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UCLA Bruins

College
1x Champion:
1954


opened 1922
1994 FIFA World Cup Final stadium
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Eucalyptus trees on the perimeter like Stanford, very nice (though those things cause fires).
Will they ever round / fill in the corners since the LA Galaxy have moved to Home Depo, to make it a nice oval?

Eucalyptus trees on the perimeter like Stanford, very nice (though those things cause fires).
Will they ever round / fill in the corners since the LA Galaxy have moved to Home Depo, to make it a nice oval?

maybe, but i dont think its number one on the list

They have a big renovation plan on their web site, the main concerns are to replace the current press box (including a club seating teir and much larger suites) and build a new concourse/circulation area around the stadium. They are also planning on splitting most of the sections in half and adding small concourse at the top rim of the facility. There is talk of making it an all seater (replace the bleachers) and new scoreboards as well. As far as the plans were concerned it looked like it would still be able to take a soccer pitch, but on of the renderings showed the bowl completed, so it's possible.

Here is the link
http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/pdfs/RoseBowlmasterplan.pdf

would be great to see it as an alss-seater
capacity?
i would say 75k-80k

I believe low to mid 80s, but the sidelines and first 10 or so rows on the ends are already chairbacks. Keep in mind the new press box includes a small club tier (maybe 3,000) in addition to the suites and press, so it could be more like 85,000, but I am not exactly sure.

oh ture
than 80-85k would be realistic

it already is an all seater

Hi, en1044. Nice to meet you. How are you?

it already is an all seater

but it has got benches?!
lets say all-individual seater :D

Hi, en1044. Nice to meet you. How are you?

hehehe

you're really funny

not my favorite.
Although it's a 90K+ stadium it is not impressive at all (no roof and no steep stands).

not my favorite.
Although it's a 90K+ stadium it is not impressive at all (no roof and no steep stands).

who cares if theres no roof? who cares if theres no steep stands? This is an international forum, get used to things that arent like where you come from. Everyone has different ideas on how things are done. We dont like roofs, they arent needed

The one time I went there, it was for a 4th of July fireworks show!! One of the best I've attended -- which of course would not be possible in a new 'roofed' stadium like Birds Nest.

If it's got no roof, wear one of those 'umbrella' hats.

who cares if theres no roof? who cares if theres no steep stands? This is an international forum, get used to things that arent like where you come from. Everyone has different ideas on how things are done. We dont like roofs, they arent needed

he just gave his opinion ;)

the seats in the pic look really dirty

the colour reminds me of a public toilet

the seats in the pic look really dirty

the colour reminds me of a public toilet

^^ oh gee, you must spend a lot of time there for such comparisons to come to mind. :ohno:

It's already an all-seater - there's no such thing as terracing in the U.S. (well, in the European sense at least - some baseball stadiums do have small little grass hills that fans can sit on called terraces, but it doesn't count towards capacity and is nothing like terraces in the normal sense of the word). Every stadium in the U.S. is an all-seater. Plus, there's no need for a roof - American football fans like being out in the elements and not having a roof overhead. Plus, it's Southern California, it's not like there's many "elements" out there anyways. ;)

Since World Cup 1994 I just LOVE this stadium...

the downshot of the Rose Bowl really does it justice.
The curving lines are so elegant and beautiful.

93K packed it on Aug 1 for International soccer/football
it was awesome!

If the proposed renovations were to go through, it would have a capacity of 88,000. They'd lose seats over the individual seats, but gain thousands from club seats and suites. This is what I've been told by a UCLA football staff member.

Last I heard the Populous renovation they have sitting on the table tentatively calls a little over 88,000 seats with 2,500 club seats, 50 loges, and a big press box. The other big change over, besides seats and isles would be a total revamping of the circulation area around the stadium with way more restrooms and concessions as well as a new surface (it looked like pavers in the renderings).
Sure would be nice if they went through with it.

If the proposed renovations were to go through, it would have a capacity of 88,000. They'd lose seats over the individual seats, but gain thousands from club seats and suites. This is what I've been told by a UCLA football staff member.
Rumor has it that UCLA may move their games to the new NFL stadium in Industry. Does that rumor have wings?

I doubt it, also doubt the City of Industry stadium ever gets built, especially with the economy and lending in general the way that it is.

Rumor has it that UCLA may move their games to the new NFL stadium in Industry. Does that rumor have wings?

None whatsoever. Coach Neuheisel loves the Rose Bowl and UCLA signed a 20 year lease with the Rose Bowl in 2007 (I think it was 2007).

None whatsoever. Coach Neuheisel loves the Rose Bowl and UCLA signed a 20 year lease with the Rose Bowl in 2007 (I think it was 2007).
They have such a hard time selling it out though, it seems. A 75,000-seat venue with a ton of luxury suites for alumni to rent out, seems perfect for them.

But they'd loose the distinction and prestige of playing in a national historic landmark, the "Granddaddy" and "America's Stadium" in exchange for a typical, run-of -the-mill stadium without history and passion.

http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl_history.htm

But they'd loose the distinction and prestige of playing in a national historic landmark, the "Granddaddy" and "America's Stadium" in exchange for a typical, run-of -the-mill stadium without history and passion.

http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl_history.htm

Money >>>>>> history. Ask the rest of college football

But they'd loose the distinction and prestige of playing in a national historic landmark, the "Granddaddy" and "America's Stadium" in exchange for a typical, run-of -the-mill stadium without history and passion.

http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl_history.htm
Doesn't look run-of-the-mill to me...
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The Rose Bowl will host the 2011 Gold Cup Final on June 25.

I doubt it, also doubt the City of Industry stadium ever gets built, especially with the economy and lending in general the way that it is.

People have a strong feeling that this new stadium WILL be built- even during this endless recession.

I mean- They built that Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, right? Not to mention the new Meadowlands Stadium in Jersey.

People have a strong feeling that this new stadium WILL be built- even during this endless recession.

I mean- They built that Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, right? Not to mention the new Meadowlands Stadium in Jersey.
and the Marlins stadium, and the Louisville arena, and the Pens arena, and the Magic arena...

People have a strong feeling that this new stadium WILL be built- even during this endless recession.

I mean- They built that Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, right? Not to mention the new Meadowlands Stadium in Jersey.

We are still talking about $750 million minimum for the stadium plus infrastucture plus the cost of a team, which could very well push toward $1 billion, so a total investment of say $2 billion. And then there is all of the proposed development around it on top of that, maybe their pockets are deep enough, but this is gonna be a spendy venture.

And all of this is on the assumption they can get Jacksonville or Buffalo or whoever in short order. I'm still not sold on it happening any time soon, if it happens.

Also a renovated Rose Bowl still seems cheaper and more practical for a lot of people, to me at any rate.

We are still talking about $750 million minimum for the stadium plus infrastucture plus the cost of a team, which could very well push toward $1 billion, so a total investment of say $2 billion. And then there is all of the proposed development around it on top of that, maybe their pockets are deep enough, but this is gonna be a spendy venture.

And all of this is on the assumption they can get Jacksonville or Buffalo or whoever in short order. I'm still not sold on it happening any time soon, if it happens.

Also a renovated Rose Bowl still seems cheaper and more practical for a lot of people, to me at any rate.

I agree with you about the team situation but the fact is Greater Los Angeles needs a newly built or considerably renovated stadium in the relative future. If the real estate developer with the deep pockets is potentially the one to find his way over the finish line first, then things will all line up accordingly. The remaining development can come later once the tenant is assured so it's not like this has to be all or nothing.

A renovated Rose Bowl would be cheaper but there is only so much that can be done given its landmark status and it still sits in a largely residential area, putting limitations on usage. I personally would love to see what comes of the proposal to potentially build a stadium on the site of one of the halls at the Convention Center site that has recently been bandied about.

Look at the proposed renovations, if they really wanted to they could pull the strings to to change around the current press box, build a new one opposite, put in chairbacks everywhere, get a big viedeoboard in the non protected and redo the concourse for a lot less money. Say $450-500 million. And you are still talking 85,000 seats, 130 suites, 6,000-7,000 club seats, loges ect. As long as they don't change the bowl around or the main approach. Keep in mind its been changed around a lot over the years, it looks nothing like it did in 1923.

It would be much better if they could turn the Rose Bowl into an NFL stadium than building a new one IMO. The Rose Bowl is the most historic venue in the country. Having an NFL team would just make it even better.

I don't know if everyone has seen this, but this is the latest renovation scheme being proposed for the Rose Bowl. Based on what they want to do, as well as the new cost, (which looks to only be around $160 million) this probably is not enough to successfully lure an NFL team to this venue.

The website which deals with the new strategic plan is here:
http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl_strategic_plan-09.htm

And here is the summary of those plans in a nice neat .pdf form for all:
http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/pdfs/RosebowlConcept-021709_lores-Ra.pdf

The Rose Bowl is hosting the 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final

I don't know if everyone has seen this, but this is the latest renovation scheme being proposed for the Rose Bowl. Based on what they want to do, as well as the new cost, (which looks to only be around $160 million) this probably is not enough to successfully lure an NFL team to this venue.

The website which deals with the new strategic plan is here:
http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl_strategic_plan-09.htm

And here is the summary of those plans in a nice neat .pdf form for all:
http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/pdfs/RosebowlConcept-021709_lores-Ra.pdf


Nice start though, good enough for the purposes of UCLA, the Rose Bowl, and getting closer to World Cup standards. A third phase adding a suite/club tower opposite the current press box and a new video board / locker rooms and it would be up to NFL standards. So if you split it up into a few phases depending on the availability of an NFL team. That would seem to make some sense, whether or not there is any likelyhood of it happening.

I dont like this stadium.

The Pasadena residents have voted down having a NFL team there several times so they're not going to bother getting the stadium up to NFL standards and they don't have the money to get it to NFL standards without a NFL team.

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Money >>>>>> history. Ask the rest of college football

Who says UCLA would make more money in Industry? With the new lease at the Rose Bowl, UCLA gets a pretty fat cut from ancillary revenue like parking, concessions and luxury suite leases. Not sure if Roski would agree to similar terms. Then you look at other issues that it's further away from the UCLA campus, and UCLA's fanbase is pretty large on the westside, and the playing surface at the Rose Bowl is immaculate, wouldn't be as nice with two teams sharing a stadium.

Who says UCLA would make more money in Industry? With the new lease at the Rose Bowl, UCLA gets a pretty fat cut from ancillary revenue like parking, concessions and luxury suite leases. Not sure if Roski would agree to similar terms. Then you look at other issues that it's further away from the UCLA campus, and UCLA's fanbase is pretty large on the westside, and the playing surface at the Rose Bowl is immaculate, wouldn't be as nice with two teams sharing a stadium.

More suites = more money.

More suites = more money.

Being addressed at the Rose Bowl with a renovation in two years. The Rose Bowl will still have a ton of issues, but luxury seating will not be one of them.

Being addressed at the Rose Bowl with a renovation in two years. The Rose Bowl will still have a ton of issues, but luxury seating will not be one of them.

in other words More suites = More money. Money >>>>>> History.

Approvals for the renovation are expected by Oct. 4, and phase 1 work is scheduled to begin on Jan. 11.

This is stadium is horrible...needs upgrades

^^ This is post is horrible

This is stadium is horrible...needs upgrades

Go screw yourself. This is one of the greatest places to watch a game in the country. Upgrades or not, its the goddamn ROSE BOWL.

As part of this renovation, they will be taking out seats along the sideline that have been historically tarped off on gameday, which will restore the original oval field design. They will also add hedges along the sidelines, similar to a lot of SEC stadiums, which was an original feature of the Rose Bowl.

Before:
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After:
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New press box:
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Will the new pressbox structure require demoliton of the existing one? And all the existing seating (including benches) should be taken out and replaced with full regular chairback seating. Also, a second pressbox should be added to the east. And the removal of the sideline seats can involve raising the field by a few feet.

I don't think chairback seating is that big of a deal at college stadiums. People are on their feet a lot in college football, and it would cut the capacity down by at least 10%. Lambeau Field in Green Bay underwent a $250 million renovation and kept virtually all bleachers for that reason. They should keep the Rose Bowl capacity at 90,000+. It used to be 101,000 before they installed chairbacks along the sidelines.

They have no interest in cutting capacity any further so the benches will stay, while the new press box will be more than enough for the stadium's needs.

Will the new pressbox structure require demoliton of the existing one? And all the existing seating (including benches) should be taken out and replaced with full regular chairback seating. Also, a second pressbox should be added to the east. And the removal of the sideline seats can involve raising the field by a few feet.

Benches should remain. Chairback seats should not even be in the question.

As part of this renovation, they will be taking out seats along the sideline that have been historically tarped off on gameday, which will restore the original oval field design. They will also add hedges along the sidelines, similar to a lot of SEC stadiums, which was an original feature of the Rose Bowl.

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I have always wondered what the point was of covering those sideline seats. Any idea?

I have always wondered what the point was of covering those sideline seats. Any idea?

I'm guessing obstructed views due to player benches.

Precisely, you see the same thing at a number of other college stadiums where the seating goes right down to field level.

City and stadium officials Tuesday unveiled details of a $152 million plan to renovate the historic Rose Bowl and turn it into a profit-making venture.

The renovation plan would expand the press box to increase the number of "premium seats" - including those in luxury boxes - from about 500 to 2,500. It also would widen 12 access tunnels, double the number of concession stands and improve and expand restrooms.

Beck hopes to issue the bonds by Nov. 30. Construction would begin on Jan. 11. The entire renovation is expected to be complete by January 2014, in time for the Rose Bowl's 100th game and quadrennial return of the Bowl Championship Series championship game. But because the project would be done in three phases, there would be no interruption of UCLA or Rose Bowl games.

The article also mentions that the final approval has been pushed back to Oct. 11.

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Interesting that the chairback seats will be replaced to make them more comfortable, as this was apparently an issue that came up during research. Benches in the endzones will remain. This link shows how the three phases of renovations will be completed.

http://ww2.cityofpasadena.net/councilagendas/2010%20agendas/Oct_04_10/AR%2013%20Attachment%20D.pdf

Boring.

I admit the view must be great but the structure is not innovative, not different from something you could find elsewhere. I don´t like it and I can´t believe it hosted a WC final.

A few notes about the renovation:

1) Tunnels/Aisles: North and south endzone tunnels will be widened as seen in the photo below. New aisles bisecting each of the endzone sections, doubling the amount of aisles and thus decreasing the amount of entering/exiting congestion

2) Field Level Access: Brand new field level walkway behind the new hedges will provide additional seat access for people seated in rows 1-25. If you have seats in these rows, you can access your seats through re-opened field level tunnels that have not been used for many years. This will further help reduce congestion in the main tunnels.

3) Current capacity: 92,360
Future capacity: 89,092

4) Press box: The press box will not be torn down. The core will remain, while it is expanded to make it longer and deeper/wider. The new additions will allow for 48 loge boxes, 46 luxury suites, and 4 larger gameday/VIP suites (1/2 of one of these will be reserved for the UCLA chancellor), as well as 1,280 club seats and a 1,500 capacity Horizon Level

5) Scoreboards: The historical south scoreboard (with the historical Rose Bowl marquee) will be restored to an actual scoreboard (currently used as advertisement space). As a result the single south scoreboard structure will be removed. The two north scoreboard structures will also be removed and replaced by a single, large 30 x 78 videoboard that complements the look of the south scoreboard. Also, field level LED display boards will be added, similar to soccer stadiums around the world

6) Entry gates: All entry gates will be remodeled to reflect a more cohesive look featuring stone and woodwork inspired by historical bus stops and other structures found throughout Pasadena and the surrounding communities

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Boring.

I admit the view must be great but the structure is not innovative, not different from something you could find elsewhere. I don´t like it and I can´t believe it hosted a WC final.

Dude, it's an 80 year old bowl stadium. It's not supposed to be innovative. It's fame is built on its history.

I'm very excited to see this done, and I'm happy they aren't completely destroying the look and feel of the place. For a while I was worried.

Last post of the day, I promise...:)

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This is how the new press box levels will break down

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Here are some bonus shots to tide you over until construction starts

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Boring.

I admit the view must be great but the structure is not innovative, not different from something you could find elsewhere. I don´t like it and I can´t believe it hosted a WC final.
It's a 90-year-old bowl...

It's a 90-year-old bowl...

Yeah... I mean, it's not like Reliant Stadium.... What do you expect?

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one of my favorite stadiums, it has a "coloseum" feel to it.

The Grandaddy could be hosting World Cup matches! And if a new stadium is built in LA, even if they only have 12 host cities overall, they could still have multiple venues per city.

If the U.S. does win the bid in 2022, "that would be the 100th anniversary of the Rose Bowl," said Darryl Dunn, Rose Bowl CEO and general manager. "It would be a tremendous opportunity to host a (World Cup) match."

The 1994 World Cup final between Brazil and Italy probably did more to publicize the stadium and the city than anything else, Dunn said.

While the Rose Bowl already meets all FIFA requirements, the stadium's recently approved $152 million makeover will offer a big boost in future bids, said Councilman Victor Gordo, who is also president of the Rose Bowl Operating Company board of directors.

"The Rose Bowl is already one of the most recognized stadiums in the world, and improvements will only add to its popularity and its utility for games such as the World Cup," Gordo said.

Hosting World Cup games would also offer a tremendous boost to downtown businesses, he said.

During the 1994 World Cup men's final, "Old Pasadena came alive in a way I hadn't seen before and I haven't seen since," Gordo said, noting that people from around the world were dancing in the streets. It was the greatest celebration of diversity that I had ever witnessed."

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_16350203

it's impressive because it's so huge and such a big amount of people
but actually the stadiumitself it quite ugly and nothing special..

The Grandaddy could be hosting World Cup matches! And if a new stadium is built in LA, even if they only have 12 host cities overall, they could still have multiple venues per city.



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Won't happen. They can talk all they want, but it would take more renovation that they're planning to host World Cup matches, specifically going to an all-seater, which isn't going to happen.

Won't happen. They can talk all they want, but it would take more renovation that they're planning to host World Cup matches, specifically going to an all-seater, which isn't going to happen.

Wouldn't it simply take replacing benches with seats? The new suites/pressbox area would easily hold the required media and dignitaries meaning no need for a canopy.

it's impressive because it's so huge and such a big amount of people
but actually the stadiumitself it quite ugly and nothing special..

IT'S 90 YEARS OLD!!!

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Dammit you people are stupid.

it's impressive because it's so huge and such a big amount of people
but actually the stadiumitself it quite ugly and nothing special..

What do you suppose to expect! This stadium is OLD!

Wouldn't it simply take replacing benches with seats? The new suites/pressbox area would easily hold the required media and dignitaries meaning no need for a canopy.

That would be the biggest thing that would need to happen, but there are a few other smaller things as well. The smaller things can be done, but they won't replace the benches with seats and that's a non-starter to host World Cup matches. The Rose Bowl once held over 100,000 and now will be down to ~89,000 with these renovations. They don't want to drop capacity any further and getting rid of the benches for an all-seater would result in a drastic drop in capacity.

That would be the biggest thing that would need to happen, but there are a few other smaller things as well. The smaller things can be done, but they won't replace the benches with seats and that's a non-starter to host World Cup matches. The Rose Bowl once held over 100,000 and now will be down to ~89,000 with these renovations. They don't want to drop capacity any further and getting rid of the benches for an all-seater would result in a drastic drop in capacity.

It looks like about half of the seats are benches. That's not an expensive or hard replacement to do temporarily. The company that did the Cotton Bowl renovation, Southern Bleachers, has a simple seat that clamps and even bolts onto bench seating.

i love the rose bowl!:okay:

Well it's official. I'll be going to the Rose Bowl this year! Can't wait!

i dont know why people are moaning about how it looks when u consider how old it is.

and havent people thought that maybe there isnt really a need for architectural beauty. i mean the rose bowl and the michigan bowl... neither of them are what you could call engineering masterpieces but they are what they are... thousands upon thousands of seats around a pitch. does exactly what it says on the tin...

i dont know why people are moaning about how it looks when u consider how old it is.

and havent people thought that maybe there isnt really a need for architectural beauty. i mean the rose bowl and the michigan bowl... neither of them are what you could call engineering masterpieces but they are what they are... thousands upon thousands of seats around a pitch. does exactly what it says on the tin...

The beauty of the Rose Bowl and Michigan Stadium is the tradition and atmosphere. I've been to games at the Rose Bowl, and it was probably the most beautiful thing I've ever witnessed.

i dont know why people are moaning about how it looks when u consider how old it is.

and havent people thought that maybe there isnt really a need for architectural beauty. i mean the rose bowl and the michigan bowl... neither of them are what you could call engineering masterpieces but they are what they are... thousands upon thousands of seats around a pitch. does exactly what it says on the tin...

There's a lot of international people on the board that just click on the thread because it got bumped to the top, and are then flabergasted by the fact that not every stadium with a dedicated thread on SSC looks like the eighth wonder of the world, or something out of a sci-fi movie...then feel the need to comment on it without researching the importance and history behind it.

The Rose Bowl is one of the most beautiful settings in the world for an event of any kind. I have been there for football games, soccer games, concerts, and July 4th celebrations. When I was young, I even played the final of one of my soccer tournaments in the stadium (we won, I still have the trophy :D)

With the upcoming renovation, I will do my best to go down there periodically and take some pics of the ongoings...

There's a lot of international people on the board that just click on the thread because it got bumped to the top, and are then flabergasted by the fact that not every stadium with a dedicated thread on SSC looks like the eighth wonder of the world, or something out of a sci-fi movie...then feel the need to comment on it without researching the importance and history behind it.

The Rose Bowl is one of the most beautiful settings in the world for an event of any kind. I have been there for football games, soccer games, concerts, and July 4th celebrations. When I was young, I even played the final of one of my soccer tournaments in the stadium (we won, I still have the trophy :D)

With the upcoming renovation, I will do my best to go down there periodically and take some pics of the ongoings...

theres a lot of people who cant just give opinions without sounding like nobody else's opinion matters. especially on stadiums. i mean i prefer old mismatched grounds to modern bowls and arenas as it seems to me they have more sould and character. i feel the same about these old bowls. its almost like they were a vision of the future. its the materials and the lack of wierd space age frames that give them that character imo!!

i really like old bowls like this. i like the fact that they are so simple. i mean what some people cant grasp is the fact that the beauty of a bowl is its simplicity. its a tried and tested formula. the ancient greeks did it. the romans did it.

i would love to watch a soccer game at some of the american bowls. (see my manners there?, i say soccer without doin the english thing of moanin abut having to call it soccer?!?!)

;)

I've been to the Rose Bowl, Michigan Stadium and Notre Dame Stadium for games. I've also been to the Yale Bowl when it was empty. They are all similar. They are single deck stadiums designed for football and all 4 are beautiful and full of history. The Yale Bowl is an amazing stadium that very few people even think about and I would suggest anyone who has the opportunity should check it out. Anyone who critizes these stadiums just do not understand tradition or history.

Bring up any stadium in the world, whether it is Jerry World or the Bird's Nest or any stadium and it can't touch the beauty of the Arroyo Seco. The simplicity of the Rose Bowl and the way it elegantly fits into the valley so perfectly accentuates the beautiful setting is what makes it so amazing.

Some issues arose in the bond sale, but renovation still going as planned

The $152million Rose Bowl renovation now faces a funding gap of $12million - nearly $4million more than expected, city officials said.

The shortage comes from the complicated sale of city-issued bonds on Wall Street last month, City Councilman Victor Gordo said. The sale should have netted the city $129.8million but only brought in $125.6million, City Finance Director Andy Green said.

Even though the additional shortfall won't affect plans to begin the historic stadium's renovation in January, it will force officials to re-examine fundraising efforts.

"Ultimately, it makes a complicated project even a little more challenging to be able to deliver within the budget parameters that we've established," City Manager Michael Beck said. "But we'll figure out how to do that."

Officials are now looking at ways to save money by modifying, postponing or even eliminating elements of the renovation project, Beck said. The renovation design team should have a good idea of where the savings will originate by Jan. 1, he said.

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_16905855

There's a lot of international people on the board that just click on the thread because it got bumped to the top, and are then flabergasted by the fact that not every stadium with a dedicated thread on SSC looks like the eighth wonder of the world, or something out of a sci-fi movie...then feel the need to comment on it without researching the importance and history behind it...


The thing is people are going to judge a stadium on how it looks. Tradition/history can colour judgement, which is why so few outsiders see anything special. It just looks a dull, featureless bowl, much like any other open featureless bowl.

It's not just because it's old either. I think people can appreiciate the aesthetics of somewhere like Wrigley Field. They don't need it to look modern. The Rose Bowl just doesn't seem at first glance to have those little touches to make the place interesting.

If you are judging a stadium purely on how it looks then it needs those, as the outside won't have the tradition angle to give it that magic. I'm sure people, without knwoing the history, could look at a stadium like Anfield and just see it as being functional and ordinary.

"Bowl" stadiums are also probably something you have to see first hand to appreciate. Overhead shots never do them justice, and wide angle photos tend to highlight their worst apsect - the lack of intimacy such venues have.

The thing is people are going to judge a stadium on how it looks. Tradition/history can colour judgement, which is why so few outsiders see anything special. It just looks a dull, featureless bowl, much like any other open featureless bowl.

It's not just because it's old either. I think people can appreiciate the aesthetics of somewhere like Wrigley Field. They don't need it to look modern. The Rose Bowl just doesn't seem at first glance to have those little touches to make the place interesting.

If you are judging a stadium purely on how it looks then it needs those, as the outside won't have the tradition angle to give it that magic. I'm sure people, without knwoing the history, could look at a stadium like Anfield and just see it as being functional and ordinary.

"Bowl" stadiums are also probably something you have to see first hand to appreciate. Overhead shots never do them justice, and wide angle photos tend to highlight their worst apsect - the lack of intimacy such venues have.

Its not hard to see that its a beautiful stadium from any angle. It think its just what people are used to. There are a million and one contemporary stadiums on here that we are told are beautiful that don't hold a candle to the pure aesthetic of the Rose Bowl. Its just not what many are use to.

Its not hard to see that its a beautiful stadium from any angle. It think its just what people are used to. There are a million and one contemporary stadiums on here that we are told are beautiful that don't hold a candle to the pure aesthetic of the Rose Bowl. Its just not what many are use to.

But isn't that kind of the point? It's a matter of taste. You can't just declare a stadium (or anything/anyone) is undeniably beautiful and that other people are wrong because they don't share your taste.


I would guess to many in europe in particular, it would just be reminiscent of the numerous post-war communist era bowl stadiums built in Eastern Europe, such as this one...

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/past_stadiums/leipzig_zentralstadion1.jpg
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...and those were largely unloved. Even one that were loved, such as the Olympic Stadium in Munich, were made stunning by other details, just as the incredible roof there.


Bowls do look far better from inside the stadium though. As I said above, it's very hard to capture that feeling of the stadium and crowd surrounding you with a photo. I remember seeing a photograph of the national stadium of Poland in Warsaw (currently being rebuilt). It was a bowl and looked like one of the bleakest places on earth. When I went there while in Warsaw a few years back, even though the place was semi derelict, you could appreciate how imposing such a place would have been when full.

Also I love this stadium since 1994... my country won the world cup there! >)

I'm not a huge fan of 'bowl' stadiums but there are exceptions.

Rose bowl looks good especially how it's situated amongst it's surroundings. I also like Michigan since it's re-development and Lambau with the press/suites surrounding most of the stadium.

Just a question about the angle of the stand which looks pretty shallow to me. Anyone know what is it? How is spectator comfort in regards to the viewing angle?

I'm not a huge fan of 'bowl' stadiums but there are exceptions.

Rose bowl looks good especially how it's situated amongst it's surroundings. I also like Michigan since it's re-development and Lambau with the press/suites surrounding most of the stadium.

Just a question about the angle of the stand which looks pretty shallow to me. Anyone know what is it? How is spectator comfort in regards to the viewing angle?

Not good. I've seen a good number or games there, and sitting near the last row of the stadium isn't fun. You're pretty far away.

Why didn't Stanford get placed in the Rose Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl?

Why didn't Stanford get placed in the Rose Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl?

I'm pretty sure that the BCS rotates the N-AQ team around the 4 BCS bowls, but the Rose has an exemption if both the B10 & P10(12) champions are available. This year however, Oregon, the P10(12) champion, was selected for the MNC, therefore opening the Rose Bowl for TCU.

I'm pretty sure that the BCS rotates the N-AQ team around the 4 BCS bowls, but the Rose has an exemption if both the B10 & P10(12) champions are available. This year however, Oregon, the P10(12) champion, was selected for the MNC, therefore opening the Rose Bowl for TCU.

Ahh...I see. That doesn't make too much sense. I can see the Orange Bowl will not be sold out.....can't see Stanford traveling well across the country to Miami.

It would have made most sense to have UConn play in the Orange Bowl, TCU play in the Fiesta and Stanford in the Rose.

Was the Fiesta even sold out? I saw a good number of empty seats on TV and I had read that UConn was having a lot of trouble selling tickets.

Ahh...I see. That doesn't make too much sense. I can see the Orange Bowl will not be sold out.....can't see Stanford traveling well across the country to Miami.

It would have made most sense to have UConn play in the Orange Bowl, TCU play in the Fiesta and Stanford in the Rose.

Was the Fiesta even sold out? I saw a good number of empty seats on TV and I had read that UConn was having a lot of trouble selling tickets.

The Fiesta Bowl attendance was allegedly 67,232 but it looked a decent bit lower. There were noticeable pockets of empty seats in the corners as well as parts of the upper deck.

A Non-A.Q. school was required to play in the Rose Bowl the first time there was a vacancy from either a Big 10 or PAC-10 school as part of the bylaws for this four year BCS cycle. I can assure you that given the options all three bowl games probably would have loved to trade one of their schools to the other in the interests of selling all the games out. The Orange Bowl particularly has been saddled with some less than stellar match ups the last 4 years that haven't been easy to sell out and will likely be the case again this year.

Are plans still go for the Rose Bowl renovation to begin in the coming weeks, despite the funding gap that's developed in recent months?

^^^ Renovations are scheduled to begin before the end of the month. I believe this offseason will see the plumbing upgraded, tunnels widened and the new scoreboards added with the press box, luxury boxes and club seat work done in the following offseason.

^^
Wonderful news. Gotta make the place look good so the Vikings have a place to call home if there is a season come September. :lol:

Has the Rose Bowl game ever failed to sellout? It always seems to be full year in and year out no matter who plays there.


It's also pretty cool to see during the pan out shots to see the split in colors of the fans of the 2 teams playing.

It's also pretty cool to see during the pan out shots to see the split in colors of the fans of the 2 teams playing.
I agree! This stadium has a great vibe. Here are some shots from Saturday's Wisconsin-TCU game:
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It's the one bowl game (short of the National Championship) where fans say "Screw it...it's the Rose Bowl. You bet your ass I'm going."

Put that together with the fact that it's played in Southern California in the winter, and you'll get a sellout every time.

[QUOTE=massp88;69881219]Has the Rose Bowl game ever failed to sellout? It always seems to be full year in and year out no matter who plays there.

There are a few occasions where the Rose Bowl was not sold out. In 1993, back when the capacity was still more than 100,000 attendance was only about 94,000, mainly because Washington and Michigan were playing a rematch from the preceding year. In 2003, a non-traditional match up between Oklahoma and Washington State, combined with WSU's coach taking a new job prior to the bowl game led to an attendance of only about 87,000. Nowadays the game is considered to be a contractual sellout so I don't know if you're likely to see similar circumstances in the future.

Why didn't Stanford get placed in the Rose Bowl instead of the Orange Bowl?
The BCS bowls pick teams in a rotating order. Rose has a clause that allows them to choose the PAC10 and BigTen champs if they're not in the BCS Championship Game, Sugar gets the SEC champ (or another if they're in the CG), Orange gets ACC champ (or another if they're in the CG). Fiesta has no hard ties, but often has the Big12 representative. Big East has no hard tie-in with a BCS bowl game.

This year, Oregon was in the BCS CG, and Orange had the chance to pick another PAC10 team when their 2nd choice came around (Orange is obligated to take ACC champ Virginia Tech, and Rose picked BigTen Champ Wisconsin in the first round of picks). I don't know the order this year. TCU could have been chosen over another available AQ. However, since only 2 teams from a conference can be in BCS games (including the Championship Game) Rose couldn't pick a 3rd team from the PAC10

Last year, however, Fiesta wanted both TCU and Boise St.. So when someone complains about "The BCS putting the Non-AQs in the game together" it wasn't a conspiracy. Each bowl wants the most exciting matchup to bring in the most viewers.

It isn't a "rotation" of non-AQ, especially since the Orange Bowl hasn't hosted a non-AQ yet. Fiesta has had Utah, Boise 2x and TCU, Rose had TCU, Sugar had Hawaii and Utah. Each bowl has chosen these non-AQ's (sometimes they were the last pick, but mostly they weren't).

The BCS bowls pick teams in a rotating order. Rose has a clause that allows them to choose the PAC10 and BigTen champs if they're not in the BCS Championship Game, Sugar gets the SEC champ (or another if they're in the CG), Orange gets ACC champ (or another if they're in the CG). Fiesta has no hard ties, but often has the Big12 representative. Big East has no hard tie-in with a BCS bowl game.

This year, Oregon was in the BCS CG, and Orange had the chance to pick another PAC10 team when their 2nd choice came around (Orange is obligated to take ACC champ Virginia Tech, and Rose picked BigTen Champ Wisconsin in the first round of picks). I don't know the order this year. TCU could have been chosen over another available AQ. However, since only 2 teams from a conference can be in BCS games (including the Championship Game) Rose couldn't pick a 3rd team from the PAC10

Last year, however, Fiesta wanted both TCU and Boise St.. So when someone complains about "The BCS putting the Non-AQs in the game together" it wasn't a conspiracy. Each bowl wants the most exciting matchup to bring in the most viewers.

It isn't a "rotation" of non-AQ, especially since the Orange Bowl hasn't hosted a non-AQ yet. Fiesta has had Utah, Boise 2x and TCU, Rose had TCU, Sugar had Hawaii and Utah. Each bowl has chosen these non-AQ's (sometimes they were the last pick, but mostly they weren't).

Actually, the Rose Bowl wanted Stanford and wanted to keep their Big-10/Pac-10 games, but they never got a chance because there were some upset people that because the Rose Bowl is the only BCS game with two conference tie ins, they would never be forced to take a non-AQ. They would always either have their Big-10/Pac-10 match up or one of the first two picks of available teams. Because of that, there was a clause put in the new BCS contract that the first time The Rose Bowl lost a team to the national title game and there was a non-AQ that finished high enough to guarantee a BCS bowl, the Rose Bowl would have to take them. The Rose Bowl was really hoping that Auburn would lose the SEC Title Game because then TCU would have slid into the title game and they would have been free to pick Stanford.

Had that clause not been inserted in the new contract, the Sugar Bowl would have had first pick of teams (because their tie in, the SEC champ Auburn finished 1st) and after that, the Rose Bowl would have had their choice of any BCS bowl eligible team. Teams assigned to bowls via tie ins, such as Wisconsin to the Rose Bowl or Oklahoma to the Fiesta Bowl, do not count in the round of picking.

...Because of that, there was a clause put in the new BCS contract that the first time The Rose Bowl lost a team to the national title game and there was a non-AQ that finished high enough to guarantee a BCS bowl, the Rose Bowl would have to take them.
Yep. I was wrong. I screwed up a lot in that post now that I re-read it. Its better to ignore it all than for me to pick out the little bit of correct information that was in it.

Too much :cheers:

Rose Bowl has that curved shaped from above that is timeless.
Beautiful shapes never get old.

Renovation groundbreaking tomorrow

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_17043242

2011 Gold Cup Final

2011 Gold Cup Final

Can't wait. If any of you make your way out here for it, first beer is on me.

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PASADENA - A $152 million makeover of the historic Rose Bowl moved into another stage Thursday when workers dismantled the north video board to make way for a high-definition LED board more than double its size.

As part of the renovation project, which began Jan. 10, the current video board is being replaced with a new 78-foot by 30-foot LED video board, flanked by LED advertising panels.

The improvements are part of $2 million in video upgrades planned for the stadium.

In addition, a new utility service loop is also under construction; deck repairs on the south side are underway; and workers are preparing to widen the tunnels on the south side.

"We are right on track," Margo Mavridis, the renovation project's director, said Thursday. "It's all work and it's going to be noticeable as we continue."

The work will be highly visible when the Rose Bowl's south scoreboard starts to come down around the end of the month, officials said. The scoreboard will be reconstructed to recall scoreboards used in the 1940s.

Work on the press box, which will be made longer and deeper, will also begin in the coming months, when new concrete foundations will be built behind the existing press box, Mavridis said.

The press box will stay in place for the next football season. However, the south side will be demolished and rebuilt in the project's second year, and the north side will be demolished and rebuilt in the third year.


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Scoreboard is completely dismantled, video board next

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_17253368

Out are the old incandescent-light scoreboards, relics of the 20th century that lacked the energy efficiency and the crisp picture of modern scoreboards.

Replacing the old scoreboards will be LED (light emitting diode) displays measuring 30 feet wide by 78 feet long.

The scoreboard replacement is part of the $152 million, three-year renovation of the Rose Bowl stadium, the most far-reaching makeover ever for the historic stadium.

The last day for the old scoreboards was Monday. A wrecking crew dismantled the scoreboards and the large concrete stands on which the boards were mounted.

The new technology that will be in place by the first UCLA football game in the fall comes with a bevy of advantages, officials said.

"It's a fraction of the cost for electricity to run and has better image quality and allows for flexibility," said Margo Marvidis, the Rose Bowl Operating Company's project director. "We can have scores, replays and game information all at once."

That means advertisements, replays, game stats, crowd shots and player pictures can share the same display screen, Marvidis said.

More pics: http://lang.pasadenastarnews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1162829#id=1162829&num=13

Would've been better if they simply restored the place rather than adding out of place modern stuff like a giant videoboard.

I don't think the new videoboard is that out of place.

Would've been better if they simply restored the place rather than adding out of place modern stuff like a giant videoboard.

They need the modern stuff to make the money necessary to keep UCLA and the Rose Bowl at the Rose Bowl, as well as other events.

I hope they dont screw this project up.

My question is are the North South ends going to have matching boards/signs?
Seems like one end(North end?) is going to be much bigger?

I hope they dont screw this project up.

My question is are the North South ends going to have matching boards/signs?
Seems like one end(North end?) is going to be much bigger?

Large videoboard in the north, smaller retro scoreboard in the south

This is what the scoreboards will look like:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64819713&postcount=62

Large videoboard in the north, smaller retro scoreboard in the south

This is what the scoreboards will look like:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=64819713&postcount=62

Funny that I go to Rose Bowl a few times a week to run around the golf course but Ive never seen the North side from the outside. Is there the classic "Rose Bowl" signage on the outside that matches the South side?

From the inside, I thought it might look weird if the two signs opposite each other are asymmetrical.

I get they want a bigger LED screen but the North end board is going to look huge!

South scoreboard has also now been taken down: http://lang.pasadenastarnews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1177025#id=1177025&num=14

B-2 flyby:
http://www.webconsuls.com/blog/uploaded_images/b2Rose-719729.jpg

That's quite a pic. I'm going to have to look at that site.

Would've been better if they simply restored the place rather than adding out of place modern stuff like a giant videoboard.

Why can't tey restore th eplace and add the new modern stuff?

don't get why people are so against giant video. DKR and Cowboys Stadium both feel awesome with the giant video. The sound is what's most annoying to me. It needs to be more localized. Perhaps built into the stands and quieter overall might work better. I guess that presents its own problems.

When I see The Rose Bowl and the surrounding area, I think of College Football and California. Just ...... choking on tradition. A giant video scoreboard would ruin it all.

One like the Cowboys or UT's in Austin? Absolutely. Luckily this one isn't going to be that giant. The new Rose Bowl board is not going to be much bigger than the two old individual ones put together. But it will have better resolution and be more multifunctional.

When I see The Rose Bowl and the surrounding area, I think of College Football and California. Just ...... choking on tradition. A giant video scoreboard would ruin it all.


I think you're mistaking tradition for didn't have the technology in the past.

Lots of progress...the iconic berm surrounding the press box has been completely taken down

http://lang.pasadenastarnews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1201610#id=1201610&num=6

When I see The Rose Bowl and the surrounding area, I think of College Football and California. Just ...... choking on tradition. A giant video scoreboard would ruin it all.

....how?

....how?

The two sides wont be symmetrical with a giant video board on one side.
Its going to look unbalanced. Not to mention weird from the outside.

The two sides wont be symmetrical with a giant video board on one side.
Its going to look unbalanced. Not to mention weird from the outside.

Hard to pass judgement until we see the final product. It should look fine.

Reports that the majority of phase 1 (new LED video board, widened aisles) will be completed by June 25th for the 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final.

Updated photos: http://lang.pasadenastarnews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1244889#id=1244889&num=11

Latest update: http://lang.pasadenastarnews.com/photos/photos.asp?a=1268449#id=1268449&num=6

So the Rose Bowl will have a renovated press box, new scoreboards, and new gates?

if you want to see it in its current form for the last time, check out the Mexico - USA gold cup finals game on saturday....

we need pics and video from the game on sat.

New scoreboards, blend of the past and the present in each end zone:

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Already 90,000 +tix sold.... should be an amazing atmosphere!

Photos from today's USMNT training session: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150227267983941.327323.32421823940

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I had a feeling it was going to look strange.

well, 93,500 at the USA Mexico game... about 85 - 90% Mexico fans.

well, 93,500 at the USA Mexico game... about 85 - 90% Mexico fans.

It's a shame more US fans didn't buy tickets, but there are a lot of Mexican American soccer fans in CA and TX and I am sure CONCACAF put the semis and the finals there knowing full well that would happen. All they really care about is keeping their coffers full.

I'm upset that on a Saturday night, no network or even ESPN2 picked up the game. I'm on vacation and without my sports package, so I had to keep up with the game via ESPN Gamecast and Youtube.

Correct me if Im wrong but without the Mexican fans, the Rose Bowl would of been half empty.

Would've been better if they simply restored the place rather than adding out of place modern stuff like a giant videoboard.

I agree. The north and south not matching just looks weird to me

It's a shame more US fans didn't buy tickets, but there are a lot of Mexican American soccer fans in CA and TX and I am sure CONCACAF put the semis and the finals there knowing full well that would happen. All they really care about is keeping their coffers full.

I'm upset that on a Saturday night, no network or even ESPN2 picked up the game. I'm on vacation and without my sports package, so I had to keep up with the game via ESPN Gamecast and Youtube.

The game was on the Fox Soccer Channel and Univision.

Correct me if Im wrong but without the Mexican fans, the Rose Bowl would of been half empty.

Thats like saying 'without all the Auburn fans, the stands for the national championship game would be half empty...'

It's a shame more US fans didn't buy tickets, but there are a lot of Mexican American soccer fans in CA and TX and I am sure CONCACAF put the semis and the finals there knowing full well that would happen. All they really care about is keeping their coffers full.

I'm upset that on a Saturday night, no network or even ESPN2 picked up the game. I'm on vacation and without my sports package, so I had to keep up with the game via ESPN Gamecast and Youtube.

It's not surprising. MLS does not even get that much attention from ESPN. Americans in large numbers will only watch the national team play in the World Cup. European teams get more attention hence why ESPN & ESPN 2 will show all the Euro tournament matches live. I also think some of the early morning Premier League matches get higher ratings than MLS matches do for ESPN.

Thats like saying 'without all the Auburn fans, the stands for the national championship game would be half empty...'

You could look at it that way. I dont totally agree with your comments though.

The GC Final was held in the USA, just saying the Americans didnt seem interested in supporting their team.

The GC Final was held in the USA, just saying the Americans didnt seem interested in supporting their team.
"What's the Gold Cup?"

You could look at it that way. I dont totally agree with your comments though.

The GC Final was held in the USA, just saying the Americans didnt seem interested in supporting their team.

If you look at map, Los Angeles is geographically located in the USA, but culturally it is very Hispanic. And when we say Hispanic, we pretty much mean Mexican.

If you look at map, Los Angeles is geographically located in the USA, but culturally it is very Hispanic. And when we say Hispanic, we pretty much mean Mexican.

Yes, Im aware. I live in LA County.

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Video update and new renders: http://kezi.com/sports/234732

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Here is a link that is frequently updated with photos of the renovation progress:

http://ow.ly/user/RoseBowlStadium

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Can we get some more renderings of the renovation?

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Can we get some more renderings of the renovation?

Renovation Plans - http://www.rosebowlstadium.com/RoseBowl-Renovations.php

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http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/wp-content/gallery/june-4-2012/img_2090.jpg

June 4th Update
http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/june-2012-photos/june-4-2012-2/


With these renovations is there any chance the stadium can host a future Super Bowl?

With these renovations is there any chance the stadium can host a future Super Bowl?
I would say no. The NFL won't bring the Super Bowl back to LA without a franchise playing there, and would prefer to play in the new stadium of the franchise.

Yeah, you can pretty much forget about the Super Bowl coming back to "college level" stadiums like the Rose Bowl.

That stopped in the 90's.

Are there some update pics of the renovation?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/7064769291_cc44aabd61_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ml_kap/7064769291/

This one is 4 months old. Still searching for more recent pics.

From July

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/wp-content/gallery/july-23-2012/press-box-field-view-23jul12-2.jpg

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/wp-content/gallery/july-23-2012/north-bowl-railings-installed-23jul12.jpg

More here: http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/july-2012-photos/

the renovations are a disappointment to me...
pointless and expensive as well

Here is recent.

http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/kabc/cms_exf_2007/news/local/los_angeles/8803327_448x252.jpg

Source: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8803313

http://photos.pasadenastarnews.com/2012/09/06/photos-rose-bowl-renovations-continue-in-preparation-for-saturdays-ucla-bruins-first-home-game-against-nebrasha-corhuskers/

the renovations are a disappointment to me...
pointless and expensive as well

How are they pointless? The stadium needed to expand its luxury seating to make it economically viable, it needs to improve its infrastructure such as tunnels and it needed to repair a lot of things that deteriorate at any stadium. That is what this renovation is doing.

http://photos.pasadenastarnews.com/2012/09/06/photos-rose-bowl-renovations-continue-in-preparation-for-saturdays-ucla-bruins-first-home-game-against-nebrasha-corhuskers/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7128/7064769291_cc44aabd61_o.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ml_kap/7064769291/

This one is 4 months old. Still searching for more recent pics.

Wow, the stadium is looking nice except for that south scoreboard. I especially like this pic:

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Can't wait to see the return of the elliptical field...

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/wp-content/gallery/renderings/north-scoreboard-sim_lr.jpg

From the inside the south scoreboard looks great:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0910/la_e_rosebowl11_576.jpg

On the outside, the marquee now looks kinda awkward (image by kenneth alan lewis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethalan/7536759540/)):

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7536759540_3fac66032d_b.jpg

How are they pointless? The stadium needed to expand its luxury seating to make it economically viable, it needs to improve its infrastructure such as tunnels and it needed to repair a lot of things that deteriorate at any stadium. That is what this renovation is doing.

Economically viable for who and what?
I love the place, dont get me wrong but I feel its a scam at tax payers expense.

I feel its pointless because it was fine the way it was.
How about replacing the actual seats for the real fans.
Probably because it doesnt make money.

Tearing down the old press box and adding luxury suites are a safety issue?

It looks like they built a hotel next to the stadium now with electronic billboards.

Just my .02...

From the inside the south scoreboard looks great:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0910/la_e_rosebowl11_576.jpg

On the outside, the marquee now looks kinda awkward (image by kenneth alan lewis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kennethalan/7536759540/)):

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7536759540_3fac66032d_b.jpg

Widening the area around the "Rose Bowl" sign looks very awkward. Its just too wide! Too much white area!
It looks even weirder how the white area doesnt go all the way down to match the original sign(where the sec 25 sign is)
You can see a seam there and it looks like an added on feature, which it is.

I feel the interior didnt need the 2 electronic billboards next to the scoreboard. The greed from wanting electronic scoreboard ruined the outward appearance.
Unfortunate.

Good memories to people of Brazil!

Economically viable for who and what?
I love the place, dont get me wrong but I feel its a scam at tax payers expense.

I feel its pointless because it was fine the way it was.
How about replacing the actual seats for the real fans.
Probably because it doesnt make money.

Tearing down the old press box and adding luxury suites are a safety issue?

It looks like they built a hotel next to the stadium now with electronic billboards.

Just my .02...


Have you been inside the stadium and seen the work?

Economically viable for who and what?
I love the place, dont get me wrong but I feel its a scam at tax payers expense.

Huh? What tax payer expense are you talking about? In order to renovate, they issued bonds that will be serviced directly from Rose Bowl revenue. No public money is being used.

anyone knows what would be the approx capacity of rose bowl if they install seats (chairs) allaround?

Here's links to all the renovation photos of the Rose Bowl anyone would care to see..enjoy!

2012 Rose Bowl Reconstruction Photos
(http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/january-2012-reconstruction-photos/)
January 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/january-2012-reconstruction-photos/)
February 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/february-2012-photos/)
March 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/march-2012-photos/)
April 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/april-2012-photos/)
May 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/may-2012-photos/)
June 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/june-2012-photos/)
July 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/july-2012-photos/)
August 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/august-2012-photos/)
September 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/september-2012-photos/)
October 2012 Photos (http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2012-reconstruction-photos-2/october-2012-photos/)

anyone knows what would be the approx capacity of rose bowl if they install seats (chairs) allaround?
The general rule of thumb is about 2/3 of the old capacity.

its more like in the 80% range. I think we calculated it here once.

Surprised to see so many tip-up seats in a college stadium, 'cause usually the vast majority is benches, whilst this stadium appears to be more like a 50-50 split.

its more like in the 80% range. I think we calculated it here once.
I'd like to see that.

the new maracana will be very similar to Rose Bowl.

the new maracana will be very similar to Rose Bowl.

nope ... apart from being a bowl :)

Does anyone have any updated information on this renovation?

Images from January can be found here:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2013-reconstruction-photos/january-2013-photos/

Status reports haven't been updated since November:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/updates-information/status-report-archive/

Images from January can be found here:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2013-reconstruction-photos/january-2013-photos/

Status reports haven't been updated since November:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/updates-information/status-report-archive/

Yeah, I had found that stuff, but not much else. That's why I was wondering. Thanks though. :)

Images from January can be found here:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/photo-galleries-2/2013-reconstruction-photos/january-2013-photos/

Status reports haven't been updated since November:

http://www.rosebowl-renovation.com/updates-information/status-report-archive/
So they weren't finished by the Rose Bowl game? I had no idea, and you couldn't tell from the TV coverage.

I was at the game and you could tell there was still a bit of work to be done.

I don't think there was anyone in the club seat section.

any chance of adding another tier??? would be massiveeee

any chance of adding another tier??? would be massiveeee

Uhhh ......... no. :no:


There are far more reasons than I can even begin to get into here, but the current renovation is all that is going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future.

if it had a permanent tenet - maybe in the future. but yeah, no.

if it had a permanent tenet - maybe in the future. but yeah, no.

You mean, like UCLA?

any chance of adding another tier??? would be massiveeee
Yes, too massive. The city of Pasadena is not happy with the amount and size of events going on now, and I bet a lot of the citizens would be delighted if elves came along one night and moved the stadium to someplace far away.

ohh ok sorry didnt know about that it was IMO that to add a another tier but as you commented the feedback...sorry didnt know

ohh ok sorry didnt know about that it was IMO that to add a another tier but as you commented the feedback...sorry didnt know

Don't sweat it.

One thing about classic American college football bowl stadiums like the Rose Bowl is, there's not much you can do to "improve" or add on to them. Typically, they're left alone because they're already big enough.

The Cotton Bowl on the other hand is a different story...

alright

Is there any remote chance that in the future they make the Rose Bowl into the Rose Dome, with an external-anchored retractable roof?

No

Is there any remote chance that in the future they make the Rose Bowl into the Rose Dome, with an external-anchored retractable roof?

better chance i have a threesome with kate upton and sofia vergara.

Why on earth would you want to ruin this perfect stadium by putting a worhtless roof on it? its perfect the way it is. i honestly cant remember one weather delay at the rose bowl

Is there any remote chance that in the future they make the Rose Bowl into the Rose Dome, with an external-anchored retractable roof?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lp988ctsB81qhwz1w.gif

Apparently, some of you people don't know much about the weather in SoCal...

worthless roof sounds about right.

I'll ad my .2 cents worth..

Is there any remote chance that in the future they make the Rose Bowl into the Rose Dome, with an external-anchored retractable roof?

No way..Did you know the average rainfall in the LA area is only about 16 inches a YEAR?..no need for a dome.

LA weather chart..

http://i.imgur.com/vNAsQKY.png (http://imgur.com/vNAsQKY)

better chance i have a threesome with kate upton and sofia vergara.

Why on earth would you want to ruin this perfect stadium by putting a worhtless roof on it? its perfect the way it is. i honestly cant remember one weather delay at the rose bowl

good choice, although any threesome is unlikely , i guess :)


rose bowl is cool indeed, but its by far not perfect. its great bowl from old times, but it can never match modern stadiums such as new meadowlands or simmilar. and yes, roof is not really a necessity in south california ;)

City sues general contractor

http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_23270918/pasadena-rose-bowl-sue-fired-general-contractor-over

How do you imagine this stadium's appearance by the year 2060?

How do you imagine this stadium's appearance by the year 2060?
I see many more suites, probably from end line to end line on both sides of the field, and most (if not all) of the seating converted to individual chairs. Which would knock the capacity down to somewhere around 70,000. But the basic design would be unchanged.

How do you imagine this stadium's appearance by the year 2060?

http://i.imgur.com/YBX41.jpg

jk :lol:

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The Rose Bowl's new premium seating pavilion is substantially complete Monday, April 22, 2013. A photo of the bar area with 2 identical club lounges. D level has 48 4-person loge boxes for a total of 192 seats and a loge lounge with seating for 192. (SGVN/Photo by Walt Mancini)

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The Rose Bowl's new premium seating pavilion is substantially complete Monday, April 22, 2013. The bar in the Club Lounge. On the D level of the Rose Bowl, there is 732 club seats, 2 identical club lounges and has 48 4-person loge boxes for a total of 192 seats. The loge lounge with seating for 192 level has 32 suites for a total of 579 seats. E level has 468 club seats. F level has 22 suites for a total of 516 seats and F level accommodates 159 media seats per wing for a total of 318 seats. (SGVN/Photo by Walt Mancini)

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