MIAMI GARDENS - Sun Life Stadium (75,540) [Archive]

coexist

June 18th, 2008, 07:32 AM

Those pictures are a bit deceiving. The baseball picture is from Opening Day, which regularly gets a huge crowd in any city. The football pictures are from way before the game starts. If you look at the very first pic of the thread, you can get a better idea of the crowds that show up for baseball games there. Miami regularly draws some of the lowest crowds in all of baseball - honestly, I don't think they should even have a team, considering their attendances. Even in the years in which they won World Championships, they didn't draw good crowds during the regular season.

Miami is really misleading when it comes to judging nationwide popularity of sports. First off, it's not a huge sports town - it has a huge beach/party/clubs/etc. scene and for many people in South Florida, especially college-age kids that would go to sporting events in other cities, that takes precedence over sports. Secondly, their baseball team was formed in 1993, as compared to their football team, which has been there since 1960. Thus, the baseball team doesn't have as much of an established fanbase, and their ownership has been horrible, further curtailing their ability to draw crowds.

On a nationwide level, football is slightly more popular than baseball, although people from the South and Midwest often tend to exaggerate the difference between the two (likewise, a lot of people from the Northeast and the West Coast tend to underestimate the difference). Baseball is still the number one sport in the northeast and on the west coast, especially in New York City and Boston, where baseball dominates the headlines even during the offseason (I've seen deals made by the Yankees and Mets get more attention in NYC on the same day as Giants/Jets games in the middle of December). There's also parts of the Midwest where baseball still reigns king - for instance, Chicago is still a baseball town, especially on the North Side, where the Cubs are wildly popular. I've noticed that baseball generally has a greater popularity in bigger cities, or in mid-sized cities that have had baseball teams since the early 1900s, while football is more popular in areas with lots of college football teams, in the South (where college football is absolutely huge), and where baseball teams weren't established until the 1970s or 1990s. A lot of football's popularity is driven by college football, and the NFL has become the most popular league in America (and, when looking at it from solely that nation and not international attention given to a certain domestic league, the entire world - of course, when looking at it from an international perspective, the EPL, La Liga, Serie A, etc., are way ahead of any American sports league) largely due to gambling. It's basically impossible to gamble on baseball, considering each team plays 162 games per year, and almost always wins 60 of those games and loses 60 of those games. Even the best teams lose to the worst teams on a regular basis - it's bound to happen a few times when teams in the same division play each other 19 times per year. Likewise, baseball has different pitchers starting each game, so a bad team with a really good pitcher on the mound that day can beat a good team with a bad starting pitcher that day, while football keeps a constant starting lineup every game. Since baseball is neary impossible to bet on, outside of playoff results, while football is the easiest team sport in the US to bet on, gambling has increased the NFL's attention nationwide.

Still, baseball is still more popular than football in much of the nation, especially in the biggest cities (likewise, baseball tends to have way less popularity than football in rural areas). And given how it lasts throughout summer, is present every single day for 6 months (unlike football, which only happens one or two days a week for 4 months), and is much easier to play as a kid than football (hence why Little League baseball has so many players, while youth football doesn't have nearly as many), baseball is definitely a huge part of the fabric of this nation - moreso than any other sport can even dream to be.

It's almost impossible to judge which one is definitively more popular than the other. It all depends on one's definition of "popularity," the area in which one lives, and the importance of different factors than can contribute to "popularity."

bing222

June 18th, 2008, 07:41 AM

It looks very different when baseball is played there

en1044

June 18th, 2008, 07:48 AM

heres a comparison, to show the differences between baseball and football

baseball
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Diag/DolphinsStadium_side.gif

football
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Diag/DolphinsStadium_FB.gif

combined
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/Diag/DolphinsStadium_X.gif

in baseball configuration, the seats colored black are covered with a tarp, and the seats that would be in left field in football configuration are retracted into the wall

Big Texan

June 18th, 2008, 07:50 AM

but its the NFL. You could put a team in Fargo, North Dakota and that place would be rockin'.

only if they win

Are the renovations here done?

Marckymarc

June 18th, 2008, 08:30 AM

www.sercan.de

June 18th, 2008, 10:29 AM

Found this one :D
Stadium Only 2/3 Full (What Happens When Your Team is 0-9)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skaines/2001301251/sizes/l/

nyrmetros

June 19th, 2008, 06:22 AM

Are there any pics of this stadium in soccer configuration mode?

kuquito

August 5th, 2008, 03:31 AM

Great stadium shame about the colour.

en1044

August 5th, 2008, 03:44 AM

Great stadium shame about the colour.

whats wrong with the color?

TexasBoi

August 5th, 2008, 04:09 AM

Typical crowd for a Marlins game:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/gennaro_filice/09/14/fiveup.fivedown/t1_dolphinstadium.jpg

:nuts::nuts:

PS: It's not really typical, but this was an actual crowd last year.

That's obviously during warmup, right? Because if that's a game, that is rediculous.

Goothrey

August 5th, 2008, 04:20 AM

Looks legit. The umps are in position as are the base coaches.

Bobby3

August 6th, 2008, 08:41 PM

It is legit.

The Marlins were playing the Nationals. Major League Baseball hilariously reported it as 10,000 (anytime it ends in four zeros you know they pulled it out of their ass). An attendee claimed to count 375.

It's a record low (by a country mile) for the top division of one of the top five (football, baseball, baseball, hockey and soccer) team sports in America.

swaugh3

May 21st, 2009, 12:22 AM

This Stadium is now LandShark Stadium (http://www.landsharkstadium.com/).

Home Of Miami Dolphins Now Called LandShark Stadium
Dolphin Stadium Renamed

From JustNews.com
POSTED: Friday, May 8, 2009
UPDATED: 2:32 pm EDT May 8, 2009
MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. -- Starting Friday, the home of the Miami Dolphins has a new name: LandShark Stadium.

The billboard bearing the new name and logo of the former Dolphin Stadium has already been put up.

Video (http://www.justnews.com/video/19408147/index.html)
Slideshow (javascript:popUp('/slideshow/sports/19407827/detail.html','width=1024,height=750,top=0,left=0,scrollbars');)

Musician Jimmy Buffett owns the LandShark beer brand, a co-project with Anheuser Busch, and was instrumental in negotiating the renaming rights of the stadium.

Beginning with the first home game on Sept. 21, Dolphins fans will notice a whole new look to the stadium, which has already gone through five name changes, Local 10's Elena Echarri reported. The stadium will have a new Margaritaville-inspired area in honor of one of Buffett's most famous songs.

Buffett performed at an event at the newly dubbed LandShark Stadium on Friday to screaming Parrotheads, as Buffett fans are known, and Dol-fans.

"You got the Keys, Jimmy Buffett and LandShark Beer. What could be better?" a fan said.

Buffett promoted the new alliance with new lyrics rewritten for Dolphins fans.

The financial terms of the stadium's renaming have not been released. The deal was struck only for this coming football season so far, so there is no guarantee that the stadium will still be called LandShark for the Super Bowl.

Copyright 2009 by Post-Newsweek Stations. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

en1044

May 21st, 2009, 04:20 AM

Worst
Name
Ever

Ganis

May 21st, 2009, 06:21 AM

LOVE IT!

salaverryo

May 21st, 2009, 07:27 PM

So it's "Landshark Stadium" now, huh? Let's see: first it was called Joe Robbie Stadium, then it became Pro Player Stadium, after that Dolphins Stadium, and now it is Land... WTF is a "landshark", anyway?

soup or man

May 21st, 2009, 08:14 PM

^ A shark that walks on land. What else did you think it was?

http://www.me-thinks.com/pix/shark.jpg

salaverryo

May 21st, 2009, 08:21 PM

It had to be a pothead like Jimmy Buffett to come up with such a ridiculous name... :ohno:

Ganis

May 22nd, 2009, 09:22 AM

that beer is sooo good though

jean1991

May 23rd, 2009, 06:02 AM

nyrmetros

May 24th, 2009, 01:06 AM

anyone have a pic of a soccer game being played at Joe Robbie?

hoosier

May 25th, 2009, 05:37 AM

^ A shark that walks on land. What else did you think it was?

http://www.me-thinks.com/pix/shark.jpg

LOL!!!!:lol::lol:

Ganis

May 25th, 2009, 09:47 PM

anyone have a pic of a soccer game being played at Joe Robbie?

Joe Robbie?

you really hate calling things by their new names dont you?

nyrmetros

May 25th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Joe Robbie?

you really hate calling things by their new names dont you?

Quite frankly..... yes. Why should we all crumble and shale at the hands of the corporations? We can't control what they want to call a stadium, but I can control what I call it.

Ganis

May 25th, 2009, 10:02 PM

but it has not been Joe Roddie stadium in a long time.

JYDA

May 26th, 2009, 05:23 AM

^ A shark that walks on land. What else did you think it was?

http://www.me-thinks.com/pix/shark.jpg

Nh5Lh-tTSZQ

TexasBoi

May 28th, 2009, 02:27 AM

LMAO:lol::lol::lol: I still call it JoeRobbie Stadium though as well as most Miamians. But that is hilarious.

Comfortably Numb

May 28th, 2009, 02:39 AM

Typical crowd for a Marlins game:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/gennaro_filice/09/14/fiveup.fivedown/t1_dolphinstadium.jpg

:nuts::nuts:

PS: It's not really typical, but this was an actual crowd last year.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

(but true)

I can't believe us taxpayers here in South FL are having to fork out for a new Marlins stadium --- this is BS!

jean1991

May 28th, 2009, 06:23 PM

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

(but true)

I can't believe us taxpayers here in South FL are having to fork out for a new Marlins stadium --- this is BS!

What happens is that Joe Robbie is to far away from Miami, and with 81 home games a year, people dont see the necesity to drive so much to se a ball game. The new stadium will be near downtown, where the Orange Bowl used to be, so more people will come to the game.

nyrmetros

May 28th, 2009, 11:47 PM

in theory more people will come. But will the Marlins average 20, 000 a night after the first 5 years of the new stadium ?

salaverryo

June 2nd, 2009, 08:04 PM

^^It depends on how well they play, and how many games they win.

Jim856796

November 22nd, 2009, 09:07 PM

They say that after the 2010 Super Bowl, the stadium may possibly be replaced by another corporate sponsor. The stadium has has too many name changes, and we do not want another one. I am already opposed to the cuttent name. It needs to be either Joe Robbie Stadium, Dolphin(s) Stadium, or Orange Bowl II (to respect the memory of the original Orange Bowl Stadium). Naming Rights to corporate sponsors are not acceptable and should be banned from this stadium.

1772

November 23rd, 2009, 11:58 AM

^ A shark that walks on land. What else did you think it was?

http://www.me-thinks.com/pix/shark.jpg

This is still funny, everytime I see it.
I love the expression on the "landsharks" face. :lol:

Btw, I think they should demolish it and build a new one by Biscayne Bay.

Jim856796

November 23rd, 2009, 10:34 PM

1772

November 25th, 2009, 09:59 AM

^^Grrrrr... Sir, don't even think about demolishing Joe Robie Stadium, especally for a new sporting facility in Biscayne Bay. It's way too modern and fit for the 21st Century for demolition.

Sometime ago a proposal surfaced for a retractable roof to be added to the stadium. That job is impossible.

Sure, Joe Robie is a nice stadium and all, but seriously, in the middle of nowhere. And it's getting older and older...

I mean, look at AA Arena. Image that, times 10. Downtown folk could walk to the stadium and watch football.

And Super Bowl... Imagine the SB in the middle of freakin Miami! :banana:

MicroX

December 28th, 2009, 08:06 PM

I haven't gone to this stadium in years. Last time I went was a Dolphins game against the Chargers (which Dolphins won 30-3).

I grew up calling the stadium Pro Player (though my parents were used to Joe Robbie Stadium). Anyway, I hate it being renamed every other year. Seriously, LandShark?? I agree with those that this stadium should be reverted back to something like Joe Robbie or Dolphin Stadium.

danVan

January 7th, 2010, 04:31 AM

aaaaaaand, new name is..............Dolphin Stadium:D
http://cbs4.com/local/dolphin.stadium.naming.2.1408305.html

nomarandlee

January 8th, 2010, 02:18 AM

I thought there was a thread having to do with Dolphins / Landshark Stadium but I can't seem to find it.

http://www.miamiherald.com/101/story/1414408.html

Dolphins unveil designs for stadium makeover
With a square roof and an open center, a new Miami Dolphins stadium could help lure more Super Bowls to South Florida. Should the public pay for the construction effort? The team would like an answer

BY DOUGLAS HANKS
dhanks@MiamiHerald.com

The Miami Dolphins proposed an extensive retrofit of the team's stadium on Thursday -- including a partial roof -- and invited a debate on whether the public should pay for the renovation.

Without the new 621,000-square-foot roof and other modifications, the Super Bowl may not return to South Florida after its played at the stadium Feb. 7, Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said at a press event. He declined to estimate how much the retrofit would cost or commit the team to paying for any of it. Two local Super Bowl organizers earlier put the price at between $200 million and $250 million.

The presentation set the stage for the stadium to pursue public dollars as local and state leaders grapple with grim budget shortfalls. But even after Thursday's presentation, it was unknown what exactly the Dolphins wanted in terms of public financing.

Dee said the Dolphins do not need the stadium improvements for regular season games, and that it was up to local Super Bowl organizers to decide if the renovations are worth pursuing. Rodney Barreto, chairman of South Florida's Super Bowl Host Committee, declined to say which public funds he might pursue.

Dee and Barreto tied the renovation with the economic windfalls that come with Super Bowls and other large stadium events, including Orange Bowl and World Cup soccer.

``This is Corporate America at its best. They're going to be here wining and dining,'' Barreto said of Super Bowl's deep-pocketed visitors. ``The worst thing we can do as a community is to say -- and I hear this often -- `Don't worry. It's coming again.'''

Dee said the team has not calculated how much the construction would cost. He also said he had no suggestion for where to find public dollars for the renovation, saying the team ``would leave no rock unturned'' in searching for a way to get the work done.

Asked if the Dolphins would invest in the effort, Dee said it was too early to say. But he noted previous owner Wayne Huizenga had spent about $250 million in recent years on renovations to the privately owned stadium -- work that current owner Stephen Ross paid for in buying the team.

``We're talking about Phase Two'' of the renovation Huizenga began, Dee said.

Tourism officials oppose using hotel taxes to fund stadium improvements at the expense of local convention centers. Miami-Dade commissioners last year pledged hotel taxes to more than $300 million in debt for a new Florida Marlins baseball stadium.

The plans Dee unveiled would bring the biggest change to the Dolphins home field since it opened as Joe Robbie Stadium in 1987. Four spar-like pylons would jut from the stadium corners to support the square roof, resembling bridge spans from the highway as spectators approached Dolphin Stadium.

The roof itself would allow natural light and rain in through the open center, but would cover all 75,000 seats. That would prevent the sort debacle that still makes organizers wince: the 2007 deluge that soaked spectators at the 2007 Super Bowl championship at the stadium.

Along with new stadium lights, the Dolphins would add about 3,000 seats in the lower bowl -- filling up the space by the sidelines needed to accommodate a baseball field when the Marlins moved in 17 years ago.

....

Dexter Morgan

January 8th, 2010, 02:39 AM

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/files/2010/01/stadium800.jpg

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2010-01/51502553.jpg

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2010-01/51502497.jpg

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2010-01/51502607.jpg

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2010-01/51502605.jpg

miguelon

January 8th, 2010, 03:30 AM

San Siro???? nice renders, but with the video screens in the corners, seems that a lot of seats will be lost, at least some 4,000.

en1044

January 8th, 2010, 09:20 AM

San Siro???? nice renders, but with the video screens in the corners, seems that a lot of seats will be lost, at least some 4,000.

Yeah but it said they are adding 3,000 seats to the lower bowl, so all works out.

en1044

January 8th, 2010, 09:22 AM

Miami seems to now be a lock to host matches should the US get a World Cup.

Dexter Morgan

January 8th, 2010, 09:25 AM

Yeah, plenty of room for more seats, no need for all that room now that the baseball won't be played there.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2303/1806270249_1c59d77b03.jpg

pamirez

January 8th, 2010, 11:03 AM

nice renders. This could also be a great soccer stadium :)

nomarandlee

January 8th, 2010, 04:43 PM

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtmNyBJMQMsGJNshC8sL_9RPfgM6?slug=capress-fbn_dolphins_stadium-073665926&prov=capress&type=lgns

Improvements for Dolphins Stadium include massive ‘umbrella,’ plans have not been ‘priced out’
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
13 hours, 47 minutes ago

MIAMI GARDENS, Fla. - A massive 621,000 square-foot "umbrella" that would shield fans from rain is the centrepiece of a proposal unveiled Thursday to upgrade the Miami Dolphins' home for future Super Bowls.

No price tag was put on the open-air covering or other improvements for Dolphin Stadium. Also left unaddressed was the question of who would pay for it, as officials explore various options to have public funds underwrite at least part of the bill.

"This is not a plan that has been priced out," Dolphins CEO Mike Dee told a South Florida Super Bowl Host subcommittee appointed to review the proposal. "We're not at a point where we've figured out financing or figured out how to make it work. But we want to leave no stone unturned to see how we can work it out."

NFL owners will vote in May on the 2014 Super Bowl host, as South Florida competes against Phoenix, Tampa and a new Meadowlands facility near completion for the New York Giants and Jets.

"I know there are other cities ready; they're up and running," host committee chairman Rodney Barreto said. "If we walk in there and say we're kind of yes, kind of no - we're going to fall to the bottom of the line."

Funding could be sought from the state, or various combinations of city and multi-county funds. With many events also taking place in the Fort Lauderdale area, Broward County also receives a significant slice of the game's economic impact.

It could be a difficult sales pitch, though, in tough economic times with an electorate that historically has turned thumbs-down to stadium tax initiatives. Dolphins owner Stephen Ross and former owner H. Wayne Huizenga privately footed the bill for some $250 million in improvements to land next month's game.

"This doesn't make money for the Dolphins," said committee member Dick Anderson, the Dolphins' Hall of Fame safety and former host committee chair. "People need to realize it's in the community's interest to have major sports events in South Florida."

Dolphin Stadium's proposed roof would be a steel-and-metal suspension structure built over the seating area and concourses, leaving the playing field still exposed to the elements.

"We need to look at this less like a roof and more like an umbrella," Dee said. "It's going to let a lot of light through. It won't be a dark facility."

Seattle's Safeco Field has a similar concept, and Dee noted the proposed design has been used for a handful of European soccer stadiums.

The proposal is in response to suggestions from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell that the 23-year-old facility - known as Land Shark Stadium until a sponsorship deal expired Wednesday - needs upgrades to stay competitive in bidding for future Super Bowls.

South Florida will host the Super Bowl for a record 10th time on Feb. 7, its fifth visit to Dolphin Stadium. The game's last venture to the region, though, left folks all wet three years ago.

Torrential rain pelted the stadium area not long before kickoff, leaving fans who paid an average price of US$800 scrambling for shelter. TV cameras showed large sections of empty seats that evening.

Dallas will stage next year's Super Bowl in its new $1 billion Cowboys Stadium, now completing its first season. Indianapolis, which also opened retractable-roof Lucas Oil Stadium this year, follows in 2012.

..

Christopher26

January 8th, 2010, 04:53 PM

Home of the superbowl this year

nomarandlee

January 8th, 2010, 06:40 PM

Teal seats would be an improvement over the orange but I think they should stay away from the pastels.

massp88

January 8th, 2010, 07:00 PM

While this really is not necessary and the taxpayers of South Florida should not have to fund this, this would be a very unique stadium for the US. There aren't any stadium with a European style covering for the stands, while not having a retractable roof.

Huskies

January 8th, 2010, 07:01 PM

as of right now , isnt Qwest Field the only stadium in america with a partially covering roof ? so dolphin stadium would only be the second right ?

massp88

January 8th, 2010, 09:05 PM

as of right now , isnt Qwest Field the only stadium in america with a partially covering roof ? so dolphin stadium would only be the second right ?

Qwest is not like the proposal for Dolphin, as all stands will be completely covered. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the main purpose of the roof at Qwest for noise amplification?

GunnerJacket

January 8th, 2010, 09:30 PM

Qwest is not like the proposal for Dolphin, as all stands will be completely covered. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the main purpose of the roof at Qwest for noise amplification?It's largely for protection from the elements, as Seattle is known for frequent, though comparably mild, rain and wind. It's also a structural item in balancing and tightening the upper tier at it's anchor points. Sound amplification was a factor, but hardly the primary reason. Especially considering the cost.

Jim856796

January 10th, 2010, 01:36 AM

The 44th Super Bowl should be the last time a Super Bowl is held at Dolphin Stadium in its current appearance. After this year, they're going to go ahead with these renovations. A new roof covering the stands (I thought they were going to add a retractable roof to this facility, but I guess what they recently proposed is better), new video screens at each of the corners, (apparently) new escalators between all four of the dual entrance towers, the addition of a few rows of seating to the stadium, this is liable to be one of the best American Football venues in the US. And it would make a great soccer venue as well.

ryebreadraz

January 10th, 2010, 02:54 AM

soup or man

January 20th, 2010, 11:40 PM

So after the Super Bowl, this stadium will be renamed (AGAIN) to Sun Life Stadium.

gavstar00

January 21st, 2010, 12:01 AM

So after the Super Bowl, this stadium will be renamed (AGAIN) to Sun Life Stadium.

Joe Robbie Stadium (1987–1996)
Pro Player Park (1996)
Pro Player Stadium (1996–2005)
Dolphins Stadium (2005-2006)
Land Shark Stadium (2009–2010)[1]
Dolphin Stadium (2006–2009; 2010)
Sun Life Stadium (2010-present)[2]

You know they say it's bad luck to rename a boat - I wonder is the same true of stadiums :lol:

vij

January 21st, 2010, 12:42 AM

just call it "dan marino stadium" and call it a day.

Sea Toby

January 21st, 2010, 11:27 PM

Joe Robbie used to own the bulk of the Dolphins NFL franchise, the reason why this stadium in the beginning was named after him. When this stadium was built one of the part owners along with Joe Robbie was George Gillett, a person Liverpool may be familiar with currently....

There is a bit of controversy with naming rights for stadiums throughout the world really. The Liverpool FC hopes to generate 240 million pounds for the naming rights to their new stadium. Again, the funds won't be allocated up front, but over a period of years.

Many fans of the Liverpool FC are too concerned with debt. In their minds any debt servicing, those interest rates, subtract from transfer funds. Nevermind the new stadium will generate twice as much revenue each year.

And as can be noticed with many naming rights to stadiums, after the naming rights period of time is over, naming rights can be sold again. Notice this has already happened with what once was Joe Robbie Stadium.

If soccer, football to the rest of the world, can sell the name on the front of their shirts, they will most likely sell the name of their stadiums. There once was a time when the name on the front of the jersey meant a whole lot more than the name on the back.

Using Liverpool's example, 240 million now to help finance the stadium over a period of years, and then later another 240 million selling the name again 20 years from now will eventually pay off the long term loan completely. Similar to the new shirt sponsorship with Standard Charters Bank replacing the shirt sponsorship of the beer company... Liverpool shirts went from a 10 million sponsorship to a 80 million sponsorship.

1772

January 22nd, 2010, 01:13 PM

UEFA are increasingly hammering down on clubs with debt, so I think the Liverpool stance is quite healthy.

vaybee

January 23rd, 2010, 12:23 AM

nice stadium

Jim856796

January 24th, 2010, 12:45 AM

The name of this stadium had been renamed "Sun Life Stadium" as of Januarty 2010. The deal will last for five years. However, we will refuse to recognise any corporate sponsored anmed the Dolphins Stadium might have. This is the third corporate sponsor anme the stadium will have. Someday, the stadium will have had too many name changes and may permanently revert to the Dolphin Stadium name or some other non-corporate sponsor name. I don't even trust corporate sponsors, they always want to change our stadium's names too much.

The name of the stadium should have been "The Joe Robbie/Pro Player/LandShark/Sun Life Dolphins Stadium".

KingmanIII

January 24th, 2010, 08:23 AM

I don't think the renovation photos have been posted yet:

http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10950.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10951.jpg

en1044

January 24th, 2010, 12:26 PM

I don't think the renovation photos have been posted yet:

Already on page 3

weava

January 24th, 2010, 08:52 PM

I don't think the renovation photos have been posted yet:

http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10950.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10951.jpg

thats terrible, whats wrong with just remodleing the lower deck to remove the baseball elements. I see no need for a roof over a freaking football stadium in a city with nice weather

rantanamo

January 25th, 2010, 04:45 AM

thats terrible, whats wrong with just remodleing the lower deck to remove the baseball elements. I see no need for a roof over a freaking football stadium in a city with nice weather

Reading their release, they would remove the baseball elements but retain a good field width. They're probably adding a roof for

a.) Wanting to win another Superbowl bid after it rained on their previous Superbowl

b.) The World Cup. Expect some other roofs from those that are chosen and don't have roofs, though there would be very few.

jean1991

January 25th, 2010, 04:46 AM

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense does it? Maybe because of the sun, i guess...The 4 screens in each corner don't make sense either, I think 2 screens in opposites corner should do.

Bobby3

January 25th, 2010, 05:09 AM

thats terrible, whats wrong with just remodleing the lower deck to remove the baseball elements. I see no need for a roof over a freaking football stadium in a city with nice weather

Warm weather? Yes.

Dry weather? Couldn't be more wrong. Miami is one of America's rainiest cities, and it's even rainier just north of Miami where the stadium is located.

Nine of the top 10 cities for thunderstorms in America are in Florida (the other's metro spills into Florida), Miami-Ft. Lauderdale is a top 10 city for tropical storm and hurricane landfall, and the state is number one for lightning strikes.

But, I'm sure there are other things about it you can hate.

RaiderATO

January 25th, 2010, 10:24 AM

rantanamo

January 25th, 2010, 12:55 PM

I've seen it come up plenty of times in the stadium threads, but I'd like to know a definitive answer and I have no idea of where to start looking. . . .

For the World Cup apparently a certain # of seats need to be "covered". Are luxury/press boxes/suites etc. sufficient? I'm assuming since most of the "US can't host a WC in most of their stadiums" crowd aren't from the states that they don't realize the amount of covered space our FB stadiums have (even college stadiums). I just don't know a definitive answer.

And for rantanamo: If not for the above, why would you expect US stadiums to get roofs for the WC?

If you go to the FIFA website, they put out a .pdf once in a while with their World Cup guidlines and recommendations

http://www.fifa.com/mm/51/54/02/football_stadiums_technical_recommendations_and_requirements_en_8211.pdf

I actually agree with you and don't think many of our international friends understand. Read different parts of that document. Not many requirements. Lots of recommendations. Things like lighting, press and VIP under a roof, field dimensions(This is a ridiculous excuse. Nations can spend billions on new stadiums and renovations but a NFL owner can knock out a few rows and grow some grass?) are givens. Any NFL stadium has more than 150 press spots in their press box. Any NFL stadium has more than 50 suites. Any NFL stadium far exceeds lighting, parking, locker room and communication recommendations right now.

So that leaves you in a big tie. Now its up to fluff. Who can control the weather? Who has lots of hotels. Who can cover all or most spectators. Who has even more club seats, suites, lounge areas for more international celebrities.

I would expect Miami, DC, San Diego(likely a new stadium by 2022) and even the new Giants Stadium to go roof by then. Philly maybe. The Rose Bowl has been looking at all kinds of renovations. I would imagine it happens before then with a small roof. Not just because of the World Cup, but because everytime a new retractable roof wonder opens, it becomes harder and harder for those without to land Superbowls.

massp88

January 25th, 2010, 06:59 PM

Reading their release, they would remove the baseball elements but retain a good field width. They're probably adding a roof for

a.) Wanting to win another Superbowl bid after it rained on their previous Superbowl

b.) The World Cup. Expect some other roofs from those that are chosen and don't have roofs, though there would be very few.

Miami will continue to win SBs regardless of it they put a roof on.

rantanamo

January 25th, 2010, 07:21 PM

Miami will continue to win SBs regardless of it they put a roof on.

Miami has been part of a tighter group of stadiums that aren't part of the equation anymore. That's why they are proposing the roof in the first place. Remember, it rained on Peyton last time he was in the Superbowl. New commish, new gen of stadiums open and ready to host. No gurantees. Just as I said, its about keeping up with the competition. Not to mention competition in town with the new Marlins Stadiums as well. Remember it will have a roof, making it capable of hosting events a roofless Landshark or whatever its name will be cannot.

weava

January 26th, 2010, 01:00 AM

Not to mention competition in town with the new Marlins Stadiums as well. Remember it will have a roof, making it capable of hosting events a roofless Landshark or whatever its name will be cannot.

Marlins Stadium is to small for football, and not large enough for a final four so its irrelevent.

How many seats will the screens remove from the capacity. I know they already tarp off those corners for Hurricanes games, but why reduce the capacity for the NFL and bowl games? They already have new and huge video board above each endzone.

If anything the lowering of the capacity might hurt thier chances for future superbowls.

Bobby3

January 26th, 2010, 01:35 AM

Because the Dolphins don't need that many seats. The stadium is privately held (unlike most NFL stadiums) meaning the Dolphins have to pay some bills, and more seats = more upkeep.

You realize that the stadiums will compete for more events than that, right? Football fans might "want to be part of the experience in the rain" (people who say this have never been outside in a tropical storm) but concert goers don't, at all.

massp88

January 26th, 2010, 07:30 PM

Miami has been part of a tighter group of stadiums that aren't part of the equation anymore. That's why they are proposing the roof in the first place. Remember, it rained on Peyton last time he was in the Superbowl. New commish, new gen of stadiums open and ready to host. No gurantees. Just as I said, its about keeping up with the competition. Not to mention competition in town with the new Marlins Stadiums as well. Remember it will have a roof, making it capable of hosting events a roofless Landshark or whatever its name will be cannot.

Marlins Stadium is going to be the smallest, or one of the smallest venues in MLB. What big events will Dolphins Stadium lose out to it? Not the Final Four because the NCAA, correct me if I am wrong, has gone away from allowing baseball stadium from hosting it. The Marlins stadium won't host the Super Bowl, or the Orange Bowl. So what other major event is there for them to lose that host or have hosted?

By your statement, I assume you are talking about stadiums in Dallas, Houston and Glendale as the new gen stadiums. What other stadiums in warmer climates are capable of hosting?

Miami will not lose out on hosting, whether this roof gets put in or not.

Bobby3

January 27th, 2010, 05:42 AM

Concerts, ACC/SEC events.

rantanamo

January 27th, 2010, 12:45 PM

massp88

January 27th, 2010, 07:19 PM

bowls, concerts, dirt racing series, x-games, college baseball classics, regional conference basketball tourneys. It will have a complete roof so it can do some things that don't want to be completely outside, but need bigger than the American Airlines Arena.

Cities that have been bidding the last couple of years include, Arlington, Houston, Glendale, Atlanta, Indianapolis, East Rutherford, Tampa, Detroit, New Orleans, San Diego and Miami. Not to mention possible new LA, San Diego and San Francisco venues. Its the largest field of bidding cities ever and those cities have new or renovated buildings except for San Diego. Miami is afraid of not getting another Superbowl, as are all the other cities. The new Commish has shown no desire to start a rotation or any preference for warm weather cities. He thinks the Giants/Jets bid is a good idea, while the old commish hated and didn't want to reward Superbowls to even moderately cool climates like Atlanta.

You won't see the X-Games in South Florida. Also, I am pretty such plenty of dirt racing series host events in stadiums with no roofs.

The NFL is not going to regularly have SBs in cities like Detroit and Indianapolis. Why hasn't Tampa filed plans or made serious mention of needing a roof? The NFL will continue to include Miami in their rotation of host cities. Passing up Miami for cities such as Detroit and Indianapolis is not going to happen, roof or not.

I view these as the core SB hosting cities currently;

Miami
Tampa
Houston
New Orleans
Dallas
Glendale
San Diego
Los Angeles (when they get their stadium)

Possibilities:
Detroit
Indianapolis
Minneapolis
Atlanta
Jacksonville
St. Louis
San Francisco (if they get a new stadium)

All of the above possibilities only get mention because they have a dome, or are located is mild climates during the winter.

KingmanIII

January 28th, 2010, 07:48 AM

ryebreadraz

January 28th, 2010, 10:28 AM

I'd consider Orlando if the Citrus Bowl wasn't such a hole.

Too bad they ran out of money to fix it up.

Instead of spending $480M on a new arena, they should've renovated both the old one and the Citrus.

I'd also look at San Antonio or maybe even Charlotte.

No team, no Super Bowl and Charlotte is too cold to host.

rantanamo

January 28th, 2010, 01:29 PM

You won't see the X-Games in South Florida. Also, I am pretty such plenty of dirt racing series host events in stadiums with no roofs.

The NFL is not going to regularly have SBs in cities like Detroit and Indianapolis. Why hasn't Tampa filed plans or made serious mention of needing a roof? The NFL will continue to include Miami in their rotation of host cities. Passing up Miami for cities such as Detroit and Indianapolis is not going to happen, roof or not.

I view these as the core SB hosting cities currently;

Miami
Tampa
Houston
New Orleans
Dallas
Glendale
San Diego
Los Angeles (when they get their stadium)

Possibilities:
Detroit
Indianapolis
Minneapolis
Atlanta
Jacksonville
St. Louis
San Francisco (if they get a new stadium)

All of the above possibilities only get mention because they have a dome, or are located is mild climates during the winter.

I don't think you understand. There is no rotation anymore. New commish has said as much.

And if you haven't noticed:

- Houston seems to have been forgotten, though they keep trying
- Goddell stated in the article about New York bidding that he's not opposed to cold weather Super Bowls
- Indianapolis was already awarded the 2012 Superbowl
- That's a big list even in your core group. Much bigger than at any previous time.
- If Miami was so confident, they wouldn't have mentioned a roof at all two years ago. Now they have renderings? They know the league did not look favorably upon it raining on the last Superbowl there. Cold would have less of an effect on the game than precipitation.
- Dallas is NOT warm during Superbowl time. Its always possible it will be in the 20s and 30s on that day, and the biggest snowfalls have been in Late Jan/Early Feb, yet they were rewarded a Superbowl. See new commisioner.

massp88

January 28th, 2010, 07:09 PM

I don't think you understand. There is no rotation anymore. New commish has said as much.

And if you haven't noticed:

- Houston seems to have been forgotten, though they keep trying
- Goddell stated in the article about New York bidding that he's not opposed to cold weather Super Bowls
- Indianapolis was already awarded the 2012 Superbowl
- That's a big list even in your core group. Much bigger than at any previous time.
- If Miami was so confident, they wouldn't have mentioned a roof at all two years ago. Now they have renderings? They know the league did not look favorably upon it raining on the last Superbowl there. Cold would have less of an effect on the game than precipitation.
- Dallas is NOT warm during Superbowl time. Its always possible it will be in the 20s and 30s on that day, and the biggest snowfalls have been in Late Jan/Early Feb, yet they were rewarded a Superbowl. See new commisioner.

I should have clarified. I meant the rotation of cities that bid to host. Not that the NFL has the SB on a city by city rotation of who get to host.

The snow in Dallas point is irrelevant, they not have a retractable roof stadium so if it snows, it will not be a problem for the game.

Personally, I think it's great the Roger is not opposed to a cold weather game, I think every NFL city should have a chance to host the game.

Houston just hosted the game back on 2004. They will have their turn coming up. New Orleans is going to have waited 11 years between SBs. Miami has waited only 3 years between their SBs.

massp88

January 28th, 2010, 07:12 PM

Also, the fact that it rained back in 2007 was pure luck. I believe this was first Super Bowl to be played in inclement weather. So you are talking about 30 plus SBs that have been played outside with no bad weather.

jl1718

January 29th, 2010, 03:14 AM

The commish has said no Super Bowl for San Diego til they get a new stadium.

rantanamo

January 29th, 2010, 02:45 PM

KingmanIII

January 29th, 2010, 09:10 PM

No team, no Super Bowl and Charlotte is too cold to host.
Average daily high in Charlotte is about 50-55º in January.

Why wouldn't the NFL want to hold a Superbowl in what is virtually a giant amusement park? One reason: Stadium.

I'm 100% positive San Antonio could handle an NFL franchise. The Alamodome just needs some sprucing up.

Bobby3

January 29th, 2010, 09:17 PM

No team, no Super Bowl and Charlotte is too cold to host.

Actually, it's warm enough. Legally, but not theoretically. Charlotte's weather statistics are unreliable. It was 66 with blazing sun a few days back, and we'll have an ice storm tonight.

There are other conflicts though. Jacksonville took a lot of heat, and that didn't go unnoticed here. Don't expect Charlotte to ever bid.

Re: Tampa and a roof. Raymond James Stadium is a municipal venue, and not a particularly popular one to begin with. There's no way the people of Tampa would vote to put a roof on it when the Tropicana Dome -- however awful -- is next door in St. Pete and the housing market there is in chaos.

rantanamo

February 3rd, 2010, 03:42 PM

Interesting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aReB6pbT30Q8

massp88

February 3rd, 2010, 07:16 PM

Interesting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aReB6pbT30Q8

Indeed interesting. If the single motivating factor behind these millions in upgrades is to land the SB every 3 or 4 years, how are the taxpayers going to feel? Especially considering the new Marlins stadium.

GunnerJacket

February 3rd, 2010, 07:47 PM

Interesting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aReB6pbT30Q8
So long as local govts. keep bending over for the pro sports leagues and their owners, the leagues will keep demanding the money. Miami would take a minor hit in the national mindset if they're no longer as preeminent a destination, but the NFL should also realize they're no longer the holy grail in terms of drawing tourists.

rantanamo

February 4th, 2010, 12:53 PM

Who didn't see this coming. Statements have been coming out all decade from the NFL, not to mention new stadiums that are more of what they want are being built. There is huge business done at these events, and the NFL may not be the holy grail of drawing tourists, but they do draw huge numbers. Its no different than what many convention centers are doing. Yes there are multiple conventions, but most cities count on 1 or 2 that are the real big hitters, so they spend hundreds of millions to keep them. Dallas actually had to choose between the stadium and the convention politically and chose the convention center(I know it wasn't that simple, but there was a lot of pressure from their two largest conventions not to raise taxes for a stadium, vs raising them for a convention center hotel).

KingmanIII

February 4th, 2010, 06:37 PM

The stadium has been renamed Sun Life Stadium.

1772

February 5th, 2010, 10:43 AM

The stadium has been renamed Sun Life Stadium.

Yes, for this week atleast...

MicroX

February 8th, 2010, 09:40 PM

Yes, for this week atleast...

For the next 5 years.

1772

February 10th, 2010, 08:16 AM

For the next 5 years.

Didn't they say the same about the other names?

ryebreadraz

February 10th, 2010, 10:35 AM

Didn't they say the same about the other names?

I don't remember the past names, but LandShark was always a very short deal.

JJG

August 24th, 2010, 08:00 PM

ryebreadraz

August 24th, 2010, 09:29 PM

Seems a little unnecessary to me, but it's their money......:dunno:

It depends on whether you believe that the NFL won't be bringing any more Super Bowls to Miami without a roof. If you think it's a bluff, it's not necessary, but if you think it's serious then it's worth the money. Personally, I think they're being serious, but I'm not overly convinced. I could be swayed.

JJG

August 25th, 2010, 04:24 AM

It depends on whether you believe that the NFL won't be bringing any more Super Bowls to Miami without a roof. If you think it's a bluff, it's not necessary, but if you think it's serious then it's worth the money. Personally, I think they're being serious, but I'm not overly convinced. I could be swayed.

Why wouldn't the NFL have the Super Bowl in Miami anymore? It's like the game is in Florida at least twice every decade.
I mean, for the rest of the country, that would be fine, but I don't understand why there wouldn't be a Super Bowl in friggin' MIAMI......

Benn

August 25th, 2010, 04:59 AM

Because god forbid their high rollers get rained on.......

I actually really like the look of this renovation for some reason, it makes it look much more interesting and brings down the distance of the sidelines considerably, which are ridiculously wide at the moment.

JJG

August 25th, 2010, 06:24 AM

Sideline distance is fine if they wanna fix that. And if they wanna put a roof over it, fine.....

But do they have to get rid of some of those seats?

Benn

August 25th, 2010, 06:59 AM

I guess they want net capacity to stay about the same, and with additional lower level sideline seats they figured somethings gotta go. I like the look better with the corners pulled the videoboards there, but thats just me.

Darloeye

August 27th, 2010, 09:58 PM

slipperydog

August 27th, 2010, 10:18 PM

Its not that old a stadium really. Iam older than it how come you americans keep pulling down stadiums and arena when they are only 20years old. Its a waste of money but Iam liking the new redesigns to the stadium. how long would it take to refit it ?

They're not doing the renovation for no reason. There are two big reasons why this is being proposed:

1) The NFL has stated that the Super Bowl won't be going back to Miami unless the stadium is renovated (and that includes a roof)

2) A year and a half from now, it will become a football-only facility. Until now, it has hosted multiple sports and currently has a poor layout for football, so a renovation would bring the seats closer to the field and the field would be lowered.

Benn

August 28th, 2010, 12:41 AM

Its not that old a stadium really. Iam older than it how come you americans keep pulling down stadiums and arena when they are only 20years old. Its a waste of money but Iam liking the new redesigns to the stadium. how long would it take to refit it ?

Because we don't have a tiered system of pro sports, so cities off get pushed in to paying the bulk of the cost for a major team to give them higher profit margins at threat of leaving. Because an NFL team generates a lot of revenue for other local businesses and more the point is about as big a point of civic pride a city can have, threats of leaving for a different town that will pay for new facilities is a serious. Its a shit situation for everyone but the owners who make an absolute killing with very little risk involved, but those who have big ins with those who make the rules usually do pretty well. For instance my local team (the Minnesota Vikings) in the Bottom three in the league for revenue and our owner Zygi Wilf "only" made a $40 million profit from the team.

I don't mind the retrofit here is it mostly addresses serious issues with this facility, the sideline distances and the fact that it rains pretty much daily in Miami, which wouldn't bother me but a lot of people don't like getting rained on I guess.

eMKay

August 30th, 2010, 02:27 PM

Its not that old a stadium really. Iam older than it how come you americans keep pulling down stadiums and arena when they are only 20years old. Its a waste of money but Iam liking the new redesigns to the stadium. how long would it take to refit it ?

I can't think of any 20 year old stadiums that are being torn down. The only ones that have rumors of that are either poorly designed or in the wrong location. (FedEx, Tropicana field) This is a multipurpose stadium that is losing one of it's tenants, and since the Marlins are leaving it can be turned into a football stadium. It's being renovated not torn down.

KingmanIII

August 30th, 2010, 03:29 PM

Benn

August 30th, 2010, 08:14 PM

There have certainly been rumblings from the top down about various stadiums that are fairly recent, The Georgia Dome, Rangers Ballpark, Fedex Field have all had some discussions of replacement. All seem to have fixable problems, other than the complaint of Fedex being soulless and wrong.

Nothing tops the "old" Miami Arena which was built for the Heat and lasted only 11 years, thoroughly discraceful for a purpose built facility to last less than 30 years, this one barely a third of that.

Benn

August 30th, 2010, 08:15 PM

Darloeye

August 31st, 2010, 12:43 AM

Jim856796

August 31st, 2010, 01:02 AM

^^And the Delle Alpi Stadium in Turin was only 19 years old when it passed. Waste of a good stadium in a city that thinks it is too large for the stadium. Should have been built in a larger city.

JYDA

August 31st, 2010, 05:10 AM

^^And the Delle Alpi Stadium in Turin was only 19 years old when it passed. Waste of a good stadium in a city that thinks it is too large for the stadium. Should have been built in a larger city.

It wasn't that simple. It was horribly designed. A track stadium not capable of hosting track events, field not visible from the lower tier, and WAY too big of a capacity.

KingmanIII

August 31st, 2010, 06:54 AM

rantanamo

August 31st, 2010, 08:41 AM

I can't think of any 20 year old stadiums that are being torn down. The only ones that have rumors of that are either poorly designed or in the wrong location. (FedEx, Tropicana field) This is a multipurpose stadium that is losing one of it's tenants, and since the Marlins are leaving it can be turned into a football stadium. It's being renovated not torn down.

Arlington Stadium was about 23
Reunion Arena was about 23
Texas Stadium was about 39, but Jerry had designs on killing that place about 13-14 years ago.

you're right. Still young and I wouldn't count on their replacements lasting much longer. Too much trendy building in US professional sports unless the new venues somehow become endeared into the psyche of North Texas sports. That era likely sailed long ago outside of total financial collapse.

Jim856796

August 31st, 2010, 11:41 AM

^^The first two facilities listed were 29 at the time of their deaths.

eMKay

August 31st, 2010, 03:24 PM

^^The first two facilities listed were 29 at the time of their deaths.

And not suitable. The stadiums that replaced them will last a lot longer.

Luke80

August 31st, 2010, 04:48 PM

Darloeye

August 31st, 2010, 11:32 PM

How come fenway park and wrigley field are still around ?

Benn

September 1st, 2010, 12:07 AM

History, tradition and more importantly they are ballparks built/expanded to size that is still in line with league standard and were able to retofit in enough premium seating. Both have a fair number of suites added in under the upper level, and Fenway has club seats on the 200 and 300 levels behind the plate. They are also able to charge high ticket prices despite older fan facilities, I believe tickets at Fenway top out at around $400 a game, which is substantially higher than the league average for seats around home plate.

Baseball is probably the most conservative in this country and is big on history and tradition (it has lots of parallels with cricket), the NBA in contrast is about as big on its own history as Las Vegas. So the historical value of an older park is generally held in higher regard than in the other professional sports in this country.

Darloeye

September 1st, 2010, 02:04 AM

FYI I HATE CRICKET ! Its the worse "sport" in the world to play in a hour PE lession. plus the scoring system is weird the game takes way to long to play and CAN still end in a draw.

Benn

September 1st, 2010, 06:43 AM

Darloeye

September 1st, 2010, 09:51 PM

Getting a little off topic, but no argument from me on cricket being weird archiac and boring. Baseball I would say is to a substantially lesser degree, but I have many of the same complaints about both sports.

Yes sorry about that 3am uk time after few pubs :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :nuts:

Do like alot of sports but cricket and basketball are not for me. Maybe cos I played them school who knows :banana:

jay stew

September 2nd, 2010, 09:34 PM

Arlington Stadium was about 23
Reunion Arena was about 23
Texas Stadium was about 39, but Jerry had designs on killing that place about 13-14 years ago.

you're right. Still young and I wouldn't count on their replacements lasting much longer. Too much trendy building in US professional sports unless the new venues somehow become endeared into the psyche of North Texas sports. That era likely sailed long ago outside of total financial collapse.

Don't forget the Richfield Coliseum in Ohio which only lasted 20 years and the Charlotte Coliseum which lasted 19!

Luke80

September 3rd, 2010, 12:25 PM

Mr. Fitz

September 5th, 2010, 02:06 AM

It wasn't that simple. It was horribly designed. A track stadium not capable of hosting track events, field not visible from the lower tier, and WAY too big of a capacity.
Couldn't agree more, they had a 5000 attendance for a CL game once, enough said.

cmc

September 7th, 2010, 01:37 PM

I don't think the renovation photos have been posted yet:

http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10950.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10951.jpg

I guess if they do this renovation it's going to a be a first for the NFL because that roof gives it a EURO soccer vibe.

weava

September 8th, 2010, 12:50 AM

I guess if they do this renovation it's going to a be a first for the NFL because that roof gives it a EURO soccer vibe.

The four towers remind me of the alamodome and the 4 giant videoboards are extremely american so its still pretty american looking to me.

Jim856796

September 8th, 2010, 02:51 AM

I hope the space for the seating area won't be wasted by those new scoreboards. If so, the seating capacity of this stadium may be reduced.

Benn

September 8th, 2010, 03:23 AM

Because they are realigning the lower deck (if you look closely there are a bunch more rows on the sidelines in the render) the capacity would remain about the same. And given the NFL's blackout rules they may have been leary of increasing the capacity much past 75,000. Personally I think it looks a lot better, the separated upper portions gives some interest to it, and some nice openings to the concourse below the video boards. Although the change in seat color would help as much as anything with the aesthetics in my opnion.

Pelt

September 8th, 2010, 11:54 PM

I guess if they do this renovation it's going to a be a first for the NFL because that roof gives it a EURO soccer vibe.

I kinda thought the roofing to Paul Brown Stadium in Cincy had a Euro soccer look to it.

Benn

September 9th, 2010, 12:27 AM

rantanamo

September 9th, 2010, 04:29 AM

I guess if they do this renovation it's going to a be a first for the NFL because that roof gives it a EURO soccer vibe.

first what? Non-retractable roof over the seats? Qwest, Cleveland Stadium and Texas Stadium say hello. If you mean cable stayed? The Alamodome says hello.

GunnerJacket

September 9th, 2010, 04:39 AM

first what? Non-retractable roof over the seats? Qwest, Cleveland Stadium and Texas Stadium say hello. If you mean cable stayed? The Alamodome says hello.

Well to be fair Qwest and Cleveland Stadium don't feature intentional full covering as is required for UEFA events, while Texas Stadium is for all intents and purposes a dome. To wit, it's more correct to say they don't look like European stadiums but rather that some newer European stadiums resemble conventional US domes. Thus I think the poster was alluding to this being the first non-dome venue with full covering over all the seats. In which case I think he/she is right.

Edit: The original Texas Stadium would technically match that description, but appearance-wise the heavier roof and artificial turf worked against any European flavor. IMO, anyway.

Pelt

September 9th, 2010, 10:59 PM

I can't think of a single European stadium Paul Brown reminds me of, maybe reminiscent of some European architecture in general but not sports related. its a very crisp asymmetric modern design and asymmetry isn't real popular in Europe. Certainly one of the more unique designs out there, and one of my favorites.

Well, to be a little more specific, I compare the metal framework of the roof and the lighter material used to those of European stadiums. At the time when Paul Brown was completed, I felt the roof lent itself more to those stadiums, rather than any football stadium in the States.

rantanamo

September 10th, 2010, 09:10 AM

Well to be fair Qwest and Cleveland Stadium don't feature intentional full covering as is required for UEFA events, while Texas Stadium is for all intents and purposes a dome. To wit, it's more correct to say they don't look like European stadiums but rather that some newer European stadiums resemble conventional US domes. Thus I think the poster was alluding to this being the first non-dome venue with full covering over all the seats. In which case I think he/she is right.

Edit: The original Texas Stadium would technically match that description, but appearance-wise the heavier roof and artificial turf worked against any European flavor. IMO, anyway.

Texas Stadium was NOT a dome. The roof was a free standing structure that was not connected to the stands and was held up by its own truss structure. There was even a space between the roof and the top of the stands until Jerry added suites in to the top of the stands in the mid-90s. It went from a very outdoor feeling venue with a decent breeze at times to an ice/sweat box. Not a first.

GunnerJacket

September 10th, 2010, 05:45 PM

Texas Stadium was NOT a dome. The roof was a free standing structure that was not connected to the stands and was held up by its own truss structure. There was even a space between the roof and the top of the stands until Jerry added suites in to the top of the stands in the mid-90s. It went from a very outdoor feeling venue with a decent breeze at times to an ice/sweat box. Not a first.Not literally, obviously, but the nature of the roof was more in line with dome architecture than conventional covered stands in Europe. For one the roof extended over the field for it's own stability in connecting the steel, rather than simply stopping at the edge of the seating areas as is common in Europe. The roof was also an old-school singular form rather than a marriage of roofs from different stands. So as a design it was basically a dome with a hole in it rather than roofs designed just for the seating areas. That's what I'm saying by using the term "dome" in regards to the old Texas Stadium, and I'd say the homage used in the new stadium is a testament to that concept.

rantanamo

September 10th, 2010, 06:13 PM

Not literally, obviously, but the nature of the roof was more in line with dome architecture than conventional covered stands in Europe. For one the roof extended over the field for it's own stability in connecting the steel, rather than simply stopping at the edge of the seating areas as is common in Europe. The roof was also an old-school singular form rather than a marriage of roofs from different stands. So as a design it was basically a dome with a hole in it rather than roofs designed just for the seating areas. That's what I'm saying by using the term "dome" in regards to the old Texas Stadium, and I'd say the homage used in the new stadium is a testament to that concept.

You guys are really reaching if you're trying to say that Sun Life concept isn't a flat roof with a square cut out in the middle. Its support structure is as a whole, rather than supported from the outside and cantilevered over fans only. No different than Texas Stadium or say, Emirates or Stade de France except they are flat. These are all single piece roof structures with holes in them. This is different from say, Allianz Arena or Soccer City where the structure of the roof is hanging from and is supported by the structure of the stadium. Look at the renders. It even has truss structures. Just a different shape. Again, nothing First about it.

GunnerJacket

September 10th, 2010, 06:31 PM

No one is saying it's wholly unique, just that the idea of a stadium with a fixed roof over just the seats hasn't been readily employed in the US since the olden days of baseball and columns obstructing views. The typical US response was to instead go all they way and build the dome, or leave off the roof all together. And even by your metric this concept would still be the just the second such design among conventional US football stadia, correct? (The first being the original Texas Stadium.)

Whether it is or isn't first, however, the idea of a US pro-team stadium having a roof but not making it a full dome is still decidedly rare.

rantanamo

September 11th, 2010, 08:39 AM

It would only be the second because of certain factors that have to do with function of the sports hosted and not being in England.

1772

September 24th, 2010, 10:16 PM

When you thought you've seen it all; a LIV nightclub at Sun Life Stadium. :D

http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=18603665

1772

September 24th, 2010, 10:16 PM

When you thought you've seen it all; a LIV nightclub at Sun Life Stadium. :D

http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=18603665

jay stew

February 9th, 2011, 09:33 AM

WrestleMania 28 headed to Sun Life Stadium

By Jim Varsallone

Miami-Dade County has won the bid to host World Wrestling Entertainment’s super bowl WrestleMania 28 in the spring of 2012 at Sun Life Stadium, a week-long event which attracts fans from around the world.

In the three-year process, the area won the bid over other cities under consideration, such as Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York and Toronto.

At a Wednesday press conference in South Florida, officials will detail the weeklong list of activities planned culminating with the WWE WrestleMania 28 pay-per-view at Sun Life Stadium, home to the Miami Dolphins and five NFL Super Bowls. The stadium can seat more than 75,000.

Grammy Award Winner Emilio Estefan and other dignitaries are expected to be present during the press conference, as well as several poiiticians.

It will be the second WrestleMania in Florida and the third outdoors. In 2008, WrestleMania 24 was held at the outdoors Citrus Bowl in Orlando. That event set an attendance record for the stadium with 74,635 fans.

Last year, WrestleMania 26 set a University of Phoenix Stadium indoor attendance record, beating a U2 concert from 2009 by more than 20,000. Mania’s attendance was 72,219 with fans from 50 states and 26 countries - a common occurrence. The show grossed $5.8 million as well, becoming the highest grossing entertainment event ever at the stadium.

WrestleMania 26 also generated $45.1 million in economic impact for the greater Glendale/Phoenix area, according to a study conducted by the Enigma Research Corporation. The study said the show also garnered almost $5 million in local, state and county taxes. The economic impact derived from WrestleMania Week equated to the creation of 510 full-time jobs.

Those kinds of numbers are consistent to the host venue and area as WrestleMania Week is a financial gold mine, which is why many cities in North America bid annually for the extravaganza.

Miami had failed to lure the 2011 spectacular to South Florida, losing out to Atlanta. But WWE officials said the city was still on their radar when selecting the 2012 site because of its international ties, facilities, airports and experience hosting hundreds of other mega events.

Sun Life Stadium, home to the Miami Dolphins and five NFL Super Bowls, can seat more than 75,000; attendance records have been broken for venues servicing WrestleMania, a major international event televised to more than 100 countries.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/09/2057187/wrestlemania-28-headed-to-sun.html

1772

February 9th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Qewl!

will101

February 11th, 2011, 07:02 PM

dfwabel

February 12th, 2011, 11:07 AM

Just out of sheer curiosity, why did this get move to the "proposed" section? This building definitely exists, and there are several others in the "completed" section also discussing possible upgrades.

I think it was placed here due to roof which Steven Ross has proposed the Miami/Dade region to pay for.

That and the water park.

flashman

February 17th, 2011, 08:44 AM

Not quite an exact match, but the soccer vibe comment made me think of some European stadiums and it kind of matches what they did in Milan with the Giuseppe Meazza stadium:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoepn7qkMR3yOYQDhwT59pReRA4-9wokU1UAi7cBBl5-yRS6VArw

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4ajGLAOKomuCqhieicg37pxKAN0I6weJedrpV1_Nc-qAcAqfE4g

Or the Rhein Energie Stadium in Cologne, Germany:

http://rudsoccers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/1.Koeln-Rhein-Energie-Stadion1.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQX3xYxeUe1caNaBw66ZEtyEFmDXseN0ba9W4kURJ1QCbnFwkOL

Jericho-79

February 18th, 2011, 01:05 AM

Sun Life Stadium will host Wrestlemania XXVIII on April 1, 2012.

Congratulations to the city of Miami...err...Miami Gardens.:tongue2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestlemania_28

How much are you willing to bet that the name of this stadium will change yet again once Wrestlemania XXVIII rolls around in 2012?:lol:

Jim856796

February 18th, 2011, 01:09 AM

i think the Dolphins stadium name changes need to stop permanently.

shhyvoodoo

February 19th, 2011, 09:26 PM

When you thought you've seen it all; a LIV nightclub at Sun Life Stadium. :D

http://www.miamiherald.com/video/index.html?media_id=18603665

The Owner looks like the quintessential SLIM BALL also!!:lol::lol::lol:

The Game Is Up

August 5th, 2011, 12:50 AM

I guess the 75% of who went there for the World Football Challenge last night got their money's worth. They were expecting the reverse of what happened. LOL :lol:

zQQ7ZlZR0Z4

broncoempire

August 6th, 2011, 03:14 AM

I took in the Barcelona-Chivas game the other night; woefully inadequate sightlines from the endzone upper deck, horribly poor condition of the building's concrete structure, and for all the work they did to expand the club areas the other two levels have been neglected immensely. They could also stand to lose about 8,000-10,000 seats too that can be added later for a Super Bowl or the Orange Bowl. I admit I've flopped on this recently, but this building doesn't need a new roof and a rebuilt lower level, they need to build an entirely new stadium to address all the faults with this one. It may just be time to cut their losses and devote new funds to a new project altogether.

The Game Is Up

August 9th, 2011, 05:36 AM

Was the view similar to the one shown in this video?

JQRBjjsyIE0

I could see your point about the sightlines. They look to be pretty far from the action on the field. I don't know about the concrete since I need to get a closer look at it should I ever get there. Most videos I've checked so far were shot at the lower level, so I can't get a good read on the condition of the stadium. Were there cracks or openings? Seats that are too dirty? Concrete color too dark?

broncoempire

August 9th, 2011, 07:32 AM

That video articulates most of what I was talking about, except if you're further toward the corner, you could not even see the near side goal. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the overhang of the upper level to cover the club seats below is too large, which creates a poor sightline and obstructs views of all parts of the field. Another issue is the field is extra wide to accommodate both baseball and football, and does a poor job of doing so for both.

The seats are all still the originals installed for the opening in 1987 and are now chipped, badly faded, and in need of replacement. The concrete structure of the bowl is cracking, and could use a tremendous pressure washing as it looks like it hasn't been cleaned in years. The concourses don't look much better. The club level isn't bad but by modern standards the suites are tiny not all are in desirable locations.

I've been to Joe Robbie/Pro Player/Dolphin/LandShark/Sun Life dozens of times over the years and this is the first time I've ever truly looked at it as something which maybe needed replacement. The Dolphins, however, have proven themselves to be a cheap organization, both on and off the field. They're content to be a middle of the pack team playing crud football and boring the hell out of their fans for the better part of the last 15 years and it surprises me not a bit that they would adopt a similar attitude to the fan experience as well. The stadium renovations to the club level in the last five years supposedly cost in the neighborhood of $300 million, and I just wonder whether some of that money couldn't have been better spent elsewhere, whether it be on the rest of the facility, or a newer, more "modern" facility. There comes a point in every endeavor where it no longer makes sense to throw good money after bad- this may be such an example.

(Just don't expect the people of South Florida to have to pay for it though.)

Topher51

August 9th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Marckymarc

August 10th, 2011, 12:44 AM

I don't believe the stadium was originally built to accommodate baseball. As soon as the Marlins are gone, they can fix the field width problem. I am pretty sure that was part of the renovation proposal anyway.

Actually the stadium was originally built to accommodate baseball--that's why the stands are wider than ideal for football viewing.

Baseball exhibition games were played at Joe Robbie (in hopes of gaining support for an expansion or relocation team) in its first year of operation.

broncoempire

August 10th, 2011, 03:41 AM

Joe Robbie was one of the first of "new generation stadiums" built, so I am not surprised the sightlines in the upper deck are bad. Unfortunately, no one is going to build a new stadium just for that. Myself included in this group, the upper deck patrons just don't generate enough revenue to justify that.

I don't believe the stadium was originally built to accommodate baseball. As soon as the Marlins are gone, they can fix the field width problem. I am pretty sure that was part of the renovation proposal anyway.

All concrete cracks. That can't be helped. They can seal the cracks and clean the concrete at a relatively minimal expense.

The Georgia Dome looks 100x better after the renovation. I am sure Joe Robbie will as well.

Joe Robbie built the stadium with a field that was wider than normal so with minimal modifications, it would be easy to accommodate a baseball team as well. As a result, the first row from the field is something in the neighborhood of 90 feet away. It's not as bad as say the Coliseum in Oakland or Qualcomm in San Diego, but by modern standards its inadequate. The renovation proposal is akin to what was done in the Superdome, but even that idea won't remedy all the flaws. No one is expecting the sightlines in the cheap seats to be as great as they are in club seats or lower level, but shouldn't there be the expectation that you can see over the heads of everyone else and see all of the field without obstructions?

General maintenance for things like the concrete and the seating would do wonders except they don't even want to go that far. They've grown accustomed to mediocrity and their attitudes towards some of these things reflects that.

mrakbaseball

October 7th, 2011, 02:14 PM

Bringing joy to the lives of the less fortunate. :) A good deed, even if it was just for a few hours.

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nyrmetros

October 20th, 2011, 03:24 AM

I was just at the USA soccer game in Miami, and the stadium had fantastic sightlines for FIFA soccer. Shame the rain ruined the party. oh well.

Lumbergo

April 19th, 2012, 10:25 PM

http://catch-live.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/DSC03735-1024x768.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1srx6VVjs1rplmako1_1280.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/f/wysiwyg/image/2012/04/WM28%20photo.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/ep_full/public/ep/image/2012/04/20120416_LARGE_wm28_announcement_C.jpg

talk about obstructed views :lol:

koolio

April 19th, 2012, 10:47 PM

What sporting event is going on in those pictures?

JJG

April 19th, 2012, 11:08 PM

What sporting event is going on in those pictures?

Wrestlemania.

Correct term would be Sports Entertainment.

Boriska

April 19th, 2012, 11:11 PM

Oh my god.

When I was young, I saw Wrestlemania at Chicago :lol: I liked wrestling

Jericho-79

April 20th, 2012, 10:23 PM

Why is this thread in the "Proposed" section?

Darloeye

April 20th, 2012, 10:52 PM

Look back a few pages. Plans to redesign the stadium to host more soccer games and to cover the stands with a R_ _ _.

BoulderGrad

April 23rd, 2012, 11:20 AM

Look back a few pages. Plans to redesign the stadium to host more soccer games and to cover the stands with a R_ _ _.

ixnay on the oof-Rays....

Lumbergo

April 25th, 2012, 07:00 AM

a R_ _ _ would cost a fortune. and they won't be able to bring the stands closer by much without completely redesigning the end zones to allow for unobstructed views [like players heads]. they'd be better off just building a brand new stadium next door or somewhere else (I mean it is nearing it's 30 year anniversary....). not saying they need to it's a nice stadium BUT it may not be worth the money for what they are proposing.

JJG

April 25th, 2012, 04:50 PM

WesTexas

April 26th, 2012, 02:56 AM

I like it. I hope they do it.

krnboy1009

April 26th, 2012, 05:40 AM

When is it supposed to begin? the renovation. No SB un til the renovation me thinks.

JJG

April 26th, 2012, 06:19 AM

When is it supposed to begin? the renovation. No SB un til the renovation me thinks.

Yeah, Miami wont get another Super Bowl til something like this happens. But no one knows when they'll start... or even if THIS is the final design.

RaiderATO

April 27th, 2012, 03:57 AM

The lower bowl re-config is definitely happening, right?

BoulderGrad

April 28th, 2012, 07:30 PM

The lower bowl re-config is definitely happening, right?

Not necessarily. Need to find the money to do such things, which they dont currently have:

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2012/01/4803_dolphins_we_bui.html

Just proposed changes at this point.

RMB2007

April 28th, 2012, 07:57 PM

Shame the owner is so poor that he can't afford to pay for these changes out of his own pocket. Oh... ;)

renatorres2000

August 31st, 2012, 11:36 PM

preseason game vs Falcons
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/217809_352066018204905_2085116481_n.jpg

RMB2007

November 22nd, 2012, 10:39 PM

http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10950.jpg
http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/afc/images/dolphin10951.jpg

The latest:

Miami Dolphins CEO Mike Dee: Sun Life Stadium needs significant improvements, with or without public funding

South Florida has already been host to 10 Super Bowls, the most of any city in the NFL, and the Dolphins badly want to land Super Bowl 50, scheduled for February 2016.

The Dolphins are competing against just one other city for the game, but it is a daunting opponent – San Francisco, which hosted the game just once (1985) but has a brand new $1 billion stadium on the way, loaded with high-tech gadgets and other conveniences to enhance the fan experience. The game will be awarded next May, and the Dolphins are working feverishly on putting their Super Bowl plan together.

“You picture what our opponents may do, being in the technology hub of the United States,” Dolphins CEO Mike Dee said Wednesday. “We can’t treat it like any other Super Bowl, nor is it a right that we have to expect that we’re going to get it. We’ve got to have a game plan to commemorate this Super Bowl in a way that other bids haven’t included.”

But Dee said that Sun Life Stadium, built in 1987 and the oldest non-renovated stadium in the Super Bowl rotation, won’t suffice for much longer without significant upgrades – both for major events or for the Dolphins and Hurricanes, who play there regularly. Seventeen new stadiums have been built in the last 15 years, with new ones in San Francisco, Minnesota and Los Angeles on the way, and Super Bowls are now being awarded to non-traditional sites like Indianapolis and New York. College football’s championship game is also moving to a bid process.

“We’ve got a 25-year-old facility, and it clearly needs some tender loving care,” Dee said. “This facility, in its current form, is not going to serve the anchor tenants for the long-term. We’re going to be in a competitive environment with a lot of facilities that have been built in the last 10 years. Clearly, it’s something that’s going to have to be addressed at some point.”

Among the upgrades being discussed:

* Building a canopy over the seating bowl to protect fans from the sun and rain.

* Moving the seats closer to the field and improving sightlines now that the Marlins no longer are tenants.

* Installing high-definition lights for high-def TV broadcasts

* Updating the scoreboard system, which is now 10 years old.

“The reality is that most stadiums are either retractable or covered,” he said. “That’s just something that I think will put us in a much better position to not only compete for major events, but would put us in a much better position for fans who use the stadium on a regular basis, and have an environment that is protected for sun, wind and rain.”

But Dee said “it’s too early to tell” whether the Dolphins will aggressively pursue public funding for stadium upgrades or pay for them privately. The latest actions of the Marlins, who received $600 million in public funds for a new stadium but then traded away most of their high-priced players last week, likely won’t help the Dolphins get public funding.

“We’ve got to have a plan and we’ve got to have dialogue with the community to see if there’s an appetite for that (public money),” Dee said. “We’re going to put this (Super Bowl) bid in with the best stadium we can. If that means the stadium in its current form, so be it, but we’ve got more work to do on that front.”

One improvement to Sun Life Stadium that is already close to completion is the installation of high-density wireless internet throughout the stadium and parking lots, courtesy of AT&T. The stadium’s current wireless capabilities can’t handle 60,000-plus fans all using their cell phones and other wireless devices, but the Dolphins are currently installing the new wifi system, and hope to have it operable by the Dec. 16 home game against the Jaguars. It is unlikely that the Dolphins will have it ready by the Dec. 2 home game against New England.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/11/22/miami-dolphins-ceo-mike-dee-sun-life-stadium-needs-significant-improvements-with-or-without-public-funding/

Matheus Oliveira

November 23rd, 2012, 01:44 AM

A classic football/soccer stadium hahaha

Marckymarc

November 23rd, 2012, 02:05 AM

Miami Dolphins CEO Mike Dee:

“The reality is that most stadiums are either retractable or covered,” he said.

Baloney, Mr. Dee. 21 of the 31 NFL Stadiums have stands that are mostly uncovered.

will101

November 23rd, 2012, 01:25 PM

Baloney, Mr. Dee. 21 of the 31 NFL Stadiums have stands that are mostly uncovered.
He must be from northern Europe.

JJG

November 23rd, 2012, 05:18 PM

A classic football/soccer stadium hahaha

There's nothing "classic" about Sun Life Stadium...

eMKay

November 23rd, 2012, 10:02 PM

There's nothing "classic" about Sun Life Stadium...

I think this guy is a spammer building up his post count, pops into threads and posts random junk.

Cogan

November 23rd, 2012, 10:11 PM

I was surprised to learn that this stadium has slight obstructed views in the upper tier endzones. This picture from earlier in the thread illustrates it well:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2303/1806270249_1c59d77b03.jpg

After looking at this picture, I have a couple of questions regarding the proposed expansion:

1. It doesn't look like they could put in many rows along the sidelines where the fans will be able to to see over the players on the sidelines, so are they planning to lower the field to fit in more rows?

2. If they lower the field won't this cause greater obstructions for the aforementioned upper-tier endzone seats?

Archbishop

November 24th, 2012, 10:03 PM

Now getting obstructed view seats for the national championship game is a big fear of mine.

FloridaKnight

November 24th, 2012, 10:34 PM

Now getting obstructed view seats for the national championship game is a big fear of mine.

It's just a few feet of the back of the endzone, really. It won't be sitting behind a pillar like at MetLife Stadium.

eMKay

November 26th, 2012, 01:53 AM

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1790349/sprinklers.gif

Does this one work?

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SPRINKLERS.gif

JJG

November 26th, 2012, 05:48 PM

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1790349/sprinklers.gif

Does this one work?

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SPRINKLERS.gif

The Buffalo Wildwings Guys are at it again...

Bobdreamz

November 26th, 2012, 05:56 PM

^ That was hilarious yesterday! We were just trying to make the Seattle Seahawks feel at home with some artificial rain!

1772

November 28th, 2012, 11:37 PM

It just occured to me that at several occasions the Hurricanes had their game at Sunlife on a saturday and the Dolphins had theirs on a sunday; on the same weekend!

Isn't it standard protocol if two teams share a stadium that they have their away game the same weekend as the other have their home game?

Must be hell to have only one day to clean and redrape the stadium from Fins to Canes.

Lumbergo

November 30th, 2012, 01:37 AM

en1044

November 30th, 2012, 05:05 AM

the only way they could really bring the stands closer to the field is if they tore down one of the endzones and moved it back a bit with a rebuild and possibly even lower the field (which would be a challenge in and of itself considering the water table) as it is, the endzone stands are very close to to the field while the side lines are not. it would be very expensive to do a remodel like this but not impossible. probably still cheaper than a new stadium.

What if they took this approach?

The endzone seats would be a little higher off the field but it wouldn't be that bad. And it would save a lot of money.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/7646095.jpg

will101

November 30th, 2012, 06:59 PM

The Buffalo Wildwings Guys are at it again...
In another age this would have been an example of the sense of humor of the "Artesians".

will101

November 30th, 2012, 07:02 PM

What if they took this approach?

The endzone seats would be a little higher off the field but it wouldn't be that bad. And it would save a lot of money.
The problem with that is evidenced by the pic in message #189 above. The upper level end zone seats are already blocked from part of the end zone.

Matheus Oliveira

November 30th, 2012, 10:27 PM

I think this guy is a spammer building up his post count, pops into threads and posts random junk.

I was saying about the renovation project.

Lumbergo

November 30th, 2012, 10:58 PM

What if they took this approach?

The endzone seats would be a little higher off the field but it wouldn't be that bad. And it would save a lot of money.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/7646095.jpg

then the people on the sidelines wouldn't be able to see over the player's heads. if this were a soccer stadium it wouldn't be a problem... but it's not.

en1044

December 1st, 2012, 10:43 AM

then the people on the sidelines wouldn't be able to see over the player's heads. if this were a soccer stadium it wouldn't be a problem... but it's not.

Then lower the field accordingly.

Cogan

December 1st, 2012, 07:29 PM

Then lower the field accordingly.

But lowering the field will make the current obstructed views worse, which was the point of my original post.

Looking at the renders (especially next to the corner tunnel) it looks as thought they only plan to add about 5 rows max to the lower sidelines, so my guess is that they will just be adding the rows and not lowering the field.

the only way they could really bring the stands closer to the field is if they tore down one of the endzones and moved it back a bit with a rebuild and possibly even lower the field (which would be a challenge in and of itself considering the water table) as it is, the endzone stands are very close to to the field while the side lines are not. it would be very expensive to do a remodel like this but not impossible. probably still cheaper than a new stadium.

Yes, restructuring the entire endzone stands would be a major renovation and there is no mention of this in previous posts, so I would be surprised if they took that approach.

RaiderATO

December 1st, 2012, 09:13 PM

But lowering the field will make the current obstructed views worse, which was the point of my original post.

Who pays more money? The guy on the top row of the endzone? or the guy front row 50 yd line?

That should answer your question.

eMKay

December 2nd, 2012, 12:24 AM

It won't make that much of a difference to lower the field by 6 feet or so anyway.

LucianPopa1000

December 2nd, 2012, 11:27 AM

There is no real sollution .The angle of the upper tier is not that big,the people there already dont see the whole TD area,bringing the turf even lower means those same people woulndt see like a 1/4 of the field.Only real sollution is to demolish the upper tier and make it steeper.But this after u bring the sidelinescloser.If u add the costs of a roof,i dont't know if it is really worth it.

eMKay

December 3rd, 2012, 02:17 AM

will101

December 3rd, 2012, 05:50 AM

Maybe you should pay attention
That was unfair and unnecessary.

will101

December 3rd, 2012, 05:52 AM

Who pays more money? The guy on the top row of the endzone? or the guy front row 50 yd line?

That should answer your question.
When you are talking about a Super Bowl crowd, they are all bigwigs. So just lowering the field, and making the views from the upper end zone worse, virtually destroys this venue for Super Bowls.

en1044

December 3rd, 2012, 10:17 PM

Then couldn't you just remove the first few rows of the upper deck?

LucianPopa1000

December 3rd, 2012, 10:19 PM

Maybe you should pay attention

Maybe you should know more about stadiums than me before replying.Everything i said it's true. Considering i studied the section plan of this stadium i think i know what i'm talking about.

www.sercan.de

December 3rd, 2012, 10:23 PM

u have the section plan?

will101

December 3rd, 2012, 11:07 PM

Then couldn't you just remove the first few rows of the upper deck?
That would help a few people, but not those further back. Plus the capacity is now lower. I don't see any way to fix that place, short of a major ($100 million plus) rebuild.

LucianPopa1000

December 4th, 2012, 12:48 AM

u have the section plan?

Of course. I have almost any big stadium.Keep ya pants on:lol: I'll upload it tomorrow night.

eMKay

December 4th, 2012, 01:47 AM

Maybe you should know more about stadiums than me before replying.Everything i said it's true. Considering i studied the section plan of this stadium i think i know what i'm talking about.

I think I have that covered. I already said it won't make that much difference, and I am right. Deal with it and move on.

eMKay

December 4th, 2012, 01:51 AM

That was unfair and unnecessary.

Not really, he posted something that was already debunked, so he didn't even read the posts above, therefore he needs to pay more attention.

www.sercan.de

December 4th, 2012, 12:04 PM

Of course. I have almost any big stadium.Keep ya pants on:lol: I'll upload it tomorrow night.

upload them all. Not just 1 per day :D

LucianPopa1000

December 5th, 2012, 05:30 PM

upload them all. Not just 1 per day :D

It's in the Section plans thread.

Lumbergo

January 13th, 2013, 06:53 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/finsjesse/status/289891055623614465

announcement on Monday (tomorrow) via press conference concerning the future of dolphin stadium.

RMB2007

January 14th, 2013, 09:01 AM

delete

adeaide

January 14th, 2013, 06:39 PM

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2011/09/07/DVcgbe698-1.jpeg

http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/h/i/DolphinStadium.jpg

RMB2007

January 14th, 2013, 07:43 PM

Miami Dolphins worry Marlins stand between them and a tax-funded redo for Sun Life Stadium

The Miami Dolphins try again for public funding of a reported $400 million in stadium renovations. The Marlins won tax dollars for their park — but the Dolphins don’t want pointers.

The Miami Dolphins are reviving their failed bid to win tax dollars for a football stadium. But team executives want no comparisons to a successful bid to win tax dollars for a baseball stadium.

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has called a press conference for Monday to unveil a plan for an improved Sun Life Stadium. Sources say the plan will include asking state and local governments to help pay for a $400 million renovation of the 1987 facility.

State lawmakers in recent years rebuffed the Dolphins when the team asked for help on a less-expensive renovation. And while the economy and state finances are more favorable this time around, Dolphin executives see a bigger challenge now from lingering backlash against the $639 million ballpark taxpayers built for the Miami Marlins in order to move the baseball team from their old home in Sun Life. .

“It can’t be anything close to what the Marlins did,’’ said state Sen. Oscar Braynon, a Democrat whose Miami Gardens district includes Sun Life Stadium and who sponsored a 2011 bill to raise hotel taxes to fund the Dolphins renovation plan. “Unless you do something totally counter to what the Marlins did, nobody is going to vote for it.”

Both the Marlins and the Dolphins declined to comment for this story. The Dolphins have not released details of how they want to pay for the renovation, or what they want to do the stadium. But sources close to the team describe an extensive renovation of Sun Life, including adding a partial roof, a redesign of the seating configuration to improve views of the field, and shifting capacity from the low-priced seats in the upper deck to the more expensive seating closer to the sidelines. Without the space demands of a baseball field, the front row will move 18 feet closer to the field, according to a person briefed on the plans.

Polls showed Miami and Miami-Dade’s 2009 votes to build the baseball stadium with 75 percent public money were never popular. But the Marlins’ recent stripping of star players from their payroll has made the new Little Havana park Topic A when it comes to plotting a Dolphins’ victory for winning tax dollars themselves.

Dolphins executives plan to pursue two funding sources from state and local government, according to several people familiar with the team’s plans. For the first funding stream, the Dolphins plan to ask Miami-Dade to raise taxes charged mainland hotels from 6 percent to 7 percent and earmark the extra money for the stadium. The Dolphins also plan to ask Florida for an additional $2 million rebate on sales taxes on top of the $2 million the stadium already receives from the state each year under a special subsidy for professional sports teams.

Ross is expected to pledge a significant amount of the renovation money himself. Sources who have been briefed on the Dolphins’ proposal say the total pricetag for the project is $400 million. That’s almost double the renovation budget the Dolphins proposed when the team last went to the Legislature for money in 2011.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/14/3180861/dolphins-worry-marlins-stand-between.html

Darloeye

January 14th, 2013, 09:50 PM

Just asking but could the Dolphins move to LA ?

Can't see it myseft but just asking IF the money does not come.

Lumbergo

January 14th, 2013, 09:51 PM

lol, not a chance.

Lumbergo

January 14th, 2013, 09:52 PM

this was "revealed" today:

http://www.miamifirst.com/

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e2017c35c2319c970b-pi

pretty much the same proposal as a couple of years ago.

http://www.miamifirst.com/

irving1903

January 14th, 2013, 10:02 PM

What are the chances this helps boost any potential U.S World Cup bid ?

RMB2007

January 14th, 2013, 10:05 PM

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7783/tempbnflmezz12801024.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/tempbnflmezz12801024.jpg/)

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9761/tempcnflmezz12801024.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/tempcnflmezz12801024.jpg/)

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/304/tempanflmezz12801024.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/tempanflmezz12801024.jpg/)

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2481/tempdnflmezz12801024.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/tempdnflmezz12801024.jpg/)

bongo-anders

January 14th, 2013, 11:30 PM

Is that field suites behind the end zone.

GunnerJacket

January 15th, 2013, 03:28 PM

What are the chances this helps boost any potential U.S World Cup bid ?None, but only because the calibre of this venue doesn't effect the bid. At all. Miami is undoubtedly a desirable location and the renovated stadium would certainly be included, but there are so many options for a US bid that the impact of this proposal is non-existent.

Just asking but could the Dolphins move to LA?
While anything is possible this would be foolhardy for all parties involved and highly unlikely. Miami is a solid NFL market, the Dolphins a strong brand and the league can ill-afford losing any more of its storied franchises.

this was "revealed" today:

http://www.miamifirst.com/

pretty much the same proposal as a couple of years ago.
Hardly seems worth the fuss visually but most of the changes would obviously be behind the scenes. Much like most new NFL stadia. I also appreciate it's about all they can do with the existing venue without running sour in cost-effectiveness.

The roof should prove a nice touch and hopefully provide more shade than keeping heat in. It will definitely add some architectural character. I'm not sold on the field level party zones(?) along the sidelines. Sure when play is right in front of you that will be very cool, but when it's on the other side of the field, not so much. Feast or famine.

I'm surprised they're not going for another row of suites atop the second-tier of one sideline.

Pelt

January 15th, 2013, 04:16 PM

So it looks like the endzone seats will be kept at the same angle all the way through the corners? With the sideline seating being extended further out, it looks like those first few rows in the corners will have obstructed views. Why don't they extend the corner seating out with the sideline seating to fix that?

Cogan

January 15th, 2013, 06:20 PM

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/304/tempanflmezz12801024.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/442/tempanflmezz12801024.jpg/)

^^Bench seating?

RMB2007

January 15th, 2013, 07:49 PM

^^ Think it's more to do with a cheap renders, as the details on various sites mention adding new seats, rather than benches.

en1044

January 15th, 2013, 11:47 PM

It's certainly pretty. I like.

Matheus Oliveira

January 16th, 2013, 12:57 AM

this renovation project remind me San Siro and a lot of stadiums in Europe.

desertpunk

January 16th, 2013, 03:17 AM

A fly-through video of the proposed renovations:

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GunnerJacket

January 16th, 2013, 03:25 PM

That was arguably the weakest fly-thru I could imagine. Apart from the roof and the screens it doesn't do well at all to convey the renovations and their benefits. To say nothing of moving too quickly to appreciate the view and wasting some 15+ seconds on shots of the city or blank sky. Poor marketing, IMO.

wildthing121675

January 17th, 2013, 12:31 PM

This place was terrible for baseball but I would love to see the Dolphins stay where they are. All of the design concepts are very interesting. Some I have never seen before... should be interesting to see how all this plays out.

I always thought this was the WORST place for baseball- I mean- WORST place. A friend of mine went to a '97 World Series game and he greatly disliked it; said it was more suited for football only rather than baseball.

wildthing

JJG

January 17th, 2013, 04:39 PM

Bobdreamz

January 17th, 2013, 05:00 PM

GunnerJacket

January 17th, 2013, 06:51 PM

After the Marlins ballpark was built with taxpayer money I seriously doubt they will get any Government money to refurbish the stadium. Aren't the Miami Dolphins one of the wealthiest teams in the NFL?Based on last year's rankings by the likes of Forbes and others the Dolphins are just barely in the top half of the league with a valuation of about $1.1B. The problem is their revenue stream is below most everyone above them and the suspiscion is they could drop by comparison as other teams (Seattle) move up the list. So they're a cash poor team that wants to maintain their mystique and brand appeal before is suffers any further.

As to the Marlins comparion, that shouldn't reflect poorly on the Dolphins because it's not their fault the Marlins are an abysmal organization. I don't doubt it will be a factor in the voters' minds, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.

adeaide

January 17th, 2013, 08:01 PM

http://www.trbimg.com/img-50bcf34a/turbine/wsbt-discover-orange-bowl-vp-nd-vs-bama-could--001/600

http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/941/648/hi-res-153051923_crop_exact.jpg?w=650&h=440&q=75

http://a.espncdn.com/stadiums/ncf/stadium_2390.jpg

1772

January 17th, 2013, 08:27 PM

Just asking but could the Dolphins move to LA ?

Can't see it myseft but just asking IF the money does not come.

That would be typical LA to try and buy the only franschise with a perfect season.
Nope, they ain't taking our Fins.

What are the chances this helps boost any potential U.S World Cup bid ?

That depends how much money a US bid can pump up. After the selection of Russia in 2018 and QATAR in 2022 it's all about how much you can pay people off.

skobabe8

January 17th, 2013, 09:18 PM

That Hurricanes game looks depressing.

carnifex2005

January 17th, 2013, 09:42 PM

That Hurricanes game looks depressing.

Even when the Canes were very good the Orange Bowl rarely sold out unless it was a big game. Miami is a pretty small school with not a lot of alumni.

Lumbergo

January 17th, 2013, 09:46 PM

indeed. the only sell outs were usually against Florida State or U of Florida.

BigB1967

January 18th, 2013, 06:31 AM

Even when the Canes were very good the Orange Bowl rarely sold out unless it was a big game. Miami is a pretty small school with not a lot of alumni.

True, but..... I've got to think that the move out of the Orange Bowl has hurt attendance.

I don't have many regrets in life, but I regret never having seen a game in the old Orange Bowl. It may have been a dump, but it was a historic dump.

GunnerJacket

January 18th, 2013, 03:39 PM

That was a tough call for the University. The Orange Bowl itself needed repairs and renovations the program couldn't afford, and the neighborhood was considered a detriment to visitors. If they could've afforded the renovations themselves and then been able to host more events at the venue, spurring more redevelopment around the area, then maybe they could've stayed.

But Dolphins Stadium offered the chance to play in a much more modern venue without up-front costs, and under the vision where the Canes are indeed all of Miami's team Donna Shalala and company presumed it wouldn't hurt the attendance to play even further off campus. Looking back several bigger boosters have wished they could've fixed the OB into a nice 50-60k stadium, mostly by replacing the upper deck with a ring of suites and other renovations.

Perhaps if Dolphins Stadium gets these renovations, making it a better stadium for football of any kind, that could help the Canes draw, as well. But as has been said, the University is small and has struggled to advance the program without falling prey to idiocy of one kind or another.