Europeans don't want a single EU Team cos No one wants to play with the French.

back on topic.....what's the reaction in the USA to these soccer-specific stadiums?



Here in Kansas City, we got what I keep hearing people call the best soccer specific stadium in the country and honestly, it gets about as much coverage as minor league baseball. High school football is more popular than MLS amongst the general population. They have their niche fanbase but of the people that I actually know that have been to a MLS game, they aren't big sports fans in general and I think just go because its something unique to go to.

some 20000 - 30000 or so stadiums from worldstadiums.com

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/illinois/de_kalb_huskie1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/iowa/des_moines_drake.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/indiana/muncie_ball_state1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/michigan/mount_pleasant_kelly_shorts1.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/united_states/west_virginia/charleston_laidley.jpg

There's not a great deal of similarity between those and the SSS going up.


Now I appreciate college stadiums are probably built for maximum capacity at minimum cost, but do you think people will look at the stadiums above and wish if any new ones are built, they'd be more like a SSS, or would they want to carry on the "two slabs down either side" way of doing things as that's what an American stadium looks like?

Well, keep something in mind.....

American college football stadiums are typically built for expansion. That's why they don't look "complete" by non-American standards. You build what you need (typically the sidelines first or more), then expand later on depending on your average capacity and demand.


... then again, a few new college football stadiums are built differently, to more pro-level standards.

As for the SSS, they're building to expand as well, but since it's professional soccer, you see more bowls, boxes, and yes, even roofs.

The same would be me saying germany would trash the US when we would focus on american football, because we are the most successful sport nation in relation to our population. :banana::banana::banana:

I would give that title to the OZies.

Europeans don't want a single EU Team cos No one wants to play with the French.

europeans don't want a single EU team, because we compete each other in every type of sports. It would be boring without the rivalry.

nice! MLS attendance is really good. I also read that more americans watched the wc-game USA - Ghana and the final Spain - netherland than MLB- and NBA-finals. Is that true?
http://www.seattlemag.com/sites/seattlemag.advantagelabs.com/files/events/arts/seattle%20sounders.jpg

From the Houston Dynamo facebook page. Looking forward to grass next week. :banana:

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/423688_10150496926161150_20105631149_8968824_644438531_n.jpg

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426898_10150496926821150_20105631149_8968826_794271529_n.jpg

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http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430245_10150496928166150_20105631149_8968832_1346038595_n.jpg

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http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/398510_10150496932071150_20105631149_8968847_528660048_n.jpg

MLS attendance is really good. I also read that more americans watched the wc-game USA - Ghana and the final Spain - netherland than MLB- and NBA-finals. Is that true?


In answer to your query..

MLB Tv ratings for the 2010 WS were lower than the WC final in 2010.

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/06/13/nba-finals-ratings-game-6.ap/index.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- The Dallas Mavericks' clinching victory in the NBA finals earned the highest preliminary television rating for a Game 6 in 11 years.

The Mavericks' 105-95 win over the Miami Heat on Sunday on ABC drew a 15.0 overnight rating. That's the best for a Game 6 since 2000, when the Lakers clinched a title over the Pacers. There had been five series since that went at least six games.

The rating was up 35 percent from Game 6 of the 2006 finals between the same teams, when the Heat clinched a championship. It was up 22 percent from last year's Game 6, when the Lakers routed the Celtics to force Game 7.

It was the third-highest rating since ABC began televising the finals in 2003, behind last year's Game 7 (18.2) and Game 5 of the 2004 NBA finals (15.5 for Lakers-Pistons).

The game drew a 39.8 in Dallas and a 36.2 in Miami.

Ratings represent the percentage of all homes with televisions tuned into a program. Overnight ratings measure the country's largest markets.


http://www.nbcmiami.com/entertainment/television/NATL-In-Battle-for-Ratings-World-Cup-Keeps-Pace-With-NBA-Finals-96370589.html

The soccer revolution is being televised.

Saturday's World Cup match between the U.S. and England drew massive viewership numbers that beat the first four games of the NBA Finals.

The hotly anticipated match, which saw the U.S. achieve an unlikely draw against the European giants, attracted 13 million viewers on ABC and 4.1 million on Univision for a total of 17.1 million.

The battle for NBA supremacy between the Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers -- which is posting its highest number in six years -- drew 14.1 million, 15.7 million, 16 million and 16.4 million viewers respectively through the first four games.

Game 5 of the NBA championship restored order, however, posting 18.2 million.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/10/28/2011-world-series-game-6-averages-21-1-million-peaks-at-25-2-million/108886/

Last night, Game 6 of the 2011 Fall Classic was just that – a classic, and tens of millions of Americans watched the fireworks unfold on FOX as clutch hits and late-game home runs filled Missouri’s chilly autumn sky. The St. Louis Cardinals, on the brink and down to their final strike not once, but twice, came back and beat the Texas Rangers 10-9 in 11 innings to force a decisive Game 7 tonight. It is the first Game 7 in the World Series since 2002, a nine-year span unprecedented in baseball since adopting the best-of-seven format in 1922.

Game 6 posted a 12.7/21 fast national household rating/share with an average viewership of 21.1 million viewers, and is the highest-rated and most-watched World Series game since Game 6 of the 2009 World Series (13.4/22, 22.3 million), according to Nielsen Media Research. Ten World Series games have been played since then. It is also the highest-rated World Series game not involving the New York Yankees since Game 4 in 2005 (13.0/21), and is the most-watched World Series game sans the nationally popular Yankees and Boston Red Sox since Game 7 in 2002 (30.8 million)

europeans don't want a single EU team, because we compete each other in every type of sports. It would be boring without the rivalry.

nice! MLS attendance is really good. I also read that more americans watched the wc-game USA - Ghana and the final Spain - netherland than MLB- and NBA-finals. Is that true?
http://www.seattlemag.com/sites/seattlemag.advantagelabs.com/files/events/arts/seattle%20sounders.jpg

American Football is the only sport where you will really see fans watch no matter who is playing. It always gets good ratings.

The NBA and MLB struggle to pull in massive ratings during the playoffs because they last far too long and 7 game series should go away.

I agree...7-game series are way too long. I watch a small fraction of any NBA or MLB final series, and 7-game series that lead up to them. If either was a single game, I'd watch most or all of it.

From the Houston Dynamo facebook page. Looking forward to grass next week. :banana:

I'll be looking forward to seeing some seats. They going to spell out "Houston" or "Dynamo" in white seats?

I agree...7-game series are way too long. I watch a small fraction of any NBA or MLB final series, and 7-game series that lead up to them. If either was a single game, I'd watch most or all of it.

This is a big reason why the NFL playoffs are so popular. They are short and anything can happen in a single game. In recent years, there have been two 6 seeds make the Super Bowl, with Pittsburgh winning it one year.

With 7 game series, 99% of the time the better team wins. I love 7 game series though, especially in hockey. The tension in the building is so far and above anything in the regular season.

This is a big reason why the NFL playoffs are so popular. They are short and anything can happen in a single game. In recent years, there have been two 6 seeds make the Super Bowl, with Pittsburgh winning it one year.

With 7 game series, 99% of the time the better team wins. I love 7 game series though, especially in hockey. The tension in the building is so far and above anything in the regular season.

I guess the regular season with 82 games is too much. 30, 40 games should be enough to know which teams deserve to reach the playoff.

3. the most weight classes are hold from european boxers


Seriously, are you retarded? European boxers are completely unknown in America except for the Klitschkos.

I'll be looking forward to seeing some seats. They going to spell out "Houston" or "Dynamo" in white seats?

Do the football fans in the US know that the term "Dynamo" in connection with a football club was created in the old soviet days. Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kyiev, Dynamo Bucharest, Dynamo Dresden etc. are all clubs which had connection with the hated state security apparatus and are today the most hated in their countrys, because they were benefited from the "red" authorities.

Nothing wrong about it, but i find it kind of funny a "Dynamo" club in the heart of right-wing capitalism. Dynamo supporters are always crazy :banana::banana::banana:

Dynamo Dresden
http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/dynamo-20809957-mfb-quer-17694954/1,h=343.bild.jpg

Dynamo Kiev
http://de.colourbox.com/preview/2277886-342036-kiew-ukraine-16-oktober-2010-fc-dynamo-kiev-anhanger-zeigen-ihre-unterstutzung-wahrend-der-ukraine-meisterschaft-spiel-gegen-den-fc-karpaty-lviv-am-16-oktober-2010-in-kiew-ukraine.jpg

Dynamo Bucharest (still hardcore-communist)
http://www.stadionwelt-fans.de/fotos/fanfotos_fussball/rumaenien/dinamo_bukarest/saison20062007/liga_25/110.jpg

Dynamo Zagreb
http://www.photostation.org/files/shots/400/1-Dinamo_Zagreb-Hajduk_Split.jpg

Dynamo Berlin
http://www.br.de/themen/sport/inhalt/fussball/dynamo-berlin-kaiserslautern-hooligans100~_v-image512_-6a0b0d9618fb94fd9ee05a84a1099a13ec9d3321.jpg?version=1326099391153

Dynamo Moscow
http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/354772/354772,1279970388,4/stock-photo-moscow-april-spartak-moscow-soccer-team-fans-at-dynamo-stadium-april-in-moscow-57724366.jpg

Dynamo Houston
http://worldsoccerreader.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/TexianArmyTop.png

Seriously, are you retarded? European boxers are completely unknown in America except for the Klitschkos.

:bash::bash::bash::lol::lol::lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions

Soccer in the US does have impressive attendance ..but.. their stadia are much larger than the NBA and NHL....and the ticket prices are much lower.
One reason is the lower ticket prices..

they are not. For example the cheapest baseball tickets cost around 7-20 dollars. The cheapest Sounders tickets cost 35-45 dollars and the attendance is more than baseball. The cheapest basketball tickets are 10-20 USD. So it is not true. The soccer tickets are more expensive than NBA, NHL and even MLB

Do the football fans in the US know that the term "Dynamo" in connection with a football club was created in the old soviet days. Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kyiev, Dynamo Bucharest, Dynamo Dresden etc. are all clubs which had connection with the hated state security apparatus and are today the most hated in their countrys, because they were benefited from the "red" authorities.

while generally true, there were exceptions. Dynamo Kiev and Dinamo Zagreb, for example, were hugely popular, and still are.

Dynamo Dresden are probably the best supported club from the old East Germany, although Dynamo Berlin did nosedive once their backers stopped backing them.

:bash::bash::bash::lol::lol::lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_world_boxing_champions
Dude, you've got to be joking.

Out of 17 weight divisions, a European is clearly the best fighter in ONLY 1 of them(Heavyweight). To give you the benefit of the doubt, let's say Lebedev is the best Cruiserweight. That makes Europe 2 for 17.

Stellar. Really stellar. :lol:

.... can ya be more specific on "the traditional American way of doing things?"
efficient, but superficial, ugly and never perfect. The most important thing is always how to reduce the cost even though there is plenty of money available

they are not. For example the cheapest baseball tickets cost around 7-20 dollars. The cheapest Sounders tickets cost 35-45 dollars and the attendance is more than baseball. The cheapest basketball tickets are 10-20 USD. So it is not true. The soccer tickets are more expensive than NBA, NHL and even MLB
Wrong.....

Baseball teams traditionally offer extremely cheap seats in the bleachers to ensure anyone can afford to go, but the bleachers are just a small part of the entire seating area.

On average, soccer tickets are still cheaper than baseball and hockey and WAY WAY cheaper than basktball. Football ticket prices are on a whole other level.

The average MLB ticket price is $26.91https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teammarketing.com%2Fpublic%2Ffiles%2F2011_mlb_fci.pdf&ei=ygsrT4TXJKmciAKpstTMCg&usg=AFQjCNFRED8RAp3vvopxSryE6JvrYT0OsQ&sig2=1vkun8-trplfeLGHRt--0w&cad=rja
The average MLS tickdet price is $25
http://www.soccerreportextra.com/domestic/mls/attendance-conundrum-why-mls-fixtures-should-be-sold-out/
The average NBA price is $48.48
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CF4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Faol.sportingnews.com%2Fnba%2Fstory%2F2012-02-01%2Fnba-average-ticket-prices-up-1st-time-in-3-years&ei=KQorT7bVBNHKiQKutaigCg&usg=AFQjCNFgzMWerAPf1VyZ4miBr6U3idCd1A&sig2=jH-LiAEo02YJMKZagVo5dg
Average NHL ticket price is $29.95
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fblog%2Fdallas%2Fstars%2Fpost%2F_%2Fid%2F13315%2Fstars-have-cheapest-ticket-in-nhl&ei=Eg0rT5_aCavUiAKc593kCg&usg=AFQjCNF_AaIxHVgNIey2yeHcHSAwY3tqoA&sig2=RQo8LZ4-ifxNsyqFZ_KLEg

Do the football fans in the US know that the term "Dynamo" in connection with a football club was created in the old soviet days. Dynamo Moscow, Dynamo Kyiev, Dynamo Bucharest, Dynamo Dresden etc. are all clubs which had connection with the hated state security apparatus and are today the most hated in their countrys, because they were benefited from the "red" authorities.

Nothing wrong about it, but i find it kind of funny a "Dynamo" club in the heart of right-wing capitalism. Dynamo supporters are always crazy :banana::banana::banana:


I thank that Houston was trying to go for a "Euro-sounding" team name and picked Dynamo after the backlash of the original name...

http://i.imgur.com/O4sHE.gif

Of course, Houston is an energy capital so it does make some sense.

Original name was Houston 1836? Sounds like a train schedule :lol:

efficient, but superficial, ugly and never perfect. The most important thing is always how to reduce the cost even though there is plenty of money available

...ugly?

Original name was Houston 1836? Sounds like a train schedule :lol:

Actually, it's in reference to the year Texas gained its independence from Mexico.

Though I (and several others) felt this would have been a better name, the very large Hispanic population in just Houston alone wouldn't have wanted this. So, we got Dynamo.

Personally, I think this and (some) the following sound better:
*= has history with the city...

- *Houston Apollos
- Houston Generals
- *Houston Commets
- *Houston Toros
- *Houston Buffalos
- Houston Stallions
- *Houston Marshalls
- *Houston Gamblers
- Houston Heights
- Houston Towers
- Houston Tycoons
- Black Gold FC
- Houston Aggies
- Houston Roughnecks
- and last but not least (since it would never happen).... Houston Oilers.:tongue2:


Although, the thought of a train would work too...

http://www.convergentwater.com/Portals/123028/image/City_of_Houston_Seal.jpg

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What he said up there.

New pictures posted from the Houston Dynamo's FB
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/d1-1.jpg

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D3-1.jpg

WOW!
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D2-1.jpg

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D4.jpg

Original name was Houston 1836? Sounds like a train schedule :lol:

Totally unlike 1860 Munich, Hannover 96, or Hoffenheim 1899

Dude, you've got to be joking.

Out of 17 weight divisions, a European is clearly the best fighter in ONLY 1 of them(Heavyweight). To give you the benefit of the doubt, let's say Lebedev is the best Cruiserweight. That makes Europe 2 for 17.

Stellar. Really stellar. :lol:

Exactly my point, he should be ashamed lol

they are not. For example the cheapest baseball tickets cost around 7-20 dollars. The cheapest Sounders tickets cost 35-45 dollars and the attendance is more than baseball. The cheapest basketball tickets are 10-20 USD. So it is not true. The soccer tickets are more expensive than NBA, NHL and even MLB

Did you read all of my post?

The NBA and NHL average ticket cost about $52 ..NFL $90..MLB $27 MLS $28..Wow did not know the MLS was that high..impressive.

The MLS is up and coming..but not there yet.

I was posting of average prices and corrected myself in the same post. Sorry if you misunderstood.

By the way I take time out to look up the correct information. That eliminates guess work.

Average NHL ticket price is $29.95

$29.95 was for the Dallas Stars...Actually according to that link you posted it's $57.10...different than what I posted.. Oh well I think the point has been made.

...ugly?
compared the the European stadiums yes. Of course the new professional stadiums look good. But the college stadiums are very ugly even the new ones. Also the surface is not that good. Most of the US stadiums have turf because it's easy and cheap to maintain. But grass is a lot better and looks better.

compared the the European stadiums yes. Of course the new professional stadiums look good. But the college stadiums are very ugly even the new ones. Also the surface is not that good. Most of the US stadiums have turf because it's easy and cheap to maintain. But grass is a lot better and looks better.

....and there are no ugly stadiums in Europe?

And you're exaggerating a bit on the field.

Most stadiums I'VE been to in this country are grass. That's on all levels.

P.S. as far as the 'new' college stadiums go...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3464/3794718552_635aa42898_o.jpg

http://www.stadium.tcu.edu/homepage_slideshow/data1/images/16.jpg

http://www.depts.ttu.edu/communications/stadium/images/stadium.jpg

http://stadium.berkeley.edu/img/home.jpg

http://football.ballparks.com/NCAA/ConfUSA/SMU/newaerial.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/OKState918/normal_March_13_2009_11.jpg

http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/march11/images/stadium.jpg



.... I think we have two different views of what ugly is.

It would be great if they built a stadium.
http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

Allianz Arena in Munich, Germany

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Allianzarenacombo.jpg

Wembley Stadium in London, England

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42723000/jpg/_42723441_wembley416.jpg

Allianz Arena in Munich, Germany

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Allianzarenacombo.jpg

Wembley Stadium in London, England

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42723000/jpg/_42723441_wembley416.jpg
I've been to a few stadiums in Europe, mostly in Germany. I haven't been impressed.

To each his own. You like yours. We like ours.

Allianz Arena in Munich, Germany

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Allianzarenacombo.jpg

Wembley Stadium in London, England

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42723000/jpg/_42723441_wembley416.jpg

... gotta show a little more than that, bro.

Exactly my point, he should be ashamed lol

lol i don't feel ashame, because the point in my previous post was that the US is no more dominating the boxing sport. If you count title by title the europeans or even the mexicans have more in these days.(just count it) 20 years ago the US-boys dominated boxing so bad. Can we leave it with that:cheers:

Moving on....

Everybody has its taste, no problem! I love the german stadiums, but also the english


http://shop.fcbayern.de/cat_images/zoom/zoom-7478-fc-bayern-Poster-Allianz-Arena-Innenraum-360-.png

http://hauptstadberlin.homepage24.de/bilder/berlin4.jpg

http://www.thelostboy.de/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bvbauftakt_artikel.jpg

http://www.schalke04.de/uploads/pics/veltins_arena_voll.jpg

http://www.mopo.de/image/view/2011/3/20/8362962,5323394,highRes,maxh,480,maxw,480,WITTERS_512091.jpg.jpg

http://www.hsv.de/fileadmin/redaktion/Reisen/Stadien/kaiserslautern_fritz-walter-stadion1.jpg

http://int-u17-turnier.spvgg-sonnenberg.de/images/stadionfrankfurt.jpg

http://www.christophziegenhain.de/conni/stadien/image/koeln.jpg

http://www.merkur-online.de/bilder/2009/03/28/116111/251696010-leipzig-zentralstadion.9.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_P3JwIgO4Zlc/S8dLEm84kjI/AAAAAAAAAIU/gMAMzCnpnC4/s1600/Espirit+Stadium.jpg

http://www.4tours.de/cms/upload/arena/hannover_awd_arena.jpg

awesome examples of Soccer Stadiums in the USA

...ugly?

I think the 20000 or so ones I posted were all pretty ugly, but much of that was because they looked so basic and unfinished.


I mean, would anyone look at this Dynamo stadium and wish it could be like one of those instead?

I thank that Houston was trying to go for a "Euro-sounding" team name and picked Dynamo after the backlash of the original name...

Of course, Houston is an energy capital so it does make some sense.

Don't forget that Houston had a soccer team called the Dynamos that played in the USL from 1983-1991, so it was not much of a stretch to name the new team the same name.

awesome examples of Soccer Stadiums in the USA

your welcome :banana::banana::banana:

I think the 20000 or so ones I posted were all pretty ugly, but much of that was because they looked so basic and unfinished.


I mean, would anyone look at this Dynamo stadium and wish it could be like one of those instead?

They're "basic and unfinished" because those stadiums you posted belonged to small schools. They don't need full bowls. Plus, I don't know if it's like this in Europe, but in this country with high school and small college stadiums (mainly with high schools) stadiums are split with a set of stands on one side and a set on the other because we have visitors. And typically it's not really a good idea to have visitors sitting in the same stands as the home crowd with a good number of young people who may start fights with rival school students.

You can't compare even MLS stadiums to high school/small colleges, they're built that way for certain reasons.


.... and can someone please explain to me why people say American stadiums are "unfinished"? PLEASE tell me.

Chill out man, not everyone sees everything the same way.

He is just being suborn JJG. As I have said, the USA and Europe build 2 completely different styles of stadiums.

PS: Wembley's stands have a very US feel to them.

Chill out man, not everyone sees everything the same way.

Are you telling me to chill out?

Just for reference, here are the stadiums of the MLS.

Chicago Fire (Toyota Park)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3966647186_cdb5230df3_b.jpg

Columbus Crew (Columbus Crew Stadium)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4134/4921185570_6cb8520e10_b.jpg

DC United (RFK Stadium)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/2393708760_53d52c491e_b.jpg

Sporting Kansas City (Livestrong Sporting Park)
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6044/6337141673_b4a37f5961_b.jpg

New England Revolution (Gillette Stadium)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3480/3710747373_d100e86783_b.jpg

Red Bull New York (Red Bull Arena)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4651494181_6499a0ca3f_b.jpg

Philadelphia Union (PPL Park)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4079/4822403435_e4f919c667_b.jpg

Toronto FC (BMO Field)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/206/476143017_6bdfdcf269_b.jpg

LA Galaxy/Chivas USA (Home Depot Center)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3341/3502789134_229831a816_b.jpg

Colorado Rapids (Dick's Sporting Goods Park)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/4094376721_9ce965abe1_b.jpg

FC Dallas (FC Dallas Stadium)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/2412909836_d3937462e2.jpg

Houston Dynamo (BBVA Compass Stadium)
http://www.houstondynamo.com/sites/houston/files/imagecache/620x350/image_nodes/2011/12/DL_StadiumRendering_Updated.jpg

Real Salt Lake (Rio Tinto Stadium)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2929159179_a7814fe9c1_b.jpg

San Jose Earthquakes (Buck Shaw Stadium)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/BuckShawPanorama.JPG/650px-BuckShawPanorama.JPG

Seattle Sounders (CenturyLink Field)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2426/3798917572_d7a30e2440_b.jpg

Vancouver Whitecaps FC (BC Place)
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6051/6248353185_d8ac9bf02c_z.jpg

Portland Timbers (Jeld-Wen Stadium)
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5142/5688297390_6ae2b28865_b.jpg

Montreal Impact (Saputo Stadium)
http://montreal.theoffside.com/files/2011/04/04_vue-aerienne-entree-tertiaire-ajuste.jpg

Seattle has an amazing fan base. Way to go.

They're "basic and unfinished" because those stadiums you posted belonged to small schools. They don't need full bowls. Plus, I don't know if it's like this in Europe, but in this country with high school and small college stadiums (mainly with high schools) stadiums are split with a set of stands on one side and a set on the other because we have visitors. And typically it's not really a good idea to have visitors sitting in the same stands as the home crowd with a good number of young people who may start fights with rival school students.
In Europe the home and away-fans are also split, but on the same stands. Every country has it's own system depends on how big is the risk of an escalation. In England they put guards around the away fans like a human wall^^. In continental europe normally the away fans are normally split up with a small- plexi-glas, fence or wall from the home fans. Well normally the die-hard away fans have no problem with the average fan but only with the Ultras of the other club. But the Ultras of the home and away fans are far away like in the US :lol:


You can't compare even MLS stadiums to high school/small colleges, they're built that way for certain reasons.

agree. college is about education, so they should not waste their money for a ultra-modern stadium with boxes, roof and other stuff for a couple of games per year, which are anyway sold out.

I have to say that after looking at all the MLS stadiums posted, I truly think the US Soccer stadiums look way nicer than the European Stadiums. They look more open and friendly. The Euro stadiums all have a dark, cramped feel. Most MLS stadiums look like they have a AA-AAA Baseball stadium charm to them. Well besides Vancouver, DC, red bell, those look like bad atmospheres to me. I'm not completely against roofs as I think the MLS roofs like good for the most part, but the Euro style roofs are to big and don't allow in any sunlight, might as well be full roofs as they are dank and remind me of me least favorite NFL stadiums, the domes and retractable roof stadiums.

.... and can someone please explain to me why people say American stadiums are "unfinished"? PLEASE tell me.

1. roof: A roof normally gives the stadium a individual note, but also can create a special and louder atmosphere(made the experience). But we don't like indoor-arenas in football, because that kills the atmosphere without light and weather condition.

2. For me personal american stadiums don't look unfinished but some of them look clunky and soulless like Metlife stadium. And they tend to divide standing with big boxes into the lower stand which are very close to the pitch and the upper stand where you are miles away from the seat. I prefer a stadium which offers everybody a good view.

But there also a lot of american stadiums i really like => seattle stadium, Reliant Stadium or Cowboys and others of course, too.

Estadio Juan Ramón Loubriel (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1367485) in Bayamon, Puerto Rico is just starting a renovation to become a 20,000 seat soccer specific stadium. The JRL is home to the Puerto Rico Islanders of the NASL (US Division Two).

http://i.imgur.com/4o1xb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gBg8M.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IHWWs.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/BDGk1.jpg

^^San Jose is on the cusp of getting theirs going. One or two more protests to go. So that just leaves New England and DC to get off their arse's.

agree. college is about education, so they should not waste their money for a ultra-modern stadium with boxes, roof and other stuff for a couple of games per year, which are anyway sold out.

*clears throat*

Uh, yeah... actually colleges spend plenty of money on renovations and boxes for their stadiums/ballparks/arenas on a constant basis. Some more than others. Just check several college football stadiums in just the SOUTH and you'll see that millions of dollars are spent on athletics (mainly football since it is the big money maker).

And these are just for high schools in Texas:


http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/17339328.jpg

http://thepigskindoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/allenhighschool.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/100/301703436_365855e543_o.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4Ct-ckvkSOM/TktrftJ_30I/AAAAAAAAAQs/Z6Eb9VhYqeQ/s1600/BerryCenterCypressISDusethis.jpg

http://www.paragon-sports.com/images/fin/heroes_A.jpg

http://www.paragon-sports.com/images/fin/princetown_A.jpg

http://rookery9.aviary.com.s3.amazonaws.com/3884500/3884988_2fb9_625x1000.jpg

http://www.vlkarchitects.com/uploads/projects/34/DISD-Stadium-Sports.jpg

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/359764.jpg

There are even some with their own indoor practice facilities like Highland Park (home of Matt Stafford)
http://www.parkcitiespeople.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/HPpractice.jpg

The amount of money spent on just high school football stadiums here in Texas is ridiculous. Some look better than a few college stadiums, even.

But I will agree that some of our stadiums are a bit soulless.

Sorry to get off topic.

Estadio Juan Ramón Loubriel (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1367485) in Bayamon, Puerto Rico is just starting a renovation to become a 20,000 seat soccer specific stadium. The JRL is home to the Puerto Rico Islanders of the NASL (US Division Two).

http://i.imgur.com/4o1xb.jpg Good for them. A shame they couldn't also reconfigure the "open" end of the existing baseball stand so that those sideline seats aren't oriented away from the near goal. But I imagine that will be addressed if they ever need to expand in the future.

^^San Jose is on the cusp of getting theirs going. One or two more protests to go. So that just leaves New England and DC to get off their arse's.By comparison United have been off their arse since Columbus gave MLS a model. It's the District that's been stonewalling them regarding an acceptable site.

New pictures posted from the Houston Dynamo's FB
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/d1-1.jpg

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D3-1.jpg

WOW!
http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D2-1.jpg

http://i324.photobucket.com/albums/k353/northbayoukid/D4.jpg

dude shouldnt there be a construction thread for this stadium?

agree. college is about education, so they should not waste their money for a ultra-modern stadium with boxes, roof and other stuff for a couple of games per year, which are anyway sold out. The games are sold out in both basketball and Football. These sports generate millions of dollars for US colleges so all students can benefit..NCAA DIV 1A schools play up to 32 regular season basketball games a season and 12 football games.

Revenue generated by DIV 1A NCAA schools.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2011-06-15-athletic-departments-increase-money_n.htm

As for the luxury boxes..the well to do & big donors alumni of these schools expect that schools maintain these luxury box for their enjoyment.

Although, the thought of a train would work too...

http://www.convergentwater.com/Portals/123028/image/City_of_Houston_Seal.jpg

Lokomotiv Houston? :)

dude shouldnt there be a construction thread for this stadium?

It's this site's policy that there are no separate threads for stadiums under 30 k in size.

They're "basic and unfinished" because those stadiums you posted belonged to small schools. They don't need full bowls.

That kind of misses the point of the question though. It's not a "A" is good but "B" is crap statement.


It's a question of whether these 25000 or so stadiums are changing the idea of what a 25000 stadium could be?

Are there Dynamo fans who wish their stadium looked like one of those small college stadiums as they prefer that style?

If a new small college stadium got built, is it likely that they might look at building something like a SSS instead of the usual design?


If the answer to both is typically "no", then isn't that a bit strange?


Plus, I don't know if it's like this in Europe, but in this country with high school and small college stadiums (mainly with high schools) stadiums are split with a set of stands on one side and a set on the other because we have visitors. And typically it's not really a good idea to have visitors sitting in the same stands as the home crowd with a good number of young people who may start fights with rival school students.

is there any history of students fighting?


.... and can someone please explain to me why people say American stadiums are "unfinished"? PLEASE tell me.
Open ends. It looks like stands are missing.

It reminds people of grounds like this, which people always think look unfinished...because they are.

http://www.nflstadiumguide.com/kassam1.jpg

http://www.nflstadiumguide.com/kassam1.jpg

is there any history of students fighting?

No. I don't know where that comment came from.

The reason we put all the stands on the sidlines of small stadiums is because we want the "home" crowd behind the "Home" bench and the "Visiting" crowd behind the "visiting" bench. Now this mainly only happens at High School stadius.

At small college stadiums, they reason stands are generally only on the sidelines and there is nothing along the end zones is because NO ONE wants to watch the game come towards them, and then away from them. With the seating on the sidelines, you get to watch the game from left to right and back and forth.

It makes since for football.

dude shouldnt there be a construction thread for this stadium?

There is, this one. Unfortunately some idiot thought only 30,000+ seat stadiums should get their own threads.

It's this site's policy that there are no separate threads for stadiums under 30 k in size.

There is, this one. Unfortunately some idiot thought only 30,000+ seat stadiums should get their own threads.

:ohno::ohno::ohno: ..what a bucket of crap policy!

This is a big reason why the NFL playoffs are so popular. They are short and anything can happen in a single game. In recent years, there have been two 6 seeds make the Super Bowl, with Pittsburgh winning it one year.

With 7 game series, 99% of the time the better team wins. I love 7 game series though, especially in hockey. The tension in the building is so far and above anything in the regular season.
Well, a number six seed (Green Bay Packers) won it all last year, too.

Also, I do like that MLS is working on growing its fan base in a natural manner and those new 'fútbol' specific stadia are a great way to nurture that along. Remember, too, that the NFL started small in the 1920s, with small teams coming and going with amazing frequency (the Packers are one of those little teams that endured), not really growing BIG until the 1960s.

Mike

That kind of misses the point of the question though. It's not a "A" is good but "B" is crap statement.


It's a question of whether these 25000 or so stadiums are changing the idea of what a 25000 stadium could be?

Are there Dynamo fans who wish their stadium looked like one of those small college stadiums as they prefer that style?

If a new small college stadium got built, is it likely that they might look at building something like a SSS instead of the usual design?


If the answer to both is typically "no", then isn't that a bit strange?


is there any history of students fighting?


Open ends. It looks like stands are missing.

It reminds people of grounds like this, which people always think look unfinished...because they are.

http://www.nflstadiumguide.com/kassam1.jpg
http://www.nflstadiumguide.com/kassam1.jpg

Ok. To answer your question about how Dynamo fans feel about the stadium... I really don't think they care that much just as long as there are good sight lines.

Now about the 25,000 seaters here in America, they do have some connections. Maybe to the lower end, maybe one end is open but the other has seats. Still, small stadiums like these just may not have a full bowl. And they don't have to. But this is MLS, a professional league. You wont see too many stadiums like these in this country.

New college football stadiums for small schools typically build two sides, one on each sideline as always. At the very most, you may see some small sets of stands on the ends of the field, but that's it. Usually not a full bowl.

Like, here's what Prarie View A&M University has in plan for a new football stadium (new complex, really).

http://www.iluvpvu.com/communities/7/004/007/157/157/images/4536262038.swf

Notice how the bulk of seating is on two sides. That's it.... that's all ya really need for this sport. Plus, it's a school with just under 9,000 in a town of 6,000, and a fan base with hardly any REAL fans. You really think we need to build something like what the Dynamo has?
And yes, above it is a typical college soccer stadium. Just in case you're wondering or you probably already know, it's not gonna get any bigger than that.

And let's just get one thing straight before I continue. I'm NOT saying either style is better or worse. Just different. I'm not saying American stadiums are better than Euro or Asian or South American stadiums. You build what's necessary and (in the case of college stadiums) expand for what you need. If a new 25,000 seater is built with a full bowl, that's fine. If it's just sideline seats with maybe a few in the corners or ends, that's fine, too. But there is no one standard for building stadiums in this country.

And you have to forgive me for making an observation, but it seems like it's more non-Americans asking why American stadiums look the way they do and very few, if any, Americans asking why non-American stadiums look the way they do. As for the "unfinished" comment, maybe some of us want our stadiums to be different and have something other than the same dull, nothing-but-seats look to it.

No. I don't know where that comment came from.

Dallas ISD schools Kimball and Carter 2006 Basketball game. (http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/brawl-basketball-game-818619/)

Pretty bad when a SWAT team is needed....


Just because it rarely happens doesn't mean it never happens. And it would be DALLAS schools.:lol:

Fights in Oak Cliff, TX and Inglewood, CA and Opa Locka, FL? Now that's a real shocker.

The structure of football stadiums has nothing to do with that though.

Fights in Oak Cliff, TX and Inglewood, CA and Opa Locka, FL? Now that's a real shocker.

The structure of football stadiums has nothing to do with that though.

True. The historical structure of football stadiums (Canadian and American) all have to do with end zone seats being considered bad seating. There isn't the same mindset for soccer stadiums in Europe.

the most passionate fans in Europe (the ultras) usually stand behind the goals

Fights in Oak Cliff, TX and Inglewood, CA and Opa Locka, FL? Now that's a real shocker.

The structure of football stadiums has nothing to do with that though.


Look, all I know is, we've gotten WAY off topic (for the millionth time).

I just don't get why some people just can't accept the fact that stadiums are just built differently in other countries. SSS here have a style that fits the sport and high school/college football stadiums are usually home/away seating.

I just don't get the questioning for it.

Totally unlike 1860 Munich, Hannover 96, or Hoffenheim 1899
But they don't sound like a famous railway terminus.

True. The historical structure of football stadiums (Canadian and American) all have to do with end zone seats being considered bad seating. There isn't the same mindset for soccer stadiums in Europe.
Well, there actually is a similar mindset. Hence the tickets for seats behind the goal-line are price significantly cheaper than for those behind the side-lines. However, as the game isn't solely focused on gaining space the view from behind the goal-line is fairly good.

In soccer the seats along the sideline are where at of the boxes are for the richer/fairweather fans to sit and take in the games.

What names sound like a railway terminal?

Could Puerto Rico land a MLS Franchise?

Look, all I know is, we've gotten WAY off topic (for the millionth time).

I just don't get why some people just can't accept the fact that stadiums are just built differently in other countries. SSS here have a style that fits the sport and high school/college football stadiums are usually home/away seating.

I just don't get the questioning for it.

I get it all right. I was just questioning whether being exposed to a different design might change opinions about what a smaller stadium can look like (and conversely whether fans would prefer standard US style stadiums instead of SSS).

Unfortunately just raising a question like that somehow immediatelty morphs into a tedious "this is good and that is crap" debate.

Awesome!http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

Unfortunately just raising a question like that somehow immediatelty morphs into a tedious "this is good and that is crap" debate.

....from who?

In soccer the seats along the sideline are where at of the boxes are for the richer/fairweather fans to sit and take in the games.

What names sound like a railway terminal?

Could Puerto Rico land a MLS Franchise?
Well, I suppose that they could if MLS would combine with the NASL and others to implement a promotion-relegation system.

Also, for end zone v. sideline seats, my family has a season ticket subscription to two very close-up seats in the south end zone at Lambeau Field (NFL Packers) and I will say that they are much more PURE FUN than sideline or skybox seats - they score in the end zones, not 40 rows up at mid-field, and I consider goal-line stands to be the most exciting parts of NFL games.

Mike

Yep plus seeing the lambeau leap has got to be great.

he's talking about the star shaped forts that were popular along the east coast in the 18th and 19th century.

the base of the Statue of Liberty (Fort Wood) is an example of one; as is Fort McHenry in Baltimore is another.

here's a picture of Ft. Jay, which is another example.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Fort_Jay_aerial_view_HABS_NY%2C31-GOVI%2C1-11.jpg

I still think this would be awesome for either DC or boston to build.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

This is so ignorant and far from the truth it's comical. I'm wondering what prompted this idiotic post, jealousy? Inferiority complex? Must be.

What names sound like a railway terminal?
Houston 1836

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/28/128776405815317261.jpg

Could Puerto Rico land a MLS Franchise?

Bet on it, added with a Miami team for a derby as teams 21 and 22. Assuming the Cosmos can work a stadium out and are 20.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60055/1369621-fail3_super.jpg

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

:nuts::nuts::nuts: chill oxo. Every nation has its own style you have to accept it. True in america everything is bigger; the houses, streets, cars, food, buildings etc... Nothing wrong about it.

Well most football stadiums are build economically for a couple of games per year which are anyway sold out. And the owners pay for it, so they probably don't want to waste their money for a nice design. The european fans are more sensitive about "their" stadium, but there are also more games played per year.

I like the most american soccer stadiums. But they also have a more in common with typical european stadiums than american. The New York Red Bull stadim looks like the Salzburg Red Bull stadium but also like the stadiums of TSG Hoffenheim and Espanyol Barcelona. :cheers:

Let me point out to all the Euros who are going to come in here and trash talk the US soccer Specific Stadiums that our Soccer Stadiums are built for future expansion. Why build stands that will just be torn down for crowds that arnt showing up yet?

^^ agree. many stadiums in europe developed over a century too. think about bernabeo or nou camp. at early stages there were onliy one tier-levels. now there are three or more.

also remind that ist is not about sophistication of archtitektur but the athmosphere created by spectators, that make an event unforgettable.

Preaching to the choir!!! ^^

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

The fact of the matter is that soccer in the US is not the big money sport it is in Europe. Owner and municipalities are not going to spend the extra money it takes to turn a stadium into an elegant structure when that can be better spent on museums, concert halls and theaters. No one here gets their culture from 3 hours at a ballgame.

What is an average American in your mind? This is the most culturally diverse country in the world. Do you think everyone here drives a Hummer, owns a small arsenal of firearms and kills their own dinner every night?

I doubt many Americans who would fall into your narrow minded view of our country would spend much time on a soccer stadium thread, so why don’t you take your ignorant thoughts and take them somewhere else?

Bet on it, added with a Miami team for a derby as teams 21 and 22. Assuming the Cosmos can work a stadium out and are 20.

Highly unlikely. San Juan would be the 46th biggest market in the U.S. That's not going to get MLS overly excited and it doesn't have the businesses to match those of the big U.S. cities. If MLS really does look for a team to pair with Miami, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville and somewhere in N. Carolina are all more likely.

The New York Red Bull stadim looks like the Salzburg Red Bull stadium but also like the stadiums of TSG Hoffenheim and Espanyol Barcelona. :cheers:A common error but actually Red Bull Arena is a near identical clone of Hypo Arena (http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/austria/klagenfurt_arena.shtml) in Klagenfurt (despite different architects). The Bullen Arena (http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/austria/salzburg_stadion.shtml)in Salzburg has a comparable 2 tier interior but is squared in form with a flat roof and less obvious section of premium seating.

Bet on it, added with a Miami team for a derby as teams 21 and 22. Assuming the Cosmos can work a stadium out and are 20.I'm with ryebread in saying that'd be a bad bet. MLS is wise to stick with markets that are more soccer savvy and hungry, and that the Islanders are prospering in the lower levels means they deserve their shot. However, MLS is also at a point where they can actually afford to be more finicky and will only take on those teams that will draw more national appeal. They're also being very cautious in this process because they haven't rushed to name #20 despite several interested parties and the issues that come with imbalanced scheduling. I'm not saying PR would be a flop, but I think MLS has a very defined list of targeted markets that it wants to secure first, as probably advised to them by advertisers and broadcast partners. NY#2, St. Louis, Phoenix, etc.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.Jealous?:lol:

Let me point out to all the Euros who are going to come in here and trash talk the US soccer Specific Stadiums that our Soccer Stadiums are built for future expansion. Why build stands that will just be torn down for crowds that arnt showing up yet?

Well, I'm a Euro and think that 99% of american soccer stadiums look perfectly cool as they are, with no need for expansions or anything whatsoever. :cheers:

And I can actually think of a few places here in Spain that could use some of those stadiums to replace the ones they have now.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

Good point actually. It won't win you many friends in this thread though. People in here are too smug to accept different opinions.

Good point actually. It won't win you many friends in this thread though. People in here are too smug to accept different opinions.

Opinion or not, giving the whole "your stadium sucks, my stadium is better" thing isn't accepted.

Just take a look at some of those tags and tell me why people wouldn't jump all over this guy...

Bet on it, added with a Miami team for a derby as teams 21 and 22. Assuming the Cosmos can work a stadium out and are 20.

That would be a wonderful dream

New England Revolution looking at Revere

Representatives for Robert Kraft have been in contact with Revere Mayor Daniel Rizzo about building a stadium for the New England Revolution, according to a report in the Lynn, Mass. Daily Item.

Rizzo is working on plan for the 26-acre Wonderland Greyhound Park which was shut down on August 19, 2010; shortly after the state-wide ban on dog racing went into effect. Rizzo is exploring the potential of a satellite college campus with private businesses surrounding it, an arts and cultural center or possibly a stadium for the New England Revolution.

http://nesoccertoday.com/?p=8817

New England Revolution looking at Revere


Looks a hell of a lot closer to Boston than Foxboro, and it looks like a decent site.

http://i.imgur.com/CR8ax.jpg

y que tal este de cali colombia, donde juega el america de cali el mejor club de colombia

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wpkW5fZKg2g/Tk5lqHGPYlI/AAAAAAAAA8c/xc6-I-lS2Nw/s1600/PascualGuerrero.jpg
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I'm not a soccer fan. ^^ This is one of my pet peeves about soccer. Ads on the uniforms.:ohno: I don't get it..at all...I assume this is a way to make more revenue.

cada patrocinio de esos genera altos ingresos economicos, por ejemplo esa marca que esta en el pecho es la que mas vale y estariamos hablando de casi un millon y medio de dolares por año y asi con cada uno

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8rS-c2bSyfc/TM7R4gLXYtI/AAAAAAAAAvY/CpgqNIRdZXI/s1600/footballkits2010-111.jpg

MIREN ESTA NOTICIA DE INGLATERRA

cortecia de : http://banyordonez.blogspot.com/2010/11/premier-league-lidera-el-patrocinio-en.html

PREMIER LEAGUE LIDERA EL PATROCINIO EN LAS CAMISAS

La Premier League inglesa ha adelantado a la Bundesliga de Alemania para convertirse en la liga europea con mayores ingresos por recaudaciones provenientes del patrocinio de la camisa.

La Premier League ha aumentado los ingresos de la camisa de patrocinio en comparación con el año pasado para tomar su total a €128 millones, según la 12 ª edición del informe europeo Jersey global de consultoría de marketing deportivo SPORT MARKT.

El mercado global creció a través de las mejores ligas europeas (Inglaterra, Italia, España, Francia, Alemania y los Países Bajos) en un 18% sobre el año pasado a €470.7 millones.

"La Premier League es el abanderado de patrocinio en camisetas en Europa y representa la plataforma importante para las empresas internacionales que deseen invertir en el fútbol", dijo Gareth Moore, director británico de SPORT MARKT.

"Quince clubes han aumentado sus ingresos de la mejora de ofertas de patrocinio de camiseta, y tres de los cinco clubes con las ofertas más lucrativas en Europa procede de la Premier League".

Manchester United y Liverpool, nuevos acuerdos con AON y Standard Chartered, respectivamente, son los líderes indiscutibles en Europa, cada uno por valor €23,6 millones.

Mientras tanto, FxPro eligió la Liga Premier para hacer su debut en el patrocinio del fútbol y del Tottenham Hotspur con dos patrocinadores en la camisa, Autonomía para los juegos de liga e Investec para los partidos de copa.

Moore prosiguió: "Es fácil ver que cuando una nueva empresa decide invertir grandes cantidades de dinero en patrocinio deportivo, la Liga Premier es el principal destino".
Alemania y Francia, segundo y cuarto puesto, con €118 millones y €58 millones respectivamente, mostraron un aumento impresionante. Francia se benefició de la liberalización de su mercado de las apuestas para superar a España (€ 57,5 millones), y Alemania podría ser el mercado el próximo a ser impulsado por los cambios en la legislación de juego.

Las principales ligas europeas registraron un aumento de los ingresos de patrocinio en sus camisetas, mientras que la figura de los Países Bajos se mantuvo similar al año anterior. Sólo Serie A italiana reportó una disminución de los ingresos por patrocinio.

NORIND, This thread is about soccer(futbol) stadiums in the USA and MLS...

English please! I am not going to run all that thru a translator.

I hope The Revolution design a nice stadium. With the past few new stadiums that have been built in the MLS, they have a high standard to live up to.

Good point actually. It won't win you many friends in this thread though. People in here are too smug to accept different opinions.

Find one of my posts where I bash a Euro soccer stadium. I like most of them, actually. His second paragraph had nothing to do with stadiums, it was baseless anti-America garbage. I don't go on Euro threads and bitch about how their refined designs and extravagent roofs are contributing to the European financial crisis and F-ing up my 401k.

New England Revolution looking at Revere



http://nesoccertoday.com/?p=8817

This would be big for them. That area has a massive population of Brazilians in Chelsea near by.

Good point actually. It won't win you many friends in this thread though. People in here are too smug to accept different opinions.

which MLS stadiums would you describe at "brutalist"?


Oxo is Polish, and just goes round every thread saying no stadiums are as good in any way as the new ones in Poland.

Polands "New" stadiums will be out of date in 3 years.

Rever wouldn't be bad. It's obviously a major upgrade from Foxboro, but I'd still much rather see Somerville work out. That'd be an incredible location for the Revs.

For Boston, rail access is THE most important factor in my opinion.

Highly unlikely. San Juan would be the 46th biggest market in the U.S. That's not going to get MLS overly excited and it doesn't have the businesses to match those of the big U.S. cities. If MLS really does look for a team to pair with Miami, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville and somewhere in N. Carolina are all more likely.

You have to understand it would be a de facto national team. Plus they'd have decent support in the US, in NY especially. MLS definitely likes 'tribal' fanbases and PR would offer something none of those other cities could. Look at how Atlanta and Tampa support their other teams. NC is a possibility, but again that's kind of a transient area, usually means lots of bandwagon fans.

In fairness Miami can also be like that, but it's also a huge center for Spanish language media with lots of Central and South Americans who might now be interested in their other teams.

All these stadiums are lacking in design subtlety and look quite brutalist, even those trying not to.

Unlike in parts of Europe, the concepts of refinement, sophistication and finesse are completely alien to the average American.
Its all about big cars, big burgers and big bucks – basically the one with the biggest dick wins.

I must have missed this.

I have a question for the visitor from Poland..

Why is the average attendance in the Ekstraklasa(Top League(football/soccer)) so poor? Only 5200 a game.

http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/pol-ekstraklasa-2010-2011/1/

The MLS attendance is 17,000 a game.

I must have missed this.

I have a question for the visitor from Poland..

Why is the average attendance in the Ekstraklasa(Top League(football/soccer)) so poor? Only 5200 a game. The MLS attendance is 17,000 a game.

I'm willing to bet you WON'T get an answer...

Highly unlikely. San Juan would be the 46th biggest market in the U.S. That's not going to get MLS overly excited and it doesn't have the businesses to match those of the big U.S. cities. If MLS really does look for a team to pair with Miami, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville and somewhere in N. Carolina are all more likely.

Highly unlikely most likely because soccer ain't popular here. But tell me, how big are the Portland and Salt Lake City markets?

Yep plus seeing the lambeau leap has got to be great.
Interesting in that the practice of jumping into the stands to celebrate a score with the fans, started by Leroy Butler of the Packers after he ran a fumble recovery half the length of the field (after the recovered fumble was flipped to him by Reggie White after he ran it nearly the other half of the field) nearly 20 years ago, then spread around the World fairly quickly. Case in point, I was watching some highlights of a BPL match a couple of weeks ago and, after scoring a goal, a Manchester United player (I forget his name) jumped into the stands while surrounded by several of his teammates.

:yes:

Mike

Latest pictures of Saputo Stadium. Not too much done by the look of it; though from what I heard construction stopped because of the weather. Let's hope this hasn't delayed it too drastically.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403632_10150641265515979_1451271955_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/427525_10150641262300979_116861190978_11453683_1782460517_n.jpg

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http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/424505_10150641264230979_116861190978_11453694_278024304_n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404267_10150641264080979_116861190978_11453693_986052782_n.jpg

Those are the same pictures that were posted from January

Those are the same pictures that were posted from January

No they aren't.


New interior webcam installed at BBVA Compass Stadium. http://www.houstondynamo.com/stadium/webcam

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407249_10150509786031150_20105631149_9008454_1713576289_n.jpg

Some Dynamo fans already complaining about how the seats don't look comfortable and how there are no cupholders. :lol:

Interesting in that the practice of jumping into the stands to celebrate a score with the fans, started by Leroy Butler of the Packers after he ran a fumble recovery half the length of the field (after the recovered fumble was flipped to him by Reggie White after he ran it nearly the other half of the field) nearly 20 years ago, then spread around the World fairly quickly. Case in point, I was watching some highlights of a BPL match a couple of weeks ago and, after scoring a goal, a Manchester United player (I forget his name) jumped into the stands while surrounded by several of his teammates.



Its Called the English Premier League.

when did Leroy first jump over the wall?

The thing about Puerto Rico having a team is travel. The closest team to San Juan is DC at 1500 miles. From Kansas City it's 2200 miles. That's a hell of a trip for a game in your own division.

Its Called the English Premier League.

when did Leroy first jump over the wall?

Actually I believe the Brits refer to it as just The Premiership. In England you'll hear it referred to as The Barclay's Premiership for sponsorship reasons. which is where the BPL acronym comes from. Foreigners usually tack on English or Scottish to the front of 'Premier League' to differentiate between the two. Swansea aren't exactly English are they?
Brits I know hate it being called the EPL as much as American Soccer fans hate MLS being called 'the' MLS.

Interesting in that the practice of jumping into the stands to celebrate a score with the fans, started by Leroy Butler of the Packers after he ran a fumble recovery half the length of the field (after the recovered fumble was flipped to him by Reggie White after he ran it nearly the other half of the field) nearly 20 years ago, then spread around the World fairly quickly. Case in point, I was watching some highlights of a BPL match a couple of weeks ago and, after scoring a goal, a Manchester United player (I forget his name) jumped into the stands while surrounded by several of his teammates.
Mike

I think 99 % of all europeans never saw or heard from Leroy Butler celebration

So you watched a Premier league match saw the same celebration and think it"spread around the world". There wasn't even youtube in these days :bash::bash::lol::lol:

Europeans always goung nuts when important goals happens. If you would know...:nuts:

The thing about Puerto Rico having a team is travel. The closest team to San Juan is DC at 1500 miles. From Kansas City it's 2200 miles. That's a hell of a trip for a game in your own division.

They'd have to come with a Miami team.

They'd have to come with a Miami team.In all seriousness, why? The Islanders already play in a smaller league with less revenue and comparable travel costs for reaching places like Edmonton, Minneapolis and San Antonio. True, the rest of the league is no farther than Carolina, but thus far travel logistics aren't THE impediment because, let's face it, if they step up in class they'll have more money and it's not like they'd be traveling to Vancouver every week.

Bottom line, if they're a viable option then MLS would make it work. The value in pairing them with Miami would be trying to make that a rivalry, but would require Miami to feel the same and I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not denying the idea, simply thinking better options will lead MLS elsewhere.

No they aren't.

They are from the club's facebook page and are dated January 19. That's why no progress appears to have been made.

Actually I believe the Brits refer to it as just The Premiership. In England you'll hear it referred to as The Barclay's Premiership for sponsorship reasons. which is where the BPL acronym comes from. Foreigners usually tack on English or Scottish to the front of 'Premier League' to differentiate between the two. Swansea aren't exactly English are they?
Brits I know hate it being called the EPL as much as American Soccer fans hate MLS being called 'the' MLS.

I couldn't care less if people call it 'the MLS'. I do it too.

Also, it is rightly called the English Premier League because it falls under the umbrella of the FA, which is the official governing body of soccer in England. Because they are large historical clubs in major cities, Swansea and Cardiff just happen to be invited members to the FA.

Brits I know hate it being called the EPL as much as American Soccer fans hate MLS being called 'the' MLS.

....where do ya get that from?

I hear people say 'the' MLS all the time with no issue.

the NFL
the NBA
the NHL
the MLB
the MLS

who throws a fit about using "the"

the derzberb throws

It's a British/American English thing. In the UK people say 'I'm watching Spurs' or 'I'm watching NFL'.

Any American fan throwing a fit over 'the MLS' is one of those people who thinks being vaguely culturally British makes them more sophisticated than Joe Public.

Any American fan throwing a fit over 'the MLS' is one of those people who thinks being vaguely culturally British makes them more sophisticated than Joe Public.Crimey! You mean tis'nt true?!! Buggers! :doh:

They are from the club's facebook page and are dated January 19. That's why no progress appears to have been made.

Your having a laugh now. :nuts: I uploaded the January (20th to be precise) photos in January, and now 13 photos were uploaded to facebook 6 hours before I posted them here. Look at how much snow there is in January and compare that to the February photos. Read as well what I wrote above my post, about how they stopped construction.


Grass installation has begun at BBVA Compass Stadium

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/416843_10150511397666150_20105631149_9011883_1541262870_n.jpg

Your having a laugh now. :nuts: I uploaded the January (20th to be precise) photos in January, and now 13 photos were uploaded to facebook 6 hours before I posted them here. Look at how much snow there is in January and compare that to the February photos. Read as well what I wrote above my post, about how they stopped construction.
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You might be right, but I sure don't see any difference from the January photos. This stadium may not get done until the end of the season.

I must have missed this.

I have a question for the visitor from Poland..

Why is the average attendance in the Ekstraklasa(Top League(football/soccer)) so poor? Only 5200 a game.

http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/pol-ekstraklasa-2010-2011/1/

The MLS attendance is 17,000 a game.

2nd question: How come Tomas Franskowski couldn't get off the bench for the Fire, then he went back to Poland and became a league leader.

It's a British/American English thing. In the UK people say 'I'm watching Spurs' or 'I'm watching NFL'.


People here say "the NFL" too. In fact few would say "I'm watching NFL".

The lack of a "the" in front of Spurs, United, City etc is because those names are suffixes, not nicknames.

Teams aren't the Newcastle United or the Manchester City, so it's not like "the Bears" or "the Giants"


Confusingly, somes fan will say "the Rovers", but missing out the "the" is more common.

Sheffield Wednesday and Arsenal did used to officially be "The Arsenal" and "The Wednesday" back in the dim and distant past.

I couldn't care less if people call it 'the MLS'. I do it too.

Also, it is rightly called the English Premier League because it falls under the umbrella of the FA, which is the official governing body of soccer in England. Because they are large historical clubs in major cities, Swansea and Cardiff just happen to be invited members to the FA.

Shouldn't that be the EFA then? ;)

People here say "the NFL" too. In fact few would say "I'm watching NFL".

The lack of a "the" in front of Spurs, United, City etc is because those names are suffixes, not nicknames.

Teams aren't the Newcastle United or the Manchester City, so it's not like "the Bears" or "the Giants"


Confusingly, somes fan will say "the Rovers", but missing out the "the" is more common.

Sheffield Wednesday and Arsenal did used to officially be "The Arsenal" and "The Wednesday" back in the dim and distant past.



Shouldn't that be the EFA then? ;)

Yeah, I say "The Bills" and "The Sabres" but not "The Chelsea" I would say "The Wolves" or "The Gunners" though, but so do the Brits

Teams aren't the Newcastle United or the Manchester City, so it's not like "the Bears" or "the Giants"



That would be "Da Bears"

WHO REALLY FUCKING CARES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE USE THE WORD THE! FOR FUCK SAKE, DO YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THIS ARGUMENT IS! TALK ABOUT SOCCER STADIUMS OF THE USA!

WHO REALLY FUCKING CARES ABOUT HOW PEOPLE USE THE WORD THE! FOR FUCK SAKE, DO YOU SEE HOW RIDICULOUS THIS ARGUMENT IS! TALK ABOUT

Well then, what about soccer stadiums would you like to talk about? There's not really much going on. When there is news about a new stadium, rest assured it will be posted. Don't like, don't read.

^^ Plenty of news in the MLS though. Preseason games, signings, etc. are more interesting then all the rubbish floating around on this thread these past few weeks.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426644_10150511753436150_20105631149_9012711_747822121_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/432243_10150511861811150_20105631149_9012878_1137750447_n.jpg

Well then, what about soccer stadiums would you like to talk about? There's not really much going on. When there is news about a new stadium, rest assured it will be posted. Don't like, don't read.

There is plenty to talk about... Instead, we get 20 or 30 replies of people arguing with trolls about stupid shit... It's beyond me why anyone would give a second thought to somebody whose sole intention is to bash anything America... It's like arguing with a drunk...

If we get back to the topic of this thread, there are a few stadiums being proposed for college soccer teams...

The University of Louisville Foundation agreed Wednesday to buy property at Byrne Avenue., across Floyd Street from Papa John’s Cardinal Stadium, for a proposed soccer stadium. The three plots at 331, 333 and 337 Byrne were purchased from Marco Inc., for $1,050,000. Tom Jurich has said he wants the stadium to include 5,500 seats, including a berm.

http://uoflcardgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Soccer-Stadium.png

They are installing new turf on CenturyLink Field in Seattle. Unfortunately the surface won't be natural grass.

http://seattlesportscentral.com/sounders-fc/century-link-gets-new-turf/

They badly needed a new surface at Clink and they couldn't realistically go to grass with Washington set to play there too while Husky Stadium is being renovated. Grass would get torn to pieces. When this new turf begins to wear and they look for a new surface again then maybe grass will be a realistic option.

In all seriousness, why? The Islanders already play in a smaller league with less revenue and comparable travel costs for reaching places like Edmonton, Minneapolis and San Antonio. True, the rest of the league is no farther than Carolina, but thus far travel logistics aren't THE impediment because, let's face it, if they step up in class they'll have more money and it's not like they'd be traveling to Vancouver every week.

Bottom line, if they're a viable option then MLS would make it work. The value in pairing them with Miami would be trying to make that a rivalry, but would require Miami to feel the same and I'm not sure that's the case. I'm not denying the idea, simply thinking better options will lead MLS elsewhere.

I was referring to travel for everyone else. MLS has divisions to help keep travel costs down (at least I hope that's why otherwise divisions are dumb), so having a team in the East that's a million miles away defeats the whole purpose.

I'm not slamming PR or anything, I'm just saying it's really really far away.

cool！http://www.collegefun4u.com/track.php?u=4

They are installing new turf on CenturyLink Field in Seattle. Unfortunately the surface won't be natural grass.

http://seattlesportscentral.com/sounders-fc/century-link-gets-new-turf/

No surprise. Turf has a better life span than grass and does not die or need sun light to keep it green.

Instead, we get 20 or 30 replies of people arguing with trolls about stupid shit... It's beyond me why anyone would give a second thought to somebody whose sole intention is to bash anything America... It's like arguing with a drunk...I'm Guilty!!

I vow that from now on not matter what trash the trolls post I shall ignore it..I will stand on my word.

As a moderator of another forum I invite everyone to report the trolls by using this button on the bottom left of the post...http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/report.php?p=9288139)

This thread is about soccer stadiums in the USA & MLS...let's keep it like that!

Do we have anyone here that is in Montreal? The Impact's web site doesn't have any recent pictures of the construction at Saputo, and a quick search o' the ole web didn't reveal anything we haven't seen. Wonder if we could get someone to do a drive by?

Do we have anyone here that is in Montreal? The Impact's web site doesn't have any recent pictures of the construction at Saputo, and a quick search o' the ole web didn't reveal anything we haven't seen. Wonder if we could get someone to do a drive by?

They shut down construction for the winter and will continue in a few weeks I believe.

They shut down construction for the winter and will continue in a few weeks I believe.

So with that construction shutdown for the winter any idea when the stadium will be completed?

So with that construction shutdown for the winter any idea when the stadium will be completed?

It was a scheduled shut down so they're not falling behind. Just the realities of building in the bitter cold. It should still open in June.

It was a scheduled shut down so they're not falling behind. Just the realities of building in the bitter cold. It should still open in June.

Thanks.. and I should realize that.. I do live in Iowa. Although this winter has been very mild by Iowa standards.

MLS has divisions to help keep travel costs down (at least I hope that's why otherwise divisions are dumb)

I was about to say that's not the reason but I saw that they're changing the regular season format starting this year.

Teams play 3 games against each team in their own conference, and 1 against each in the other conference.

They also change to a better playoff format, 4/5 is a play-in game, conference semis and conference finals are aggregate, and the championship is one game.

Steps in the right direction.

when did Leroy first jump over the wall?
I was at the game and it was one section to our right - Raiders @ Packers, 1993-12-26 (Temp about -15C at the time):

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When asked about it after the game, he explained, essentially, that "Since they can't come down here to celebrate my score with us, I figured that I'd go up there to celebrate it with them!".

:cheers1:

Mike

I just want to point out that this should be a penalty. Should be flagged everytime and the NFL is alienating evry team in the league by not flagging it. Not cool NFL and Roger "I'm going to crack down on bad stuff" Goodell.

I just want to point out that this should be a penalty. Should be flagged everytime and the NFL is alienating evry team in the league by not flagging it. Not cool NFL and Roger "I'm going to crack down on bad stuff" Goodell.

Its actually a rule that 1 player can do a leap now, the chiefs last year got a penalty thrown when 2 players both did a leap after a touchdown, that's when I learned that it was an official rule.

I just want to point out that this should be a penalty. Should be flagged everytime and the NFL is alienating evry team in the league by not flagging it. Not cool NFL and Roger "I'm going to crack down on bad stuff" Goodell.

Come on man, the NFL is already known as the No Fun League, you really want to ban the Lambeau Leap? I hate the Packers and I think it's pretty cool.

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Come on man, the NFL is already known as the No Fun League, you really want to ban the Lambeau Leap? I hate the Packers and I think it's pretty cool.

I hate the Packers and hate that rule. if you tried it at any stadium in the league you would get flagged for it.

I don't go on Euro threads and bitch about how their refined designs and extravagent roofs are contributing to the European financial crisis and F-ing up my 401k.
You should do exactly this. I'd like to read about the connection between stadium roofs and a financial crisis.

which MLS stadiums would you describe at "brutalist"?
I wouldn't use this particular word to describe them. However, with the exception of Portland MLS stadia simply lack subtlety. They look unkind and charmless.

I wouldn't use this particular word to describe them. However, with the exception of Portland MLS stadia simply lack subtlety. They look unkind and charmless.

Welcome to modern architecture.

You should do exactly this. I'd like to read about the connection between stadium roofs and a financial crisis.


I wouldn't use this particular word to describe them. However, with the exception of Portland MLS stadia simply lack subtlety. They look unkind and charmless.

Are you kidding me?? I've seen a lot of stadia in Europe. With the exception of a few in Spain and the UK, most are very pedestrian and not inspiring.
You sound like just another of those legions of American haters/bashers from Europe...

Viva America!!!

Are you kidding me?? I've seen a lot of stadia in Europe. With the exception of a few in Spain and the UK, most are very pedestrian and not inspiring.
You sound like just another of those legions of American haters/bashers from Europe...

Viva America!!!

With the exception of a few like Seattle, Chicago, Dallas i also dislike most of the A. football stadiums.
And i also dislike american cars, food and most holywood movies. But that doesn't make me an american hater.

Viva earth!:banana::banana::banana:

Why is the average attendance in the Ekstraklasa(Top League(football/soccer)) so poor? Only 5200 a game.

http://www.worldfootball.net/zuschauer/pol-ekstraklasa-2010-2011/1/

The MLS attendance is 17,000 a game.

First, the Ekstraklasa has an average attendance of 8'500 according to the source you referred to. And then there are large differences in size and economic power between Poland on one side and the USA and Canada on the other.
The MLS places it franchises in cities which are big and rich enough to sustain a professional football team. Not a single Polish city fulfils the MLS criteria. Yet the Ekstraklasa attracts nearly 8'000 on average in a city as small as Kielce. That's 2/3 of the MLS attendances achieved in a vastly bigger city like Dallas. And the football club in Kielce will most likely still be around when some MLS franchise have already ceased to exist.

Are you kidding me?? I've seen a lot of stadia in Europe. With the exception of a few in Spain and the UK, most are very pedestrian and not inspiring.
You sound like just another of those legions of American haters/bashers from Europe...
If you could be bothered to read my post properly you wouldn't come to this conclusion.

First, the Ekstraklasa has an average attendance of 8'500 according to the source you referred to. And then there are large differences in size and economic power between Poland on one side and the USA and Canada on the other.
The MLS places it franchises in cities which are big and rich enough to sustain a professional football team. Not a single Polish city fulfils the MLS criteria. Yet the Ekstraklasa attracts nearly 8'000 on average in a city as small as Kielce. That's 2/3 of the MLS attendances achieved in a vastly bigger city like Dallas. And the football club in Kielce will most likely still be around when some MLS franchise have already ceased to exist.

Thank you so kindly for your answer. I had no idea of the population of those Polish cities.

Thanks again have a wonderful day!:)

If you could be bothered to read my post properly you wouldn't come to this conclusion.

Well, the same people that design European stadiums are the same people that design American stadiums...

POPULOUS (Kansas City based architectural design firm) designed:

Aviva Stadium
Emirates Stadium
Reebok Stadium
Wembley Stadium

That's just the tip of the iceberg... Many design firms from the States are used to consult or design Eurpoean stadiums... So when you complain about American stadiums lacking refinement, sophistication and finesse, remember that we all share the same vision... Hopefully, this is the last time we hear bullshit about one country being better than the other...

Well, the same people that design European stadiums are the same people that design American stadiums...

POPULOUS (Kansas City based architectural design firm) designed:

Aviva Stadium
Emirates Stadium
Reebok Stadium
Wembley Stadium

That's just the tip of the iceberg... Many design firms from the States are used to consult or design Eurpoean stadiums... So when you complain about American stadiums lacking refinement, sophistication and finesse, remember that we all share the same vision... Hopefully, this is the last time we hear bullshit about one country being better than the other...

...it wont be.

That's 2/3 of the MLS attendances achieved in a vastly bigger city like Dallas.

You could say that DFW isn't a big time soccer area (somewhat arguable) has something to do with that or you could say that being in the same area with a polarizing team such as the Dallas Cowboys (NOT arguable) has something to do with that.

But really, I think location is a big factor. Seriously, look at where Frisco is compared to Dallas, let alone the rest of the Metroplex.

http://www.funeraldecisions.com/content/Funeral-Homes-Frisco-Texas.gif

No one wants to drive all the way out there.

...it wont be.

A man can dream though... A man can dream...

Well, the same people that design European stadiums are the same people that design American stadiums...

POPULOUS (Kansas City based architectural design firm) designed:

Aviva Stadium
Emirates Stadium
Reebok Stadium
Wembley Stadium

That's just the tip of the iceberg... Many design firms from the States are used to consult or design Eurpoean stadiums... So when you complain about American stadiums lacking refinement, sophistication and finesse, remember that we all share the same vision... Hopefully, this is the last time we hear bullshit about one country being better than the other...
I'm not so sure that it were always the same people who designed numerous stadiums in different parts of the world. Populous arose from a merger of two companies from different countries and has still branches in London and Brisbane. One would think that the stadiums in Europe were mainly designed in the London branch rather than in Kansas City.

With the exception of a few like Seattle, Chicago, Dallas i also dislike most of the A. football stadiums.
And i also dislike american cars, food and most holywood movies. But that doesn't make me an american hater.

Viva earth!:banana::banana::banana:

Its amazing how easily people are trying to generalize the most diverse country on the planet. What exactly is american food?? Hotdogs,pizza,tacos??? I mean give me a break.All american cars?? Well ford is also made in england,fiat owns chrysler and honda,toyota,bmw,and mercedes as well as numerous other companies all have design and manufacturing plants in the states. Not really sure how you can define an "american" car in this global economy.As far as movies go, with the exception of bollywood and low budget art house films most big movies have some sort of tie to hollywood whether its apparent or not. I can honestly say I've been to or lived in almost every country in europe,south america,and a large amount of asia at one point and time for my career and for every drab american stadium you name I can name 2 for the country you attempt to compare it to.
Comparing mls stadiums to the the premier league or bundesliga is comparing apples to oranges. Theres many variables to stadium design in the US as well as around the world. These overgeneralizations have been refuted and explained numerous times without any real rebuttal. Lets have real conversations and not pissing contests.:ohno:

I'm not so sure that it were always the same people who designed numerous stadiums in different parts of the world. Populous arose from a merger of two companies from different countries and has still branches in London and Brisbane. One would think that the stadiums in Europe were mainly designed in the London branch rather than in Kansas City.

"Populous formerly operated as HOK Sport Venue Event, which was part of the [American] HOK Group. In January 2009, Populous was created through a management buyout, becoming independently owned and operated. It is reported to be one of the largest architecture firms in the world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous_(architects)

"Populous formerly operated as HOK Sport Venue Event, which was part of the [American] HOK Group. In January 2009, Populous was created through a management buyout, becoming independently owned and operated. It is reported to be one of the largest architecture firms in the world."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populous_(architects)

Read this article properly and you see that HOK merged with an Anglo-Australian company before that.

Its amazing how easily people are trying to generalize the most diverse country on the planet. What exactly is american food?? Hotdogs,pizza,tacos??? I mean give me a break.All american cars?? Well ford is also made in england,fiat owns chrysler and honda,toyota,bmw,and mercedes as well as numerous other companies all have design and manufacturing plants in the states. Not really sure how you can define an "american" car in this global economy.As far as movies go, with the exception of bollywood and low budget art house films most big movies have some sort of tie to hollywood whether its apparent or not. I can honestly say I've been to or lived in almost every country in europe,south america,and a large amount of asia at one point and time for my career and for every drab american stadium you name I can name 2 for the country you attempt to compare it to.
Comparing mls stadiums to the the premier league or bundesliga is comparing apples to oranges. Theres many variables to stadium design in the US as well as around the world. These overgeneralizations have been refuted and explained numerous times without any real rebuttal. Lets have real conversations and not pissing contests.:ohno:

An american car is a car build and designed in the USA with US-know-how from a company which is founded and lead from americans.
American food is surely not Pizza or Taco :lol:

companies like Mercedes or Toyota are surely NOT american. Surely they manufacture and adapt their cars for the US market but in fact every mercedes is invented and designed in Suttgart,germany and is sold around the world with some adaption to the market they sell.

Or do you consider Apple as a chinese company? no, not really

stadium is stadium, so it is more like comparing a strawberry to a blackberry.
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Seattle is the most popular club in the USA i guess with their great attendance. Do they have plans for an own football stadium?

Seattle is the most popular club in the USA i guess with their great attendance. Do they have plans for an own football stadium?

Do they need it. Their current one is a good size and has great atmosphere. Only problem is the turf.

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USWNT 2-1 New Zealand (Sold out venue: 20,667)

Goals:
Hannah Wilkinson 49' (NZ)
Alex Morgan 89',90+4' (USA)

Great performance by our girls to hold out the No.1 women's football team for most of the game, but the ref was utter shite. :mad2:

The ball did not cross the line after hitting the post, but the American referee strangely decided to give the goal. The winning goal was then scored after the allotted three minutes of stoppage time had passed, at precisely four and a half minutes. WTF!

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One complaint though. They need get rid of that concert stage and put a roof right around.

One complaint though. They need get rid of that concert stage and put a roof right around.

The roof thing is very old. There are hundreds of soccer grounds around the world that are uncovered.

It's one of those things that people tend to prefer what they are used to. Most in northern europe think grounds look better with a roof, while those in the south think grounds look better without one.


The stages tend to be less popular, even in the USA though. I know why they do it, but it's a shame they couldn't come up with a less compromising solution.

The roof thing is very old. There are hundreds of soccer grounds around the world that are uncovered.

It's one of those things that people tend to prefer what they are used to. Most in northern europe think grounds look better with a roof, while those in the south think grounds look better without one.


The stages tend to be less popular, even in the USA though. I know why they do it, but it's a shame they couldn't come up with a less compromising solution.

That's Pizza Hut Park (or FC Dallas Park? IDK) and they built that stage for concerts... obviously. I don't see that goin' away anytime soon.

I have seen some pretty good concerts there. It's a nice stadium for what we use it for.

The roof thing is very old. There are hundreds of soccer grounds around the world that are uncovered.

It's one of those things that people tend to prefer what they are used to. Most in northern europe think grounds look better with a roof, while those in the south think grounds look better without one.


The stages tend to be less popular, even in the USA though. I know why they do it, but it's a shame they couldn't come up with a less compromising solution.

Money probably. Here's Livestrong Sporting Park's stage. Normally that is covered by retractable seating. of course, LSP cost over $100 million more than the FC Dallas stadium.

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The stages tend to be less popular, even in the USA though. I know why they do it, but it's a shame they couldn't come up with a less compromising solution.

Agreed^^ , that stage is unsightly. I feel it could have been placed on a track and rolled in the stadium when need.

Do they need it. Their current one is a good size and has great atmosphere. Only problem is the turf.

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USWNT 2-1 New Zealand (Sold out venue: 20,667)

Goals:
Hannah Wilkinson 49' (NZ)
Alex Morgan 89',90+4' (USA)

Great performance by our girls to hold out the No.1 women's football team for most of the game, but the ref was utter shite. :mad2:

The ball did not cross the line after hitting the post, but the American referee strangely decided to give the goal. The winning goal was then scored after the allotted three minutes of stoppage time had passed, at precisely four and a half minutes. WTF!

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420109_10150513307686152_36237821151_8932434_456458774_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431468_10150513307786152_36237821151_8932436_548502120_n.jpg

One complaint though. They need get rid of that concert stage and put a roof right around.

So the USA Womens team sold out Pizza Hut Park.... awesome.... Still not a fan of the stadium design at all. A luxury of things to complain about.

Yeah its pretty utilitarian and the location seems less than ideal. But you get what you pay for, they didn't have a $200 million+ budget like KC or New York

Yeah its pretty utilitarian and the location seems less than ideal. But you get what you pay for, they didn't have a $200 million+ budget like KC or New York

I also believe Dallas city leaders didn't want it anywhere near downtown. Would have worked out better.

They had issues with Cowboys Stadium and hell, even getting the American Airlines Center was trouble.

As far as the design goes.... I honestly don't care.

the location seems less than ideal

It's god awful ! Its takes 45 minutes on a good day to make it up to Frisco. Throw in traffic/construction on Loop 12, 635, and the Dallas North Tollway and you're looking at least an hour drive.

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It's god awful ! Its takes 45 minutes on a good day to make it up to Frisco. Throw in traffic/construction on Loop 12, 635, and the Dallas North Tollway and you're looking at least an hour drive.

Yeah thats really shitty, I have only been to Dallas a couple times, so I can't really gauge the distance to various suburbs but an hour is awful even by Texas traffic standards (I've never seen anything quite like Houston in that respect but its a big city I guess). It takes me 15-30 minutes by mass transit to get from my house to any of the pro teams here, within 20 by car but we have everything within the downtowns.

I also believe Dallas city leaders didn't want it anywhere near downtown. Would have worked out better.

They had issues with Cowboys Stadium and hell, even getting the American Airlines Center was trouble.

As far as the design goes.... I honestly don't care.

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SATAN!!! Madam NO! She tried to shoot down the AAC and got the Cowboys Stadium shot down, but then had the road in front of her house re-paved 3 times (and only the 40 feet in front of her house!) Worst mayer EVER

SATAN!!! Madam NO! She tried to shoot down the AAC and got the Cowboys Stadium shot down, but then had the road in front of her house re-paved 3 times (and only the 40 feet in front of her house!) Worst mayer EVER

Yeah, I remember those days. She wasn't even mayor of our city and even we hated her.

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LOL, funny to see Madame No show up on an international forum. Can't really blame her though. This was all Lamar Hunt and several groups including Frisco ISD teaming up to move the team to an "emerging" market. Its like Houston building their new stadium in Conroe.

Lol. Texas politics. :P

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Had no idea who that was before today, but I'm already scared of her! Perfect shot the way her hair is casting shadow over just her eyes.

Lol. Texas politics. :P

Can't be any worse than Cali politics.

Besides, the Wicked Witch of the East (side of DFW) is gone.

Bad timing, because Dallas could have the soccer stadium closer to downtown. Would be much, MUCH better.

Whats the name of the woman ?

Whats the name of the woman ?

Laura Miller, one of the most disliked mayors in that city's history.

She's one of the primary reasons why the DALLAS Cowboys billion dollar stadium isn't in DALLAS County.

Laura Miller was the Mayor of Dallas in the early - mid 2000s. She ran on small project politics. Her usual cry was fix potholes first. She was a reporter before landing on the city council and was one of the most vocal critics of city and county politics. The Madame No nickname comes from her vocal opposition to the American Airlines Center, while being a staunch advocate for the cleanup of the former brownfield it and Victory Park now sit on. Often you'd see her on the local news making lots of noise, and loudly speaking, filibustering or even giving the silent treatment to then Mayor Ron Kirk, which really politically alienated her.

I think Cowboys Stadium being her fault as far as she goes is way overblown and is probably due to her political reputation more than anything. She as a mayor was put in a tough spot. You have to remember that Dallas County was the entity that was to fund half of the stadium through raising the hotel and rental car tax. She was actually on board with this until a couple of outside forces stepped in: Mary Kay and the Dallas Republican Party. Mary Kay has one of the largest annual conventions in the entire world at the Dallas Convention Center. Apparently this is the highest occupancy week of the year for Dallas hotels and throughout the entire Dallas metro and apparently its extravagent and people pay big money to be there. Well, they threatened to pull this if the stadium was built, which would raise the hotel and rental car tax. The county commissioners held fast with wanting the stadium over losing the convention. Jerry Jones wanted the vote to get on the ballot by that november so that it could get started and he could get in on the bidding for the 2011 or 2012 Superbowl. Knowing this create an unusually diverse voting populous at the polls, Dallas County Republicans along with Judge Margaret Kelleher began to delay council proceedings on the stadium. Part of that was to question the validity of turning the proposed sight from a Brownfield to one that could support such a large stadium. I remember John Wiley Price sitting with his head in his hands in frustration. With the deadline to get the stadium on the November ballot looming, The City of Dallas and Miller actually tried to save the deal. They knew they could get federal money for the Fair Park Master Plan, and could use emminent domain to strech Fair Park south enough to accomodate the new stadium and a revamped Fair Park. It was reported that all sides liked the new deal, including Mary Kay, but the last minute deal was usurped by Arlington, who Jerry had been dealing with for a couple of months. Regardless of politics, I still think if Jerry did not have to get on that november ballot and had delayed until March, the stadium would be sitting on the Trinity River, right now, just south of the I-35E bridge.

Columbus Crew sign shirt sponsorship with Barbasol:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/15/crew-partner-barbasol-new-jersey-sponsor

So do we start calling Crew Stadium the barber shop?

Columbus Crew sign shirt sponsorship with Barbasol:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/15/crew-partner-barbasol-new-jersey-sponsor

So do we start calling Crew Stadium the barber shop?

Get your Crew Cuts at the Barber Shop!

The pitch has been laid at Houston and seats are starting to be put in now.

http://i.imgur.com/NyqvX.jpg

nice

Get your Crew Cuts at the Barber Shop!
The Salon? ;)

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This could really work out. "Hey hon, I'm going to the Barber Shop. Be back in a few."

That Houston Dynamo stadium looks nice and steep. Congratulations with the new stadium to the fans of that club.:)
Is it room in this area to expand the stadium if need be in the future by bulding another tier on one of the long sides?

That Houston Dynamo stadium looks nice and steep. Congratulations with the new stadium to the fans of that club.:)
Is it room in this area to expand the stadium if need be in the future by bulding another tier on one of the long sides?

From the looks of it, they have enough room to ad a 2nd tier with (at the most) 17 rows... give or take.

^^Ok thanks
From what i've heard Houston Dynamo did draw well even in the old stadium they used so an expansion could be needed at some point as the MLS grows.

^^Ok thanks
From what i've heard Houston Dynamo did draw well even in the old stadium they used so an expansion could be needed at some point as the MLS grows.

They seriously needed to move out and have their own venue.

Roberston Stadium is used for college football (University of Houston Cougars) and it was outdated years ago. Beautiful architecture but very old. It's getting a renovation as well. But the Cougars and Dynamo need their own stadiums.

Although, the Dynamo will be sharing there's with another college's football team (Texas Southern University), but this time around, the Dynamo will be the "headliners".

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NYC really needs a soccer stadium, not in NJ :D

Some night shots of Dynamo Stadium (REFUSE to call it something else)

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Columbus Crew sign shirt sponsorship with Barbasol:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012/02/15/crew-partner-barbasol-new-jersey-sponsor

So do we start calling Crew Stadium the barber shop?

now if only they could update their stadium

It cost about a fifth of what most MLS stadiums now do. If they're sure of staying in Columbus, they'd be better off knocking it down and building something more substantial. It's basically a scaffolding stadium.

The location isn't great though, it's close to the OSU campus but not really walking distance and most of the focus in Columbus is downtown now, the new Clippers AAA baseball stadium got a prime location. In fact they weren't far off from the Crew's average last year.

Part of the issue with crew stadium is that it is located on land owned by the ohio expo center/state fairgrounds so it makes it very hard to do anything with the property. Lamar hunt built the stadium with his own money when ohio stadium went under renovation and taxpayers voted down a levy for a new hockey arena and soccer stadium. The crew definately have been dropping hints about wanting a new stadium recently and just came out with a study showing how much money the stadium and team brings to columbus.

The arena district really is the prime spot for a new stadium although it seems like any open areas in the vicinity have been developed or are in the process of being developed in the next couple of years with offices,apts,condos,etc. The brewery district still has a little bit of space near the whittier peninsula but that probably would be a no go considering the city has poured tons of money into creating parks with wetlands and a audubon society center. The most logical location would be next to italian village in the failed jeffrey place(condos, townhomes) site.Big empty space near downtown,short north and highways that was victim of 2008 crash and seems to be in limbo. Whatever the crew decide to do they should probably act sooner then later considering the prime locations seem to be getting developed and the current location is not optimal in the least.

The crew definately have been dropping hints about wanting a new stadium recently and just came out with a study showing how much money the stadium and team brings to columbus.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/mls/columbus_crew/

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/economic_impact_studies/

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Regarding The Compass: Is there any plans to add any sort of residential/retail aspect in the area? The Compass looks to sit in a pretty lonely area of downtown Houston.

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Shaping up quite amazingly,

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(From the Dynamo Facebook)

& part of the Convention Center Master Plan includes building a hotel on the Dynamo Stadium side of 59, so that could be in store for the future. Something that might also come to fruition is the EaDo Promenade directly in front of the stadium:

http://houston.culturemap.com/site_media/uploads/photos/2011-01-26/Eado_rendering_6.325w_244h.jpg

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Boy, this has really turned into "The Dynamo Sho" lately, hasn't it? :lol:

Boy, this has really turned into "The Dynamo Sho" lately, hasn't it? :lol:

San Jose finally got approval tonight for their stadium (http://www.mercurynews.com/earthquakes/ci_20024979). The city council told the NIMBY's to screw off.

A capacity crowd at San Jose City Hall's council chamber Wednesday night erupted into loud cheers and applause after the city's Planning Commission gave a unanimous and final green light to a long-awaited $60 million permanent home for the San Jose Earthquakes.

After three hours of public testimony, the commission voted 6 to 0 to uphold a soccer stadium permit that was appealed last month by neighbors in the area. Only commissioner Hope Cahan was absent.

"From the evidence I've seen, a lot of mitigation issues were taken by the applicant, and as someone said, 'If you can't put it here, where can you put it?' " said Commissioner Ed Abelite of the decision.

"They have made amazing concessions, beyond anything I have seen before in a stadium like this," echoed Commissioner Norman Kline.

The audience of about 330 mostly soccer fans had shown up to encourage the commission to reject an appeal by residents who live near the proposed soccer stadium and worry that it will adversely affect their everyday lives.

Those neighbors emphasized that they are not opposed to a stadium, they just want more protection.

"I'm very concerned about the impacts it will have, as currently permitted, on my quality of life," said John Urban, a member of the Newhall Neighborhood Association. He spoke on behalf of another neighbor who filed an appeal to delay the project's permit until further study could be done. Urban said the permit does not specify how noise from the stadium will be measured, monitored or enforced, and asked the commission to allow the planning department to reopen the project's environmental impact report to review that issue.

Of the dozens of fans who spoke in support of the stadium, however, several questioned how a stadium bounded by parking lots on the north, the airport on the east, a freeway to the south and a railroad to the west could affect neighbors.

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Bout time. Startin' to wonder about San Jose.

.... who's next?

Happy to see the San Jose stadium project go forth...for now.

It is difficult in California to build pro stadiums...the neighbors will always complain. Or some environmentalist will complain or some anti-tax guru will file a law suit against the stadium.

I lived in California for 26 years.

i think these stadiums are fantastic and clearly show the amazing growth of football in the US. they may not be massive goliath's the size of the emirates but when you compare them to the english equivalents (dw stadium, liberty stadium, britannia stadium, american express arena) they really do match up well. i've been following the mls on espn and i've got to say im pleasantly suprised. i definitely find it more entertaining than say for instance the dutch or portuguese leagues.

It is difficult in California to build pro stadiums ..

thats interesting. is it difficult tu built stadiums everywhere in the US? (I guess it is not.) where is it more or less difficult, depending on what?

thats interesting. is it difficult tu built stadiums everywhere in the US? (I guess it is not.) where is it more or less difficult, depending on what?

The funding is the stumbling block. If the majority of the funding is public money..stand by for a fight.. but still stadiums get built. Most of the MLS stadiums were built with a majority of private funds. Correct me if I'm incorrect.

Since 1989 .This is the approximate number of professional stadiums built in the US. Some teams share stadiums.

23 MLB stadiums have been built

21 NFL stadiums

40(?) NBA & NHL arenas..including Canada

12 MLS stadiums

Most MLS stadiums get public funding. Often the selling point is the gaggle of fields they build around the stadium that they use for youth tournaments and other things that they say is a "community asset." Off the top of my head, I know Dicks Sporting Goods Park, PPL Park, Pizza Hut Park, Jeld-Wen, Rio Tinto and Toyota Park all got public funding. Up in Canada, BC Place and BMO Field did too.

As popeye noted, the state of California does not help contribute to stadiums of any kind often. The Home Depot Center and now the Quakes Stadium are both entirely private. In other sports, the Chargers, Raiders, Sac Kings, A's and until their new stadium is done, 49ers, all had some of the worst venues in their respective leagues because the public wouldn't kick in on a new place.

In addition, California state environmental laws are among the toughest in the nation, adding to costs and results in some long, drawn out legal battles, although a new law that expedites the legal process on major projects should help.

I know this is not a right place to ask but can anyone tell me what is the average salary in soccer in USA, and
whether there is in soccer salary cap like in basketball?

I know this is not a right place to ask but can anyone tell me what is the average salary in soccer in USA, and
whether there is in football salary cap like in basketball?

Average is $154,000/yr
http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/m-l-s-salary-figures-released/


Very strict salary cap, but each team is allowed 3 "designated players" who they can pay whatever they please, but it only counts a certain amount towards the salary cap.

Most MLS stadiums get public funding. Often the selling point is the gaggle of fields they build around the stadium that they use for youth tournaments and other things that they say is a "community asset." Off the top of my head, I know Dicks Sporting Goods Park, PPL Park, Pizza Hut Park, Jeld-Wen, Rio Tinto and Toyota Park all got public funding. Up in Canada, BC Place and BMO Field did too.



I stand corrected! Thank you. only two of the new SSS are 100% fully privately funded.. Columbus Crew stadium and Home Depot center.

Here's an excellent link about MLS stadium funding.. a little dated, 2009, but still informative.

Overview of MLS Stadium Financing (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mls%20stadium%20funding&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.portlandonline.com%2Fomf%2Findex.cfm%3Fa%3D227940%26c%3D49495&ei=I_VGT6-1F8jOgAeF-6DbDQ&usg=AFQjCNE0hgqI9CsER8uRaePfXEijBNVGKQ&cad=rja)

The funding is the stumbling block. If the majority of the funding is public money..stand by for a fight.. but still stadiums get built. Most of the MLS stadiums were built with a majority of private funds. Correct me if I'm incorrect.

Since 1989 .This is the approximate number of professional stadiums built in the US. Some teams share stadiums.

23 MLB stadiums have been built

21 NFL stadiums

40(?) NBA & NHL arenas..including Canada

12 MLS stadiums

Out of all of those new stadiums only four are from California and out of those four only Petco Park in San Diego (for the baseball Padres) used public money. It is extremely difficult to use public funds in California for stadia.

Average is $154,000/yr
http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/m-l-s-salary-figures-released/


Very strict salary cap, but each team is allowed 3 "designated players" who they can pay whatever they please, but it only counts a certain amount towards the salary cap.

Tnx :cheers:

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Out of all of those new stadiums only four are from California and out of those four only Petco Park in San Diego (for the baseball Padres) used public money. It is extremely difficult to use public funds in California for stadia.

exactly!!..this is what happened during the construction of Petco Park.from wiki with my edit;

The ballpark was originally scheduled to open for the 2002 season; however, construction was temporarily suspended for legal and political reasons.(After being delayed for two years by 17 lawsuits and a federal investigation into Padres owner John Moores
stock dealings with a city councilwoman, $449 million Petco Park finally opened on April 8, 2004 with a game
between the Padres and San Francisco Giants. ) One portion of this was a court decision which nullified a ballot proposition which had already been passed (approving the city's portion of the stadium financing package), and required that the proposition be put to the voters a second time. Another delay resulted from the Western Metal Supply Co. building being declared a historic landmark, which prevented its demolition. After court hearings, it was determined that its landmark status only applies to the exterior facade, as it was supported entirely by panoramic photographs of the early San Diego skyline, and the building was renovated and included in the stadium design in an example of adaptive reuse.

The resulting delays required the Padres to play the 2002 and 2003 seasons at Qualcomm Stadium.

Petco has been used several times for soccer & rugby.

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A 2005 friendly match between Mexico and Sweden.

Out of all of those new stadiums only four are from California and out of those four only Petco Park in San Diego (for the baseball Padres) used public money. It is extremely difficult to use public funds in California for stadia.

Except for the Bay Area. It looks like Santa Clara is going to build the 49ers a new stadium regardless of all the protests, lawsuits and voter backlash. They are even trying to fast track the stadium to get ahead of the lawsuits. Check out www.fieldofschemes.com for the whole story.

Except for the Bay Area. It looks like Santa Clara is going to build the 49ers a new stadium regardless of all the protests, lawsuits and voter backlash. They are even trying to fast track the stadium to get ahead of the lawsuits. Check out www.fieldofschemes.com for the whole story.
Not true. Santa Clara is an exception to the rule. It is a small city with a HUGE tax base because of all of the HighTech companies located there, and the South Bay is starving for pro sports. The Earthquakes new stadium and, if it ever gets built, the A's new stadium will not require public funds. If they did, I doubt they would be approved.

Across the Bay, The University of California's renovation of its football stadium was held up for years because of local backlash. People were camping in the trees for months to protest the removal of the trees for the renovation and had to be forcibly removed. The city of Berkeley and some citizens groups spent millions in court trying to force the cancellation of projects. The delays, court battles, security for the protests added millions to the cost of the project. Luckily, the University stuck with and in the middle of the renovation process.

Not true. Santa Clara is an exception to the rule. It is a small city with a HUGE tax base because of all of the HighTech companies located there, and the South Bay is starving for pro sports. The Earthquakes new stadium and, if it ever gets built, the A's new stadium will not require public funds. If they did, I doubt they would be approved

Which part of my statement are you saying is not true? Santa Clara is providing almost a billion dollars of public money for the 49ers stadium.

Which part of my statement are you saying is not true? Santa Clara is providing almost a billion dollars of public money for the 49ers stadium.
The guy you were replying in you previous post said that is extremely difficult to use public funds for a stadium. You replied "except for the Bay Area", which is not true. It IS extremely difficult to use public funds

Like I said above, Santa Clara is an exception. They barely have over 100,000 residents, but they are home some of the biggest biggest companies in the Valley. Their tax base is HUGE relative the size of the city, so they can afford to do things other cities cannot/will not do.

The last stadium built in the Bay Area(AT&T) got ZERO public funds. The next two that are proposed after the 49ers stadium is built will be done with ZERO public funds(Earthquakes stadium and Cisco field), and would be a no go if the teams asked the public to contribute. This is more the norm.

thanks for your answer, popey.

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It is difficult in California to build pro stadiums...the neighbors will always complain.

Is it a specíal californian habit of neighbours to complain? would neighbours in, say, texas complain about a new stadium in their neighbourhood (noise, traffic).


is it because california is densely populated that much that you cannot place stadiums outsisde the cities, unlike texas, iowa or minnesota?

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Out of all of those new stadiums only four are from California and out of those four only Petco Park in San Diego (for the baseball Padres) used public money. It is extremely difficult to use public funds in California for stadia.

If I remember correctly, the San Diego Padres lease was about to expire, so they could have relocated without much of a fight AND they played in the World Series less than a month before the vote on the ballot measure to use public money for Petco. That definitely helped them get over the public funding hump. Not many other teams have had that kind of luck with timing.

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Is it a specíal californian habit of neighbours to complain? would neighbours in, say, texas complain about a new stadium in their neighbourhood (noise, traffic).

It's not really a California thing, no. In Tennessee there's a race track that was built in the middle of nowhere outside Nashville back in the 30s (I think it was) and now the suburbs have grown up around the track and complain about the noise even though the track was there first. It's probably going to be closed.

It's not really a California thing, no. In Tennessee there's a race track that was built in the middle of nowhere outside Nashville back in the 30s (I think it was) and now the suburbs have grown up around the track and complain about the noise even though the track was there first. It's probably going to be closed.

Same thing everywhere, the small airport I fly out of was in the middle of nowhere, then a subdivision was built right under the traffic pattern (the departure end, the LOUD end). Now they complain about the noise...From an airport....that's been there for 80 years, and they've been there for 5.

Whenever I have to re-do my night currency I like to to it an hour before SUNRISE, instead of an hour after sunset, just to piss them off. It wouldn't be so bad if the residents complained in a reasonable manner, but they don't, they make up lies. Things like taking pictures of our planes with telephoto lenses and claiming we're buzzing their houses.

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Anyone notice how the Hawks Nest scoreboard is all dismantled? Are they putting in a new video board up there?

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When I was a kid in Cincinnati Ohio Riverfront stadium was built starting in 1968. Even though it was constructed on the riverfront downtown there were complaints and protest prior to it's construction because some people felt it would be very noisy to build and operate and create more traffic congestion.. that was in the late 1960s!

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