apartment.


The penthouse apartment is actually tagged with "contact the agent for price information".

15.5 MNOK is for the second most pricey appartment.

IceCheese
April 23rd, 2012, 12:27 AM
^^I forgot to check the Operakvarteret-site, I guess.

Might as well link to the prospect (with even a few more close-up renders): http://flipbook.no/ok/prospekt-trinn3/files/assets/downloads/publication.pdf

katia72
April 23rd, 2012, 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=IceCheese;90679890]OSU and Røisland & Co. presents Operakvarteret step 3

41 apartments in floor 9-15 in building B of the DnB-complex, in sizes ranging from 47 sqm to 160 sqm. Starting on 2 700 000 NOK for the smallest, to 15 500 500 for the penthouse apartment.


Building seen from north-east (I'm pretty sure we see the facade pattern of this building for the first time)
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_1200763818_xl.jpg


Barcode at night
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/IceCheese/40_2060869653_xl.jpg

LØP OG KJØP.......! This building is STUNNING!
I wish more buildings like that one in Oslo...and of course a little bit higher :)
I would put something like this one and Deloitte-Huset behind "Vestbanestasjonen"

Galro
April 23rd, 2012, 11:37 PM
No, thank you ...

OnTheNorthRoad
April 24th, 2012, 12:02 AM
The first new render that IceCheese posted is the first one of the B building that I actually like. I'm glad they have done something with the facade(the patterns) and that the windows are large.

What I discovered today that I don't like about the C building (the staircase-building), and the only thing about it that I don't like, is the dark grey panels on top of every "step".

IceCheese
April 24th, 2012, 01:17 AM
^^Would be cool if they had logos or something there, just as is planned with the VISMA-building.

Mr. Love Architectur
May 1st, 2012, 03:56 PM
First of all, does anybody know how many apartments were sold when they started selling the apartments on top of DnB? theyre always too late to update the page with info!

Here are some pics from today; 1st of may.

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcode12.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur
May 1st, 2012, 03:57 PM
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcode13.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur
May 1st, 2012, 03:58 PM
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcode14.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur
May 1st, 2012, 03:58 PM
http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz244/weidel23/barcode111.jpg

Mr. Love Architectur
May 1st, 2012, 04:04 PM
On a personal note, i really do think that mid DnB building is one of Norways absolute coolest office building. It has a definite international cut to it, and it will just look even better as the area develops in my opinion. If the plots in front of barcode gets a very varied and differentiated look, it will certainly and without doubt become one of the coolest CBD's around! What i really dont understand though, is why theyre not building alongside the fjord, say both on the eastside of sørenga and in front of barcode NOW! It will only further delay the development, and i dont see why it wouldnt be better to build more at the same time, escpecially where there is nothing going on! it would also better the conditions to those moving in early! come on, lets see more development sooner and escpecially at bispevika and eastside of sørenga!

IceCheese
May 1st, 2012, 04:15 PM
^^The time schedule is based on when Statens vegvesen are done with each step of their road project. They're basicly building as fast as they can.

IceCheese
May 2nd, 2012, 05:18 PM
14 of the 41 apartments have been sold the first few days. Considering price level, and time to completetion, I think that's pretty fair. Note, almost everyone are towards the "inner courtyard", and none of the ones with a view.

marshol
May 8th, 2012, 11:54 PM
From a new angle:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/71731464.jpg


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/71731421.jpg