"Macedonian Struggle" - Museum of IMRO and the Victims of Communism under construction in center Skopje, located between the Stone Bridge and Old National Theater. To be completed by 2010. (photos by dewrob)


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I like it, much better then the other proposal anyway.

Archiecturally, I like Skopje's image as a new city, and I think it's better if they build a modern-looking museum, instead of something so neo-19th-century-Ottoman, but anyway..

What I'd like to know is why were all the comments deleted, including mine, which were in favor of the museum :dunno:

Archiecturally, I like Skopje's image as a new city, and I think it's better if they build a modern-looking museum, instead of something so neo-19th-century-Ottoman, but anyway..

It actually has elements of Byzanthine, not Ottoman architecture. Don't forget that the Ottomans copied everything from the Byzanthines.:)

It actually has elements of Byzanthine, not Ottoman architecture. Don't forget that the Ottomans copied everything from the Byzanthines.:)

Во право си :bowtie:

It actually has elements of Byzanthine, not Ottoman architecture. Don't forget that the Ottomans copied everything from the Byzanthines.:)

Quote! ...and not only from them.

I think that the architecture of this new museum is very anachronistic.

Here is the original rendering of the Macedonian Struggle Museum:

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That is more appropriate for the "strugle"!

But seems to be a little bit "I wanna be modern"! And I don't really understand the need for that star on the prospect.

Anyway, better than the actual building.

Although I am also in favor of a museum with modern architecture, I do not like the proposal with the star. I would have strongly supported this proposal instead:

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Although I am also in favor of a museum with modern architecture, I do not like the proposal with the star. I would have strongly supported this proposal instead:

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These renderings remind me of the Lloyds of London building and the Pompadour center in Paris.

^^ Yea, it kind of does

^^True! Eventhough are totally two different architectures.

The second proposal is the oposite of the first one. Extrovert vs introvert.

Interesting choice of name.......for a new museum: D

For your information, there is already a " Museum of the Macedonian Struggle" in Thessaloniki, Province of Macedonia, Greece.

This museum was opened in 1981 in a Neoclassical building that was built in the centre of Thessaloniki at the end of the 19th century and designed by Ernst Ziller.

^^Yeah the government is in some past century architectual phase thing where they're rebuilding the old buildings destroyed during the earth quake.

Um ok this forum must have deleted my post to NickyF...
Anyway what i said was the government is in some past century phase of old looking buildings, that's why they're re-building the old buildings that got ruined in the earth quake and making this one look old, i like it but i also like the original proposal with the crack in the middle and the star on the side, that would have looked really cool, it looks trendy.

This is absolutely the most interesting project Skopje will ever have in my opinion, the stuff displayed in the museum itself, I mean!

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo334/alek_di/IMG_3078.jpg
taken by ovaj_stariov, build.mk

by Cloverstack, Build.mk

http://www.build.mk/docs/users/cloverstack/muzei/makedonska%20borba%2008%2001.jpg

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Шпер, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1376

I liked the glassy project better as well, however, it's good that a museum is being built at all on this scale :)

I liked the glassy project better as well, however, it's good that a museum is being built at all on this scale :)

It's all good except for its bullshit name, the shitty exhibitions that are going to be portrayed there, and its insane price tag.

The full name is the "Museum of the Macedonian Struggle and the victims of Communism". What victims they have in mind, I can only wonder... Dumbass nationalists!

Obviously there were victims of Communism in Macedonia, if they're building a museum dedicated to them.

Some pics I found.


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Obviously there were victims of Communism in Macedonia, if they're building a museum dedicated to them.



Yeah, like 15 separatists. Anyway, stupid museum, stupid name, and insane money laundering.

^^ If you don't mind me asking separatists from who?

I am assuming that they were separatists from Yugoslavia in favor of independent Macedonia.

Мебел од фантазијата за Музејот на ВМРО

Владата нарача мебел од фантазијата, тежок 820.000 евра, за ентериерно уредување на Музејот на ВМРО и на Музејот на жртвите од комунизмот од истата фирма што ја опремуваше и луксузната вила за претседателот на државата, Ѓорге Иванов. Фирмата „Дизајн фантази“ ќе изработи фоаје, стотина витрини за музејските експонати, продавница за сувенири, ќе ги опреми административниот дел на објектот, салите, кафетеријата и компјутерското катче на музејот, кој досега исцрпи над 8 милиони евра од буџетот. Колку ќе чини целиот објект, кој најверојатно ќе биде отворен в година, засега никој не соопштил.

На фирмата што го доби тендерот од Министерството за култура и' е забрането да открива детали за ентериерот на Музејот.

- Имаме сугестија од нарачателот да не откриваме никакви детали за набавката. Има друга фирма-проектант со која треба да се констатираат деталите за целата набавка, засега немаме никакви инструкции од нарачателот, се' уште е рано - вели Јорданчо Велков, прв човек на „Дизајн фантази“.

Од Министерството за култура појаснуваат кои се обврските на набавувачот.

- Во делот на ентериерот на музејскиот комплекс спаѓаат и мебелот и опремата или поконкретно, опремување на фоајето, на продавницата за сувенири, потоа опрема за малата повеќенаменска сала и за големата повеќенаменска сала, опрема во административниот простор, библиотеката, компјутерскиот центар, кафетеријата, како и витрините за музејските експонати и друга опрема што се однесува на изложување - велат во Министерството.

Оттаму информираат дека работите на музејскиот комплекс се одвиваат согласно пропишаниот план и динамика, и се очекува да завршат во првата половина на идната година, кога се планира и негово отворање за јавноста.

Од Министерството не откриваат која била другата фирма што конкурирала на јавниот оглас, ниту зошто била одбиена. Нема детали ниту дали другиот понудувач понудил пониска цена за мебелот и за опремата од 820.000 евра на избраната фирма „Дизајн фантази“.

Во музејскиот комплекс на ВМРО и на жртвите од комунизмот ќе бидат поставени восочни фигури, портрети и масовни сцени. Веќе се работат восочните фигури на Тодор Александров, Мара Бунева, Ванчо Михајлов, Гоце Делчев, Крсте Мисирков. Ќе има масовни сцени од македонската историја, како и портрети на видни личности од нашето социјално и политичко милје.

Според официјалните податоци, досега само за изградба на музејскиот комплекс му се платени 4,5 милиони евра на штипски „Бетон“. По оваа сума следуваа два анкеса со истата фирма на половина милион евра и на 124.000 евра.

Потоа 105 восочни што се работат во Украина чинат околу 1,5 милион евра, масовните сцени од руски и домашни автори 1.040.000 евра, слики и рамки 150.000 евра, техничкиот проект 190.000 евра.

На мен не ми харесва факта, че новите сгради са толкова големи, че закриват крепостта на Самуил и хълма.

Потоа 105 восочни што се работат во Украина чинат околу 1,5 милион евра

What does this mean? I seem to recognize all the words, but it sounds to me like "wax" is working in "Ukraine" at a cost of "1.5 mln euro." Is Macedonia buying wax from Ukraine for this museum or actual exhibits?

105 sculptures made of wax, like those in Madame Tussauds museums.... from Ukraine..1.5 mil euros.... for the wax works... we chose an art company from Ukraine.... the design and the looks of the sculptures are done in Macedonia....

Also there will be I think 32 big scenes... each about 6m long.... will be made by 10 Russian artists... the cost 500k euros....

and furniture for 820k euros.... from Macedonia....

Also Macedonian artists will made portraits of famous persons for 600k euros

На мен не ми харесва факта, че новите сгради са толкова големи, че закриват крепостта на Самуил и хълма.

The Skopje fortress has nothing to do with Samuil. You got mixed up with Ohrid :)

Hahaha ohhhh yes... :D ...Sram...

I am assuming that they were separatists from Yugoslavia in favor of independent Macedonia.

You assume well my friend. Even though the right term would be secessionists, I personally perceive them more as separatists.

That's like, say, Ukrainians fighting for an independent Ukraine in the 1960's, 1970's, or 1980's. If you're pro-Soviet, you'd probably call them stupid secessionists (or separatists, as I did), or if you're ultra right wing nationalist, you'd probably call them freedom fighters or national heroes (happening right now in Macedonia).

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The above stated is just my personal point of view of course, and since we've got a lot of those "commie retards VS godsent patriots" discussions going on in our own back yard I would like to steer clear of such discussions. I just wanted to clear a few things up for you guys, since you seem interested in Macedonia (which I like). :)

Night photo made by mitatos, build.mk

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Some day it will be spoken too that Macedonian, Dilma Rusef, once ruled the Brazil. =)

Mnogu ubav muzejski objekt prekrasna Makedonska arhitektura.

Some updates of this building from build.mk by alexgizh.

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From Cloverstack on build.mk

http://www.build.mk/docs/users/1/Proekti/Kulturni/Muzej%20Makedonska%20borba/Muzejski%20kompleks%20Makedonska%20borba%201001.jpg

Trebase malko porazlicna niansa na boji za povekje da se primetuvaa ukrasite na fasadata.

From Google Earth:

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From three nights ago. You can see the beach in front too.

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From build.mk by Superman

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Some more pictures from build.mk

http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/DSCN3261.JPG

http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/DSCN3248.JPG

http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/DSCN3256.JPG

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http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/DSCN3266.JPG

http://www.build.mk/docs/pics/DSCN3265.JPG

A high resolution picture from panoramio.com

Full resolution here:
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predobro izgleda !!!

Mnogu ubava Fotografija.

Some more from flickr.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6740585051_63c2d11c03_b.jpg

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Found this on Panoramio.com. I believe it's of the interior of this building.

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