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LSU Tigers
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4x Champion:
1908, 1958, 2003, 2007
opened 1924 and renovated 2005
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Irish Blood English Heart June 9th, 2008, 04:14 PM Another huge stadium in american college sports.
en1044 June 9th, 2008, 07:33 PM loudest stadium in college football
Indiana Jones June 9th, 2008, 07:38 PM The crowd once registered on a nearby seismograph.
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Walbanger June 10th, 2008, 10:58 AM Love it, nice to see a steeper lower bowl, that must get pretty rowdy.
Love the goal posts, are they a refference to the posts of old, like Rugby?
en1044 June 10th, 2008, 05:57 PM Love it, nice to see a steeper lower bowl, that must get pretty rowdy.
Love the goal posts, are they a refference to the posts of old, like Rugby?
yeah, and i believe only four colleges still use that style, but im not positive
danny1010 June 10th, 2008, 06:32 PM yeah, and i believe only four colleges still use that style, but im not positiveThe only one besides LSU, I can think off is Florida State. I'm not sure the story behind LSU's, but I know for Florida State that it was a good luck tradition for the team to run under the old H shaped goalposts when entering the stadium, so FSU petitioned the NCAA to allow them to have the modern double uprights.
Someone once told me that LSU had the double uprights because it was much harder for the students to tear down, but I have a feeling that's more of a urban legend.
Walbanger June 10th, 2008, 06:47 PM Thats quality. Do student often pull posts down?
The only time I remember that happening in Australian Football was a game at Waverly Park in the late 90's (between Essedon and St Kilda) where a car accident near the ground caused the floor lights to go out and the game was abandoned. The fans being pissed off ripped up benches, chairs and the goal posts and had a bonfire in the middle of the oval.
MRichR June 10th, 2008, 06:51 PM It doesn't happen every week, but enough to where they now have specially designed "break-away" goal posts. Either that or they design them so that it's virtually impossible to tear them down. There have been a few instances of bad injuries, and resulting lawsuits, so schools are much more careful about such stuff now.
dande June 10th, 2008, 07:01 PM They call it "death valley"?
en1044 June 10th, 2008, 07:04 PM They call it "death valley"?
yup...because it gets so loud. they call it the same thing at Clemson University also
MRichR June 10th, 2008, 07:06 PM Also referred to as "deaf valley"
swerve3030 June 12th, 2008, 07:27 AM Just an amazing landmark when your driving over the Mississippi bridge going into Baton Rouge.
lorevi June 12th, 2008, 09:00 PM What about capacity if the upper deck will be complete?
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en1044 June 12th, 2008, 09:21 PM What about capacity if the upper deck will be complete?
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easily over 100k, maybe 110k??
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Carrerra June 12th, 2008, 09:47 PM I don't understand why Americans fail to show in American football stadiums the aesthetics that they show in baseball park. Nearly all of American football stadiums are mere concrete monsters to me with the exception of few recently built. No offense but seriously they remind me of American junk food not sporting venue. They are all just big, big, big, big, big, big, big and that's all I feel. There is nothing more than that in American football stadiums. Nothing impressive and nothing aesthetic ever indeed! Where were your architects in building those stadiums? Did they construct the stadiums without architects to save designing cost? Beyond being not understandable, they are even a mistery to me.
wizziko June 12th, 2008, 10:15 PM Someone once told me that LSU had the double uprights because it was much harder for the students to tear down, but I have a feeling that's more of a urban legend.
I don't think thats true but I don't have an answer for it either
Also referred to as "deaf valley"
yea thats what it was originally but people mistook it for "death valley" and that stuck
What about capacity if the upper deck will be complete?
here is a pic I got from a poster on TigerDroppings.com of the enclosed upper deck. I would say the capacity in this pic is about 115,000.
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For the 2009 season, they will add a new scoreboard to the North endzone. There are plans to add onto the south endzone but as of now they are only talking about adding more suites.
danny1010 June 12th, 2008, 10:21 PM I assume you're talking mainly about these college football stadiums, since most of the recent NFL stadia do pay quite a bit of attention to asthetics.
You have to look at when many of these stadiums were built. It's not like these asthetically attractive and contemporary designs were being built in the 1900-1940 era anywhere else in world. College football embraces tradition more dearly than most other sports and this also translates into their stadia.
Universities rarely build a new stadium to replace an old one. They expand and renovate the existing stadium to hold onto the traditions and history that was built there. Also in doing so, these expansions try to maintain the architecture from the original structure instead of creating something that would look disjointed.
Of course, this process reduces the chance of something groundbreaking, but most college football fans would prefer to hang on to the history that they are so proud of. It's the most recent construction (whether new or a renovation) where you're seeing a impressive fascades and a greater focus on aesthetics.
You've also got to remember these are non-profit organizations... universities... schools of higher education. It's not their mission to build the prettiest stadiums.
en1044 June 12th, 2008, 11:41 PM I don't understand why Americans fail to show in American football stadiums the aesthetics that they show in baseball park. Nearly all of American football stadiums are mere concrete monsters to me with the exception of few recently built. No offense but seriously they remind me of American junk food not sporting venue. They are all just big, big, big, big, big, big, big and that's all I feel. There is nothing more than that in American football stadiums. Nothing impressive and nothing aesthetic ever indeed! Where were your architects in building those stadiums? Did they construct the stadiums without architects to save designing cost? Beyond being not understandable, they are even a mistery to me.
college stadiums arent built all at once, it took years for the big ones to get where they are now. You build when you can afford it. Asthetics arent important in college, and likely never will be. The point is to fit as many people in as possible, however that may be. Remember, this is not a professional sport, people dont go for the amenities, they go to see the team play and thats it. No one really cares what the stadium looks like. When your goal is to jam a whole bunch of people in, do aesthetics matter?
salaverryo June 12th, 2008, 11:54 PM College football is not concerned with the comfort of spectators as pro football is. The stands don't have individual seats, there's hardly any luxury boxes, the stadiums are seldom -if ever- roofed over, etc. The point is, colleges try to build as big a bowl as they can to pack the most people in, like sardines.
Indiana Jones June 13th, 2008, 12:05 AM I like monstrosity of the college stadiums. Most of them are pretty ugly, but they pack a lot of people in close and serve the purpose of being intimidating. They are aesthetically pleasing in their own odd way. Then again if you are really into modern design these are not going to be your cup of tea.
Concrete monsters are often beloved stadiums all over the world. The San Siro, Azteca, Camp Nou, The Bombonera, all brilliant.
www.sercan.de June 13th, 2008, 12:14 AM does somebody have gor section plans of some NFL / college stadiums?
how steep is the 2nd tier :nuts:
HUSKER June 13th, 2008, 01:51 AM Theres nothing like college stadiums., The atmosphere, the tradition, the conferences, man, its great., Death Valley at night is intimidating., the games vs. Auburn and Alabama are clasics., 92,000 bayou fans, man, in very few soccer stadiums around the world can you see something quite like it
pcw100 February 9th, 2011, 04:12 AM I don't understand why Americans fail to show in American football stadiums the aesthetics that they show in baseball park. Nearly all of American football stadiums are mere concrete monsters to me with the exception of few recently built. No offense but seriously they remind me of American junk food not sporting venue. They are all just big, big, big, big, big, big, big and that's all I feel. There is nothing more than that in American football stadiums. Nothing impressive and nothing aesthetic ever indeed! Where were your architects in building those stadiums? Did they construct the stadiums without architects to save designing cost? Beyond being not understandable, they are even a mistery to me.
Like en1044 said, they construct when they have the money. When Huey long wanted to expand the stadium he bypassed the legislature by building dorm rooms in the stadium and stands over them. You can still see the dorm rooms but no one lives in or goes in there
annie_himself February 9th, 2011, 06:28 AM Does anyone know the capacity now? I think its around 110,000.
FloridaKnight February 9th, 2011, 06:31 AM Does anyone know the capacity now? I think its around 110,000.
Nope, its still the same - 92,400. No new construction planned either that I'm aware of.
mattec February 9th, 2011, 06:41 AM Like en1044 said, they construct when they have the money. When Huey long wanted to expand the stadium he bypassed the legislature by building dorm rooms in the stadium and stands over them. You can still see the dorm rooms but no one lives in or goes in there
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FloridaKnight February 9th, 2011, 07:02 AM Having a residence hall built into a stadium isn't a rare thing though. At UF the stadium was built over Yon Hall, which housed students until 1996 after the NCAA ruling abolished athletic residence halls. It is now office space for other departments at the University.
Dallas boi February 9th, 2011, 04:55 PM I don't understand why Americans fail to show in American football stadiums the aesthetics that they show in baseball park. Nearly all of American football stadiums are mere concrete monsters to me with the exception of few recently built. No offense but seriously they remind me of American junk food not sporting venue. They are all just big, big, big, big, big, big, big and that's all I feel. There is nothing more than that in American football stadiums. Nothing impressive and nothing aesthetic ever indeed! Where were your architects in building those stadiums? Did they construct the stadiums without architects to save designing cost? Beyond being not understandable, they are even a mistery to me.This stadium was built in 1924, it's not going to be beautiful and modern!
rantanamo February 9th, 2011, 07:13 PM I don't understand why Americans fail to show in American football stadiums the aesthetics that they show in baseball park. Nearly all of American football stadiums are mere concrete monsters to me with the exception of few recently built. No offense but seriously they remind me of American junk food not sporting venue. They are all just big, big, big, big, big, big, big and that's all I feel. There is nothing more than that in American football stadiums. Nothing impressive and nothing aesthetic ever indeed! Where were your architects in building those stadiums? Did they construct the stadiums without architects to save designing cost? Beyond being not understandable, they are even a mistery to me.
a.) You're talking about college stadium that have been piece mealed together through many expansions. The large stadiums in Europe that have undergone many expansions have the same look on the exterior. Its because they likely aren't finished. Places like Bernabeu and Old Trafford aren't exactly works or art on the exterior.
b.) Most newer NFL Stadiums are different. You may not exactly like their exterior, but most have finished exteriors whether you choose to ignore that or not is up to you, but you're ignoring it.
c.) I think sometimes the competition between continents goes to our heads. I could easily ask what is up with the exteriors of most European Stadiums compare the MLB Ballparks. Most stadiums even in Europe are not built with exteriors like Allianz or say Donbass. They just aren't. For example, what is up with Da Luz?
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rantanamo February 9th, 2011, 07:16 PM Having a residence hall built into a stadium isn't a rare thing though. At UF the stadium was built over Yon Hall, which housed students until 1996 after the NCAA ruling abolished athletic residence halls. It is now office space for other departments at the University.
DKR has a dorm and office space in Belmont Hall, which is built into the west side stands(the big curved upper deck side. All active and home to the athletics department. That's why it looks like a big grey monolith on the exterior of that side.
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also shows that there is an exterior on large college stadiums
Darloeye February 9th, 2011, 08:47 PM Alot of euro stadiums were built in the early 20th century and just been built up over time same with alot of american colleges some are good some aint so good. I not a big fan of college football playing on national and international tv is weird to be when the players aint getting "paid" like in the pros or am I wrong in that.
en1044 February 9th, 2011, 10:02 PM Alot of euro stadiums were built in the early 20th century and just been built up over time same with alot of american colleges some are good some aint so good. I not a big fan of college football playing on national and international tv is weird to be when the players aint getting "paid" like in the pros or am I wrong in that.
So you're saying that you don't like college football because they don't get paid?
Like most sports, the history of college football is very complex, so I'm not going to get into details. Basically they are amateur athletes playing for the love of the game or to earn their right to play professionally. It's a game very unlike any other game in the world.
Scba February 10th, 2011, 12:57 AM Alot of euro stadiums were built in the early 20th century and just been built up over time same with alot of american colleges some are good some aint so good. I not a big fan of college football playing on national and international tv is weird to be when the players aint getting "paid" like in the pros or am I wrong in that.
Then you'd love the SEC!
KingmanIII February 11th, 2011, 01:53 AM Alot of euro stadiums were built in the early 20th century and just been built up over time same with alot of american colleges some are good some aint so good. I not a big fan of college football playing on national and international tv is weird to be when the players aint getting "paid" like in the pros or am I wrong in that.
In college, it's less about the players and more about the traditions and pageantry of the programs themselves.
Rev Stickleback February 12th, 2011, 05:21 PM So you're saying that you don't like college football because they don't get paid?
Like most sports, the history of college football is very complex, so I'm not going to get into details. Basically they are amateur athletes playing for the love of the game or to earn their right to play professionally. It's a game very unlike any other game in the world.
I'd wager the players at the bigger colleges get rather more benefits than a heck of a lot of full-time pros in other sports around the world.
They may have been select teams from the student body in the past, but those days are long gone. Players are recruited by the colleges purely to play the game, with their academic pedigree being irrelevant.
I'd say Gaelic sports, which are strictly amateur despite large support, might have a word to say about the idea playing for the love of the game. Rugby union was amateur too until the mid 1990s.
AS for the stadium....it is sort of strange the college stadiums are so basic compared to NFL ones. I'd guess that unlike NFL clubs, colleges don't have stadiums built for them by the cities. It's more like the situation in club football in most places around the world.
Bobby3 February 12th, 2011, 06:22 PM Then you'd love the SEC!
Just don't bother watching Vandy.
Darloeye February 12th, 2011, 07:50 PM So you're saying that you don't like college football because they don't get paid?
Like most sports, the history of college football is very complex, so I'm not going to get into details. Basically they are amateur athletes playing for the love of the game or to earn their right to play professionally. It's a game very unlike any other game in the world.
Its more the fact that I have to pay for espn american and when the players are not being "paid" who is getting my money the tv network that broastcasters the games lol. It just seems weird to me
rantanamo February 12th, 2011, 09:34 PM Its more the fact that I have to pay for espn american and when the players are not being "paid" who is getting my money the tv network that broastcasters the games lol. It just seems weird to me
I personally think they should be paid just because of the revenue they produce for the larger schools. I think the problem though is, we tend to look at the LSUs or Texas or Ohio States of the NCAA and think of them as the norm. They are not. Many times, even within their own conference they are not. I've long advocated a smaller type NCAA league of the larger schools. Perhaps a 50,000 attendance average minimum or even 40,000 to seperate itself from the rest of the FBS that would allow paid rosters from the tv and stadium revenues of each team. If you don't do that, you end up with the Southwest Conference of the 80s.
Revenues from tv go to conference members. They have television deals that pay conference members either a percentage or an equal share. These are usually put directly back into the athletic program as many sports simply make no revenue, or at a school like Texas where multiple sports are easily in the black, funds are actually put into the school's general fund. It really is a tight margin type business for most schools. This causes another problem. There are several sports at each university, and at most schools, most of these are in the red. Would you have to pay them all? What if you aren't Texas with $125 million in the clear each year? So what they end up doing is having to allow a free education. I think they should be paid, but you'd likely have to lose Title XI and the NCAA would likely have to drop a ton of sports. College baseball would likely die. College basketball would probably die at some schools. College football would have to create smaller classifications like I said earlier.
slipperydog February 12th, 2011, 09:34 PM Its more the fact that I have to pay for espn american and when the players are not being "paid" who is getting my money the tv network that broastcasters the games lol. It just seems weird to me
When you watch live games in your home, you are only driving ratings, you never pay teams or players directly (unless it's ChelseaTV or MUTV). Television broadcasters ALWAYS get 'your money.' The networks then use those ratings ('your money') to calculate how much they are willing to pay the Premier League, the NFL, or any of the college conferences for the rights to broadcast their events. The teams and players you watch are never paid directly as a result of you tuning in. Portions of the contract that the NFL has with its broadcasting partners are then distributed to the teams, just like the funds from the NCAA conferences' television contracts are also distributed to the member universities' athletic departments. In college, players ARE paid, but just in a different way (with full tuition scholarships/room and board/supplies/athletic equipment for the duration of their time in school). So same concept, just a different type of 'payment.'
FloridaKnight February 13th, 2011, 12:08 AM I personally think they should be paid just because of the revenue they produce for the larger schools. I think the problem though is, we tend to look at the LSUs or Texas or Ohio States of the NCAA and think of them as the norm. They are not. Many times, even within their own conference they are not. I've long advocated a smaller type NCAA league of the larger schools. Perhaps a 50,000 attendance average minimum or even 40,000 to seperate itself from the rest of the FBS that would allow paid rosters from the tv and stadium revenues of each team. If you don't do that, you end up with the Southwest Conference of the 80s.
Revenues from tv go to conference members. They have television deals that pay conference members either a percentage or an equal share. These are usually put directly back into the athletic program as many sports simply make no revenue, or at a school like Texas where multiple sports are easily in the black, funds are actually put into the school's general fund. It really is a tight margin type business for most schools. This causes another problem. There are several sports at each university, and at most schools, most of these are in the red. Would you have to pay them all? What if you aren't Texas with $125 million in the clear each year? So what they end up doing is having to allow a free education. I think they should be paid, but you'd likely have to lose Title XI and the NCAA would likely have to drop a ton of sports. College baseball would likely die. College basketball would probably die at some schools. College football would have to create smaller classifications like I said earlier.
It's tough because these athletes do bring in a lot of revenue to their schools, but like you say it isn't fair to the smaller schools who operate in the red (actually I think only 15 or so schools are in the black) to have to shell out money to their athletes to stay competitive. By the way, the $125 million is just the revenue, not their total after expenses and what not. I think after that they're closer to having $10-15 mil in cash.
And so if we have a system where some schools pay their athletes and some don't - then obviously that is going to play a part into where high school graduates are going to choose to take their talents too. That's what makes college sports so intriguing because its truly amateur and you dont have the teams like the Yankees who dominate the sport and take away the athletic integrity. It will basically turn into a cap-less pro league and totally goes against the spirit of collegiate sports.
The only way I might see this happening is if the NCAA standardizes an extra stipend that they fund and distribute to all student athletes regardless of school or sport. And hell, they make enough money (especially for a "non for profit organization") to be able to do something like that.
Darloeye February 13th, 2011, 01:49 AM Is it the reggie bush "payment" your talking about ? but it does seem weird to have students playing a game that is being aired around the world but the kids can't even buy a ham burger lol
slipperydog February 13th, 2011, 02:54 AM Many college players already do get stipends as part of their scholarships in addition to full tuition and room/board. So there should be no reason that they can't afford a hamburger. Should college students be driving around in Maybachs and Lambos like their professional counterparts? Not really. It's a slippery slope and it's why college players will never be paid. And I don't see the big deal in amateur sports being broadcasted worldwide. Ever heard of the Olympics?
The Reggie Bush situation was where a wanna-be agent bought Bush's parents a house and flew them around the country to USC away games in order to get him to sign with his 'agency', thus making Bush guilty of receiving 'extra benefits' not available to any college student and rendering his amateur status void.
Bobby3 February 13th, 2011, 04:38 AM Why don't they use those dorm rooms?
Is it the reggie bush "payment" your talking about ? but it does seem weird to have students playing a game that is being aired around the world but the kids can't even buy a ham burger lol
When you find out how much the coaches and ADs at major programs are paid your head will literally explode.
Darloeye February 13th, 2011, 07:10 PM And I don't see the big deal in amateur sports being broadcasted worldwide. Ever heard of the Olympics?
The olympics being amateur ? Don't think you know what that word really means sure I seen lebron james playing in the last summer games and loads of nhl players playing in the winter games just gone.
When you find out how much the coaches and ADs at major programs are paid your head will literally explode.
Yeah I heard how much some of them are on its bit shocking
Anubis2051 February 13th, 2011, 08:29 PM Set up for the saints:
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Its amazing that theres no pictures of the inside of the dorm rooms when they were active
en1044 February 13th, 2011, 11:13 PM The olympics being amateur ? Don't think you know what that word really means sure I seen lebron james playing in the last summer games and loads of nhl players playing in the winter games just gone.
The Olympics were, at one point, completely amateur, and it was still very popular.
Darloeye February 13th, 2011, 11:20 PM The Olympics were, at one point, completely amateur, and it was still very popular.
Was.... and it only happened every 4years
JYDA February 14th, 2011, 04:08 AM Even "amateurs" at the Olympics are permitted to earn endorsement income. College athletes aren't even allowed that.
en1044 February 14th, 2011, 07:38 AM Was.... and it only happened every 4years
That's not the point, but I don't even know what the point is supposed to be. College players don't get paid. I'm not really sure what the fuss is all about.
mattec February 15th, 2011, 05:48 PM I personally think they should be paid just because of the revenue they produce for the larger schools. I think the problem though is, we tend to look at the LSUs or Texas or Ohio States of the NCAA and think of them as the norm. They are not. Many times, even within their own conference they are not. I've long advocated a smaller type NCAA league of the larger schools. Perhaps a 50,000 attendance average minimum or even 40,000 to seperate itself from the rest of the FBS that would allow paid rosters from the tv and stadium revenues of each team. If you don't do that, you end up with the Southwest Conference of the 80s.
Revenues from tv go to conference members. They have television deals that pay conference members either a percentage or an equal share. These are usually put directly back into the athletic program as many sports simply make no revenue, or at a school like Texas where multiple sports are easily in the black, funds are actually put into the school's general fund. It really is a tight margin type business for most schools. This causes another problem. There are several sports at each university, and at most schools, most of these are in the red. Would you have to pay them all? What if you aren't Texas with $125 million in the clear each year? So what they end up doing is having to allow a free education. I think they should be paid, but you'd likely have to lose Title XI and the NCAA would likely have to drop a ton of sports. College baseball would likely die. College basketball would probably die at some schools. College football would have to create smaller classifications like I said earlier.
err.. yeah I hope that never happens, it sounds like it'd be terrible for real fans (program fans, not just one or two sport fans). Also, the Athletes are getting paid with a free education valued from $17,000 at a place like Louisiana Tech to $50,000 at a place like Duke per year.
rantanamo February 15th, 2011, 09:43 PM err.. yeah I hope that never happens, it sounds like it'd be terrible for real fans (program fans, not just one or two sport fans). Also, the Athletes are getting paid with a free education valued from $17,000 at a place like Louisiana Tech to $50,000 at a place like Duke per year.
Many students that don't produce revenues for the schools get scholarships too. Imagine working somewhere and not getting paid, but the company makes you the spokesperson of the company appearing in print ads and television commercials. Selling your likeness, etc. I love my school and college sports, but I can still see that they should probably be paid something more than normal.
RaiderATO February 16th, 2011, 04:39 PM Many students that don't produce revenues for the schools get scholarships too. Imagine working somewhere and not getting paid, but the company makes you the spokesperson of the company appearing in print ads and television commercials. Selling your likeness, etc. I love my school and college sports, but I can still see that they should probably be paid something more than normal.
Imagine working somewhere that feeds you, and give's you an apartment as payment for your work (on top of the free education, athletic exposure, training, etc.).
rantanamo February 16th, 2011, 11:04 PM Imagine working somewhere that feeds you, and give's you an apartment as payment for your work (on top of the free education, athletic exposure, training, etc.).
like the military? They still get paid.
Imagine I'm making that somewhere millions of dollars from selling my image. Anywhere else in society that would be subject to lawsuit.
slipperydog February 16th, 2011, 11:28 PM If it's the marketing of the players' image or jersey sales that worry you so much, I don't see how you can reconcile paying the starting quarterback the SAME as a scout team linebacker. Otherwise, since athletic departments only use a handful of players' 'images' to make their millions, Tim Tebow, Percy Harvin, and Jeff Demps would also get paid during college ON TOP of their lucrative NFL contracts, while the other 'non-marketable' players would get nothing. Both methods are unfair, and really just plain suck.
You're only looking at the big programs, which is not understanding the entire picture. Try telling Bowling Green they have to pay all 85 players the same rate as Oklahoma, Alabama, and Ohio State would. Most athletic departments are struggling just to operate in the black. To have that attitude, you must either a) not put much value on a college education, or b) you were brought up with lots of resources. For many Americans, just going to college is a huge deal, let alone paying for it. By giving players a full scholarship, you ARE paying them.
mattec February 17th, 2011, 12:00 AM Many students that don't produce revenues for the schools get scholarships too. Imagine working somewhere and not getting paid, but the company makes you the spokesperson of the company appearing in print ads and television commercials. Selling your likeness, etc. I love my school and college sports, but I can still see that they should probably be paid something more than normal.
If the potential college athlete really felt ripped off, then he could just not participate, or if he played basketball, go to europe and never be heard from again.
Bobby3 February 17th, 2011, 01:31 AM The system is kind of ridiculous, honestly. Technically if I give a player a hot dog, he's no longer able to play if someone reports it.
RaiderATO February 17th, 2011, 05:57 PM The system is kind of ridiculous, honestly. Technically if I give a player a hot dog, he's no longer able to play if someone reports it.
Where do you draw the line then? You set it at zero benefits, so there is no ambiguity. Even with this line drawn where it is, there is plenty of questions out there.
And to the military point, if the athlete feels that the military is a better option for them to make it professionally, they are welcome to head that route.
There are a HUGE minority (less than .01%) that individually earn money for the university. Most athletic programs operate in the red (or due to creative accounting exactly at even).
These athletes are getting a free education (valued at tens, to hundreds of thousands of dollars), free food, free housing, etc. etc. etc. These athletes are paid thousands of dollars in benefits. I might make my company millions of dollars, but I am only worth thousands.
rantanamo February 18th, 2011, 02:59 AM Where do you draw the line then? You set it at zero benefits, so there is no ambiguity. Even with this line drawn where it is, there is plenty of questions out there.
And to the military point, if the athlete feels that the military is a better option for them to make it professionally, they are welcome to head that route.
There are a HUGE minority (less than .01%) that individually earn money for the university. Most athletic programs operate in the red (or due to creative accounting exactly at even). I earlier mentioned that athletic program vs individual programs within was a problem, and a paid system would likely have to seperate those sports, not only at the school level, but nationally. For example, just as 17,000+ avg attendance is required for FBS participation, perhaps a certain profit level would part of a new requirement.
These athletes are getting a free education (valued at tens, to hundreds of thousands of dollars), free food, free housing, etc. etc. etc. These athletes are paid thousands of dollars in benefits. I might make my company millions of dollars, but I am only worth thousands.
The military point is not that they should go to the military, but is rather another place in society where one is given the things you mention for free and still get paid.
You miss the point on who we are talking about. There is a large number of football and basketball programs that create revenue for their schools. Its the athletic programs that are in the red.
There are other students that get thousands in free benefits. The difference is, they are making large money. You "might" make your company millions, but there are athletes out there who have best selling jerseys or have their likeness used to make money. We are talking very specific calculations. I know everyone wants to put themselves with these people, but its a unique situation.
pcw100 October 22nd, 2011, 03:01 AM All windows finally replaced in the north endzone
http://www.preservedeathvalley.com/images/gallery/installation12.jpg
http://www.preservedeathvalley.com/images/gallery/installation14.jpg
Found some other renovation renderings
http://www.preservedeathvalley.com/images/gallery/tiger-stadium01.jpg
http://www.preservedeathvalley.com/images/gallery/tiger-stadium02.jpg
Photos from http://www.preservedeathvalley.com/about-the-project/photo-gallery/
adeaide October 22nd, 2011, 06:55 PM http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr8ftevTjx1qmd34ho1_500.jpg
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/TigerStadium.jpg
Joao V.X.C. January 28th, 2012, 09:25 PM I like monstrosity of the college stadiums. Most of them are pretty ugly, but they pack a lot of people in close and serve the purpose of being intimidating. They are aesthetically pleasing in their own odd way. Then again if you are really into modern design these are not going to be your cup of tea.
Concrete monsters are often beloved stadiums all over the world. The San Siro, Azteca, Camp Nou, The Bombonera, all brilliant.
You forgot the brazilian Maracana,that held in the 1950 World Cup final 199,900 people.
I am Brazilian and I love these U.S. college football stadiums, with high capacity and always crowded. It is different from most of the stadiums in Brazil, with a capacity of about 40,000 people and only half occupied. In college football, regardless of time of staff, the stadiums are always full
burroughsmvp February 12th, 2012, 08:24 PM DKR has a dorm and office space in Belmont Hall, which is built into the west side stands(the big curved upper deck side. All active and home to the athletics department. That's why it looks like a big grey monolith on the exterior of that side.
also shows that there is an exterior on large college stadiums
There is no dorm in Bellmont. Offices, classrooms, handball courts, press box, luxury suites. No dorm.
rantanamo February 14th, 2012, 09:35 AM my bad. I stand corrected and change my answer to thank goodness if it helps us avoid that ugliness.
slipperydog February 29th, 2012, 08:14 AM The south expansion for Tiger Stadium cleared its first hurdle. Capacity will increase to 99,500, and it will link the east and west tiers in the southern endzone, and the exterior will replicate the historical architecture of the north side facade. They will also build a championship plaza similar to the one outside Bryant-Denny Stadium. The athletic director hopes it will be ready by 2014 or 2015.
http://theadvocate.com/sports/lsu/2179765-123/tiger-stadium-project-advances.html
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/LSUStadiumRenderings.JPG
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/LSUStadiumRenderings2.JPG
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/LSUStadiumRenderings3.JPG
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/LSUStadiumRenderings4.JPG
http://www.wbrz.com/images/news/LSUStadiumRenderings5.JPG
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7006/sezrendering.jpg
http://www.rdgusa.com/img/gallery/2010_10_15_092638_30271300/original.jpg
http://www.rdgusa.com/img/gallery/2010_10_15_092507_77630700/original.jpg
http://www.rdgusa.com/img/gallery/2010_10_15_092516_96709200/original.jpg
http://www.rdgusa.com/img/gallery/2010_10_15_092457_43156400/original.jpg
http://www.rdgusa.com/img/gallery/2010_10_15_092616_75359500/original.jpg
GunnerJacket February 29th, 2012, 03:23 PM Strange. Though supposedly connecting the upper tiers the new addition apparently won't match the form.
The addition would include a lower level containing 4,000 club seats, two levels of suites totaling 60 in all with seating for 24 people in each, and a 1,500-seat upper deck topping the entire addition, Alleva said.
After all the work they did to match the older upper stand with the newer one, I would've assumed they'd simply complete the tier, as it were. I'm also surprised they're doing this for a comparably small addition. I realize the premium seating will draw big bucks, but you'd think if they're going to do this they'd maximize the capacity of the space, and I'm sure they could squeeze another 1-2,000 seats into the deal. Plus there's the marketing appeal of saying "100k." Guess we'll see.
slipperydog February 29th, 2012, 04:05 PM Strange. Though supposedly connecting the upper tiers the new addition apparently won't match the form.
After all the work they did to match the older upper stand with the newer one, I would've assumed they'd simply complete the tier, as it were. I'm also surprised they're doing this for a comparably small addition. I realize the premium seating will draw big bucks, but you'd think if they're going to do this they'd maximize the capacity of the space, and I'm sure they could squeeze another 1-2,000 seats into the deal. Plus there's the marketing appeal of saying "100k." Guess we'll see.
It's likely a money thing. Premium seating simply brings in more revenue. I don't think the endzone necessarily has to match the tiers. As long as it connects them. Like baseball, where the tiers are usually interrupted by the press box.
504souldja April 18th, 2012, 08:18 PM http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=205415591
GunnerJacket April 18th, 2012, 08:44 PM Looks a more graceful addition than Lambeau Field. CAD image could go a little easier on the shading, though. ;)
504souldja April 23rd, 2012, 03:26 AM http://gamedayr.com/wp-content/slideshow/2012/04/lsu-proposes-expansion-to-tiger-stadium-renderings-of-new-look-for-death-valley/full/LSU%20Tiger%20Stadium%20Expansion%20End%20Zone.jpeg
http://www.mrsec.com/pics/lsu-stadium-drawing-proposed-expansion.jpg
http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/640/VG/VGOPNXBVNFIUHJU.20120418135944.jpg
http://espn.go.com/photo/2012/0418/ncf_lsutigerstadium_ah_600.jpg
slipperydog July 20th, 2012, 05:09 PM State passes final approval on financing, expansion to be ready for 2014 season
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/07/lsu_stadium_expansion_gets_ok.html
po-boy July 20th, 2012, 09:33 PM I hope to get to visit this stadium sometime. I'm an Auburn fan and have been to several great college football stadiums such as the Swamp, Jordan-Hare, Samford Stadium, Williams-Brice, etc. They have so much more personality than the mostly generic NFL stadiums.
Tiger Stadium is next on my list!
www.sercan.de July 21st, 2012, 01:04 PM So cap. will be 100,000+ ?
Benn July 22nd, 2012, 04:54 AM No, it should be just under from everything I have heard, within a few hundred seats, but they seem to have gone more for premium amenities and technology than capacity even though they would have no trouble selling a few more seats. Would be cool to have another college stadium in the 100,000+ club but that will have to wait.
WesTexas July 24th, 2012, 03:56 AM This place is loud enough. No need for 100,000
Nikola10 July 24th, 2012, 08:45 AM why loud enough that we dont really want but supporters can...but the club and the stadium looking at money so they would expand anyway it not about how loud
FloridaKnight July 24th, 2012, 09:25 AM I can't help but think that those upper decks must be some of the highest in the last row than any stadium in NCAA football.
RMB2007 August 22nd, 2012, 09:34 PM New lighting system (video clip can be found in the link below):
http://s13.postimage.org/rayge2gqf/289255_10151022485483671_54567434_o.jpg (http://postimage.org/)
http://lsuverse.tumblr.com/
slipperydog December 7th, 2012, 08:59 AM The south scoreboard is coming down to make way for the new upper deck
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A9cYqO0CEAAaIIJ.jpg
www.sercan.de December 7th, 2012, 01:50 PM New tier?
Any renderings
Pelt December 7th, 2012, 02:50 PM New tier?
Any renderings
Yes. In post #70.
Matheus Oliveira December 8th, 2012, 04:10 AM Not bad.
bing222 December 8th, 2012, 04:52 AM That is going to a great stadium and Massive.
Scoots71 December 8th, 2012, 07:17 AM I'm not the biggest fan of the new addition. It seems too much like the endzone upper at Arkansas, which also doesn't really fit into the stadium.
adam_uk December 20th, 2012, 05:07 PM Nice
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